I'm having a hard time picturing terminators being worth the extra baggage outside very niche situations like very narrow space hulks and backup heavy support. Most of the time seems like sacrificing the ability to jump for even more ceramite and slightly bigger weapons is just not worth it.
Am I wrong?
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They can teleport. In practice how you would use them is dropping them in enemy hard points and let them clean up. And for tge most part they are a rare niche unit only brought out when the situation calls for it.
I'm having a hard time picturing bike squads being worth the extra baggage outside very niche situations like very wide open fields and backup fast attack support. Most of the time seems like sacrificing the ability to jump for even more speed and twin-linked bolters is just not worth it.
Am I wrong?
what's stopping you from jumping?
You'd lose your bike and probably not get it back 🙁
That's some sick art work damn
Have the full resolution then.
terminators can't jump? I clearly remember the homosexual from DoW 3 doing front flips in full termie
it's 40k. Why are there even swords in a setting where precision strikes from orbit are possible?
If you're in the same building as the enemy, orbital strikes are suicidal.
They don't need to jump if you drop them directly on top of Xenoscum.
Unless you're Krieg Corps, in which case both the Primary Directive of killing the enemy is achieved and the Secondary Objective of dying for the Emperor is achieved.
Yep, a special niche suit originally designed for close in tunnel fighting (large necromunda or spacehulk tunnels though, the thought of one of them trying to fight on it's hands and knees in a vietnam style tunnel is hillarious)
Players just include them in every battle though because they equate 'Elite' units with 'Win everything', no matter what they are originally designed for.
>Yep, a special niche suit originally designed for close in tunnel fighting
Extreme radiation as well making them doubly useful in spacehulks.
>Yep, a special niche suit originally designed for close in tunnel fighting
its a standard issue mining suit from the dark age of technology
You know I like this lore but I've never seen concrete proof of it. And isn't it more that it was developed from said mining suit? It's not exactly the same.
There's lore snippets from official GW books that state Terminator armor was just a good civilian hazardous environment suit for miners, engineers, nuclear scientists etc. The fact that it was non combat but rivals tanks for durability speaks volumes to the loss that humanity suffered.
Terminator armor isn't just old hazard suits, they built upon the STC for it they found in the Great Crusade and developed it into a more combat-effective battle suit. Terminator armor is an offshoot of the power armor research project the Emperor founded for his Thunder Warriors and which continued all the way to M41, albeit much more slowly after the initial big leaps in the technology that occurred before the Horus Heresy ruined everything.
The lore snippets youre talking about indicate it was the basis for the suit, not that the original suits looked just like termie armor tho. And really at the very least it had to be upscaled for marines. But what my understanding is, is that termie armor was part of the emps power armor project to improve on the thunder warrior armor, and that the admech used the heavy ceramite shielding and other protective tech from the dark age exo armor that allowed people to survive working inside active plasma generators or working on ships in highly radioactive environs, as a basis for the termie armor.
It's not literally printed from the stc of old exo armor.
Humanity in the Age of Tech prioritized big weapons of war like titans, knights, and battleships, and infantry were an almost complete afterthought. There's no evidence to suggest that there was any battle-oriented powered armor in the Age of Tech, at least nothing in widespread usage. Instead, they most likely used Men of Iron as their main infantry force. That's why there are no power armor STCs to be found, by extension. The Emperor certainly wouldn't have had to start power armor research from the drawing board with his Thunder Warriors if he could just stroll over to Mars and grab something to do it for him (this was before Mars got tainted by Chaos and half its knowledge reserves were lost).
It's important to remember that the Age of Tech was not at all a time of unlimited power or progress for humanity. Humanity was young and stupid back then, believed that science ruled over everything, and had no idea that Chaos even existed. They could barely travel across space enough to seed colonies, which were then pretty much totally isolated from the rest of the galaxy. All the ultra-powerful megatech that dates back to such times wasn't stuff you could find recorded in an STC, either. Stuff like teleporting entire planets across the galaxy (Armageddon) is the kind of tech that individual techwizards invented and never passed down the secrets of to anyone. This is a large part of the reason why the Mechanicus calls it the Dark Age, because while yes there was a ton of scientific progress, most of it was run by singular geniuses who never recorded their work in an STC. STCs themselves were only stockpiles of conventional tech that colonists used. The Men of Iron rebelling is quite literally the consequence of mankind ending up resting on its laurels and getting fat and indolent on its own prosperity, relying on their tech to do everything for them and nearly getting exterminated because of it. It was a bad time.
mars was literally always a hellhole filled with rogue AI's, mutants and data vaults set to self defense. data demons and the nyx labyrinth. with a tiny layer of order imposed by the mechanicum in their forge fanes on the very edge of the planet.
Believe it or not, in spite of all that, Mars was still much nicer before the Heresy happened.
Terminator armour is useful for the teleport and when the advantages of higher armour outweight the advantages of better mobility, so boarding actions and the like. If you look at official models and artwork you'll see some first company veterans in tactical armour with terminator honors on the shoulder which means that even though they can wear it they don't have to wear it and don't always do so.
Terminators arent meant to foot slog. You have to get them right up to the enemies' face either via teleporting or riding some assault vehicle like a land raider or something. In any event, their vest strategy is to suddenly appear before some strategic target, hose it with heavy weapons and storm bolter fire, then charge in to pound it to shit with power fists. The armor and transportation method are meant to keep them alive long enough to crush their target, which is supposed to be stratgeically vital target, like a warlord or champion or hardpoint, etc. Theyre a sudden hammer blow and the Astartes typically have the means of deploying them like this.
Either that or they're in a space hulk where the armour is more to protect against the kinds of bullshit and radiation that would pass straight through power armour.
Would you rather:
>be nigh invulnerable even compared to a normal space marine, a veritable walking tank
>be able to jump
Walking tank is a good comparison because tanks also die without infantry support.
Tanks can't jump either, so I guess they're also no good.
you don't need a learned team of techpriests to get you in or out of the tank
>need
They're like old strategic bombers. No one makes them anymore and theres better options out there but they still fill a role that nothing else does.