I know that video games shouldn't be 100% realistic, but how can assassins specializing on long spears class possible work in dnd and pathfinder based games?
Spear is big weapon and you can't hide it easily
I know that video games shouldn't be 100% realistic, but how can assassins specializing on long spears class possible work in dnd and pathfinder ...
WotC is floundering. They will be dead by the end of the decade. As will Marvel and DC. Useless vestigial companies.
real question will be: who buys WOTC when it's a corpse? Can 2035+ bring about a renaissance?
In 2035 it's plausible that you could use GPT-6 or Llam-6 to write an entire D20 ruleset and Wizards will be completely dead.
If it's that good i suspect a lot more than wizards will be dead
Theoretically professional writers with AI should be able to produce way better than a layman using GPT-6. But Wizards is so far gone they'll only produce shit. The only reason why they're relevant is they're a mega corporation with millions of dollars to burn.
This is an excellent idea.
I'll write a new ruleset, and sourcebook with AI art.
It will have no wokeshit at all, and I can actually write and balance rules better so minimal reliance on chatbot if any.
I can't think of anything more emblematic of how pozzed D&D is now than the battle wheelchair and handicap accessible dungeons.
None of that shit would fly at my table, but I don’t dm alphabet freaks who would ask for it.
I'd roll with it but I'd house rules it as a disability and make sure ladders become an important part of the campaign.
>I don’t dm alphabet freaks who would ask for it.
You should, just so you could tell them to frick off.
Doesn't the battle wheelchair magically levitate up and down steps anyways?
Yes, if you're minmaxing it is more effectively to be disabled so you can use the wheelchair.
>It floats too!
>Why does it need wheels then?
>Hey expert sourcebook writer ever heard of Tenser's Floating Disk? I didn't think so posers.
the insistence of a literal wheelchair is so weird.
A disabled character carried around by living roots or something would actually be cool
for me it's the skeleton palanquin
So casting magic missiles is realistic, but having a wooden medieval wheelchair isn't?
Yes, because your leg problems can be unfricked with one Cleric spell. It's D&D, not Warhammer, magic is literally everywhere.
If we are going by what the OP posted which if PF2e that is a 7th level spell (regeneration) which requires a 13th level Cleric. Not unreasonable but most games end before that level and most towns aren't going to have one of that level. You'd have to specifically seek out a person to help you which good fricking luck moving around without a wheel chair or some other means of movement like a horse pulling a cart for you.
You literally cast Cure Wounds and move on.
Every snowflake that insists their "disability" requires higher level spell than basic b***h Cure Wounds gets killed off and Risen. Rise Dead is a 5th level spell and it also fixes your legs as a bonus, so frick you, special needs boy.
The issue here is almost a mental illness in being tortuous, but frankly, and ultimately, simply boils down to victim politics.
In victim politics, you are "better" (morally, as a person, as a concept) if you happen to be crippled. As you believe being crippled makes you inherently a better human in real life, you naturally want to roleplay a character that is morally better: i.e, one who is crippled.
But you don't want to roleplay the disabilities. You want to be morally better by roleplaying a character having disabilities, without having the disabilities.
Of course you never consider that having disabilities is actually crippling, and that it is something you would, as a character, want to immediately remove. Hell, spells to remove disabilities are downright offensive for a large section of the downright weird people who think like that.
And yes, that's an utterly weird, bizarre, and frankly moronic logic. When you twist your mind to the point of believing that people with defects are better than healthy people, and you want to roleplay those defects, but not roleplay defects (because that's gross), but not heal them (because that's offensive), just having them without having them. Because those defects make you strong.
These same people are the ones who support women's reproductive rights but oppose selecting DOWNs kids for abortion. But I guess it's not a contradiction at all, they just dont value human life unless it's as fricked up as they are.
The problem isn't wheelchairs existing it's that the person who needs it is an adventurer
>Can't afford anything better than a butter knife
>But own a mythical artefact, because reasons, don't question it
READ. THE. FRICKING. SHEETS.
It's not that it's a wheelchair, it's a wheelchair... designed to overcome ALL disadvantages of being in the chair entirely. It also confers many outright advantages to NOT being in the chair.
To the point the wheelchair might as well not even be a point everyone should would be better off getting one. Imagine you're DM'ing:
>I want to play as a character in a wheelchair
>Interesting, that might lead to some challenges, character progression and dynamics with the team.
>No, you see I've a magic super wheelchair thats filled with gadgets, gizmos and unique rules, that makes me medieval cripple Iron man. I can also modify it on the fly in tons of ways to overcome anyone being pissy at me for this shit too. So it's grief proofed by design.
>Get the frick out.
How about you read the source on the OP moron.
In a world with magic healing spells and potions, why are you crippled in the first place?
Because the annual income of a "modest" lifestyle commoner npc is only like 4gp
And yet you can afford a wheel chair that has hover capabilities?
Yes, the fricking homebrew item breaks the game's economy and balance.
But anon just said "a wooden wheelchair" and made no reference to the infamous homebrew item.
A wood wheelchair would not be a good adventuring item. Also I don't know if you've ever used a wooden vehicle but it's not very fun. Do you think pic related actually can travel in the dirt with the rider falling out? And you're doing combat in it? In real life if goblins attacked you in a field you couldn't even turn it in a circle without falling over.
Sure, but this isn't a commoner we're talking about anon. Don't be disingenuous.
go beg a cleric of a good deity for help
Maybe the cleric's god hates you because you're an unrepentant jerkwad
If you're enough of a c**t that a god literally refuses to fix your legs then it's probably time for some self-reflection
Fine, whatever, I am just going to hire a necromancer that's going to kill you and then clone you. It's not going to be pretty, but you're the stubborn one here, not me.
Seriously, there are so many ways to fix a cripple in D&D land, that you can only justify being a cripple if this is some kind of grand matyrdom statement.
It's like this ages old question of why the frick Barbara Gordon is still on that stupid wheelchair if she friends with Batman and Superman and has access to JL-tier tech and magic?
It's like being a fedora tipper in a setting when you KNOW there are Gods doing shit and an afterlife. Anybody who insists on it deserves whatever they get and more.
You can just insist they're not actually gods. There's nothing they can do about that really. One autist that insists enough can become some weird Buddha-tier butthole that just pops out of the planes. Most of the "gods" can't even do shit to people that don't believe in them.
>Most of the "gods" can't even do shit to people that don't believe in them.
Oh, they can. Because when you die, it would be a good idea to have at least SOME gods on your side. If you are an edgy fedora tipper, don't be surprised if the gods don't want to vouch for you after you die. And that means two things - getting fricked by demons of The Wall.
That's not how death works in Forgotten Realms. You don't automatically go to the Abyss if no one will take you.
It doesn't work like Abrahamic religions. Shit, even having a god on your side doesn't even guarantee you've punched a ticket straight for the celestial mount. If you were a homosexual edgelord nhilist you can still end up just plinking over to the Shadowfell even if you were a ardent Death Domain cleric.
You can have a interesting character who is so deterministic he doesn't want the help of any supernatural force and hates them but if he gets fricked up then he shouldn't have a get out of jail free card for fricking up, But you can't be a fedora tipper and still cast divine magic or some shit, there should be a downside for going against the grain in the immediate sense, some disadvantage.
Pic related
Isn't Forgotten Realms have liek dozen of Gods?
They all hate this guy and he hates them. They made him crippled, after all.
Or on that note maybe a more powerful evil god is keeping him crippled and the good god can't do anything about it
hoors go nuts for it
there is LITERALLY magic in the universe that regenerates broken or missing legs you braindead fricking moron.
Of course having a basic-as-frick wooden wheelchair is realistic, the point is that any player that wants one is trying to be a special snowflake in the worst possible way and forcing the logic of the world to bend to them in a manner that doesn't make sense. Imagine doing that in a party with a dedicated Cleric that can literally bless you and fix your moron legs then going "no thank you I prefer being a cripple that can't use ladders and making the DM cater to me"
That's be funny, a player specs hard into wheelchair-bound combat but the party cleric keeps forcefully rehealing their legs so they have to keep rebreaking them.
bet you think a ford mustang with powered steering and heated leather seats wouldn't be unreasonable either in a fantasy setting
its not about realism its that the coastal liberal motivation here is tangible. it wasnt about making something wacky and fun, it was about inclusivity
Yes, because the spell cure light wounds fricking exists.
Even if for some reason we're talking about a character with missing limbs or something and ignoring restoration/regeneration spells, there's so many ways for a literal cripple to still being an active participant without the magical diversity wheelchair because it's a world of fantasy and magic.
Does he have no legs but is a wizard?
Give the homie the tensers floating disc spell and a stick to push himself around on it, feather fall to make his ass easy to carry and toss around, or, you know, the fly spell to just make being a paraplegic a total moot point.
A blind character proficient in blind fighting with high skill levels in hearing and survival has so many advantages over people that rely solely on their sight (nearly everyone) that it's stupid as soon as you enter any cave, area of magical darkness or otherwise just dark area.
Maybe AI ain’t so bad after all
Magically retracting spears or a bag of holding to hold a normal spear.
you don't know about ancient wetwork do you anon?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge
Explain how this wetwork as opposed to war.
sneaky spear assassin
but yeah you are right but it just sounded cooler.
he's in in river in a dingy boat, most likely wet
maybe stop playing stupid games.
Absolutely fricking ridiculous. If she is going to insist on going into combat of that heavy ass looking wheechair, then why doesnt she just go all the way and put up some armor in the front? Dumb b***h would be the easiest target on the battlefield already, but if she encased her chair with armor, she;d be like a mini tank that could survive hits at least.
They boost the stats and abilities. Basically OP
She's a stealthy assassin who hunts powerful undead like vampire lords and liches, moron
Not frontline warrior
>hunting a lich in a fricking wheelchair
that's like fighting satan with a paperclip
>see lich lord
>start to roll chair for the sneak backstab
>chair creaks
>lich turns around
>kills her immediately
>doesnt bother to undead her to fight as his side because he didnt want a loud useless wheelchair assassin
She could make a good crawler zombie bro, no lich would pass up on that value
At that point just make a mini-tank.
Frickin south park had the right idea
Just put her on top of a horse and give her a mongolian bow ffs
surely if you're a cripple the best option would be to either
>stack traps on wheelchair and become batmobile
>turn it into a literal tank and provoke enemies
I don't get it. Why a wheelchair? This is a fantasy setting. A paraplegic character could ride on horseback. Or they could have a magic carpet, or a bugbear slave, or a chocobo, or enchanted spider legs. Why a fricking wheelchair?
Yeah I don't get it either.
They could make it a cool professor X hover chair or a MasterBlaster type.thing but it's just a fricking wheelchair
or cast Restoration
Restoration doesnt restore limbs in Pf2e which is where OPs source is from.
then cast regenerate. seventh level spell but based on the stats listed the campaign has gone on long enough that shoudln't be too hard to get.
Same reason in the real world: money. A chair is also way less difficult to move through a tight building in than a horse, not to mention getting on a horse when paralyzed from waste down would be a feat in itself.
In real life if you're an adventurer without functioning legs and you can't afford magical legs you retire.
Why? People keep spouting its a fantasy setting so whats the harm in fantastical wheel chairs? Its not unheard of even in video games so why are homosexuals here planting their feet when its in their stupid d20 games?
what's the benefit? why not have fantastical iron lungs? or stretchers? leg braces? maybe cerebral palsy or down syndrome can be a feat so you can be utterly useless in everything you do?
> taking the fighter class so that you can take as many mental disability feats as possible
Do I need to explain to you how people without functional legs in real life fair in fights?
>it turns out the thieves guild tunnels are 2 feet wide, your wheel chair doesn't fit nor do they have a ramp, roll a -10 penalty to stealth as your party attempts to carry you down the stairs
I'm going to pretend you are not being argumentative because you are stupid: Because it breaks immersion. It is stupid to imagine that an adventurer who has legs that do not function would be involved in traversing any manner of dangerous obstacles that would be difficult for someone with functioning legs. And if you were to argue somehow that these magical super amazing wheelchairs actually make you better at doing these things, then it would logically follow that everyone would use them. It makes no sense. It's obscenely obvious this was done solely to appeal to cripples as the most out-of-touch stupid marketing gimmick that has only served to degrade their product.
It's not even a marketing gimmick
It's not even designed by wotc
At best they said "hey look what our homebrew designers are making"
>Hey everyone, look at us COMPANY, look at what people are doing we want to amplify this and show it to all of you
That is what is called MARKETING, moron. They are doing that to appeal to a demographic. Stop posting, you are too stupid even for Ganker
Stop trying to rationalize mediocrity. A fricking wooden middle ages wheelchair is creative bankrupt concept, from the mind of a moron, approved by a room full of suits, for even bigger morons such as you.
Pathfinder has all other limb bullshit people keep spouting on about, what is so offensive about wheelchairs as an option? Its a fricking roleplaying game, anyone can have a character concept or need for one within a setting so why the frick is it so bad to have the option?
inb4 I get responses about the 5e chair.
For the same reason the book doesn't give you options for car customization: It doesn't fit the setting. It's moronic. If you defend this you are moronic, no exceptions.
Normally you control the speed of your horse with your legs. Not to mention actually staying on the horse. It's more than getting on or off.
you ever ridden a horse or a donkey or mule?
they are far more mobile than a chair
Found the homosexual who doesn't read Jojo
Didn't it take Johnny days to figure that out? I think that by definition would be "a feat in itself"
Johnny was already a horse rider to be fair. A professional even
A regular adventurer/warrior without horse experience suddenly becoming paralyzed would struggle
literally just "representation." that's it. i doubt anyone in a wheelchair asked for this either
If 'they' aren't an exact 1-to-1 replica of their characters, they can't immerse.
>Implying black people cry about this shit, and it isn't some white woman with 12 furbabies pushing for this stupidity because they have some fricked up guilt/savior complex.
black women cry too, the ones that power trip off those white women, at least
Why'd the boxart character's hair change to orange in the last panel?
Dev backpedalled a bit in an attempt to not offend anyone.
>This is how you got Starfield
anyone have that image of all the women complaining about some white character and the next panel all the men of different races saying "his literally me" to Goku SS?
Because it's fricking hilarious dude
In a campaign I was in 20 years back one of the other players characters lost an arm by using a double bladed sword with out the required feats and rolling two ones, he then got a Gut's like gauntlet, his first leg I cannot recall how he lost that one, then the other leg by falling into a gelatinous cube trap and us not getting him out before it ate most of it away, so we tied him to the back of the giant moron fighter.
We'd also spin him around on the ground to figure out which way to go at crossroads.
>We'd also spin him around on the ground to figure out which way to go at crossroads.
Ok anon you made me snicker
People aren't creative anymore.
Autists are known for having hyper-specific fixations.
You have to understand that for a vast majority of the people, these kinds of features are written for, DnD is not a hobby or game they use as a creative outlet for fun and socializing, but as a form of group therapy session and validation
On the contrary I don't think they even play or have groups at all
>be disabled in real life
>have to use a wheelchair
>play fantasy game where you can be anything you want to be
>pick the character in a wheelchair
I don't want to play as myself in an RPG. I hate myself, and nothing you or anyone else can say or do will convince me otherwise. Just give me fantasy, give me tradition, give me believability.
It's not what people in wheelchairs want, it's what woke white single women in their 30s and soon to be barren will feel good about when they see. Too bad they don't play table top, so really it's the woke white woman who works for the company to jerk off over.
Unironically, how did almost the entirety of Western media allow itself to be shitfricked by white women with liberal arts degrees? The only people I ever see pushing this diversity inclusion shit are white women, I don't even think the minority groups they claim to represent even ask for this shit to begin with.
>soon to be barren
you mean barren already.
It's so weird. Fantasy can be about wish-fulfillment, but wouldn't the wish of a person who can't walk simply being able to walk? Like, I have asthma IRL, but I don't want any of my character to have that obviously, because it fricking sucks.
Dying also sucks yet every action game has a death mechanic.
Dead people don't play games with death mechanics.
Living people want to play games with survival mechanics, so enjoy that asthma bar coming to Elder Scrolls 6.
people form their identities around their disabilities. many deaf people give other deaf people who have hearing repair surgery shit for it.
I won’t even give my game characters glasses lol even though my vision sucks
the idea that fantasy and any character creation in general is about making the "perfect" character and not one with interesting bits that may be detrimental to them is literally how a child makes characters
YOU VILL PLAY ZE CRIPPLE
Holy frick that's gold.
>they nod at me cripplely
always gets me
Ironic; Tim Curry is wheelchair bound now.
cause he had a stroke due to his homosexual lifestyle
think about it
>I know, I'm pretty good at roleplaying too
>I'm 42 in this game
>I'm 42 in real life too
>It ain't much of a difference I guess, it's like only a couple of months
>but I make it work
>have magick and shit that can cure anything
>even death
>but can not reconnect nerves to your spine
the only scenario where I can imagine is if the corporation that has the monopoly on white magic (more often than not the "Church of Light" or something like that) demands American tier prices for their service which forces her to go adventuring, since it's a dungeon based economy, it would not make sense lorewise to play that character.
regenerate is a 7th level spell but it does not have a component cost to cast it, it's just somatic and verbal. so when a cleric can cast it, they can just cast it for free whenever they want.
regenerate besides the usual you know, healing, restores destroyed organs and limbs.
so, damaged nerves would be healed.
Different side of the same coin as
>human male fighter
unimaginative homosexuals who cannot conceive as being anything other than their boring ass real life selves.
Human male fighter is the apex of creativity though.
Everyone will love and remember Conan of cimmeria or Kull of atlantis but nobody cares about glorfindel the gay elf assassin
These things are fricking awesome though. Why WOULDN'T you want one?
>wheelchair instead of a magical device or levitation
>magic carpet
>Darth maul claw legs
>wild wild west mechanical spider legs
>mentally deficient but hulking henchman to carry you around
>just using fricking levitation magic
i'd love a master blaster character but riding around on a moron would be considered a capital offence in the minds of sjws
Just have the Blaster character be a strong snarky bulldyke that gets paid to carry you around or something
Honestly this is my biggest gripe. Playing characters that are disadvantaged is relatively frequent, like people who make blind characters for the whole blind swordsman schtick but usually the disability is overcome through cool or esoteric means. This is just "this is me (in a wheelchair still) in a fantasy world!!!" b***h goblins are going to eat you
You homosexuals do understand that you start at level 1 and will probably lose a fight against a kitten, right?
the wheelchair is OP, it adds to AC and Speed without any penalties. there's also a couple of mods to the wheelchair that makes it even stronger. if you want to meta the game, it should have an entire party in wheelchairs
Just gave me an excellent idea
You guys aren't wrong but the image is from Paizo not WotC
I wouldn't be surprised to hear pf2e has an op wheelchair item too and actually made it official(the 5e wheelchair isn't an official item)
>Paizo not WotC
WotC started this. As usual Paizo only copies D&D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=ALHDJsNu4BU
>- It can move telepathically
>- Any spell that affects you also affects it (including lycanthropy), as well as any attunable magic item
>- It takes 3 critical hits to break or 3 80-foot falls in a day (time can be spent repairing it in a long rest)
>- It can hover
>- Your movement speed becomes 30 when on it
>- You have advantage on saving throws against being knocked prone.
>- for 550g you can add armor to the wheelchair and gain +2 AC
>made by a woman
thank you for affirming her gender anon
>- Any spell that affects you also affects it (including lycanthropy), as well as any attunable magic item
HE'S GOT THE HEART OF A CHAMPION
Is this a fricking joke?
they are a joke
Do they know there is at least 5 speels that could fix that handicap forever?
There is a potion that will make you regrow every lost limb. It's something easy to deal with.
Shit, we can cure death. It's fricking magic.
Reincarnate literally raceswaps your soul into a different body, does that come pre-crippled
When a clone is made of them do they have to pre-emptively break its spine while its gestating
The wheelchair is a cursed item
It gives ridiculous bonuses but the moment you sit in it, you can never regain use of your legs again outside of wish or miracle
there now it's interesting
I guess the spell you require to fix this shit depends on the damage the cripple suffered. Regenerate should be a surefire way to fix this shit but it's a 7th level spell so have fun coughing up the money to fix your legs as a newbie adventurer.
The whole wheelchair idea isn't bad as it can work with some characters like casters and shit. But for whatever reason the thing has zero downsides. Fricking why. Yes, yes, inclusiveness homosexualry and everything, but it's frankly just dumb that there is absolutely no fricking downside to it to the point where a non cripple is at an advantage when using one.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wotc didnt do shit.
A wotc designer made it up and just put it online
They havent put it in any unearthed arcana or the core expansion that came out since they showed this off. It's a glorified homebrew splat.
It's faux controversy, like getting mad at some redditor making a creature ststblock for pickle rick.
No anon you need to me insanely pissed about this homebrew content that has never been officially sanctioned. You NEED to be angry about it.
I feel bad for people, honestly. Not only is it some homebrew shit that I do not have to care about by default, I have a table of people who wouldn't try to foist this shit on any of us who happen to be DMing in the first place. I would obviously say no but 80% of /tg/ is nogames anyway so they probably have to settle for scraps when they get offered any.
Yes. No one should not be claiming it's official. It's nothing more than an insight into the mind, of certain people in the industry. A shining example of why some fricks, should GTFO.
However... people are missing the opportunity here, this COULD be shitposted into being accepted as official. IT COULD BE REAL...
Lord knows those fricks bend over backwards for the dumbest of shit when it's advocated under the usual socjus banners and buzzwords.
Anon, you are a few years late, this is from 5e
Name the book anon because it certainly doesn't show up in a 5etools search which I trust a lot more to be accurate than whatever shit you are selling.
nvm i forget where the real source is
https://www.dicebreaker.com/games/dungeons-and-dragons-5e/news/dnd-5e-combat-wheelchair-rules
Spoiler if you see who made it: EVERY SINGLE FRICKING GODDAMN TIME
The actions of Minecraft and FNV survival mode were a plague on the industry.
I'm not late, you're a fricking no games shitposter. I explained it when I said it wasn't official in that post and also here
The page only uses the same layout and fonts as the 5e PHB because the dumb c**t who made the pdf works st wotc.
The fact is there is no officially published combat wheelchair but the OP posted an official paizo illustration with a combat wheelchair.
>being this much of a homosexual to defend D&D and WOTC
>chair is overpowered and loaded to bear with magic bullshit that makes the wheels redundant
>keep them anyway because it's actually all about the wheelchair identity
What's the perspective on those wheels? Are they tilted like a sports car?
Wheelchairs used for paraplegic sports have slanted wheels like that.
>magical world where you can have literally anything work if you fit it in the rules
>player decides it would be fun for their character to have the same disability they have irl and the same method of transportation
>NOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT I GET TO DECIDE IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE YOUR CHARACTER ANYTHING YOU WANT!!
What causes this brainrot in /tg/anons
>disability
Only in games do disabilities become advantages. The wheelchair is op.
>player decides it would be fun for their character to have the same disability they have irl and the same method of transportation
Woah there gcj, what's up with this fanfiction you're writing with absolutely no basis in reality?
The problem is CURRENT DAY being forced upon me with the art. The fact you don't realize they're doing this for good boy points makes you a massive moron. They don't give a FRICK about people with disabilities and don't think otherwise.
>player decides it would be fun for their character to have the same disability they have irl
Who the frick thinks like this? I have tinnitus and I crave any opportunity to not have to think about it.
Well, you see it's not about you, it's about what a woke white woman thinks about you and she thinks you need to be represented so that she can get some twitter likes. Think of yourself like an accessory for slave owners.
I can see some sense in it. I assume once you are wheelchair bound your whole life revolves around it. And it's natural that people bring some part of their daily life into fantasy. Now what other anons rightfully note is that in fantasy, there are countless ways of not being a conventional bipedal human: levitation and other flight, carpets, being a centaur, walking on hands with flails tied to your legs, you name it.
Yeah anon? You play characters that are 5'4" and overweight like you too?
You just described dwarves.
Dwarves aren't fat you moron
> t. dwarf
ringggggggggggggggg
Frick you. Fricking dick. If I could walk I'd give you a curb party.
decides it would be fun for their character to have the same disability they have irl
literally no one who is disabled wants that
And we are free to mock it.
>player decides it would be fun for their character to have the same disability they have irl and the same method of transportation
I've known zero people who think like that.
Having a character be crippled or get crippled can be a cool concept but the GM has to provide obstacles for the character to find ways to overcome.
I don't think players with disabilities generally want to be reminded of the difficulties they face on a day to day basis in their characters.
I've certainly have never seen a player with disabilities ever say that this is what they've wanted.
TTRPGs have been around for over 50 years and it's only when white women jumped onto the bandwagon do we get stupid inclusive shit that nobody wanted or asked for.
>player decides it would be fun for their character to have the same disability
this is bait but i imagine the people who genuinely believe this think of disabilities like they're fricking accessories. it's absolutely BONKERS the minds of these people and i'm suppose to treat them like they're not mentally ill
Because it looks fricking moronic, that's why.
>defending self-inserting
I don't want to play as a fat sperg so i don't see why a cripple would want to play as a cripple.
I have asthma and I would never make a character that has it because I know how fricking shit it really is. My character would be the an charismatic acrobat at peak of athleticism because it's the opposite of what I am irl.
These fricking people fail to understand that fantasy is first and foremost a medium of escapism.
I played a grossly overweight bard with maxed charisma and a focus on diplomacy.
It was funny because on paper he was a repulsive fat ugly bastard, not to mention intensely sexist and generally an unpleasant braggart who did little other than aggrandize himself through song and stories. But his natural charm and way with words just made everyone like him despite himself and girls kept ending up on his dick, which I know annoyed two of the other players (married couple related to the GM).
He was also pretty lousy in a fight apart from the standard bard fare, but the way he could negotiate and talk the party out of literally anything made him indispensable since everyone else was a cool assassin tiefling or blind monk with zero people skills. I'd have him constantly run out of breath, fake having dizzy spells and excuse himself from entering fights to rest his legs.
And they couldn't do shit without fat shaming me by proxy.
All you did was make the NTR guy.
I had a surprisingly good time until he died to a poison dart in the ass cheek.
>fat
>high charisma
If I was DM i'd kick you out of the building
Why? Charisma isn't about good looks, it's about force of will.
No one respects fat people so they cannot force their will
it's not about respect.
you can force things easily if you're a fat hentai bastard.
Not in my game, hit the treadmill
good thing it's not your game twink, now bend over, i'm gonna ntr your girlfriend and make you mine.
Unfortunately for you, physical looks has zero bearings on anything whatsoever in d&d.
Yeah because D&D completely left the realm of plausibility. Charisma is a combination of appearance and likeability of personality. Yes, high charisma fat people exist but being fat should be considered a handicap as some people will instantly hate you for being fat. Not to mention it makes no sense to b a fat adventurer since you're basically active all day, are you chugging down ice cream on your fat ass?
>some people will instantly hate you for being fat.
Nope, doesn't happen in d&d.
No bigots at the table. I'm sorry but not sorry, you're going to have to leave.
The fact that people even defend the wheelchair or consider it is ridiculous. I fricking hate how society has gotten to the point where clearly moronic ideas are even entertained or discussed, much less acted upon.
>Be physically disabled irl
>Play as a physically disabled
Don't be both physically and mentally disabled
I'm a cripple and my favourite character to play is a lizardman urban druid.
I'm literally a Florida sewer crocodile that can also shapeshift into a giant racoon for scaling walls.
self-insert gays are so dumb
Your lack of empathy is remarkable, do let us know when they find your mother in the ruggble, Achmed.
Wheel-chair bound has been a Disadvantage in tabletop rpgs atleast since 1999 (pic related). The difference is that back then they just did it for variety, not to virtue signal.
The issue isn't including it, the issue is that it's now an advantage instead of a disadvantage. (The wheelchair is objectively better than walking.)
>using a 2-handed weapon in a wheelchair
Unless you can control that shit with your fricking mind explain how that's supposed to work.
>your disability is actually AMAZING
>that's why we're not even working on fixing it
Is that an unironic wheelchair? Are the people who make this on drugs?
They have the brain disease known as leftism.
World of Warcraft was a disaster for the genre. Since, every game pigeonholes classes into the healer-tank-dps framework. So yes, their "assassin" just means dps, and "stealth" means "while mobs are looking at the tank". Now, having a wheelchair user at hand and not making him a tank is a lost opportunity, but once the genre was appropriated by morons, there's no use in complaining.
When you have the DM deciding what monsters are going to do on their turn and who to attack, taunt-like mechanics don't work so "tanking" enemies works only so far. Healing in combat is also inefficient so healers aren't stuck doing one thing every turn.
They could focus on personal stealth until the last moments, where they suddenly jump out and murder the target and everyone who tries to stop them with an actual weapon. They could also focus on social stealth - since spear is a common weapon, they pretend to be someone who should have a spear to get close. They could also be less of a hitman assassins and more a hunter-killer team, where they focus on killing the high-value target on a battlefield without stealth.
>jump out
>since spear is a common weapon
Yeah, but not in the noble rooms or during dinner party
Also it's harder to stealthy unsheathe it
I know you're making shit up purely in bad faith to do the combat wheelchair thread, but unfortunately for you, I am an autist. In Pathfinder, there's a collapsible kumade that you can take apart. There's also the 4k glamered enchantment (though it would still have to be something of similar size, so no turning a spear into a dagger) but there's plenty of ways to be creative with that, as well as the +2 unseen enchantment from ultimate intrigue. I believe 3.5 has a potion/oil in complete scoundrel that can make items invisible. Doubt 5e has anything like this though.
Pretty sure Terry Pratchet wrote a character like this as a parody. Yet here it is, real and trying to be taken seriously.
Yes, the old ass barbarians if i am not mistaken
Cohen the barbarian and his geriatric friends
Yep Cohen the barbarian, where a bunch of OAP warriors go for one last adventure.
Was a surprisingly poetic veteran analogy
>Yet here it is, real and trying to be taken seriously.
The miniature includes a tactical rock with a downward slope. You can't make this shit up.
modern D&D is pathetic
Lower one looks like shit boomers and contrarians jerk off to
You say that while posting a literal Critical Role art.
Yes, because cherry picking shit art is easy
You are an idiot, and HRT doesn't make you a woman, just a sad clown.
Ok Boomer. You still lost and will never be happy.
I am pretty happy owning my own house. You wouldn't understand, minimum wage renter.
why is Kratos raiding ICC
based
but hickman had to apologize for posting this to the woke homosexuals that want to ruin every white men's hobby
Imagine a BBEG putting a wheelchair ramp on their fortress.
There are now official adventure/module books with dungeons that have ramps for wheelcairs
the candlekeep mysteries book or something
Which is funny because the battle wheelchair levitates at will, so it doesn't even need the ramp.
spears do not have the backstabber trait, thus the picture is clearly not meant to depict an assassin or an angel of vindication
where's my obese Black person with heart disease that dies from cardiac arrest in the first dungeon
i'd take him over the wheelchair guy
>massive bulk may function as a battering ram
>can btfo small enemies
>when he keels over just push him down the stairs/slope and he becomes a fleshy boulder destroying everything in his path
Holy shit you moron you know that weight is a huge liability right? Even a slight wrong move and he has a broken ankle. That fatass can't be a battering ram because his fatmass is actually a physical liability. He's slow, he's lumbering, he's not graceful. So in a fight you constantly circle him and he'll start wheezing within 1 minute and one behind the knee strike and it's over.
>He's slow, he's lumbering, he's not graceful.
he's an ogre?
You know being autistic is a huge liability, right?
Being autistic is +2 Int -2 Cha
>+2 Int
It's actually -2 to both INT and CHA.
more like +2 PER, +2DEX, -2 rest and -1000 pussy
so give him a crossbow and he's unbeatable?
He's too fat to stand long enough to aim it in a combat scenario.
heavy from tf2
The dude attacking center of mass with his bare hands on someone with that much of a size advantage is moronic. Get behind him and kick his legs.
Im more wondering now if its possible to just have someone roll around on a skateboard doing tricks to fight if there are wheelchairs. That should be possible if wheelchair combat is a thing.
>strapped to the chair
Still makes me laugh. I dont care about stuff like this because 99.9% of players just do not give a frick about it, and the half of the people that do will do it for fun.
>whole party is wheelchair bound
>Even basic movement like stairs is now an ordeal where people roll to see who fricking faceplants and who does a sick grind down the railing
>making wheelchairs OP instead of huge tittied Amazon warriors
Gay. Wheelchairs should be very weak to falling damage to compensate, at the bare minimum.
>fantasy OSHA shuts down a local lich for not having wheelchair access to his evil lair
>wheelchair
Why not roleplay as if you get mechanical prosthetics or an enchanted armor which allows you to move your legs like an exoskeleton? Why not making it a small floating dish type of thing? Anything but a fricking wheelchair
Because all of that shit is extremely expensive rules as written and most DMs are allergic to fun or have been burned before by people asking something that seems harmless and for character flavor.
Literally magic. Spears can be invisible weapons or homing weapons or maybe the character is built around using paralysis poisons or initiative and haste to be able to perform several actions before the enemy even gets a turn.
>wheelchair assassins are ridiculous
wow it's like no one's read Infinite Jest
Because realism is just arrogance
Fricking finally, at least you get it. I hope you are a creative.
It can levitate
no it cant
according to the rules
it can, it also can move on its own when controlled telepathically by the player
none of that is true.
cope
>lose argument
>use buzzwords
i accept your concession
I dunno about the pathfinder one but the 5e one does all that shit. But it's also homebrew. Don't know why people are surprised that homebrew shit is broken.
The wheelchair in 5e has such a ridiculous set of extended rules and enhancements that it's literally best-in-slot even for normal characters
You also won't find it in any DnD book
Sorry bro, but this 20gp wheelchair can levitate (yes, really). Expecting disabled people to deal with disabled problems is ableist.
Goodluck "out-RUNNING" a Dracolich in a fricking wheelchair.
There is a reason why people say 3.5 is peak D&D and anything else afterwards is pure liquid shit.
>All these people freaking out about WoTC
>OP picture isn't even D&D
>OP is about some irrelevant question.
Top tier bait thread, as always Ganker falls for it. You homosexuals are the reason this site went to shit.
>Spear is big weapon and you can't hide it easily
Just buy a foldable spear, it's more convenient
at that point just buy a foldable crossbow and kill them from a distance
>angel of vindication
Why god don't heal his angels?
ITT: BG3gays are now defending WotC.
>to aid in your mission of destroying undead, you've specialized in techniques to destroy them
Great writing.
This is a litmus test.
When you see this kind of stuff in your male nerd hobby, the first thing what you should think about and feel is the same thing what your opinion should be on female police officers.
You most likely failed test btw.
I'm supposed to want a wheelchair to handcuff me and give me a cavity search?
Yeah, I'm not seeing the correlation.
You know, I wouldn't mind this if WotC had been funny and included rules for wheelchair jousting.
Wotc didn't even write it
They actually put an adventurer in a wheelchair? Good lord.
>playing game like FnD with frens
>all make normal characthers
>make my dwarf fat and muscular, weights a lot
>DM fricks me the entire session with fat checks or being unable to dodge properly
>of course he doesnt upgrade my armor or hit benefits, just handicaps
>complain later about it, telling he doesnt fricked the rest of players
>he gets mad
I mean, it was my "fault", but no one of other players got twink-checks or something.
>the wind blows strongly
>twink, do a Athletics check or get prone
i would've laugh
>Be gamemaster
>fat annoying girl in group creates a wheelchair character
>intentionally put group in settings that have rocky areas and muddied dirt roads that makes it impossible for a wheelchair to move in
>group enters BB dungeon
>is filled with stairs
Devilish.
pretty sure it can float
so you gotta add anti magic fields and extra high gravity and shit
Wrong direction. If you wanna frick with these kinds of players/designers for this shit. You monkeys paw wish it. Give them what they want, but twist it in a way that they CANNOT complain about. Embrace it with too much enthusiasm.
So, if one player is a special cripple with an iron man chair? You're ALL playing disabled characters using them. The most inclusive campaign of all.
They can tweak this shit til the cows come home to prevent a DM or players from griefing them, but nothing will stop that outright overt fiat and rulings like "if you're not actually disabled IRL you can't use it"
At that point why would you want to play a campaign like that anyways or with those people?
Honestly, a dnd world where everyone deliberately crippled themselves because the battlechair is better sounds kino worldbuilding
>Groups of bandits targeting cripples for their valuable wheelchairs
No because even the bandits would be from those societies once and thus, have the wheelchairs
There may be talks of deranged mutants and cultists who believe in outdated heresy. Their minds are rotten from all the manual labor they have forced upon themselves. Their delusions ironically gave them a superiority complex, in achieving what we can do without our craft, even though your chair can do so much more.
We call them....."Walkers"
You see one of those Walkers anon? Roll. Roll away as fast as you can.
> You come across the "shambling walkers!"
> Cool so they're like undead zombie abominations falling apart while they advance towards you seeking the flesh of the living?
> No, they're just weirdo's that insist on using ther legs like suckers. Imagine NOT being crippled and having these sweet fricking chairs.
Hey, I'm not gonna lie. I'd love to be the DM of a campaign of several "combat wheelchair enthusiasts" taking the fricking piss for fun.
Add a special rule that they can all combine in dire situations to form a fricking super mecha crippletron.
>The largest plot twist of the campaign has arrived lads, the big bad... has an advanced prototype combat wheelchair too. As do his generals. They can combine into their own prototype advanced crippletron as well. Let battle commence!
>Cripplebots! Roll(out) for initiative!
I want to be the face for that party. I will play the trans in which constant operations and aggressively dictating pronoun use (it will be like an on demand spell) make me more charismatic.
>Xerkshes, why don't you just get a belt of gender change
>No, this is my identity, it isn't wise to stand against me when I would gladly castrate any one of my own men for victory.
You jest, but I have literally stumbled upon a "genderfluid" player who was OBVIOUSLY rolling a tiefling. And the character's "fun" gimmick was that he/she/it changes pronouns every few sentences. And players were obligated to keep up with it. I managed to nope out of that game as soon as I could, but as my friend later told me, apparently the rest of the players were miserable throughout the whole game, because the fricker kept slowing the game to a crawl explaining loudly to everyone why his character is feeling like a she/her now.
MAKE MY CRIPPLE GROW
>Defeat the Big bad. His prototype super mecha cripplebot falls apart, his generals disintegrate.
>Thrown from his combat wheelchair he rests for a moment and then... STANDS UP!
>Het's not even a cripple! turns out he was mind controlled into being evil, the true big bad still eludes us and must be stopped.
>New guy is pretty chill for a non cripple, turns out he's a bard. Has a cool dragon flute with a blade on it, can summon his combat wheelchair in a pinch.
> Figure even if he's not a cripple, nobody's perfect and he wants to frick up the real big bad for manipulating him
>Joins as the sixth member of your party.
>DnD world
>but everyone is in a mini tank
>including the monsters
lol
the wheelchair moves faster than a normal person
it's also stealthier
it's immune to all difficult terrain, goes just as fast uphill as on flat terrain and double downhill
This has got to be the most absurd attempt at 'reasonable accommodation' I have ever seen in any medium. A cripple in the middle ages was left out to die, end of story. It was bullshit when Game of Thrones did it, but at least they had people dying just to carry Bran's gimp ass around Westeros to show how helpless he really was.
I mean a noble would be accomodated, but to the extent of being able to live not go on adventures
Maybe, but even in GoT most of the other nobles openly stated they believed it would have been best to just let him die from the fall. It's a lot of work to accommodate a cripple even now. Back then, when basic survival wasn't guaranteed for anyone, it would next to impossible for someone with his level of infirmity.
Bran is a noble. You would leave your child to die if you literally couldn't afford to accommodate them.
lmfao
Something is seriously wrong with leftoids.
This is what happens when no one has the courage to rein in the bs of the most radical fringe. It's why California is the way it is. Without any opposing viewpoints to hit the brakes, the train just keeps gathering speed
Angel of validation
a combat wheelchair shouldn't be so bulky. probably make it foldable too.
that's a fricking landship, not a chair, you're party is going to tell you to go frick yourself the minute stairs show up or you're going to get stuck in a too narrow doorway
or just make it magic
I've seen this shit so many times and it never gets old.
How does she move and fight at the same time?
Multiclassed a wizard level to use unseen servant to push the chair for her
>party has to infiltrate a castle by using the secret tunnel in the mountain caves below
>tunnels are so tight you have to stand upright and squeeze the air out of your lungs to pass the narrowest parts
now what?
Scroll of Gaseous Form
All this shit just reminds of the Horsewoman doing this shit better in a DC comic over a decade ago.
>Crippled from the waist down
>Rides horses everywhere and controls them with magic
>Has a magic saddle to swap to new horse if the one under her gets killed
from the waist down
horses everywhere and controls them with magic
Uh huh, sure, that's fine.
>>Has a magic saddle to swap to new horse if the one under her gets killed
LOL
Yeah it's great.
Hmm, that's really stupid!
>horsewoman
YJK
I never played DnD, but I think it'd be funny to make my character colorblind like me and see what kind of shit it gets him into
>can't tell a blue mushroom from a purple one, end up eating the poisonous one
>meet a merchant that sells enchanted gems, accidentally buy the noxious brown ones instead of the fire red ones
Wouldn't the wheelchair seriously restrict your movement with a spear?
BEHOLD, THE ULTIMATE OBSTACLE
OH. SHI-
>use my magic bullshit chair to levitate up the stairs 30ft per round without limit
If you just put stairs under your wheelchair (2 steps) couldn't you just fly without limit?
It depends on how scared the DM is to call out, the most likely IRL wheelchair bound player. Remember this was designed purely to put people into positions where they're being "bigots" if they in any way resist. That's why so much of it is modifiable with hyper convenient tweaks to get around them. But they're not STANDARD.
Party is refusing to bend over backwards to overcome any limitations that you CHOOSING to be a character in a wheelchair might incur?
Well look! here's an optional modification to overcome that.
So, you get to expose the horrible shittiness of your party and make them look bad, then you simply overcome it with an easy fix. It's a win/win situation. If you're a narcissistic fricking shitheel.
You throw the spears with super strength and run away after impaling your victim from afar.
>Decide to join a DnD group in the middle of a campaign
>Roll a human bard, gonna hit people with my lute
>Meet the rest of the party
> It's 3 sorceresses in fricking armored wheelchairs
>Apperently me and the cripple brigade is out hunting a group of half-orc marauders
>We come to the marauder's camp and I say we should sneak around and gather some intel
>As one the cripple brigade takes to the sky
>Flying armored wheelchairs
>Cripple brigade casts down death upon the helpless marauders
>Apparently fireball wands strapped to the wheelchair counts as a bonus action
>Entire camp is wiped out in a few rounds
That day I was the real cripple.
I thought up this party the instant I saw all that shit loaded on a 10gp magic item.
>t. minmax guy
Reminder every single time combat wheelchairs get posted that in pathfinder it is literally the optimal way to play and every single character would become stronger if given a wheelchair because of the rules of the wheelchairs themselves.
Imagine the one cripple in the group showing up and making an orc barbarian because he wants to escape reality for a bit only to have every single one of his friends powergaming in indestructible wheelchairs that make you immune to tons of shit and has no actual downside.
Really why stop there, why not just be the evil gnome mechanomancer and break the legs of your entire nation, replacing them with Wheelchair Warriors.
You could be a scourge to rival the Red Wizards of Thay at 1/10th the usual costs of running an empire.
Imagine having sex with a crippled girl
>roll character
>Full dex monk
>Have him in a wheelchair
>Watch as the DM has to describe how i step of the wind my way up a building to punch a guy
>make roleplaying game where your whole party can be disabled rolling around in combat wheelchairs
>100+ hours in right before the final boss
>a flight of stairs
no legs, no ending
Why is the proportions and angles all fricked up like that? It looks photoshopped to death. The shit in front of her legs, presumably straps, are completely straight over the legs like they're flat.
Her fricking feet are twice as large as her hands, the head is far too high up for the shoulders. One wheel is on crooked and the other isn't, and why the frick would an feudal fantasy wheelchair have slanted handicap sports wheels anyway? And how the frick is she holding that spear. Look at the left leg, there's a light brown inner seating that extends beyond the top of the sides, but not on the opposite side, which is also drawn far too much to the right.
THIS DRAWING FRICKING SUCKS SO GODDAMN BAD.
WHOEVER MADE THIS SHOULD BE HUNG UP AND BEATEN.
I honestly do not understand anyone who plays a tabletop rpg with anyone other than their personal friends. Do people really end up at tables with total strangers that try to pull shit like battle wheelchairs and medieval lgbt shenanigans?
People who dont have friends, or the only friends they have play dnd with a larger group who have these people
Sounds abysmal. I feel bad for those sorts.
I don't understand that either. How is removing things an issue or even possible? It's not like a video game where everyone gets the most recent patch or even a competitive tabletop game like Warhammer. Just play the version with the shit you want in it.
>just play the stagnant 10 year old ruleset
Oh okay, just like I should just play old games too and never anything new? GREAT ADVICE!
At the end of the day its a game of rolling dice and referencing numbers on a sheet of paper. The rules are as malleable as your imagination. How can you "remove" Drow when they are just another Elf race with slightly altered stats. Put them back in if you want.
I'll just not buy the new ruleset and mock your company as it slowly makes less and less money every year.
Because DND is filled with RAWtists, it's why Tg/'s no 1 advice is "Have you tried something other than DND?"
It's overblown
They are just saying to DM's
"Hey, you can make a society of drow that aren't evil" but obviously the generic lolth worshiper ones still are.
And the other shit is just giving stat flexibility and flexibility to cultural background in character creation.
RAW the book says the DM is the final arbiter for setting decisions in their world. If they want to make neutral aligned goblins they can. Any "rawtist" shit about the statistics of creatures themselves and not the tactical rules is bullshit and no DM should put up with it.
Now this, and removing the space monkey backstory as being uplifted slaves? Both of those things are actual nonsense.
Nope, still moronic, the point of Drow is they're a fallen race controlled by a cruel maternal deity. Again, this all stems from le edgy "I want to be a demon with a heart of gold" and "I want to be a secretly evil angel".
>"Hey, you can make a society of drow that aren't evil"
And the joke is - Eilistraee's been a thing since the 90's. It just so happens that all those shitheads that cry on twitter (or X) about always chaotic evil drow being racist know frick all about D&D lore.
And to be fair, WotC had it coming when they were trying to get rid of Eilistraee by any means necessary. Their petty plan backfired spectaculatly.
Yes, it was perfectly fine then, you stupid ADHD zoomer.
If you're so fine with old things why do you insist on posting on Ganker?
I was here before you were born, you pathetic moron. Frick off to tiktok or do some tidepod challenges.
I seriously doubt you were here when I was posting on /b/ in 2005 you pathetic Zoomer that runs defense for Wizards of the Coast.
Reread the reply chain because you either misread or are hallucinating stuff, moron.
Yes. Unironically return to 3.5.
I have an irrational hatred of 3.5. I literally memorized the grapple rules like I was studying for a test when I was a teenager, and I could still recite that fricking bullshit to you to this day. Honestly let 3.5 die and just play Pathfinder instead, it does everything 3rd did but better for obvious reasons.
literally yes
create your own new modules and classes like I do
Ttrpg enthusiasts have a large demographic of friendless metagame autists
The problem is this is a festering cancer that is ruining the game, they're removing witches, goblins, orcs, alignment systems, drow, etc and making the whole setting shit. Even now, they're making the RP elements worse and catering to people who don't even want to play a dice rolling game, just people who want to LARP around a table.
>They're removing goblins, orcs and drow
Bullshit, they are just making it so that nothing playable is a inherent evil. That and getting rid of racial stat bonuses altogether.
The alignment system i never cared for, it was always misinterpreted jank.
The witches and wizards thing is just removing the nomenclature.
Besides obvious virtue signaling in desperation, they are doing this so the RAWtists have to suck it up.
I'll just not play your new ruleset, thanks! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Jokes aside, WotC is literally removing half-elves from the game, because Jeremy Crawford finds them racist. Nobody can follow WotC's exact logic, but everybody just assumed that WotC is so woke, they broke the scale and became racist instead.
>To prove we are not racist, we are removing the concept of mixed
????
Man has clearly been too near the elf porn
How do you defeat this?
>don't know about wall running
>2 charges
Sounds expensive if you ever want to go up more than a couple of stairs
I am pretty sure that WotC wheelchair can cast Levitate at will, because sure.
You're not fricking climbing, though, you're rolling.
Why would that spell even work on an inanimate object when said object does not have the capability to climb?
The chairs can levitate.
I'm not kidding.
Basically ANYTHING you come up with to stop the chair, it has a built in kindergarten-tier "ACTUALLY that can't hurt me because -" response for.
If your crip character wasn't a Mary Sue the moment you made it, it sure as frick is once it had the invincible chair.
>Use the already existing optional book of rule about perks and handicaps
>Make your character blind, paraplegic and about to die
>Make it start in a big city
>Go to the good aligned church and beg a lvl 10 priest to cure all that with only one speel
>12 free advantages points to spend.
But sure, a wheel chair with wheels is a reasonable option.
collapsible spear
invisible spear
spear is held in a portal or something and you can pull it out readily
imagine how broken those already broken legs will be when those straps keep her legs pinned while the rest of her is pulled off by orcs ready to rape
>if you have this, then then enemy can't do this, for example using this, unless it's this, or this, or this
PIKES
If you can hide it at all, it works I'd imagine.Its not the most efficient weapon by any stretch of the imagination and frankly it seems like it'd be more trouble than its worth in most scenarios, but I feel like its the same as a sniper rifle essentially.
Sure, the weapon is huge and unwieldy, but if you can disassemble it to hide it, then I suppose it'd allow you to attack from angles that might otherwise be inaccessible. That said, I can't think of literally any scenario that the spear would be better than using literally any other method of assassination.
Disguised as a guardsman.
When the target walks by you stab them with the spear since you are already holding it. No one has time to react because no one expects one of the guards to do it, it's already too late now.
By that same notion you could just do an Assasin's Creed move and just shank them when they walk through a crowd and keep moving, snipe them from afar, or do a ridiculous contraption that falls on them.
I mean the guard position isn't bad, but I feel like killing someone in public and with enough range to use the pole arm would kinda implicate you REALLY fast.
Being an assassin doesn't necessarily mean you were stealthy it just means you killed a high profile target outside the normal rules of engagement.
While true, I imagine most assassins want to live past the initial act and not be caught.
>wheelchair has counter to everything that sucks about wheelchairs
I don't know much about DnD but wouldn't it make more sense to give it pros and cons, then add some unique benefits to even it out? Like
>can move on dangerous tiles
>needs to be carried to go up stairs
>more spell casts because sitting is less taxing
>lower movement speed and can barely move at all on rough terrain
>chair has separate health and requires dex to be healed
>any class can fix it
It's not about making interesting things anon
God, I hate PF2E
>A lich, a master of undeath, is unable to regenerate a body, because the skeleton it created to act as a tenporary vessel
to hold a miniscule fraction of what the lich was is destroyed by a person with a 4th level feat, despite the corpse it destroyed having next-to-no involvement in the Lich's process of returning to life.
>Also if the Undead fails it's save by more than 5, it is immediately destroyed
>Any attack that strikes the wheels will result in a crippical hit
DnD has clerics in every settlement and city capable of casting restoration for a price. If you can afford a combat wheelchair you could have definitely afforded curing your disability instead. I can't imagine any handicapped players would actually want to roleplay as someone in a chair anyway. Escapism is the entire point of roleplaying games.
If you are an adventurer, you most likely have free access to basic b***h healing magic that cures the disability in a heartbeat.
Depends on the severity of it. In DnD rules I think permanent or semi permanent effects need restoration specifically. Not sure if crippled is lesser, regular, or greater but either way any decent cleric will do it for a price.
>in every settlement and city capable of casting restoration for a price
not really
restoration is a fairly high level spell all things considered, you'd need to get to a fairly high religious location to get a cleric capable of casting it, and getting them to cast it is out of the price range for most people
that said you're right about the handicapped people
You actually can't because the busted ass homebrew item costs at least 10x less than cleric services
What is this obsession with turning ugliness into the new standard of beauty and handicaps into something to be proud of?
You shouldn't be proud of being a cripple, being proud of being defective. That's just fricked up on every level imaginable.
You could be proud of overcoming your handicap, or proud of at least managing it so that you don't need help or pity. But framing it as if it's an active choice you made and that you're spectacular and unique for it, must be extremely psychologically traumatizing the moment the facade breaks even a little under scrutiny.
Imagine being proud of autism, or having Downs. Next everyone will be proud of everything. Proud of your micropenis, proud of balding.
It's just fricked up. There's absolutely nothing in the world you should be proud of unless it is a result of hard work and effort.
That's the whole point, it's a trophy for existing.
It's Satanic. It's inversion of reality. Bad Is good; ugly Is beautiful, useless Is useful; a man is a woman; etc.
>13. Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) or otherwise inferior. The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with their problems.
>15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. [...] Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.
>17. Art forms that appeal to modern leftish intellectuals tend to focus on sordidness, defeat and despair, or else they take an orgiastic tone, throwing off rational control as if there were no hope of accomplishing anything through rational calculation and all that was left was to immerse oneself in the sensations of the moment.
>19. The leftist is not typically the kind of person whose feelings of inferiority make him a braggart, an egotist, a bully, a self-promoter, a ruthless competitor. This kind of person has not wholly lost faith in himself. He has a deficit in his sense of power and self-worth, but he can still conceive of himself as having the capacity to be strong, and his efforts to make himself strong produce his unpleasant behavior. [1] But the leftist is too far gone for that. His feelings of inferiority are so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as individually strong and valuable. Hence the collectivism of the leftist. He can feel strong only as a member of a large organization or a mass movement with which he identifies himself.
You know, it's almost as if movies and games were used to brainwash the population, to make them think in a way that would make it impossible for them to hurt corporate interests.
reminds me of deaf people. lots of them refuse to read closed captioning (there's nothing wrong with them, they just know a visual language, show the ASL interpreter or you're a bigot) or get their fricking children cured of deafness (it's not a disability, why cure them)? it's kinda maddening. i mean, i understand that you're probably not going to cope well with getting one shot at life and not having one of the most appreciated senses, but frick, don't project your cope on society.
I saw some shit about a deaf couple being denied the right to have their daughters eardrums pierced, because they felt it would be easier for her and them if she was also deaf. I'm not sure about the voracity of it or if it was some The Sun type shit but knowing the world we live in now the most surprising thing isn't if it's true, it is that the doctors didn't just make the girl deaf.
So THAT's why there's a fat woman doing jutsus on the side of the screen these days.
You know, next time some snowflake tries to pull the combat wheelchair on me, I will force a high level healer onto him that cures him of his disability free of charge.
I legit wonder what would happen next? Would the guy just pout the whole session that I've "ruined" his character or would he try to cripple himself again?
Alternative: Give them a rival npc who's a way more successful an adventurer and has an even better wheelchair. Maybe escalate the rival's handicap, make them a quadriplegic, give then hook hands, make them a mute with a chalk and slate.
Somehow always have them one up the pc in terms of deficiency. Yet they always manage just enough to be the more inspiring role model. Just really undermine the idea that their overcoming something.
There needs to be a cripple drag race, too.
I've never played D&D but this is kinda hilarious. I lost it when I saw the wolf with the wheel legs.
if you actually cared youd post on vrpg or tg
I cannot wait to play Dungeons & Dragons so I can make all my wildest dreams come true and explore a fantasy world from the comfort of a chair on wheels.
The real fantasy is being an able bodied character and using a battle wheelchair because its stats are good with no one giving you shit for pretending to be handicapped
I would unironically watch a joust tournament of cripples
modern gaming is amazing
I'd say let it burn but so far all we have are smoldering coals when we need a massive forest fire. Future seems dark. There's too much money and power involved nowadays.
gaming gamers gamed!
>Be evil lich
>Creating foul labyrinthian dungeon filled with horrors, traps and all manner of obstacles for any would be adventurers.
>Stitch together lumbering masses of dead flesh and reanimate into an absolute fricking unit to guard the most treasured of my posessions, critical to success of my plans.
>Rub my bony hands together in glee at the malice I've poured into it's design... fricking mortals will suffer.
>Stop and ponder for a moment, something is missing... OF COURSE!
>Go around my dungeon and adjust it to make sure that the entirety of it is wheelchair accessable.
Remember
D&D was created by white guys for white guys.
No women ever cared for the hobby, ever, nil, nada
UNTIL it became profitable on stream
Gatekeep your hobbies, always.
They still don't care about D&D (they never will)
How many of them join actual serious groups that put out calls for players? I can tell you, a marginal amount.
What they care about is Pop-tabletop like Critical Role where rules and stats mean absolutely nothing and the only currency is quirkiness. Your success will always be determined by how reddit-funny your action is, not whether it is feasible or makes any sense.
They LOVE that shit, but even if these homebrew streams generate interest in the hobby, it never translates to an actual influx of women or anyone else for that matter into the hobby because those that dedicate the necessary time and effort to play regularly want a serious game with a serious setting, proper stakes and good storytelling. None of which appeal to the Pop-tabletop crowd.
On top of that I can tell you as someone who LARP'd for 22 years and then spent 10 more as a scenario coordinator/planner, the only part of roleplaying women enjoy is dressing up. Out of 100 maybe 2 or 3 seem to have the ability to actually inhabit a role and commit to it even if it's just for two hours. I am convinced it has something to do with self-consciousness and women being deathly afraid of anyone thinking less of them for having fun. Men and boys will just go along with it and engage entirely in the fantasy, without caring if anyone things they're cringe or embarrassing.
I think it's fair to say that this fearlessness comes from passion, and probably also from just thinking differently and not worrying about what others think as much as women and girls who are acutely aware that allowing themselves to be silly is a bad thing. WHY is it a bad thing? Dunno, I always assumed it was either just an inborn inability to stop taking themselves seriously or the fear that an attractive man might think less of them for letting go of their inhibitions (in an atmosphere where they can't get violently drunk, anyway).
I just think your average nerd has (or had) a thicker skin than your average woman. I was a stereotypical nerd growing up back when it was a death sentence and while the shit that happened to me was certainly unpleasant, to a woman it would be like fricking Vietnam. I'm regularly shocked at the things women of all stripes complain about, things that most men even scrawny nerds would just brush off or not even notice. No wonder they can't take criticism or laugh at themselves.
men want to live the fantasy
women want to control it
I once played an elf mage that was disabled. It's actually a great flaw for your character if you play it without injecting modern leftie onions politics. She paid a merc to carry her around and was heavily discriminated by the medieval society and her family. It was such a payoff to beat all ods and actually slowly become a big name. She died trying to crawl away from charging cavalry, half drowning in mud while being trampled. It was fun.
Is just sludge now
>assassin of undead
>spear
The frick am I reading this shit don't make no sense
>every class has endless autistic specializations for every thing you can pick no matter how much it clashes with class theming
Welcome to pathfinder
It's holy duh
Have they even thought for 3 seconds and to make wheelchair warriors a semi decent concept, having some sort of animal or summoned creature to pull them around like a charriot? It would be infinitely less of a moronic idea if they just made them like fire emblem pegasus knights or some shit
I love battle wheelchairs, not because they're a good idea but because they're a great idea and everyone in the party should have one to become a roaming wheelchair gang complete with leather jackets and baseball bats.
I use telescope halberds
>he doesn't play indie pnps
I think DnD is lacking in term of accessibility for people in a state of brain death. What if a brain dead person wakes up one day and want to play DnD?
You're not thinking inclusively enough
What if literally DEAD people want to play DnD?
Zombies are already in the game
DnD is the TTRPG braindead people play already.
I get that it is extremely goofy to have a wheelchair on dnd but why does Ganker act this way about unusable legs? No one bats an eye when they meet a blind person in fantasy settings.
Blind people having supernatural powers has been a trope since forever. The only thing that happens to cripples is that they are healed by some supernatural power or they live on with the problem.
Usually being blind has the downside of not being able to fricking see shit instead of just being a straight up buff.
>This guy is blind
>okay lets give him magical sight
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ITS NOT A DISABILITY HE'S SUPER ABLED HES JUST AS GOOD AS ME AND YOU LOOK HERES A PICTURE OF HIM KILLING A BEHOLDER HE DOESN'T NEED EYES ITS NOT A DISABILITY AHAGHGHHGHHHH I'M GOING TO GET YOU FIRED
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ITS NOT A DISABILITY HE'S SUPER ABLED
wtf
magical or improved sight as a result of blindness of the 'real' world is a common trope. A person using their inability to walk to instead master a mobility device seems reasonable.
>master a mobility device
Have you tried using a wood wheelchair on gravel before?
you can effectively dual wield falchions without any drawback with only enough strength (1 str) for a maximum lift of about 10 pounds. A wheelchair having beneficial stats is one of the least non-sensical things in fantasy pnp games.
I don't fricking care what you say, a wheelchair being beneficial at all for anything other than possible storage is moronic. There is no mobility bonus unless you're going down hill, but in a fantasy setting you'd need to roll a dc 15 acrobatics check to make sure you don't fall crash.
The frick are you rambling about? Can you shut up?
>mastering a mobility device
Fricking hell the state of you people
blindness has been around since forever.
medieval cripples weren't all rolling around in nice modern wheelchairs.
No one would mind a wheelchair bound character in an appropriate setting
Same reason I can't roll a racecar driver in most campaigns
>Same reason I can't roll a racecar driver in most campaigns
but you can
>No one would mind a wheelchair bound character in an appropriate setting
Would die immediately.
>be blind person in D&D 2024
>Ray Charles Sunglasses
>gives you 20/5 vision
>gives you night vision
>lets you read any language
A fighter can take blindsight 10ft at level 1 as their fighting style
That's officially published material
And that's called opportunity cost, you moron. This is more like you blind your fighter and then give them the blindsight perk for free.
>Be a blind Wizard
>Unable to cast 90% of spells because nearly all of them require you to see the target
>Could pick another class, heal your eyeballs, or take a feat to give you 10 feet of blindsight
>Demand the DM give you super glasses that give you eagle vision and also give you truesight and give you advantage on spell attacks and you autosucceed on any saves can could blind, deafen, or paralyze you.
Because morons are mad a fricking homebrew item is overtooled
A homebrew item
I'm gonna say it again
It's a homebrew item and has as much validity in the game as an incredible hulk creature stat block you found on reddit.
This is a homebrew item that someone is presenting as something valid and it's not like your sonic penis doodles you make in your bedroom. Once you post your sonic penis doodles in a serious fashion online it's up for grabs. And the fact people defend the wheelchair shows it's actually in the overton window.
I have literally never seen a single person actually defend the combat chair on Ganker even in this thread
At best people dismiss it as homebrew, because it is. No one ever says "this is good content and I will run it in my game without iromy"
bad faith in the trash
Point to any such post of people saying they love it and it isn't bad. We're at 424 posts, surely it is possible?
It' not because this thread is an excuse to outrage and argue against no one who is actually here.
Blind swordsmen are cool
Imagine four of these buttholes in a gladiatorial slave arena against, like an enraged owlbear or some mindless predator, lol
>Your desperate attempts to scoot away from the beast are in vain and you scream as the giant ape rips you out of your chair and smacks you against the arena wall like a wet length of rope
>make sure to build ramps everywhere on my hidden temple full of my treasure i don't want people to steal
>Mage gets legs smashed to bits by monsters
>cast Floating Disc
>put him on it for the rest of the campaign
It's literally as shrimple as that
>Feat
What the absolute frick
>Wheelchair
I mean yeah that's dumb, but the feat is worse.
>I'm super crippled but that doesn't mean I can't use all my skills as well as, if not better than, the other party members
vs
>I'm too rich to bother walking
Pssssh that's shit.
based
Reminder that there is literally blind fighting style in 5e. Blindsight is LITERALLY better than Darkvision.
This is kind of based though
The blind samurai dude is ALWAYS cool even if it doesn’t make sense
>pnp for a harry potter campaign
whats wrong here
the real problem with Strixhaven was the backgrounds all came with free feats, leading one to ask why you'd ever pick other backgrounds
>THREE interspecies interrtacial homosexual couples in one shot
I would ally with the BBEG if it meant we could nuke that "college".
sometimes I feel like it was just me and all the chinese guys who were actually studying in college
I didn't study shit in college, but also had no friends and didn't have sex. It's like those 5 years were a blur where nothing happened.
devils arent evil in pathfinder either
more precisely, James Jacobs has clarified that an alignment entry of "always evil" is just 99.99% of the time
what was the point
>Dungeon staircase 1
>Assassin I'm a wooden wheelchair 0
Just ban freakshit from your tables guys, its actually not that hard and fixes so many problems you might have with homosexuals trying to rules lawyer everything so their magical elf furry space princess can win at everything.
Being proficient in combat wheelchair sounds kinda fun tbh. I'd never play a crippled character on purpose, but kicking ass on a chair because you don't feel like getting up and still being able to kick ass sounds like a fun adventure.
Forgot image.
you know that dnd is the setting where there are bags that are literally portals to pocket dimensions, right?
so what you're saying is we should carry cripples in pocket dimension backpacks?
That would kill them after a certain amount of rounds due to not having enough oxygen, so no.
no, i'm saying that it's possible to easily conceal a spear on your body in dnd
Someone post that crippled dragon from WoW who voluntarily stays in a wheelchair despite mechanostriders being a thing since 2004
>wtf why does this guy in this modern setting have glasses when he could just get LASIK instead?
I can’t get Lasik or I would 🙁
Cost? Glasses being a style? No insurance and inability to save $2k? Giving yourself an amateur at-home eye exam for free and downing $100-200 for a pair online being a cheaper alternative?
now apply that to having a cleric, wizard, or artificer fixing your broken legs. Surely fantasy robotics and magic has never backfired before
No one says wheel chairs don't exist, people are saying that wheelchairs are not the same as or superior to using working legs
>permanent dry eyes debuff
>-1 to perception checks at night
>only lasts 10-20 years until you need glasses again
Made a tiefling cripple in AI as a joke, but tempted to really add him as an enemy in my campaign, combat wheelchair and all.
At least guns make some semblance of sense for a cripple, but you can't move the chair while holding the guns.
Consider getting a trained monkey or an imp to sit on the back of the chair to manoeuvre it for you.
And if you got for the monkey you should go full pirate and have entirely missing legs instead of that gay paralysis shit.
D&D 3e, 10 years ago.
Starting a new campaign with my usual group, but we always try to invite one or two new guys since that is how we end up together.
One new guy, leftist, also homosexual I guess. He made a halfling barbarian with a greatsword, perfectly fine. But to be quirky and funny his char had real life dwarfism.
As the DM I said OK, but instead of -2 Str, you have -6 Str and your movement is 10ft. And no you can not change your character, you will live with the consequences of your choices.
He quit.
Never play with women or left wingers.
HAHA THAT IS SO QUIRKY A HALFLING WITH A GREAT SWORD NEVER HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE
well the greatsword is a solid weapon
and halflings can be fighters to
HAHA I BET HE'LL SPEC INTO DUAL WIELDING GREATSWORDS BECAUSE IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE HE IS SHORT
Is there any reason Lesser Restoration wouldn't fix these people?
might need stronger magic
not lesser, but a higher level
For the record: Lesser restoration does cure this Tiefling of her lameness
>so quirky and reddit funny!
from the core rulebook of a brazilian D&D copy
She just needs to be a stand user.
I know this is a bait thread but you disagree as a underling, underlings love spears
Or watch any hong Kong kung fu flick
I hate the wheelchair stuff because it's such a boring way of playing a cripple character. "actually there's no downsides and everything is as normal or better". I'd much rather people just went full ham with their disabled characters at that point
>a comically obsese noble who travel on a throne carried by at least 4 slaves at all times
>a wizard who sits on a enchanted floating disc (that can't fit into doorways)
>a druid who can only get around in wildshape and has now spent more time as an animal than a human
>a brawny acrobat with enough upper nody strength he can get around with his hands in a pinch
odd that there are no survival horror games with wheelchairs, would explain tank controls
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