i wanna start a tcg with my best friend. should we start Magic (most likely edh) or Yugioh?
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i wanna start a tcg with my best friend. should we start Magic (most likely edh) or Yugioh?
You can't start either of those, they've already been made. Start something original.
MtG specifically EDH because it's literally the only card game that actively promotes a heavy casual format that (mostly) down cries competitive nonsense.
Ever other cards game from Rune, Hearthstone, Flesh&Blood, Digimon to even fricking Keyforge(!?) and Netrunner are always trying to run in the competitive direction.
And if competitive isn't your scene? "Oh... well you can always just play with your friends at the kitchen sink. Most of us play in ranked thou" Great thanks...
Meanwhile this era of MtG EDH is the only format that puts on fricking official events that aim at not being a sweat completive buttholes.
And I can not believe of all the fricking card games it's god damn MtG that came to this realization first.
>Netrunner use to be 1st... but they pushed that competitive scene way too hard...
>MtG specifically EDH because it's literally the only card game that actively promotes a heavy casual format that (mostly) down cries competitive nonsense.
that's so 2015, get on with the times old man, EDH is de facto the main MTG Format, and so now is competitive to the maximum
This is such a moronic take. "Casual" format means different things to different people, but generally it means "I can play my peg deck and do well", which requires you to either want to play the "competitive" decks, or to specifically limit all the better decks than yours without ruining your pet deck.
Basically, wanting to win with bad decks isn't something that can be solved. Get good or play something that isn't a directly combative game with one winner.
>play something that isn't a directly combative game
I think he did. It's called EDH.
>attack each other to win
>non-combative
Mtg is completely dead outside of a dogshit casual 4 player format called edh only played by amerimutt transfats. If you want a 1v1 card game play yugioh.
This plus hasbro will come to you house with armed goons if you somehow got a set early add in black aragrorn and hasbro activally hates it's customers. Atleast the yugioh company will give you cute girls since it's fanbase is weebs
Dude, you forgot to mention that all WoTC judges without exception are convicted and registered child didlers.
If you're just playing casually with a friend then either is fine. I play Yugioh with mine but we have completely different playstyles. I play a burn deck with Mahaama and he plays either Red Eyes or Mikanko.
It's really a fricking awful time to get into Magic right now. It's heartbreaking what WOTC is doing to that game, it's been bad for years now but it just keeps getting worse and worse. I can't in good conscience recommend it. I haven't played Yugioh since 2014 but it cannot possibly be getting raped to death harder than Magic is at the moment.
Warlord: Saga of the Storm (returning soon)
or
Magi Nation ccg (returning soon)
Everything else is trash (Digimon is tolerable)
Glad to see another enjoyer of good ccgs. Hope our games can enter the big 5 by the end of 2025
Yugioh might be cheaper, I looked at magics meta there fricking decks are over 1000 dollars. There is something about old magic that is attractive.there new cards have some soulless Chinese art station tier art.yugioh reprinted all there meta cards recently and it was based.
Getting a meta deck in ygo is gonna cost you $500-$1000 as well depending on the format and deck choice.
If you choose Yugioh, you either wanna go with Speed Duels (simple to pick up and cheap) or a legacy format. The current format is moderately difficult to get into, but Speed Duel and Edison are pretty easy.
You also have Duel Links, which is a phone game based on Speed Duel format but isn't officially supported in paper. What you can do is look up decklists for their card pool and order cards for those decks for tabletop play, or just stick to digital play if you wanna go that route. You get a taste of the modern game that way without being burdened by most of its faults.
Current meta decks, sure. Anything that's been reprinted at least once is typically cheap though. The silver lining is that they (typically) don't stay expensive forever since we have annual reprints. You can construct a Labrynth deck for pretty cheap, or Floowandereeze for around $20-50 depending on how many Advents you include.
That's horseshit. They regularly release structure decks so you can make meta archetype decks for $30. That's like saying you can't get into edh without spending $1500, you can have fun with a $40 precon. Yugioh singles are way fricking cheaper than Magic too. Unchained is T1 right now and their new support is less than $10 a card. Pot of Prosperity is a tenth the price of Demonic Tutor.
https://ygoprodeck.com/tournament/ycs-bologna-1125
There are 4 decks in the top 32 of the most recent ycs under $500. I'm not talking about building a playable deck, this was specifically in comparison to top meta decks of mtg which cost around $1000. Yes you can build a cheaper deck, but we're trying to compare apples to apples here, not oranges.
That anon was talking about meta decks, not decks, period.
You do understand that meta has a meaning right? 3 fire king structure decks are not meta without the diabellstar package, s:p, zeus, ty-phon and other generic staples. It's a playable deck, it's even a fun deck, but it's not the Most Effective Tactic Available.
>insert yugioh player reading joke here
>buying cards
People actually give value to cards just because they're were printed with ~~*official*~~ printers? Especially if one can print mtg cards on play card paper and pic 300gsm weight to them
No, moron. Speed Duel cards in particular are extremely cheap since they come in guaranteed sets with 4 or 8 decks (depending on the type) and in both games people proxy all the time. You might be too young to remember a time when people would just take some bulk commons and write the name of other cards on it with a sharpie.
You can smell the butthurt MTGstonksgays that’s assmad that his Black Lotus is toilet paper now.
>why tho?
Your about 10 years late minimum to get into tcgs as the sunken cost fallacy is the only thing keeping the current players (I was one)
Play a skirmish game like killteam or saga or some strategy board game it will be cheaper and they are still games at the core unlike current era tcgs.
Magic but only because Proxying is so much easier than YuGiOh. You can easily make dozens of 60 card decks for the cost of a single good YuGiOh deck.
counterpoint: yugioh has multiple better free simulators than magic, if you're gonna proxy just use one of those.
Honestly? If I were you and your friend, I would just go out and buy a bunch of blank index cards. Then sit down for a couple of hours one day and just write out your own rules for a card game that you just play between the two of you. Then every time you guys meet up, write out some more cards. Gradually, over time you all will build a huge library of cards like a real TCG, but it's a fraction of the cost and it's more fun.
Keep all your cards in a big box and every time you play, do a draft with them.
>But that would take too long! Magic and Yugioh take too long too
>But we aren't creative!
Steal ideas from the actual TCGs
>But that sounds like a lot of work
Then go play on your computer or something you little homosexual
>But we can't draw! What if we want our cards to look good?
Have you ever heard of SOUL? I would rather look at some moron anon's stick figure drawings with fireball scribbles than anything MtG has put out in the past 10 years
>B-but some other thing or reason why it won't work
SHUT THE FRICK UP AND GO DO IT YOU FRICKING moron BEFORE I COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND RAPE YOU
>Some other anon's response about why he shouldn't just make his own TCG with his bros
YOU TOO
Neither . Both are trash for separate reasons. Post your interest in shows and hobbies and we will pick something. If I had to pick mtg. Get 2 packs of original jumpstart or the new ones (not set jumpstart) each. Each pack contains a complete theme and 2 packs will give you a fully playable non competitive 2 color deck.
There’s only one option.
magic is so fricked up now that annihilator doesn't do anything anymore because every card generates six tokens and a blowjob
If you're curious in ygo play master duel. You won't want to after the homosexual MMR matches you and your starter deck against a dozen metadecks.
Magic is shit. It died like 10 years ago. The art is horrible now, the designs are nonsensical, the cards are overpriced. And to top it off, nobody playing anything but shitty EDH, which amps the moronic board states up to a thousand. WotC is a pozzed shit company that is more interested in making white characters black than making good games.
YGO has a couple of the same problems (ridiculous card design, expensive) but it is overall much better. Cards are higher quality, people actually play the normal game, and so on. But if you want my honest opinion, TCGs just suck nowadays. Maybe I'm too old for it, but they jjst feel soulless now compared to the 90s and early 2000s. All of them.
>both are shit but you have to choose the less shity of them
nay
choose a different game and thats it.
they jjst feel soulless now compared to the 90s and early 2000s. All of them.
the thing is that we have the internet. we have netdecking, but we also have access AND information to all existing cards. Back then if you played a red goblin tribal deck you just bought booster sets, collected with your friends, or checked the binder of your friendly local store and just got a new goblin in your booster that fits your deck and you have never heard about before. It was magical. You had limited ressources and worked with it. Nowadays you can max out the potential of your deck with enough money just by checking the internet.
Play one of the Yugioh classic formats. Anything before 2008.
Edison is better than any format before it hands down.
MTG is already on it’s last legs. But I guess you could find all you need for a competitive deck on your nearest landfill.
I'm tired of pretending the DBZ card game isn't good
Play the DBZ CCG
Is it unironically good? I kind of want to try it.
Here’s the response to that in one image
>Nu-magic vs Nu-gi-oh
Pick your form of degeneracy
>yuri (attractive)
>dykes (ugly)
hmm what a difficult choice...
for all of the horrible dogshit that is going on in MtG at least it is a solidly good game on a core mechanical level, unlike yugioh
the above is not an opinion it is irrefutable fact. Do not respond to me with anything saying the contrary. Feel free to offer other reasons to choose one game over the other.
>least it is a solidly good game on a core mechanical level
>when that's never was true since alpha
>when the game prints stupid stuff like this all the time
>when the rotation format has been proven time and time again to be a scam
That's a joke card from a joke set.
>Complains about rotation
Jesus christ why can't yugicucks just talk about the positives about their game. Here I'll do it for you. I think the hungry burger archetype was a good idea to take a shit card and make a cute archetype around it. It's got a solid power level without being super oppressive.
>joke card from a joke set
>The fact that MTG is so shit that you need to specify this is a joke
>But cards that allow you to play stuff from your friend’s binder are meant to be taken seriously
Anon that's moronic it's like me posting the creator and complaining about it's auto win ruining tournaments. You're embarrassing yourself
The Creator allows you to play stuff from your friend’s binder?
Nta but absolutely bad faith. How about discussing your tcgs highlights instead of being a pathetic tool
>absolutely bad faith
It’s isn’t that, the original anon said that mechanically, at it’s core MTG was superior to YGO when I posted the most recent example that it’s not. Then the next reply was something stupid that didn’t even had anything to do with the reply chain, if anything
is the person here acting on bad faith.
>How about discussing your tcgs highlights
The person who made this thread did not make it about that, he made it about which one of the two he and his friend should pick over the other and why. And that was my argument, because Yugioh doesn’t do stupid shit like that and pretends to be fun because of that.
Yet again bad faith. He posted a non legal card from a joke set. Then made up an imaginary card. Also op clearly wanted discussion on why each card game is good. You're doing a very bad job on keeping on topic
>He posted a non legal card from a joke set
And then he said that the fact that this has to be explained should make you understand why you shouldn’t pick MTG in the first place. And it is a fair point.
Then I pointed out I could do the same with yu-gi-oh promos. Guess yugioh is shit too! You are completely idiotic and yet again arguing in bad faith over promos and non tournament legal cards. Might as well generate a fake card that says you have to have gay sex and use that to argue
>same with yu-gi-oh promos
Those promos specify that on the front and none of them have effects or that would make them want to be played even if you could unlike MTG where that thing is a game breaker.
>Might as well generate a fake card that says you have to have gay sex and use that to argue.
The way things are going for Magic I might not even have to generate said card
>again arguing in bad faith
You assume that I’m the original guy and that every argument against what you believe is bad faith.
Also, you had to pick an exaggerated and barely connected exampl to have something even close to a rebottle… again.
>effects or that would make them want to be played
Oh yes, how could i forget, the effect everyone wants to play, the "take a card you paid money for and rip it into pieces so you can't play with it", how could they put such a competitive effect into my game in a JOKE SET of all places!!! This card
should be utterly ILLEGALIZED and the entire printing of the joke set should have an identifier that it's a joke and not playable in a serious match, like a border that's distinctly a different color from the classic black border of normal MTG cards (or white for old reprints), or a symbol on the front designating which set the card's been printed in! The incompetence of WotC! Set fire to their offices right now! Get rats to eat their cardstock before it's been put to the printers!
if you want to stop the exaggeration, you should be the first.
NTA but from I've seen, if you have to explain that that card is meant to be taken as a joke, that means your whole game is a joke
Op here. Your a gag. I appreciate they told me it was a joke card. I looked it up and it seemed like a cool idea. I saw some cool space lands in one.
I want a starter set that isn't horrid. Might as well ask me to got to the card shop and buy 40 random cards from the bulk bins they have
>the fact that this has to be explained should make you understand why you shouldn’t pick MTG in the first place.
How so? Why does a game having courage to make jokes about itself in a special, joke-only set, make it shit? Because the cards look real to some shitposter? I don't think so, bro.
That's not what a sideboard is, plus you don't own those cards anyway, now stop being stupid. No, you stealing them two minutes earlier didn't make you the owner. Stealing the cards from the shop doesn't make you the owner either, return them peacefully or we'll go to court.
Ohnononono you can't use facts!! Please return to shit posting NOW! How will I win a pointless argument I started if you're right
>from your friend’s binder?
There's no actual card that's lets you do this.
Certainly not real legal, no un-set, no hero-of-realm, no holiday card, not sliver boarder. Nothing.
Post this mystery card.
NTA but it's not a card, it's a whole mecanic.
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Wish
>card you own from outside the game
Oh so the entire
's point about "play stuff from friends binder" isn't true at all and he really was just shitposting, oh what a surprise
>isn't true at all
You are assuming that the average WoTC judge isn’t corrupt to an almost hilarious degree
What does that even mean? Judges in a tournament are corrupt and allow you to steal cards?
Can you read?
>A Wish is an effect that brings one or more cards "you own from outside the game" into the game...
>In a casual (eg Kitchen sink) game, a card you choose from outside the game comes from YOUR personal collection.
>In a tournament event (any official event done at your LGS or any Online games) , ... must come from your SIDEBOARD.
And in no case can it ever come from your Friend binder or collection
>And in no case can it ever come from your Friend binder or collection
>pick Friend’s binder
>this is my SIDEBOARD
>presto
Sir the side board is limited to a certain number of cards and must be registered before the tournament. I rule the spell fizzles as you do not have a legal sideboard
>Sir the side board is limited to a certain number of cards and must be registered
Both specified in part step two. There’s also nothing about not being able to where I should keep them when I’m not playing them
Yes their is anon. Their are rules on where you have to keep a sideboard in mtg and yugioh.
>pick Friend’s binder
A Wish is an effect that brings one or more cards "YOU OWN from outside the game"
Once again. From the very links that you post: Can. You. Read?
Oh no... How could you possibly play a card game where you have to bring an extra side deck to play with your main deck? Clearly this would make the entire system unplayable.
>Jesus christ why can't yugicucks just talk about the positives about their game.
You know why.
They didn't really make an archetype around Hungry Burger, though I'm happy that they included Hungry Burger in their setup
>>when that's never was true since alpha
Man, frick that. Alpha sucked and I hate players as old as me that say other wise.
Aside from the same power 9 + 4 cards that everyone goes on and on about the set is mostly full of nothing 2/2 bears. And was horribly unfun to play. I picked it up at the time and was bored to tears, and dropped it missing out on the goodies from Legends and Antiquities.
The game got substantially better and more involved with later sets. I got sucked back in at Visions/Mirage when it had creatures that weren't shit to play constantly.
Do you have Autism AND ADHD or just the Autism? That's the YGO vs Magic question.
AKA, do you have only the patience to read your own cards and just want to pop off combos in 3 turns or less(YGO), or do you want to develop an encyclopedic knowledge of everyone's cards and effects, and a match could take anywhere from 10 minutes to 2 hours(MTG)
You can't do shit in yugioh if you don't have encyclopedic knowledge of past and current matchups. It works when you're stomping morons in online simulators, but in most other contexts that's how you end up getting embarrassed by a shitposter's $40 petdeck with your $300 meta deck.
>My opponent is on Floowandereeze? I don't know how that works so I'll just do my gimmick puppet lock to prevent them from Special Summoning and call it a day...
Depends on what your endgame is. If you both want to get into a card game and go with your mate to locals and comps, then I would recommend Yu-Gi-Oh because I play Yu-Gi-Oh and think it's fun. The meta's healthy at the moment and there's a lot of fun decks to play.
If you're just playing with a couple of mates, Magic is king though. EDH, Cube draft, pauper, there's a lot of formats that provide a lot of variety with very low buy-in. In Yu-Gi-Oh you pick out the decks you want to play and cycle through them, but in Magic you can just trawl through cards and throw together something that works. It's just better suited to casual play.
A bit dishonest imo. Yugioh meta may be healthy right now but it has the most volatile meta of any tcg. Peak yugioh is using a free simulator to play goofy shit decks against your friends or doing dumb shit you saw a YouTuber do on his series.
>acquire tabletop simulator on Steam
>play any TCG from the comfort of your own home over the internet without spending any further money
>also play other tabletop games
Even as a longtime MTG player it is hard to recommend a new person to start without realizing what they're getting into. Gain experience with the game before buying in.
Whatever you do, don't do EDH. It may be fine 1v1 if a bit too random, as it uses 99 card singleton decks and a lot of Magic card history is made with being able to play up to 4 of them in mind, but EDH/Commander frequently is worse than fine because usually you play with 4 people per game, turning a fun duel into a messy slog where the only winning move is not to play. 4 player diplomacy really doesn't work when combined with the rest of MTG's rules, and that's before you start adding commander-specific bs into the mix.
Instead consider Cube draft, as it's as cheap or as expencive as you make it, can still be singleton if that's your jam, can have multiple copies of cards in it if you want some consistency instead, and it's just fun to start a play session not knowing what you'll end up playing by the end of it. Alternatively, i hear Pauper is kinda cool too
Op here. Thanks to the mtg people discussing the game. I looked into the jumpstart thing and a box of it sounds cool. To the yugioh people... Y'all couldn't even post a starter set or something?
if you're gonna get jumpstart be warned there's two kinds of js sets: actual original jumpstart with year number in the name, the good ones, and the ones released alongside another set, with that sets name in the name, the meh ones. The good ones are better because the packs have more cohesion within themselves, and more cooperation between each other, plus there's just more pack variants too and not one or two per color and that's it. good luck with your pulls bro
as for YuGiOh, there's only two formats people play, the "anything goes if it's not banned" aka Advanced, and "anything printed before this cutoff date goes(cutoff date to be discussed before a match)" where you get your goats, edisons, and everything else. For Advanced, be prepared for a world of turn two or three wins (counting like Player One gets turn 1, player two gets turn 2, player one gets his second turn at turn 3, and usually wins if he didn't die yet) since that's what most decks better than a random mishmash of non-effect monsters tend to do. For the other format, i have no idea but it probably depends on which/how many Special Summon mechanics are allowed and what support for them is printed before the cutoff.
Yeah I saw that. The original jumpstart poster talked about set jumpstarts being bad, why is that?
Also does yugioh have any starter sets or a good set like jumpstart to start us off?
>why is that?
Less card variety
Original and '22 Jumpstart have 46 themes, 7 per color and one extra. Set Jumpstart have only 10 themes, 2 per color, and each of the two in the color share mechanics because all cards are from one set, it's too limited a cardpool to do jumpstart with.
>have to explain
Stop exaggerating please, it upsets original shitposter anon that we blow his mistake out of proportion. He didn't know that having to tear a card into pieces is actually undesireable, and is clearly a joke that doesnt need explaining if you have some brains in yer skull, give him a rest already.
Don’t pick Magic, the game is on its last legs and people only used to keep it alive due to stonks memes
>He didn't know that having to tear a card into pieces is actually undesireable
To be fair, MTG cards are basically toilet paper now so it’s not like it’s out of place of proportion
>I looked into the jumpstart thing
Warning.
Cause WotC is you know... a little predatory. There are "Real" jumpstart sets, and there are "Set" Jumpstart sets.
Any Jumpstart boxes or packs that are based off a pre-existing Set are always scams. Do no buy.
Any jumpstart products that have no relation to a base set, have been a homerun knock out of the park awesome, and are infact awesome places to jump into this game with.
too bad WotC intentionally makes it so fricking confusing.
So look for Jumpstart "Original" (I forget the year), or Jumpstart 2022.
Skip anything that's "Jumpstart: Name-of-Some-Set"
Yugioh is about to sell these so that two people can learn the game at the same time. You don't even need to buy external product to make them tournament worthy. Howeber... It's like learning to drive with a sports car so there's that
This is a lie. It's a prescripted two player duel set that comes with absolute trash cards by modern standards. It might be able to teach you card types and rules but you're left with a trash pile afterwards. No joke get two structure decks like the traptrix one and fallen of albaz would be a better bet
>you're left with a trash pile afterwards.
>Zeus on the box
Suuuure
Shit comes with dark magician with no support cards and swords of revealing light.. Yeah you get zeus but theirs no point if the decks are a garbage pile that can't win at any locals. Get a precon deck like traptrix
Moving the goalpost. Op didn't ask for a starter set that can win games against other decks
The contents of the decks hasn't even been revealed yet liar-kun, these are the only cards we know that are in there so far
>Mannadium Prime-Heart
>Divine Arsenal AA-ZEUS – Sky Thunder
>Magic Cylinder
>Phantom King Hydride
>Cyber Dragon
>Eldlich the Golden Lord
>Visas Starforst
>Quillbolt Hedgehog
>Gagaga Magician
>Dark Magician Girl
>Beast King Barbaros
>Galaxy Cyclone
Soooo you are recommending it based on nothing? At least I was straight forward that you'll get cards that are good but not a cohesive deck. The decks are made to be played against each other to learn the basics but are definitely not a good way to learn modern yugioh. I promise you they are too slow and have no cohesive theme other than this is how you do blank summoning and this is how you chain. Plenty of actual answers like the gx and dm box sets and trap trix, why would you still this?
I'm not the anon that recommended it.
By defending it you are recommending it genius
I'm not defending it? It's a shit product, I'm just calling you out for lying about knowing what's in it.
Do you think it's a cohesive deck ready to play? Because your list isn't a good one even if we split the cards between 2 decks
No I don't. You said the set comes with dark magician and swords, neither of which are announced to be in the set, that's all.
Hmm I've seen discussion where people said they were show to be in it post announcement. You may be right. I still don't believe it's a good starter set but I may be partially misinformed
https://ygorganization.com/cards-confirmed-for-2-player-starter-set-tcg/
>tournament worthy
Wtf? Seriously?
It's a little harder to recommend a starter set for Yugioh since the game uses extended format as its default. Earlier in the thread I recommended Speed Duel format or using a kitchen sink version of Duel Links (which again doesn't have physical support so you'd need to build that yourselves)-- every Speed Duel box is a starter set for Speed Duel format since for $20 (or $10 if you go with a mini-box) you get 8 pre-constructed decks (or 4 for minis) that are ready to play. Keep in mind that the format isn't representative of the current format since that format is curated with the two goals in mind of simplicity and catering to fans of the anime, but it's still a good ice breaker if you want to get into the game at a casual level.
To answer this question directly,
>Duel Academy
>Midterms Mini-Box
>Duelist of Shadows
>Streets of Battle City
These four sets in particular have a pretty good range of diversity in regards to what you actually get from the sets. 8 decks each for everything except the Midterms mini-box, which typically sells for about 6 bucks on Amazon since it wasn't a particularly popular set. It comes with Gate Guardian goodstuff though and I'm a sucker for Gate Guardian goodstuff.
I can also recommend some Structure Decks for the current format, but keep in mind that Structure Decks and Starter Decks are two different things. We haven't had the latter in ages and the one we were supposed to get in October got delayed, while Structure Decks are built with the purpose of building off of them (hence the Structure-). They don't come with manuals.
Also keep in mind that contextually, people recommend Structure Decks at 3, or bare minimum 2 copies, because you pack them with 3 copies of your consistency cards.
>Beware of the Traptrix
This one is tailored with everything you need to build a full main deck, extra deck, and sideboard. It actually some some regional success when it was initially released. You will ruin friendships if you run it though since it's a control deck and a pretty decent one at that. One huge turn-off for people is that Traptrix is majority e-girls, but for all that it's worth you're playing as Chris Hansen rather than the people that Chris Hansen entraps when you're running it. Make of it what you will.
>Fire Kings
This one is in a similar boat to the above, but it's a little less coy about it since the deck is packed with a lot of really good generic staples. It works extremely well with some extremely expensive modern cards (the Sinful Spoils engine) so if you wanna drop about $300 on it you can make it competitively viable. I also mentioned earlier in this thread that expensive shit doesn't stay that way since we get annual reprints, so give that some time.
>Legend of the Crystal Beasts
In the actual game? This deck freaking stinks. If you're just playing in the scope of Structure Decks? Pretty alright. It rounds off some of the problems with that dusty old archetype with some pretty alright support cards, and gives them an archetypal AA-Zeus that you can use to swing for game pretty easily. It's all that Cyber Strike wanted to be (don't get Cyber Strike).
>Albaz Strike
This one has the core of the Branded engine in it, which is a highly generic Fusion engine that can be splashed in a very wide range of decks (with the caveat that you lock yourself into summoning Fusion Monsters at certain points). It also comes with the skeleton for a Chaos or Dragon Link engine, but in the scope of structure decks neither of those are a thing.
>The Crimson King
I uh, actually have not gotten the opportunity to pick this one up. However, I have seen some good stuff involved with it. The biggest drawback I saw while playing against it is that you need to bring a good number of expensive cards into the mix to round it out, but after the Rarity Collection that number of expensive cards is slightly smaller.
>Dark World R
This one's a high roller deck that does something similar to Legend of the Crystal Beasts, with the key difference that it's doing it to an archetype that doesn't freaking stink on ice. The new DW support in the forms of the fusion spell and new fusion monster are pretty great, and it also comes with an (almost-)complete Danger!Dark World engine.
This deck will teach you two important things; [Discard]ing as an Activation Cost and by Card Effect are two different things, and actions need to occur exactly as described for their trigger conditions to be fulfilled. [Discard] is not just the act of sending a card from your hand to the GY, it's an explicit keyword in this game. There are a lot of ways to [Send a card from your hand to the GY], but only one of them counts as [Discard]ing, being to [Discard] it. The card text reads more like a programming language than basic english, if that makes sense.
I don't strongly recommend Dark World R until you get broken into the game more. But it is a very cool set.
>They don't come with manuals.
I will make one slight correction on this; They don't come with Instruction Manuals on how to play the game overall, but on the back of the paper playmats they come with, they have deck-specific instructions on how to do some basic plays with the decks. It doesn't do much to teach you the game as a whole, but it counts for something since they planned out some plays in advance.
Yugioh doesn't have a current starter set, and even if it did it would be one of the worst ways to learn the game. It's not a game you can just pick up, you gotta get someone to teach you.
DO NOT become a paypig for WotC. Buying into MtG is the dumbest fricking thing you could do right now. Don't listen to the paypig homosexuals in this thread telling you that one specific format is better or that it's totally great as long as you just spend a few hundred dollars on a deck. IT'S NOT FRICKING WORTH IT.
YGO is only marginally better, but in either case you'd be best off if you just didn't buy any cards and did everything digitally with the many fan-made programs.
No one's asking me to do that. Try reading the thread. Just the shitposters talking about tourney decks using hyperbole
I'm gonna have to side with the digital folks when it comes to Yugioh, either playing the old GBA games or Duel Links or some simulator, you're gonna want access to all the cards and be able to use them to really dig into your own master plan of how to win. As for starter sets, I haven't kept up with yugioh in awhile, a few months ago I bought Traptrix decks because that was the rage, but we'll have to wait until someone who is current can vouch or deny its feasibility
Some good mtg advice, Jumpstart 2020 and 2022 are really fun. I would avoid buying from Amazon, as people will frequently buy, open up packs, take anything of value, and return the fricked up product. Amazon will reshelf it and sell it to others, it fricking sucks.
Another cheaper entry to the game is the 2022 Standard preconstructed decks. They aren't relevant anymore but are very cheap. You can pick up all 4 cheaper than a box of JS.
Here is an article by a magic pro going over the decks: https://www.channelfireball.com/article/Challenger-Decks-2022-Review-Upgrades-and-Rankings/3793d785-43c6-417d-aeb1-6a75605027bd/
EDH is not Magic
Very correct. But real magic died in like 2009-2012... somewhere around there? And if you can't believe the older date it was at least by when MHII hit.
At least EDH is a use for all my defunked games cards.
Hey, you other morons that are arguing about moronic shit; Shut up.
MtG is only worth it if you prohibit cards made after and including the 2018 core set.
Additionally commander is the absolute worst for 2 players, just go kitchen casual, which is 60 card decks of whatever you think is cool.
The 2018 cutoff is essential though, that's when they threw out their strict design rules that made the game great and started selling out to 3rd party properties for short term fanboy profits, that's when MLP, Walking Dead, etc... became part of the game and power creep/rules bloat both got out of hand.
Hey you dumb morons, the 2P set isn't even out yet. It could be the most goated set in the world or the biggest stinker you could imagine, but we just don't know since we don't know the actual contents of the decks. Go have your gay slapfight over Discord or something.
you can get in on the groundfloor of Lorcana, I 100% guarantee you two grew up watching Disney movies, and you would slot right in. deck your favorite movie characters. it plays similarly to the two card games combined, and it's brand new.
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the colors represent playstyles, and you need two colors in a deck. there's currently some good ones to choose from. it was expensive when it launched because it had supply issues and was getting scalped, but the supply issues have been fixed and the price balanced. go for it if you're just now getting into a TCG.