if you're new to MMO's what is better to get into, WOW classic or FFXIV?

if you're new to MMO's what is better to get into, WOW classic or FFXIV?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    neither of these are mmos

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      These are the current genre defining games. It's like saying call of duty isn't an FPS because you don't shoot demons and you can aim up and down.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        there is no content in either game that involves the participation of a massive number of players. Wow may have started out with some but it no longer is there. A game of modern battlefield has more players interacting with eachother at a time than any content in world of warcraft or final fantasy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          lmfao that's like saying a tabletop rpg isn't actually a tabletop rpg because it didn't come with a board to set the pieces on.
          definitions have been changing for longer than you've been alive, cuckservative.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Tabletop RPGs still retain all the mechanics associated with the genre whether you play them on a table or on a website. FFXIV and modern WoW do not retain any of the mechanics that define the MMO genre, so they are not MMOs. Just like you are not a woman.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              "define the MMO genre" in this case meaning "i will pretend for 300 posts that Everquest is the only MMORPG that has ever existed"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Everquest is not the only MMORPG that has existed, but it does have all the mechanics that define something as an MMORPG, yes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >JUST BECAUSE IT'S PLAYED IN THIRD PERSON AND THERE'S NO SHOOTING DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER DEFINITIONS CHANGE /misc/CHUD GOLAN BRUNCH DID THIS HE BRAINWASHED YOU THAT'S WHY YOU HATE FFXIV ISN'T IT IT'S BECAUSE OF /misc/!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yep. Nothing MMO about sitting inside an instanced dungeon or instanced raid or instanced battleground or instanced arena or instanced "open-world" shard/layer.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this, play hordes.io

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >.io
        dismissed lol. anything with .io in it is bound to be shit.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    neither
    dont play MMOs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      spbp
      The only way a MMO is worth getting into is if you're playing it with a friend circle, and even then I'd suggest to do literally anything else.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Palworld

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it might be a meme answer but actually those survival crafting games with PvE are often better at giving an oldschool MMO experience than actual MMOs

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Make a Second Life account like a normal person if you want to ERP so bad.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FF for sure. It's too late to start playing WoW.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      FF has fricking awful endgame. The dungeons are all straight lines with two packs of trash and a simplistic boss. The raids are braindead easy even at ult level. There is no hope for the people that struggle to clear any of that baby level shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The raids are braindead easy even at ult level
        Have you seen wotlk classic raids? Or SoD's BFD?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > raids are braindead easy even at ult level
        Yeah, if you cheat. Those last two ultimates are anything but easy on patch.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do you enjoy western games and autism grinding? Play WoW.

    Do you enjoy Japanese games and anime stories that play into power fantasies of being the guy who punches people really hard and saves the day? Do you enjoy dressing up your character in thousands of different outfits that can all be mixed and matched and dyed? Do you enjoy Japanese buttrock and cringe-kino anime music? Do you enjoy e-fricking grown men and having a grown man playing a lithe and petite catgirl call you "daddy"? Play FFXIV.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MMOs suck ass. Play anything else.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    totally organic thread definitely not made for shit-flinging

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FF has better music, story, and characters
    WoW has better raids.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >FF
      >better music
      Stopped reading there.
      Kneel

      ?si=-e6CnGiq4ndjESpn

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >WoW track

        stopped listening right there

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >listening
          Stopped posting right there

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        damn this is putting me to sleep
        post good music to wake me up

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i gotchu dawg

          context for wowgays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLs3CoxBvVc

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >red barons theme starts playing

            SOVL

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wow, they really butchered the 14 version
            It was such a great moment in IV, too
            Did they even bother with the prelude lead in where everyone sends their prayers? That's an important part of the lead in to the Zeromus theme

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Did they even bother with the prelude lead in where everyone sends their prayers?
              lol no

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There's no prayer sequence in XIV's Zeromus fight, nothing contrarian about it, you can start melting now little cultist

                Are you guys genuinely moronic? The prayer sequence didn’t happen because they already used it for the Endsinger.
                >but that’s at the end hurrdurr
                So what. It was still a clear reference to FFIV Zeromus. Endwalker is one big IV reference.
                Yiu should actually get mad over how The Watcher wasn’t named Fusoya

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Did they even bother with the prelude lead in where everyone sends their prayers?
              lol no

              why would they
              they already did that with Endsinger

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Did they even bother with the prelude lead in where everyone sends their prayers?
              lol no

              I love being contrarian bros
              fuels my superiority complex

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There's no prayer sequence in XIV's Zeromus fight, nothing contrarian about it, you can start melting now little cultist

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                see

                [...]
                why would they
                they already did that with Endsinger

                it's a 1v1 fight so why would there be a prayer sequence you drooling moron
                a lot of homage battles in xiv are 1:1

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it's a 1v1 fight
                It's not but it's pretty hilarious that the game's biggest wienersuckers don't even play it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it's not

                it's just WoL vs him
                none of the scions help
                i don't know why your prayer should would matter for 7 summoned players

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                iif it's not then who else fights alongside wol

                >dude it's a 1v1 fight as long as you ignore the 7 other players
                You know Endsinger didn't have the Scions either right? They prayed for the 7 other players there

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the other scions were fighting moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why don't you play the game you're defending?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the other scions were fighting shades of the fiends while you're fighting zeromus you FRICKING moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >backpedaling
                You claimed Zeromus was a 1v1 fight

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                how in the frick is that backpedalling you fricking idiot
                it was a 1v1 fight because as I just fricking stated the other scions were off fighting other shit

                are you fricking braindead

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                bro you might be moronic

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >ZEROMUS IS A 1V1 FIGHT CHUD LIKE ALL THE REFERENCE FIGHTS (they aren't)
                >actually it's not lmao
                >WELL OBVIOUSLY I MEANT THAT THE SCIONS AREN'T THERE SO THEY CAN'T PRAY FOR YOU!
                >that was also the case in Endsinger
                >AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                how in the frick is that backpedalling you fricking idiot
                it was a 1v1 fight because as I just fricking stated the other scions were off fighting other shit

                are you fricking braindead

                You're both fricking stupid, now shut up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you need to learn when to stop and admit you're wrong

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >backpedaling
                You claimed Zeromus was a 1v1 fight

                since you have azem's crystal, every trial except the mothercrystal is a canonical 1v1

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What was the ability of Azem's crystal again?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                look it up
                the hint is (you)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I know what it is, I just want you to say it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                then if you know, why keep saying that it isn't a 1v1? and if you agree that zeromus was indeed a 1v1, we both agree and the discussion can end here

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because the ability of Azem's crystal is to summon friends to your side. Do you not know what 1v1 means or something? It means one person versus one person, not eight people versus one person.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Because the ability of Azem's crystal is to summon friends to your side.
                Please tell me, who are those friends you call during the Trials again?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Friends WoL has made off-screen in through the adventurers' guild. Let me guess, you have some headcanon that the spell clones WoL despite the game saying otherwise?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Friends WoL has made off-screen in through the adventurers' guild
                Wrong
                >Let me guess, you have some headcanon that the spell clones WoL despite the game saying otherwise?
                The game reiforces it when the Exarch summon your other reflections to fight Hades as an Unsudered Azem

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                [EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, that's why I said Trials. In 6.0 you summoned the Scions, Emet and Hythlo. Those aren't clearly your reflections. The players you fight along are your other reflections

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                [EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

                >The game reiforces it when the Exarch summon your other reflections to fight Hades as an Unsudered Azem
                There aren't even seven other Azem shards left at the time that happens. There aren't even seven other Azem shards left at the time the game begins. Dumb motherfricker. The game tells you several times that the ability of the Azem stone is to call friends from afar. When you use it to call Emet-Selch from the Lifestream is that an Azem clone?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The game reiforces it when the Exarch summon your other reflections to fight Hades as an Unsudered Azem
                There aren't even seven other Azem shards left at the time that happens. There aren't even seven other Azem shards left at the time the game begins. Dumb motherfricker. The game tells you several times that the ability of the Azem stone is to call friends from afar. When you use it to call Emet-Selch from the Lifestream is that an Azem clone?

                7 calamities
                6 times rejoined
                add another one with Ardbert
                previous trials such as primals, yeah, clearly adventurers

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >7 calamities
                >6 times rejoined
                Seven Calamities, seven times rejoined. That's what a Calamity is, it's a rejoining. By the time you acquire the Azem stone there are only six shards remaining. From the First, you already absorbed Ardbert leaving five potential shards. The Thirteenth's shard is a voidsent, so there are four shards remaining. That's not a trial party. Listen to what the game tells you instead of inventing stupid bullshit headcanon to win arguments on Ganker.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, the 13th reflection being a voidsent was a curve ball i wasn't expecting, i really thought that zero would be another reflection
                either way, calling random adventurers to fight against the Endcaller makes zero sense. Less so that a bit of rejoin inconsistencies

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >either way, calling random adventurers to fight against the Endcaller makes zero sense.
                They're supposed to be your friends. I know you have no idea what an MMO is supposed to be about, but you should at least be able to follow the story and see how the bonds of friendship are pretty central to Azem's character. The developers went and introduced a canon method for calling your friends to join you. FYI, WoL also literally walked to the adventurers' guild and recruited random adventurers for going to kill the Twelve too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i concede, i don't have the energy to sustain my headcanon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The game reiforces it when the Exarch summon your other reflections to fight Hades as an Unsudered Azem
                There aren't even seven other Azem shards left at the time that happens. There aren't even seven other Azem shards left at the time the game begins. Dumb motherfricker. The game tells you several times that the ability of the Azem stone is to call friends from afar. When you use it to call Emet-Selch from the Lifestream is that an Azem clone?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yes because they weren't busy fighting other shit like when you're fighting zeromus
                did you even play the fricking game

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                iif it's not then who else fights alongside wol

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No, they didn't. Prologue is great, one of the best recurring songs in FF and leave a huge impact in FF4's final fight. Red Wings for the second phase was really good though. Not a fan of Zeromus remix.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes they did.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >moronic drum and bass beat over choir singing
            >good
            kek try some melodic orchestral brilliance where you can actually get lost in the world

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Here's the final boss theme from arguably the best raid in the game

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it's the same song from 30 years ago but with modern instruments this time so it's automatically kino

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They're both good. I'm sick of this 'old good new bad' mentality for everything.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                why do autists always look up images when they have no argument

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The argument is that you're not actually tired of 'old good new bad' as the image shows you exhibit that very opinion when it comes to other games, you're actually just tired of people making fun of the game you worship

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that wasn't my post you fricking imbecile

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's literally the same filename LMFAO

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Same filename

                and?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                When you download images using Gankerx it keeps the filename dumdum.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                do you not realize images aren't all the same person?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Same filename

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ok cool so you're a newbie

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                to be fair he isn't wrong
                compilation shit ruined ff7

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it's weak deflection

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you're not allowed to like both

                nta but this is true
                compilation shit sucks

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't like this remix initially but it grew on me, it captures the rushed desperation of the original pretty well

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Same. When I heard it after it leaked on Ganker, my only thought was "WTF?", but after seeing it in the actual fight, it fits very well.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          xiv does have great music but for some reason you only see people recommend boss fight music

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous


          LET ME FEEL THE POWER THAT CAN RIP ME TO SHREDS

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zqw58SSCyM

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Only a moron thinks WoW has better music. you can hate FF all you want but they're undefeatable in music.
        I'm gonna guess you just haven't heard the music.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Let me guess, you're gonna pull out j-rock for boomers because so epic d00d

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            FF14 has every genre of music. Nothing calls you out more than thinking it's all jrock.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              FF XiV is musical theatre.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >WoWbucks are this moronic
          lol
          lmao

          This has to be a troll post.

          discord link?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You don’t play either MMO

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >WoWbucks are this moronic
        lol
        lmao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This has to be a troll post.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's okay audience but this is like 15 years old. those people moved on.

        SWTOR has godlike soundtrack. FF XIV has extremely catchy motifs and melodies.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You dumb Black person. You brainless homosexual.
        If you want to wienersock WoW you talk about gameplay reactivity, questing, arguably class customization, and nothing else.
        But to try and say the music is better is more moronic than any troony nonsense imaginable.
        ANY FF track clears EVERY WoW track.
        Even legit good shit you're nostalgia blind to, like Invincible and Grizzly Hills is shit on by regular ass zone themes.

        ?si=L-Bpxqgj_iIxznp8
        Regular ass dungeon themes

        ?si=kQt4mm71-XtkOVK_
        And obviously trial and expansion themes.

        ?si=TjRZcim5Y82Qq7UW
        Mother fricker even old ass goddamn start screen music clears

        ?si=APez8jWGnw-QQPwf

        WoW's music is just ambiance and nothing else. Low variety, low complexity, low effort.
        This isn't arguable, this isn't debatable, this isn't disputable.
        This is a fact. Nothing more.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          relax dude it's bait

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I knew it was bait going into it.
            I don't hate bait for getting replies, I hate it for the morons who parrot it until it's accepted as truth.
            It causes chaos, and I can't ignore that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        skyrim > wow

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >characters
      this meme needs to stop. no weeb game has ever had good characters. Alphinaud alone is reason enough to stay as far away from XIV as possible.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >sweeping generalization
        Opinion discarded. People love Emet for a reason.
        WoW has the jailer.
        Compare the two and we know who is the winner.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >emet
          >troony-faced man wearing a dress
          my point still stands. i also never claimed that WoW has good characters. they both suck equally in that regard.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >UMMMM, You can't like him sweatie, because he looks weird
            Great point.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              a character needs to look the part to be a good character, and Emet doesn't

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                KEK. What a fricking moron. How is that even remotely true?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >How is that even remotely true?
                >troony-faced man wearing a dress
                it's impossible to take him serious

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Excellent bait

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FFXIV isn't an MMO

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    mogged by Palworld

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ragnarok Online

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Assuming you mean vanilla wow and not wrath then WoW classic easily mogs the frick out of FF and any other mmo if you want an actual world you can get lost in

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WOTLK classic is on its last legs.
    I refuse to play Season of Dicksucking
    Classic HC is too autistic.
    My sub runs out this Saturday.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    neither, if you haven't experienced your first MMO yet, don't waste it on games that are this old, with a cynical, established fanbase, unironically wait for the next big thing and you'll have a better time

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FFXIV was flavor of the month. Actual good game is WOW

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >FOTM
      >has more players than WoW
      ??

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Shadowbringers has been out for like 4 years, my. man.

        FFXIV was more “””””popular””””” for like a month or two. There was no verified sources saying the game had more players. It’s ridiculous.
        It’s a nonsense situation, WOW is at one of its peaks right now with HC, Classic, DF and more. It’s gargantuan.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          30,000,000 confirmed players as of last fanfest...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Those are lifetime subscriptions. If you paid for 1 month and played for 1 day, eight years ago, you counted.
            Newsflash: WOW exceeds 200 million

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yep, I know which MMO I’m sticking with. 30 million players and 100% recommended by critics. Also, our game isn’t made by a rapist.

            >xiv after 10 years
            >30 million registered accounts
            >eso after 10 years
            >24 million registered accounts
            But Ganker is telling me XIV is bigger than wow? lol

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Game that came out many years earlier and revolutionized the mmo genre
              >Somehow retail has less players than FF
              >Everyone is playing classic WoW
              It's almost like game is shit and the only people that still play it for classic are boomers trying to relive their glory days

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                retail has less players than FF
                Is this just cope or mental illnesses? HRT gone wrong?

                Xiv with 500k active monthly users is not beating shit lol

                Not even HC wow, let alone classic or retail

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                retail is dead as frick.
                t.actually played it last month

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Retail doesn't even have 1000 clears on the latest mythic dude... The game is super dead.
                99% of the content people stream on twitch is either for drops or streamers doing hardcore for the challenge. Wouldn't surprise me if Black Desert has more players than retail WoW at this point.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                pre nerf tyndral seeds by themselves are harder than every ffxiv ultimate combined

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >moronic trannies doesn't understand difficulty

                The game is just that hard, little troony, you know how many guilds killed art has heroic before the nerfs? And that shit was way easier than anything from post legion.

                Oh wait you're just a moronic Black person using mythic stats just to cope with your moronic dead game.

                I'm sure with all your cope xiv will be able to beat wow one day.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't even talk about XIV. I am just saying shitty ass retail is dead.
                >dude its so hard
                There is literally nothing to do in retail besides raiding and PvP. And PvP numbers are way down as well. Everyone is shitting on Dragonflight for a reason. And it's no surprise than whenever people talk about WoW its usually about Classic or HC.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                PvP numbers are down because blizzard finally caved and gave the pvpers what they thought they wanted, solo queue
                turns out turning a team game into a solo-q hellscape isnt a good idea

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > I am just saying shitty ass retail is dead.
                Because the hardest difficulty has a low clear-rate? 1100 guilds killed argus, was Legion also dead?
                Are you moronic or just extra black?
                >There is literally nothing to do in retail besides raiding and PvP
                You're literally describing classic.
                But of course you have to deflect with another moronic take after getting called out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >was legion also dead
                it was. You literally weren't allowed to raid if you didn't have parse of the last 5 expansions. Only pugs that would form were pugs with clears already so it was literally impossible to participate which led to huge amount of people unsubbing at the end and also being one of the reason nobody put up with bfa too long.
                t.actually played during that time

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Blizzdrones actually believe this
          You can’t help them, can you?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >25 oct 2020
        >google trends
        >mmopopulation
        Black person, its 2024, wake the frick up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Shadowbringers has been out for like 4 years, my. man.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >game is over a decade old and still going strong
      >FOTM

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://ravendawn.online/en/
    better than both

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OH WOW ABOTHER THREAD WHERE PEOPLE ARE UPSET AT FFXIV

    WHODATHUNKIT

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >retail wow
    besides the troony/n words being introduced into everything, it's very hard finding a good reliable m+ group/raid group, and this will make your life miserable because there's not much else to do
    >classic wow (wotlk)
    ruined by gdkp gays
    >classic wow (sod)
    p2 is coming soon so might be worth getting into it now, but it's very imbalanced and also has the problems of every other iteration of wow (people extremely minmaxx over extremely simple content means you have to play meta shit to get groups for patchwerk-tier bosses)
    >ffxiv
    devs/square barely putting any effort into the game at all, even the story which people used to laud is phoned in atm. Xpac coming in ~6 months, game currently has nothing going on

    honorable mention to gw2/bdo/eso - they also suck wiener

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sod is the only thing worth a damn and it's wow's literal last stand. Also i host a ms>os raid on all my alts where i don't give a frick and clear every 3 days stop being a pussy and host what you want in the game.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >and it's wow's literal last stand
        retail might be creatively/popularly dead, but they can just print out classic gimmicks then follow it up with "classic vanilla vanilla' endlessly, we're nowhere near the bottom of blizz's barrel yet.

        SoD isn't really that interesting though, it has most of the faults of both classic/retail and not much good going for it. Hoping the p2 changes are interesting enough to give you build options and make something other than fury/rogue meta for once in classic's history

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          no, but the level brackets are nice so you can experience those dungeons more than you normally would. Thus you basically have a easy to create raid. I love my shaman tank which actually has a lot of changes hopefully i can do some damage in gnomey with some 2 hand rune or something

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if youre new to MMOs just dont fricking get into them or play wizards101

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Final Fantasy has a far more generous free trial, you can play for hundreds of hours for free and it has the Novice Network a chat specifically designed to help new players along with giving new players a Sprout above their heads which veteran players will treat you extra nice and help you out.
    WoW has nothing like that, free trial until level 20 in retail but that's nothing you can blast that in about 5-10 hours and you're done.
    FF14 players/ community on the whole is also far more welcoming to new players than WoW, WoW likes to Gatekeep and if you don't have certain gear you will be locked out of content/ dungeons e.t.c. and there are a lot of shit bucket players who hate new players in WoW.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone in this thread saying FF doesn't know what an MMO is and are just advertising a visual novel.
    Just go classic.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Even if WoW were the objectively better game, you are a mindslave cuck for continuing to give blizzard money and you should be ashamed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      True. Never again.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyways OP, as you can tell by this thread neither game is worth your time. Play any of the games in this image instead.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I was liking the list until I saw DA:O in shit tier.
      How? That game is fricking amazing.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you're thinking about trooning out, FF.
    if you want the most unbalanced garbage in the most boring, easy raids, classic.
    if you want actual endgame content with somewhat balanced, fun to play classes, retail WoW.
    if you want an actual roleplaying experience, ESO.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >if you want actual endgame content with somewhat balanced, fun to play classes, retail WoW
      kek, its always funny trying to imagine if theres actually still people pathetic enough to play wow or if posts like this are just making fun of people who don't actually exist anymore

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >FFXIV is the troon game
      >meanwhile the canonical god of the afterlife in WoW is a troony
      Explain

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        wow is definitely the bigger troony game, it has troony characters and troony devs, but xiv has cute and attractive characters, so it attracts the kind of trannies that don't completely want everything around them to be as ugly as they are

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FF actually introduces you to the world and game while WoW has a fricking abysmal new player experience

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why are mmo troons so embarassing seeing this thread try to "own" one each other is cringy as frick. and i know that these aren't zoomers and their fortnite because only boomers play mmos now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no seriously why

      why are you homosexuals like this, aren't you guys grown men? you act like high schoolers flinging for your favorite ballsport team

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    one thing I kinda disliked about ff14 when I played it was that the gear was super boring. It was like a worse version of gearscore/ilvl. Just get better items to slightly increase the same boring stats. shit was so soulless

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Half the pro FF statements in this thread just sound like salty exes who are mad wow still exists despite Shadowlands and a rape lawsuit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But all the anti FF posts are just spamming "troony troony troony".
      Seems more like the WoWgays are butthurt people dropped their game.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honest answer? If you're into MMO's you want to ask yourself first what kind of aesthetic, theme do you like?
    >If you are aware of what Final Fantasy JRPG style games look like, the themes, the storylines of the previous single player games and you like that then of course FF14.
    >ESO, if you wanted multiplayer Oblivion/ Skyrim
    >Swtor, if you wanted a dececnt Bioware story (although the game engine is much of a WoW clone) theme is obviously sci-fi star wars
    >Want a more traditional look at western fantasy then WoW, probably Classic is the best for this Retail I have no experience with so someone else will have to explain what theme retail is now.
    >DCOnline, if you want to be a Superhero and fight alongside Superman or the Joker with other people

    I'm going to list a few other MMOs out there but I have little to no experience in them yet think they are deserving of a mention
    >New World
    >Lost Ark
    >Phantasy Star Online
    >Black Desert
    >Old School Rune Scape

    In summary, research the mmo based on your own personal gaming taste, what you like to see in games first then try it would be my recommendation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Lost Ark
      >PSO
      >MMOs
      I am laffin!

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ok so what I’m getting from this thread is that XIV is better. I’ll be sure to check out the free trial then. Thanks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yea, free trial is great. Even includes Stormblood now. Enjoy

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As others have already pointed out earlier (and I know this is going to trigger FFXIV, but I'm sorry, you're just zoomers with no experience) FFXIV is not an MMO. If you want an SE MMO, FFXI is still there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      FFXIV has been out in some form or other for 13 years, you know that right? Why am I even bothering replying to this crap bait, you're like this in every thread where FFXIV is mentioned.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm some boogeyman that exists in every thread where FFXIV is mentioned
        meds, lil'zoom zoom.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Brother, FFXIV 1.0 was in 2011. I was one year out of college. I'm 36 now. Agreed that FFXI is the better game, I've been playing retail since 2004.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >thought I liked MMOs
    >tried doing bozja, eureka or like even crafting
    >get bored out of my mind except for the big raids like DR
    >now I just enjoy slowly doing story stuff or progging raids
    bros...maybe I just don't like MMOs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What a stupid post. Don't listen to morons, Eureka/Bozja is not reminiscent of old MMO grinds at all.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SWTOR

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I can't recommend wow at all. Retail doesn't let you play the game. Queues take hours to pop since the game is dead as frick and endgame is filled with tryharding cliques that won't do content with you since you don't have parses or your gearscore is too low. It's literally impossible to play and more of a single player experience these days. Highly recommend to play literally anything else. On top of that the game is pozzed as frick and full of Black folk and troony npcs.

    SOD: bit better and the only active part of wow. You play for 10 hours until you reach max level of 25 and then only log in twice a week for 30 minutes to raid because there is nothing else to do.

    FFXIV: actually great game with tons of issues. Only mmo that actually feels like an mmo.

    FFXI: more active than retail wow. Hard to get into at the start but once you got the hang of things the comfiest game over all

    Runescape: autism the game. Great to kill years of your life with cool music and dialogue/writing.

    Guild Wars 1 & 2. Both dead games but gw1 is worth any time since it's playable solo and the music is made by jeremy soule who also composed for morrowind. 2 is full of trannies and jeremy got falsly accused of rape and metoo'd. b***h got away and nothing happened.

    ESO: pretty game but boring as frick due to level scaling and meh plot. Tons of great ideas that just didn't come through good enough. Its really boring and I wish it wasn't

    Overall FFXIV is the best one right now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >FFXIV: actually great game with tons of issues. Only mmo that actually feels like an mmo.
      Yeah, levelling up yourself whilst watching bunch of poorly animated cutscenes is what MMOs are all about right? Can't forget the worst itemisation in the genre, zero character building, useless and dead open-world, hallway dungeons and boring class design.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        compared to wow cutscenes? FFXIV cutscenes are great. Wow doesn't have any character building either since you just rip a build from icyveins anyway because if you don't nobody will play with you. If you want prove just remember how people had to make new characters because they chose the wrong faction in shadowlands and weren't min max until blizzard fixxed it literally 8 months later. Same for SOD. Everyone is playing the same build. There is no such thing as character building. The community is too brainrotten for that and blizzard too incompetent to do it right.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Your pic and post reminded me about that femscalie that died in the first zone of Dragonflight, comparing her to the first fem Hyur that died in Shadowbringers is like day and night, even if both of them were only around for 2-3 quests their death and the effect it had on the characters could actually be felt in XIV unlike in WoW where the character is forgotten by the next quest.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I never brought up WoW, because I've never even fricking played it. You people are all seem to hate WoW yet you're all equally obsessed with it.
          Any MMO where you level up by watching cutscenes is shit. FFXIV is the worst game I've ever seen trying to pass it self off as an "MMORPG", but the game and parties are small as shit and has zero character building or meaningful progression. The only choice you have as a player is what variety of DPS/Healer/Tank you want to play, and they all basically do the same shit anyway. The only reason I made it to endgame in XIV was to play with my friends, but even those fricking morons haven't played the game since October 2022.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you gotta try harder next time buck

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Try harder at what? I described the game exactly how it is and you have no rebuttal for anything I said, so your only response was anger.

              Take it this way
              the world is fricking BARREN in 14 because it's only used for leveling and that's it. At least WoW has world quests, quest hubs with rep, event hubs every patch for collectibles you can come back and do, etc. 14 has absolutely nothing. Leveling from 1 to max level right now in FF14 is a depressing experience outside of your daily dungeon.

              Again, haven't played WoW, so I can't comment on any of that, but FFXIV has those FATE events in the open-world. Except nobody ever does them because the reward for doing so is garbage amounts of EXP. Which means the most effective way of levelling after you finish the story, is to just spam braindead hallway dungeons until level 81 and then suffer through one of the ugliest and most empty zones in gaming, Bozja. Don't know why the moronic devs didn't make Fates give better EXP.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                NGMI troony.
                [...]
                truth.
                [...]
                the FATE events are cute at best and hardly consistent way to level.
                [...]
                The hardest WoW mechanics have ever been are inconsistent. for instance, BFA is known to be an extremely simple design for bosses. However, it has 1 or 2 autism bosses like the final worm boss of Uldir. In general most WoW bosses are not complex, and the rotations have only become easier with time. Classic has also showcased that the old rotations where never hard either.

                i miss fate trains in ARR. frick i even miss the community in ARR. people were a lot less homosexualy back then.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Take it this way
            the world is fricking BARREN in 14 because it's only used for leveling and that's it. At least WoW has world quests, quest hubs with rep, event hubs every patch for collectibles you can come back and do, etc. 14 has absolutely nothing. Leveling from 1 to max level right now in FF14 is a depressing experience outside of your daily dungeon.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Join an FC, it'll improve your experience tenfold I promise you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I did.
                I tried to play because my friend who I love very much played the game and I wanted to play with him.
                Mind you, I play many games, many old games where you put high amounts of effort like fricking Quest 64 or Phantasy Star II.
                But this game was just too depressing and grindy. Especially when I got bored of Black Mage being just a WoW Warlock for toddlers and wanted to try the other jobs. I had no quests to play them. I only had the main story to get exp and the daily dungeon. The world barren, of course. I got to like lvl 60 and I decided to drop it. The most engaging fun I had was healing the little daily dungeon but I couldn't spam dungeons like WoW for leveling. I had to slog as Bmage through boring fedex quests or kill x of y. frick it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Got to 60 and dropped it
                Shame just ten more levels and you could access Eureka and then ten more you'd be at Bojza, not to mention the Diadem for crafters. Those are the "Open World" mmo areas you'd be used to seeing in a traditional mmo, unfortunately FF14 doesn't explain too well those areas existing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah IDK. I gave it a shot. But if it takes 70 hours to get good, it's not worth it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                if you don't like it at all by level 50 or even level 30 you really should just turn the game off and stop playing tbh
                that is more than enough time for the story to become worth following and for you to make an informed decision on whether you hate the game or not

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                by lvl 30 they were talking about some big bad ancient evil primals. and some looming empire in the horizon
                I had 0 emotional investment in either.
                by 50 the story just finished with the first primals.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >by 50 the story just finished with the first primals.
                what, no it didn't

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                sorry if I'm wrong. It's been awhile.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                how the hell'd you forget the whole gaius stretch of the game

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that's how boring the story was.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                me when i lie

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Obsessed

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              This and

              >FFXIV: actually great game with tons of issues. Only mmo that actually feels like an mmo.
              Yeah, levelling up yourself whilst watching bunch of poorly animated cutscenes is what MMOs are all about right? Can't forget the worst itemisation in the genre, zero character building, useless and dead open-world, hallway dungeons and boring class design.

              FFXIV is a lobby simulator/single player RPG, not an MMO. This drives FFXIV players so insanely mad that they accuse everyone of being the same person and a blizzard or whatever boogeyman.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Guild wars 2
      Frick I forgot about that game, tried it but just couldn't get into it. One of the best payment models for an mmo, that and New World.
      Overall agree with your overview.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SoD and WOTLK classic are both good. especially if you never enjoyed WOTLK.

      14 is just boring after you raid in WoW. It's just the worst type of playerbase mingling in easy(and boring) content. The story is bad in both games. at least SoD and WOTLk the story doesn't matter.

      Runescape is too autistic to bother with. it's a blue pill you should not take if you want to make it in life.

      Guild Wars is dead and doesn't matter.

      ESO is just bad. It's a shame because It had good ideas.

      The best one right now, as anon stated,

      Neither.
      come play PSO1 with /vr/

      playing this or better smaller scale games.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >FF
        >bad story
        Weak bait

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Both PSO2 and FF have shonen-tier garbage that take themselves too seriously. at least PSO2 knows it;s a light-hearted anime fan service game. FF thinks it's the next shakespeare. And at best it's slightly pretentious, at worst it's one of those B tier animes that thinks it rivals the best of Seinen. It's not good. And the worst part? It's supposedly the best and only drive in leveling through the game.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            did PSO2 win any awards for it's story

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            don't listen to this newbie. PSO2 story is the most branmeltingly moronic garabage ever created. The only good thing about pso2 was the combat and afking at the caffee. Thats it. Dead game.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            at least WoW was good. 14 was good, but it's been a while since it hasn't, and there's no way to enjoy that once again.
            Sorry. mingling with strangers online and decorating houses is too low T for me.

            lol shut the frick up

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          story is a novelty at best. generic shonen at worst. Yoshi-P is a hack and i'm tired of people pretending he's not.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It obvious you don't know the story. So why pretend otherwise?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Runescape is too autistic to bother with. it's a blue pill you should not take if you want to make it in life.
        i would still f2p runescape, its just too much of a classic to not

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >pro wow
        >anti-xiv

        not obvious enough

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          at least WoW was good. 14 was good, but it's been a while since it hasn't, and there's no way to enjoy that once again.
          Sorry. mingling with strangers online and decorating houses is too low T for me.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        bait post

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Runescape is too autistic to bother with. it's a blue pill you should not take if you want to make it in life.
      i would still f2p runescape, its just too much of a classic to not

      >Great to kill years of your life
      LOLMAO NO

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        little bro is upset or something

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          y w nb aw

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Only mmo that actually feels like an mmo
      I'm literally playing it right now and having a great time but what a load of horseshit. It is a single-player JRPG with occasional lobby-based group content. It is as much of an "MMO" in the traditional sense as Phantasy Star Online or Destiny.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >FFXIV
        >Only mmo that actually feels like an mmo.
        Oh my god can you fricking secondary zoomer pieces of shit get the frick out of my genre already?

        it's ff game first mmo 2nd. The mmo part doesn't start until you start the mmo part which is all endgame content/ farms/ dungeons/ raids/ bozja and eureka. Meanwhile if you burn out you can actually socialize and do non combat activities to relax with other players. You just are salty because ffxiv is by nature more of an mmo than the slopt that wow is these days. Keep seething

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the mmo part which is all endgame content/ farms/ dungeons/ raids/ bozja and eureka
          THAT'S NOT WHAT AN MMO FRICKING IS YOU CANCEROUS FRICKING NORMALgay ZOOMER PIECE OF SHIT FRICK OFF GET THE FRICK OUT OF MY GENRE MMOS ARE NOT ABOUT QUEUEING INTO INSTANCED DUNGEONS AND GRINDING FRICKING GEAR SCORE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >more schizo screeching
            just go dialate somewhere else you mentally disabled troon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't even say it was bad, just that out of all the modern choices it's the least "MMO", which is undeniably true. Go and get some fresh air, angry moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE
            you should maybe take your own advice you illiterate idiot.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >semantics
              So you give up, thanks. Wasn't interested in arguing with ESL simpletons anyway.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you might be actually moronic but I accept your pathetic concession and lack of arguments you fricking clown

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Absolutely malding over an imagined allegiance to a computer game I haven't played since 2014. What is wrong with you LMAO?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah you are MALDING indeed because you got btfo by actual reasoning and couldn't provide any counter arguments and now you write like a gay because your feelings got hurt. Grow up you pathetic manchild

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                All this buttfrustration because I said your game was good. Am I talking to a chatbot?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you keep dodging and MALDING but can't provide any arguments. You are fricking moronic kid no matter how much you pretend to be in the right. Go clown in some other thread you illiterate moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it's ff game first mmo 2nd
                There's nothing to dodge because you literally agreed with me in the first sentence of your weird servile babbling LOL. Do you genuinely have brain damage?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >he's still seething
                gyatt damn I must have really messed with your head kid. Enjoy my dick penetrating your mind for the rest of your life (rent free) troony

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                and fifa is an rpg because you play the role of a soccer player

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                if fifa had fictional characters, fictional setting, and a story arc, yeah

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                holy shit troony I really fricked you up hard. It's really this shrimple. Oh man if I were you I'd kill myself. Emberassing. Everyone check this clown out ahahahaahah

                mindbroken

                there arent two brain cells among the three of you to rub together and understand my post

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Final Fantasy XIV
                >2013 ff game first massively multiplayer online role-playing game 2nd

                wowbucks are so desprate it will never be not funny

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry that you said something and regret it because it looks bad in your pretend internet argument.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you got btfo already. You are only being more moronic. Go take your meds and a shower already you fat Black person lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's funny because you're definitely brown and live in a country controlled by gangs. Posting from an internet cafe filled with flies or something haha. I'm going to continue playing FFXIV now if you don't mind.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >no u
                you might actually be sub 60 IQ Black person didn't even read the rest. Go back to your drooling corner you butthurt troony

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >didn't even read the rest
                I know you did and I know it cut deep.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                christ you really got btfo hard didn't you? 100% you won't be able to sleep at night because of how fricking hard you got btfo in this thread. All you do is seethe and couldn't provide a single argument. This Black person is trooning hard man

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Reply again if you're brown.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the three of you
                all me

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what's there to understand. you made a shitty fifa joke, wasn't even funny nor clever
                by that logic, mobas are rpgs

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                holy shit troony I really fricked you up hard. It's really this shrimple. Oh man if I were you I'd kill myself. Emberassing. Everyone check this clown out ahahahaahah

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                mindbroken

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Final Fantasy XIV
                >2013 ff game first massively multiplayer online role-playing game 2nd

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                this is where the troon conceded btw. He's been malding all thread ever since

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lol brown

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                keep seething shitskin no amount of no u will make you unbutthurt. Wowbucks really are THIS fricking buckbroken

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >FFXIV
      >Only mmo that actually feels like an mmo.
      Oh my god can you fricking secondary zoomer pieces of shit get the frick out of my genre already?

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WoW is as anti-new-pleyer-friendly as it gets
    Holy shit what kind of a moron would recommend it to someone new to MMOs?

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wanna insult shitters, have fun gameplay, do raidlogging, pvp and gank people, play WoW

    wanna enjoy le comfy game with troons and enjoy basic shonen anime story? play FF14

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WoW if you want to PvP
    WoW if you want the better open world
    FF if you care about end game raiding
    FF if you want an actual story

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      FF raids are objectively worse.
      20min fireworks basic tank and spanks and extremely easy to dodge attacks.

      Also no one is bringing this up but WoW runs better 120 no problem in toasters. FF does not.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ultimates > all WoW content

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This. Savages alone are harder than most mythic bosses in WoW. Ultimate is harder than both by far

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            some of my friends that I constantly had to cut from our mythic prog in wow that went on to play ffxiv have cleared all of the ultimates
            i tried week 1 savage raiding and it was easy as frick, no harder than week 1 heroic

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You're talking to moronic weebs with 50iq
              Ignore them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've never, not once heard anyone complain of having trouble running FFXIV. What the frick? The game has a very low-spec barrier of entry.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        FF raids are more fun for me
        I think it's because WoW classes become so fricking janky when you're trying to minmax

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          it depends on the expansion. anything past moP the game is too simplified to be enjoyable. Except maybe Demon hunter in an unga bunga enjoyable kind of way.

          FF's base 2.5 GCD alone is enough reason to be objectively worse than WoW gameplay wise anyway.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >FF's base 2.5 GCD alone is enough reason to be objectively worse than WoW gameplay wise anyway
            that depends on the job you're playing, some jobs have a ton of off-gcd things to press, sometimes requiring you to weave 2 extra abilities inside of a GCD constantly in your rotation

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              off GCD presses are inherently not fun. WoW has that too. so?
              every single class hass off-gcd, and they still have a faster paced rotations and mechanics to deal with bosses. while faster generally doesn't mean better, FF14's gameplay is an absolute slog after playing WoW.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >off GCDs are inherently not fun
                That’s your opinion bro, I find them quite satisfying

                Reminder that XIV has faster gameplay than WoW. Try getting past level 10 before shitposting. Or actually playing the game

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >faster gameplay than WoW

                WoW's GCD is 1.5. Some classes like Rogue or UDK have 1.0.
                FF is 2.5 GCD.
                FF is fricking boring and pressing your big damage button every 3 minutes off the GCD doesn't count.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I’m gonna ignore the multiple OGCDs that must be pressed frequently for each class
                >they don’t count because I said so
                Why keep arguing when you just keep losing?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                See here

                This is how I know you don't endgame raid in FFXIV because 2.5gcd yes, but you have just as many OCDs to weave in between. Plus you can use materia to get that down to 2.3 in most cases Monk being the fastest class with a potential gcd of 1.9 but this is really fast as again you have a lot of ogcds to be weaving.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                FF14 also has jobs with lower than standard GCDs. And FF14 jobs tend to have way more oGCDs that have to be weaved in between GCDs. I don't think there are any Wow classes that actually need 30+ slots to contain all the action icons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                iirc mage classes in WoW average around six slots which is close to black mage, who still has a lot of random procs or timed procs, sharpcast to force procs, teleports and shields

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                outlaw apm is the equivalent of double weaving on a 2.1 GCD every single global
                no ffxiv job even comes close to comparing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >WoW
            >mindlessly spam 5 buttons and press whatever lights up
            >XIV
            >have an actual rotation for each job which stays consistent and has tons of buttons to press
            Try again

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >tons of buttons to press
              sorry FFXIVsister, clasess got GUTTED with recent expansions to appeal to a wider audience.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The lowest button job in XIV is still higher than the highest button class in WoW

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This is how I know you don't endgame raid in FFXIV because 2.5gcd yes, but you have just as many OCDs to weave in between. Plus you can use materia to get that down to 2.3 in most cases Monk being the fastest class with a potential gcd of 1.9 but this is really fast as again you have a lot of ogcds to be weaving.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >b-bro no it's 2.3 with haste rating and with gear!!!

              you guys are coping too hard.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >anything past moP the game is too simplified to be enjoyable
            raids literally get more complex and difficult with each expansion, it's why i quit the game

            >WoW
            >mindlessly spam 5 buttons and press whatever lights up
            >XIV
            >have an actual rotation for each job which stays consistent and has tons of buttons to press
            Try again

            >more buttons = better
            no. xiv has static and stale rotations, WoW classes use priority systems which is objectively more engaging.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >objectively more engaging
              You don’t know what objectively means, do you?

              >b-bro no it's 2.3 with haste rating and with gear!!!

              you guys are coping too hard.

              I accept your concession

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >WoW runs better 120 no problem in toasters. FF does not.
        If your PC can't run XIV then you should not be wasting your money on a monthly subscription. You have other money issues to worry about.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        WoW is all about finding addons to beat the game for you.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          lol are we pretending like high end raiders in FF dont use mods?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's a World of difference between AM in FFXIV and weak auras in WoW. If you don't know, then you don't raid.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >WoW if you want to PvP
      I'm not so sure.
      Honestly I think the only things currently holding back 14's pvp is the netcode and the poor reputation it garnered over the years.
      I tried a few rounds of the new mode crystalline conflict and it was great, especially since I could actually kill people instead of just wail on a healer like a target dummy until his friends came and killed me

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I got like 400 hours out of FFXIV's free trial. Got all jobs to 70 and did all the content possible. Got a subscription, and Shadowbringers was as good as everyone said. Also joined a super chill FC.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neither.
    come play PSO1 with /vr/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SoD and WOTLK classic are both good. especially if you never enjoyed WOTLK.

      14 is just boring after you raid in WoW. It's just the worst type of playerbase mingling in easy(and boring) content. The story is bad in both games. at least SoD and WOTLk the story doesn't matter.

      Runescape is too autistic to bother with. it's a blue pill you should not take if you want to make it in life.

      Guild Wars is dead and doesn't matter.

      ESO is just bad. It's a shame because It had good ideas.

      The best one right now, as anon stated, [...]
      playing this or better smaller scale games.

      How do I play PSO1? I had it on gamecube but never played online mode, how does it even exist still?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        go to /vr/ they have general for PSO1. you can download it for PC and play on the best/main/only private server for Blue Burst. Everyone should experience it. It's the true "mmo" co-op game to enjoy with small communities.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    both are fun, as long as you stick to wow classic, retail wow is slop. ffxiv is very fun too. and more soulful.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    XIV is for bright eyed and bushy tailed adventures.

    WoW is only for people that are already playing WoW. I promise you the new player experience is aids and they have ZERO interest in bringing in new players.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WoW classic if you hate yourself
    FFXIV if you hate yourself

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    but why are ffxiv fans annoying?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      schizos and troons tend to gravitate towards anime.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >why are XIV fans annoying?
      >proceeds to falseflag as XIV players to get le bald streamer to stop playing it while getting caught red handed
      >proceed to claim it’s XIV players that are known for falseflagging
      Why the projection?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're annoying on the internet because FFXIV is a last-generation console game, meaning uneducated people from middle-income shitholes have access to it. In game, people tend to actually be quite pleasant if a bit patronising to newcomers.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SoD > WOTLK > 14 >>> Retail WoW

    Ideally don't bother with any of these. play SoD if you want the best WoW experience. Eventually you just log once every 3 days to raid once and that's it. and that's ok.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >XIV players actually argue using facts and logic
    >WoW players just shit fling and falseflag
    What caused this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're literal children, sad that their game got dethroned.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      same reason they keep deleting xiv threads
      they've been throwing a tantrum for well over a decade

      yesterday there was a chill thread talking about dawntrail and it only started autosage'ing when someone brought up wow and got shit on

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >XIV players actually argue using facts and logic

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >heh my greentext and reaction image will surely prove him wrong and not further enforce his point

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. All I ever see in any of these threads is Blizzdrones shitflinging and arguing in bad faith about XIV and when they are rightfully called morons they take it as a win. It’s pathetic

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          NGMI troony.

          I did.
          I tried to play because my friend who I love very much played the game and I wanted to play with him.
          Mind you, I play many games, many old games where you put high amounts of effort like fricking Quest 64 or Phantasy Star II.
          But this game was just too depressing and grindy. Especially when I got bored of Black Mage being just a WoW Warlock for toddlers and wanted to try the other jobs. I had no quests to play them. I only had the main story to get exp and the daily dungeon. The world barren, of course. I got to like lvl 60 and I decided to drop it. The most engaging fun I had was healing the little daily dungeon but I couldn't spam dungeons like WoW for leveling. I had to slog as Bmage through boring fedex quests or kill x of y. frick it.

          truth.

          Try harder at what? I described the game exactly how it is and you have no rebuttal for anything I said, so your only response was anger.
          [...]
          Again, haven't played WoW, so I can't comment on any of that, but FFXIV has those FATE events in the open-world. Except nobody ever does them because the reward for doing so is garbage amounts of EXP. Which means the most effective way of levelling after you finish the story, is to just spam braindead hallway dungeons until level 81 and then suffer through one of the ugliest and most empty zones in gaming, Bozja. Don't know why the moronic devs didn't make Fates give better EXP.

          the FATE events are cute at best and hardly consistent way to level.

          >anything past moP the game is too simplified to be enjoyable
          raids literally get more complex and difficult with each expansion, it's why i quit the game
          [...]
          >more buttons = better
          no. xiv has static and stale rotations, WoW classes use priority systems which is objectively more engaging.

          The hardest WoW mechanics have ever been are inconsistent. for instance, BFA is known to be an extremely simple design for bosses. However, it has 1 or 2 autism bosses like the final worm boss of Uldir. In general most WoW bosses are not complex, and the rotations have only become easier with time. Classic has also showcased that the old rotations where never hard either.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no I won’t argue
            >I’ll just call him a troon
            You realize you are just proving my point right?

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you’re “into MMOs”, games stopped being made for you over 10 years ago. People who plays modern “MMOs” are not people who are “into MMOs”

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >blizzcucks having yet another meltdown

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    anytime a FF troons tries to beguile Ganker users that their game is better than WoW, just mention the 2.5 GCD.

    It will make them tremble furiously, piss and shit their pants and give you 10 (You)s defending their slow-ass gameplay.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >if you want to annoy people, just argue in bad faith!
      Really showing us there, bucko

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's crazy that I've seen this exact post back in 2013 and every year since. Time flies. Not arguing with you, just an observation.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >wow has better gameplay

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Play FFXIV for some of the finest comedy known to vidya.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I only resub for fishing and Hildibrand updates.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You should get into FF14, and especially into Yugiri. Best wife.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    whole lot of autists who have lots to say about XIV not counting and have zero words on WoW classic or WoW

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think retail WoW is good. WoW died after Legion. DF killed it with the UI change for me.

      However at least WoW has SoD and classic to enjoy. Old WoW is more of an MMO than FFXIV will ever be. Neither FFXIV or Retail WoW are good and anons are better off playing PSO1, Gunbound with friends, RO with friends, and among this old mmo circle, I'd include classic WoW.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >at least WoW has SoD
        I do not think you have tried SoD and you are way too interested in shitting on FFXIV to consider how terrible this statement is

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          SoD is a fun way to engage in vanilla WoW. I'd dare say it has been more fun than hardcore, SoM and the initial launch. You get to 25 in 4 hours and you're done. You can quickly be done with the experience as well. Just don't level in the barrens.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You can quickly be done with the experience as well
            Why do people always say this like it's a good thing about MMOs? It's up there with "The game doesn't respect my time" when it comes to the stupidest shit people say about MMOs.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Because MMOs are a shit genre that nobody should be playing
              In the case you want to enjoy the social+gameplay combo aspect, the idea is to invest the least amount possible to get "there".
              Grinding boars or xp is not fun unless it's with friends and in practice most games a friend has to "catch up" to their buddies. FFXIV was never friendly with that. WoW wasn't either, but at least they changed that middle of its expansions.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Then why the frick are you playing MMOs? Fricking hell, every single genre I like gets taken over by morons who never liked the genre to begin with, then it either dies or becomes a lesser version of itself.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                there's nothing "MMO" about 14.
                quite the contrary, if you like the values of an MMO, 14 is the worst candidate.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I know that, but I'm not talking about XIV, but modern MMOs in general.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                A person who spent 1000 hours in a game and does not recommend it to you has more credibility than someone who likes the game and has a hidden interest in increasing their community numbers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, but what does that have do with what we were talking about?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          With SoD you get in quick into content
          With FFXIV you need 80 hours to get "in" into content.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Easy, FF14 for the cute girls

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      made for sucking wiener

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's very difficult who to chose, Gaia or Ryne, they both have their qualities.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ryne for anal
          gaia for oral after said anal

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they both suck in various ways, it depends on what appeals to you most i guess.

    xiv has the better story and leveling experience but every expansion they make the game stupider and more brain-dead. also the main choice of coomers, although moon guard rp in retail wow is a close second.

    wow has the most content but on retail most of it is broken and irrelevant by now. if you want to actually play through and experience that content, wow classic is a good choice but you're a bit late. hopefully they loop back to the start after mists since you've missed tbc and wotlk which are both really good.

    there's not enough content in sod to last more than a few weeks right now. classic era might be an option if you're interested in open world pvp and social experiences.

    idk neither is really all that good right now. the one i'm currently playing is wotlk classic, though.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I enjoy some of XIV's content

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're 15 years too late to enjoy anything about playing WoW. Go play Warframe for free if you're that bored

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Palworld is the future of MMOs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is it open multiplayer or invite only multiplayer?

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ffxiv never really moved up from a 7/10 in the 6 years i played it. most mid ff game and i dont understand why so many people think its the best ff game

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >mid
      Sorry but people who speak Ebonics are not entitled to share their opinions.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's just slang senpai. ong you fricking stupid.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's Ebonics that your generation co-opted. If you're anything other than African American and using those terms you are in fact a moron and a disgrace.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            what the bloody frick are you on about you stupid fricker

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Speak plain English if you're going to communicate in English.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How about you speak in morse code you homosexual since you're a fricking basement dweller.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You see, you're already improving your English written standard, I applaud your progress.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                is this what you get off to? derailing conversation because you're a homosexual b***h mother fricker that gets triggered over fricking slang? go off yourself for real in fact if you're such a tough guy, post your real life name and occupation right now pussy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not a single use of Ebonics, well done Anon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                frick yourself you have no rizz, L ratio.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Slang usage is rather routinely indicative of weak will and some tastelessness, you are not excused, and neither is the poster to whom you've replied to, as his opinion is rather dramatically stupid.
          There are few things that are "it's just X" that one doesn't have to pay the price for them, and few people who don't need to do that. Speech tendencies are not one of them.
          Carry on.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Blud is yappin
            I ain't reading allat

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Themepark MMORPGs are shallow. You are just going on different rides with random players that you don't care about. After the fifth time you are on autopilot and nothing matters anymore.
    Meanwhile I played one world of Haven&Hearth and I could probably write a book about all the stuff that has happened to me.
    At least join a guild. Don't be a lonely solo player and make some friends along the way because you will regret the time you have spent alone in a stupid themepark MMO.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FFXIV is not an MMO. There’s literally 0 long term progression systems (a core system for any MMO) so the expansions are just like seasons, you play through the MSQ then quit until a month before the next expansion release. You can grind any glamour relics you missed in a few weeks before the next expansion, it’s a fricking single player snooze outside of the month before and month after an expansion.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >A core system for any mmo
      According to who? There is no rule book and set guidelines for what an mmo is. It wasn't until Everquest that raids were even in mmos.

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yoshi-P is a hack
    The last true FF was 9 and 10 was the last decent game in the franchise.

    11 was kino. 14 is just trash. sorry kid.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing MMO about FFXIV.
    WoW at least has a modicum of that value. But it's also not the best example (Retail WoW)

    SoD/WOTLK are more of MMOs and I'd recommend WoW until end of MoP. after that it turns to shit.

    As anon said , you're better off playing S4 league or PSO or stuff that focuses more on multiplayer fun.

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neither, go find a ragnarok online server.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Warcraft Classic/SoD is currently the superior MMO. Final Fantasy is way, way too much grinding for almost no payoff, just like WoW retail.
    But really there are no good actual MMOs anymore. Devs who try to make them literally all make the exact same mistakes.

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FFXIV. It’s basically a Netflix series, so normies will love that shit. You just watch the cutscenes and walk to the next cutscene. And when you’re done, you can play other games because unlike WoW, FFXIV respects your time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >FFXIV respects your time
      This is simultaneously the funniest and most untrue thing I have seen here in a long, long time. Thank you.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i like how you conveniently left out the "unlike WoW" bit because you know it's true

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          WoW is better at it than Final Fantasy. I've had fun with both, but WoW classic/Discovery is fun at level 1 onwards, and Final Fantasy was a brain numbing slog for dozens of hours until I got to some semblance of fun. WoW classic and Discovery are just better overall, especially at progression curves and pacing. FF is a frickin mess despite all the legit improvements they've made. I'd rather play FF than retail WoW though, so there's that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >WoW is better at disrespecting your time than Final Fantasy

            agreed

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >A game that even it's biggest defenders admit only gets good after you grind past ~40 hours of content isn't the biggest offender at disrespecting the player's time
              Cope-levels off the charts. FF is incredibly new player unfriendly, even if you're an MMO veteran. WoW classic's progression is infinitely better and more rewarding.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >new player unfriendly
                Dude what? I just started a couple months ago and it's been very friendly.
                Shit even the players have been friendly, and willing to do old raids just for newbies like me.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The game does respect your time. Which is why it becomes boring at max level. Plus the netcode is horrible. In terms of being fun WoW > FFXIV.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No MMO respects your time. And FFXIV may have one of the most overrated stories out of any game I've ever seen discussed on Ganker. I have to assume it's just sunken cost fallacy after pouring hours into the game in order to get to the expansions. People need to feel the need to delude themselves into thinking that it's better than it is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >went from saying the story is bad to overrated when called out earlier

        lol
        lmao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That was my first reply itt you schizo

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            sure thing

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              there was no new ip champ

              take your meds

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there was no new ip champ

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yes there was you moron, that was the 71st one. Ganker X's new IP display isn't always reliable.

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    seriously though
    why does FFXIV upset Ganker so much
    every single time I see it mentioned it's accompanied by seething

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No idea. Likely the same reason why some people on WoW gameplay threads are outright bizarre, they're questionable people.
      Perhaps there is some intersection, ff too has similar porn issues WoW has.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm an FFXIV troon that gets triggered whenever someone criticizes my game, so I'll just say everyone who criticizes it is MAD
      zzz

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No dude, you're barry, stop calling us out
        We are not the triggered ones, you are

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No dude, you're barry, stop calling us out
        We are not the triggered ones, you are

        i'm not mad. i'm so not mad i'm going to respond to that post and say i'm not mad

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't care what games you play on your free time.
      Just don't lie and pretend FFXIV is a good MMO or has the qualities people seek in an MMO. It's a lobby. It's unfriendly to level up offspec jobs. It forces the story on you. And to top it off, the gameplay is , as coloquially stated by their demographic, mid.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't care
        >FFXIV BAD

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          haters can't help themselves

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It's unfriendly to level up offspec jobs
        How so?
        There's loads of evergreen content to get you from 1 to max, and there's multiple ways to acquire gear on your way up. Plus since it's all on one character you don't have to worry about redoing other grinds like reps, mounts, or achievements.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It makes zero sense to me considering the website is owned by a guy who is friends with the FFXIV director.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Site ownership has little relation to its demographic except when it does, which doesn't really apply here.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      blizzcucks with battered wife syndrome as they know blizzard are treating them like shit but keep going back and take out their anger on ffxiv

      It makes zero sense to me considering the website is owned by a guy who is friends with the FFXIV director.

      mods upset their boss openly laughs at wowcraft

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      One word. Jealousy.
      Success breeds jealousy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's the opposite.
      WoW TRIGGERS 14 players
      it's existence every single time makes them seethe and they HAVE to shit and piss their pants and call it bad.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        even just lurking this thread I can tell this isn't true at all

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        my company is kept afloat by final fantasy 14
        your company is kept afloat by candy crush
        we are not the same

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          SE is not kept afloat by XIV, do you not read any of their financial reports?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            AAA dev pulls in equal or greater amounts of money as a whole department but pound-for-pound FFXIV is the most profitable shit they've got going right now.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >FFXIV is the most profitable shit they've got going right now

              No it isn't you moron. It has always been, and still is their mobile games.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                he's saying compared to the amount of money they spend making it, but this is the reading comprehension i'd expect from a Blizz drone

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The irony. Mobile games are exponentially cheaper than a fricking MMO, which is why they've made so many.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You also have to make way more of them for them to make more money than your MMO. If I'm remembering their divisions right Squeenix's mobile division makes several million more yen than their MMO division (read: FFXIV and some scraps from Dragon Quest and FFXI) but they have a LOOOOOT of mobile games running and effectively one MMO.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >but they have a LOOOOOT of mobile games running
                Yes, because they are so cheap to make.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You didn't read, I said "pound for pound." There are many more mobile games and AAA games than there are MMOs in their portfolio but FFXIV is the singularly most profitable title they have.

                you're correct
                i didn't finish reading the sentence like a moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I forgive you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You didn't read, I said "pound for pound." There are many more mobile games and AAA games than there are MMOs in their portfolio but FFXIV is the singularly most profitable title they have.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              you're wrong

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          your company is kept afloat by mobile shit though

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          "your" company is moronic, blizzard doesnt need to be kept afloat because they make a lot of money, moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Surely square enix will go out business this year, says the obsessed moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            blizzard shed 100% of its value to microsoft because their games were this dead

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >yoship release new game
              >company lose money
              >blizzard release more shit
              >they make more money
              I guess when xiv is your best game it cant be helped losing almost 2 billion dollars

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                blizzard isn't even it's own company anymore because they lost so much in value you fricking clown. They are LITERALLY less worth then sqenix now. Square Enix won.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What is this moronic cope?
                You know Google exist?
                You Black folk are really deranged.

                Blizzard made 7.5billion in 2022, square made 1.15 billion in 2022

                Make sense, since square top game I'd XIV right, they can't really be as big as blizzard

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                blizzard is microshit
                sqenix it's own company
                keep streetshitting pajeet lmaooooo

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you're wrong

        my company is kept afloat by final fantasy 14
        your company is kept afloat by candy crush
        we are not the same

        you're wrong

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wowtrannies are just mentally ill and can't live with the fact that they waster their whole life on a dead game full of trannies

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yep, I know which MMO I’m sticking with. 30 million players and 100% recommended by critics. Also, our game isn’t made by a rapist.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, our game isn’t made by a rapist.
      Uninstalling rn

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i hate ffxivfans and by retrospect ffxiv because of how much of a victim complex they have
    >played ffxiv since 2.5

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      very organic post

      >A game that even it's biggest defenders admit only gets good after you grind past ~40 hours of content isn't the biggest offender at disrespecting the player's time
      Cope-levels off the charts. FF is incredibly new player unfriendly, even if you're an MMO veteran. WoW classic's progression is infinitely better and more rewarding.

      >FF is incredibly new player unfriendly

      stopped reading
      i just got out of the trial section of the game and this couldn't be more wrong

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        cute bunny

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        why'd you reply to me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        why'd you reply to me

        b***h why the frick did you reply to me???

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          misquote
          relax kid

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            frick you

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous
  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >FFXIV is an MMO that respects your time by having no long term goals and no reason to play it
    Thanks for respecting my time Yoshi-P, but what if I want to keep playing the same MMO and not that latest AAA goyslop? Is there anything for me to do in FFXIV?

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >"this is my first post" posts getting more prevalent over time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah it doesn't mean shit now either because you can just put your phone on airplane mode for 5 seconds for a new IP

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ffxiv is a much better new player experience than wow

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I never see Realm of the Mad God mentioned.

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neither of them
    Play LOTRO

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i did you bloody b***h fricking

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      BLOODY BASTARD b***h SIR

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i thought he had a tiny dick

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WoW classic season of discovery isn't bad. Puts you back in the old world and limiting you to 25 levels makes things interesting for a week or so. Next phase brings it up to 40 and we're hoping it'll be better than phase 1. I'm tired of raiding WOTLK ICC.

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WoW is stupidly sweaty and time consuming
    14 is a casual singleplayer erotic roleplay chatroom
    unironically play Eve Online if you want to jump online 1-2 nights a week to do some PVP or PVE with the boys

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    xiv is good if you're a big ff fan
    xi is a great mmo and xiv is a great theme park right full of classic ff attractions
    the post stormblood raids is the best content in the game hands down

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    honestly how do you design MMO content that isn't poopsock day 1? stuff that is fun doing it at a consistent amount of time but isn't as mindnumbing as doing savage raids where you're doing the same song and dance until the fricking moron (like actually because of course your static has a moron in the group) doesn't understand how to grab fricking tethers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Star Citizen will become fun in the next few years.

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    758
    >easy fight on the rails, impossible to wipe unlike FF4 zeromus
    >praying lasts for 5 seconds
    >fighting solo with 7 other random people queued up
    >jpop song having zero reference to prologue
    Endsinger P2 is not Prologue you dumb moron. Stop saying this garbage. Play the games you keep wanting to reference. Fricking XIVgays.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I did. FF4 is amazing. you got so mad you passively replied lmao

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I accept your defeat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I win.

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WoW hands down. It eases the player in, lets you level however you want, and gets you caught up quick.
    FF14 makes you buy, playthrough, or pay to skip weeks of bland story with very little gameplay throughout.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this bait isn't even good

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Explain how it is incorrect then.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I had fun immediately in SoD
      "it gets good after 70 hours bro" with FFXIV

  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >checking out SE forums ol people's opinion back in EW
    >the scions are done, we're going to explore the world without them. their story is completed you don't have to whine about them anymore.
    lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what is it with the mentally impaired and wanting the scions out of the story

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I just.
      I don't fricking get it.
      The sheer fricking amount of people that reacted to the 6.0 ending thinking the Scions had actually disbanded for real and that we were never going to see them again except for cameos, when you get told they're not actually disbanding within the same fricking cutscene, and when the last sentence spoken is "What are you gonna do with your break before we get back to work WoL?"

  84. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    PSOgays are finished

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      PSO: NG is trash and nobody likes it.
      PSO2 died after Episode 6.

      FF14 plays nothing like PSO or PSO2. It's just a slog/boring 2.5 GCD troonfest.

      You homosexuals are the most unbearable MMO players on this board. I don't care if WoW or FF or Ragnarok online are better. You are the most disgusting playerbase to deal with and you should frick off to your troon general on /vg/

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        holy shit hold back those tears

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        cry harder birch homie

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
  85. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >if you're new to MMO's
    Don't get into MMos.

  86. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neither, hop in some fotm launch with other newbs

  87. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >holy shit hold back those tears

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      oof you know you're fricked when you have to resort to wojakposting

  88. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this one is better

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Post PLAP NOW!!!

  89. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically FFXIV, it's baby's MMO. Even girls play it (in JP servers at least).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      girls wouldn't play a game that looks like this

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You'll be surprised. It was mainly girls (ackually cis women) that started modding shit like this back in SB and early days of ShB

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >(ackually cis women
          You're too far gone

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not my fault everyone on this board thinks every woman on the game is trans

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Black person, say normal.
              Only trannoids and their sympathizers use 'cis'.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, they play a game that looks like this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          it genuinely don't get how women can think these woman-made horrors look even remotely good

  90. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    in the alliance raid, no one knows I'm an idiot

  91. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  92. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    classic WoW is good
    retail WoW is shit
    FFXIV is pretty shit too in a different way
    preferably find a private server, blizz isnt worth money

  93. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Will it end the squabbling?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      hell no, they can't even end development

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I hope so. Yordles are a great race but it's more proable they frick it up than succeed. Then again if anybody can save mmos it's riot

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there was a massive lay off in riot recently
      it wouldn't surprise me if the mmo team got axed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they keep losing people in high-up positions, and they recently had a huge layoff, which was probably mainly from the MMO team
      chances are it will never see the light of day

  94. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >gw2 wvw

  95. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ffxiv is not mmo
    is this the latest wowtroony cope? Didn't they add trusts recently because nobody is playing retail anymore???

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I seriously want to know who's character this is LMAO

  96. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just started playing both recently on their free to play versions.

    FFXIV
    >can play for free for a long ass time, through 2 expansions I think?
    >looks good for an mmo and has decent character customization
    >feels modern
    >world feels disjointed and lifeless

    WoW
    >can only play to level 20, which will be maybe 2 short play sessions
    >almost zero customization options
    >feels incredible dated with menus and UI not looking right
    >world feels more alive though and fun to walk through

    If you don't want to spend money play FFXIV. WoW may have a better world to explore, but neither of these games have any social aspect to them so they're not that fun and grinding sucks and paying money infinitely to play a game as shallow as these is a waste of your time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      3 expansions now. That includes eureka

  97. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you like FF shit, I guess XIV? XIV also has a very good free trial. Still, I found the gameplay much slower and shittier than WoW's and I don't really give two shits about the story. Half your playing time will be traversing from one zone, talking to a person, traversing to an entirely different zone to talk to another person, then heading back to the Waking Sands.

  98. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >DOES THIS GAME HAVE LE HECKING GOOD STORY?
    >THEN IT'S NOT MMO BECAUSE MMO STORIES DON'T MATTER AND YOU ONLY LOG IN TO RAID AND FARM KEYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOT MMO
    do wowbucks really

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      MMOs are about forming your own stories as you adventure through a massive world with your friends lil zoomzoom.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lol no they aren't, literally every MMO has had some kind of ongoing story that "you are a part of" because you're doing the questchain

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        damn palworld is mmo?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's closer to an MMO than any current MMO

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        guild wars 1 is mmo afterall I TOLD YOU

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>DOES THIS GAME HAVE LE HECKING GOOD STORY?

      Why are you this dishonest?
      Only moronic weebs, Black folk and mmo trannies think xiv has a good stroy lmao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >getting filtered by the best plot in recent years
        must suck to be some subhuman IQ shitskin but not my problem (it's yours)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          filtered by the best plot in recent years
          Literally confirming that only moronic weebs like you can enjoy such slop
          Read a book Black person

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >t.filtered
            this is why ffxiv is great. Dipshits like this can't get into it. 10/10 game

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >t. moronic black Black person
              Only a black ape like you can enjoy this troony shit. have fun Black person

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >still crying
                dial8 somewhere else troony ayylmao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >why are you dishonest
        >buzzword buzzword buzzword

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          buzzword buzzword
          >morons that think xiv has good story cant understand context
          Here, trying again
          Only dumb people, like you, can enjoy something as horrible as the most average JRPG's story ever made

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Only moronic weebs, Black folk and mmo trannies think xiv has a good stroy lmao
        wowkeks wouldn't even recognize a good story, cause the last time blizz did something decent was in wc3

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          there isnt a single final fantasy game across the entire franchise as good as wc3

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            IV, V, VI, VII, X, XI, XIV not even hard
            Hell, the Arthas arc is a subversion of Cecil becoming a Paladin. 11 years before WC3

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            FF7 alone is more popular than wc3 ever was and more relevant too because blizzard pajeeted wc3. Wowtrannies really deserve nothing but shit

  99. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anything is better than XIV, avoid it at all costs

  100. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FF14 turns you into a troony. Wow steals your life. Choose neither.

  101. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Played wow for like 12 years, been playing xiv for 5. The only thing I miss from wow the my Warlock.
    XIV surpasses WoW in almost every regard. Music, Story, Encounters. But I'd go for more Relics if it had WoW's transmog system. But that's about it.
    Also, XIV has the potential of pulling from nostalgia string from more sources than WoW. XIV has a shitton of older FFs to sustain it for another decade. Meanwhile WoW completely trashed the old lore and every attempt of doing something original has fallen flat.
    Plus, XIV has the potential of collaboration with other franchises. The Nier one was massive, I doubt we'd get another Alliance Raid that isn't FF themed. But we still have Granblue, Chrono Trigger and many SE JRPGs to collab with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      imagine if we got a WoW crossover and we got class tier armors in PS3-early PS4 graphics and WoW got the first custom armor models in ages with a dragoon or white mage set

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        blizz is too stuck up with compiting, too proud and that's the reason why they fail
        they barely collab with their own games, and it's just a pet or a mount
        and when they try to play the "muh immersion" card, they selectively forget about rainbow generators and similar shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >XIV surpasses WoW in almost every regard. Music, Story, Encounters
      >YO MY GAME IS DOGSHIT BUT AT LEAST THE MUSIC AND STORY IS GOOD
      Imagine playing a game for the gameplay, I guess weebs are too stupid to enjoy actual good games

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >YO MY GAME IS DOGSHIT
        I didn't say that. As a game, xiv is also better than wow. I miss the transmog system, that's all

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yea, WoW's transmog system is so much better. But this is SQEX, they aren't gonna bother improving it because 1st, money. 2nd, with how stuff is loaded in with their 1.0 spaghetti code, it would cause so many problems with the servers if they had to load so many more additional assets.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        wow has it's own problems like chests not having models and being just painted on the body. Not that it matters nowdays anyway since the game is dead as frick

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I know that people complain about hair in ffxiv clipping with most collars, but I swear sets like these in WoW where they bother adding 3d parts clip with EVERYTHING and the main reason most people probably don't even notice it because all hats make you fricking bald

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah actually heritage armor clipping was my last straw in bfa that made me quit wow back then

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        To think that wow had the same problem during cata and void storage
        Still, I can live with the current system for now. But I'm almost at the limit

  102. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's 2024 and wowbucks are still broken. Amazing

  103. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If only it was simple to just make a ff account and start playing, i'd actually play

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it is simple to make an ffxiv account. ffxi is the one that's a pain in the ass

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it's as shrimple as that actually

  104. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You know what MMOs could use?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We have dicky at home.

  105. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >peak xiv content
    >cant even beat one tier of shadowlands content or 2 weeks of classic content
    Only morons are playing XIV for the gameplay

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >unique characters
      yeah, those are alts. wowlogs can't segregate by account

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        don't forget the bots

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        most of wow's playerbase don't raid and those that do i would bet my life like only 20% raid on more than one character.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >most of wow's playerbase don't raid
          LMOA
          should let Ion know then, cause they only care about the zoomie esports cancer that is raiding and m+

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it's that way for ff14 too. both playerbases. it's a weird phenomena. i don't know if it's because they're decrepit boomers from classic who just never got good and/or zoomies who anxiety sperg at the prospect of group content but both games a surprisingly large % of the playerbase don't raid and a surpriisng number won't even do group content.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1.33 million unique characters that can be all classes vs. 1.53 million unique characters that are only one class

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >1.33 million unique characters that can be all classes
        in a game where parsing can get you banned

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          in a game where parsing can get you banned if you try harassing people about their DPS, yes
          there's a plethora of ways you can call a party member on being a dumbass without admitting to parsing
          this even includes saying "your damage was really low going by the battle log"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, but using ACT is a direct violation to the ToS. Something many player don't even want frick with

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              that's the thing is the devs don't actually care that you're using those kinds of things at all, just as long as you're not being a shithead about using them
              to wit: don't admit to using them, whether through recording yourself using them, taking a screenshot with overlays present, and definitely don't admit to using them in in-game chat

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >ermmmmm you damage was really low if we go by the battle log
            Why do people like you exist lol, you aren't bullied enough

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              we're discussing in-game approaches to not admitting to parsing you monkey

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >were discussing bullshit that anyone who isn't a newbie has already figured out
                Lol, lmoa

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No way, one whole expansion has less players than 12 years old content?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        how many WoW alts do you have, anon
        divide 1.53 million by that number and round up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      XIV look super dead.
      Make sense its not a fun game to play.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All the content of one expansion can't really beat re-re-re-release naxxa?
      I kneel wrathbtos.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        wow players have alts, xiv players are openly disincentivized from having alts

        you do the math anon-kun

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >xiv players dont have alts
          Cool but you guys told me it was so hard to raid in retail, that's why shit is dead but now you wanna tell me every single retail player has 10 alts raid-ready?
          And it's the first week of naxxa vs 12 months of endwalker.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >p2w game that can buy raidready boosts
            yeah your cope is delicious

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >he says when the only way to get raid ready in xiv is to shell out gil every single tier

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what? Thats not true at all. You can are raid ready pretty much the moment you unlock the content. What kind of cope is that? FFXIV isn't gearcheck simulator like wow you coping homosexual. Enjoy your p2w hellhole troony

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                holy esl
                ever heard of savage difficulty?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >p2w game that can buy raidready boosts
              but enough about xiv

              what? Thats not true at all. You can are raid ready pretty much the moment you unlock the content. What kind of cope is that? FFXIV isn't gearcheck simulator like wow you coping homosexual. Enjoy your p2w hellhole troony

              >eslBlack person getting triggered
              LMAO

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Black person literally getting baited by blizzard
              Oh yeah, greens from questing
              Why are you guys this moronic?

  106. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I played wow lately and it's fun, but FFXIV has cooler hangout zones. The golden saucer is awesome. Half the time I just enjoy chill zones.

  107. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ffxiv shits all over wow
    t. former wowbuck until 2020

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SNIFF

  108. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Turtle WoW and Runescape

    XIV is a single player console game pretending to be an MMO.

    SOD lacks content and is full of bots/dad gamers. Wrath is GDKP central.

    Retail is fine for PVP but you have to compete with people who have been playing 10+ years and have set up their add ons to do half the work for them.

  109. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >literally defending the honor of multibillion dollar companies back and forth
    this is advanced mental illness

    anyway, go play turtle wow OP

  110. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on your preferences.

    WoW Classic is all about your journey. While the quests people do are all the same it still is a unique experience in itself to play with others. But once you are done it's either time to quit or start over with a new character. There is nothing desirable once you cleared all the content and retail WoW is dogshit.

    XIV meanwhile is a visual novel first and MMO second. The long-ass story is what connects players and once you are done with everything it's your choice to either raid, become some kind of housing autist, fish, or just hang out in the gold saucer all day. XIV can easily be either the most social MMO of them all or the most lonely one depending on who you are and what you do.

  111. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >wowtrannies still mindborken
    unreal it's been years and they are still dialating

  112. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this thread reeks of third world and feces
    I see a lot of brown

  113. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    xivtrannies be seething

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wowcels be seething over xivchads

  114. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >wowtrannies getting btfo all thread
    >end up babbling nothing but nonsense due to lack of arguments
    ffxiv won and there is nothing you trannies can do about it

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