I'm convinced people only pretend to love this game to be different. As an action platformer it's mediocre, with a ton of better examples of the genre on the NES.
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>action platformer
It's action RPG. If you can't even get the genre of the game you're complaining about right, your opinion is shit.
Explain to me what parts of Zelda II can be considered RPG.
Do you consider Wonder Boy III The Dragon's Trap to be an RPG?
Because you're playing the role of Link, genius.
>Explain to me
You don't have any reading comprehension so that seems pointless.
You literally gain experience points and level up, are you serious?
An element that is common in RPGs, but does not define the genre.
Lots of non-RPG games feature levelling up and stat improvements.
Zelda II doesn't go much further than that, you don't get to change your offensive or defensive equipment to improve your stats, or have any kind of shopping system.
League of Legends is an RPG. You heard it here folks
most people here probably do tbtbh yeah but it's still pretty good imo, added a lot of improvements to the series too like swordplay, towns, magic, etc
yeah it's an mmorpg
>yeah it's an mmorpg
I don't think a maximum of 10 players per server qualifies as "massive"
i never played it :v
moderate multiplayer online rpg then
it's got its own genre called MOBA
Where do you draw the line? Does an mmo need to be crashing there's that many players for it to be considered a true mmo?
>Where do you draw the line?
Somewhere between 10 and a higher number. What's your point? Even if it had 1000 players per server, League of Legends wouldn't be an MMORPG in any traditional sense because it's a MOBA, but that's beside the point.
I never really knew what you called games like PSO. That's the type of game that's kind of a MORPG rather than a MMORPG.
I guess it's whatever Diablo is. Or Monster Hunter.
Pso is an mmo. Do not reply back because you are wrong.
I know absolutely nothing about PSO so I will take your word for it.
Well, pso has lobbies with loads of people in them. The actual gameplay is limited to 4 players max.
>5v5
>mmo
By that definition practically every single online FPS is an MMOFPS
It 100% is. A 5v5 RPG. Why wouldn't it be an RPG? "MOBA" was just a bullshit term to try and pretend they weren't copying Dota.
You gain XP and levels, which is the primary way your character increases in power.
Zelda II is an action-RPG, the only such in the Zelda series
>Explain to me what parts of Zelda II can be considered RPG.
Whatever parts those are can't be worse than thinking a jump button means it's a platformer.
It's an action adventure, just like the first game. There is no roleplay. No, selecting which stat to upgrade isn't roleplay.
Example: "this month I'll pay my car bill before I pay my rent"
You did not roleplay anything, it's still your same miserable life.
So what is Final Fantasy then
You know what it is.
This argument happens in every thread about RPGs. It's unfortunate that the terms that came to be commonly accepted are so vague and misleading. The term role-playing doesn't really apply to all games in the genre, since in many the player doesn't play a role.
What they do share in common are character statistics that determine chances/degree of success. But the label "statistics game" sounds like some sort of Excel adventure. They aren't concerned enough with broad simulation to be lumped in with other sims. Calling them "character" games implies that non-RPGs lack characters. Not all RPGs have parties, and adventure games are already a sort of genre/structure. I'm not sure what simple and descriptive term ("X") can be used here. Advancement? Development? These are too broad to describe the core mechanic of character levels/skills/abilities increasing.
Anyway, the main division between stereotypical J/WRPGs is that the former emphasize premade characters. Obviously, some games from each region play more like the games from the other.
FF1 = Party X, non-personality, turns, linear story
Pokemon series = Party X, non-personality, recruitment, turns, linear story
Fire Emblem series = Tactical X, recruitment, missions, turns, branched story
Baldur's Gate = Party X, character creation, recruitment, exploration, RTWP, linear story
Icewind Dale = Party X, character creation, non-personality, RTWP, linear story
Diablo 2 = Solo/Party X, character creation, non-personality, action, linear story
Dark Souls = Solo X, character creation, non-personality, action, exploration, branched story
You will never have an impact or influence media terms. Cry moar.
>with a ton of better examples of the genre on the NES.
Name them, if you are so great.
Not him, but Faxanadu and Adventure Island 4 sound like better options.
I liked it because of the XP system and the spells. course getting stuck every now and then and had to discuss this with friends just added to the charm.
I'm convinced that OP is a homo
You make a compelling argument, it would seem OP gags on wieners every day.
Zeliard is the greatest ye olde action RPG platformer I've played (Which I tried for the first time more than 25 years after it's release). Slick controls, cool graphics (those monster snail kills are so gory), different graphics options, high techology like the hero sliding on ice floor and not sliding if he finds and equips artifact boots. Also, pretty rad story about the evil god emperor of evil from outer space breaking the seal but the great world spirit lady protects her people and sends her champion to make the homosexual regret he ever tried breaking out of his imprisonment.
Battle for Olypmus and Faxanadu are shit and Zelda II will always be the king. You don't have to be upset you got filtered by the best ARPG of the era, that you feel obligated to float off into a sad cope. Simply mature.
I like Faxanadu 🙁
Faxanadu is great, frick your gay opinion
>Frick you b***h my games the king I'm like actually cumming on your mom, get over it, be more mature about it Black person b***h zeldas is GOD
>Simply mature
You have 0 awareness, sweaty. And for the record, faxanadu is a good game, you've probably never even played it.
Faxanadu is shit, and Battle For Olympus would be better if it wasn't so easy to get lost, so, yeah, despite being easy (except for the fairy softlock), Zelda II is the best of the bunch.
Segachads do win again, though.
Gay opinion.
Never played Faxandu so I can't talk about the gameplay but holy shit couldn't they choose other colors than puke and shit?
Very first thing I noticed too. Dropped.
Dark Fantasy game
What a cool game.
>As an action platformer it's mediocre
Yes but for a nintendo game that makes it amazing.
I will always love this game, in my top 3 all time. I had it when I was a poor kid in the early 90s, and I'd never experienced anything like it before. Knights, magic, dragon, danger, sleeping princess and temples. It was beautiful, and the music still takes me there from time to time.
Filtered
>make an iconic triple AAA instant classic hit game
>follow up with a sequel that does in a completely different direction
Total and utter boss move that would be absolutely inconceivable today. Try this with any of the current stale "A-list" IPs and devs would be shouted down instantly by company suits.
For me it's a game I never actually owned but rented a few times and because I never went back to revisit it there was this weird nostalgia for it that I didn't have for the other Zelda games which I'd played and replayed. So when I finally sat down to play it through for the first time last year I was pleasantly surprised and it felt like a real adventure full of secrets and shit. It's certainly not a perfect game but I enjoyed my time with it.
If you want more zelda1 you sad. If you want a cool new game you happy 🙂
But HOW are the candles always burning in the supposedly ruined mansion where only zombies live? And WHAT is with that Sonic barrel am I right
I feel like they put a deliberate coloring error in that blunder scene.
They've used that trio of nerd characters in an early episode that season, and the guy on the left was a red head with yellow skin, here he's depicted with black hair and paler skin like the Asian character sat behind him.
>with a ton of better examples of the genre on the NES
List them.
>people pretend to like this game because there are similar games that I like more than it
Absolute zero IQ thought process.
I did really like it, and I went in expecting it to be bad because of its poor reputation amongst the general population. In fact, I went into it after playing a few games that I didn't enjoy much at all, and was wondering if I even liked video games anymore. It reminded me that, yes, I do and always will.
>better examples of the genre on the NES
Very possible, but since this is one of the few that I have played, this wasn't a problem. Maybe I'll like it less once I've tried a few others.
Zelda 1 is unironically harder, you simply got filtered (many such cases)
It's a fun game if you ignore all the "black sheep! It's le hard!" youtube videos and just play it for fun and appreciate the fun combat, interesting leveling system, and rewarding challenge. Accept the fact that you WILL take damage, you WILL have to judge "fight or flight" for certain enemies even late game when you're leveled, and you WILL die and that it's simply a part of the game
Honestly, and to be fair, now that the dust has settled, shouldn't we all stop pretending and accept that Zelda II is either the best or the worst game in existence, and that the determination of which extreme it's at cannot be made even in theory, and that regardless of its unknowable quality level it is certainly the most important game, out of all games, to talk about and think about at great length? By rights, shouldn't there be an order of monks who dedicate their lives to wandering the world performing holy sermons and debates about Zelda II and whether or not it's good, and - if we all look deep within ourselves and allow ourselves to be truly honest for once - can't we all see that every person alive ought to be a member of that order?
This, but only after the monastic order of OOT is established first. AOL is a tertiary concern in the Zelda canon at best, after the extended and ongoing scripture work related to whether MM is, as many have said, better than OOT.
AoL was a massive influence on future games, and OoT in particular. That can't be ignored. It also undeniably has the best magic system in any of the games.
>It also undeniably has the best magic system in any of the games
it does, which is pretty sad given how horrible its magic system is.
>You're only allowed to enjoy the absolute best and no other.
>sonicmania
>good
All Mega Drive Sonics CD are better than that trash.
Zelda was terrible but I was a home computer gamer. So of course it's going to be shit compared to real computer games.
>Wow fast food sucks, but I've always been a homemade meal kind of guy so I wouldn't know. xD
Thanks for your irrelevant input, Black person.
So then you're literally the same bait-posting moron that's always here posting bait about this game.
You truly are incredibly stupid if you think people only like this game ironically. This isn't my opinion. This is objective fact. It's one of the best-selling games on the system. It outsold every Castlevania and Megaman combined. It's beaten only Mario games, its predecessor, and Tetris. To even suggest that people don't enjoy this game outs you as a dimwitted, mouthbreathing zoomer who follows ecelebs like "Angry Video Game Cumeater" who programmed you to think a certain way because you're a malleable, impressionable moron who believes everything he's told by a talking face on youtube, probably because he had poor parenting and no competent adults to look up to and set him straight.
It's abominable that friendless misfits like you are even allowed on the internet to spread nonsensical madeup fairyland opinions.
Zelda 2 has a crash landing start of the difficulty curve. You need to learn the range and timing of your short little sword or lose every encounter. You need to learn the hard way about managing XP so you don't lose it all.
Than it's a perfectly reasonable game with the occasional puzzle, maze, or tough encounter that halts your progress. But nothing you can't get through with effort, a bit of trial and error, or talking to NPCs. Than you get to death mountain and the difficulty curve goes back to how it started. Than you get to great palace and it's the hardest zelda content in the genre's history, requiring you to get your graph paper and map out the dungeon and trial and error your way past long dead ends and brutal mazes while having mastery over the combat system.
Easily one of the top 20 NES games. Established a lot that would define the series while also doing a lot that would never be repeated. Great game. Too bad OP literally cannot stop sucking penis. Doctors say he has aids.
The Great Palace is literally just about making the right left-right choice at the very start. It only feels like a graph paper nightmare because the incorrect way continues on for an eternity, making the palace look a lot more mazey than it actually is.
Literally just "go left, then right and right again".
Yeah and you don't fricking know that until you have solved it. You have to either memorize or draw out every room and their pathing until you have found the way. Than it's easy because you have solved the maze.
anon what the frick
i traded pokemon cards i pulled rares with my lunch money
i traded for the gold cart & played the frick out of my nes as a 6th grader
it was the first system i "got on my own"
i had dragon warrior, final fantasy, zelda 1 & 2
i played the living frick out of the game
still never beat it, as we didnt have internet and i couldnt figure out where to go
for the OST alone imo its worth playingreplaying
Zelda II is a pretty cool guy, eh stabs the shadows and doesn't afraid of anything.
It's a waste of time to engage in any kind of discussion about Zelda 2, it's a bad game that butchers what made Zelda 1 good to focus on doing the "action RPG" thing poorly. No further elaboration is needed or even deserved, it was considered the worst in the series for good reason and its better left forgotten.
RPG is just a shit name for a genre all around, it only sorta made sense for Wizardry/Ultima kind of games but the moment japs started doing their own shit it lost all its meaning
Precisely. I get that it got the name because it started with japs copying those games but it doesn't make sense anymore when it's just some adventure with predefined characters and story where you gain points that make you stronger. Jarpigs are almost like VNs with a world map and simple turn based combat.
Jarpigs kind of make sense in the sense that youre kind of playing as an overseer to someone elses dnd campaign but i guess thats a bit of a stretch, i think youre right newer ones especially basically just mean a game with a frickton of dialog or cutscenes. The fact that nobody questions modern action games like NieR and FF15/16 being "jrpgs" is laughable to me.
The people who genuinely love the game seem to admit that it's very flawed and they like it mostly for nostalgia.
It does have some very unique aspects that could have been nice to see in other Zelda games, but alas Nintendo seems to pretend the game never came out.