I may get shit on for this, but singleplayer card games are abysmal trash compared to a good competitive mp one such as MTG arena (draft in particular)
Lets look at the fine details, and take one of the best sp card games for example.
Slay the Spire. I find this game has much less RNG than other sp card games out there, and the game is designed well from an asymetrical difficulty standpoint however.
The game is still built on trial and error, and the ai is still braindead. The game offers little depth in choices unless you think different flashy artwork and animation offers depth. The game has a stringent defined meta, and difficulty is kinda meh.
Compared to drafting in MTG arena, the depth is infinite, player skill can take you infinitely and years of accrued deckbuilding knowledge carry over. The difficulty, the depth of choices, getting into the mind of another human opponent...I just feel like sp card games are a waste of time tbh I cant help it.
Angry boomers and zoomers incoming.
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mtga will remain shit until it get at least pioneer
standard is a israeli scam
historic isn't magic
alchemy isn't magic
playing with "commanders" isn't magic
explorer is an incomplete format
get good at draft, and theres nothing holding you back from achieving good results mate.
There's no illuminate algothrim holding you back from winning besides RNG.
i want to get angry at arena for being as mobile as possible by trying take your money at every opportunity, but i also played paper and the fact that i can pretty comfortably play it without spending a cent is stopping me
so existence of paper magic kind of saves it
but bearly
if im having fun i play magic
so shut up with this shit man
I have multiple meta decks and havent spent a cent.
i would too if i played it every day and made it a goal
but i play like 1-2 times a week so i got stuck with one competitive deck and a couple commander decks so shit wouldn't get stale
drafts are the only saving grace but previous set was fricking horrible when drafted new a bit better but GW just seems to overpower everything else
cubes is were i can play magic for a long times but these things show up only 1 in 3 months
no dude, you literally can play 2 times a week, 10 min intervals each against bots and farm all the quest gold..thats all it takes.
i do
i win most of events and drafts
i returned to magic like 4 months ago and this is how my account looks like
plus singleplayer card games arent as bad even if they are just games in a sense where you play it complete them to the point of your satisfaction and leave them
games aren't eternal and cant entertain you forever
true true, but I find draft in MTG arena has infinite replayability as long as the sets no to shit idk.
yea man, the thing with MTG arena is, standard is boring meta garbage, I played MTG casually with my bros before getting into arena, and within a week with a mono red aggro deck I climbed to near mythic, just brainlessly playing cards along my mana curve, no forethought whatsoever.
Thing is, the draft gamemode MTG arena has is the total opposite of that, it rewards legacy skill good deep decision making cost benefit analysis and strategy.
just play it for that dude.
>it rewards legacy skill good deep decision making cost benefit analysis and strategy.
>just play it for that dude.
mtg is not for me, i don't have any of those things
Theres no time better to learn than now.
If you apply urself u can learn fast.
Dont be intimidated.
I laugh at the boomer
t. legacy/modern enjoyer
boomers just played MTG drunken with their buddies, w/ random decks rules and no structure.
They cant adapt to a competitive meta and thats why they cry about competitive fps games, and everything else in between.
They are use to having ai from early 2005 games that cant even face the right direction properly
only boomers enjoy legacy
>playing with "commanders" isn't magic
Commander is fun, frick you.
Only thing is, that "Brawl" in MTGA is so heavily favored for blue due to counterspells.
Since it's a 1v1 format and players start with 25 life, you can just be a huge gay and play Draw-Go vs. the majority of decks.
Only thing that consistently stops DrawGo in historic brawl is monoblack discard and brainless aggro - both of which require as little thought to pilot as Draw-Go itself.
TL;DR - if you're not playing counterspells in Historic brawl, you're at a huge disadvantage vs. someone who does.
>all that pozzed art
yikes!
>Commander is fun
on all levels, Commander is opposite of fun
if i wanted MTG i'd play 1v1 60 card with 4 card playsets
if i wanted 4+ people diplomaticking it out i'd play a board game like Twilight Imperium 3/4ed or Dune (2019)
if i wanted to be fricked over by RNG i'd go to a casino
if i wanted to be ganged up on i'd pull a Die Hard and wear my "I HATE Black folk" shirt into a black neighborhood
if i wanted to gang up on someone i'd give the shirt to my friend and forcefully bring him to a black neighborhood
60 card multiplayer is king but only if the power levels are appropriate.
Too weak and nobody can close a game out thus making it take way too long.
Too competitive and it turns into legacy combo bullshittery.
This leaves a very huge gap as long as players pick their decks appropriately.
>powerlevel wankery
another reason why MTG sucks dick unless you set a format limit on cards
like if i say "lets play Modern" me and my opponents both know what to expect, but if i say "let's play some freeform bullshit", my opponent's opinion on what that description means will differ from my own
>but if i say "let's play some freeform bullshit", my opponent's opinion on what that description means will differ from my own
Yes, hence why you don't pick a deck that can win in 2 turns against his casual homebrew that would get curb stomped.
Do you not understand that some powerful legacy cards IE sol ring can be used in casual shit and not be degenerate?
I have a dragon deck that had a single sol ring plus 4 fire diamons and I took the sol ring out because it was just so unfair playing sol ring and fire diamond on turn 1.
Sol ring in a weaker deck that doesn't abuse the frick out of it can still be fair, thus allowing us to use some of the games more broken cards without forcing everybody else to make really powerful decks.
freeform games with da boyz irl, is usually fun for the social aspect, but what makes it kind of miserable is someones deck is usually absurdly busted, anothers persons in really op, and the other 2 may have shit decks.
Its fun to connect with your friends, but the gameplay is pretty lacking for the most part.
Its like playing smash with your bros for the first time and randomly mashing with donkey kong, against 5 others on a clusterfrick stage with items enabled.
I also like commander. Tons of deck varieties and you can play almost any theme and be competitive. My friends and I play casual commander just for fun and ive run everything from a sacrifice deck, mill, monarch, dragons, hell even a planeswalkers only deck.
I will admit some new shit they released is broken as all frick. The horror commander that mills EVERYONE and you get a creature or artifact from that means you're almost guarenteed to just steamroll everyone in multiplayer games. I can't believe it's a pre-con with how well it just does on its fricking own.
>Horror commander that mills EVERYONE
You talking about this card that was the Mind Flayer in the Secret Lair promo?
i hate MTG Arena because 80% of games im getting roped
idk if im playing against bots or just buthurt homosexuals
get a meta aggro deck and enjoy the wins.
How is mtga still alive? The platform alone is hot garbage, then you have the actual game itself and it's community.
Damn, look at you, shitting on something that barely even exists.
Singleplayer card games bad? Wait 'till you find out what 99.999% of card games are...
Holy shit what a pointless thread.
competing is the soul of gaming
movie sims and just for fun are cuckshit
the first game ever made was 1v1 to the death
Dude comp 1v1 games are the only games at 26 years old I can sit down and play, and find stimulating.
I work from home as a civil engi, read novels in my spare time, so I dont think my attention span is to blame, but comp 1v1 games man thats were the fun lies.
If you play
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>Arcane Bombardment
>Angel lifegain
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>good competitive mp one such as MTG arena
lmao even
*laughs at you in fat thick Eternal dick*
Huh? I mean draft specifically, player skill can carry you infinitely far there
>PLAYER THAT PLAYS THE FIRST BOMB WINS
wow so fun so interactive
shame that Arena sucks, but you're partially right. deckbuilding only works in multiplayer scenarios (see also Dominion, Barba*Rossa, Undaunted) and in singleplayer it's easy for it to fall apart.
yea arena is meh but I still think draft is great.
Even if the current set is shit, player skill still comes into the frey 10x as much as topdecking in standard.
i honestly wish i knew how to draft and end up with decks that function. everyone says it's a good time but for me it feels too random
use a third party tool if ur a begginer and look up ytube guides.
>use a third party tool
i tried, they don't help.
>guides
ok, i watch a guide that tells me what to pick, i open the pack and none of what the guide told me to pick is in there. and in the next pack the good card has been taken by the other player.
You watch a guide for “these are the generally good cards, these cards synergize with these other cards, this is good removal, this is a bomb that can take over the game” etc
Obviously they aren’t going to be 100% identical drafts, you have to use your brain a little bit
Watch someone like LegenVD on YouTube. He explains every draft pick and why it works for his deck
just give me a fricking card game that's draft and only draft. i'm not going to grind bots for gold to get to thr actual game
Prismata may be what you're looking for. Every match, a set of 4~11 random cards are added to the supply, and you have to use them + 11 "core" cards to kill the opponent's cards before they kill yours. It plays like an RTS in card form, with first few turns spend on economy and thinking what of the random set you want to focus on (if anything), and the AI is not moronic either
how strong is rng?
there is no RNG beyond what is placed into the random set at the start of the match. and that is the same for both players. if you like le randumb hearthstone dicerolls on every card and heart of the cards lucky topdecking, Prismata won't be for you
btw i throwed some cards around but it turns out a bit heavy
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4956003#paper
give me some suggestions
Singleplayer card games are much, much less israeli than multiplayer ones
The israelitery of MTGA is so bad it would make average gacha blush
yet at the same time, if you're good at Draft you can go infinite pretty fricking easily. curious how it's the most israeli, yet the most lenient. and i'm one of the people who hates MTGA and prefers Xmage even if it's lagging behind
>draft a great deck
>mulligan a good hand
>proceed to draw nothing but lands/draw no lands
Yeah my bad lole
Black person i don't care at this point shit like slay the spire costs peanuts and can give you hundreds of playtime, while in MTGA you basically pay a subscription fee to a israelite so he can add more Black folk and trannies while you get scraps and get to play against the same decks over and over in constructed
>but muh kitchen
Yeah and we're on Ganker the videogames
I'm not even defending singleplayer games as much as attacking multiplayer ones
I understand, but I just mentally cant get over the lack of depth, and stringent self engineered gameplay of sp card games. the game is so....solved for lack of a better word.
a good hand
this implies you're secure on lands, and secure on anti-flood options like scrying, recurring draw, or some sort of manasink to propel you forward in case you only draw land
stop being bad at draft
>if you're good at Draft you can go infinite pretty fricking easily.
Only in formats without explicit ranking.
Drafting in MTGA is flawed because you get paired against better and better drafters while the rewards and entry-fee stay the same. It is literally impossible to go infinite in any draft mode that's also "Ranked Limited"
to bad they are super boring, and have little to no replay value.
Gameplay>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
devs.
I'm sorry but the complex gameplay of a good competitive card game that is PvP outclipses the entirety of every single lame ass sp card game on steam.
>sell a card online
>ship it
>2 month later the letter returns
>write to a dude
>silence
so what
do i keep the card and the money?
I don't play arena but enjoy paper draft. I also enjoy StS a lot. They're fun for different reasons, but that doesn't make OP's point wrong either.
yeeee
Nice job anon
I haven’t gone a full 7 but I got to 5 before with a pretty sick UB disturb/enchantments deck on crimson vow
i don't play digital card games. half the fun of a card game is collecting physical objects. i'm not giving Wizards thousands of dollars just so my entire collection of cards can disappear when they decide to close down/replace MTGA.
I just play it for free
ahhhhhhhh
>attack into an untapped opponent
>surprised when they block good
honestly, what did you expect?
i won
exactly 6 dmg
nice
They did not block good, reassess the board
good run non the less
you fricking suck.
Also what is your opinion on singleplayer card games?
played a bunch of tabletop games
if you count only digital games i have only monster train and talisman
they are alright i killed like 20+hours in MT and 80 in talisman
Legends Of Runeterra is the best CCG on the market right now. Any other opinion is incorrect.