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I'm thinking of buying this game cheap as chips on gog but I heard Owlcat games are poorly designed slavjank.
It's fun. How cheap is it on sale? I'd say it's a no-brainer if it's on sale for $20 or less. If you like isometric party-based RPGs, you'll have fun. Play on turn-based mode if you're White.
You can play this game turn-based? I started playing it like 4 times, but after DOS1 and 2 I can't be arsed with the randomness of real turn .
Yeah, but the turn based mode is really bad and lazily implemented. Its actually a third party mod the devs just retroactively included.
Yup, it’s fun and works fine. Other anon was partly correct, it was a mod that was eventually included into kingmaker but wotr was designed with it from the beginning. You can freely toggle back and forth from turn based to RTWP if you want to use it for say a random trash encounter. I played the whole game with it on and it was fine although certain battles take many turns (notably the tavern defense in act 1)
The Pathfinder games are fun if you like build autism.
Also consider how dumb the average Steam user is and compound that by how dumb a person would be to actually waste their time leaving a Steam review and further compound that by the type of person who uses those reviews to inform themselves about whether they will personally like a game.
>Also consider how dumb the average Steam user is
Anon, even KotC2 is catching up with WotR and its ahead of Kingmaker already.
Good for Pierre. I'll still never listen to Steam reviews.
>KotC2 is catching up with WotR and its ahead of Kingmaker already.
>KotC
87%, "very positive"
>KotC2
72%, "mostly positive"
>Kingmaker
77%, "mostly positive"
>WotR
83%, "very positive"
Are you the schizo that's lied about Kingmaker's steam scores like a half-dozen times by now? Who gives a shit about steam scores, but more importantly, why lie about an objective fact that anyone can verify for themselves in five seconds of looking?
don't get him started again, anon
An average stream user didn't play neither so your rant is irrelevant
Ps
lol u mad
>didn't play neither
I accept your concession.
>I accept your concession.
Its shit, don't buy it unless you have NOTHING else to play, and I know you don't. Just look at the average owlcat thread, those games turn your brain to mush. All that money goes straight to Russia to.
>All that money goes straight to Russia to
based
That's BA Z ED
Sold.
>All that money goes straight to Russia to.
Not true, they moved to Cyprus to get away from the russian govt.
Does it still have that telemetry shit where they gather data, in the gog version?
please, anon, ignore his fuzzy math and cherry picking. just leave it alone.
>Anon, kingmaker is at a humble 68% mixed right now. How is that lying?
I genuinely cannot tell if you are stupid, or you are a liar pretending to be stupid.
he's fricking with you, anon. stop. now.
Can't stop. I'm gonna... I'm gonna... I'M GONNA CROOOOOOOOOOOSADE against lying Black folk on this board
"Slavjank" is you and your mother, poorgay.
0/10 bait.
Why would the rating get lower over time? Its almost like these games are sold on undelivered promises.
>Why would the rating get lower over time?
If a game is still in development, it can be a response to unpopular changes, patches, or expansions. However, Kingmaker has been done for years. And it was incredibly buggy and unfinished at launch, so logically one would expect the early reviews to be savage, and gradually improve as the game is patched and updated.
When a game is out of development and receives worse-than-usual reviews, that’s generally a sign of generalized player anger at the developer due to other games. I think that is likely the case in this situation. Owlcat does what Owlcat does and pushed out Rogue Trader in a buggy and unfinished state, and players are expressing their anger at that by leaving bad reviews on a different game. In fact, I’m 99% certain that’s where your vendetta comes from, because you’re a moron who bashes “Owlcucks” for buying unfinished slop but then you bought rogue trader at launch like a complete moron. And you think if you drop the anime avatargayging we don’t know who you are. Congratulations, you’re ever dumber than “owlcattle”
Another good recent example of this was Imperator: Rome. Got absolutely savaged at launch by fans pissed at Paradox’s terrible “milk em dry forever” business model, largely due to EU4.
>When a game is out of development and receives worse-than-usual reviews, that’s generally a sign of generalized player anger at the developer due to other games.
Their other games are rated higher. Owlcat games get higher reviews at release because they promise the world and the first act is somewhat functional, so people rush out and leave a review in the first hour. Once the advertising has faded away that doesn't happen any more. Either way, the current rating is the "true" rating, and a game that has recieved mixed reviews for months, well before rogue trader released, probably has some serious issues.
>Owlcat games get higher reviews at release because they promise the world and the first act is somewhat functional, so people rush out and leave a review in the first hour.
Nonsense, and glancing at the graph for two seconds disproves this. Kingmaker was notorious for being a buggy and unfinished game, nearly completely unplayable at launch. Look at that giant spike of negative reviews when the game came out, helpfully circled in red and enlarged to show texture.
Game has, in total, 25,314 reviews, of which 77% are positive ("Mostly Positive") In that launch review spike, from release through November 2018, we have 3,885 reviews, of which 72% are positive (still mostly positive). This period saw 15% of the lifetime reviews, but saw 19% of the negative reviews, so worse than average.
Game received its final patch in late May 2021. In the interval from Nov 18 through May 21, during which the game was in active development, we have 13,077 reviews, with 81% positive (mostly positive). This period received its highest approval, with 52% of lifetime reviews, and 43% of lifetime negative reviews, so better than average.
In its mature phase, after development and before Rogue Trader released, in December 23, the game received 7,919 reviews, with 75% positive. 31% of the lifetime reviews were in this period, and 34% of the lifetime negative reviews. This is close to average, but slightly worse.
RT launched in early December 23. From then until now, the game has received 533 reviews, of which 68% are positive - this is the only interval in which the overall score drops to "mixed". This period represents 2% of the lifetime reviews, but 3% of the lifetime negative reviews.
See that tiny little red circle at the tail end of the review graph? That's what you're hinging as the "TRVE SCORE". You have sour grapes because you're a moron who bought a game at launch from a developer with a 100% track record of releasing buggy unpolished shit.
If you look at the chart you posted it shows the mixed ratings began in Jan 2022 and never let up, so your hypothesis is factually wrong. Owlcat games are just bad and they get sales by spending half their budget on advertising and aggressively lying. Like the chart clearly suggests shit eaters pile in on release days, thats clear as day there.
Incorrect.
Yeah, I'm looking right at it and the positive reviews are plummeting while the negative reviews are unchanged from the year prior.
The 3047 reviews are Mostly Positive. Says it right there at the bottom of the pic, so your statement that it's stayed Mixed since Jan '22 is incorrect. Please get your facts straight.
It sounds like you can't accept the fact that nearly half of the reviews for over 2 years have been people dissapointed with the product. I wonder how many of those were people who fell for dumb shilling from the militant generals on Ganker.
I accept your concession to leave facts behind and move into fantasy. You should consider making a Youtube documentary about your totally rational theories, Farquaad.
I see that your cognitive dissonance has driven you to such a rage that you're resorting to fabricated strawmen.
Yes, yes. We know the drill: projection, "no u", and samegayging. Please, continue, but in longform if you please, and with more graphs.
I didn't post any graphs. That's the other moron.
I know that's not you. I'm saying get to it, boy.
>the fact that nearly half of the reviews for over 2 years have been people dissapointed with the product.
In the last two years, from the start of March '22 to now, 73% of the reviews were positive, so barely a quarter were negative. Roughly 3 people liked the game for each person who didn't.
Honestly bro just frickin' say "I don't like Kingmaker and I thought it was a shitty game and I think Owlcat is a shit developer" and move on with your life. But please, stop lying. No one likes or respects a dishonest person. You always come into these threads and make blatantly false statements (on objective matters, not subjective matters) and get BTFO and proven wrong and then you'll be back tomorrow after probably having a spergout where you quadruple samegay out of embarrassment. Take the L.
>73% positive reviews is tottaly a sign of a good game bro
LMAO
I even farted laughing a bit
>sob-sob the ebil gamers are not being fair to my favorite company
LOL THE COPE
this is tasty
Are you moronic? I'm pointing out how Owlcat has a 100% track record of releasing extremely buggy and unfinished games, which causes them to get shitloads of bad reviews from players who are unhappy with the quality of the game at launch. I'm not defending them in the slightest. I was pointing out how illogical that anon's arguments were, and how he was making blatantly false claims that the facts contradict with two seconds of examination.
>and players are expressing their anger at that by leaving bad reviews on a different game.
brah
you even literally used the word "vendetta"
there is no need for conspiracy theories
PKM is no longer the only PF videogame to play, so there is no more PF-fanbois-induced mob mentality gaslighting new players into believing it is the best crpg evar, hence later reviews more closely represent what people truly think of the game
the same will happen to RT scores once OC releases another more polished 40K crpg
screencap this
Yeah, it's one ass-blasted and thoroughly dishonest anon with a stick up his ass. There's been like a half-dozen different threads where he claims "KINGMAKER'S [tiny subset of recent] REVIEWS HAVE SLIPPED DOWN TO MIXED". Look at
picrel, look at that tiny red circle on the far right end of the tail, and that's what he's describing. He gets proven wrong every time, refuses to admit it, and then comes back the next day pretending that he doesn't remember the last time, repeating the same false claim, like something straight out of Mein Kampf.
His reasoning is completely fricking backwards, he's pretending that everyone loved the game at launch
Like the chart clearly suggests shit eaters pile in on release days, thats clear as day there.
and only now, years after it's stopped receiving patches or updates, people are realizing that it's bad. Look at the frickin' graph at the giant spike of shitty negative reviews people everyone hated that they shoved out a broken and unfinished game at release, and then once it was patched up, people liked it. The only time period in which it drops down to "mixed" is after RT released.
>If you look at the chart you posted it shows the mixed ratings began in Jan 2022
False.
>the fact that nearly half of the reviews for over 2 years have been people dissapointed with the product
False.
Like I said, it's fine to think Owlcat makes shitty games that you don't like, just don't fricking lie about it like a gaslighting Shekelstein.
that's one mess of a post
you aren't making sense, seems like can't even green text properly
sorry bruh
didn't read
>I read enough of your post to notice that you dropped a single greater-than symbol on one line, but I'm going to pretend that I didn't read it to make you mad
Yeah i tried, but it's a mess
i can't believe this dude is still tilted at owlcat's pf garbage. that's a long ass grudge, but i guess that's to be expected from barely human 3e autists.
excellent rtwp, one of the few left after tr00ns and their autism-driven "just can't handle rt" took over the market for now
>tr00ns and their autism-driven "just can't handle rt" took over
explain pillars of eternity, those games are pretty gay and they have the most advanced rtwp combat ever made
I was told by an anon to wait for the final update of wotr. Is it done now is the game playable?
there's still one dlc left
>I was told by an anon to wait for the final update of wotr. Is it done now is the game playable?
The game has been playable since about six months after release (it was extremely rough at launch). As anon said, it's almost done, with one last DLC to go. If you care about the DLC (I haven't played any of them), you'll likely get a better value by waiting a little longer for a complete edition to come out, and snag it on sale.
For 12 bucks, it's very worth it. It's a lot of fun and has a lot of replay value.
The DLC is universally and uncontroversially mediocre to shit, minus maybe one, so you can stick with the enhanced edition.
Some characters are annoying, but you have enough decent companions that you don't need to bring anyone you don't like along.
There's a lot of annoying bugs and misinterpretations that will never be patched, so bring mods if that bothers you.
lol, this loweffort "trolling". people talk about bg3 and larian making people unhinged, but the pf games and owlcat have them beat quite handily.
>Owlcat games are poorly designed slavjank
Pretty much. Currently midway on my first playthrough of KM and some of the twists and plot points can get pretty confusing or outright stupid because the npcs either don't appear when they're supposed to or the devs didn't find a clearer way to communicate to the player that something important is happening like Belavarah not showing up when in dialogue with her and the part where Tristian shows up to steal the eye from Vordakai. But the builds are pretty fun though.
Every time I want to buy it, I get confused by all of the different versions and I don't bother.
all DLC are a waste of money, just get the base game on sale
>The Treasure of the Midnight Isles
Never finished the campaign integration since it made no sense storywise to waste time on it while I had to fight a demonic invasion also far too risky since you're told that time can pass quicker in the abyss.Also makes no sense and breaks the narrative since it's possible to enter the abyss before you do it in the MQ.
>Through the Ashes
Was decent and I finished it
>Inevitable Excess
Only tried it for 30 minutes so that I could test some max level builds.Never finished it.
>The Last Sarkorians
Didn't like it and stopped it halfway through.Only have it installed since it adds new spells.The OP items it adds also felt distasteful and like cheating.No plans on ever finishing it.
>The Lord of Nothing
Disappointing since it removed everything that made part 1 unique.Finished it but I have no interest in doing it again.
All this hate against Owlcat on a board where jrpg circlejerks and bethesda praise is just all too common...
They release buggy unplayable games...skip forward half a year worth of patches and they have fun crpgs.
Or I'm just too much into build autism.
>Or I'm just too much into build autism.
It's this. Most people aren't and are basically satisfied with BIG GREEN NUMBER = GUD.
was this before or after the spyware debacle? i imagine they got review bombed after that
I only got time to play one Owlcat game. Should I play Rogue Trader or Pathfinder WotR? I've heard RT companions are pretty bad.
RT has some awesome Warhammer fluff but the universe is too diverse to have enough companions so you could exclude the ones mechanically good but overall annoying.
It also does not help that unlike Pathfinder some companions come with base modifiers that you cannot replicate with "mercenaries" (Navigator, Tech Priest, Space Marine, Eldar) and if you like the mechanics you are also stuck with the personality.
It's class and combat system is also really weird.
For me the WH fluff more than makes up for it but otherwise it is not a good starter in the Owlcat "style"... also it's too fresh to be properly patched out.
>has a higher userscore
>the users in question
It's fine if you dislike PF:KM, however, publicly announcing this runs the risk of you being lumped in with these brainlets.
Kind of embarrassing, no?
The low IQ, BG3 playing mouthbreather fears the Pathfinder.
skipped 4
Larian developed RPGs and their consequences have been a disaster for CRPGs.
I'm gonna stop now before this gets even more autistic, but you get my point.
Kingmaker is garbage though. WotR is much better
Nah, PF:KM is the better game anon.
How so?
Well, I haven't played WotR, but I hear PF:KM is less gay.
As another anon in another thread put it
>wotr has higher highs and lower lows
It all boils down to whether you played Kingmaker first and if you liked it. If both times the answer is yes then there's a good chance you prefer KM and consider it the better game due to consistency. Wotr added a lot of qol changes to the gameplay but if someone already enjoyed KM then it's probably not enough to make him prefer wotr. More build options are good and everyone likes mythic paths but they are more half assed than the kingdom management system. The crusade system is straight up worse. Also, a lot of people (myself included) appreciated the time restrictions because it made it feel like your every choice had consequences. Never has an rpg made me stress that much and that's good, even the smallest trek is a choice that affects your kingdom. Writing is better in KM due to the aforementioned consistency while wotr has some great moments mixed with some really awful shit. Same goes for the companions. KM's are consistently good. Wotr's are a mixed bag of great ones and terrible ones.
KM also has better dlc.
>Varnhold's Lot > the spin off duo
Through the ashes was very interesting but the sequel was abysmal.
>Tiefling twins > Ulbrig
I like Ulbrig but the sisters were better characters and while they were lacking in content I'll take theirs over Ulbrig's boring long adventures.
>Tenebrous Depths > Treasure of the Midnight Isles
I don't like either but people try builds with those. TB is slightly better for me on account of being significantly shorter.
>Inevitable Excess
I like IE somewhat. Not because of the adventure which I found tedious but because it allows you to make a max level character on the spot and I spend a lot of time making different characters and testing builds there.
Also, here's a personal pet peeve, I absolutely hate wotr's map, the paths make no sense and the reasons why you can't go everywhere right from the start are even more arbitrary than KM's.
Did you really poop your pants and post a bunch of strawmen because someone made fun of your slavic snake oil dealer
>and post a bunch of strawmen
Yeah, I don't think you know what a strawman is anon, nice try though.
You literally cherry picked reviews and went "this is my opponent"
You're more than free to go look at the reviews yourself. Negative reviews pertaining to difficulty and mechanics being too complex go all the way back to release, and they persist to this day.
There's plenty of valid criticism to level at PF:KM, but
>yeah it's like too difficult and I'm too dumb to figure shit out
accounts for not an inconsequential number of negative reviews. They might not be a majority, but it's quite a common complaint.
So yeah, not a strawman.
>So yeah, not a strawman.
Anon, here are the actual issues with pathfinder.
>It's not an accurate representation of the ruleset. Many key (and fun) mechanics were gutted to accommodate rtwp, and since turn based does not add these mechanics back it makes the game even more broken and braindead instead
>The games are 99.999999999999999% combat and there isn't a single good or memorable encounter in either game. I played on unfair and every encounter past act 2 is resolved by casting haste and steam rolling everything. there are 8 acts.
>towns are empty and generally have 2 npcs that give fetch quests and no one else you can interact with
>"builds" are actually an extremely dumbed down vertical slices of paizo classes/feats, and they exist to make extremely dumb people that don't truly understand systems feel smart
>there are no meaningful interactions with the world. the game is designed like a badly written cyoa book instead, except there's only like 3 choices and they all lead back to the same content.
>the itemization is geared towards numbers go up autism, even though this is already an enormous problem in pf1e and campaigns are usually designed to prevent it, not enable it
Okay? And? I never said PF:KM was a perfect game, some other anons said user score matters and I then posted some of those reviews.
You'll agree that most of them don't mention most of the points you've made, and while the system might be dumbed down in comparison to TT, apparently that's not dumb enough for some people.
How often are these particular points brought up in Steam reviews?
Should I go make a negative review and put those points in it?
So you haven't even left a review yet? Absolutely you should do so, that would reinforce the point that Steam reviews are awful in general and accurate in extremely rare circumstances, and often the most intelligent people don't leave one at all. A little advice, just because you are in agreement with some people about generalities, doesn't mean you are in good company about specifics. Don't hide behind morons.
You cried about bg3 and then listed a random grab bag of reviews, most of which are valid complaints. I don't even see whats wrong with half of these.
I know you don't, that's the problem.
It just seems weird that you can't even cherry pick 4 bad reviews. Like I can do some light e-stalking and click on the users that have rated owlcat games positively and I'll generally find those who claim its a "deep RPG experience" have skyrim and new vegas among their favorites and little else. Calling a super shitty game "deep" is just a convenient throwaway excuse to hide in a hug box and never expand outwards. But of course it would be dishonest to present owlcat fans like this even if its overwhelmingly true, right?
sounds like cherry picking and selection bias with a helping of paranoia and a superiority complex. the crowd is good when on your side and bad when not, right?
Those cherry picked reviews were from the last 3 months, and I've been laughing at reviews with the same exact complaints since I played the game back in 2019.
>Calling a super shitty game "deep" is just a convenient throwaway excuse to hide in a hug box and never expand outwards
You're out of your element here buddy.
>I don't even see whats wrong with half of these.
nice, 50% of negative reviews can be ignored.
As a CRPG it´s superior to BG3. The plot is better, there are far more classes, races, combinations, spells and skills. It also feels more epic even though it lacks the budget to make everything look pretty.
Choices wise i would say it lacks the versatility to approach problem solving BG3 demonstrates but there are enough options and you can see those choices affect the world.
>2 people disagreed with me
>he must be samegayging
LMAO
>10 minutes without reply
>2 replies within exactly 1 minute of eachother, literally straight off the post cooldown
>ITS TWO PEOPLE I SWEAR
lol, i love how you constantly accuse others of samegayging because you do it. glorious projection.
The bugs and horrific balance are bigger problems than the design and writing.
The worst part is that Owlcat isn't getting better at making games from a technical perspective.
Camellia.
I want Cam cam wearing that amulet of hers and not much else...
I think it's a bit too late to force owlshit here. Stay on /crpgg/. You guys already completely ruined that place and now it's just people posting tumblr fan art of their resetera approved "waifus".
You'll find a lot of mental illness and whining comes from that general. They've ruined it for themselves and don't want to be there, so they come here and paradoxically ruin this place with the same behavior. They spread like a disease.
>You guys
Waifugays (especially Camtards) aren't "you guys" I hate them too
rude, we talk about the game too if someone asks something
/vg/ needs to be deleted and the jannies/mods responsible for what it is today should be permanently banned from Ganker. And yeah owlcat is shit.
>Stay on /crpgg/
i didn't even know that was a thing because i don't go to /vg/. wotr was fun.
>i didn't even know that was a thing
Looks like you have a new home then, cya
Cry more b***h.
nah, i'm good. thanks for your concern.
Yeah because you're a big fat liar and came from there.
Don't shill your bullshit here.
Wait, so the same people who complain about anons being obsessed with shitting on BG3 are obsessed with shitting on the PF games? LMAO
>Wait, so the same people who complain about anons being obsessed with shitting on BG3 are obsessed with shitting on the PF games? LMAO
Imo it’s probably the other way around. Lots of the anons who shill bg3 shit on pathfinder and I’d wager that many of the anons who had fun playing pathfinder probably think bg3 is shit.
It’s the same with fans of bg1 and 2 vs bg3.
You have it backwards, if you archive search /vg/ you'll find tens of thousands of "baldy's gape" posts and other such variations amidst the wierd owlcat zealotry, so it has become like a rotting tumor where the 5 people still posting there feed into each other's delusions until the pus spills over into other boards. Like look at the weird 30 hour old Ganker generals that are unnaturally up for 10x longer than any other thread on the board. It's like a weird obsession. They just set up camp in other places and shit up discussion that is not owlcat. I would kill this whole group with fire.
No, it seems like two groups of the same kind to me. Potentially the same posters, probably Codex refugees.
I definitely would not recommend any owlcat game. And the turn-based is definitely broken and it DEFINITELY trivializes the game. I can absolutely guarantee you that anyone recommending to use that mode is completely wrong and moronic. If you want turn based pathfinder go play Dawnsbury Days or something. This is a popamole numbers go up simulator, zero tactics required, does not benefit at all from turn-based. Honestly, $12 is not cheap enough for these games, and about midway through you will get this terribly depressing feeling that you have been robbed and that theres another 40 hours of doing the same exact thing over and over.
Oh an heres my playtime in case someone says I'm lying. Just an awful terrible company. Rogue Trader was a huge rip off too.
I think we get it by now after your 50+ posts in this thread, anon. You can let it go.
That is my first post in this thread.
Then you have a very similar opinion to this guy
Same Codex discord?
Several people played the game here when it was posted on release.
>here
But you are a Codex user right? You already outed yourself.
No, I do not use Codex. There is nothing interesting for me to discuss there and hasnt been for about a decade. I feel that place has entered a stage of decay. You seem desperate and are shitposting now.
>No, I do not use Codex.
>popamole
Busted.
popamole has been in use longer than you have been alive
>popamole has been in use longer than you have been alive
NTA but I have never heard of this term before now and searching for it sure seems to bring up a lot of rpg codex hits. Are you thinking of “whack-a-mole”?
Popamole is from nearly 20 years ago. It originated from making fun of gears of war.
>Popamole is from nearly 20 years ago
on RPG Codex, yes. Observe, they lie as they breathe. Death to Codexers!
I specifically said that I have not been on codex in over a decade. You asked if I used codex, which I do not.
>see the Codexer wiggling now
Who uses memes they haven't encountered in over a decade? Nay, you are a liar, everything you say is suspect. Get thee hence!
>he doesn’t use Zero Wing memes in daily conversation with his family and coworkers
NGMI
You having a meltdown over the term would highly suggest you are the codexer. Additionally, Owlcat is a slavic company that makes dunning kruger moron games for massive posers, so naturally rpg codex funded them so heavily they are thanked in the opening of kingmaker, further suggesting you are projecting.
>u mad
>no u
>reddit kruger
>u projecting
That's what I call a win.
lol, I called it, Codex refugees. Popamole was a meme used on the Codex to describe cover shooters over a decade ago and newbie Codexers started using it willy nilly. What's your username, bro?
A lot of people here played it. Like 75% of the steam reviews are dudes with anime avatars.
He's answering OP, what is the problem
I disagree. Tactical positioning is basically out the window in RTWP, it’s just smashing blobs together. Turn based mode you actually have a distinction between move actions and single actions and full-round actions and it’s fun to use those five foot steps to maneuver your melees and avoid AoOs or line up a full attack. And a lot more control over AOE spellcasting, of course.
I played Kingmaker back when it was newish (after it was done, not the horrible bug ridden launch that is de rigeur for Owlcat) in RTWP and it was okay, but I personally had a lot more fun replaying it in turn based.
Go play Dawnsbury Days and see the difference. Turnbased doesn't work because the encounters aren't designed for it at all and it uses a homebrew RtwP ruleset that is not an actual tabletop ruleset, merely a superficial scraping of all the crunchy feat stacking bits. The turn-based makes the game way too tedious, its already way too easy to begin with, now its easy and slow.
>this thread
Can't you guys just accept that every game has flaws and nothing is perfect? why does everything has to be black and white and always absolute with you guys?
both the Pathfinder games were excellent BG 1&2 clones and BG3 is a very good sequel to the old series which was well liked by both casuals and rpggays alike. you don't have to wage a autistic online crusade to prove one game is superior to the other one
>BG3 is a very good sequel to the old series
BG3 props itself up by shitting on everything BG1&2 did, that's not what a good sequel would do.
>BG3 props itself up by shitting on everything BG1&2 did, that's not what a good sequel would do.
Could you elaborate on that?
I could.
How about the fact that Bhaal is alive and charname got either killed by fricking VIEKANG or by a bunch of random mercs?
>b-but wotc
Don't care, it happened in the game
It is what needed to be done after BG2 shitted allover the greatness that was BG1.
>It is what needed to be done after BG2 shitted allover the greatness that was BG1.
This is nonsense and they aren't in any way comparable. I am sympathetic to the argument that BG1 was the better game over BG2, but it didn't shit on characters the way BG3 does, and it was largely made by the same devs who were familiar with the characters. By contrast, BG3 is a soulless corporate goyslop necromantic reboot made by completely different people literally decades after the story of the first games were done, wrapped up, and definitively concluded in ToB.
>but it didn't shit on characters the way BG3 does
It did way worse to them and they put the main writer of bg1 in the backseat. What moronic delusion is this?
>why does everything has to be black and white and always absolute with you guys?
I like a lot of CRPGs but Owlcat games are just plain awful and its fans are cancerous.
What other game gives you the pleasure of multi classing into 4 different things albeit
If you need more than a pure class, you’re not White
Wizardry?