They would get interrupted by a larger threat, put aside their differences to defeat it, and depart with a grudging respect and everything would be back to status quo
Ultramar is a few systems. Like 8 systems.
The T'au Empire is made up of hundreds of systems and it's stated the population of one of the septs is in the many trillions.
Guess.
Also, I hope you suffer testicular torsion, you fricking coomer.
Hahaha....no. Hive worlds with trillions are vanishingly rare. Mostly you will encounter ones with tens of billions.
OP's question is pretty stupid. The T'au armies number in the billions and add to that to that billions of Kroot and other allied races. Farsight's expedition fleet for example which was part of the second sphere expansion had 100 billion T'au aboard.
Ultramar's handful of systems are vastly numbered. There are millions of suits (lowballing it here) and each crisis suit is equal or better than a marine.
Worlds =/= Systems. A system just refers to a collection of worlds typically orbiting a star. Because the Warhammer world is super dense it's not uncommon for there to be dozens of worlds per system.
A star system will have one world that is habitable you fricking moron. >dozens of worlds
Which are mostly empty. Stop arguing semantics you absolute cretin. Argue the actual fricking OP post which is between Ultramar's small empire inside the imperium and the tau empire who wins in a 1v1 fight. Holy frick.
No. It was disbanded by Roboute shortly before he was put in a death coma by Fulgrim. The Ultramarines rule only a handful of systems.
He declared it reassembled when he came back why do you homosexuals come into this thread and not understand OP is saying the Realm of Ultramar vs. the Tau Empire holy frick am I constantly discussing things with low functioning autistic people or what?
>A star system will have one world that is habitable you fricking moron.
LOL.
The sept of Vior'la has 12 planets in it. They are all terraformed and populated. The T'au populate and inhabit everything within the sept because their world-shaping is that good.
>He declared it reassembled
Declaration=/= reality.
Most governors disobeyed Roboute and the Death Guard invasion ravaged the 500 worlds causing a massive exodus.
The Ultramarines only effectively control the systems they already own.
At least 20 of those "500 worlds" (probably more) are ruled over by 13th legion chapters e.g. Genesis, Patriarchs of Ulixis, Sons of Orar, Praetors of Orpheus, Doom Eagles, Novamarines, Libators, Inceptors, Aurora, Avenging sons, heralds of ultramar, sons of guilliman, hawk lords, maybe Eagle Warriors etc. I guess you could count the scythes too, if their homeworld was still alive. None of the normal successor chapters would even disobey Calgar, let alone Guilliman himself.
Plus Girlyman has summoned the other successors who were further away and they've all returned. e.g. White Consuls, Black Consuls, Iron Snakes, Silver Skulls etc.
>A star system will have one world that is habitable
Just off the top of my head in Warhammer 40K, Sol has both Holy Terra and Mars as planets with billions of people on them each.
Yeah, that argument is dumb. With fusion power and unbound solar energy you could turn even the most barren rock of the Solar System into places for lush paradises and resorts even if you never terraform them. You could build a mighty empire of a million little worlds in our solar system alone that would dwarf in scope, population and complexity all but the largest empires in sci-fi.
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40k has never really been a sci-fi setting, though to be fair, it has a lot of built in reasons why common sense doesn't apply
Yes but Ultramar is unique in that: >1) It has a large contingent of well-trained PDF who provide lots of extra manpower >2) It's actually ran in a somewhat efficient manner, still authoritarian but shedding the grimderp stuff, kind of like the Tau Empire itself but with more xenophobia >3) It has a Primarch
>>1) It has a large contingent of well-trained PDF who provide lots of extra manpower
Hundreds of billions of Fire Warriors + Hundreds of billions more auxiliaries > millions of PDF >still authoritarian but shedding the grimderp stuff,
Not according to the Calgar comic. > It's actually ran in a somewhat efficient manner,
It's recovering from the Black Legion and Death Guard invasions while the T'au Empire is practically in a golden age. >>3) It has a Primarch
Away in the Pariah Nexus.
The Calgar comic in contrast to what GW showed us before about Ultramar is a grimdark place where slavery exists and the average lifespan in it is in the 30s.
If Torchstar was a pin-up sex symbol morale booster for the Tau troops, would the Imperium have her publicly raped if she fell into their hands as a means to demoralise their opponents? Answers on a postcard please.
The Tau are going to win using shenanigans such as wormholes and dark matter, rail guns and antimatter bombs. And if that fails they can summon their twisted warp god into existence.
Because of GW "ugly" tax, every female that appears in GW works will be ugly by default regardless of species, nobody cares what GW does or says so if my headcanon says that tau are cute genki women then they definitely are.
Yvraine canonically should be the most beautiful thing your eyes can perceive like all eldar, it's only natural they keep some of that appeal on her, even if minimal.
Warhammer Fantasy has some really hot/sexual characters. 40k doesn't because it's grimdark and juvenile, like the sort of edgy deathmetal shit you'd sketch in the margins of your notebook during class-time back when you were 14.
If it's Ultramar directly in danger then every Ultramarine ever and I'd imagine a whole bunch of their successors would dedicate themselves to the war effort
You'd have a Great Crusade level mobilization of the space marines, an I don't think the Tau could handle that
There's one of three scenarios I'd like to clarify the situation first because they all make a huge difference.
1. Ultramar as it is right now declares war on the Tau Empire, but the rest of the Imperium is allowed to pay tribute and join in.
2. Ultramar as it is right now declares war on the Tau Empire in a white room and isn't allowed any reinforcements, resources or the like.
3. Scenario 2 but Ultramar gets to magically recall all of the personnel and war materiel that is normally stationed there. For fairness the Tau Empire get the same courtesy.
Purely from first thoughts. In scenario 1, probably a stalemate because it's just Tau vs Imperium again and the rest of the Imperium's battles and current issues would drag away momentum. In scenario 2, the Tau Empire wins hard because most of Ultramar's forces are elsewhere. In scenario 3, Ultramar probably wins but doesn't have an easy time of it.
Dude. Let me put it in perspective for you. In the second Damocles Conflict, the T'au fought Imperial forces equivalent in numbers to the forces defending the Caduian Gate.
And they won. Not to mention that humbled the Raven Guard chapter and their coalition of marines.
That's a difficult conversation because there's been a trend of GW increasing their numbers over the past decade in order to better fit with harder sci-fi. Time was Hive Cities sometimes had triple digit millions at the extreme and how we have examples of those with trillions. I'd be willing to accept a comparison with a newer source on numbers at the Cadian Gate if provided but previously I've seen numbers compared from sources quite a few editions apart which might not be the best comparison to make anymore.
never ever take a number from a GW source at face value. and that goes double for anything from black library or tertiary sources like videogames and comics. as a matter of policy, they don't hire anyone capable of dealing with larger numbers than they can count on their fingers. any number given in any context should be assumed to be off by at least an order of magnitude.
>Not to mention that humbled the Raven Guard chapter and their coalition of marines.
Weren't the Tau humiliated in that battle when they killed a Raven Guard Chapter Master and thought they had killed the 'king of the Space Marines'?
The ultramarines are xenophiles, The Space Wolves are furries, and The Emperors children are gay. Seems Space Marines inherited their fathers fetishes too. What are all of the other legions kinks? My money is on the thousand sons having a thing for the "naughty librarian" type.
Both on their own?
It could go either way, I'd give it to whomever is on the defensive for logistical reasons.
Interstellar travel is slower for Tau ships than Imperial ships but Tau ships do tend to be faster than Imperial ships in real space engagements and have longer range weapons, so strategically Ultramar will have more room to maneuver (it's been a repeated problem for then Enclaves when crossing the Damocles Gulf that threats can cross the Gulf faster than them) but in system the Tau Navy is very hard to root out. Which strategically means Ultramar may have to slow down any offensive to really get the Tau out, divide their forces to keep their logistics chain defended, or just suffer getting their logistics raided.
There is an option that UItramar potentially has that I don't think the Tau really have a counter for. Take a large well armored ship, remove all crew related to weapons and ammunition aside from a single exterminatus grade weapon, fill it up with food enough to maintain your skeleton crew for long distances, warp in as close to a Sept world as possible, blow up the planet before you get blown up. Do this 20 times and the rest of Tau can be mopped up relatively easily, you're almost certainly losing the ships but hey.
>npc xenos meme faction with kroot models nobody bought >6'1 chadmaris marines with plot armor made by /our/ spiritual liege ward himself
I think we all know who'd win anon
It would make a lot of sense for Guilliman to stop, take a look at the Tau, and then say "what a cool idea" and then copy it. He's a Roman LARPER and Romans copied A LOT from their enemies and rivals.
>Side A pulls out some bullshit McGuffin >Side B makes some strategic blunder >Side A pulls of some strategic masterstroke >A random thing occurs that gives side A or side B an advantage or disadvantage
Whomever the writer wants to see win
I'm not sure we've ever really gotten a good look at "normal" Tau society? Mostly a function of the usual "is not an Imperial Faction at all so gets a tiny amount of actual lore" and what we do get is primarily war focused.
Considering the fact they're "supposed" to have a genuinely functioning society that attracts people to it (even beyond just like, offering a standard of life beyond the low bar of the Imperium), it's easy to imagine certain obvious things. Sports, especially team sports are probably popular. You can imagine something more like football, of either type but perhaps the Euro one more, for the Fire Caste. Something vaguely bloodsport-esque. Something more sedate for the Earth Caste, maybe synchronized swimming/flying for the Water and Air Castes. Probably some form of entertainment, though that's probably hideously infested with propaganda.
The real weird thing is to consider what the frick the Ethereals get up to. Putting aside all the usual sketchiness around them, what we do have makes them out to be not so much Illuminati as like, a bunch of arrogant monks that run an entire interstellar society. It's easier to imagine their lives as more regimented, more steeped in unusual habits and non-casual activity. I like to imagine they spar a lot, not because of any particular combat focus but because it fits into the "warrior-monk" aesthetic they seem to need to cultivate. Spiritual and bodily balance and all that.
>be earth caste >meet gue’vesa for the first time >actually pretty cool >”earth anon, check this out” >entertain the gue’vesa >last time he tried to show me his ancient gue’vesa video games, even though our simulations are superior >he instead puts a truck in front of me >open it >…paints? >…small tools? >he plus out tiny bits of plasteel >all sorts of gue’vesa in different poses >even a few vehicles >”under the imperium I never really had time to play the game, just paint” >”yeah, there’s actually rules behind all these models, earth-anon” >this is kind of ridiculous but I humour him >something about forty-thousand hammers (gue’vesa I swear) >some models aren’t assembled >”that’s the fun, earth-anon, you get to build and paint them yourself” >before I can say anything he puts a human soldier and a paintbrush in front of me
>several months later >we play every weekend, apparently humans don’t have those >had earth caste create Tau miniatures >”it’s for fun” >we wrote some rules to balance them against his human models >got so popular we started making miniatures of other races >gue’vesa and Tau alike start playing in whole clubs
>”I’m glad we left the imperium, earth-anon” >”For The Greater Good, Gue’vesa” >I throw my dice
If the tau have given there guela ally's some of there outdated tech by now such as there older crisis suits then there is no way in hell they have not started a battle bots TV show and started up the dueling system of Battletech during the age of war on who gets to own what colony or planet a human faction is fighting over. The tau will be popping many pills to deal with all of the headaches there human helper give them with all of these shenanigans.
>tfw no Mechwarrior mercenaries type game where you kit out your battesuit and fight in the arena
I don't think Tau have enough weapon options to really make that feasible but it sounds cool at least. You'd have to make up a lot of new things or side-grades
>500 Imperial worlds >10 chapters permanently stationed to defend it >plus whatever other chapters are stationed there >all the PDF, Ultramar auxilia, Ultramar defence fleet >forge world Konor and Legio Praesagius
Very obviously ultramar. People talking about numbers of infantry as though that would mean anything, ultramarine combined navy > Tau navy. Its also faster. The bounce between planets shattering Tau defenses and committing orbital genocide.
It entirely depends on the author and what they want, regardless of whether it would realistically be a fair fight or a preposterously one-sided slaughter. Everyone else in this thread is unimportant and so is their take.
Ultramar. Because the status quo is not allowed to change so drastically. Maybe after like the 20th Sphere or expansion the Tau might be allowed to capture a border system.
>20th Sphere or expansion
The 40k universe won't last that long
Ultramar. Because the status quo is not allowed to change so drastically. Maybe after like the 20th Sphere or expansion the Tau might be allowed to capture a border system.
>vs 150
The Tau had like 100 worlds by the time of the Taros campaign, since then they finished the 3rd sphere expansion, had the 4th sphere expansion, and are now undertaking the 5th sphere expansion. GW is allergic to numbers but its unlikely they'd have fewer than 300 planets most likely.
>this entire thread.
I like tau ascetics but I'll never give GW money. If they weren't so aggressively greedy I'd probably buy some of them just to paint for fun.
Ultramar as in? Do the Ultramarines get to summon their spare chapters (e.g. genesis chapter) too?
Or is it in the present where guilliman is back and has probably 200,000+ marines, dozens of titan legions and knight houses, tens of millions of guard, and a gigantic fleet?
But the genesis chapter and patriarchs of ulixis send guys to the ultramarine honour guard so do those count? And genesis chapter fill in for the UM when they go below combat strength, plus theirs is the closest system to macragge, so it'd make sense to include them tbqh.
The realm of ultramarines and the military forces stationed inside of it, but not those outside of it other than the Ultramar PDF and Ultramarines.
There were Titan legions in Ultramar during the Heresy, not sure if they survived it. Pretty sure there is at least 1 knight house in the Ultramar region too.
So, presuming: >Status quo is lifted, Girlyman is asleep, T'au forces are led by Shadow Sun, and it's just the two forces
T'au win. Ultramarines are out and about in the galaxy and fighting on nearly every front they can. Ultramar is certainly a well run sector, but it gets invaded and infiltrated a LOT. The overall defense of the sector seems to have lapsed in Roboute's absence. Shadow Sun is a patient tactician, but isn't shy about taking risky and dynamic moves. Having a good record against typical PDFs, the real fight will be against the Ultramarines. Them being very "by the book" will be a weakness that Shadow Sun will use to its full effect, and even though they'll be quick to change tactics when the book fails, those early victories will be costly.
Eventually, given the premise is JUST the T'au vs JUST Ultramar, Shadow Sun will just out maneuver the Ultramar forces before they can adjust.
Now, Post Girlyman?
Not a contest. Ultramar. He's smarter, more patient, a better tactician, the Ultramarines are more focused, better organized, and with his leadership can pivot their tactics on a dime. Shadow Sun would be out classed, outgunned, and out played pretty much from the start.
If the T'au commander was Farsight vs Roboute?
Anime Fight. In Space. Lots of shouting out their moves, screaming to power up, and ending in a grudging respect for the other's power/fighting ability. If one is stronger (probably Poppa Smurf) will walk away saying something like, "challenge me again when you get stronger"
Or they crash on Bobby's Ultracouch, watch some anime, and complain about their respective factions and psych chicks they know
So anyone with even a cursory knowledge of how the Tau government works knows the Tau aren't really commies. But my question is: How did the myth that the Tau are "fish people" come about? Every source I've heard of said that they're more bovine than they are fish. Where'd the fish thing come from?
>the Tau aren't really commies
To most burgers, commies = foreign military empire. A utilitarian authority exerting coercive control through central power also describes the Imperium
most people will instinctively sympathize with the human faction more than the alien one, so tau are easier to see as a faceless foreign horde of brainwashed drones (much like commies were/are) while the Imperials are seen as a more nuanced society containing both bad guys and good guys
They would get interrupted by a larger threat, put aside their differences to defeat it, and depart with a grudging respect and everything would be back to status quo
Ultramar is a few systems. Like 8 systems.
The T'au Empire is made up of hundreds of systems and it's stated the population of one of the septs is in the many trillions.
Guess.
Also, I hope you suffer testicular torsion, you fricking coomer.
Tbf Ultramar has hive worlds too so it's not like they wouldn't have planets with trillions of people as well.
Hahaha....no. Hive worlds with trillions are vanishingly rare. Mostly you will encounter ones with tens of billions.
OP's question is pretty stupid. The T'au armies number in the billions and add to that to that billions of Kroot and other allied races. Farsight's expedition fleet for example which was part of the second sphere expansion had 100 billion T'au aboard.
Ultramar's handful of systems are vastly numbered. There are millions of suits (lowballing it here) and each crisis suit is equal or better than a marine.
outnumbered*
>T'au
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Frick off.
Tau is a human mispronunciation of the word T'au.
I'm going to start doing that as a habit just because spergs like you exist and you deserve suffering
I will now deliberately type it as T'au in all my posts.
The realm of ultramar has 500 worlds.
Worlds =/= Systems. A system just refers to a collection of worlds typically orbiting a star. Because the Warhammer world is super dense it's not uncommon for there to be dozens of worlds per system.
A star system will have one world that is habitable you fricking moron.
>dozens of worlds
Which are mostly empty. Stop arguing semantics you absolute cretin. Argue the actual fricking OP post which is between Ultramar's small empire inside the imperium and the tau empire who wins in a 1v1 fight. Holy frick.
He declared it reassembled when he came back why do you homosexuals come into this thread and not understand OP is saying the Realm of Ultramar vs. the Tau Empire holy frick am I constantly discussing things with low functioning autistic people or what?
>A star system will have one world that is habitable
That's not true at all. Especially not with terraforming.
>A star system will have one world that is habitable you fricking moron.
LOL.
The sept of Vior'la has 12 planets in it. They are all terraformed and populated. The T'au populate and inhabit everything within the sept because their world-shaping is that good.
>He declared it reassembled
Declaration=/= reality.
Most governors disobeyed Roboute and the Death Guard invasion ravaged the 500 worlds causing a massive exodus.
The Ultramarines only effectively control the systems they already own.
At least 20 of those "500 worlds" (probably more) are ruled over by 13th legion chapters e.g. Genesis, Patriarchs of Ulixis, Sons of Orar, Praetors of Orpheus, Doom Eagles, Novamarines, Libators, Inceptors, Aurora, Avenging sons, heralds of ultramar, sons of guilliman, hawk lords, maybe Eagle Warriors etc. I guess you could count the scythes too, if their homeworld was still alive. None of the normal successor chapters would even disobey Calgar, let alone Guilliman himself.
Plus Girlyman has summoned the other successors who were further away and they've all returned. e.g. White Consuls, Black Consuls, Iron Snakes, Silver Skulls etc.
>A star system will have one world that is habitable
Just off the top of my head in Warhammer 40K, Sol has both Holy Terra and Mars as planets with billions of people on them each.
Yeah, that argument is dumb. With fusion power and unbound solar energy you could turn even the most barren rock of the Solar System into places for lush paradises and resorts even if you never terraform them. You could build a mighty empire of a million little worlds in our solar system alone that would dwarf in scope, population and complexity all but the largest empires in sci-fi.
40k has never really been a sci-fi setting, though to be fair, it has a lot of built in reasons why common sense doesn't apply
Luna is inhabited as well, with an atmosphere and everything.
No. It was disbanded by Roboute shortly before he was put in a death coma by Fulgrim. The Ultramarines rule only a handful of systems.
Yeah the poor tau stand no chance.
Haven't the tau defeated crusades from several chapters such as the black Templars combined with IG armies?
They'd probably be fine.
Yes but Ultramar is unique in that:
>1) It has a large contingent of well-trained PDF who provide lots of extra manpower
>2) It's actually ran in a somewhat efficient manner, still authoritarian but shedding the grimderp stuff, kind of like the Tau Empire itself but with more xenophobia
>3) It has a Primarch
>>1) It has a large contingent of well-trained PDF who provide lots of extra manpower
Hundreds of billions of Fire Warriors + Hundreds of billions more auxiliaries > millions of PDF
>still authoritarian but shedding the grimderp stuff,
Not according to the Calgar comic.
> It's actually ran in a somewhat efficient manner,
It's recovering from the Black Legion and Death Guard invasions while the T'au Empire is practically in a golden age.
>>3) It has a Primarch
Away in the Pariah Nexus.
>Not according to the Calgar comic.
What are you referring to? Not arguing, just curious.
The Calgar comic in contrast to what GW showed us before about Ultramar is a grimdark place where slavery exists and the average lifespan in it is in the 30s.
If Torchstar was a pin-up sex symbol morale booster for the Tau troops, would the Imperium have her publicly raped if she fell into their hands as a means to demoralise their opponents? Answers on a postcard please.
I don't like Tau. I don't have a xenos fetish.
But what is it about that Tau girl that drives me crazy?
she has feet instead of hoofs
Alright, you got me.
I like the Tau now.
The Tau are going to win using shenanigans such as wormholes and dark matter, rail guns and antimatter bombs. And if that fails they can summon their twisted warp god into existence.
>muh tau coomer thread
tau dont and will never look like this
Because of GW "ugly" tax, every female that appears in GW works will be ugly by default regardless of species, nobody cares what GW does or says so if my headcanon says that tau are cute genki women then they definitely are.
But the low sexual dimorphism thing stays so tau men are also like that.
Hey, Yvraine is pretty
Also Celestine's attractive as well. Still though, the general rule is that GW makes ugly female sculpts.
Yvraine canonically should be the most beautiful thing your eyes can perceive like all eldar, it's only natural they keep some of that appeal on her, even if minimal.
New Brets are pretty
Warhammer Fantasy has some really hot/sexual characters. 40k doesn't because it's grimdark and juvenile, like the sort of edgy deathmetal shit you'd sketch in the margins of your notebook during class-time back when you were 14.
If it's Ultramar directly in danger then every Ultramarine ever and I'd imagine a whole bunch of their successors would dedicate themselves to the war effort
You'd have a Great Crusade level mobilization of the space marines, an I don't think the Tau could handle that
Nah. That didn't happen the last half a dozen times Ultramar was threatened.
Shh
There's one of three scenarios I'd like to clarify the situation first because they all make a huge difference.
1. Ultramar as it is right now declares war on the Tau Empire, but the rest of the Imperium is allowed to pay tribute and join in.
2. Ultramar as it is right now declares war on the Tau Empire in a white room and isn't allowed any reinforcements, resources or the like.
3. Scenario 2 but Ultramar gets to magically recall all of the personnel and war materiel that is normally stationed there. For fairness the Tau Empire get the same courtesy.
Purely from first thoughts. In scenario 1, probably a stalemate because it's just Tau vs Imperium again and the rest of the Imperium's battles and current issues would drag away momentum. In scenario 2, the Tau Empire wins hard because most of Ultramar's forces are elsewhere. In scenario 3, Ultramar probably wins but doesn't have an easy time of it.
Shhh sh shshshsh
Dude. Let me put it in perspective for you. In the second Damocles Conflict, the T'au fought Imperial forces equivalent in numbers to the forces defending the Caduian Gate.
And they won. Not to mention that humbled the Raven Guard chapter and their coalition of marines.
No perspective, just shush.
That's a difficult conversation because there's been a trend of GW increasing their numbers over the past decade in order to better fit with harder sci-fi. Time was Hive Cities sometimes had triple digit millions at the extreme and how we have examples of those with trillions. I'd be willing to accept a comparison with a newer source on numbers at the Cadian Gate if provided but previously I've seen numbers compared from sources quite a few editions apart which might not be the best comparison to make anymore.
Shhh
Just hush for a moment. Just a singular moment.
Not gonna
never ever take a number from a GW source at face value. and that goes double for anything from black library or tertiary sources like videogames and comics. as a matter of policy, they don't hire anyone capable of dealing with larger numbers than they can count on their fingers. any number given in any context should be assumed to be off by at least an order of magnitude.
>And they won
Didn't they push them back till a stand still until the nids came.
No. That was the first Damocles conflict aka the Damocles Crusade
bump
>Not to mention that humbled the Raven Guard chapter and their coalition of marines.
Weren't the Tau humiliated in that battle when they killed a Raven Guard Chapter Master and thought they had killed the 'king of the Space Marines'?
That's just a stupid meme from reddit like 90% of lore misconceptions.
...who?
It's the nu40k name for an old army called the Deadlifts.
I dunno, ask /40kg/
The ultramarines are xenophiles, The Space Wolves are furries, and The Emperors children are gay. Seems Space Marines inherited their fathers fetishes too. What are all of the other legions kinks? My money is on the thousand sons having a thing for the "naughty librarian" type.
Thousand Sons are masochists to the bone under this theory
The space wolves aren't actually furries, and there is literally no lore I can think of off hand that would indicate the Ultras are xenophiles.
The tau literally exist because Leman Russ got drunk and fricked 500 blue cows on a primitive world on a dare or something.
>Russ going on a bender a screwing the some of the Tau's ancestors
Fire Warriors
>Eldar tinkering with the genome
Ethereals
Water, air, and earth caste need accounting for.
Both on their own?
It could go either way, I'd give it to whomever is on the defensive for logistical reasons.
Interstellar travel is slower for Tau ships than Imperial ships but Tau ships do tend to be faster than Imperial ships in real space engagements and have longer range weapons, so strategically Ultramar will have more room to maneuver (it's been a repeated problem for then Enclaves when crossing the Damocles Gulf that threats can cross the Gulf faster than them) but in system the Tau Navy is very hard to root out. Which strategically means Ultramar may have to slow down any offensive to really get the Tau out, divide their forces to keep their logistics chain defended, or just suffer getting their logistics raided.
There is an option that UItramar potentially has that I don't think the Tau really have a counter for. Take a large well armored ship, remove all crew related to weapons and ammunition aside from a single exterminatus grade weapon, fill it up with food enough to maintain your skeleton crew for long distances, warp in as close to a Sept world as possible, blow up the planet before you get blown up. Do this 20 times and the rest of Tau can be mopped up relatively easily, you're almost certainly losing the ships but hey.
Ultramar would be winning but have to withdraw because of a hive fleet. Because status quo.
>npc xenos meme faction with kroot models nobody bought
>6'1 chadmaris marines with plot armor made by /our/ spiritual liege ward himself
I think we all know who'd win anon
this. black lion alone would be able to bring the tau empire to it's knees.
It would make a lot of sense for Guilliman to stop, take a look at the Tau, and then say "what a cool idea" and then copy it. He's a Roman LARPER and Romans copied A LOT from their enemies and rivals.
The Imperium wouldn't be able to copy pretty much any of the Tau's technology. Tau tech relies a lot of robotics and automation.
It depends if the Ultramarine fanboi Matt Ward is writting the lore or not.
Remoras should be part of the standard Tau line, not just forgeworld.
And your justification for this position?
Tau mass producing air support drones fit Tau doctrine and puts them in line with modern times.
Does any 40k army in 10th have good air units though that aren't hugely overcosted for their performance?
The storm raven is actually good enough to place competitively.
I feel like the Doom Scythe isn't *terrible*. Sure its fragile and points inefficient, but its guns are alright. The UFO look has grown on me too.
>Side A pulls out some bullshit McGuffin
>Side B makes some strategic blunder
>Side A pulls of some strategic masterstroke
>A random thing occurs that gives side A or side B an advantage or disadvantage
Whomever the writer wants to see win
What do the Tau do for fun? Are there drone/battlesuit coliseums?
>Shadowsun isn't pregnant
C'mon now.
I'm not sure we've ever really gotten a good look at "normal" Tau society? Mostly a function of the usual "is not an Imperial Faction at all so gets a tiny amount of actual lore" and what we do get is primarily war focused.
Considering the fact they're "supposed" to have a genuinely functioning society that attracts people to it (even beyond just like, offering a standard of life beyond the low bar of the Imperium), it's easy to imagine certain obvious things. Sports, especially team sports are probably popular. You can imagine something more like football, of either type but perhaps the Euro one more, for the Fire Caste. Something vaguely bloodsport-esque. Something more sedate for the Earth Caste, maybe synchronized swimming/flying for the Water and Air Castes. Probably some form of entertainment, though that's probably hideously infested with propaganda.
The real weird thing is to consider what the frick the Ethereals get up to. Putting aside all the usual sketchiness around them, what we do have makes them out to be not so much Illuminati as like, a bunch of arrogant monks that run an entire interstellar society. It's easier to imagine their lives as more regimented, more steeped in unusual habits and non-casual activity. I like to imagine they spar a lot, not because of any particular combat focus but because it fits into the "warrior-monk" aesthetic they seem to need to cultivate. Spiritual and bodily balance and all that.
>be earth caste
>meet gue’vesa for the first time
>actually pretty cool
>”earth anon, check this out”
>entertain the gue’vesa
>last time he tried to show me his ancient gue’vesa video games, even though our simulations are superior
>he instead puts a truck in front of me
>open it
>…paints?
>…small tools?
>he plus out tiny bits of plasteel
>all sorts of gue’vesa in different poses
>even a few vehicles
>”under the imperium I never really had time to play the game, just paint”
>”yeah, there’s actually rules behind all these models, earth-anon”
>this is kind of ridiculous but I humour him
>something about forty-thousand hammers (gue’vesa I swear)
>some models aren’t assembled
>”that’s the fun, earth-anon, you get to build and paint them yourself”
>before I can say anything he puts a human soldier and a paintbrush in front of me
>several months later
>we play every weekend, apparently humans don’t have those
>had earth caste create Tau miniatures
>”it’s for fun”
>we wrote some rules to balance them against his human models
>got so popular we started making miniatures of other races
>gue’vesa and Tau alike start playing in whole clubs
>”I’m glad we left the imperium, earth-anon”
>”For The Greater Good, Gue’vesa”
>I throw my dice
If the tau have given there guela ally's some of there outdated tech by now such as there older crisis suits then there is no way in hell they have not started a battle bots TV show and started up the dueling system of Battletech during the age of war on who gets to own what colony or planet a human faction is fighting over. The tau will be popping many pills to deal with all of the headaches there human helper give them with all of these shenanigans.
>tfw no Mechwarrior mercenaries type game where you kit out your battesuit and fight in the arena
I don't think Tau have enough weapon options to really make that feasible but it sounds cool at least. You'd have to make up a lot of new things or side-grades
>500 Imperial worlds
>10 chapters permanently stationed to defend it
>plus whatever other chapters are stationed there
>all the PDF, Ultramar auxilia, Ultramar defence fleet
>forge world Konor and Legio Praesagius
This means essentially nothing, unless you want it to mean anything.
Welcome to a /tg/ thread. Passing through or here to stay?
Very obviously ultramar. People talking about numbers of infantry as though that would mean anything, ultramarine combined navy > Tau navy. Its also faster. The bounce between planets shattering Tau defenses and committing orbital genocide.
This Tau propaganda is very convincing, not gonna lie.
Blueberry creampies are as good a reason as any to switch sides.
Tau win and it's not even close.
It entirely depends on the author and what they want, regardless of whether it would realistically be a fair fight or a preposterously one-sided slaughter. Everyone else in this thread is unimportant and so is their take.
basically this
>20th Sphere or expansion
The 40k universe won't last that long
also captcha = oath
taus canonically have feet though, at least as per xenology
t. nomodels secondary
Ultramar. Because the status quo is not allowed to change so drastically. Maybe after like the 20th Sphere or expansion the Tau might be allowed to capture a border system.
If you have to draw it as a cartoonish balloon animal to jack off to it, you don't actually like it.
Make us stop, then.
Looks like a janny already is lel
Oh look. Another 40K thread that was barely worth being a comment in the general.
why do I prefer middle sized boob Tomboy tau instead of huge boobs?Am I gay?
> I like tomboys
> Am I gay?
You are not gay for liking women, Anon. Please stop gaslighting yourself, or letting Twitter gaslight you.
The frick am I looking at?
Space dwarf
It looks more like a rehashed turd to me
A lesbian
Buck Angel
500 worlds vs 150
You do the math OP
>vs 150
The Tau had like 100 worlds by the time of the Taros campaign, since then they finished the 3rd sphere expansion, had the 4th sphere expansion, and are now undertaking the 5th sphere expansion. GW is allergic to numbers but its unlikely they'd have fewer than 300 planets most likely.
>this entire thread.
I like tau ascetics but I'll never give GW money. If they weren't so aggressively greedy I'd probably buy some of them just to paint for fun.
Ultramar as in? Do the Ultramarines get to summon their spare chapters (e.g. genesis chapter) too?
Or is it in the present where guilliman is back and has probably 200,000+ marines, dozens of titan legions and knight houses, tens of millions of guard, and a gigantic fleet?
The realm of ultramarines and the military forces stationed inside of it, but not those outside of it other than the Ultramar PDF and Ultramarines.
But the genesis chapter and patriarchs of ulixis send guys to the ultramarine honour guard so do those count? And genesis chapter fill in for the UM when they go below combat strength, plus theirs is the closest system to macragge, so it'd make sense to include them tbqh.
There were Titan legions in Ultramar during the Heresy, not sure if they survived it. Pretty sure there is at least 1 knight house in the Ultramar region too.
They mutually destroy each other, and the hobby is the better for it.
Seething chaoscuck detected
Hornyposting is only tolerated when it's furry or furry-adjacent
The Earth Caste exists specifically for dealing with repair
Tau incorporates Girlyman into the Greater Good as their collective spiritual liege.
>Thread repeatedly purged of the coomer filth.
>Gooner brain continues to seethe many hours later
You love to see it.
So, presuming:
>Status quo is lifted, Girlyman is asleep, T'au forces are led by Shadow Sun, and it's just the two forces
T'au win. Ultramarines are out and about in the galaxy and fighting on nearly every front they can. Ultramar is certainly a well run sector, but it gets invaded and infiltrated a LOT. The overall defense of the sector seems to have lapsed in Roboute's absence. Shadow Sun is a patient tactician, but isn't shy about taking risky and dynamic moves. Having a good record against typical PDFs, the real fight will be against the Ultramarines. Them being very "by the book" will be a weakness that Shadow Sun will use to its full effect, and even though they'll be quick to change tactics when the book fails, those early victories will be costly.
Eventually, given the premise is JUST the T'au vs JUST Ultramar, Shadow Sun will just out maneuver the Ultramar forces before they can adjust.
Now, Post Girlyman?
Not a contest. Ultramar. He's smarter, more patient, a better tactician, the Ultramarines are more focused, better organized, and with his leadership can pivot their tactics on a dime. Shadow Sun would be out classed, outgunned, and out played pretty much from the start.
If the T'au commander was Farsight vs Roboute?
Anime Fight. In Space. Lots of shouting out their moves, screaming to power up, and ending in a grudging respect for the other's power/fighting ability. If one is stronger (probably Poppa Smurf) will walk away saying something like, "challenge me again when you get stronger"
Or they crash on Bobby's Ultracouch, watch some anime, and complain about their respective factions and psych chicks they know
So anyone with even a cursory knowledge of how the Tau government works knows the Tau aren't really commies. But my question is: How did the myth that the Tau are "fish people" come about? Every source I've heard of said that they're more bovine than they are fish. Where'd the fish thing come from?
Tau are blue like fish and name many of their vehicles and aircraft after aquatic creatures
>the Tau aren't really commies
To most burgers, commies = foreign military empire. A utilitarian authority exerting coercive control through central power also describes the Imperium
the key word here is foreign
most people will instinctively sympathize with the human faction more than the alien one, so tau are easier to see as a faceless foreign horde of brainwashed drones (much like commies were/are) while the Imperials are seen as a more nuanced society containing both bad guys and good guys