I never really understood, what exactly does "attacking from this place in the past" even mean?
I never really understood, what exactly does "attacking from this place in the past" even mean?
I never really understood, what exactly does "attacking from this place in the past" even mean?
He's gonna take you back to the past.
gotta get back back to past samurai jack
Giygas is AVGN?
>Has no time
>Have to go back in time to kill him
My God...
AND LET A BLACK BULL FRICK HIS WIFE ON THE BED
shut up. it's scary and deep. it's a classic video game moment. agree.
i interpreted it as "he's sending his forces here from the past"
i dunno, it never bothered me
the apple of enlightenment showed Giygas that it loses to Ness, and so Giygas travels back in time 10 years to start his attack before Ness is born, Giygas didn't plan on being fricked over by another youth however (Ninten from Mother 1) and so travels into the past even further, to where you defeat him at the end of Earthbound, some mysterious unknowable place where Giygas' forces are arriving from
he's situated in the past but he influences the present
means nothing for the story it's just vaguely wacky i guess
nice fanfiction i'm adding it to my favorites on deviantart
??? the game and supplemental materials confirm this to be the case, but no it makes way more sense that its just le wacky for the sake of wacky, thanks reddit
>the game and supplemental materials confirm this to be the case
mother 1's entire story confirms you are wrong but you never played any of the games anyway so frick off moron
no it doesn't, I've played them all, I just know more than you, gonna cry?
I agree with anon that you’re a moronic homosexual trying to sell takes as canon. What “supplementary material” is your bullshit from? The novel or something?
>he's situated in the past but he influences the present
>means nothing for the story it's just vaguely wacky i guess
He's so evil that he's indirectly making stuff come alive or influencing people with evil in their hearts in the present. That's what it is. It explains having to fight weird inanimate objects and regular people.
It’s more than that, Giygas put himself in a meat pod and made himself the abstract concept of evil which is why he can’t be defeated without divine intervention, you can’t get rid of evil entirely
>He's so evil that he's indirectly making stuff come alive or influencing people with evil in their hearts in the present. That's what it is. It explains having to fight weird inanimate objects and regular people.
yes
the game literally beats you over the head with this and explains it plainly multiple times
lol you are delusional take your fanfics back to starmen.net and stop doing drugs kiddo
Giygas can time travel, he is launching his invasion from the past
>It’s more than that, Giygas put himself in a meat pod and made himself the abstract concept of evil which is why he can’t be defeated without divine intervention, you can’t get rid of evil entirely
Project harder, brainlet
But you have to kill Giygas with Paula's prayers.
Right she prays to the player and the player deals enough damage to Giygas to kill him and he dies by imitating the effect of an old TV going out
really gets the noggin joggin unless you’re too fixated on the fetus
that's just ANOTHER war of the worlds reference
the game is full of those
Is he a a a...a FFFF FF F FETUS!!!
>ARRERHHHGGHHHH A KILLER BABY ARREGHHGH
Idk some gay shit like this game homie
>YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND GIYGAS ATTACK
My god, this game is enlightening, I need to write 10 paragraphs of fanfic now, did you know it was based on a scary movie the creator saw??? Blablabla *gobbles wiener"
>mother 1
Giygas is an ayylmao who lands on earth as a baby and is raised by an elder couple
I guess he exerts evil or something, I actually don’t recall much of the actual plot, aside from going to Magicant, I believe the name is, and fighting a dragon
In 2, after he’s defeated, or something, he’s still exerting evil as a disembodied force of nature
You guys go back in time to beat his ass
But turns out in the third game that he isn’t the sole creation and origin of evil or anything like that, he was just influencing shit unknowingly, and evil itself has always existed in man, and Porkey uses it to become RICH
Mother 4 where a party of raunchy kids sets off to the alien homeworld to kick psychic alien ass when?
This is kind of a shit post but it does bring up something interesting about earthbound, namely how Pokey, the game's real main antagonist, is evil in both extremely realistic ways and also entirely because of his own natural character and not the psychic influence of some alien ghost. I think he might have also been meant as a reference to Charles Manson, given his substantial ass hurt over being "left out" by people he erroneously believed to being his friends, his ridiculous rationalizations of own behavior, his involvement with a race cult, and the name of his boss theme.
>the name of his boss theme
Isn't Cease to Exist a fan name?
No, "Pokey Means Business" is the fan name, Cease to Exist ("イナクナリナサイ") is the listing on the official mother 2 CD from Japan. Also it's worth noting that the cave of the past sampled a beach boys song.
which Beach Boys song?
I figured the present is actually what ahppens if you don't defeat Giygas. Everyone's going loopy for no reason and I fgiured it's because Giygas = Evil.
time wars !
The past was the only place he could go to be safe from Ness, whom he feared. He could take as long as he needed to destroy him from the past
It means writers wanted to do something cool so they made it up on the spot. Almost all of EB is like this and I guess it doesn't matter, moronic fans just fill it in with muh pure abstract eldritch evil allegory for something deep nonsense.
My interpretation is that:
>Earthbound as a whole represents the sensations of childhood, the universal experience of being an imaginative child
>Giygas represents the loss of innocence (not some deep special snowflake childhood trauma, but the natural trauma that everyone universally goes through as they are maturing)
Those are just the obvious ones in my opinion. Dissecting the game past that point or assigning further specificity to the meanings is just silly and moronic.
Yes, Itoi based Giygas on a very specific moment in his childhood, but everyone sees some fricked up shit that scars them as a kid. It's just a part of life and it's probably not the only time he's experienced that.
Earthbound (maybe intentionally) feels like it was made by a child, and if that was what they were going for, then obviously it would have some arbitrary and naive plot elements that aren't supposed to have deeper meanings. That is how a child thinks.
The sheer amount of moronic "Sans is Ness"-tier fan that theories this game has spawned over the years makes me want to kill myself.
what would happen if giygas won?
Earthbound Giygas is Ness. Ness is profoundly psychic and his physic abilities manifest as enhancement of negative emotions in behavior of those around him, likely due to his own resentment over living in a fractured home. Buzz Buzz coming back in time sent Ness on his adventure which culminated in overcoming and destroying his own inner darkness, which in turn made Giygas's existence in the future impossible. To avoid being completely unmade, Giygas fled to the past, but none the less lost his physical form and most of his mind. Ness & co traveled back in time and destroyed what was left of Giygas, which, being little more than a ball of tangled negativity, was extremely vulnerable to simply being canceled out by positive emotions emitted by Ness and Paula.
AVGN tier theory
Giygas is Giegue from Mother 1, it's a translation error
The names are the same but the story is completely different. How would Giygas the alien have been defeated by Ness AFTER he had already taken over the world? Why would Giygas the alien give a shit about the hopes and prayers of his victims?
It was based on a scene from a movie that the director saw when he was a kid, a woman was being raped and it scared him.
I'm kind of confused about this thread because the game literally tells you what's happening
Pokey stole the time machine and brought it to Giygas, and they both went millions of years back into the past so that Ness and the gang couldn't reach them
It's simple really
Maybe the fetus imagery represents Giygas' desire to prevent Ness from being born (abort him) but he was unable to achieve this for some reason. I mean, why wouldn't he unless he couldn't?
The fetus imagery is because Giygas wants nothing more than to me a normal human child. He misses Maria. He wants to feel happy again.
perhaps he should have thought twice before letting himself get mindraped by his alien parents.
The fetus is totally unintentional. Itoi said it himself.
1. Giygas is defeated because of his emotions for Maria but promises to return
2. Presumably because he lost due to his emotions, he wanted to become more evil to strike back again stronger and not cry like a b***h this time. We are not sure if he turns into the red swirl before or during the events of Mother 2, but presumably during it as he couldn't really rule the universe in that form, so Buzz Buzz's future Giygas is likely the blue one from Mother.
3. He succeeds and rules the universe
4. Buzz Buzz comes back to the past to warn Ness
5. At some point the Apple of Enlightenment or whatever the English translation calls it foresses Giygas' defeat at the hands of Ness
6. He travels back in time (we are not sure if it's the future Giygas Buzz Buzz spoke about or present Giygas or whatever and we are not sure if he does so before or during the events of the game) so Ness can't get him
7. Dr. Andonutts makes a time machine
8. You chase him into the past and kill him. He doesn't just travel in back again because he has lost his mind and Porky is controlling him, and Porky wants to kill you and is also sure Giygas won't lose.
What I wanna know is why the Devil's Machine shows Ness' face before the fight. I assume that round thing IS the Apple of Enlightenment and it showing Ness' face is how it showed Giygas who would defeat him, but I could be wrong.
>What I wanna know is why the Devil's Machine shows Ness' face before the fight.
because it's reflective. case closed.
It is clearly not a reflection: it opens up like an anus and Ness's head comes out of it.
Wouldn't it just make more sense if it was Ninten's head?
What also doesn't make sense is, why the frick did Giygas flee to the past to escape defeat at the hands of someone who didn't exist and couldn't have beaten him even if he did? At least some of what we're told about him and his motivations can't be literally true, especially since we're not told what the connection between him and Ness is
I know that no one in this thread played EB by looking at those theories like lmao.
Gygias was literally send to the past sometime after Porky stole Apple Kid's inventions for him.
Like lmao at least look it up on the wiki.
How the frick did the entire Devil's Machine fit inside Apple Kid's invention? I always assume Porky used it alone to go and meet with Giygas.
Yeah I don't know what the guy you're talking about is on about, Giygas went to the past on his own, Pokey just followed him there
>thinking fictional time travel plays by any kind of rules
>especially in Earthbound
If Giygas is in the world’s past he’s making it so he’s always been there, all the pyramid shit acts he’s been doing this crap on and off for thousands of years and somehow pseudo egyptians repel him
He’s an entity that destroyed every memory and emotion of love that mattered to him in “hopes” that removing himself from mortal thought would transcend him to be the destroyer he desired to be.
It’s probably a metaphor of sorts because he’s now in perpetual torment, he can’t even remember the times where he’s been happy, so him retreating to the past is only possible physically, but not mentally. He can no longer form any attachments and is legitimately moronic because of the paradox of humanity being able to retreat to the past mentally, but not exactly physically.
Mostly at least because Giygas now has a bizarre attachment to Ness despite the kid being everything that destroyed him.
The connection between him and Ness is probably meant to be metaphorically if not literally an anti-parallel to Ness's self actualization and rejection of his own resentment and hangups. "Two wolves" taken to the logical extreme. Shit happens, you can wallow in it and let it eat you, or move on as best you can. And no matter how you try to hide your vulnerabilies, they're never really gone.
Which honestly makes fricking Pokey seem that much worse of a person. Even the ageless psychic alien who surrendered himself to a hopeless future in pursuit of power is still more human than some kid who's just genuinely psycopathic.