I played SOMA and liked it.
Any other games that give you existential crisis?
 UFOs Are A Psyop Shirt $21.68 |
 |
UFOs Are A Psyop Shirt $21.68 |
I played SOMA and liked it. Any other games that give you existential crisis?
I played SOMA and liked it.
Any other games that give you existential crisis?
UFOs Are A Psyop Shirt $21.68 |
|
UFOs Are A Psyop Shirt $21.68 |
People always think about how to open a portal, but what if you figure out how to open it and then can never close it again?
Things like gravity, ozone, electromagnetic fields, light, all kinds of things would slowly leak out in a way that's not supposed to be possible ordinarily and it might eventually result in the entire solar system being fricked up prematurely
OMG SHUT UP
this
you homosexuals are the reason video games aren't fun anymore
You're actually mentally challenged if you think this
>midwit overwhelmed by too much thinking
Well no shit. There's a reason the portal bait has never had an answer, the portals allow for all kinds of paradoxes.
Get two portals facing each other parallel to the ground and you can generate infinite energy off gravity.
You are not generating infinite energy and this would solve itself in multiple ways. For example the energy density of the portal would decrease by the amount of energy it transfers. If you ever heard of Hawking radiation, what really happens is that the outside space is given energy and that decreases the density of the black hole, but the loss of curvature predates loss of density. The space dictates the fate of the black hole, as if the black hole was a hologram, a mere shadow posed on space, and because the space of one place gains energy, the space of the black hole loses it and its curvature with it, literally constricting the black hole object into nonexistence.
And what do you think gravity is? Mass is moving through the Higgs field and this generates force known as gravity. It curves space around itself. What it means in practice is that all roads of space lead to the center of the Earth more likely than elsewhere. This force is not generated out of nowhere and the laws of thermodynamics are in motion. Your portal would require energy, and would need energy proportional to the space it is removing the energy from.
Incorrect
mostly correct, but for the average 4chinner dumb shits you dont need to get into more details (you are the dumb shit btw)
No
ye
sorry about your low iq
Last (You) because you're being rude and not practicing proper Ganker etiquette.
you're wrong
Nerd.
>DUUUDE WHAT IF THE PORTAL TO EQUESTRIA CLOSES AND YOU CAN'T GO BACK, WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO STAY ON EARTH???
Neigh. Permanent residence in Equestria it is, then.
what
shut up barneygay
dont mind him, hes a mentally ill barneygay
just build a wall around it
Read the book of all skies.
Put a plank against the portal, wow problem solved
Literally the entire plot of Half life and half life 2.
Pretty sure Stargate has some magic field that keeps all those things in while only allowing the good things to cross portals
Alhtough one might wonder how the portal makes the difference between a dildo and atmospheric particles
In one episode they open the portal to a planet orbiting a black hole and can't shut it down. Black hole influences earth through the stargate. It was interesting
A Matter Of Time
just close the door dude
Why do you assume that your consciousness is bound by some XYZ coordinates? Why would it disappear after your brain is relocated?
Because if you're exploded to pieces, you're still dead even if someone makes a perfect copy of you somewhere else.
Because your consciousness is a product of your brain and does not exist without it
don't @ me
>t. never megadosed mushrooms in his life
brain is a radio not a computer
any weird ideas you had while on shrooms is just proving the point that your consciousness is a product of your brain. your brain malfunctioned because you put weird shit in your blood and you experienced consciousness in a way that you normally do not. you would not have had this "burst of insight" if your consciousness was not a product of the way your brain organ was currently functioning
You can achieve even more outrageous states with meditation. I know for a fact that I do not exist.
>You can get more high than being on shrooms through meditation.
No you can't, moron.
I have done mushrooms in high doses and practiced meditation for a few years. You can get as "high" on meditation. Mushrooms aren't doing anything your brain cannot do by itself already. Psilocin is very similar to serotonin and thus attaches itself to 5HT1a and 5HT2a (among other) serotonin receptors and activates them. You can train yourself to do this spontaneously with your own neurochemistry, go into full blown tryptamine palaces and even beyond to absolute nothingness. Serotonergic psychedelics and some phenethylamines like mescaline just get you there without training. It is also effortless to walk around on psychedelics while in these states, something that is very hard to train to do by yourself.
Why are all druggies like this?
You aren't wise or super intelligent for getting fricked off your face and assuming the resulting hallucinations were real. It makes you an utter moron who nobody should listen to. You're pretty much on the same level as a flat earther or a UFO nut.
You are not wise or super intelligent for thinking the hallucinations you call sober are real.
Sure thing bro, we're all in the matrix!
I am not saying we are in the matrix. What you call sober is not real.
nobody knows and few would want to take the risk I'd imagine
>Why do you assume that your consciousness is bound by some XYZ coordinates?
Because everything we've discovered about the universe so far has been bound to space.
>electrons
>singularities
The bigger question is what happens to your soul in that brief period where the body is not there.
so what happens when someone makes a copy of your brain
Because you think of it as instantly moving you, when all it would do (presumably) is vaporize you and reconstruct the data elsewhere.
Interactive movie walking simulators are not games. have a nice day low iq ugly manlet incel.
keep seething while i enjoy all the games
I don't think the true horror of SOMA is the existential crisis but rather the fact that we lie to ourselves when faced with horrible truth. Deep down back in his mind, Simon knows he is doomed, he is not going anywhere. But he invents himself a nice fairytale that gives him hope and a reason to live for a little longer. We do this all the time. Everyone you know and love will die. That's why it is meaningful to go on and find meaning.
If you want pure existential crisis, play Metal Gear Solid 2 right after you finish 1. It also has the same ending as SOMA in a way.
>hylics are at it again
If you truly believe that a person is just a meat golem that happened by accident, you cannot claim you have a purpose in life without contradicting yourself.
>le epic gnosticism
purpose is something you give yourself. there not being any inherent absolute purpose to life does not mean your life is without purpose.
I look to the emptiness of the universe and I laugh.
you just give yourself a purpose for shit n giggles you autist, at least read nietzsche 101.
Star Trek converts you into energy and reassembles you, it is you that arrives, but it also breaks it's own rules and has that episode where Riker gets cloned.
The Swapper
Talos Principle
Same writer.
portals in hyperion kill you so it's NOT safe.
>portals in hyperion kill you so it's NOT safe.
No they don't, what? Ir am I remembering wrong?
Noo they don't.
yes they do, memorylets. I read it like 8 years ago and I still remember it clearly. your body disintegrates, the information is transmitted and a new you is created at the end location. this information was kept secret because nobody wants to die and it would destroy the economy and everything else.
this whole disintegration process is what powers the malicious AI which is the villain of the first two books.
Was this explained in one of the sequels? Cos I've read the first two and dropped it at the dogshit third book and that definitely wasn't the case in the first book
That's utterly wrong.
You don't die, the AIs need the brain functions of living humans passing through the farcasters. If you were dead passing through them the Technocore wouldn't have a use for it.
I don't get what's so scary about this. Like, as long as it's not painful, who cares? Both instances are me, so I place more value on the instance which is more conveniently positioned. Rev up the suicide booth, man! I already kill myself when I go to sleep each night, so why be so obsessed with preserving the current instance of my consciousness in favor of any other instance? That's just mindlessly following your instincts without really thinking about the implications.
Even if, hypothetically, the teleporter malfunctions and fails to suicide booth me, I'm not going to end up in one of those sci-fi tropes where my clone and I fight to the death. I'm going to walk out of the teleporter and end my life as efficiently as possible. My clone knows I will do this, because he is me, so he has no reason to do any of the usual bullshit and will simply continue on his way.
Your soul will not be teleported
Just teleport my soul with the rest dumbass
How do you know that? Are you saying that you can see a soul? Are you saying that whichever deity you believe in was such a bad artisan that it is so easy to create a soulless human?
>soul is strong enough to stay with you forever no matter what trauma and things you experience
>but if you teleport it gets lost
whoa
>I already kill myself when I go to sleep each night
No you don't. Your brain stays active even when you sleep.
But I am not aware, and without my awareness I am just a pile of meat.
Even with your awareness you are just a pile of meat, don't kid yourself.
But that's completely irrelevant, a computer doesn't stop functioning just because it enters screensaver mode. There is uninterrupted continuity between your brain before sleep and after sleep, which is not the same for destruction of cells.
But if your definition of dying is every time you lose awareness, i.e. yawning, getting zapped by static electricity, having a bucket of cold water poured over you, being jumpscared (which are all moments when the "aware" part of the brain take a backseat and instincts take over) then this discussion will never get far, so carry on.
That is my definition of dying, yes, but my entire point is that it doesn't scare me at all because it doesn't mean anything and is inevitable to begin with. There's no reason not to simply accept oblivion and allow my clone to walk out of the other end of the teleporter. I still consider that to be 'me' regardless of whatever arbitrary definition anybody else gives.
Alright bro, here's an easy one. You take your kid's toy in the middle of the night and replace it with an identical toy, and throw the other one away. No one knows except you.
Does your child have the exact same toy or a different one? Do trees make sounds when they fall in the forest if there's no one to hear them?
Replaying SOMA for the second time, what’s weird is there’s a lot of fricked up shit I don’t remember from my first playthrough like this
There are also a lot of hints sprinkled throughout the game that the ARK will be an existential nightmare world that I don’t remember either.
>my existence is so weak that moving atoms is enough to kill me
why are you so sure that the you that enters the portal is the you that exits it
why are you so sure that the you that wakes up each morning is the you that went to sleep
none of this matters
>why are you so sure that the you that wakes up each morning is the you that went to sleep
nta
i love contemplating this.
especially its relevanve to amnesia.
You are not, the dreams change you. But why does that matter? You dont stop existing when you dream, teleportation does involve no longer existing, at least for a very small time frame.
What is 'you'? How can you be said to exist while you are incapable of recognizing and perceiving your existence? That is the most basic tenet of sapience, and while you are sleeping, regardless of whether you are dreaming, it is lacking. 'You' is just your sapient stream of consciousness. If your sapience vanishes, then logic dictates that you also vanish.
The definition of death is the disjunction of the composite.
I know i exist because i'm thinking, perception has nothing to do with existence or sapience at all. I dont know if you are real though, but im without a doubt real and that doesnt change when i sleep, the only thing that changes then is my perception of reality, but that would also change if i become blind or death.
Death happens when i stop being aware of my own existence, we suppose that's what happens when our biological body "dies" (we don't have any proof of that though, but there is nothing we can do about that)
Awareness and perception are synonyms, anon. Each night you go to sleep, you cease to be aware of your existence while you are unconscious. It's really not any different to dying. You wake up and you can retroactively tell yourself that you existed while you were asleep, but a clone can do the same thing perfectly well, too.
Having your entire concept of self tied to the single unbroken consciousness is lunacy, frankly, and only works as long as you don't think too hard about it.
>You wake up and you can retroactively tell yourself that you existed while you were asleep, but a clone can do the same thing perfectly well
your point being? i'm real and the clone is not.
>hurr what if glowies kidnapped you during the night, ran you through a cloning machine and put the clone in your bed, you can't know that didn't happen!
then i'm an ersatz being and you can scratch the part about me being real. continued existence of physical matter i.e. "me" is what is important, not "continued awareness/perception"
>some of your braincells die during the night! you're not the same person anymore!
some of your braincells are dying as we speak yet you have continued awareness. even if a teleporter assembles you from the same material you still died when you were disassembled atom by atom. what comes out the other side is a clone made of the same material you're made of right now, you're still dead because your brain and body was obliterated even if it was reassembled later. if you claim that the teleporter being is you because it has your memories and thinks it's you, then the same would be true for clones not made of you and there would be multiple yous. souls don't transfer or get copied.
>your point being? i'm real and the clone is not
You are both real.
How exactly is a clone not real? What is your criteria for being real?
I'm not saying that continued perception is important, I'm saying that for 8 hours a night, 'you' does not exist in any meaningful fashion. That's just death by any other name. So what if you come back with no harm done, it still doesn't change the fact that you suffered ego death. You can't say with certainty that you existed in that time, all you can say is that you aren't sure you existed in that time.
Apply the same logic to a teleporter and it becomes clear that it doesn't really matter. You go to sleep because the 8 hours of sleep will improve you despite the ego death. You use a teleporter because the new location will improve you despite the ego death.
All you need to do is create a contract with yourself to do everything in your power to leave no loose ends if you decide to take an action that involves undergoing ego death in order to improve yourself.
The MMO I'm playing uses cloning as a respawn mechanic.
Heat Signature had an even more extreme version of left, where teleporters didn't even transports bits of you to another location but created a clone there instead and then instantly vaporized you.
that's how all teleporters work. you die when you go in it.
Yes but teleporters usually take you apart and reconstruct you elsewhere. This one doesn't, it reconstructs you first out of matter it has stored up and then kills the original after. It's a small difference ultimately, but it does mean that the other body isn't even made from the same materials as the first.
I’m sure there’re some teleporters that work by bending space and bridge the gap between two points, like Zero Shift
A is so good, you get to die but the people who know you won't think you killed yourself and everything is fine
>sprint into the right portal
>arrive at the other side at 0mph
This is what A-gays actually believe.
Now reverse it.
nice meme homosexual. thats not a teleporter thats a cloning machine with a vaporizer addon. a teleporter actually teleports all of your existing atoms to another place. no copying involved
No one would ever use a teleporter if it killed you.
>no one would ever take the vaccine if it killed you
The difference is in numbers which you don't post because your rhetoric would fall like a house of cards. Even aspirin kills people.
you cant prove that the teleporter kills people, because from an outsider's perspective it doesnt
anyone saying the teleporter kills people will be called a conspiracy theorist
But you can do it with the vax.
which has been proven
and people still dont believe it
Yes, vax killed thousands of people in billions of vaxed patients while covid killed millions of people. Aspirin kills more people every year than the vax. What is your point?
the vaccine kills healthy people, covid doesnt
people were already dying from the common cold before covid
births are also down over 20% in every heavily vaccinated country, just a coincidence of course
Violent murder incidence increases when people buy more ice cream. Do you think people kill more because more ice cream is consumed? Because that is your argument.
of course it's just a coincidence
this is exactly my point
even if the teleporter kills you, people will still use it because they wont believe that it kills you
the government said it was safe
the media said it was safe
the teleporter companies said it was safe
internet activists said it was safe
If billions of people take something and thousands die it's very safe, yes.
I would, if I could set it up so it doesn't kill me. I'd love to have clones of myself and I genuinely wouldn't mind being a clone either so long as I don't suffer accelerated aging or other bullshit.
>SOMA
>existential crisis
Are you 12?
>existential crisis
Too bad I don't save any soijaks.
Being Born Kills You
>That is my definition of dying, yes
you're dumber than the people who believe in the coin flip
I couldn't stand playing SOMA, literal moron-bait. If you ever even read an introduction to the philosophy of mind it's just reddit nonsense. Go back to being awed by 10 min youtube videos.
>game poses complicated moral dilemma
I'd probably doubt that he'd kill the five rather than the one but he could just be an idiot. Either way I'd likely freeze up and the trolley would go where it goes.
i shoot the guy on the top tracks
now the man at the lever can divert the trolley to the now empty track
i am a murderer
i am a hero
top obviously.
Chances are you are going to kill at least 1 persons on the bottom, at least you have a little better than a 1/7 chance of not killing anyone.
Pass trolley over and over until all the 75% guys have taken damage
If it's Darkest Dungeon and you go bottom you kill 5 people.
If my math is right the odds of it not killing anyone at the bottom is about 23.7%. So if you want to go for potentially zero casualties that's the better option. But of course there's a chance that it might kill more than one person.
Its not.
Also going off last 2 in the post as the roll, the very first person it hit died in your post. 4 more to go, you monster.
What's the correct likelyhood then?
Also there' a 75% chance of survival so any number below or equal to 75 as my last two digits means the person survived. My hands are clean for now
Why would rolling a 99 result in a "failure".
Yes I have DnD autism.
Also your right, bottom is 23%, I am stupid and thought there was 6 people in the bottom track.
>95
oof, 3 to go, 1 down then.
Let's roll the next one
lol
lmao
statisticgays this is you
They probably deserved it. Rolling for second to last
And rolling the last guy
Well the majority survived so I call this a rousing success
as longs as more than one died it means that you failed
by picking the other route you limit fatalities to 1
The top had an 85% likelyhood of a 100% casualty rate, so on average the top casualty rate would be 85%. I on the other hand only had a 40% casualty rate, more than twice as good. I win.
No way, that would be illegal.
ship of theseus
Imagine being the kind of person who actually values their own life so much that they genuinely think the SOMA thing is anything to consider whatsoever.
For me, it's warping
I was always annoyed by hugh jackmans line in The Prestige about never knowing if he's gonna end up being the one drowning or receiving applause.
he's ALWAYS gonna be the one drowning, if he's the one who steps into the teleporter, isnt he?
>assume you have a girlfriend
Doctor, I'm afraid I'm unable to continue this thought experiment
kek
Time to take my own virginity.
>time-travel is possible
ok
>assume you have a girlfriend
...
My very own gang bang.
Sonds very cool and morally acceptable
If it's a perfect clone then it's still (You)
I disagree. If the original is destroyed that means you are destroyed, you experience your end
yeah real life. try shrooms and edibles.