I'm old enough to remember when, to MANY a gamer, there was ONLY D&D. Full stop. If you ever presented to them any other TTRPG as an alternative, they immediately dismissed it out of hand (often in an over-dramatic fashion - or maybe that was just the buttholes I had to game with). They absolutely, positively refused to play any other TTRPG that wasn't Dungeons & Dragons. Nowadays, in the year of our Lord 2024, that seems to finally be changing, if it hasn't long since already, and I'm too damn slow to have picked up on it. What happened?
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>confused boomer unaware of cultural shifts
Many such cases!
More games exist today and West Coast gamers like story games over tradRPGs.
Ben, you’re not even 30 yet.
>I'm old enough to remember when, to MANY a gamer, there was ONLY D&D. Full stop.
so you're an underage zoomer who's only looked at TTRPGs since 2014?
in the 90's World of Darkness shit was everywhere, you couldn't fricking pretend to not know what vampire the Masquerade was.
Then for part of 4th edition's lifespan the most popular TTRPG in the world was actually Pathfinder, again you literally could not have lived through the edition wars and still claim to only be aware of D&D.
People who talk like Pathfinder ins't D&D are the same people who think Marvel and DC are somehow different.
Vampire was the only time D&D was ever challenged, but TSR was going bankrupt, and WW (pre-Sword and Sorcery) wasn't far behind, with a dozen games that didn't sell and one that did.
>Then for part of 4th edition's lifespan the most popular TTRPG in the world was actually Pathfinder,
Literally the month before D&D: Next dropped.
>I'm old enough to remember when, to MANY a gamer, there was ONLY D&D.
This is still the case
>If you ever presented to them any other TTRPG as an alternative, they immediately dismissed it out of hand
This is still the case
>They absolutely, positively refused to play any other TTRPG that wasn't Dungeons & Dragons.They absolutely, positively refused to play any other TTRPG that wasn't Dungeons & Dragons.
Still happening
>Nowadays, in the year of our Lord 2024, that seems to finally be changing, if it hasn't long since already, and I'm too damn slow to have picked up on it. What happened?
Yep! The DnD killer is just around the corner, haven't heard that one before
>Yep! The DnD killer is just around the corner, haven't heard that one before
Pathfinder.
D&D almost died before 3th edition and got close with 4th edition.
>3th
>thirth edition
moron ESL, probably some poojeet.
>thirth
Kek. It's threeeth you frickin idiot.
>Yep! The DnD killer is just around the corner, haven't heard that one before
Black person TSR went fricking bankrupt and sold the game to Wizards of the Coast. D&D literally died once already, and came close to dying again near the end of 4th edition since Hasbro wanted it to be a $50 million a year property. The reason 5e's PHB is such a mess is because it was made by a skeleton crew, and now even that skeleton crew have all been fired or quit.
D&D didn't come close to dying at the end of 4E, it came close to dying at the end of 3E.
>The reason 5e's PHB is such a mess is because it was made by a skeleton crew
Yeah, THAT's the reason.
>D&D nearly died because.....no one could buy *new* material !
and I nearly died on the toilet trying to pass a turd
When was this? I've been playing since the early 80s, and it wasn't the case then, and the older guys weren't like that either.
Same here. Also been playing since the 80's. Even back then we played
D&D , but also had no problem playing Top Secret, Marvel, Twilight 2000, and Gamma World.
Guy has only played since like 2015 or something, for sure.
Me too. While I started with a girl DM'ing me through AD&D, I ran Moldvay D&D and Paranoia for friends, GM'ed Palladium TMNT and SJG's Toon for my family, and played GURPS, Star Frontiers, etc. Traveller, Tekumel, and BRP were always out there, though I never got into them on a player or GM level, but I did pick up CoC, could never find someone to play or GM it 🙁
Even in the seventies, D&D wasn't the only game out there. Tunnels and Trolls, RuneQuest.
The way you type makes you sound really annoying and if you suggested a game to me I'd say no out of spite
For real, what is it about the way he typed that just makes him come across as such a homosexual?
the hobby really doesn't work beyond dungeon crawling, it's the meat and potatos of the stew. some games try to be just carrots and they tend to be critically panned. some even try to pass themselves off as a good alternative to popular engines, but they turn out to be nothing but sugar.
it's true though, if you're not dungeon delving with some decent mechanics and tools, then you're fricking up. a good game keeps the party centered, with a straightforward goal, while they corroborate stories and roleplay. nothing will ever be as good as plundering loot and leveling up.
Literally never been true.
This.
The US was fragmented by what they played even in the late 70s and early 80s.
D&D was just one of them.
> Never played a tabletop RPG before
> Interested in trying, sounds like fun
> Options are to do one of the following:
> 1.) Spend money on a D&D Players Handbook, spend time learning how to play the game, come up with a character and backstory, buy specific dice, play a game, end up gaining knowledge that I can use to play the game with the bazillion other groups in my area
or
> 2.) Do the exact same thing only now I am stuck playing with the same exact people because no one else in the area plays this weird game which means if I don't like the group I am fricked and have wasted that money but more importantly wasted all of that time
D&D is probably popular because it has existed in some form or another for like 50 years.
>What is Traveller
>What are the scifi systems TSR themselves released
>What is Runequest
0/10 bait
/thread
Lmao. There was a time when D&D was thought as obsolete game, surpassed by other superior and more advanced and mature games, while that only kids played D&D anymore.
What? I may not be an 80s scene grog but during the 90s there was way more diversification in terms of games distribution (at least where i live): VtM, BRP (from CoC, Stormbringer, Runequest to homebrew crossgenres like space+cyberpunk or historical with weird shit), CP2020, MERP and so on... AD&D was just one of many.
Conversely today here is mainly 5e or some other iteration of d&d (3.5e, PF1/2e) and rarely something different from a d20 system game just because there's an old frick like me pushing for diversification (which stands only as long there's an active effort in proposals). It's a fricking barren wasteland compared with the past, new gamers don't give a shit in trying different games unless almost coerced into.
American problem.
In Germany it was always split between TDE, Shadowrun and WoD. Few people played D&D because it was just a worse TDE.
>few people played D&D because it was just a worse TDE.
I commend your nationalism even though it's just plain deluded and even worse german.
In Poland it was either VtM or Warhammer Fantasy RPG. It has a lot with the fact that WotC kept ignoring the Polish market, so both GW and WW swooped in instead.
Well, WotC had standards. GW never had.
Postmodernism and wokism sold the idea that a simple game with good Christian morality was bad and so in order to appear virtuous people rejected tradition.
Nothing else.
>Buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords
I get it, you're big mad because your substitute father figure told you to be. But I was hoping we could stick to reality? K thnx bi
>D&D
>Christian morality
Did you miss the entire time period where Christians considered trpgs to be the spawn of Satan and made entire movies about how dungeons and dragons would drive you crazy and make you have a nice day or are you some moronic underage so high on trad larping that you've forgotten the most notable interaction with Christianity the medium ever had?
you should be executed for making an illegally bad bait post
>playable assassins
>statted divine entities
>etc.
fundies would skin you alive if you brought even so much as a d20 to church.
Try that in a small town
In my country, wanting to run D&D has made others spit on you, just a decade ago. It's only gained traction since zoomboids sole connection to the hobby are streamers and netflix.
DSA mit D&D zu vergleichen ist sinnlos. Und niemand spuckt auf irgendwen der D&D spielt.
Ich spucke auf dich und deine Mutter!
>Few people played D&D because it was just a worse TDE.
True for first edition Das Schwarze Auge only. Abenteuer-Ausbau-Spiel was a mistake.
over 20 years ago the first TTRPG I played was Shadowrun. And even though I was a kid and didn't grasp the scope and concept of the industry I knew there were many different games back then. And people who played it. So you either:
>live in a village under a rock
>are 60 years old and just discovered Ganker
>are lying to stoke some pointless discussion about D&D bad others good
I do not get this board. Never in my life did me and my friends run into the problems /tg/ has with D&D. And even if one of us complained about aspects of it they quickly saw that each TTRPG has its fair share of problems.
>Never in my life did me and my friends run into the problems /tg/ has with D&D
That's because most of this board never play, they're just bitter reactionaries and contrarians whose only joy in life is being unrelentingly bitter about subjects others like, out of a perverse spite. It's so bad that people try to shut down discussion of RPGs on a traditional games board for fricks sake.
This.
And the same attitude is pervasive on Ganker as well, although they actually play vidya games but never with anybody else.
In my region in Brazil D&D was barely played, the major RPGs were WoD, GURPS, Tormenta and 3D&T.
I would guess it is probably a lot more popular now with zoomers, streaming and what not pushing the same thing to everyone, but I wouldn't know because I have only being playing with this same group for years now.
3D&T is by far the best RPG I have ever played.
D&D is a mess (and even the third party better versions like Tormenta and Pathfinder still lack something), WoD is edgy crap full of unused wasted lore and really overcomplicated dice pools. GURPS is fun, tho.
In 79 or so among my colleagues a lot were playing Traveller. Later on, throughout the 80s, as many were playing other games as DnD. TSR Marvel, Star Frontiers, Palladium, Paranoia, Robotech, West End Star Wars, TMNT, Teenagers from Outer Space, Talislanta, Thieves' World. Yeah DnD was most popular but I had no problem finding other games. It's much harder now than it was then, at least where I live.
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Oh! and Toon, and Call of Cthulhu.
So you started playing in late 2023 or something?
What are you talking about, the blithering fricking homosexuals on this board for a while now immediately start losing their absolute diarrhea if you mention an interest in D&D and in the process start promoting some other slop on the premise of "NOOO, LE D&D IS A BAD SYSTEM!! IT'S NOT A TRUE RPPPGGG!!"
>I am a zoomer homosexual spamming a hobby board
Here, your entire post in a single line
>If you ever presented to them any other TTRPG as an alternative, they immediately dismissed it out of hand (often in an over-dramatic fashion - or maybe that was just the buttholes I had to game with). They absolutely, positively refused to play any other TTRPG that wasn't Dungeons & Dragons.
This is still true
Only now I refuse to play anything that isn't AD&D
>Full stop
Probably because WotC is hitting choppy waters and can't keep up the propaganda.
Do you also remember when everyone clapped? homosexual.
I've found it to be the opposite, at least in my area. Basically anyone who had gamed in more than a handful of D&D campaigns was itching to try something else. This was the 90s/00s so brand loyalty wasn't quite as cemented yet. You would occasionally encounter the diehard D&D fanatic but those people were weird even amongst the pen and paper crowd. Everyone else had long since branched out into different games, like Shadowrun, Battletech, Vampires and the various Warhammer/Middle Earth RPGs.
Nowadays everyone that I meet just wants to play D&D on autopilot.
more like Garigay
In my scant few decades on this earth, my experience with the RPG community at large is that there's always at least one guy who is overwhelmingly hooked on some non-D&D system. Could be a GURPS guy. Could be your weird hipster goth friend who loves WoD games. Maybe the giga-autist wants to share his Palladium book collection with you. There's a chance that one of your older gamer friends got his start with TMNT and Other Strangeness and never owned a D&D book.
What I'm saying is... you're not just a homosexual OP, but you're also wrong.
Mediocre unity is better than any sort of fracture
This always waters down the potential of a creative endeavour, there is another way.
If you want other people to play your game you have to champion it and run sessions with all the bits you need ready to go. There are many great games out there but you can't just wish people into playing.
>try to play another game
>5e fans see this while watching jocat videos
>they lynch me on the spot for not playing 5e
It's not changing. That's still the case
This thread needs to die.
OP is a giant homosexual, but also a liar who has no idea what he's talking about. Within the first year of D&D being published, there were a dozen alternative RPGs, and it only grew from there.
Gygax spent far more time in the early years of D&D in court trying to get a patent for the game and to stop competitors than he did writing or designing. It was also originally a pretty inaccessible game, thanks to needing dice that were extremely scarce in America at the time (so scarce that they had to print a paper "chit" system for people who couldn't find the dice) and it's for that reason that games like Tunnels and Trolls (Basically D&D, but 3d6) became popular.
Stop bumping this thread already.