I'm glad this dropped early in the year so it didnt just win Game of the Year because of the honey moon period. Now that the dust has settled even people who like the game are starting to admit its not really GOTY material.
I'm glad this dropped early in the year so it didnt just win Game of the Year because of the honey moon period.
Nah, it's GotY by a mile. One of the greatest games ever made.
Fpbp
Totk is great and unique game. Easy GOTY for me.
It was really great year for gaming. For sure better than 2022
FF16, BG3, RE4, Pikmin 4, Diablo IV, Hi-Fi Rush and more...
>D4
.... it's been a great year, but this is not a contributor.
Yeah, d4 not close to other great games this year but it was fun
>asset flip is now unique
FPBP
OP seething like frick. TotK is the best adventure game ever made.
I don't know if I'm far enough to make a call on that, but it's easily GOTY by default because everything else so far has been hot garbage. I guess there's BG3, potentially. But 2023 has been a fricking awful year for video games, and anyone who says it's shaping up to be one of the best is either a shill or has had a lobotomy.
It's this. Best ending sequence in any game I've played.
As always
>Fibby Pibby
I hope you're fishing for (you)s and are not a genuine moron. Totk isn't even better than the game which came before it. Take this lego minecraft fortnite bullshit from Zelda. it is moronic and slows the gameplay down to a fricking crawl until you do the speed-building shit
FF16 and RE4 are better due to being fresher experiences. TotK is better than BotW, but they still can't top Ocarina.
XVI is literally a generic DMC clone and a bad one at that, RE4 is a literal fricking remake. TotK is the second of its kind and improves on its original concept with tons of new physics and powers, its not even a contest between those 3.
Elden Ring released in February and it still won
>Big budget AAA game
>No 'cinematic' bullshit
>No collect all 1000 lost marbles
>No 10 hour cut-scenes
>No shitty gimmicks
>No moron hand-holding
>No thinly veiled ideological preaching
>No battle-pass or Elden-gems
It sure is a mystery why the game did so well.
i honestly hope these games with no mtx keep winning goty and selling well so aaa publishers get their heads out of their asses.
I'm going to make this a new thread to shit on westoid devs
The fact that this post even had to be made convinces me that Ganker has so many fricking morons it is struggling to function.
>trust me I played the game and it is exactly the same as botw. It has a similar interface and I didn't use any of the new systems so combat felt exactly the same except harder because all my weapons kept breaking because I'm a dumb Black person
>nintendies support further degeneration of the gaming industry
No MTX, no bullshit, just fun. What exactly is bad about this? Is this some sort of "GAMES NEED TO GROW UP" game-journalist-from-2001-tier comment?
>No MTX, no bullshit, just fun. What exactly is bad about this? Is this some sort of "GAMES NEED TO GROW UP" game-journalist-from-2001-tier comment?
no its about rehashing the game and adding literal DLC tier mechanics and little to no actual stuff in-game and demanding a full price for it in the year of 2023 ( well Níntendo's big idol EA did pioneer the way for it after all )
>DLC tier mechanics
it seems like you have severe brainrot.
Stuff like Ragnacuck is a DLC.
both Ragnashit and TotK are slop that spit on its origins maybe you should use your brain for a second and not worship a corporation through a nostalgia for once.
dude just pirate the game the frick do you care how expensive it is
>>No collect all 1000 lost marbles
is this totk we are talking about? becaus ethe game is littered with collecting bullshit, assassins creed 1 type gameplay plastered over the whole map
That post is responding to Elden Ring, morons.
>No collect all 1000 lost marbles
wtf are you talking about, the game is full of fetch quest bullshit. They even have the "collect 9000 tree turd fragments" quest from the last game.
The keyword is all. You don't have to get all of the korok seeds to fully expand your inventory. And with how inventory slots work you never really need more than 3-5 of each and that's if you're a hoarder.
You forgot
>is a fromslop rehash
Which wipes every positive point off the board
Majority of this is a lie though, don't even know why you posted this with a straight face.
Elden Ring was an actual work of art, TotK is asset flip DLC with no effort.
Cannot be refuted to this day.
>Elden Ring
>not an asset flip
My sides have left or solar system.
It would have won any year except maybe this one, and if I had to bet on a game winning, I'd still give it to Elden Ring.
It LITERALLY got beaten by vampire Survivors
Who thinks what?
this game was crap and didn't address a single problem of the first one
it's one of the best games ever made. probably the most inventive AAA game since 20 years. nobody does it like Nintendo.
yeah it rules. they just shrugged off all criticism and made a game no one expected them to make. sure they could have done everything the fans asked for and we'd have gotten another twilight princess, instead they just made whatever the frick they wanted to make. nintendo = chad
I seriously couldn't imagine anyone playing Elden Ring right now and thinking it was GOTY. Playing it on release, with a million other people experiencing the game at the same time, knowing you're uncovering that world together and realizing how giant the game was was incredible, but playing it now after having been told how giant the game is just can't compare. it's also just not much more than "dark souls but big and with a jump" and the game is kind of a mess in a lot of ways.
>probably the most inventive AAA
>botw , meets besiege x nuts and bolts
sure budy
>botw , meets besiege x nuts and bolts
yes.
if they had fixed every complaint people had with the first game they wouldn't have made totk, which is a much better game than a hypothetical "botw but without the bad"
good games aren't good because they are not bad, they are good because they are good
if they had listened to fans they'd just make link to the past for the last thirty years
instead theyve just made botw for the past twelve years
totk plays nothing like botw, you'd know if you'd played them, they both emulate quite well for zero dollarydoos
>totk plays nothing like botw
holy cope
Played it until I realized the Desert Temple wasn't a real dungeon and the same button pressing shit that the Divine Beasts were and that the cutscenes in the trailers all happened offscreen like the BoTW memories.
Now accuse me of watching those parts on YouTube and frick off.
except totk IS BotW with all the bads plus a plethora of new problems, bland "dungeons" and a bunch of crappy powers you wouldn't use if the game didn't force you to (fuse, ultrahand, autobuild)
take away the crappy breakable weapons and the building gimmick and you have a better BotW
>nintendo = chad
go back
Reality is hard, get used to it.
Not him. have a nice day homosexual. A chad would never be as anti-consumer as nintendo.
moronic fanboy opinion: discarded
go destroy some cars for a PS5 you monkey
Let me guess, those "problems" were it not having things you wanted, which isn't how problems work.
it added exactly 1 quality of life feature, opening chests with full inventory now lets u discard an item in the inventory
That's false though. People complaining about climbing while raining and the lack of caves. TOTK added new ingredients that make it easier to climb in the rain and added caves in the overworld and added an entire cave system with the underground.
How the frick is TotK forgotten?
Who??
>honey moon period.
you are a massive autist.
it will never win goty because it's not that different from Botw
AC6 won't either because ER already won last year
it's going to be baldur's gate , one of the remakes , or starfield ( if it doesn't suck )
Remakes winning GOTY is a really fricking bad look for the industry, especially when its games that aren't even that different from the originals. It's gonna be BG3 or Starfield for sure, TotK is too BotW 1.5 to win.
>I never played the game
We know
sure , I didn't finish Botw , and i literally booted totk in yuzu to see if it works
however you can't convince see from the amount of shit i saw on yt they aren't just marginally different games
>I saw on youtube
Of course.
>streaming
...
>not a single botw/totk video was recommended to me on yt
I saw almost everything in this shitty hole
>all my info about the game comes from Ganker
lol get a life, dork
Elden Ring isn't that different than Dark souls 3 and it still won
it won because ds3 didn't win
Totk won't win because botw already won Goty which is my whole argument
they are not that different , it's the same game loop
AC6 won't win either for the same reason
>isn't forgotten
lol
it released on several platforms, with multiplayer and it's pretty much forgotten now
TotK is a single player game and there's still a lot of talk about it.
there still lore essays ,challenges and pvp videos still being pumped on yt
mods are also keeping ER alive
Totk is one playthrough forget later type of game
Haven't seen any, Haven't heard of it in a long time, maybe you know about it because you clearly have shit taste and love eating kusoge, but the rest of the world moved on quickly.
TOTK just came out and nobody gives a shit about it anymore. Every big AAA release from this year has fallen below the 1.5 year old Elden Ring in relevance.
>goty that owes its creation is botw is great
Another child of zelda dominating the industry.
That's because Elden Ring is actually difficult. So it takes longer for the player to beat the game, meaning they play longer. And the difficulty creates stress that is akin to trauma. Players thus become attached on a traumatic level, and trauma bond with other players, keeping the community alive. The challenge also ensures that second, third, and all subsequent playthroughs are stimulating.
This is why I say TotK should have a hard mode. I don't care if it's just enemy stat increases. Because that would actually make me play with intent. Rather than playing lackadaisically while I listen to yourtube videos.
It's GOTY.
Comparing Baldur Slop to it is a joke.
TOTK is the most polished game ever made. PERIOLD
I think BG3 might win goty this year and that's a good thing because it means gaming is healing because even casuals got tired of endless soulless overbudget AAA movies.
Totk feels like DLC for BOTW with garry's mode features while BG3 is like oldschool PC oriented RPG game with deep gameplay mechanics and much roleplay freedom, you can even kill anyone, we didn't have similiar games for a long time.
Starfield has no chances, i'm 100% sure it's going to be disappointment
BG3 should 100% win because its a legitimate underdog darling and its hype and success feels organic in a way huge games usually doesn't.
Like Zelda was always going to get 10/10's, just like Sony and Rockstar games always gets 10/10's, it's boring predictable shit.
Your troony game isn’t going to win GOTY.
>success feels organic
>BEAR SEX LMAO
>TRIGGERED CHUDS??
>deep gameplay mechanics
>5E
I like the game but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
It's gonna be real funny when it wins
>I'm glad this dropped early in the year so it didnt just win Game of the Year
Who fricking cares? Why are people so obsessed with a fricking award that has no influence and everyone forgets in a week.
Just be glad that you got a good game.
This game is shallow as a puddle. It's basically an expansion pack for BotW that makes everything worse than what it already was. All the flaws times 10.
I like it quite a bit better than botw. Fusing fixed most of my annoyances with durability. The dungeons and bosses are cooler.
I just wish the fricking music wasn't ambient slop. Gimme the gerudo theme or twilight princess desert theme blasting at me while I'm in the desert. Not whatever barely listenable BS they put in.
a new TOTK seething thread dropped, take your picks, it was made by who ? BG3 trannies? Sony Blacks? some twitter gays?
>BG3 homosexual
First of all BG3 had 500k at launch, 5 days later, not even 150k anymore at peak hours, second have a nice day europoor
>I can't think of a single counter argument to the analogy so let's attack the person
It's me moron, not him. I was over over here all along
>nintendies are corporate bootlickers,cannot handle any single criticism and support further degeneration of the gaming industry
imagine my shock
Reminder totk can’t win goty because the better game its based on already did. Totk will not win goty, its over, cope.
warts-and-all is a great description, it's what makes a great game. or do you only play ubisoft shit, where they grind everything away until you are left with complete sludge
ultrahand and fuse are great. and then you get ascend and rewind and you've got the best set of abilities in any adventure game ever made. building robots during battles, rewinding projectiles back onto enemies, fusing weapons while fighting, using ultrahand to use objects as makeshift shields, ascending onto higher ground. it's just chefs kiss, it never gets old
shut the frick up
>building robots during battles
great, stopping a battle to build something because the crippled damage values won't help against damage sponge enemies
truly outstanding game design
that's the great thing, you don't have to stop the battle to build a robot. i mean you do have to enter the menu to choose the components, but then you built while having to dodge enemy attacks. and i think that is fun
tiktok attention span
Entering a menu is pausing the battle.
>not wanting movie games is now tiktok
nuke this board already tendies have gone too far, just contain them for god sake.
less cutscenes than deus ex
sure thing consolecuck
Play the 1.0.0 release of TotK and all the problems are fixed.
>unbreaking weapons
>infinite zonaite parts
>infinite crafting materials
It actually plays like a fun Zelda game instead of forcing you to grind and farm.
>Play the 1.0.0 release of TotK and all the problems are fixed.
weapons
it really has unbreakable weapons?
By all means tell me which game is GOTY then.
FF16? It falls off a cliff after a couple hours.
BG3? Black person, if you actually like Divinity Homosexual Sin 3 you lack any sort of taste.
Zelda is still moggin, and I say that as a PC main.
>Zelda is still moggin
Ubisoft gameplay haven't won a single GOTY so far zoomie.
REmake4 is a way better game and its only real "flaw" is that a lot of what makes it good is due to the game its based on, but that's a moot point since we're comparing it with TotK.
tbh Remake or not, as a game itself it has no real competition this entire year, the actual effort and fun put into it is simply too great for any released and future released game this year by far, Nintendo dissapointed and got lazy.
TotK is good fun but BG3 is 100% going to get GotY and let's be real, no one should be surprised by that.
>posting a winky face on Ganker
You have to go back.
you would know alot about that huh? seems you got mindbroken by trannies as well, typical tendie zoomer.
>fans say TOTK is a masterpiece that fixed every problem with BOTW
>start playing it
>forced to do a cinematic walk-and-talk corridor simulator while a dumb b***h narrates every step of the way
>no way to skip it
About time you got here.
tendies love cinematic slop thats why they're trying so hard to shit on PSBlack folk because deep down they're one and the same.
You will never be a good critic, ACgay.
>I think the intro walk-and-talk scene should be skippable, because it's nothing but story exposition, and has nothing to do with teaching the player how to play
>even the tutorial itself should be skippable because Zelda never needed to force a tutorial on players
>Zelda 1 let players decide if they wanted to read the manual or not, and never forced it on them
>"FRUCK YOU troony YOU'RE A BAD CRITIC"
see
And yet you worship slopsoftware.
>troony
You said it, not me. Thanks for proving my point with those awful critiques.
>Zelda 1 let players decide if they wanted to read the manual or not, and never forced it on them
Zelda 1 allowed players to skip getting a weapon, walk into the world, and helplessly die
>Zelda 1 allowed players to skip getting a weapon, walk into the world, and helplessly die
And that's a good thing.
>
Zelda 1 allowed players to skip getting a weapon, walk into the world, and helplessly die
Good job proving you have never played a Zelda game before,, ACsnoy.
Shouldn't players be allowed the freedom to get lost and possibly die?
see
We are talking about a lie you told, ACsnoy.
Which is....?
>Zelda never needed to force a tutorial on players
You have never played a Zelda game.
>Zelda never needed to force a tutorial on players
And what about this was a lie? Zelda 1 proves my point.
>never
I accept your tranncession.
>he's still angry because I called him out for being a casual
I'd rather die a million times in a kaizo game than play cinematic snoyslop.
Nope, see
And do ALTTP and OOT have tutorials?
The answer is yes.
😉
I don't recall a mandatory hour long tutorial in LTTP. I do remember one in OOT, but since you call that cinematic movieshit that ruined the Zelda formula, I guess you agree that we need to get rid of it. 🙂
>LTTP
There is a tutorial though.
Didn't you say never? 😉
I accept your troonycession then.
Where?
see
>because Zelda never needed to force a tutorial on players
>And what about this was a lie? Zelda 1 proves my point.
Hrm, as a child I think I would have liked a clue. I had no idea that black square was a door, I just went to the right like Mario. Took me a good while to figure out I could do something about enemies. The beach on the right eventually forced me to go up, and I found my way back to the first room eventually
>as I child I needed to be spoonfed every single bit of information
>but those snoy games are bad for spoonfeeding people and making games linear
>but how dare you want to skip the tutorial and have some freedom?!
You guys can't be consistent for 5 seconds.
>You guys can't be consistent for 5 seconds.
see
Looks like you are projecting 😉
Zelda didn't need to force tutorials on the players. That started with OOT, which you said was cinematic movieshit, so you have to agree with me, or else you want OOT rehashes, which means you hate BOTW and TOTK.
Why should a player be forced to walk in a straight line and listen to exposition like a snoy movie?
So OOT is not Zelda?
I accept your concession then.
According to TOTK and BOTW fans, no it isn't.
I accept your concession.
Show me the tutorial in LTTP or Zelda 1.
Play the beginning.
And even then, OOT is enough to destroy your "argument".
I accept your concession.
>Zelda didn't need to force tutorials on the players. That started with OOT,
You mean A Link to the Past. Play the opening and try to do things wrong
You didn't address anything I said and just repeated "tutorial" like a moron. The intro sections of BotW and TotK aren't really tutorials in the sense that people typically rebuke them for, they make use of the core mechanics like everything else in the game. It's nothing like TP's tutorial or OoT's or WW's for example.
Have you even played Zelda games, ACgay?
>The intro sections of BotW and TotK aren't really tutorials in the sense that people typically rebuke them for, they make use of the core mechanics like everything else in the game.
How is "walking in a straight line and listening to exposition" a good use of the core mechanics of the game?
So you just meant that one part in TotK that lasts for all of 5 minutes? Get a grip, you goofy fricking moron.
I just wandered into this thread, you aren't talking to a single person
If you define the plateau from BotW or great sky island from TotK as a "tutorial section" in negative terms, you genuinely don't understand why people deride tutorials in games and can't grasp good criticism. You're really bad at this kind of thing and should maybe consider not posting anymore.
>cinematic walk
>cinematic
>Elden Ring
still mindbroken huh shazamtroony?
holy shit you're moronic kill youself you useless twat.
2 can play the game
Both of you are are couple of knucklehead. Because you both chose videos that include gameplay. When people make those "movie" videos, they often include fights, NPC dialogue, and bits of gameplay, in order to string all the events together. That all adds hours to the time.
If you search videos that don't do this, then TotK is only about 2 hours of cutscenes. And Elden Ring is about 1 hour.
TotK is the definition of "too little, too late."
It would have been a cool game if it came out 2 years after BotW and was 60 dollars, instead it came out 6 years later and was 70 dollars, simply not worth it.
Because I paid 70 burgerdollars for it and I don't think it was nowhere near worth that much. Problem?
I like the game and it's easily GOTY material, speak for yourself homosexual.
>artorias reskins
>dragon reskin
>weird tentacle thing reskin
>giant reskin
Exact same fricking enemies since Dark Souls, and all you do is either hit it until it dies or magic balls reskins.
>reskin reskin reskin reskin
play the game troony
it simply came out after a behemoth as was ER, not even Nintendo could compete even year later at that point.
>name references is the same as game mechanics
lol@this moron
Yeah. The game was okay, but it's just BOTW DLC.
Like, imagine you're Nintendo and you built the highest skyscraper ever from the ground-up in 2017 at 2000m high. You called that tower BOTW and it won the highest sky scraper award that year. Others have copied your design since then and built slightly taller skyscrapers. Then in 2023 you weld a 500m heigh cellphone tower to the top and you call that a 2500m skyscraper. Could you really say that that's a brand new sky scraper worthy of the new tallest sky scraper award in 2023?
i like botw more honestly
just not a big fan of totk's story and kiddie building shit
Zelda is kiddy series to begin with though.
>he didn't even play Hyrule Fantasy
lmao
>all this talk about trannies
Egg is showing cracks
>streamers are videogames' main audience
18.5 mil in 2 months.
After playing BOTW for like 150 hours I just can't be assed to do it again
>Zelda shills mindbroken by trannies
lol lmao even
>Play game for 200 hours.
>Do a lot of the side quests.
>Discover all light roots.
>Finally feel like it's time to beat the game.
>Go do just that.
>Turn off game.
>Feel zero urge to play it again.
It's like I woke up out of hypnotized state. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the experience. But I also never want to do it again. I hope you guys can understand that feeling. It's like there was no reason to play, except to chase the next minor objective. I was just going through the motions.
The story was nice, but I don't like how it retells the same parts half a dozen times. There' not enough meat on the bone to justify the size of the game. And I'm really not saying it's a bad game. Because I had some genuine moments of joy all throughout the game. But it's just not living up to its own potential.
I will 100% be goty and there is nothing you can do about it
can't wait for global tendie breakdown when it won't
It was literally never good. From the first gameplay trailer everybody knew it was garbage. I've seen dozens of diehard Nintendo fans drop it because of how awful it is.
this but shills won't admit it, their japanese honour depends on it.
Hmmm, where is the tutorial?
Look, I get you hate tutorials and all. But stop saying you "walk in a straight line". Both BotW and TotK are designed with a branching tutorial. Not only can you do the objectives out of order, but there are also multiple solutions for the objectives. So the tutorials are like a microcosm of a full Zelda game.
Anon, I am literally referring to this segment, where you WALK IN A STRAIGHT LINE, without any chance to break from it, or skip it.
see
How is walking in a straight line a "masterclass microcosm of expertly crafted game design"
see
Why are you ignoring your own argument now? 😉
Oh come on. That's such a nitpick. That's like 15 minutes of your time, within a 200 hour game.
If you really hate it so much, you can just run ahead, and get it done in 2 minutes.
Why is it unskippable, if it's such a miniscule part of the game? Why shove shit in my face if your game is such a masterpiece?
>why is the part where you get ultra hand unskippable?
Gee idk why is character creation/selection in bg3 unskippable? I think this game sucks now.
So you were referring to that minuscule part of the game that takes 5 minutes. The first few minutes of walking in a straight line without the sword in ALTTP must have driven you crazy then.
Why is a game about freedom so forceful and linear? Why should I have disgusting snoy movieshit shoved down my throat, when I just want to play a video game?
>b-but it's not that long
The game could be 500 duovigintillion hours long, and it wouldn't justify even a FRICKIGN ATTOSECOND of cutscenes. Kindly top defending cancerous game practices.
So what you want is just...Garry's mod? A pure sandbox with zero story and cutscene that also allows you to do whatever you want without much limitation?
Maybe something else than a videogame, then?
And what would be wrong with that? Story and cutscenes are movieshit that should've been left in the dark ages.
I'm honestly not even sure I liked it that much anymore and I did take my time to finish it out of principle of actually seeing the game, but 130 hours later and Ganondorf beaten and the experience just felt super fricking dry. Ganondorf has an excellent presentation, design and voice actor, yet he's the most BORING and bland he's ever been in a game that was the perfect environment to explore him and make him legitimately interesting. ESPECIALLY considering that his return was THE initial marketing reveal.
I felt the same for the rest of the game. It had tons of really interesting mechanics and I will always enjoy myself in a sandbox one way or another, but I wanted to evaluate this game as a ZELDA game and not a mere sandbox, which is what TOTK is to me. A huge sandbox with extremelly grindy sidequests and too much fricking content for the sake of padding.
I was never amongst the people who complained about BOTW feeling empty. Au contraire, to me, the emptiness was part of the overall design and aesthetic of the game and even with all the open space, there's always a fun detail to explore. Now they've put more villages, strongholds and caves everywhere to the point where it's just distracting.
TOTK is the game that confirmed to me that I am extremelly fatigued of open world games in general. This genre is waaay too profitable and gaming has way too much gamers who just want to escape through the emptiness of the pointlesa and neverending grind that modern gaming has become. I am happy for one thing that TOTK made me realize. In an age where most gamers are fricking depressed mindless drones who want to be spoonfed games that never end. TOTK made me realize that I like it when things end. Stories are better when they are streamlined and with a clear conclusion. Same with movies. Why is every fricking Holywood movie 2 hours minimum on average? Why do these people think that longer=better when most of the Holywood shit is all style over substance?
>extremely grindy sidequests
Play the game next time. There is zero grinding and the side quests are bursting with soul like the troupe formation quest.
>Not grindy
Yeah, ok. Let's agree to disagree on this one. I haven't been touched by any of the sidequests in this game.
If you're mad that I didn't enjoy the game outside of the main quest, that's your problem, not mine.
I'm not mad you just have shit tastes and completely bungled your playthrough. Idk where you even found grind at because it simply doesn't exist. There is no reason to ever do it.
Honestly, you do sound mad. I don't understand why my criticism got any reaction out of you at all because I never called the game bad, I just expressed the fact that I didn't enjoy it as much as I expected.
Test
What do you mean? Its gonna win. Don't tell you think a crpg will win.
, stop trying
Try to attack guards too, or avoid getting a weapon
true! now we have the real game of the year
troony gate 3
Fine I'll accept your little troll on one basis:
If you can name something that bg3 foes that doesn't appear in angry other game that massively pushes gaming forward and leaves all other devs in awe the way totk physics and creation system does then you can have the goty.
Eric thread, kee moving
Wow, it's crazy how I already have access to multiple paths, from the second i start playing. It's not literally a hallway spewing exposition at me every 5 seconds. And this was a game in 1994 or so? Man, you'd think TOTK and BOTW would learn a little from this.
>literal hallway
Doesn't exist in totk
see
In LTTP I get to explore a good portion of the world before even getting my sword. BOTW and TOTK force me down hallways and spew exposition. Why is this okay?
Then why did you not leave the first three screens? 😉
Why are you replying to me and bringing up lttp like a schizo?
I asked you a question. Explain why bg3 forces me into the character creator instead of letting me skip it.
I don't know why. I hate BG3, why do you think I would defend it?
>In LTTP I get to explore a good portion of the world before even getting my sword
You literally cannot, you lying moron.
Go past the guards 😉
Why are you not leaving the first screens after 12 minutes?
>Walk to the left screen
>Dead end
>Walk to the upper left screen
>Dead end
>Walk to the right screen
>Dead end
>Only viable path is up to the castle, where the game wants you to go for your tutorial.
If the game were 3D, then you wouldn't need to walk to the other screens to know you're blocked, you would be able to see the guards from the distance.
Meanwhile, in TOTK, you don't even have the option to walk left or right. You're forced down a hallway. Defend this.
see
I accept your concession that you have never played a zelda game before.
Why do you defend walk-and-talk cinematic movies?
see
You can actually walk a ways behind you, before Zelda calls you back to her side. So yeah, there is technically an option to do something else.
>30 minutes later
>still stuck in the first three screens
kek
>Playing BG3
>*Sip*
Yep its a wrpg game from 1999. So much sweaty shit to do. But yeah, it ain't winning goty. Thing is a grindy long slog.
>It was early in the year so it won't win GotY!!!!!!!
Didn't stop Breath of the Wild when it released even earlier in March, moron.
>Didn't stop Breath of the Wild when it released even earlier in March, moron.
BotW was a big evolution of the Zelda formula and deserved GOTY. TotK is derivative and doesn't deserve it.
don't know and don't care about goty but it's pretty obvious armored core is going to be the best game to release this year
Wrong it's pikmin
>OP doesn't even mention BG3
>Half the replies in the thread seething about it
Actually rent free in your head.
>ACsnoy openly showed everyone he has never played a Zelda game before
Kek
>you can't explore every single tile of the map the second you start playing, that means it's okay for TOTK and BOTW to force you down hallways and force exposition down your throat
I accept your concession that you lied, ACsnoy.
Didn't you say three screens was a good portion of the world?
>exactly one minute apart
You're not even trying.
Damn you got him
aside from the fact that the second post is 2 seconds earlier than the other one
Whatever happened to you guys called Armored Core and Pizza tower "troony shit"? Suddenly you need to act like you're arguing in good faith, so those comments just magically disappeared.
>Whatever happened to you guys called Armored Core and Pizza tower "troony shit"?
I don't remember doing that.
you lied about having played a Zelda game before, stop trying to change the topic 😉
Don't you hate when humans are in a game, and wish that everyone was a robot, ACgay?
Do you want to be an emotionless robot yourself?
see
Funny how you changed the goalpost immediately after being called out for your lack of knowledge on ALTTP that you claimed to have. Again, please stop posting because you're legitimately very bad at criticism, or even grasping the concept of criticism. You're a very annoying person and no one will ever take you seriously.
This coming from the guy who calls Pizza Tower "troony shit", and now suddenly you consider yourself the arbiter of good criticism.
Remember when ACgay tried to start shit with Custom Robo threads going 'yeah Armored Core is better'?
Isn't that the "game" where people just post female pizza toppings and nothing else?
I never called Pizza Tower anything, but it's also funny that you're suddenly getting defensive about that too. You're clearly insecure and have some kind of weird inferiority complex when it comes to Zelda games. Get a life, ACgay.
>you can't explore every single tile of the map the second you start playing
Why not? What is this, a moviegame?
Ganker still mindbroken by Tears of the Kingdom, huh?
ACgay is usually moronic. But I never seen him so thoroughly backed into a corner before. He usually has some weaselly argument up his sleeve. But this time, he's completely defenseless.
It's winning goty and there's nothing you can do about it.
Don't worry bg3 stans, you can have best strategy game of the year.
Don't worry AC fans, you will lose to RE4 for best action game of the year
see
Why did you bring up trannies out of nowhere, if suddenly you now care about discussion quality?
>Why did you bring up trannies out of nowhere
I didn't, keep me out of your weird roleplay.
Mental illness
You are like a caged animal, ACsnoy.
Seething and trembling in a corner desperately trying to get out 😉
So why did you lie about knowing how Zelda plays?
There's no "discussion quality" to be had with an idiot like you, and you literally first brought the troony thing up here before anyone even called you that:
You brought it up first here
😉
Together with your lie about other Zelda games, how ironic.
Because trannies like you are among us. We can smell the wound rot.
But in all seriousness I'm tired of this reddite astroturfing bullshit. Like a decade ago you would be mass replying to everyone saying dumb shit like
>WOAH WOAH WOAH WHY ARE YOU GUYS BRINGING UP homosexualS OUT OF NOWHERE ALL THE TIME
and out yourself as a newbie and then spend the whole thread sperging out about it.
ACgay is fighting for his life right now.
>Game of the Year
Why are snoys so obsessed with the Doritos prize? Cringe of War won it and no one is talking about it while every day we have a thread about rdr2.
>No new IP
>Suddenly replying to the OP, setting new bait.
hmmmmm
Ganker is going to be so mind broken when it does
Another 10 years of crying snoy threads til they go bankrupt once they lose COD
Armored Core is troony shit
Also metroid other M is the best game of all time you need to shut up!!!
You said it
>never
had tutorials and ALTTP let's you explore a lot before getting the sword.
Why are you lying, ACsnoy?
You are not getting away seething and lying away anymore. 😉
Hey, answer
specifically, do you want to be an emotionless robot?
Robots are better characters than weird visual novel movieshit like Fire Emblem or Xenoblade, and definitely better than the dumpster fire that was Zelda's story.
>All I asked for, a simple trifle, was to just let me skip the intro cinematic with Zelda and Link walking down a hallway. Objectively it adds nothing to the game. You can't even argue that it acts as a tutorial, because it's just walking down a hallway and listening to text boxes. That is objectively bad game design. Why force that down my throat like a snoy movie?
You're not getting any more responses until you answer this query.
But do YOU want to be a robot? Answer the question.
>walking down a hallway and listening to exposition is better than finding a way into the castle, finding items and fighting guards
Do you want to be a robot? Answer the question.
Yeah, I'd say so. considering human protags like Link, who are nothing but slaves that act as errand boys for ungrateful NPCs, I'd rather be a robot that has no such weak emotional attachments.
You know what that means?
That makes you a transhumanist.
>better than finding a way into the castle
ACsnoy, is is a linear path to the castle.
Have you still not left the third screen?
You actually have to uncover a hidden path to the side of the castle, which requires more thought than walking down a hallway and listening to exposition for 5 minutes. But considering this board likes movies so much, I'm not surprised that people consider the latter to be "kino".
Did it take you so long to find a youtube video? 😉
Don't lump me with acgay I'm just shitposting.
see
>You're not getting any more responses until you answer this query.
Then leave forever 😉
All I asked from you is to keep me out of your roleplaying.
>I'm a pedo
Got it, weird confession.
And here's the shotgun shot. Sadly, some anons will respond to this in earnest.
You know he's mentally ill when mass replies to 10 different post but his only written response is to one. I can't even tell what game he's arguing on behalf of because it's all poorly written like a guy high on meth.
ALTTP's trek to the castle is just as linear or as long as that 5 minute part in TotK and both have lines of dialogue peppered throughout. You're clearly coping at this point because everyone called you out. Get help, you schizo moron.
see
I love how you talk about "finding your way" as if you don't just listen to all the beginning exposition, push up on the D pad, take a right and then drop down into a hole to get your sword and shield.
Still takes more effort than movie games like TOTK. And truth be told, this is why randomizers are so fun, they remove even those tiny limits and give you complete and unfettered freedom.
Why is this such a bad thing?
No it isn't. And it's fricking hilarious that relatives, rather than absolutes, are suddenly vital to your dumb arguments when they're convenient for you.
>no it isn't
Then why is it such a vital part of the game, that the entire game collapses and becomes shit without it? Are BOTW and TOTK really so reliant on cinematic walk-and-talk sections, that you would refuse to play the games without them?
You're genuinely too fricking dense to follow what I'm saying and can't even understand what you call "discussion quality" so I think we're done here. Take your meds, ACshitter.
So, by your own admission, a skip button on a glorified walk and talk cutscene is too much to ask. This irreversibly ruins Zelda forever, if I ask for a simple skip button on a cutscene.
Astounding.
I didn't say any of that because it wasn't contigent on the actual comparison people were discussing, so I accept your concession. You're a complete waste of time to talk to.
So why can't I skip it? You're not answering the question. Why does the game stop being fun, unless you're forced down a hallway and forcefed exposition?
Why can't I skip bg3s character screen?
>So why can't I skip it?
Because it wasn't programmed in
>You're not answering the question.
I did
>Why does the game stop being fun, unless you're forced down a hallway and forcefed exposition?
This is a loaded question which is a logical fallacy. Maybe you can rephrase this?
Not really. It's a nitpick that doesn't amount to much either way. Like complaining that links blue tunic ruins the game because you wanted a green one.
You already proved you never played the game, see
I refuse to believe someone is actually mad about the intro to TotK. That was pure K I N O.
Anons im going to replay 2023 goty now. Someone needs to send this koroks to the moon 😉
It's more GOTY material than BotW ever was.
Bros... what do I do? This is the only screen where there aren't guards blocking my way, but it's a dead end.
Wtf why isn't there a mandatory 10 hour cinematic tutorial telling me what to do? I need the game's story to force itself on me, this is too videogamey
>I need the game's story to force itself on me
Isn't talking to your uncle mandatory? Isn't Zelda talking in your head non-skippable?
Admittedly minor and unimportant shit. The same can't be said of the movieshit intro of TOTK, where you can't even go one second without having your hand held.
Besides, I'd like to remind you that you veered off into LTTP because you knew I was right about Zelda 1. Why did you completely drop that part of the argument? You said that every single Zelda forced a mandatory tutorial on you, I pointed to Zelda 1 and said that it was honestly never necessary, and players could just play, and then you clung to LTTP as if that made Zelda 1 disappear.
why are you so dishonest?
>admittedly minor and unimportant shit
Then why can't you skip it?
Because the game is flawed. I never claimed that they were perfect masterpieces, and much as I love them, there's still room for improvement. LTTP Randomizers fix the issue by removing them completely, and it showcases my point in how much better they are as games.
You have never played ALTTP, ACsnoy.
see
Damn, you shifted the goalpost real quick there buddy lmao
Why did you like the game before playing randomizers, then?
Same reason why I liked Super Metroid. I liked the movement, the usage of items to cross the overworld, the combat. It's just that there was room for improvement.
It might shock you to learn that every single playthrough of Super Metroid I enjoy has the disgusting cinematic intro ripped out, and guess what? The game is 100% better as a result. It's unfortunate that TOTK completely and utterly crumbles if you take out the cutscenes. I guess it's not a good video game.
>Because it wasn't programmed in
Then it should be programmed in. Come on, if Nintendo can push patches to fix bugs, they should be more than willing to fix disgusting cinematic movieshit.
I don't know, I'm not a fan of BG3. Infact I hate Baldur's Gate. Go ask one of the fans.
How would you know how good TOTK is if you haven't played it?
>Then it should be programmed in
Not really. It's a minor nitpick that could go either way. It wouldn't make the game better or worse because having s tutorial isn't a flaw.
A tutorial is movieshit, so yes it is objectively a flaw. coddling your audience will always be a bad thing, otherwise you are in support of ubisoft game design with checkpoints and waymarkers and giant arrows pointing you to your objective. Do you want TOTK and BOTW to be ubishit games?
>Their focus was clearly not on making many cutscenes,
then you should have no problem with me wanting them gone. You shouldn't want them in the game, you shouldn't care if they're deleted from the game. They are objectively not gameplay, so they shouldn't exist. Why pander to the hollywood loving audience?
see
>A tutorial is movieshit
Not at all.
You made claims that I refuted with facts.
>They are objectively not gameplay
So are graphics and sound design. Games are a whole, grander than the mere sum of their parts.
Two things strike me about you:
-It seems to me that you understand nothing about making something for someone. I bet you only give people things you like as a present (if you ever do).
-You explicitly don't have good tastes in games. "Having good taste in something" is not focusing on minmaxing a single parameter or liking the "right" games, it's about having a broad palette and understanding the nuances of many things. You only understand your narrow preferences.
>So are graphics and sound design. Games are a whole, grander than the mere sum of their parts.
That's a lie, perpetuated by hollywood and hacks like kojima and druckmann. A game can survive even if it's just black blocks on a grey background with no sound whatsoever. You've just been spoonfed propaganda to justify ever-increasing budgets and costs, when games can be as simple as Tetris.
>"Having good taste in something" is not focusing on minmaxing a single parameter
Why wouldn't you minmax gameplay quality? Why is that something that you consider worth sacrificing?
>Kojima
>hack
Let me guess, you haven't played any MGS games, either.
>A game can survive even if it's just black blocks on a grey background with no sound whatsoever.
Yeah go play that dogshit then you laughable schizo. YEAR EIGHT of your Zelda meltdown begins soon ACgay.
>That's a lie, perpetuated by hollywood and hacks like kojima and druckmann
Not really.
Have you never been immersed in a video game, ACgay? Because you can't do that without the things you're deriding right now. You can't do that in Pong, you can't do that in Tetris. You CAN do that in Terraria, ironically, so are you saying you *don't* like Terraria for its graphics and sound?
Terraria's graphics and sounds aren't exactly award winning quality. They are tolerable enough for me to ignore them and play the game. Their good point is that they cost nothing to make, so they're not dragging the budget down, and not causing massive FPS issues.
>Tetris isn't just "just black blocks on a grey background with no sound whatsoever".
It kinda is. If you mute the game, the music adds nothing, and you miss nothing.
I'm referring to MGS4 literally having a 70 minute long cutscene, and seeing Ganker defend that is hilarious. Hypocrites.
Look anon, presentation should be just showing me the sprites so I know what to avoid and what to jump on. Presentation should not equal a 40 hour cutscene talking about the character's feelings, which is what Ganker wants in games. Which puzzles me.
Source, senpai?
>The problem is that you apply this even to some of the most videogamey games in history which is absurdist and nonsensical.
This board's idea of videogamey is something like MGS4, which has a literal 70 minute long cutscene in it. That is so blatantly stupid that it borders on hilarious.
>Source, senpai?
Reddit.
Can't you read?
Maybe you need a tutorial 😉
See
I accept your troonycession
>I'm referring to MGS4 literally having a 70 minute long cutscene, and seeing Ganker defend that is hilarious. Hypocrites.
So you didn't know tetris had cutscenes?
He didn't even know a link to the past had a tutorial.
>This board's idea of videogamey is something like MGS4, which has a literal 70 minute long cutscene in it.
I'm actually one of the people that criticized MGS4 for having such long cutscenes and I think they detracted from the experience. Kojima has made much better games before it.
The difference is that I don't criticize Zelda for having more minimal cutscenes, and most of them are skippable in the recent games anyway if it's not your thing. That doesn't mean their very existence is bad; it's a Zelda game so of course it's going to have to inject some kind of story context and that's all perfectly fine.
>Terraria's graphics and sounds aren't exactly award winning quality.
They're not, but that's not what I was talking about. Have you never been immersed in a game?
>Hypocrites.
How so?
>A game can survive even if it's just black blocks on a grey background with no sound whatsoever.
Not in this economy! We live in a society. You wouldn't get it.
Wow you must really hate any form of art that waste your time trying to make their point indirectly trough any form of metaphor or demonstration
You're the kind that skips to the moral of the story when reading Red Riding Hood and only read the blurb or any book because you'll definitely get the same experience that way right?
>Same reason why I liked Super Metroid. I liked the movement, the usage of items to cross the overworld, the combat. It's just that there was room for improvement.
I bet you have never played it. see
>hand held
You walk through a fricking hallway for like 3-5 short minutes you tard, how is that "handholding" compared to ALTTP?
Because this is a game that touts freedom. I can approach the game in any way I want, so you better let me skip the damn intro, that doesn't even add anything to the game other than movieshit.
Why can't I skip that?
Still doesn't count as a tutorial. It has some text boxes, which are unfortunate flaws, but this is a game from 1994, so I expect Nintendo to not repeat these flaws 30 years later. Even then, I'm allowed to move in directions that aren't just "forward".
>Still doesn't count as a tutorial
It is hyper linear and prevents progression without doing a specific sequence of story and learning.
The definition of a tutorial, ACsnoy 😉
>Admittedly minor and unimportant shit
see
You are moving your own goalposts again 😉
Why did you lie about ATTP not having tutorials?
It probably won't win because the people who vote prefer cinematic oscar bait games like Elden Ring or Armored Core
This game is a fun physics sandbox but it does NOT deserve GotY and is NOT in the top 10 zelda games
Lets face it, this game lacks CONTENT and BALANCE
>6 years development time only to reuse the same map and all the same assets
>only 7 new enemies
>the 4 new dungeons added together equal about 1.5 normal dungeons in a real zelda game
>the plot is an absolute fricking joke and storytelling somehow miserably worse than botw
>not even just the 4x copy pasted sage cutscenes, the hyrule castle quest becomes the worst form of rehashed low effort content and nadir of the series so far
>100% seriously, this is worse filler than Wind Waker's triforce hunt, which at least had minidungeons and unique island quests
and yet the game balance is total shit
>armor makes everything deal 0.25 damage to you
>zonaite as a resource actively discourages using any large vehicles
>enemies are even MORE trivialized than botw, because now you have stuff like puffshrooms
>seriously, fricking puffshrooms, what were they thinking, its a 20 second aoe stun + free backstabs
>not some stealth bullshit, its just a literal stun because enemies don't see you even after you stab them
>yiga are a joke and die in 1 hit
>and yet while on a vehicle you're basically invulnerable and nothing can hit you
>slow mo archery is even MORE broken than botw thanks to fused arrows for more DPS or homing
>rubies on arrows mean you can kill anything in the game in 1-2 shots even the final boss, something botw never had to break the game
If it didn't have any physics at all it would still be one of the best games of the year. Unmatched world design. Puzzle and dungeon design. Unique concepts that literally no other game has. Soulful sidequests with memorable characters. This game has it all and that's before you factor in the one of a kind physics and creation system. There's literally no flaws in this game.
>there's no flaws
Except the focus on being a movie.
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It was ok when Armored Core did it so its ok when Zelda does it.
Nope, it's not okay when Armored Core does it. See, I'm going to do something that'll shock you fanboys: I am going to admit that my favorite series is flawed. I would love to see all of the cutscenes ripped out, all of the voice acting gone. I would even get rid of the fancy graphics. The gameplay is all that matters, and everything else is disposable fodder.
Anon, we've been through this song and dance before.
>you never played it!
>yes I have
>prove it!
>okay *timestamp and/or copy of dolphin save files*
>HAHA YOU PLAYED IT IN A WAY I DON'T APPROVE, KYS troony
Xenoblade really demonstrated how you guys cannot take criticism.
Then post your TOTK file now. You didn't with Bayonetta, saying you conveniently lost it
Considering I literally posted a picture of myself playing LTTP via an emulator, IN THIS VERY THREAD, and you still imply that I haven't touched Zelda, that tells me that you'll objectively never accept any proof given.
They are lazy aspects of game design. I want a video game, not a movie. Wtf how did you guys get gaslit into loving movie games like Uncharted and TLOU? I always saw Nintendo fans are one of the last vanguards against hollywood vomit, but seeing you guys embrace it fully has left me greatly concerned. Am I the only one left to carry the anti-movie game torch?
Why are there mandatory cutscenes at all, in a Nintendo game? And wasn't your argument before that "cutscenes are okay as long as you can skip them"? Infact that seems to be your argument defending memories, so how do you defend an UNSKIPPABLE intro cutscene?
You took 15 minutes to leave the first room, then lied.
You have proven you have not played the game ever.
I accept your troonycession.
I said you didn't play TOTK, not Zelda in its entirety. Post your TOTK save. You DO have it, right? You aren't scrambling to make one now, are you?
Nah, after you calling me a troony in Xenoblade threads, especially after showing you my pre-prison island save file, you've lost the right to ask me for timestamps of any kind. You won't even apologize for that, so why bother?
It was so easy for you to show it then, why not show it now? The simple answer is that you don't have one.
You still don't believe that I played Xenoblade, even after showing the file. You're not worth the effort.
Okay smart guy, where did I download it from? Everyone in the thread antagonized me for "playing the game wrong" and 'not understanding the meta at all". If I had downloaded it from somewhere, don't you think it would be some 100% completition save file with a meta party setup or something?
>even after showing the file
Emulators aren't playing the game.
I don't call you a troony though? That's insulting to trannies.
which people found you downloaded online.
Oops 😉
You said you wanted all trannies to die, why are you so sensitive now? 😉
>I literally posted a picture of myself playing LTTP via an emulator
Anybody can do that without paying attention to the game or the shitty comparisons they make. It's low effort shitposting like your entire post history.
>They are lazy aspects of game design
Not at all.
>I want a video game, not a movie
Then I would suggest the non video medium of gaming such as sport, board, and table top, but two of those are entirely text based and I can't imagine you enjoy sports in the slightest so I guess you're stuck with movies like Armored Core.
>Wtf how did you guys get gaslit into loving movie games like Uncharted and TLOU?
This is a loaded question which is a logical fallacy. You'll have to rephrase it.
>This is a loaded question which is a logical fallacy.
This is a fallacy fallacy. You're refusing to answer the question because you don't like being called out, so you pretend to be above it. By the way, remember when you called yourself an arbiter of good discussion, right before calling me a troony? I guess that facade fell quick.
Why did you just threaten to rape him?
>This is a fallacy fallacy
Not at all.
>You're refusing to answer the question
Loaded questions aren't questions. They accusations, which is why they're logical fallacies.
You are insulting me because I want more gameplay in a game, and I want less cutscenes. Why else would you hurl such insults and call me a troony?
>Do you have proof that you have played more than three screens of ALTTP?
So you can call me a troony again? I figured the 20+ romhacks and randomizers would've convinced you, but guess you weren't convinced.
It's uploaded to my mega account, which is here. https://mega.nz/folder/HhMAWJqR#yu5xiWCWmRVZGqLY4VUMGg
Can you show me that exact save file being uploaded somewhere else, at an earlier time?
>You are insulting me
No I am not.
>I figured the 20+ romhacks and randomizers would've convinced you, but guess you weren't convinced.
How is that evidence you played them?
>source:reddit
Kek, that easy.
>You are insulting me because I want more gameplay in a game, and I want less cutscenes.
This would be fine if you weren't such an extremist about it. I think everyone can agree they don't want cutscenes to be so excessive that the game as a whole is more movie than gameplay.
The problem is that you apply this even to some of the most videogamey games in history which is absurdist and nonsensical.
>They are lazy aspects of game design.
Video games aren't just bouncing pong balls back and forth, they have presentational elements hence the VIDEO in video games. You're not actually interested in video games at all, so I recommend table tennis or foosball instead since it's more your speed.
>Video games aren't just bouncing pong balls back and forth, they have presentational elements
The presentation exists solely to give you some indication of the gameplay. Nothing more. When you want games to have hour long cutscenes with zero interaction, then you no longer want a video game.
>tetris being a video game is bad
>MGS lecturing you about current year politics is good
wow
see
>tetris being a video game is bad
Tetris isn't just "just black blocks on a grey background with no sound whatsoever".
Try again you pathetic mentally ill schizo. YEAR EIGHT of your Zelda meltdown begins soon.
>tetris being a video game is bad
>MGS lecturing you about current year politics is good
They're both good games
>hour long cutscenes with zero interaction
Is this hyperbole or are you no longer talking about Zelda?
>tetris being a video game
Under who's logic? Tetris has cutscenes anon.
>The presentation exists solely to give you some indication of the gameplay
No they don't, but they can sometimes intertwine with the gameplay which is perfectly fine, and you can enjoy both elements simultaneously. It's becoming increasingly clear that you don't actually know what you're talking about.
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Ypu literally already lied about having played ALTTP
>Nope, it's not okay when Armored Core does it
I disagree.
>I am going to admit that my favorite series is flawed.
Dialog and exposition aren't flaws. They are aspects of game design.
>Wants to be a movie
That's so disingenuous
Their focus was clearly not on making many cutscenes, based on how little there are (re-using the seal war explanation cutscene, having most of the lore done trough text from tablets, not having any cutscene outside of the main story)
This is not even one of the few mandatory cutscenes, you took an optional cutscene that looks like the one that plays at the beginning of the game on purpose to mislead people.
You'll have to go out of your way to watch the memories and it's not even required to progress in the game.
>unmatched world design
EA and Ubisoft matches it though
that looks like goty to me
>4 new dungeons
>he doesn't know
The beginning of ALTTP is totally linear to help you get accustomed to the controls
You don't even get a sword until 5 minutes in
but enough about transition ring
More enemy variety in Limgrave alone than the entirety of Turds of the Krapdom. You lose!
>ACgay complains about Zelda fan art
>ACgay worships Pizza Tower which literally bases its entire annoying fanbase around the tumblr tier fan art
lol
lmao
>Pizza Tower fans won't praise their game as a literal masterpiece
>can't criticize Zelda without being called a troony
Kind of a big difference.
>You have proven you have not played the game ever.
So, by your logic, I have at least 20 different romhacks, including 3 different randomizers, of a game I've never played. Is that your logic?
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ACsnoytroony, you have never played ALTTP.
Damn, eric, acgay and the switch discord are going hard in this thread
The only discord troon here is eric and he's losing the battle alongside his buddy acnig
>The only discord troon here is eric
Not really.
oh well i guess you would know if you're also a discord troon
leave the thread then homosexual
Your post made me remember I didn't mention snoys also being here, thanks.
You're getting unusually nervous, are you ok?
It was actually your parents who assigned your names. Then you told us your names via doxing. Basically boils down to a skill issue. Essentially you're bad at the internet.
>no Midna
What's the point of this "game"?
its for not zelda fans and homosexuals.
>snoytroons,
Yes.
>Nintendo discord troons
Yeah.
>and Eric and ACgay
You got that right.
You can tell how much of a masterpiece TotK by the way it makes trannies here seethe every day.
I love watching schizos mald almost as much as I love playing the game.
lol moronic pajeets return with their copypasted replies.
>From a troonylator subreddit.
Do you have proof?
looking it up.
Do you have proof that you have played more than three screens of ALTTP?
Because your lies tell me the answer is no.
Do you have proof it is yours?
>Make up random lies
BotW was garbage enough that anyone with a brain avoided playing this altogether. You can tell it's an overrated piece of shit because the only people that talk about it are the usual crowd of Nintendo obsessed rejects who have to pretend like everything that comes out on their little toddler console is the greatest thing ever.
well said but this board is manchildren central so it will only create seethe
Erictroony, stop trying.
Reminder that ACgay refuses to play rhythm games because he thinks they're all just one big QTE
Zelda is for kids. Real gamers play Elden ring
more like well informed people with standards and previous memory of past quality of games that should be upholded which TotK fails at but yes.
It's weird how this thread's survival hinges on acgay. The moment he fricks off it would die instantly.
He's a mod anyway
Is he? Wouldn't surprise me.
You get off to trannies.
To be honest I often make BotW/TotK threads just to keep ACgay contained. Then I frick off to bed knowing fine well the schizo will spend the next 16 hours ranting incoherently.
I wake up in the morning and get to piss myself reading his meltdown over breakfast.
>complain about snoy movies
Where did I do that?
>Where's the 70 minute long cutscene in Tetris?
I never said there was a 70 minute long cutscene in tetris.
>Let's see the link, my dude.
You won't accept any proof anyway. Why bother?
Why are you calling me a troony, while claiming that I don't argue in good faith?
You won't accept any proof anyway. Why bother?
>No argument
I accept your troonycession
>no proof
I accept your troonycession that you didn't 😉
>Why not? Look at the crowd it attracts.
Logical fallacy because some things attract many crowds. Even the simplest games attract freaks and weirdos, I mean look at you for example. That's not a good (or logical) reason to argue all cutscenes are automatically bad.
>I will stress this again: when my favorite games have these flaws, it is my perogative and duty to call them out as flawed.
They can only be seen is flawed if they're so excessive that they actively detract from your total amount of time playing the game. This happens in MGS4, TLOU and GOW. This does not happen in Zelda at all.
>Logical fallacy because some things attract many crowds.
The problem is that the game openly embraces it, and the fans refuse to acknowledge it as a problem, so they're propagating it. At the very least they should be willing to admit that this is a problem.
>They can only be seen is flawed if they're so excessive that they actively detract from your total amount of time playing the game.
And when it ruins the entire flow of the game, ruining freedom just to shove story down your throat, the yes zelda is guilty of it too. When I ask for a skip cutscene button to get past the tutorial, your response should be "that's a good idea, that would be nice, great for people who hate the story". You shouldn't dismiss it because "oh it's a minor nitpick, the game is perfect, shut up". Otherwise you're just demonstrating that the game is bad because changing it even a tiny bit would somehow ruin it.
>Ah I see your confusion, you think people don't like those games because of cutscenes. That's why you don't like them
The cutscenes are just an indicator of the problems. These games also have problems spewing politics when they have no right to. MGS, in terms of storytelling, is just as bad as God of War or TLOU.
>BRO WAR IS.... LE BAD!
Thanks Kojima. I don't think you needed 50 hours of cutscenes to spew that vomit in my face.
Nah, those are optional at most. I genuinely feel more immersed playing Pong than most AAA games.
Why all the bad faith arguments?
>Why all the bad faith arguments?
You won't accept any proof anyway. Why bother?
I thought this was okay, considering it is your argument 😉
I'd be willing to accept proof because I'm not calling you a troony or a homosexual or resorting to other insults. Would you be willing to accept proof?
>Acsnoytroony
hmm, I guess not.
You won't accept any proof anyway. Why bother?
You provide proof first 😉
ACsnoytroony, why did you lie about playing any Zelda game ever?
I'm not arguing with you in
, I'm stating an obvious truth. Ganker has ruined you.
But you're not using my arguments. You're using half-assed versions of my arguments, not understanding the context behind them.
>I think this game is a movie because people only care about the cinematics
>I would gladly rescind if you at least acknowledged that the story isn't the miost important thing, and that the gameplay would work fine without it
You miss the second part and try to finagle my argument without it.
>Not really. Cutscenes are merely aspects of game design. See: Tetris.
If someone genuinely remembered Tetris for the cutscenes, then I would direct them to Resetera. Tetris is all about the gameplay.
>They have a right to. It's their creation
And I have a right to criticize them as bad because of it. Video games are not, and should never be, vehicles for political lectures.
Sounds like a skill issue, chum. Do you think Dwarf Fortress needed fancy realistic graphics for people to like it?
>But you're not using my arguments.
You won't accept any proof anyway. Why bother?
I'm good at Pong and I can never see I've felt immersion from Pong. I just don't think you understand what people mean when they say that.
ACsnoytroony, stop lying about playing Zelda games
>If someone genuinely remembered Tetris for the cutscenes, then I would direct them to Resetera
It's ok that you didn't know tetris had cutscenes. Most people don't.
>Tetris is all about the gameplay.
And also music and cutscenes
>And I have a right to criticize them as bad because of it
Yes that's what my post said.
>Video games are not, and should never be, vehicles for political lectures.
I disagree.
>I would gladly rescind if you at least acknowledged that the story isn't the miost important thing, and that the gameplay would work fine without it
Okay. Story isn't the most important thing and the gameplay works fine without it. That was easy.
Now rescind your moronic point about story automatically being something that drags down the game, because that has nothing to do with acknowledging either of those points.
>Okay. Story isn't the most important thing and the gameplay works fine without it. That was easy.
Then why did you call me an autistic snoytroony for wanting a bloody skip button to get past the intro cutscene? You can't even argue that the tutorial is necessary, because it's not even the tutorial. Walking forward in a straight line is a straight up cutscene, and didn't you just say that I can't complain about memories because you can at least skip them?
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Anything that involves free player movement isn't a "straight up cutscene" and the part you're referring to in TotK isn't even a straight line. You also didn't rescind what you promised, proving that you're not intellectually honest.
>The cutscenes are just an indicator of the problems.
Not really. Cutscenes are merely aspects of game design. See: Tetris.
>These games also have problems spewing politics when they have no right to.
They have a right to. It's their creation, they can do whatever they want and people are free to enjoy, avoid, comment or criticize.
>MGS, in terms of storytelling, is just as bad as God of War or TLOU.
>>BRO WAR IS.... LE BAD!
>Thanks Kojima. I don't think you needed 50 hours of cutscenes to spew that vomit in my face.
Then don't play those games.
There's no real immersion in Pong in a game context. You need graphics and sound for that.
>The problem is that the game openly embraces it
Openly embraces what? Porn and shipping?
If anything the Zelda series tries to shy away from being explicit about any of that stuff. Link and Zelda are friends at best and sometimes even just barely acquainted with each other in most of the games. On a psychological level it's clear that this all just boils down to some kind of personal grudge for you and that you can't be rational or objective when it comes to certain franchises. You should get that checked out.
>And when it ruins the entire flow of the game, ruining freedom just to shove story down your throat, the yes zelda is guilty of it too.
Well it doesn't, so no, it isn't.
>If anything the Zelda series tries to shy away from being explicit about any of that stuff.
Then it should stop trying to venerate the NPCs as anything other than disposable fodder, especially Zelda. She deserves a tire iron to the face for being annoying and useless. Why should I, the hero, constantly bend the knee to a useless NPC?
Why does a game need hours of cutscenes and fancy graphics just to immerse you? Why can't it just rely on good gameplay? Again hollywood gaslighting as ruined the board.
>It's ok that you didn't know tetris had cutscenes.
I know about the dumb rocket ship. I just don't care. I don't play Tetris for the story, whatever shoddy and nonexistent story it even has. does STACKING BLOCKS really need epic lore?
>And also music and cutscenes
You can cut them out and miss absolutely nothing.
see
Wh are you ignoring this?
Seems like I win as always 😉
>Then it should stop trying to venerate the NPCs as anything other than disposable fodder, especially Zelda. She deserves a tire iron to the face for being annoying and useless. Why should I, the hero, constantly bend the knee to a useless NPC?
What? That has nothing to do with embracing shipping or porn, that's just you being a creepy incel with a school shooter mentality.
My point stands that nothing you're saying logically holds up.
The game glorifies this character for no reason other than she's waifu material, no matter how annoying and useless she is. It embraces shipping culture because we're supposed to simp for her for absolutely zero reason.
If this was a competent game, like Doom, I'd be able to just kill every monster and demon with my bare hands. I'd literally choke Ganon with my two hands and slice him into ribbons, then travel back in time and kill Demise before he can do this curse. None of this crap about how I'm basically an errand boy for Zelda to use her deus ex god powers, which magically stop working when it's convenient.
>I don't think it's dumb. It's very charming actually. Have you ever beat Tetris?
Yes, I just didn't care about the dumb cutscene. Just like how I praise Terraria for having minimal cutscenes, even though 1.4 added a dumb end credit scene. i acknowledge it as a flaw and not important to the game, and move on.
>I disagree.
You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.
>Anything that involves free player movement isn't a "straight up cutscene"
Are you literally using the snoy movie defense? "Kratos walked in a straight line while listening to exposition, so it counts as 10/10 gameplay"? Holy crap anon, have some dignity. Please. You are praising THIS as masterful gameplay design, all because you "technically press a button".
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I guess I raped you so hard you can no longer respond 😉
>Are you literally using the snoy movie defense? "Kratos walked in a straight line while listening to exposition, so it counts as 10/10 gameplay"?
Do you know what "literally" means, and did I say that counted as 10/10 gameplay? TotK does this for a few minutes to establish some context while God of War does this for its entire run.
It's still by definition not a "straight up cutscene'", you idiot.
>acknowledge it as a flaw
They're not. They're aspects of game design. Flaw would be like an unintended softlock.
>The game glorifies this character for no reason other than she's waifu material
Yeah, that's obvciously not true and you can't think rationally or objectively like I said. You've been using logical fallacy on top of logical fallacy throughout the whole thread and keep jumping to bigger and bigger extremes every time someone rebuts your point so you can't even be consistent about what you're arguing. It's time to take a step back, take a deep breath, and focus more on playing the games you like instead of acting like Zelda is "srs bsns" or whatever because your blonde childhood crush rejected you.
>Yeah, that's obvciously not true
Considering the dumb b***h refused to use her god powers until after the whole world was ruined, I'd say she wasn't trying hard enough.
>b-but she was trying her best! it just wasn't working
Maybe she should've tried harder. I killed Ganon with my bare hands, while she took a nap in a corner somewhere in the castle. But don't worry, the game will totally glorify her by saying that she used her heckin wholesome god powers to hold back ganon, except I still had to fight his minions, and the divine beasts, and the renegade guardians, and I had to come back and kill ganon anyway. But hey, maybe she's more useful in the sequel.
>gets send back in time, has a tea party with furries, then turns into a dragon to fix a useless sword that'll just break again in the sequel, when it wasn't even necessary in BOTw
ooooh. Some princess you got there. But hey, at least she magically got a happy ending without earning it, because that would've been too much to ask of her, right?
The point overall is that Dwarf Fortress proved that you could make a good game even with a graphics budget of 0 dollars, so you arguing that super realism is somehow mandatory, it's false. Games do not need to be arthouse films.
As a gameplay enthusiast, I feel as though my authority is greater in this situation. No offense to you, but only one of us defends 70 minute cutscenes.
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Not responding is bad faith, ACsnoy 😉
>so you arguing that super realism is somehow mandatory
I never said that was mandatory. Again, you see the word "graphics" and instantly assume someone means hyper realistic graphics when they mention it, meaning you're not qualified to talk about it.
>As a gameplay enthusiast, I feel as though my authority is greater in this situation
No true scotsman fallacy. You'll have to rethink your response.
>No offense to you, but only one of us defends 70 minute cutscenes.
Strawman fallacy. You'll have to rethink your response.
>I know about the dumb rocket ship. I just don't care
I don't think it's dumb. It's very charming actually. Have you ever beat Tetris? Also this is why I implied that you are a hypocrite because you used a game with many cutscenes as an example for a cutscene free game, while knowing it had cutscenes. It's disingenuous to say the least.
>You can cut them out and miss absolutely nothing.
I disagree.
>Why does a game need hours of cutscenes and fancy graphics just to immerse you?
I didn't say it needed hours of cutscenes or high end graphics, I said graphics and sound are just as essential to immersion.
Many games like Dwarf Fortress will argue otherwise. Modern zoomers have just been poisoned into thinking that games need to be hollywood spectacle. It is absurd that such a thing is controversial to say.
>you don't need anything other than good gameplay to be immersed
And this causes everyone to be angry. It's amazing.
Dwarf Fortress has graphics and sound.
Only the absolute minimum. If a game can get by with literal ASCII letters everywhere, then you don't need fancy trillion dollar animations.
They're not making the game better, so by all intents it is a flaw.
>TotK does this for a few minutes to establish some context
Then why does it have to be mandatory? what if I don't want or need context? What if I just want to get right into the game? don't tell me that context is mandatory, since you guys gloated to high heavens about being able to skip the entire game and rush to ganon, so the "story" clearly isn't important, so why force it on me?
And on that note, shouldn't you be praising God of War for forcing you on rails the entire run? In your own words, "games need mandatory story being forcefed to the player" so if anything GOW would be a masterpiece in your eyes. Freedom and options are bad, remember? Hence why you chewed me out for simply wanting a "skip tutorial" button.
>They're not making the game better, so by all intents it is a flaw.
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It doesn't matter how minimal you subjectively argue the graphics and sound in Dwarf Fortress are, and you're clearly not qualified to talk about either of those things. They are essential to that aspect regardless.
>They're not making the game better
I disagree
>so by all intents it is a flaw
No by all intents it's an opinion
>Then why does it have to be mandatory?
To establish context, like I said. Whether you personally want it is irrelevant.
>And on that note, shouldn't you be praising God of War for forcing you on rails the entire run?
No, because that has nothing to do with establishing story context at the start.
>In your own words, "games need mandatory story being forcefed to the player" so if anything GOW would be a masterpiece in your eyes.
Those aren't my own words and you're really terrible at interpreting or comprehending words.
>Freedom and options are bad, remember?
Nah, those are usually good.
>To establish context,
Zelda 1 didn't need to establish context. I can run around and get killed by random monsters before even getting a sword. Why was this such a bad thing? This is why Minecraft and Terraria are the true spiritual successors to Zelda. No tutorials, almost no cutscenes period. You're just allowed to go out and do whatever. There is a bit of structure, but it's more based on item progression instead of story restrictions.
>No, because that has nothing to do with establishing story context at the start.
Why restrict it to the start? If the story is so important, you might as well force it on the player the whole game? Since the game would fall apart without it, remember? Pesky things like freedom might jeopardize the cinematic narrative, in your own words.
>Those aren't my own words
"Story must be forced on the player because context is more important than freedom" right from your mouth.
>Nah, those are usually good.
Then let me skip the intro.
Graphics are a means to an end and nothing more. If they're not servicing the gameplay, they do not deserve to exist.
>No true scotsman fallacy. You'll have to rethink your response
No, sorry, my post was fact. I want gameplay, you want cutscenes. Hence only one of us is a gameplay enthusiast. You're not worming your way out of that. Besides, if it was a strawmen, you'd be able to eloquently explain why, instead of saying "that's a strawman because... .it just is!". Go on, show that you can deconstruct the argument.
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>Zelda 1 didn't need to establish context.
It does establish context. You literally can't beat the game without it.
>Since the game would fall apart without it, remember?
Nobody said this.
>Pesky things like freedom might jeopardize the cinematic narrative, in your own words.
Nobody said this.
>"Story must be forced on the player because context is more important than freedom" right from your mouth.
What post are you quoting? I didn't say that.
>Then let me skip the intro.
You don't need to, the intro is fine for what it is and lasts no longer than a few minutes.
I said gameplay matters more than story, which is true, and you took that to such an absurdist extreme it's no longer a meaningful critique. You even said you would rescind your own dishonest arguments if I acknowledged what I said and yet you failed to deliver on your own promise. You're just disingenuous, so thanks for conceding on that.
>It does establish context. You literally can't beat the game without it.
Funny, because all of the context is behind the manual, and maybe in the title screen, both things you're allowed to skip. Unless you'd like to show me the 20 minute walking segment in Zelda 1 that forces you to walk in a straight line.
>what are you quoting
Your post, actually. Infact you say it in this next part.
>You don't need to, the intro is fine for what it is and lasts no longer than a few minutes.
I'm saying it isn't fine. I want to skip it, and there's no reason why I shouldn't be allowed to. It is bad cutscene-flavored gameplay where you walk in a straight line. If the game cannot survive without it, then it is cinematic movieshit.
>You even said you would rescind your own dishonest arguments if I acknowledged what I said
But you didn't. Even now you demand that story be put on a pedestal and made unskippable. Otherwise you would let me skip the intro cutscene. Story will never be okay. It will always be a detriment.
>Funny, because all of the context is behind the manual, and maybe in the title screen
And the dialogue, and the small cutscenes that take control away from your character like at the end, and the ending. Context is objectively fundamental to the game's completion.
>Your post, actually. Infact you say it in this next part.
Then you can't read. Context isn't "more important" than freedom, they aren't even mutually exclusive.
>I'm saying it isn't fine. I want to skip it, and there's no reason why I shouldn't be allowed to.
And I'm saying it is. I don't care if you want to skip it. Literally nobody else is bothered by this.
>But you didn't.
But I did, word for word in fact. It's right there in the reply chain, here I'll even quote it for you since you're incapable of that yourself:
>And the dialogue, and the small cutscenes that take control away from your character like at the end
i think maybe 2-3 NPCs even have dialogue, and one is just telling you to take his sword. And even then it's not essential in the slightest. If you think that somehow is vital to the experience, then you never liked Zelda.
>And I'm saying it is. I don't care if you want to skip it. Literally nobody else is bothered by this.
nobody else was bothered by ubisoft shit and bad open world design, I guess Nintendo should've never tried fixing the genre, and they were wrong to do so, right? Why try and fix something if the NPC masses lap it up already?
>But I did, word for word in fact.
Then apologize for getting angry at me for wanting to skip the intro story. I want the ability to skip every single cutscene in every single game, even if it's an attosecond long. Admit that this is objectively a valid criticism.
>And even then it's not essential in the slightest.
It is essential as it conveys information. Other NPCs also convey vital hints that you need for progression so that you're not just randomly bombing areas to see what sticks. You were already called out for knowing nothing about ALTTP earlier in this thread and now you don't seem to know very much about the first game either.
>nobody else was bothered by ubisoft shit and bad open world design
Wrong and dishonest as usual.
>Then apologize for getting angry at me for wanting to skip the intro story.
I'm not angry at you, I just think you're an idiot. You should apologize for promising to rescind a willfully bad point and then negging on that promise.
>Admit that this is objectively a valid criticism.
I don't need to admit anything because that isn't a valid argument. It's just the opposite extreme from morons who want all games to be cinematic from start to finish like Uncharted.
>It is essential as it conveys information.
"Grumble grumble" is not vital information.
>also convey vital hints that you need for progression so that you're not just randomly bombing areas to see what sticks
What's wrong with randomly bombing areas? Why do you need to be spoonfed which direction to go?
>Wrong and dishonest as usual.
Actually implying that the NPC masses have taste. lol
>I'm not angry at you, I just think you're an idiot.
So wanting to skip a cutscene makes me an idiot. In that case, every memory in TOTK and BOTW makes the game worse because they shouldn't be skippable. Your words, not mine.
>I don't need to admit anything because that isn't a valid argument.
Then TOTK and BOTW shouldn't have freedom at all. They should force you to play the game one way, and strip out any freedom or non-linearity. And every cutscene should be unskippable. After all, we can't risk the players missing out on important cinematic context, right?
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I accept your troonycession 😉
Now apologize for not killing yourself.
>"Grumble grumble" is not vital information.
You didn't play the game.
>What's wrong with randomly bombing areas? Why do you need to be spoonfed which direction to go?
You didn't play the game. LoZ doesn't spoonfeed you but it does give you directions (i.e. context) and hints through its various NPCs in caves and dungeons. Bombing random walls in every tile of the overworld with absolutely none of these hints or directions (and without even knowing to do that at all) isn't good game design, there's no structure there. Even the most basic adventure games convey what to do.
>So wanting to skip a cutscene makes me an idiot.
Your reasoning makes you an idiot. You're bad at criticism and having a discussion in good faith, that also makes you an idiot.
>Then TOTK and BOTW shouldn't have freedom at all.
Responding to me calling you extreme by just making another extreme argument just proves my point. They can have both, and do have both, and people are fine with both. You're just moronic.
>You didn't play the game.
Just like how I didn't play Xenoblade, right? And then when I asked you to disprove my dolphin save file, you deflected with a non-argument?
>LoZ doesn't spoonfeed you but it does give you directions (i.e. context) and hints through its various NPCs in caves and dungeons.
That sounds like a skill issue. I don't even read Any of the minimal NPC dialogue, and I beat the game just fine. But hey, if you want every game to be uncharted, more power to you I guess?
>You're bad at criticism
Next time try saying that without calling me a troony. Kind of ruins your point.
>They can have both, and do have both
According to you, they can't. Freedom is bad, remember? You should never be allowed to skip a cutscene. That's toxic and it ruins game design, remember?
>Just like how I didn't play Xenoblade, right? And then when I asked you to disprove my dolphin save file, you deflected with a non-argument?
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You need better proof than something easily faked, like you playing it with your face on the video.
And yet you refuse to post your Yuzu savefile for TOTK, strange.
If your only counter argument is the Xenoblade file that everyone consistently makes fun of you for, you've already lost. GG, ACgay. Maybe next time.
So did I play Xenoblade or not? You make fun of me for playing it wrong, but then backtrack and say it's not even my save file. So which is it?
If your Xenoblade savefile is supposed to be proof, then your TOTK savefile would be proof, right?
But nobody accepts it as proof. Apparently emulation doesn't count, which is why my LTTP and Zelda 1 caps don't count either. No matter what I do, Ganker is insistent on refusing to believe any of my timestamps or screencaps. Considering they just want to call me a troony, they're not interested in back and forth discussion. They just want to shitpost.
Anybody can boot up a rom of a game, post screenshots of the first few seconds they're in control of Link, and then continue spouting complete bullshit that indicates they never played it and actually don't know very much about it.
The Xenoblade file counts for Xenoblade, it's just funny because you played the game like a complete moron.
>The Xenoblade file counts for Xenoblade, it's just funny because you played the game like a complete moron.
So even though I played the game for about 20 hours, you still came up with a contrived way for it to not count, thus proving that you refuse to accept any evidence. thank you for proving my point.
>Next I suggest avoiding disingenuous debate tactics like logical fallacies.
Oh please. I was being rational when I wanted a skip cutscene button. that didn't warrant people ganging up on me and calling me a troony. Something you didn't have a problem with, by the way. Curious.
>You say it's proof, then post it as proof.
Not until you acknowledge my Xenoblade file, AND me playing LTTP and Zelda 1. And the rest of the Zelda titles while we're at it. There's no point in me wasting my time, when you already have a canned "you're a troony" response waiting to be pulled out.
Post footage of you playing it, go on
Already did it with Zelda 1, LTTP and Xenoblade, all in this thread no less. So I expect an apology first.
You've posted screenshots and alleged savefiles, not footage
>you still came up with a contrived way for it to not count
I literally just said it counted but that it was just a funny example. Can you not read?
But again, it counts for Xenoblade only. Not Zelda.
>I literally just said it counted but
>but
then it doesn't count to you. There shouldn't be a "but". You should've apologized for claiming that I supposedly stole it from the internet. Remember that claim of yours?
The "but" was not to say it didn't count for Xenoblade, it was to say it was funny. Humorous. Entertaining.
How the frick did you get past elementary school with kindergarten tier reading comprehension? Or is this your way of trying to deflect yourself from the burden of proof with Zelda which we all know you haven't played?
>The "but" was not to say it didn't count for Xenoblade,
>you downloaded it online, it's not your save file
hmmmm.....
Yeah, sounds like you're out if arguments because lost yet again so all you can fall back on is pretending I'm someone else. Pretty desperate but also pretty funny.
>Oh please. I was being rational when I wanted a skip cutscene button.
And I was being rational when I disagreed.
>that didn't warrant people ganging up on me and calling me a troony
Nor did my disagreement warrant your disingenuous logical fallacies.
>Something you didn't have a problem with, by the way. Curious.
because from my perspective both you and them are being disingenuous while only I have not. Please refrain repurposing someone elses mistakes as my own. I am not them. That is illogical and dishonest.
>And I was being rational when I disagreed.
Rational? You called me a troony and said that I "didn't know how to make valid criticism". Tell me, how is it bad faith shitposting to want a skip cutscene button? Go on, you said I had never once made a valid critique, so let's hear why my post was so horrible.
>Nor did my disagreement
Calling me a troony that never once made a good criticism =/ mere disagreement.
>because from my perspective both you and them are being disingenuous while only I have not.
So in your mind, there is no difference between
>I wish I could skip this cutscene
and
>KYS SNOY troony DILATE LOOOL
>Rational? You called me a troony
No I didn't.
>Tell me, how is it bad faith shitposting to want a skip cutscene button?
I never said it was
>Go on, you said I had never once made a valid critique, so let's hear why my post was so horrible.
I didn't say that either
>Calling me a troony that never once made a good criticism =/ mere disagreement.
I didn't call you a troony
>So in your mind, there is no difference between
>>I wish I could skip this cutscene
>and
>>KYS SNOY troony DILATE LOOOL
I didn't call you a troony, snoy, dilste, etc
And if I did, I sincerely apologize. But I'm sure I didn't.
He thinks that everyone is the same person, remember? See
, one person said it, so he gets to blame and dismiss you for everything everyone else saied
>I never said it was
"You have never once made a good faith criticism in your life, ACgay". Straight from your post.
>I didn't call you a troony, snoy, dilste, etc
I can prove you're lying, because even now you refuse to acknowledge my original post as valid. It doesn't matter if you disagree with it, it's still valid criticism. I didn't call anyone a troony, I didn't tell anyone to kill themselves. All I did was mention something that personally went against the game design. And even now, on page 10, you cannot and will not acknowledge this as legit criticism.
>one person said it, so he gets to blame and dismiss you for everything everyone else saied
This but unironically. If you're not going to take responsibility for the shitposters in your fandom, you should be held accountable for their sins.
>I can prove you're lying, because even now you refuse to acknowledge my original post as valid.
Prove that one of their posts calls you such things, right now.
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My original post
And then the second reply to it
>calls me a troony who likes a game called troony ring
And just for bonus points,
>"You will never be a good critic"
All because I wanted a skip cutscene button.
Where's your proof that he posted those? The only way you could possibly know is if you can see their IP adresses
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>NOBODY CALLED YOU A troony
yes they did
>W-WELL NOBODY SAID IT WAS BAD CRITICISM
yes they did
>WELL WHY DO YOU WANT TO SKIP CUTSCENES ANYWAY? WHAT ARE YOU, A SNOY
not an argument
>W-WELL YOU CAN'T PROVE IT WAS US
Looks like I have won another discussion. And all you fellas can do is fallback on the same insults and tired arguments you've always relied on. like calling me a troony for the 70th time (not even an exxaggeration either).
You say it's proof, then post it as proof. Better yet, post footage of you playing through your savefile with some way to actually be able to tell that it's not only you, but it's an old save file that you didn't just start during this thread
>Zelda 1 didn't need to establish context
but it does. it has an entire text intro to briefly explain the world to you
it wasn't obvious already?
>it has an entire text intro
I didn't know the text intro was forced on the player and made unskippable. Was this a later revision of the game? Cause I can skip it in my version of the game.hmmmmm
>I don't want 70 minute cutscenes, but you implied I did
Then you should've disavowed the people who did want 70 minute cutscenes. While you're at it, you should've disavowed the people who called me a troony. You want to act like you care about discussion by complaining about strawmen and fallacies, and yet you turn a blind eye to people calling me a snoy troony and a homosexual. I wonder why you refused to denounce any of their posts.
It's almost as if you don't care about bad faith arguments as long as they're on your side.
>I can skip
nope. like you said it multiple times it doesn't count. if it exists it's a movie
>my version of the game
post it
>all of the context is behind the manual
>if it exists it's a movie
You forgot an important bit of context.
>if it exists, and somehow removing it ruins the game completely and utterly, then it's a movie
I would gladly remove it because it's not important to me, hence it's not a movie. But thank you for attempting and failing to nitpick my argument.
>changing his definition when pressed
lol
>can't post his version because he never played it
lmao
Nope, I don't see the unskippable cutscene.
see
>literally the first frame
Kek, more proof you have never played a Zelda game.
>Then you should've disavowed the people who did want 70 minute cutscenes
No thanks I am free to do as I please. You can disavow them if you want. I don't care. It's a free world.
>While you're at it, you should've disavowed the people who called me a troony
That's your job. I'm busy disavowing you for wanton use disingenuous debate tactics.
>You want to act like you care about discussion, by complaining about strawmen and fallacies, and yet you turn a blind eye to people calling me a snoy troony and a homosexual
I am not using either fallacies nor ad hominems. You should abstain from them as well, as they are disingenuous. Remember two wrongs don't make a right.
>It's almost as if you don't care about bad faith arguments as long as they're on your side.
None of those people are arguing with me. But you are, and you are using bad faith arguments against me. Be the change you wish to see in the world. -Ghandi
>No thanks I am free to do as I please.
Then you're arguing in bad faith.
>That's your job.
No no, you were the one who deified himself as the king of good faith discussions. You attacked me for wanting a skip cutscene button, but gave a pass to everyone calling people trannies. Inconsistent standards.
>None of those people are arguing with me
Yet you're agreeing with them.
>Be the change you wish to see in the world. -Ghandi
Is that an appeal to authority I see? Whatever happened to you complaining about me using fallacies?
>good faith discussions
You are the first to complain about it ITT when you lost about ALTTP
>You are the first to complain about it ITT
Actually, you were the one calling people trannies before I even got into the thread.
I expect you to apologize for these posts.
>Then you're arguing in bad faith.
I feel that people are allowed to have different opinions on their preferred media. If that is bad faith for you your faith is disingenuous
>No no, you were the one who deified himself as the king of good faith discussions. You attacked me for wanting a skip cutscene button
I did no such thing
>but gave a pass to everyone calling people trannie
It's just a common vanilla insult on Ganker. I wouldn't take it personal.
>Is that an appeal to authority I see?
No because Ghandi isn't an authority figure on video game media. It's a good quote to live life by. Try it.
>I feel that people are allowed to have different opinions on their preferred media.
Calling someone a troony and telling them to kill themselves is not what comes to mind when I think "having a different opinion".
>I did no such thing
Then why are you angry at me? My first post ITT was literally talking about how I wished the game let me skip the boring intro. Why did everyone jump on me for that?
>It's just a common vanilla insult on Ganker.
And yet you took grave offense at someone criticizing a video game, something common on Ganker as well.
>No because Ghandi isn't an authority figure on video game media.
Who says it needs to be relevant to be an appeal to authority? All that matters is that you're deflecting from the argument by appealing to someone popular.
>Calling someone a troony and telling them to kill themselves is not what comes to mind when I think "having a different opinion".
I apologize if I did that to you but I don't think I did.
>Then why are you angry at me?
I'm not angry at you. At the most I pointed out your use of disingenuous debate tactics and gave you opportunities to rephrase your argument
>And yet you took grave offense at someone criticizing a video game,
I did not do that either.
>Who says it needs to be relevant to be an appeal to authority?
You can just ignore that someone else came up with that quote. It's good advice regardless and I didn't use that quote to win an argument so it's not really a debate fallacy. Unless of course your stance is you are allowed to be disingenuous to me while I have not been disingenuous to you, because someone other than me was disingenuous to you. Then it was an appeal to authority. But I hope you don't think in such a disingenuous way.
>I apologize if I did that to you but I don't think I did.
You can understand why I'd noticeably perturbed at someone crying about mw supposedly arguing in bad faith, when buzzwords like "troony" are thrown about like they were drops of rain in a storm.
>You can just ignore that someone else came up with that quote.
Okay, in that case I'm being the change I want to see by refusing to blindly worship corporations. I refuse to worship cutscenes as if they're important to any game. I refuse to bend the knee to popular opinion. Most of all, I'm steering clear of buzzwords and insults. You'll notice that, through this entire thread, I have never once called anyone a troony or a homosexual or a tendie, and I've avoided any kind of console war slurs. I am actively being the change that I want to see.
>You can understand why I'd noticeably perturbed at someone crying about mw supposedly arguing in bad faith, when buzzwords like "troony" are thrown about like they were drops of rain in a storm.
I don't understand because from my perspective both you and them are being disingenuous while only I have not. It's hypocritical to expect change from them while not changing yourself. That's why I quoted Ghandi.
>Okay, in that case I'm being the change I want to see by refusing to blindly worship corporations
Non sequitur response.
>I am actively being the change that I want to see.
Well done. Next I suggest avoiding disingenuous debate tactics like logical fallacies.
>No, sorry, my post was fact.
It was an opinion actually
>I want
Hence opinion.
>Besides, if it was a strawmen, you'd be able to eloquently explain why, instead of saying "that's a strawman because... .it just is!". Go on, show that you can deconstruct the argument.
That's a strawman because in a strawman you refute an argument different from the one under discussion. I don't want 70 minute cutscenes, but you implied I did and used that as your argument. Therefore it is a strawman fallacy.
You'll have to rethink your response.
>If they're not servicing the gameplay, they do not deserve to exist.
Then Dwarf Fortress doesn't deserve to exist. You can have it both ways ACgay, either choose relatives or choose absolutes.
I would gladly play Dwarf Fortress even if the graphics were made worse. Even if they were the most barebones thing you can imagine. I stand by my statement.
If you would not throw every single facet of non-essential non-gameplay into the fire, then you hate vidya.
You hate more vidya than we do
Nobody said anything about "better" or "worse" graphics and it's amazing to me that you keep missing the point this hard.
No you don't, you didn't even play ALTTP
wow is all you do in that game jump on blocks, nothing else? nothing else at all? this isn't just reductivism?
>It is hypocritical to complain about snoy movies, when even they won't break guiness world records for having the longest cutscenes in the medium
Ah I see your confusion, you think people don't like those games because of cutscenes. That's why you don't like them, but for most of rhe rest of us we don't like them for more logical reasons and it has little to do with dialog and cutscenes.
ACgay is a man that got made fun of one too many times, so he tries to argue against Ganker using what he thinks is their own logic, so if you go against him, you're automatically a hypocrite. Ironically, that leads to us arguing against him using his own logic, but thankfully, we don't actually believe any of the shit he spouts.
Is this a different timeline? I don’t remember Botw winning goty in 2017
>I've been immersed in many games, but that requires interaction.
It also requires graphics and sound, two things you claim to be against.
Goyme of the Year Awards are just a type of advertisement.
Tell me, ACgay, are you looking forward to games being made entirely by AI?
I feel like a fricking fool for thinking they would expand BOTW. I just wanted
>Fishing, yielding better fish
>Houses on the road, ffs it's been 6-10 years in that world and lon lon is still busted up
>Guardian replacement
>3 new weapon types for monsters and link
>8+ new overworld bosses, we got 3
>20 new shitter enemies for variety, like Tektites, Skulltullas or Deku scrubs and Babas
>1-3 new lynel enemies, Darknut & Iron Knuckle
>8 Dungeons, Ganons castle being a 15 minute shitty cave is terrible
>New moves for link during flurry rush, could've added attacks via the A B and X button, also could've made flurry faster.
>Dungeon items that just don't have one use and are versatile
>New towns and actual designed characters
>A tightly knit story like BOTW, one that wasn't moronic like TOTKs
>Real non ghost companions
>etc etc
Instead, I didn't get an adventure game, I got Minecraft creative mode where you skip all the adventuring by flying around with a vehicle. Barely any changes to the terrain or no attempts to rebuild areas in BOTW to make the game standout. We get an entire new overworld that has 1 boss unique to it and nothing to do for miles, enjoy the MMO grindy slop down there. Caves will forever be better than the depths. The sky is pointless, should've had the zonai live up there, holy figures of sorts, now it just feels empty and shallow, unlike botw, which showed us the sheikah to the present day and the whole game was about, including the guardians. The zonai bots are so meaningless and barely tied into anything, it feels like a shallow remix of botws story. We get 1 new move and that's it, all the fuse effects are effects from botw and most of them look visually ugly. The bosses pull from the worst spectacle fights in the series, when they should be copying the 2d games and Bongo Bongo, no wonder people like Queen Gibdo and Ganon. There's just too much to say about how much of a nothing zelda this was. I refuse to believe they tested this for a year.
cont.
They could have made the world feel new with their catch all excuse of the "Upheaval".
>Rito have expanded their home to the sky with bridges and ladders
>Goron city has collapsed into the depths/caves. New Goron houses are found where the lava has dried on the surface
>Gerudo was actually fine since they added on. Could have had more ravines pop up in the desert however
>Zora could have expanded under the water.
>Lon Lon ranch rebuilt, along with Mabe Village (from Age of Calamity)
>Lookout landing expanded to castle town
>Included houses on the road actually built.
>The upheaval has also cause terrain changes in some areas, revealing new locations like dungeons
The depths are so pointless, they wasted so much time on that MMO grindfest and Lego Zonai shit. There was more than enough with Overworld, Caves and sky that clearly did not get the time it needed to justify the reuse of world. It makes me laugh that this was the big surprise they were so coy about showing off for YEARS, either they knew how underwhelming it was (aonuma said fan excitement was low himself) or Fubiyashi really thought his lego idea was going to be the next big thing (for tik tok)
>Fishing, yielding better fish
This would've been nice yeah
>Houses on the road, ffs it's been 6-10 years in that world and lon lon is still busted up
Some more would've been nice, doesn't really impact enjoyment for me either way though
>Guardian replacement
Gloom Hands is supposed to be this but they're nowhere near as intimidating
Phantom Ganon swinging at you like an arthritic grandma is also a massive letdown
Honestly they should've just kept a few wandering Guardians here and there in the game for the sake of enemy variety
Let players fuse Sheikah weapons/materials with Zonai weapons/materials because why the frick not
>3 new weapon types for monsters and link
I would've rather they just made the existing weapons a bit deeper but that's more related to my issues with combat in the game as a whole
>8+ new overworld bosses, we got 3
Would've been cool but that's a lot of shit to develop and test
>20 new shitter enemies for variety, like Tektites, Skulltullas or Deku scrubs and Babas
See above
>1-3 new lynel enemies, Darknut & Iron Knuckle
This is the most baffling thing to me
Where the frick are Darknuts? Why can't I have cool swordfights with them and take their armor/weapons? Frick's sake
>8 Dungeons, Ganons castle being a 15 minute shitty cave is terrible
Agreed, but I would've rather just improved the existing dungeons instead of having a few decent ones and the rest feeling like test levels
>New moves for link during flurry rush, could've added attacks via the A B and X button, also could've made flurry faster.
Flurry should just be removed entirely honestly, it completely ruins combat
>Dungeon items that just don't have one use and are versatile
They kinda tried this but it feels very underdeveloped, like a lot of things in the game
>New towns and actual designed characters
At least one new town would've been nice
Continued
>A tightly knit story like BOTW, one that wasn't moronic like TOTKs
I wouldn't call BOTW's story "tightly knit", but TOTK's is so fricking awful that I actually found myself getting annoyed by a Zelda story for the first time I can remember
>Real non ghost companions
Yeah, still annoyed by the deceptive editing in that one trailer
>They could have made the world feel new with their catch all excuse of the "Upheaval".
>Rito have expanded their home to the sky with bridges and ladders
I'm still fricking baffled by the complete lack of Rito in the sky
Not even just the occasional Rito flying around up there fighting Constructs or something
It's bizarre, especially when Rito characters will say that they're the best-suited to exploring the sky, but none of them actually do it
>Goron city has collapsed into the depths/caves. New Goron houses are found where the lava has dried on the surface
Eh, I'm fine with Goron City being where it is, but the lack of a Depths town feels like a missed opportunity
>Gerudo was actually fine since they added on. Could have had more ravines pop up in the desert however
Agreed
>Zora could have expanded under the water.
I got really excited when I got to the Underwater Cave and thought it would be an actual mini-dungeon
This game is really good at seeing you up for disappointment lol
>Lon Lon ranch rebuilt, along with Mabe Village (from Age of Calamity)
Agreed
>Lookout landing expanded to castle town
Agreed
>The upheaval has also cause terrain changes in some areas, revealing new locations like dungeons
That would've been cool
I enjoyed my time with TotK overall but it felt like effort was spent on the wrong places. Instead of spending like two years figuring out how to glue bokoblin dildos to swords, the devs should've focused on adding more substantial content and polishing up the game
So this thread proves ACsnoy has never played a Zelda game in its troony life.
Kek
Or Tetris.
It's a more complete game than BotW is, however it's very much a by the numbers sequel. As such BotW is going to have a much larger impression on most people if they played it first.
ain't it great that ACgay loses games that he's okay with playing, but we don't?
ACgay already admitted a while ago that he doesn't genuinely believe what he posts (he's a schizo so this was when he was in a good mood), it's clear that he just bears some weird irrational grudge against modern Zelda games or something, probably because he got BTFO once in 2017 and hasn't recovered since.
Anyone that refers to a namegay or made up Boogeyman needs to be banned indefinitely. You gays are worse than they are. Any mention of Barry, XIVgay, etc. should be a permanent, unappealable ban.
some of the bunch like barry and ACgay are absolutely real tho. barry because he doxxed himslef here and acgay doesn't even try to hide who he is like
Frick off tourist, if you're not familiar with ACgay or Barry just don't post here. Go back to your shithole subreddit.
he just hates Nintendo in general.
He does the same in Metroid, Splatoon and Xenoblade threads.
why are there so many anti nintendo autists
Imagine caring about Goy of The Year
this place has truly fallen
Question for people who played ACgay's alleged Xenoblade save file, was there anything weird about it? Like, could he have used a cheat engine, and there would be something off about it?
The fact that people have to keep making threads to try and act like TotK was a flop shows that it clearly wasn't. No one would be posting about it at all if it weren't a contender for goty. Keep up the reverse psychology bullshit I guess. See you at the game awards.
This, I'm already screenshotting OP's post for the inevitable BTFO'ing in December.
>Ganker cares about Metacritic scores
>Ganker cares about IGN/Jurno reviews
>Ganker cares about eceleb opinions
>>Ganker cares about Goyslop of the Year awards
entire months of this shit, I hope something happens for it to be canned like E3
>Ganker cares what Ganker thinks
That's even worse tbqh
zooms make up the majority now and they worship brands just as much as millennials, get used to it gramps
>Mario jump on blocks
HOLY SOUL KINO GAME OF THE CENTURY
Hey mods, can you extend this thread for longer, ACgay has yet to show evidence