I'm finding it really hard to get into SNES JRPGs. I'm fine with platformers and other genres from the era but I'm having the hardest time with JRPGs
I'm finding it really hard to get into SNES JRPGs.
I'm finding it really hard to get into SNES JRPGs. I'm fine with platformers and other genres from the era but I'm having the hardest time with JRPGs
Can you elaborate? What is it that makes them hard for you to get into?
The gameplay is too boring and simplistic, combined with how often the games stops for cutscenes, the result is me being utterly bored. The stories aren't worth paying attention to and the gameplay is atrocious so there's nothing there for me to actually enjoy.
Yeah the storytelling really took till the PS1 to come into its own. Try FF7 if you haven't already
FF7 is boring as shit.
>I haven't had a dopamine hit the last 10 seconds this game is bad
So you haven't actually played any of them and are just parroting bait you got from /vr/ last week?
>list legitimate issues I have
>these are apparently not real because vr schizos are insane
No, you aren't being honest. You are an obvious lying troll.
You genuinely autistic? People won't always like what you do
No, I can tell when someone is lying. I don't even like most JRPGs but it's clear OP is a disingenuous troll.
Why are you trying to force yourself to play games you find boring? That's the real question.
This.
It's okay to not like something, even if other people like it.
Tried retro JRPG and it didn't work for you? Fine. Move on to something else.
You only get so much time on this earth, with infinite stretches of void on either side of that brief window. Don't waste it trying to convince yourself to like games that, deep down, you don't like.
I had the same difficulty with FF4. I kept being annoyed by the constant changes of companions and something "major" happening every 30 minutes of gameplay in the first half, but in the second half, the game gives you a little more freedom and the real feeling of adventure starts.
the opening of FF4 is the biggest dick tease ever where you think you're going to play as an actually evil character for once.
Overall I'd say its fairly paced though, you still need to do a decent amount of grinding in-between certain story sequences that break it up.
like for every two hours of story progression you'll be doing an hour or two of grinding.
it strikes the perfect balance of being longer than stuff like chrono trigger but not massively bloated and becoming boring like every single dragon quest game ever.
Same.
You need to play them when you are low energy and your brain is tired.
Or just stick the action RPGs. SD3 is one of my favorite games ever.
When I do that I just fall asleep
Maybe you shouldn't play games you don't like than. Or go on boards just to remind everyone you don't like them. Now frick off, you'll learn nothing and repeat this the next time you are bored and whiny.
then the genre isn't for you. go play something else. some people like the slower, more relaxed pace of rpgs, some people don't.
You play a JRPG for its story first. If the story doesn't interest you, it's not worth it.
Just read the synospis of the game before playing it.
sorry you're filtered but the gameplay is fun too, it's like playing chess
? I'm not filtered, I like JRPGs. I like it when there is a good gameplay too, I just said to OP that he can't appreciate a JRPG if he isn't interested in the story.
Advance Wars or Fire Emblem feel more like chess to me.
So you're a Tiktok-addicted zoomer that dreads having to pay attention. Maybe frick right off and go back to subway chasers or whatever the frick that garbage is.
>The gameplay is too boring and simplistic,
Most RPGs are like that at the beginning but gets more interesting when you get new team members or new spells. If you want more active gameplay then Chrono Trigger or Super Mario RPG are good choices.
>The stories aren't worth paying attention
If you don't want to play a RPG for the story then this genre ain't for you.
Most JRPG stories just aren't very good. They only seem good when you're an ignorant kid allergic to books so it's your first exposure to something with more depth than an episode of Spongebob or He Man.
What a pleb
>angsty teenagers kill god and also make weak awkward puns/quips at each other
Real enthralling stuff there
MCU-tier writing in most JRPGs. I'm sorry I didn't play it in junior high like you did
Now you went full moron
Projection. Now write me an essay on why FF7 is the most thought-provoking narrative ever put to screen
You're too old for them. JRPGs are designed for children. Everything is new and exciting when you're young. You're supposed to move on to more challenging genres as you mature.
play lufia 2. the battles arent very different than the problems you're describing, but if you play on an emulator and speed up the combat (after assigning actions each turn, like just mashing attack), it should be much better.
Have you tried Chrono Trigger?
What about GBA rpgs?
That's an NES RPG with a texture pack.
You have to study world religions, philosophy, and classical literature to get rpgs
A bandaid for how boring it is, at best
>Roleplaying games appeal to dumb people who like to think of themselves as intelligent
FTFY
It's really hard to express the extent to which JRPGs get everything (expect for the aesthetics of "going on an incredible adventure") wrong, due to them pandering so hard to the kind of person who wants to be given the illusion of doing something substantial and achieving that, but while putting in mostly nothing but time. And I know that exactly the kind of person who is like this is doing to be the most deluded into thinking that this isn't the case for them and that they're actually doing sophisticated things, because they aren't actually familiar with genuine sophistication.
Incorrect. Sorry you felt triggered and insecure and needed to squeeze out some reply.
RPGs appeal to intelligent people, this is a fact.
If YOU were intelligent, you would understand that this doesn't necessarily mean the games themselves are intelligent. But that distinction is lost on someone like you with a mid tier IQ.
No you don’t. RPGs are made for teenagers
SNES JRPG's are a meme. Check out Phantasy Star IV, Shining Force II, or just move forward to the PlayStation, which is really where the golden era of JRPG's began.
Began and ended
PS1 RPGs magnified all the worst excesses of SNES RPGs. Obtuse stories with constant, endless cutscenes, absurdly padded game length, slow as shit battles to show off graphics. I don't understand the love for them, never have. RPGs really got a breath of fresh air in the GBA/DS era when they had to be shorter and more compact by design.
Oh look, it's threetimes antisnes schizo.
Ps1 are just snes RPGs with loading times and longer unskippable attack animations.
Ok, don't play them then. Roleplaying games appeal to intelligent people, either you're having fun or you're not though.
that would be because most of them suck
Play Super Mario RPG though that shit is kino
you had to be there unfortunately
Attention span issue, try reading some books to increase your ability to concentrate and control the speed of your thinking
pleb
Then dont play them, smart ass, those games have their target, you are not that target, that game is not for you.
This.
Every week there's some homosexual boohoo I can't like xyz.
Then play something else moron.
Are you actually using that comic unironically? I mean, seriously? This shit has been a laughing stock on Ganker for 15 years
Also frick that era when everyone thinks he's a critic, since you seem to believe you're one. Everyone's a critic these days. Except they're not. They're just shitposting in an effort to try to make themselves believe their shitty opinions are "objective"
thats too bad. shame you MUST continue playing them, and I mean ALL of them.
I dunno what to tell you OP. I love them and enjoy most of them.
I'm not into FPS games. You know what? I don't play them.
Ask yourself a couple of questions.
1: why did I decided to try playing SNES RPGs?
2: are they giving me the experience I either expected or was looking for?
3: if the answer to #2 is no, is it worth my time to keep playing?
If you're not a literal moron this should give you a clear course of action.
I wanted to get into JRPGs because I wanted a more story heavy game, but I usually play intense action games
Okay, and is it giving you the experience you were looking for?
Just read books or watch movies.
Just play ARPGs instead.
That's because you need to start with NES RPGs.
Not sure why you made a thread about this, if you don't like something then don't play it. Maybe we should be questioning your intelligence if you don't know what to do about experiencing something you don't like?
>"i don't like thing"
>then play/watch/do something else
>"yeah but i still dont like thing"
imagine if jannies banned these threads. Ganker traffic would drop by like 90% though
i'm convinced some mods and jannies themselves purposefully make bait threads to drive more traffic or at the very least allow them to exist for the same purpose.
I'm probably just being a bit schizo though.
some jannies either make threads or have obvious biases and will ban/suspend you for disagreeing with them. its happened to me before for giving LEGITIMATE critique on something, and the reason given was "trolling outside of /b/", like god forbid i dont subscribe to the complete circle jerk and honestly disagree on something (and with actual points, not just "shit sucks" shitposting).
moronic plebians like OP should be banned on the spot for their stupidity.
If you're genuinely interested in engaging RPG gameplay, play some 80s RPGs, including jRPGs.
But I know you're not, you're just shitposting.
if Chrono Trigger doesn't do it for you, nothing will
maybe try action RPGs, like Seiken Densetsu 3 and Terranigma. if those also don't work, nothing will.
I have to agree with this. Chrono Trigger is pretty much the best 5th gen distillation of RPG mechanics and storytelling. If it doesn't click nothing else will.
They're not for everyone, for the SNES era I'd say their biggest draw is the presentation and music with the gameplay taking a backseat compared to older JRPGs like FF1 which had more decision making in terms of how you manage your party.
If Chrono Trigger doesn't do it for you then I don't think anything else will convince you.
Thank you, anon. You just said what is the biggest criticism of the SNES library--games amp up the audiovisual spectacles but gameplay is somehow less than it was in NES games.
It really is strange to me, I have no preference for either company and it's all the same because I pretty much just emulate everything now. I find when booting up something to play, it's almost always Genesis games. There are relatively very few SNES games I either like well enough to go back to or continue with after trying new.
Agreed. The SNES library just doesn't have real depth to it. Once you're past the top 10 popular games everyone knows, there's really nothing else worth bothering with.
I say that for Jrpgs this is entirely true, there are like 10 worth playing. There are plenty of good games in other genres though
Semi ironically for me, most of the SNES games I do like aren't the ones most people list as the top popular games. It's stuff like the Super Star Wars series, Metal Warriors, Panel de Pon etc.
I liken it to the Amiga where it was all demo effects galore and less interesting or experimental games than what the 8-bit micros had.
>trying to throw the Amiga out as bait so he can have yet another fit and derail yet another thread if anyone dares to try to defend it
limitations breed creativity, no?
JRPGs are at their most streamlined in a perfect Hollywood blockbuster way during the SNES era. Everything is at it's peak: art, story, characters, music, pacing.
Maybe what you're missing is challenge? I'd definitely recommend trying out some NES JRPGs or even some older PC ones. They're so much different feeling when you have to really build characters and fight for loot and level up and actually try. It's satisfying in a different way and I'd totally suggest playing any older JRPG.
Well zoomies have issues reading more the 200 characters so is kinda normal they will have issues with games that have ove 70 thousand lines of dialogue.
pretty much every notable RPG ever made for the SNES has a better version on a different console so I don't know why you're forcing yourself to experience them in a certain way.
>Chrono Trigger = DS
>Final Fantasy IV, V, VI = PSP / Advance / PC
>SMT I = PSX fan translation
the only ones I can think of are the mana games and mother series and they're both fine to play on the SNES.
>encounter
>take a single step
>encounter
>take two steps
>encounter
who are these people forcing you to play games you don't like anon ?
What? I wanted to get into them, specifically a few Final Fantasies because their worlds seemed interesting after playing SoP
And now you've found the gameplay doesn't appeal so why are you still whining about it? Go play something else.
Actually final fantasy is one of the better retro Jrpgs for this though
Yeah most of the critics ITT including OP have obviously never played these games or else are just disingenuously chumming the waters with low effort, standard-issue /vr/ bait.
>disingenuous
>started ff8
>do the cave which wasn't too annoying
>go outside
>encounter
>press forward once
>encounter
Ok, play breath of fire 2, mother 1, any of the retro smt games and come back to b***h about encounter rate in final fantasy
Wait I thought I was being dishonest and lying, now you're saying I was telling the truth but it's not bad?
Only one disingenuous frick here and it's you
Not the guy you were replying to. I have been saying it isn't bad this whole time
See
>ff8
>SNES JRPG
You mean FF6?
No I mean 8, I'm a different poster to OP.
I have no idea why Hiroshimoot removed the counter.
To enjoy older JRPGs, you must enjoy grinding.
Most of the fun comes from chilling out and mindlessly battling enemies over and over to get more money, xp, and rare drops.
put on a podcast, mute the game audio and grind away !
I typically don't like JRPGs but recently have really gotten into the Metal Max series. They're set in a post-apocalyptic world where Mad Max-style warlords and cybernetically-enhanced bandits have taken over. You have to build and customise your own tank to traverse the wasteland, in addition to being able to go on foot. Rather than magic, it's all guns and technology. The games are very nonlinear with dozens of nonessential sidequests. You can beeline straight to the final boss if you really want to, though you're encouraged to not do so. You have to find party members yourself rather than the story giving them to you meaning there's a variety of party compositions (you can even solo the game if you want). And there's also a wide variety of tanks you can use. You can load your entire party into some War Wagon covered in guns each party member can man, or you can put everyone on their own bike/dune buggy, or any variety of strategies.
I don't get why people are so shocked when they don't like a certain genre of games. I don't like fighting games. Flat out can't stand them, they are incredibly uninteresting to me. So I... don't play them. I recognize they're just not to my taste and that says nothing about the quality of the games themselves. The weird need to find an external cause for you disliking something -- if you (the egocentric) dislikes this, the only explanation is that it must be bad, as your taste is the ideal -- is very adolescent and grating
I think for someone like OP it's more like they heard how beloved games like FF4 and FF6 are and feels the need to share that love in order to fit in, only to find they don't enjoy that genre. They get frustrated as they try to force themselves to play through games they don't like, thinking at some point it will just "click." They're afraid of being a weirdo who says he doesn't like certain games everyone seems to unanimously agree are the best ever.
This phenomenon bothers me when I see it and you put it into words much better than I've ever been able to, thanks
>I recognize they're just not to my taste and that says nothing about the quality of the games themselves.
This is *precisely* where you are wrong, and you need to understand this. People who adamantly dislike JRPGs do so NOT because they dislike the *idea* of turn based games where you wander around a world, interact with characters and learn new abilities that you can use to make decisions with.
Rather, they dislike JRPGs because they are merely ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS at realizing the potential of this idea outside of their aesthetic presentation and ability to sate the drives of people who want to feel rewarded by being drip feed power increasing points over long periods of time.
It absolutely IS a matter of quality in this case, in that people are rightly expecting the genre to typically do things like provide interesting decision making during combat that demands creativity and understanding over time spent, allow creative, non-linear approaches to exploring and navigating the games' narratives, high levels of world interactivity etc. and then are naturally disappointed that the games are nothing like this and barely attempt to offer these kinds of things, which you would expect them to, and which other genres are much more competent at doing.
lol, you're fricking moronic. "why" YOU dislike it has no bearing. good job proving him right.
So everything is good as long as at least one person likes it?
Unironically yes.
You're super moronic.
Random encounters are intolerable nowadays.
I can only enjoy a jrpg maybe once of twice a year, with each playthrough usually stretched out over months as I wont play but a session or two a week. I have adhd and I really have to be in the mood for that type of gameplay, but the comfiness and chillness of 4th gen jarpigs is unmatched. atleast until I get to the endgame when they usually become more exciting. I can marathon one and finish it at that point.
>I'm fine with platformers
Normie
What did I just say, another critic and his "objective" thinking.... frick this thread
Is the vanilla version of FFVI (ie "FFIII") an acceptable way to play the SNES version game or should I be looking for a ROMhack/patch?
How many people have actually played T-edition for their first time through? Would the be feasible, or does it tacitly assume you know how certain shit works in order to not stuff shit up?
I don't know what T-edition is, but I just want to know if the bog-standard version of FF6 on snes is missing anything important from a translation or censorship perspective
If you never played the game you should ignore T-edition, it's just a romhack full of new stuff, Tomato is a homosexual anyway; The best version of Final Fantasy VI is the snes original patched with the Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition hack, it restores everything that was censored (altered sprites and dialogue) in the original USA release while keeping Woolsey's translation, which is way better than the one used in the gba version and later releases.
You should always play the vanilla version of any game on its original console the first time.
think about what youre saying for 1 second.
>Is the greatest SNES JRPG and top JRPG of all time a bad game that needs to be modded to be enjoyed?
You can play it vanilla, in fact most people complain is too easy.
>Is the vanilla version of FFVI (ie "FFIII") an acceptable way to play the SNES version game or should I be looking for a ROMhack/patch?
Yes. You don't even need the uncensoring bullshit it really doesn't matter.
Maybe fix the evasion bug since it makes some pieces of equipment useless and you can make nearly invincible builds. That's the only fix I'd recommend.
That's because JRPG's aren't real RPG's.
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Most just Suck. Random encounters are meaningless because you have unlimited potions. Linear narrative, no actual role-playing. Bosses fight alone and are immune to all the interesting abilities ( occasionally you can play a guessing game of which 1/20 they aren’t). Slapped on elemental system a 5-year-old could master, With Maybe a buff you cast at the start of the boss fights.
i always thought this boss was so cool, but at the same time its pretty funny how he bloviates about how hes more ancient than the cosmos...pure energy...and then the four teenagers whack at him for 2 minutes and he dies. welp.
Easy with the blatant samegayging, Auster
>This is *precisely* where you are wrong, and you need to understand this.
Mystery Dungeon 2/Shiren 1 is RPG-adjacent and has been a genuinely great experience so far.
You're probably not gonna believe this but maybe you're not a fricking weeb that subjects themselves to trash. Jrpgs are a fricking joke. No merit at all.