I need a refresher on this game before the new one comes out so the Sephiroth we meet is actually from the original 1997 video game, right?
I need a refresher on this game before the new one comes out so the Sephiroth we meet is actually from the original 1997 video game, right?
impossible to know they are writing this story as they go
Didn’t they release an art book where they said the three Sephiroths where a hallucination, the real one, and for the third one they were like “hmmmm I wonder who this guy is :p”
I looked it up and while at first I thought his pronoun usage might be incidental, Ultimania goes out of its way to point out that the one you fight as the endboss reverts to the "ore" that Sephiroth used prior to learning where he came from, prior to the flashback. So it could be this Sephiroth isn't indicative of a future entity, but the past? I don't know man.
>Ultimania goes out of its way to point out that the one you fight as the endboss reverts to the "ore" that Sephiroth used prior to learning where he came from, prior to the flashback
This is false. It's not the one we fight as the end boss in actual gameplay, but rather just the one we meet at the end of the highway and then again at the edge of creation.
The gameplay final boss Sephiroth uses "watashi" and I personally think that that one is just a whisper creation.
damn my bad, wouldn't have figured that you meet and interact with different versions in the same sequence. hoo boy
God I hate AC/CC.
>so the Sephiroth we meet is actually from the original 1997 video game, right?
There's no way to know, people are assuming that due to Sephiroth knowing stuff he wasn't supposed to know this early in the game. But yeah, you could go with this theory i guess
It is purposely vague
Which do we prefer /FF7/?
Sephiroth, Aerith and Red13 to a lesser extent are aware of things that happen in the future so they can alter how the events transpire in the remake. Sephiroth and Aerith seem to know the events of the original PS1 game and Advent Children so both can make changes if they deem it necessary.
tfw you'll never have a john carpenter space alien mommy who loves you and keeps you safe in an ice womb so you can project your consciousness on invalids to torment the new guy on the basketball team who proved you weren't all that
The Sephiroth who talks to you in Remake is post-Advent Children Sephiroth.
The quiet ones are Jenova doing mind illusion shit with you (and with the black hooded ex-Soldier dudes who are deteriorating).
Should be pointed out that it won't always be "quiet ones" = Jenova, because those illusions talked to Cloud in the original past a certain point.
1997 OG Sephiroth is in the Northern Crater.
Then where the frick is remake Sephiroth?
Remake Sephiroth IS post-Advent Children Sephiroth.
Sephiroth is never in FF7 anyways. He died in Crisis Core when Cloud threw him into the reactor, Its just Jenova or whatever.
Actual Sephiroth is at the Northern crater following the events of being thrown down the reactor. How he got there? They don't really explain, 90's JRPG/floated there/whatever.
Every encounter before the Norther Crater is just Jenova illusions, but the final fight is actual Sephiroth (twisted and fricked up by Jenova)
The remake suggests that Sephiroth isn't manifesting through the physical pieces of Jenova, but through the numbered test subjects who have his cells. Like with Kadaj in Advent Children. Or maybe it takes a combination of the two.
I think this is going to lead to him eventually fully possessing the Cloud from Zack's timeline in part 3.
This game came out 26 years ago and people still come on the internet and say dumb shit like this everyday. Love it.
read to get an idea of sephiroth's experience and desperation within the lifestream
>https://thelifestream.net/novels-novellas/on-the-way-to-a-smile-lifestream-black-and-lifestream-white/
>local man seeks immortality, becomes codependent
Alright this is cool and all...but what happens when Cloud dies and he has to return to the planet along with all his memories of Sephiroth or w/e. Is Sephiroth's goal actual fujobait yaoi crap where he and Cloud will make soul slurry together and cum so hard they stop existing?
the end of Remake was beyond moronic
Beyond Epic*
>this sephiroth isn't any stronger than the one in 7r
>he just takes cloud more seriously
>cloud doesn't stand a chance and gets BTFO in an identical duel to the one at the end of ff7
kino
No, he is stronger, because the "final battle" Sephiroth was just a whisper-made fake, but the one at the edge of creation is the real deal, probably at his strongest he has ever been.
The Sephiroth we fight in Remake is a hooded figure taking on his appearance (the same thing happens earlier in Shinra Tower) and manipulating you into killing the whispers so that he can change history.
No, those are completely different individuals. The "local" Sephiroth like Aerith and Cloud only has tiny little fragments of knowledge from the parallel worlds. He only slightly improves his methods, like viewing as Tifa as more dangerous than in the OG, but he does not have some weird master plan as you suggest. As for the "unknown" Sephiroth, there is just no way to tell what he has in mind, he is just too weird and there's far too little information, though he at least SEEMS to be much friendlier and less malicious than the usual post-Niebelheim Sephiroth.
modern games having prerendered story cutscenes are the tightest shit. it was tight when DQXI did it too.
the whole of FF7R is just atrocious in every aspect from start to finish.
the writing, the awkward stilted voice acting and anime grunts, the garbage environments and assets, shoddy animation, awful padding.
even the redesigns are trash and completely wrong
I wanted classic Cloud in remake not what is essentially blond Lightning
so just the soul slurry part
>Like three different Sephiroths fricking around
>Zack is alive
>Genesis coming back
these next two games are gonna be a doozy
FF7 Advent Children intro music:
Music that plays as soon as you first "meet" Sephiroth in FF7 Remake in the alleyway, where you wouldn't expect him since the remake is different than OG:
>the remake
LOL you are funny.
I meant FF7 Remake, accidentally typed out "the remake"
it was sephiroth the whole time in the og, he's dead but exists within the lifestream refusing to erode. he uses an ability he inherited from jenova called mimic on his clones to walk the surface. he uses it to trick red by pretending to be tifa.
honestly though it's not confirmed it was sephiroth in charge over jenova since this scene is really just hojo rambling off his theories
>never shows up in Midgar in the original
>shows up after barely an hour into Remake
>all he does the entire game is talk gay shit to Cloud
Sephiroth falls in love with Cloud.
Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina (Jenova) with the Ex-SOLDIER's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls him, and is overjoyed to find out that he has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when Sephiroth recounts the previous day's confessions to Cloud, he only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the Cloud he called is not the same Cloud he fell in love with. In fact, he doesn't exist in this universe at all. He is Cloud's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the Sephiroth's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of his crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.
what is the point of the webm
A celebration of their LOVE.
why is every interacting between cloud and sephiroth so homoerotic in remake
honestly the entire atmosphere in remake was off
i miss the tone from the classic game
Hey homosexuals,
My name is Cloud, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, moronic, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in Gaia. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on Shinrabook.
Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best materia. I'm pretty much perfect. I was captain of my SOLDIER squad, and starter on my Nibelheim Climbing team. What sports do you play, other than "jack off to naked drawn Wutai people"? I also get straight 7777's, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO gil). You are all homosexuals who should just have a nice day with no Phoenix Down. Thanks for listening.
Pic Related: It's me and my b***h.
Nothing confirmed, but its implied that the Sephiroth from Remake remembers the events of the original timeline. Remember that his final words in the original timeline (at the end of Advent Children) were "I will never be a memory", which suggest that he could be breaking the fourth wall and rebelling against his role in a previously played out story.
Aerith and Cloud also seem to remember to some extent (Aerith has some mysterious dialogue which suggests as much, and Cloud has been getting vague flashforwards to later in the plot, like Aerith running away from him through the Sleeping Forest). Nanaki also seems aware of what is happening, at least to an extent that he's able to explain the phenomena to the rest of the party when they all start experiencing it during the final boss of Remake.
Doubt. Before I read your post, I thought "this could be Sephiroth's brother".
It doesn't look like him, but someone like him.
Can someone please spoil me the story of this ff7 remake. I'm too poor to get a new gaming system right now, and probably isn't too smart.
Your not missing much. Gaming has been pretty shit in recent years. You could probably get more enjoyment from just watching a story breakdown on youtube instead of playing the game
Last theory I saw was that post advent children Sephiroth time traveled back to influence the FF7 storyline. Zack is somehow alive in some 3rd storyline that has yet to link up with remake. The time jannies were to protect and ensure events continue along their predestined path(the original game).
someone is fricking with the timeline and things are ever so slightly out of place in the remake and big things are instantly taken care of by the cloaked floating fricks and there is only so much we can do to fight fate.
zack is not alive its ff8 tier flashbacking shit
Zack is alive. The new trailer shows him making it to Midgar and talking to people in the slums.
But it seems to be an alternate timeline where the rest of the party is killed in a disaster, so only Zack and Cloud are alive in this timeline.
The ending of the trailer has Sephiroth talking about timelines merging, suggesting that Zack will eventually reenter the main timeline where your party is.
>zack is not alive its ff8 tier flashbacking shit
moron alert.
a salty sephiroth who was beaten and sent to the lifestream like 4 times by cloud finds a way to hack into the lifestream's save files and travel back in time. aerith, also within the lifestream, freaks out and does the same in fear that sephiroth is going to frick shit up. post advent children cloud eventually finds out and heads to bugenhagen to find out how he too can go back, but it's not so easy. he ends up in weird worlds filled with disney characters, but eventually finds his way back to the past and will appear in disk 3 to save everyone.
I feel like Aerith and Red13 are holding out on the rest of the party with regards to what they know about the plot.
Do you think we're gonna have an uptick of NTR posting when the Lucercia, Hojo, Vincent drama is brought up again
DoC just made Vincent look like the biggest cuck in the history of fiction. Maybe they'll rewrite things to be a bit better because as it is Vincent just looks like a dumb frick with his guilt.
Unironicallly? Has a higher chance of being the Sephiroth from post-Advent Children
but being a post-AC sephiroth manifest doesn't really make sense... sephiroth projecting himself physically is contingent on cloud's memory of him and cloud in FFVIIR wouldn't have any memory of a post-FFVII sephiroth
Cloud in FFVII-R has vague flashforwards of future plot points. He also remembers the events of the original game and beyond on some level.
You're right. he has a vision of the plate falling.
Also when Aerith sneaks out of her house and convinces him to let her go with him to Wall Market, she says "okay let's go" and begins walking away from him down a long corridor. As he's watching her walk away, Cloud's vision flickers and the color filtering over the corridor changes to green. It snaps back to him and a tear rolls down his face, suggesting that he remembered the dream he had the night before she was killed.
unless cloud is also post ac sent back in a similar fashion.
0%-95% of Remake: "local" Sephiroth who has some limited knowledge that leaked through from parallel worlds. Last appearance in Remake: When black hooded guy jumps from Shinra HQ tower.
97%-98%: of Remake: presumably fake Sephiroth made from whispers. Last appearance in Remake: killed in final boss battle by Cloud and co.
96%, 99%-100%: The supposed "Post-AC Sephiroth" who regained his pre-insanity speech pattern. Last appearance in Remake: Edge of Creation, "Seven seconds until the end[...]"
so which one of these is jenovah in disguise
Sephiroth doesn't need Cloud to have a specific vision of him to exist, he just needs to be embedded in his mind in some way. It's why he's so antagonistic even though he needs Cloud to assist his plan/maintain an existence separate from the lifestream.
They are doing a multiverse marvel thing confirmed by the bag of snacks changing, this game's Sephiroth KNEW about the time jannies and worked to get rid of them to change the outcome of events, in the next game he will for sure work to commit the same mistakes
>marvel thing
yep this is why nobody will die
The problem is that the FF7 remake stuff is coming out too slow compared to other stuff with similar ideas.
Both Evangelion Rebuild and FF7 had similar ideas, but that one already concluded. Now you got other properties doing similar things in single movies/games like in Starfield, and it will seem less and less novel by the time it really fleshes out fully.
It does seem like Cloud, Aerith, Sephiroth and Red13 have knowledge of future events to different extents. Tifa, Barret and Yuffie don't. I assume Vincent and Cid won't either. I dunno maybe they might do it with Vincent.
Aerith is Cetra, Red XIII's species is basically the same, Sephiroth managed to travel the Lifestream because the Jenova cells in his body made the planet reject him, Cloud probably has knowledge transmitted to him from Sephiroth via the Jenova Cells.
>lifestream is a delorean
>The lifestream binds all life in the planet, all life that was, and will be
>Sephiroth was able to retain his will and consciousness upon entering the lifestream
>He uses it to travel to the past creating a Marvel style timeline branch/alternate universe
>The lifestream has defenses to prevent this, the time jannies, however they are as ineffective guardians as the WEAPONs
It's obvious this is what happened
I can't stop ____ to Yuffie.
Zack's new English VA is fricking terrible, holy shit
its not really sephiroth, judas took his form after fusing with him and killing him. or it took the form of him i forget
what I always found hilarious about this scene is that they chose to cut to RedXIII howling but didn't include a sound for it, so he just howl's in silence lmao
they even do it again when everyone does their final moves defeating sephiroth, he just does the holwing animation with no sound
there's a lot of stuff like that in remake, like when the party is climbing up to the plate with the grappling hooks and flying through the air in a super cool cutscene, except their hair and clothes aren't animated and don't move at all with the winid that's supposed to be there, so they don't really look like they're going anywhere
remake was clearly rushed and unfinished
In comparison Rebirth seemed to have gone well. No unexpected "restarts" or grave changes in the dev team and they already seemed to have started development on part 3, meaning it's even earlier before Rebirth's release, compared to when Rebirth's development started before Remake's release, so they seem quite confident this time around.
>FFVII Remake
>It's actually a stealth sequel
fricking hilarious
The edit is better.
My boy Red just condemned the timeline by saying the vision was the bad ending.
man too angry to assimilate to karma develops deathmetal band following from the afterlife, mobilizes across time and space to bully this one guy
This is like when Superboy Prime came back
Pure Kino?
The way they keep beating FF7's dead corpse over and over again and making it worse every time is just sad. I liked the original game but I wish millenials would just let it go.
I'm glad they've somehow spared FF6 over the years from actual additional content. The various ports have clarified certain things but it hasn't been run into the ground with fanservice bullshit that doesn't need to exist.
Not that it's a masterpiece or anything but it was a product of its time and better left that way.
>I'm glad they've somehow spared FF6 over the years from actual additional content.
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Soon.
>Not until they're done the FF7 remake.
Whew anon, you scared me for a second. They've never finishing that fricking thing.
Why would you say that? FFVII Rebirth has, from what we know, seemingly had one of the smoothest dev cycles in the last 10+ or so years.
>Sakaguchi bullying Kitase relentlessly
thanks for linking this, it's great
Sakaguchi is hilarious.
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always liked his appearance in parody/joke videos
>worse every time
7R is the only good FF7 game other than the original. Stay fuming, though. Maybe you'll enjoy games again some day.
Impossible. It's way easier to complain about things forever.
I actually liked 7R a lot more than I thought I would, I just wish they had put the same time and resources into FF17 or 18 instead of doing weird meta commentary and alternative timelines with old stuff that was perfectly fine in the first place.
Yeah maybe, but it still really feels like the whole remake project won't be done for another seven or eight years and a lot of those old devs might be dead by then.
>Yeah maybe, but it still really feels like the whole remake project won't be done for another seven or eight years and a lot of those old devs might be dead by then.
Why would that be the case? They started development of Rebirth in late 2019 before Remake released, so the dev time would be about 4-4.5 years.
Considering they already dealt with the hard work of creating the assets for most of the world in Rebirth, part 3 will likely be done just as fast or even faster, so the trilogy should be fully released in 2028, not including any possible part 3 DLCs.
once they figure out how to do voice acting for 14 characters in fricktons of scenarios it will happen and they will call it FF6+1 to trick the 7 crowd into playing it
>shadow will come back man, just have some faith
I'm just going to play the original again. Remakes are gay, for millennial sois to consume and market to zoomers.
old = gold
new = israelite
You heard it here first kids.
Technically there should be 2 Sephiroths running around
but the one in the original was just jenova running around
>Red XIII
>has a 13 inch red rocket
Subtle.