If I want to get into the Legend of Zelda franchise, should I start at the beginning and play them all, or should I just play the ones that are considered the best?
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play in order and these games only:
Zelda 1
A Link to the Past
Ocarina of Time
Twilight Princess if you're a tiny bit gay
ignore everything else. anyone who tells you anything different is wrong. you're welcome
basically the same answers, so guess I'm playing those 5. For Twilight Princess, is the GC or Wii version better to play?
GC by far. Wii version has shitty controls, missing features, and the entire world is mirrored because this version was rushed after they decided it would be a Wii launch title and needed to make link right handed. extremely moronic version.
GC but you don't 'have to' play it before anything else. I don't know why that anon recommended TP of all games. After going through the other 4 just check the screenshots or gameplay videos of various Zelda games and decide for yourself
because it's the best Zelda that came after OoT and the last retro one.
The last retro Zelda game after OoT is I mean are the Oracle games
Tastes differ I guess. TP is stiill a great game and if he likes OoT he'll most certainly enjoy TP
well i like em all personally, but a lot of people don't
probably start with the popular ones then work your way onto which ones seem neat
either works, it doesn't change much besides the map (it's inverted on wii)
i like the wii one more since you have more item slots
Keep in mind GC does not have native widescreen, but if you're emulating it can be patched.
Wii version does have widescreen.
I don't know if this an option but the HD version is the GameCube version with a hard mode.
Also, contrary to the opinion here, if you like OoT or TP I'd still reccomend Majora's Mask, or Mask 3D with the restoration patch
Imagine trusting /vr/ this much. Half this board is nostalgia gays and the other half are edgy contrarians. If you want to know if you like game, play it. Ignoring Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening is ridiculous and every Zelda fan would tell you the same.
imagine trusting this pretentious weirdo who likes two of the worst games in the series
>inb4 b-b-but muh uh wuhh guhh abloo bloo
shut the frick up homosexual.
imagine having this much shit taste
you probably don't though, just want tasty (you)s
and that's fair, but you can get more on a bigger board
yeah, you're mad.
>if i say he's mad no one will think i'm mad
lol
i'm just laughin
ain't no anger here
>stutterposting
go back
It's good advice
>n-noooo, you're not allowed not like old games!! i-it's just nostalgia!! it's not really good cause.... CAUSE IT JUST ISN'T OK!!
who are you quoting?
>h-half this board is nostalgia gays!
>N-NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST CALL ME OUT ON BEING A PRETENTIOUS ZOOMER WHO THINKS HIS APPRECIATION OF GAMES IS THE ONLY GENUINE ONE! I-IF YOU LIKE GAMES I DON'T LIKE Y-YOU'RE JUST A NOSTALGIA gay!!
kys
>pretending nostalgia=liking old games
it's not
it's liking a feeling
also not even that anon lol but keep being delusional
This is embarrassing. Imagine spending your time typing this shit. What no sex does to a mf
>What no sex does to a mf
you would know, you type this same insult every week you weird virgin wigger
Start at A Link to the Past for a well-rounded 2D experience or Ocarina of Time for a well-rounded 3D experience. Then, try out other games depending on your preferred style. Play the originals when you can, since the 3D/HD remasters generally lessen the atmosphere for the most part.
Negligible, really. My circle of friends was assblown about the Wii version releasing first and seething when I turned to the dark side and got the Wii to play it earlier. A long while afterwards we traded versions and the experience of me and one other didn't change as much as we thought to have preference while the others preferred the GCN version (one refused to take part of the experiment), but I noticed that most of the complaints boiled down to "Link should be left-handed" and no one said they disliked the Wii controls after playing.
>abloo bloo
Stop trying to make that a thing.
abloo bloo: the post
>draw a woman and call it a man
Why do ppl do this
East Asian Neoteny
ganon monokuma art when?
Wow. Very based opinion. I would actually put Zelda Link's Awakening in after LttP. It's good, even though it's basically a weaker LttP derivative in 4 colors of baby puke.
This except
Zelda 2
A Link to the Past
Link’s Awakening
Oracle of Ages
Oracle of Seasons
And nothing else.
>zelda 2 is better than oot
frick off moron
Yes. Zelda 2 doesn’t take hours to get to the good part of the game.
define "the good part"
God you people suck
Please don't be a moron and listen to these idiots
> No Link's Awakening
Why did you exclude the best 2D Zelda?
Play Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. The games that follow are optional.
IMPORTANT NOTE: There is nothing wrong with the earlier Zelda games, they are charming and still hold up today. BUT the community behind them are all trannies (no exaggerations, all of them are troons). You can play those games, but do NOT discuss them, or you risk becoming a troony yourself.
See:
All filthy, dickless troony abominations
Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are such fricking troon games
Take your meds.
ywnbaw
Wtf is yawn baw
it's what babies do right? they yawn to go to bed and then they baw in the middle of the night
1. A Link to the Past
2. Link's Awakening
3. Ocarina of Time (+ Majora's Mask if you liked OOT)
4. Oracle of Ages/Seasons
5. Wind Waker
6. Minish Cap (basically OOT in 2D)
These for me are the definitive "classic"
(1991-2004) Zelda titles. Minish Cap is worth it for its graphical quality alone.
>filters the majority of /vr/ and even Ganker in one post
how does he do it? what did he mean by this?
also i agree
fpbp, disregard most everything else in this thread. Majora's Mask is playable, but don't play it right after OoT or you'll get burned out. Nearly the same game, in the same engine, telling a different story. If you're a zoomer, it'll feel like a DLC pack for OoT.
have a nice day
t. zelda 2 and MM "fan" (aka mentally deranged homosexual)
>no portable zeldas
seasons is tge only good one anyway
1
ALttP
OoT
BoTW
Not saying they are the best but a lot of people consider them to be essential video games. If you like them then try the rest, you honestly can't go wrong with Zelda unless it's Four Swords or Tri Force Heroes if these even count
I never understood how people enjoy 1. It's way too rough around the edges and primitive for me, and I've played and enjoyed all the other zeldas.
>and I've played and enjoyed all the other zeldas.
You enjoyed 2 but not 1?
Yeah 2 is a top 3 zelda game for me. I didn't really care for it the first time I played it but tried again and really liked it. I viewed it more of a castlevania type game rather than a zelda game.
Yeah it's like CV but with RPG elements, basically proto-SoTN. Confirmed by IGA himself actually
I disagree. I played through it about a month ago and I think it's aged very well.
I think most NES games are absolute garbage but Zelda 1 I can still go back to even though I prefer the 3D games overall. It'a rudimentary, yes, but it's also the most challenging, the most cryptic and really lets you choose how to play the game rather than just funneling you into setpieces.
Most NES games were garbage even in the 80s and early 90s because the library of this console is full of shovelware. Games that were considered good back in the days still play well today
Breath of the wild is good
The rest are dungeon crawlers with shit stories. As long you like low iq puzzles and barebones combat you'll be fine
Link to the past is an acceptable dungeon crawler
Ocarina of time is a 15-20 FPS shit show. Only these Nintendo pedos like it.
Go in order, ignore anyone who says to skip Zelda 2.
Start with Link to the Past if you want 2D or Ocarina of Time for 3D, or Twilight Princess if you want to skip right to the best game. The NES Zeldas are too cryptic and can only be beaten with the help of a guide or playground osmosis, the latter of which doesn't exist anymore.
How's Tri Force Heroes? I'm about to play this shit for the first time, it's the only Zelda game I haven't beaten
I was very excited for it when it came out because I loved Four Swords Adventures. TFH is incredibly underwhelming by comparison.
Link's Awakening is the best of the classic 2D Zelda's.
I loved Ocarina of Time, but it was also my first 3D game with a big epic story, so if you play it maybe try to put yourself in those shoes.
link's awakening sucks ass
No it doesn't.
>zelda: hawaiian edition
yes it does, have a nice day weirdo
You've never even played it.
it's a worae version of ALttP right down to the same fricking reused logo on the box except with a shitty erroneous islander theme and fricking mario characters. i am so fricking tired of people pretending this piece of diarrhea is good. frick you.
if you wanna shitpost about games you've never played before, Ganker is two blocks down
apparently you didn't play the game gayoid
projection will get you nowhere
i guess we'll just have to agree that you're a gay and call it a day. oh well.
it has nothing to do with hawaii
i mean you go to a beach first sure but that's because you got shipwrecked and lost your sword, not because you want to be on a beach
I only really like 1.
2 is okay.
Lttp is okay. Hate everything after that.
Played and beat LA. Hated it.
Played and beat MC. Hated it.
Played the Oracle games. Hated them.
Played OoT. Hated it.
Played MM. Hated it.
Played WW. Was ambivalent.
Played ST and the other DS one I can't recall the name of. Ambivalent.
Haven't played TP or BotW.
We will not speak of the CDi games.
>only beat 2 zelda games
>thinks his opinion is relevant
Five, not two. You are not very bright.
>this thread
Contrarianism is not a personality, guys
neither is being an NPC
Ocarina of Time first. If you like it play Majora's mask and then feel free to explore the other lesser titles at your discretion. Link to the past is particularly important to understand where Ocarina comes from even if it's not particularly great.
If you disliked Ocarina, Links Awakening is still worth a shot(not the 3d remake). If you also dislike it chances are that Zelda just isn't for you and that's ok
This is a good post. You should definitely be starting with what's more culturally impactful and likely to cause a good impression.
The whole idea of starting from the beginning sounds great on paper but in today's world your time is extremely valuable. Zelda 1 is historically relevant sure but it's also archaic so it's not likely to make a great first impression and you shouldn't have to endure it and push through in hopes you'll enjoy the following titles better when it just might not be the case and the franchise just isn't your thing.
Ocarina is great and gives you an idea of what 3d Zeldas are like.
Links Awakening is great and gives you an idea of what 2d Zeldas are like.
If you dislike them chances are you won't like the others either.
Breath of the wild is not a Zelda game btw
Sample them in release order and play through the first one that "clicks" with you and then move on to the next one. That's what I did with Final Fantasy.
Based, played 1 through 15 then I presume?
JK. FFs I have played I can't stand: 10, 15
I’ve played all of the first 6 FF’s and I just could never get into 2. It wasn’t even a difficulty issue, I just never felt that invested in it.
I still find 1 to be the most replayable, to be honest. I’ve only played 9 and 10 from the PlayStation era, definitely liked 9 better.
Play Ocarina of Time first because they explain you who is Ganondorf the Triforce how the Timeline split play Skyward Sword if you want a Prequel to Ocarina of Time and you want to know how the Master Sword is created play Majora Mask if you want a Sequel to Ocarina is the same Link from OOT but in another world Termina, Twilight Princess is a Sequel to Majora Mask take place in the Child Timeline with descendant of OOT Link Wind Waker take place in the Adult Timeline with a new Link Hyrule is now flooded and the basic theme is Pirates
A Link to the Past take place in a What If universe where OOT Link is defeated against Ganon at the end of OOT the Sacred Realm becomes the Dark World and you are the last hope to defeat Ganon in the Oracles and Link Awakening are Sequels to A Link to the Past and is the same Link Zelda 1 and Zelda 2 are years in the future with a new Link and Ganon returns never played BOTW so i dont know what is the story is about
Play ocarina first but ignore everything else this poster said. The timeline crap is just completely inconsequential revisionism. Besides Majoras mask being a direct sequel to Ocarina, no other games are story connected in any meaningful way
delusional
that said, playing the games based on something pretty minor is also pretty delusional
delusional is taking the "Zelda timeline" seriously
there's a difference between taking it seriously and just knowing it exists
it's not a major thing at all, but mongs thinking it's more important than it is leads mongs like you to act it doesn't exist
I know that what exists is asspulled laziness fed to autistic morons desperate for lore.
i'm not getting into this argument again, go pretend the interviews from the 90s don't exist, even if you can clearly google them, it's not my problem
>asspulled laziness pandering to autists in the fanbase
Based
You both have bad taste. Zelda 2 is the worst Zelda on account of just being a shitty Castlevania game.
And barring that it's Skyward Sword
Holy crap this art is terrible.
>ravios broken back
>albw links face look like a mask
>hw links stubby legs
>ss links blob foot
>st and mc links blob heads
>oot and tp links have same face
>mm links face looks like an adult despite being a child
>ww links blob face and tiny sword
>botw links stubby blob legs
>loz looks like an edgy deviant art homosexual
>fsa links' blob faces and smurf proportions
Fierce deity and oracle links are the only ones who look right.
Whole lot of "I ran out of paper" legs in that image.
Most zelda games are pretty good. Someone new to the series would have a good time with most of them. The only ones that new players might not enjoy are the nes games and spin offs. No reason to be a pretentious homosexual about this shit.
>get into the series
There are specific good games that you might want to play, the series itself its pretty much moribund.
LoZ (best)
ALttP (decent)
LA (better than ALttP)
AoL (really good game, but nothing like the others)
OoT (best of the 3d games)
MM (a cool follow-up to OoT if you want more)
Don't bother with any other the others, except maybe the Switch one, but I hear it's just a mushroom collection simulator.
>AoL (really good game, but nothing like the others)
AoL fricking sucks and you shitting on TP and the Oracle games over it is just laughably moronic of you
I still don’t get why people hate AoL. I didn’t play it until I was in my 20s and had already played through ALttP, LA, OOT, WW, TP, MC, and FSA, so no nostalgia/first-i-played-in-the-series bias. I thought it was great.
>I still don’t get why people hate AoL
Because it's a shitty Castlevania game with a Zelda skin and if you like Zelda that doesn't mean you'll be into a completely different series that plays completely differently just because it has the same name on it? Are you fricking moronic or something?
>if you like Zelda that doesn't mean you'll be into a completely different series that plays completely differently just because it has the same name on it
How I feel when I see people claim the Aonuma games are "Zelda".
That's just you having bad taste but if you said that you only liked 2D Zelda it would make sense at least and I wouldn't pretend I'm confused like a tard.
Not him, but I don't even like most 2d zeldas. I detest all the portables.
Weird but if you want to hate great games for dumb reasons then go for it.
What reasons do I hate them, praytell?
Apparently because they're portable? Which I guess means that you don't like them because they aren't as high budget? That's all you mentioned in your post so it's not like I have more info to go off and it's the only conclusion I can draw.
Not sure what you want from me here.
You are not a smart man.
Holy shit this post is so angry over somebody liking a game
>AoL fricking sucks
How so? I think it's flawed but overall pretty good.
Another good post
Play OOT even though it's basic, boring, empty, and overrated. It's a good warm up for the best Zelda game, Majora's Mask. None of the rest are essential.
I played the nes one after being a Zelda fan my entire childhood and playing all the console games and it honestly ruined the other Zeldas for me with how good it was. It’s basically what everyone says the other games are.
Why can't you just play video games, you stupid ass? Why do you literally need your hand held for EVERY DECISION in your life?
People say they're all good, so I went in order. Completed Z1, Z2, ALttP, LA and half of the OoT so far. Didn't regret yet.
Z1 - for an NES game - amazing, subjectively (I'm a zoomer) - pretty good. Make sure you read the manual and check out the cropped map of the world in it, you're meant to have it while playing. Figuring out where to go and what to do might be really confusing, sometimes you can only randomly blow up shit untill you find something. As far as I remember, I tried my best to not use guides, but probably ended up googling something.
Z2 - can't say it's not fun, but kinda ass tbh. The most unzelda of all zeldas with clunky swordfights, challenging and unforgiving as frick. I wouldn't skip it, but you can if you want to.
ALttP - fricking amazing, didn't age even for a tiny bit. Something like that modern indie studios would sell today as a trendy pixel art style, but worse designed, poorly coded (modern hardware gonna handle anyways) and stretched to 1Gb instead of 1Mb. Beautiful graphics, good puzzles and a fair challenge.
LA - played the DX version, simple yet really good. AFAIK GBC isn't more powerful than NES, but to me the game feels much more modern and fun than first two Zeldas. The only thing I find a bit annoying is switching between items. There are only two slots and even sword should occupy one to be used. I know figuring the right item combo is a gameplay feature, but still frustrating at times.
OoT - dropped after the Fire Temple. The game is really good, just burned out after so many Zeldas in a row, gonna finish it later. I already have a Wii VC save, but as far as I know they released a PC port, so you can probably play it in HD, widescreen, 60FPS and all stuff.
Based takes. Don't forget to play the two Oracle games (order doesn't matter, just make sure you link the games). They're not made my Nintendo but they're pretty much the peak of 2D Zelda imo and if you liked LA you'll greatly enjoy them
Definitely playing them after MM. Besides they must be great games, that's exactly what I need for mobile - isometric, don't require bumpers, even more so originally designed for a handheld. Have a lot of spare time with only my phone, but native Android games are shit.
Didn't play Castlevania yet so couldn't notice myself, but that's interesting. Didn't see anyone comparing these games before.
> isometric
I meant 2D, not isometric.
>Didn't play Castlevania yet
Damn OP, are you new to video games? I am jealous
OP here. I'm not the anon you are replying to, but I've also never played any of the Castlevania games
The trick about The Adventure of Link is that it's really more of a Castlevania game than a Zelda game. That's right, it's the game that Simon's Quest wanted to be. Maybe not in tone and progression, but in terms of gameplay and difficulty? It has Castlevania written all over it.
Given that you're gonna get a million different opinions, I'd say start from the top, skip skyward, and only play four swords if you have friends
>Given that you're gonna get a million different opinions, skip skyward,
Way to undermine your own point.
I think it's the only thing most zelda fans can agree on, only reason I mentioned it.
Don't skip Majoras at the very least
Not OP, but what's wrong with Skyward?
Some people just can't into the controls and are staunch about it.
It's more then just the controls. The game repeats the same linear environments a million times, the sky is mostly pointless, and the pacing is horrendous (especially with a shit story). It's not the worst game in the world, it's got some great dungeon/moments and has a cool art style, but it's easily the worst zelda.
Skyward Sword is a lot better than OOT/MM. Those are the only 3 Zelda games I’ve played so far.
Why dafuq did you skip Wind Waker and Twilight Princess?
OP here again. I've decided to attempt to play through A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Breath of the Wild. Then possibly go back and try The Legend of Zelda, The Adventure of Link, Link's Awakening, and Majora's Mask. I'll save the rest for if I really want more Zelda after playing all the others
You should make MM a required game to play. There's a reason it's so many people's number 1 and usually at least in their top 4 unless they're REALLY hipstering it up.
>unless they're REALLY hipstering it up
Majora's Mask is the definition of a hipster's Zelda
Not really, no. Maybe in relation to people saying it's better than OoT but it's insanely well liked and popular in general. If anything the hipsters whine it's the 'reddit' choice these days.
I'd say the true hipster choice is actually Zelda 2 these days. People treat it like the second coming of Christ just because it's been memed on as bad for so long and it's hilarious
I can smell the underage on you. Majora has been the hipster/contrarian Zelda since 2005 at the absolute latest.
>the sequel to one of the highest rated games ever made is hipster
genuine derangement
Have fun, ALttP is still probably one of the best games ever
A Link to the Past has none of the charms of all later Zelda games. No lovable characters and world, the movement feels off, meh design of dungeons that don't have much of a unique identity(really doesn't help how they all have the same music), pink hair. It deserves all the credit for being the blueprint but Link's Awakening makes for a much smoother polished 2d Zelda experience.
>the movement feels off
No it doesn't. It's a joy to run around and slash enemies and bushes
Yes it does, I think part of the problem is how the animation frames don't match at all the pace at which link is actually moving
That's intentional. Adds a comical effect and make Link looks like a cute lil fella
>That's intentional. Adds a comical effect and make Link looks like a cute lil fella
What a weird cope
>the movement feels off
I've played this multiple times with multiple different systems and controllers, originally on SNES. Never have I thought the movement or combat felt off.
don't forget how it's ugly as shit. crazy how a fricking gameboy game with vastly inferior hardware managed to have far better aesthetics
Based good taste haver.
LA > LTTP any day of the week
Play OOT first, then ALttP, then Zelda 1.
Then play whatever else interests you.
MM is my favorite game of all time, so highly recommended.
I don't think many of the Zelda games are outright bad, aside from the obvious ones like the CD-i games. But you can tell they were just going through the motions when it came to Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess.
Although I consider Minish Cap to be the worst "normal" Zelda game
>Minish cap the worst
>When Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks exist
if ur not a fan of zelda dont follow these recommendations it may put u off,
the first game i played was links awakening as an 11yo back in 97, this put me off, i just didnt understand what to do, at the time i really only played platformers, i did finish the dx version recently, i found it boring AF, its just not enjoyable, but it was the first handheld zelda, and its pretty good what they achieved on a GB (this was before pokemon) so its worth playing, just leave it till u play a few others first, the oracle games i barely played, sold both carts recently,. id say for handhelds play lttp/minish cap/four swords on gba (i used psp)
ocarina, i didnt like when it came out, was never a fan of N64 graphics, but it is a great game, majora is a good sequel, but for ur first console version i wud say windwaker (this will piss people off) was 18 wen i played it, some guy i worked with was tellin me its frickin banging, i was like lolwut it looks like a fricking kids game. tho this is prob the most enjoyable and most comfy story/visual/gameplay wise, also after finishing this i was able to git gud enough to finish the last fight on ocarina which i put off.
if u like windwaker play phantom hourglass next it was a good sequel (play with stylus not dpad), the next game spirit tracks was meh.
if ur more bothered about enjoyment than order, personally id play
lttp
windwaker>phantom hourglass
minish cap>foursword gba
ocarina>majora
zelda1
links awakening
ooa/oos
still havent played thru TP or any released after so cant comment, tho link between worlds looks good (only played a bit), apparently its the sequel to lttp so play that first
this might be the worst post in the entire thread
play OOT
Play LTTP
maybe play wind waker
thats about it really
Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past are the best starting points
Why is there still no Zelda game that's similar to your pic or official ALttP concept art?
Literally BotW
frick no
BoTW doesn't have all that architecture, only the landscapes. Hopefully they fix it in the sequel
It does. There are ruins everywhere. Right in the first area in the game there's a place that looks like that picture (not to mention the ruins of the Temple of Time and parts of the Hyrule Castle Town from OoT).
There are a mostly hills, rocks, trees, etc but there are a lot of man made structures all over the place too. It even has the Maze from Zelda 2 in the Northeast part of the map. I still gawk at the complete map the way I used to gawk at the Middle-earth map and think about things that happened in various locations; the BotW map is full of names and allusions to the past games. Labrynna and Holodrum are actual places on the map with the proper geography as well.
It reminded me of Shadow of the Colossus crossed with ALttP, down to the location of the Master Sword in the Lost Woods in the Northwest.
However the horses suck and weapon durability was a mistake, I don't care what anyone else says.
There's the greco-roman inspired style closer to the center of the map, and a very different style of architecture in the ruins in the southeast, in the tropical jungle area, which reminded me of the India stages in TR3.
I can't find particularly god pictures online. People like taking pictures of empty fields for some reason.
I see what you are getting at, it's been a while since I played the game so I don't really remember
>It reminded me of Shadow of the Colossus
Yeah, that's intentional. Every 3D Zelda starting from TP has some SoTC elements. Everyone who makes action-adventure games like Nier or Souls takes inspiration from Ico and SoTC
I forgot that TP was actually aesthetically inspired by Ico, that in the LotR movies according to interviews. I don't think SotC was a factor since they were developed around the same time, same with Okami. TP was an incidental fusion of Okami and SotC.
there was a weird wolf/warewolf thing going on in the late 00s, just like every game had epic in the title in the early 10s and then every character had a scarf for a minute. its always a mix corporate push and just everybody copying each other.
Yeah but man does TP look like SoTC sometimes
They share a very similar color palette and lighting style.
Only the ruins in this pic
are close enough and even then they're nowhere near as condensed as in
>It even has the Maze from Zelda 2 in the Northeast part of the map
It's just a maze, there's no Zelda 2 connection
>Labrynna and Holodrum are actual places on the map with the proper geography as well.
No, there are just two names based on those locations. By that logic the Tingel Island in BotW would also be the same one from WW, which clearly isn't the case
There are places in the game but I couldn't find any screen grabs; I don't feel like taking pics myself, then sending them from my switch to my phone.
>It's just a maze, there's no Zelda 2 connection
It's somehow a mere coincidence that the Northeast of the map looks like the Zelda 2 map? The kakariko cemetery and death mountain are on the southwest part of the Zelda 2, so we know it's set northeast of Hyrule. It's also probably not incidental that it's the place in BotW where you help build a new town where all the major races gather together (the way towns in Zelda 2 are named after OoT sages who were each a different race)
Holodrum and Labyrnna are places near Hyrule that Zelda and Impa physically travel to. The two places are close together and the geography and other place names fit. Some place names are allusions, like Tal Tal, Marin, and Tarin, but this is a Hyrule in a far future.
This is Tarm Point in Lodrum Headland, basically the Tarm Ruins in Holodrum.
Brynna plain also happens to be right near the new Zora's domain. In Oracle of Ages the Zoras mention that they moved to a new place close to Labrynna.
Tarm Ruins is located in the north-west in Oracle of Seasons, this area is south-east
>It's somehow a mere coincidence that the Northeast of the map looks like the Zelda 2 map?
It doesn't, Maze Island is nearly the size of Eastern Hyrule and isn't symmetrical like the one featured in BotW
>It's also probably not incidental that it's the place in BotW where you help build a new town where all the major races gather together (the way towns in Zelda 2 are named after OoT sages who were each a different race)
Literally unrelated, you are grasping at straws for connections where there are none
>Holodrum and Labyrnna are places near Hyrule that Zelda and Impa physically travel to.
I'm aware of that, but that doesn't mean they're sitting next right to each other or that they would be that physically close to Hyrule. The Lodrum and Brynna areas are no bigger than a football field whereas Holodrum and Labrynna are meant to be full kingdoms on par with Hyrule's size in LttP. You're taking a surface level name reference and acting like it's hard proof
>A Zelda game is unconnected with a past Zelda game
The games aren't a spontaneous natural phenomena, they were designed by designers. The Zelda 2 map connection in front of you and you're ignoring it for a quarrel.
The map is sideways, tilted to the left. Then everything is like the Holodrum map; the Lake, the inlet, the ruins. OoT's map was tilted from as well. It's like Thror's map from The Hobbit.
>The games aren't a spontaneous natural phenomena, they were designed by designers.
Correct, but that doesn't mean everything has some intentional callback or that similarities don't crop up
>The Zelda 2 map connection in front of you and you're ignoring it for a quarrel.
No, you're comparing two completely unrelated mazes purely based on their location while ignoring the location differences for the Tarm Point/Ruins because that doesn't fit your headcanon
>The map is sideways, tilted to the left.
It is not, north, south, east and west are clearly defined, whereas in the OoT map magnetic north is angled to the east to indicate its true direction. The same does not exist for BotW
>headcanon
>headcanon
>disregard the maps
>make insinuations with a meme buzzword
So you don't actually want to have a chat about this.
I disregard the maps because the connections are paper thin, and calling it headcanon is accurate because there's no basis beyond what you personally believe in
Granted, there ARE connections to previous Zelda locations and areas within BotW's map, some make less sense than others like Lon Lon Ranch inexplicably surviving tens of thousands of years in the future, but that's different from insinuating one location is the exact same place as another purely because they are both labyrinths
>calling it headcanon is accurate because there's no basis beyond what you personally believe in
The map and the markers Nintendo wrote on them aren't in my head, they're on the bloody map.
Also I dislike the term headcanon because it's an oxymoron. The work is either canon or an interpretation. I'm simply looking at the map, and how the locations look within the actual game.
>The map and the markers Nintendo wrote on them aren't in my head, they're on the bloody map.
And where is it shown on the map that these locations are meant to be the same? Relying solely on names doesn't work, because there are also locations from parallel dimensions and dreams taken 1:1 from their source games.
> I'm simply looking at the map, and how the locations look within the actual game.
You're extrapolating your own in-universe conclusion without basis in the game itself, thus a canon inside your head
>there are also locations from parallel dimensions and dreams
So? The names for the locations from past games are in their proper spots on the map.
>your own in-universe conclusion without basis in the game itself
I don't live in Hyrule, and my basis are the games and the maps.
>a canon inside your head
Now you're being an absolute DICK.
>The names for the locations from past games are in their proper spots on the map.
What is "their proper spots"? The ones that support your beliefs?
>my basis are the games and the maps.
Then your basis is flawed considering BotW is a smorgasboard of different locations with no real accuracy to any of the older titles
>What is "their proper spots"? The ones that support your beliefs?
The locations on the game's maps. It's not my belief, it's on the maps. Play the song of time and let's do this again.
>It's not my belief, it's on the maps.
It is your belief because certain locations swap places entirely between games and there is no consistent throughline between every Zelda map in the series, and the connections you're making are tenuous at best
Why would the map from an 8bit game scale the same way on a modernized version? It's the placement that counts. IIRC several locations are in altered places because of tectonic shifts or whatnot. BOTW Death Mountain isn't the same one from the old games.
>It's the placement that counts.
Placement varies all over the place to begin with, Zelda maps are not consistent by any means
>BOTW Death Mountain isn't the same one from the old games.
Do you have a confirmation for this or just headcanon?
>Do you have a confirmation for this or just headcanon?
Spectacle rock is over in gerudo desert, the highlands are the old now inactice death mountain
BoTW death mountain is a volcano that sprang up where sea used to be
>Spectacle rock is over in gerudo desert
correct
>the highlands are the old now inactice death mountain
>BoTW death mountain is a volcano that sprang up where sea used to be
headcanon
Spectacle Rock is not always associated with Death Mountain and has appeared disconnected from it before in the past. Wind Waker had it as a completely separate island
>Spectacle Rock is not always associated with Death Mountain
Yes it is.
It was Ganon's lair in the original.
Which locations are swapping places? You denied that BotW Death Mountain isn't the same as the old one and called it muh headcanon now you're saying that several places on each map aren't the same place.
>It was Ganon's lair in the original.
meant for
Rock is not always associated with Death Mountain
>Yes it is.
No, it isn't, pic related
>Which locations are swapping places?
Off the top of my head Zora's Domain has jumped between being north and west between games like OoT and TP, along with the Temple of Time magically transporting itself from the center of Hyrule to the south. The Great Plateau is meant to be OoT Castle Town right down to the layout of the path up to Hyrule Castle and it's in a completely new location relative to where it should be with Death Mountain and the Ranch Ruins
>You denied that BotW Death Mountain isn't the same as the old one and called it muh headcanon
Because it is, there is nothing to indicate it as such
Why do you keep using the wind waker as a counterpoint when Hyrule is under the illusory ocean in that game?
Zora's Domain is roughly in the same place in OoT and TP, just the scale is different. The same with the Great Plateau for the old Hyrule Castle Town.
Zora's Domain is completely off from where it is in OoT compared to TP, same with the Temple of Time and Death Mountain for that matter
You're being obtuse. The Hyrule Encyclopedia has comparison maps as well, are official Nintendo publications headcanon too?
Encyclopedia is filled with errors and was written by staff from Nintendo Dream magazine, it's essentially fanfiction
https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Encyclopedia#Errors
I've noticed the mistakes while reading it. But it's not what you'd call fanfiction (funny you didn't say "headcanon" this time); Nintendo backed it. That's literally what constitutes "canon", not a fandom wiki.
>Nintendo backed it
that does not make it canon
>That's literally what constitutes "canon"
It contradicts too many of the games and what's established in other media like their respective manuals to be canon
Canon isn't consistency, it's authority. You started talking about authority and belief when you were throwing "headcanon" around.
I rightfully called out your assumptions and assertions as personal canon, that's a separate topic from Encyclopedia being an unreliable source in regards to the canon of the series
>I rightfully called out your assumptions and assertions as personal canon
Why would you frame my posts this way? It's douchey. I'd repeat the same thing I said in the prior loops, but I'm done. Maybe you had fun, I didn't. The definition of the word canon was pretty relevant.
>Why would you frame my posts this way?
Because that's what they were, you asserted your beliefs in the initial reply talking about BotW's world despite having nothing of substance to back up those beliefs and acted like they were truthful when in reality you have nothing to go off beyond surface level similarities
I'm sorry you feel that way.
I thought you said you were done?
Done with the old loop, we can start a different one if you want.
You must not be aware of this, but all three big-name videogame encyclopedias published by Dark Horse, that being Mario, Zelda, and Sonic, have been caught plagiarising from their respective wikis (Mario Wiki is the only one taking full responsibility; Zelda Wiki went on a denial crusade; and Sonic News Network is in the milquetoast middle).
Not him, but that one is an exception. The only part that doesn't take creative liberties is the last third of the book focusing on documents and statements.
Ironically, that wiki treats it as gospel despite rejecting zelda.com back in the day for similar reasons. They're kind of hopeless with their current admins.
I remember the part of the Encyclopedia that says that the head carpenter was married to granny, lolwot. I think it was just rushed.
yeah and then nothing ever again so the reappearances have no point.
Bah everything is pointless, everything is fluid, everything is headcanon. Frick yourselves.
>spectacle rock
why do they even keep bringing this back? its never used for anything interesting. could at least be a lookout point on the mountain to tie into its name more but that would still be pretty boring.
>It even has the Maze from Zelda 2 in the Northeast part of the map.
anything Sheikah related like the shrines, divine beasts, towers, etc. wasn't built until after all the other games happened
Shadow of the Colossus
Play all the console games, skip the handheld games. Simple as that. LA is okay but hardly worth it, it's meme'd for the tiny Lynch influence.
Play OoT/MM and OoA/OoS first (treat the sequel of each as the 2nd half of the game). They're middleground difficulty for the series and the crux between retro & modern in gameplay, style, and lore because of OoT's huge impact (for better or worse) and Aonuma & Capcom stepping up at the time.
After these play the newer ones in release order and the older ones in backwards release order.
autism
elaborate
you're telling him to play the 4th and 5th main games in the series first, followed by two capcom-developed gameboy games, and this is supposed to somehow properly introduce him to Zelda, lmao. if he's gonna start a series, he needs to start with the first game. if he wants to play the most important games and not every game, then he's going to play Z1, ALttP and OoT, in that order. after that, if he likes the series enough, i'm sure he'll play the other ones. but he needs to start with the classics.
They're valuable because of the time they released and being between the retro and modern styles. You can move on from Oot to either alttp or the GC games because those are very different beasts but it bridges them. The oracles are the same sort of thing, very similar to LA and MC so easy to go either way. Other parts of the series history dont have this blending/passing of the guard thing so pronounced.
The series also gets experimental as you go forward and backwards so this era is a fairly tame foundation. Its not wrong to look to Z1 for what the series is meant to be but taking all games in the series into account it really is irregular and Oot is more the platonic ideal for what to expect, with a very dry story and gimmick. Granted, alttp and Z1 are also dry like that, but its just my 2 cents for if you /don't/ play in release order & my reasoning wont gel with everyone.
MM is tacked on because its a direct sequel, feel free to ignore it.
pseud wankery
>Play them in release order
>Play only the best
It’s the same thing, anon
Zelda 2 and possibly 1 are the only ones worth your time and even then you could play the superior Wonderboy series over them.
I basically know nothing about the Zelda series, but I took a look at some gameplay of the games and picked ones that seem fun and look nice. Here's the list and my reasoning for each.
>Ocarina. The kind of retro graphics I like, and the boss fights look cinematic.
>Majora. Similar to Ocarina, and apparently there's a "time rewind" mechanic, which seems interesting.
>Minish Cap. Currently playing it and it's pretty, and I think the concept of shrinking is cool.
>Wind Waker. I liked the cartoony style.
>BotW. Really pretty game, and would be my first open world experience.
I suggest you to try them in order.
Emphasis on try, because they are so many that you will inevitably want to focus on a few of them.
I would personally suggest:
>1
Nothing to say here. You should at least try it because of its hystorical value alone.
>2
The oddball of the series, I find it really charming albeit frustrating.
>Alttp
The snes game improves on the original one. This is a good one to focus on.
>LA
My favourite 2d Zelda.
It plays worse compared to the snes game, but it oozes charm.
>Oot
Like the first one, you should try it for its hystorical value at least.
>MM
Similar to 2, a lot of people don't like it (me included), but you should try at least to see what is about.
...and then just skip to Botw lol
>muh historical value
So no game value to stand on, just snobby circle jerking
Literal waste of time
>filtered by octoroc
pick your flavor
>Z1
open 2d zelda
>Z2
sidescrolling zelda
>alttp
formulaic 2d zelda
>la, oox, mc
formulaic 2d zelda with gimmicks
>oot
formulaic 3d zelda
>mm, ww, tp
formulaic 3d zelda with gimmicks
>4 swords/4sa
multiplayer zelda
>ss
hyperlinear/dungeon focused zelda
>botw
hyperopen/dungeonless zelda
>rosy rupeeland
Gankerner zelda
release order
Play all the 2D games, forget the rest.
Just play the good ones:
Link's Awakening
Ocarina of Time
Hyrule Warriors
Here is the correct linear order (works as a proper timeline as well). Greentext ones are continuations of the previous games.
CLASSIC 3D:
Skyward Sword
Ocarina of Time
>Majora's Mask
Wind Waker
>Phantom Hourglass
>Spirit Tracks
Twilight Princess
2D:
A Link to the Past
>Link's Awakening
>Oracle of Seasons
>Oracle of Ages
>Minish Cap
>Four Swords
>Four Swords Adventures
>A Link Between Worlds
The Legend of Zelda
The Adventure of Link
NEW 3D:
Breath of the Wild
Link's Awakening comes after the Oracles. Minish Cap and Four Swords are pre-Ganon games too, they come before OoT
how is albw 2d but ph/st 3d?
I would recommend them all but skip the DS games. Wind waker and skyward sword are optional. I would say minish cap and ocarina of time are the best ones to start with.
And save the philips-cdi games for last.
zelda 1
a link between worlds (better than a link to the past)
breath of the wild
wind waker
(skip ocarina its overrated)
^ bait
In that order:
1
2 AoL
ALttP
LA DX
OoT
MM
OoA/OoS
FS
WW
MC
FSA
TP
PH
ST
SS
ALBW
TFH
BotW
/fricking thread
Play the games from your favorite console generation first, in release order for that generation.
Play the first three games in order.
Afterwards, decide for yourself whether you want to keep playing or not.
If you do, continue playing them in release order until you don't feel like playing them anymore.
up to you but zelda 1 is a vastly differing experience from alttp which is considered the first one of the standard formula. if you do play zelda 1 play botw right afterwords
if you want zelda to be a smooth as possible while playing in order ocarina is considered the real beginning as alttp is challenging and it being 2d helps make the game flow smoother in terms of knowing your surroundings which might make 3d Zelda off putting
after that its basically majoras mask and BOTW that are considered the highlight of the series, unless your /v then botw sucks
what your looking for in every game except botw is basically getting stuck in a dungeon for 4-8 hours, if you are not super impatient and feed on a drip of media every few moments to obtain calm, most zeldas will do, and if the process of figuring shit felt accomplishing, almost no game will steer you wrong
ZELDAS THAT DONT
phantom hourglass
makes a TIMED mega dungeon you have to revisit after every regular dungeon that sometimes tells you to go back to the beginning if you don't figure it out in time, its annoying because its stealth and buttons for walking is replaced with a stylus you have to shred your wrist to use. spirit tracks does all this but keeps its stealth dungeon boring so you don't dread playing it to get to the other fun parts
zelda 2
is a mario themed platformer that is fun but barely has anything to do with zelda other then some "okay" puzzle solving in its dungeons
anything with four swords or multi colored links as they are all mission based zeldas which are also fun to play but don't have the same presence
the rest are usually positive experiences as said by people, do be aware though WW and SS are considered very annoying to actually get through as they are marred by alot of dialogue, chores and boring overworld shit that became the basis for the huge screeching whirlwind of people asking about open world zelda
i.e: botw
The main ones you should play are the first four then all the 3D ones. You can skip Zelda 2 but it's good if you like action RPGs.
you should ignore everyone in this thread and start with a link to the past and ocarina of time, since those two games and had the most influence on the series as a whole.
if you like the 2d stuff, try the gb/gbc/gba games. if you like 3d try the other 3d games. the first two games haven't aged well (sorry /vr/) but if you like nes or 8 bit games in general they are good, otherwise just a historical curiosity.
Keep in mind the first Zelda game was supposed to be played with the guide that came along with the game
Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask everything else is trash. Maybe the NES game. (spoiler) Zelda is a girl. (/spoiler)
stop playing after a link to the past or the game boy zelda.
n64 and beyond is utter shit and they made the games for morons.