i like how in Banjo-Tooie and Pokemon Crystal there's a lot of carryover from the previous entry in their series. you retain all your moves and start in spiral mountain, and you catch kanto pokemon and surf from new bark town back toward pallet town. in my mind these are proper sequels, what do you think?
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I guess you can look at it that way.
lazy nintendo reusing assets.
>Iwata gets to work on optimizing the frick out of their build because they couldn't fit the projected game on the cart
>end up with shitloads of leftover space
>team gets the idea to throw in a revised and updated version of Kanto from the first game as endgame bonus content
>through expertise and hard work the game is roughly doubled in content just to reward the player for beating the game, basically like a retroactive New Game+
>they had no plans for this, they do it simply because they think it would be fricking cool and make the game even better than they could have ever imagined
>"BLEEERGH LAZY REUSE OF ASSETS"
I hope you get raped by a pack of wild Hypnos.
Cool it with the antisemetic remarks
OY VEY!
>doubled in content
It was more like it took the same content but split it in half.
So why does the speedrun of GS take twice the time of the speedrun of RGB? (no glitch)
except no, you fricking moron
They added an updated version of the first gen games onto the second gen games as a bonus, something which they, again, never even set out to do or needed to, they decided on that late in development when it became clear they could do that.
It'd be like if Super Mario Bros. 2 or Sonic The Hedgehog 2 included the levels from their first game, but revised and as a bonus at the end, it's not 100% fresh content, but it's still additional content and effort, and it's cool that it's even there, particularly given how tight cartridge space is.
You mean Gamefreak, who have always been incompetent as programmers and literally had to get a guy from an outside studio to make their somewhat ambitious sequel playable.
yeah theyre so incompetent, they created the most successful game franchise in history. get your head out of your ass, you fricking moron
McDonald’s didn’t get successful making gourmet hamburgers, do t mistake success with quality.
>had futureproofed hi-poly models of the Pokémon made starting with the 3DS games so that they would never have to remove Pokémon
>removed Pokémon anyway starting with the newest games because they just suck that hard with deadlines
I want to argue that the GameFreak of today is not the GameFreak of 1997.
Game freak's desire to remain a small, insular company at the mercy of their staff's skills remain the reason for the issues in both eras.
Yes, but I feel like duplicating all your assets for every cell in the game, thus bloating the frick out of the game's size, is a new kind of ineptitude which they would never have done 25 years ago.
Crystal had so much more soul than the later Indigo League games. No Johto in FRLG, no Sevii in HGSS, and no either one of those in Let's Go.
its no secret that pokemon peaked in Gen 2, every game has been objectively worse since crystal
G2 is pretty shit actually. No elemental stones unless you had a guide to know what phone numbers to keep?
> had a guide to know what phone numbers to keep?
I got them all when I was 8 without any guide
You must have gotten very lucky to trigger the extremely specific and easy to miss sequence in order to receive your stones
What? Bills grandpa will literally say shit like
>show me a round pokemon with leaves on its head
Amd then gives you a stone. How moronic are you to not get that?
One stone. At the end of the game. GREAT!
The way RBY did it was better, letting you buy them early on presented an interesting decision for players. Do you instantly evolve the Pokemon, like the Growlithe/Vulpix you find outside Celadon, and evolve it now for a stronger Pokemon but need movesets, or do you grind for a better moveset?
you guys will defend anything.
Don't care about your opinion of the game when you obviously haven't played it
Anon I've played GSC multiple times, I specifically play Crystal more because its slightly more convenient to get stones if I'm planning to use a stone using Pokemon. Its still inconvenient waiting for a call for stones
The entire replenishing system in GS for the stones is based on mystery gift, of all things.
Fricking moron did you even play the games?
The original games were better
Yeah I played it, and I never got a chance to evolve my Growlithe till it was pointless to do so. And also IIRC there is no way to teach Mareep line thunder, making it useless. Shit game. It's been quite some time since I played it, but I noticed things about it that sucked and made it inferior to the original ones.
>And also IIRC there is no way to teach Mareep line thunder, making it useless.
Game Corner, moron.
>no Sevii in HGSS
The Sevii islands were terrible though. I wish they had added the orange islands from the anime instead.
still waiting on a game that has all the regions
The first two generations had all the regions at the time
i am op after all
you don't want anything after sinnoh, trust me
This. Gen4 had its problems, but it was the last generation that didn't submit to the overwhelming influence of The Pokemon Company.
Just a game based on the anime world would be dope. It's just a shame Gamefreak is so incompetent at 3D game design. Imagine the team that made Dragon Quest XI working on an open world Pokemon game.
You were just conditioned to want that because of the anime, the actual Orange Islands are crap. Their gyms are would be just like the bullshit tournaments from Gen 3/4, and there's not much of interest on them besides the crystal Onix and pink Pokemon island, both of which were never gonna happen. The sevii islands were fine and the Rocket plot was interesting and a good lead in the GSC
>Giovanni's son has red hair..
>Their gyms are would be just like the bullshit tournaments from Gen 3
Contests were the shit, moron.
I'll agree everything after that sucked though. No idea why they don't just go back to them since the dancing and dress up stuff is literally crap
Super Metroid
>i like how in Banjo-Tooie and Pokemon Crystal
What a weird comparison. I see what you mean though. Gen 2 did feel like a proper sequel to gen 1 in a lot of ways. Certainly as a kid it felt like the most impressive jump between the two games in terms of content.
is it really that weird? i'd list more games but i am hard pressed to think of any quote on quote 'proper sequels' in the context i presented, i love how those two games built off the originals and didn't throw out anything at all, that's how i would want to make games
-make a good game
-update it patch ect
-make a sequel game
-it contains the original game remastered which can be played into the sequel
It's a fun way to design a sequel. It means you can have more complex design right off the bat, rather than slowly reintroducing everything.
Just chiming in to say I've been thinking this for twenty years, banjo tooie and crystal are two rare sequels that top their already hall of Fame originals. Excellent taste op. Elite soundtracks too