>Imperium are now sanitized goody two-shoes to appeal to normies from outside the hobby
>Tau Empire are now a traditional fascist empire to fill in their role as the 'scary aliens with their collaborator humans'
Does this mean we'll see fans switching sides?
I would move the Imperium out of the "sanitized" category and fully under the "fricking gay" branch. Even so, the Tau are not going to see some surge of support. I doubt any of the xenos races are.
This. Imperium is now AoS Stormcast level gay. Fricking mega-lame.
The problem is that the appeal of a fascist empire is a unified race working as a horrible seemingly unstoppable death machine that the plucky diverse heroes have to fight hard to defeat. The Tau are racially diverse, tiny, and weak, even if they ARE fascist they're not going to attract people who want to fantasize about being those guys from Jinroh or Himmler.
>The Tau are racially diverse
Eh, tbf so were the Nazis when you count the various SS divisions. And the OG Italian fascists just wanted total loyalty to the state, they didn't give a shit about race.
>tiny
Their Empire is small, but like the Eldar their military appeal doesn't come from the sheer size of their military, but rather from the eliteness of their soldiers. The Tau take the Quality > Quantity approach, which does have a strong appeal, especially when the "drown our enemies in meat waves" approach comes across as being the typical communist strategy, the archetypical fascist rival.
>weak
Eh, matter of opinion. Relative to their size, the Tau punch very hard.
Cute Rogue trader child
I mean they're communist right? Communists are still evil, but they de-emphasize nationalism, whereas fascism is about ultra-nationalism.
Nah, Tau are fascists played straight. Commies focus all on class, it's all "worker this" and "people's this". Fascist are more focus on cultural and national domination.
The Tau aren't focused on 'worker's liberation' or even imperialism under such a guise. They're pretty much Tau cultural-supremacists who insist on bringing their way of life to the galaxy, whether the galaxy wants it or not.
I love Tau. They're basically the Dominion from Star Trek.
I don't think they're even half as overtly shitty as the Dominion are. As far as I'm aware GW has been walking about the more grim aspects introduced in more recent editions because I think they realize they went to far.
>As far as I'm aware GW has been walking about the more grim aspects introduced in more recent editions because I think they realize they went to far.
The problem with the 'grimdark' elements of the Tau wasn't that they were dark, it was that they were fricking moronic. Shit like Firewarriors being executed for fixing their own battlesuits to prevent themselves from drowning because "That's an Earth caste's job" and fortifications only being able to be built Earth castes because apparently a Firewarrior digging a foxhole is the Tau equivalent of heresy.
Mostly they just did this moronic shit to make Farsight even more of a mary sue in comparison. But now they want to make Farsight a darker character so they're pulling back on that shit.
Even if they make Farsight "darker" he'll still be less shitty than the mind control of the Ethereals. Unless he goes full Khorne worshipper which is very obviously not going to happen.
Interesting fact, it's not even confirmed the Ethereals use mind control.
They need to ban Phil Kelly from writing any more Tau books and give that job to Peter Fehervari instead. You should all read Fire and Ice to get a taste of what Farsight was up to when he exiled himself, before the next Phil Kelly Farsight novel shits all over it. And The Greater Evil while you're at it.
I'm reading War of Secrets and the whole thing so far is confusing
>empire abandons some backwater ocean world and leaves the populace to freeze to death
>tau show up and save them all
>after a while, tau suddenly start massacring them instead
>Dark Angels show up for some reason
>a DA Primaris lieutenant risks his life to save one of the people in command of the rig he's on after she convinces him the only reason she worked with the Tau was so the people on her rig didn't die
>the lieutenant gives her some kind of writ to force an adjudicator to save the planet full of gue'vesa
>she uses the writ to employ a kroot warsphere to evacuate the planet in exchange for a thousand barrels of prometheum
I don't know how this lady or the lieutenant weren't executed on the spot tbh
>The person who wrote this has been working for Games Workshop for a quarter of a century and didn't see anything wrong with it
>He got promoted to "Creative Lead" in 2020
fehervari is fantastic and the only writer I will continue paying money for since I've heard his sales have sometimes made it iffy as to whether GW would put more novels from him. Fire Caste and Reverie deserve special mention. the slow boil 'holy shit these supposed loyalists are corrupted in so many different ways' horror in the latter deserves special mention (and then after that book they get worse in a different way). he is also off with his own little corner of the 40k universe so will be less affected by mandates.
No. Peter sucks. He always has it that the Imperium is in the right. Phil has it in balance showing that both sides are wrong and right on a number of things.
Imperium is in the right
>but dey grim and derp noooo this cant be
its why its grim derp
Reverie's got an audiobook too. Hope he gets more.
thick tau thighs...
Save lives my brother.
Here's what canon female Tau look like.
I don't give a frick homie
That's fanart anon. Also GW confirmed canon dont mean shit
Still would.
Those are dick sucking lips.
based
You want to frick that Y on her forehead don't you.
>Tau are just Finns in space
100% would
>canon
Until it isn't, like all-male custodes
>bjork in space
I'm going to steal these designs and just make a new alien out of them. Tau don't even really look like this so I can get away with it.
it's just a generic anime girl but blue.
Isnt that what every Tau player just headcanons already?
>remember what you're fighting for
I've been out of the loop with most fluff since about 2008. What have they done to go 'too far' in making the Tau dark, as I got the original Codex and took there as always being dark implications beneath the surface.
Unironically liking Tau to be honest. Nothing they can do to frick them up since GW wants to wankfest Imperigay with them femtroon Super Troopers.
Tau were always fascist. Both the Tau Empire and the Emperium of Man can be described as a utilitarian authority exerting coercive control through central power. The difference is that the tau tend to stop just short of systemic cruelty, providing just enough bread, circus, and ethereal pheromones for their society to handwave its faults in the name of the greater good.
I know it's a bit of a meme but why aren't there Gue'vesa Space Marines, or even just any sort of rebel space marine that doesn't worship chaos? Surely there's a middle ground between "Oh I don't like this weird cult empire" and "I must worship inherently evil daemons"?
Space Marines are incredibly prideful, its part of their genetics, so the idea of serving a species less perfect than themselves is abhorrent to them. That's why the only people they've ever been loyal to are the God-Emperor himself and the Chaos Gods.
They are also supposed to be incredibly loyal yet look what happened there
It's also possible that the fascistic ideology that the Tau espouse just doesn't appeal to the more liberal sensibilities of the Space Marines.
Lamenters tho
What about them?
There are non-chaos SM renegades like the ashen claws. The lore reasoning is that SMs are unhinged, unstable, psychopathic trans humans. Without the imperial cult and frequent indoctrination, they just kind of give in to the murder-kill-fight impulses that are hard coded into them. They are also marked out by the chaos gods as favored targets for corruption and find it hard to resist without the spiritual blankie of the emperor's protection.
In reality, however, there just isn't enough of a market for GW to justify paying writers to come up with stories and a $500,000 mold for models. Especially not when that money and labor could be put towards something much more profitable/popular.
Nothing stopping you from making them though. Your guys über alles.
>$500,000
That's an error. Was going to talk about how much money they sink into a production series, but the mold itself is only ~$15,000.
I actually disagree with your reasoning there, the chaos marines aren't falling to chaos in spite of them being evil daemons of corruption, but because of it. They're both psychologically brainwashed and magically brainwahsed into loyalty to the Imperium, the only forces that can break that are magic daemons who can literally get in your head.
Space marines go rogue or get excommunicated. Its rare, but it happens. The problem is that rogue marines rarely *survive* for long because the Imperium hunts them down and murders them all. The ones that survive longer than a week need to either be very good at running and hiding, or they need to shack up with someone willing to offer them protection. And Chaos is always hiring. So the ones that defect to chaos survive, and the ones that do not don't.
In theory, this means that a group of marines could logically survive by shacking up with the Tau instead of Chaos for protection and supplies, and the Ethereals would likely cut them a lot of slack to do so because they want the ability to credit them as propaganda pieces.
A better question is: would the Tau actually accept renegade marines? They're not as naïve as the fandom acts like they are. Tau have had enough problems trying to recruit or simply reason with Astarte that the Etherials basically said "they're not people, they're living weapons completely devoted to their insane religions." If a bunch of Astarte went to the Tau and asked to join, the fish heads would not trust them as far as they can throw them.
That said, I'm surprised that the Tau haven't made a genuine attempt to create their own Space Marines out of the humans that live in the Tau Empire. Even if they were pale imitations, they'd be an effective propaganda piece. "Hey look, humans. These 'angels' were made by the Tau and serve the Greater Good. Where is your God-Emperor now?"
>I'm surprised that the Tau haven't made a genuine attempt to create their own Space Marines out of the humans that live in the Tau Empire
The Tau have created robotic imitations of the Space Marines for military training purposes. That being said, making actual space marines would probably do more harm than good, since the entire process is rather inhumane and tends to create psychopaths.
they tried to accept Slaanesh marines once because they are dumb as frick
Tau is the stand-in for NATO (among other things). Now some of you may point out and say
>but they are socialists!!1!
Im sad that some of you are so easily filtered. You can mix multiple things and still see the clear influence of the base ingredients.
Anyway, OP is a homosexual no surprises here.
>Oh no the super bio-engineered soldiers that were trained to perfection for decades if not hundreds or thousands of years come in both genders. Its over.
Get over yourself who gives a frick The imperium is a equal opportunity place. You are both equally blessed with the opportunity to lay your life for the Emperor!
In between the new Custodes, the awakening of the Primarchs, the creation of children's books, and the rise of video games, fan content, and even a Warhammer 40k television show, the Imperium has been seriously sanitized. It was never fascist, it was far too feudal for such a title, but nowadays it's not even cruel.
b***h there were Warhammer Video Games since 1992 and Movies since 1996. Frick off /misc/ secondary
The Imperium is a complete hellhole, what are you talking about? Even something like the 10th ed trailer has Guilliman pointing out the hypocrisy of claiming victory in a galaxy that is going to shit and marines getting butchered in increasingly brutal ways by the dozen, and it's easy to claim that that trailer is meant to set the tone for the whole universe.
>This didn't happen
Fem-Custodes
Guilliman
Warhammer Adventures
And yet the tau still make them look like demons.
Not really, we have Space Marines working with xenos to save heretic humans from being massacred by the Tau now. The Imperium has gone full “heretic lives matter” now.
>The Imperium has gone full “heretic lives matter” now.
In the book's defense, it's only the primaris marines that do that kinda thing. The adjudicator basically told her and her planet to frick off and die before she pulled out the primaris seal. The old Dark Angels wouldn't have done anything like it either. In fact, they hate the primaris' guts.
You guys may not like it but there is this youtubes by the name of the Heretical Hatter that has done a huge rewrite of the Taus lore. But trys to stay true to the themes of what the Tau are supposed to be. Like the Tau are rewritten as lightly as they can be while still making it so you can take there empire seriously in 40k while making sure as best he can not to power creep the Tau to much so they just stomp the imperials like a slave facing a gladiator in Romes funnest pastime.
So i am saying i think he has done pretty good with what he has done with it so far.
Give us the cliff notes.
Well mostly what he does is just elaborate on the Tau and there empire far far more than GW ever did. Like it is like if GW had focused on the Tau rather than the Imperium of man. Nothing is to out there and it all makes sense to how the Tau live and work as a faction. Like for the fact that the Tau have near fifty member alien races to there coalition And that some of those races are powerful psychics that can move there own spaceships with there minds like the pancake space bears. And that the Tau have to fight in the mud all the time politically with there stronger and more willful members of there coalition to maintain there status as first among equals without dragging everything down into civil war all the time. And that the Tau have fought and defeated many miner chaos corrupted alien and human empires long before they met the Imperium and had to fight them for there right to live.
But i think the biggest thing is how big the Tau empire had gotten before they ever even met the imperium. Like i think they are a empire of near a thousand inhabited worlds and who knows how many uninhabitable ones they control. It truly feels like the Imperium just can not roll the Tua over like a bad joke. It feels like a much more fair fight. Which as you all know the Imperium gays hate most of all as fair fights mean they can really lose and there are no copouts or cheats they can hide behind to protect there delicate feelings when they get beaten like the losers they are.
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Stop spamming please you've posted this non-stop now for how many hours now? I shouldn't have responded to that Gulliman greentext with "Based Tau" I feel deep regret now for my actions.
Oh look, it's another tau porn spam thread.
not just a wannabe purity crusader, a newbie too.
kek
Remember the thread when you repeatedly got hammered and got so butthurt about it so you were forced to post softcore stuff? You are a b***h!
yes i am definitely that guy
i love that you are still upset enough to remember whoever that was though
lol
Doesn't matter if you are or not. He knows himself and he knows that I am laughing at him because he is a cowardly b***h!
whatever makes you feel like a big boy, newbie.
enjoy the tau breasts, they aint going anywhere anytime soon
>newbie
Post models
i threw them all away because female custodes are trash
gold breasts bad, blue breasts good
you will learn in time if you lurk moar
No models.
No oldgay.
Isn't Farsight's suit a Coldstar prototype? Why is he so much smaller than an actual Coldstar?
Farsight was about the same size as the original finecast commander model. The plastic is bigger because bigger is better in GW's mind
i mean when it comes to suits the originals were always pretty small when you consider that a pilot has to fit in the wienerpit and still have room for all the controls and machinery of it
the new ones are more believable. i will say, i think the riptide is too big, and everything above that is outright silly, but the ghostkiel is damn near perfect and the new broadsides chassis is an improvement over the old ones
we do need a melee suit though, i know they've been seen in the background of art pieces and experimental systems have been around for several editions, its time.
Riptide sucks, ghostkeel and new broadsides are the cream of the crop.
sometimes bigger IS better
My only issue with the ghostkeel is they re-priced it at $90 in order to inflate the apparent value of the Combat Patrol to make it more in line with other factions and it was STILL one of the worst values at the start of 10th edition, equal to admech in points-per-dollar
eh, i get most of my models these days from trolltrader so i havent paid anything close to GW retail in years. usually getting them at 50% off of the british price which is then directly converted into my countries $ at the current exchange rate, rather than the arbitrary markup they impose on us, so its actually usually closer to a 60-70% savings
You're right. Crisis suits are fine. I don't mind slightly larger commander models, but I just don't like how they completely tower over Crisis Suits. It just looks ridiculous when they're attached to a team now. This makes sense with orks and maybe nids, but just looks silly with Tau. I'm completely opposed to melee suits. Just make Heatwave teams stronger or more defensive options in close-range. I've always preferred Tau being better at moving and shooting than getting new units to fill in different roles. But I guess Tau (and nids) are the only race in 40k that innovate and adapt. So if it's implemented well and the models don't look like ass, I'd accept it. But currently, I cannot see GW adding more units since they're so hell bent on removing dead weight atm.
I guess sometimes it's good. I do like the size of the new broadside. But I HATE its lack of poseability. But thankfully I have a perfect STL to replace them. I like the riptide because I just love the big ass burst cannon lol. Ghostkeels are just mid for me. I'm also autistic enough to put everything on round bases so both my riptide and ghostkeel don't look like they're on surfboards.
Poor fella 🙁
Well when it comes to melee suits i think the Tau will just give there human helpers some old junker Crisis Suits, worn down spare part, and some last generation tools and tell them to work something out with this junk as that is something all of the imperial humans do all the time with there tech.
And thats how you get human piloting human made and modified Crisis Suits wielding Crisis Suit sized power weapons of all kinds. From duel wielding power swords and mauls to thunder hammers and power fists.
they should have kroot crisis suits. Kroot Zoots
GW will never give us melee suits.
Hell they took 2 melee options away in 10e
Tell that to the Helbrute. My boy is tiny compared other dreadnoughts.
manlet
No, the tau will be reverted to good guys. Don't you see? We must sanitize everything for inclusivity and the "general" audience. We also need to push the "chuddies" out.
Honestly most people who still play 40k at this point are brand loyalists through and through, so no they'll just go along with the revisions because otherwise would be an attack on their person.
every thing that can be changed is a dial to rotate ever so slightly for the means of changing something to make people feel uncomfortible with their forever armies
so that they will buy the next thing they're directed towards
None of you know what fascism is.
Fascism is when trains alway depart on time, but sometimes the people on them are not entitled to a return ticket.
Fascism is when people I dislike do things, anon. Simple as that. Modern US foreign policy? Fascist. Hitler? Fascist. Stalin? Fascist. The Confederacy? Fascist. Pre-modern states that I dislike for meme reasons? All fascist.
Your first three examples are literally all fascism.
Fascism is most easily summed up as "Everything within the State, Nothing outside the State, Nothing against the State."
The T'au'Va, or the Greater Good, is summed up as the belief that the needs of the Empire are greater than any individual member of it. Followers of the Greater Good gladly would commit themselves to any great effort, to endure the most exhausting of adversities, or even lay down their lives to further the cause of the Greater Good.
These philosophies are nearly identical.
Yeah but you could also sum up government as a whole like that. They're not big fans of people not being part of them.
Eh, there's a pretty big difference between a fascist state, which doesn't have a conception of a 'private' life, and a liberal state which to a large degree does. Btw that's actually what totalitarianism means under fascist ideology, it doesn't mean a police state (though it's certainly not incompatible with one), rather it means that the government considers ALL aspects of life and society to fall under its umbrella of concern. Sex, culture, religion, business, language, all are considered to fall under the purview of what the state has an interest in.
In most liberal societies you really don't see this, or rather, insofar as the state and private interests are intertwined, it tends to be more that the state is influenced by those private interests rather than the other way around. Modern China is, surprisingly despite its communist rhetoric, pretty much the textbook definition of how a fascist state is ran.
are now sanitized
No, not at all.
Gamza, have a nice day.
No, because the Imperium fans always liked their Euro-Christian imagery and *wanted* them to be good guys. They would rather not engage with 40k than align with the Tau.
No because Tau fans somehow manage to be even more cringeworthy than "for the emprah xD" spouting redditors.
I'll stay with Orkz, IG and Nids.
>"Tau are cringe"
>plays Orks
Tau represent the modern perspective on 40K. It would make sense if some Tau Septs were more democratic, fascist, industrialist, ecologist, capitalist or communist than other septs.
Like this.
>"You can be a part of it. You will be a part of it."
Bit unsettling.
>Tau going on about freedom
Lol. Lmao even.
Auxiliaries get way more freedom than the actual tau do
Proofs ? I've never heard of this phenomenon.
Well, for one, they don't enforce their caste system to non-Tau. The Kroot also do whatever they want so long they don't eat Tau meat.
Wouldn't that be a product of the Tau not even thinking that non-Tau are worth even putting into a caste because they see them as lesser, rather than some sort of carte blanche "you can do whatever you want" ticket?
I think its more the Tau know it just would not work as well or even at all for non Tau so its just not done. It save the ethereals headaches in the short and long-run of things. And the ethereals love there peaceful unbothered state of mind.
I think the Tau are at there best when they see a situation has two outcomes. The hard stupid way that every other power in the galaxy seems addicted to too the point of suicide. And the easy smart way that everyone else in the galaxy seems to stupid to even think of in the first place. The Tau like going with the easy smart way.
And as a result, they get no voice. The circle of elements gets 1 alien Representative. 1. So if you're a human and the representative is a Tarellian, you're screwed
It's literally in your pic. The very first Tau rulebook says they're allowed to keep their religion, as long as it doesn't interfere with the greater good. That's 1 more freedom than the Tau which already proves my point, but to go further: They don't force auxiliaries into breeding pairs like they do to the Tau. They're not systematically assigned a caste, either: "Gue'vesa" is its own title similar to "shas" or "por" for the tau. There's no "shas'gue'vesa" but there ARE "gue'vesa'ui" and such. But this doesn't necessarily mean that the auxiliaries aren't pigeon holed into working for a specific caste. I think both these points come up in Damocles short stories.
>The very first Tau rulebook says they're allowed to keep their religion, as long as it doesn't interfere with the greater good.
The joke is that's an obvious lie because the doctrine of the greater good is all encompassing. "You can eat anything you want as long as we deem it healthy. By the way the only thing we class healthy is 1 daily loaf of bread."
>They don't force auxiliaries into breeding pairs like they do to the Tau
Because for a long time it was implied they just sterilise them covertly.
> They're not systematically assigned a caste, either: "Gue'vesa" is its own title similar to "shas" or "por" for the tau
Again it was in the past implied Gue'vesa was inherently below the other Tau. They're not a 'caste' because they're not worthy of one.
They're the smiling assassin. The corporate nice guy who says he's doing everything for the employees' benefit while expecting more for less. The political bleeding heart who talks about freedom or liberty or tolerance while curbing all of these in the name of safety or security or collective good. You're literally missing the joke because it's less in your face than the other factions.
>The joke is that's an obvious lie because the doctrine of the greater good is all encompassing. "You can eat anything you want as long as we deem it healthy. By the way the only thing we class healthy is 1 daily loaf of bread."
New codex says that humans keep their religion when they join.
>Because for a long time it was implied they just sterilise them covertly.
The new codex says that human numbers are increasing.
Taros had its human population multiply under tau rule.
>Again it was in the past implied Gue'vesa was inherently below the other Tau. They're not a 'caste' because they're not worthy of one.
In Damocles Anthology, a Gue'Vesa'O was commanding fire warriors and wearing a suit.
NTA, but the reason the other guy is saying "implied" so much is that it means he can make up whatever the frick he wants.
For example, it was always implied that there were fem-custodes. I don't have to provide proof because it was implied.
New codex sounds like a pile of shit then.
How would humans keeping their belief in the Emperor be remotely compatible with the Greater Good? Why would the Tau allow an obvious 5th column to grow? All sounds like bullshit to have a nice shiny normie-friendly good guy alien federation faction. "Tau are the good guys" undermines the setting, 40k should not have a good guy faction.
>How would humans keeping their belief in the Emperor be remotely compatible with the Greater Good
It's a modified version of the Imperial Truth approved by the Tau. The Tau have been letting humans worship the Emperor for a long ass time.
Because humans become predictable. All places of worship are bugged since they know the humans will congregate there.
The new codex states that Tau and non-Tau in the empire have little say in their destiny. How is this good guy stuff?
>New codex reiterates 1 negative that was the case since first codex
>Also says a load of shit about how nice and tolerant they are
>"This isn't making them more of a good guy faction"
I always said that the Tau would be a really good antagonist faction in any other setting, but in 40K, they come out looking like the closest thing to good guys.
When are we getting Space Bretonnia as the good guy human faction? Do not say Imperial Knights.
They ARE a really good antagonistic faction. Antagonistic doesn't have to mean bad or evil.
Imperial Knights are less grim than Brets, they don't have that stupid 9/10ths of the harvest tax, and peasants can even earn the right to pilot the mini knights.
Space Bretonnia as a hard requirement MUST be an independent human faction apart from the Imperium, but at least nominally on the same side as the Imperium. This is non-negotiable.
>Does this mean we'll see fans switching sides?
No. Tau players like the Tau because they're a sci-fi faction that actually plays like a sci-fi faction. Aside from the guard, most other factions lean into the fantasy side of things. Not everyone is into having a magically gifted knight in his thrice blessed armor swinging his enchanted sword at the evil wizard. Some people want to dismount their guys from an IFV under the covering fire of a hover tanks while drones mark targets for fire support. Outside of guard and shooty SM armies, you really don't get that kind of play. And even then, those are a different flavor and aesthetic that might not appeal to them.
Honestly I don't really care about the changes to the plot background, I just want my drones back.
Born to 'vesa
Lore is a frick
青い膣 Kill Em All 999.M41
I AM BLUSSY MAN
147,483,389,043,638,117 nonconformist humans sterilized
You mean are chuds going to stop using branded slop to hide their only true interests of fascism and chud like behavior? No. Nobody's going to go out of their way to buy different plastic from the same company that just called them a homosexual for not liking cuckstode cum.
>entire post is anon demonstrating that he doesn't know exactly what fascism is, but his personal goals and interests align with historical examples of it
isnt that a more fascist mindset than we had before. oh no YOU could never become one of histories monsters. THEY where evil. YOU'RE good.
>scary aliens
Let it forever be remembered that the Tau killed Slaanesh, and that Slaanesh is now and forever dead.
Their ideology is very communitarian, rejecting individuality, while the caste system is quite flat besides the Ethereals: A janitor is as respectable as a scientist or a mighty warrior. I don't think there's any description of Tau economy other than that it must be heavily automated.
>while the caste system is quite flat besides the Ethereals: A janitor is as respectable as a scientist or a mighty warrior.
Eh, let's not go that far.
The caste system is "flat" in the sense that the worker/scientist caste, merchant/diplomat caste, warrior caste, and pilot caste are all supposed to be equal in importance.
However, WITHIN these castes there is still a meritocratic hierarchy. A general is still above the grunts. A foreman is still above the janitor.
Does it even make sense to label 41k political systems with 20th century political labels?
Yes and no.
You can't use shit like Capitalism or Communism because 40k doesn't really care much about economic systems. The Imperium really doesn't give a shit if you have a command economy, a capitalist economy, are worker-owned, or if it all belongs to the king. All they care about is the tithe.
The Tau for that matter have a merchant class, but their interests fall under the interests of the state, and they seem to mostly use merchant endeavors as a means of exerting influence abroad. The closest analogy is fascism, which their political system reflects.
Portraying things through current day optics is easiers way to make them comprehensible for current day audience.
This color scheme really works for the Tau
i have no idea what the frick im looking at
Tau outfit for night combat in a forest stuck in a brown wasteland during the day
I almost went with this exact scheme but i ended up switching the black to khaki because otherwise the models looked too dark.
brown
The trick is to go with a dark grey instead of black
Dark green is a good choice but you need the right accent colors to make it pop.
thanks doc
You have my gratitude, Doctor.
thank you doctor!
I have no idea what you’re talking about, but as a long time Star Wars fan I feel your pain.
You made it personal. The smugness of Smut posters needs to be punished. We are here to discuss Tau not jerk off
>two posts on an imageboard from me specifically at least
>made it personal
lol lmao get some thicker skin
TAU WOMEN MUST BE RAPED BY BIG HUMAN wienerS!
They are Commie China/Russia mixed with British/Japanese imperialism and American tolerance.
Tau are clearly supposed to be Israel. Their language is even kinda like IDF hebrew font
Can't be. They're definitionally not an ethnostate.
that movie Hunter Prey does a good job of summing up whats wrong with the Tau, they evolved too quickly figuratively and literally. Have an over reliance on their tech which outpaced their own intelligence and culture.
They lack human ingenuity and adaptiveness
>human ingenuity and adaptiveness
Lucky for the Tau that the Imperium has cured humanity of those things.
The Imperium is restraining humanity so it doesn't wipe itself out again*
I mean maybe you dislike nuclear nonproliferation too.
>They lack human ingenuity and adaptiveness
Uh...human ingenuity and adaptiveness in 99% of cases involves "hey we invented (insert technology) to solve this problem".
>Learn the meaning of ingenuity, a noun that describes someone's ability to think of clever new ways of doing something.
Clever new ways of doing something being in 90% of cases something involving new technology.
>imperium
>new technology
self own
>human ingenuity and adaptiveness
>40K
using servitors instead of robots is ingenious, so is using psykers to warp travel around and the emperor as a lighthouse
This was also thought up 10K years ago.
you said "human" ingenuity, 40k.
Nice try.
Navigators and Warp beacons existed before the Imperium by thousands of years.
>most of the Imperiums clever ways of doing things is getting around technology limitations
Most of the Imperium's ways of doing things have resulted in it being the decaying shithole it is today. The Imperium has continuously declined for a long time with no signs of reversal, its way of doing things doesn't work.
Imperium does everything for a reason. For example limiting the proliferation of super tech is intentional because of the HH and DAoT.
Use of servitors over AI robots.
Blessing and ritual over educating people is an easier way to adhere to best practices.
They need Psykers but they also need to regularly cull them.
>Imperium does everything for a reason.
Everyone does everything for a reason. That doesn't mean it's a good reason.
No, the Imperium literally unironically does everything for a solid practical reason. The exact specifics of the reason may be lost to time and ignorance but at least higher ups in the Ad mech and Admin understand the reason.
To quote the new Fallout show, everything looks like chaos but someone is in the drivers seat.
If the Imperium didnt do what it does there'd be a galactic wide apocalypse.
>the Imperium literally unironically does everything for a solid practical reason.
Not really. Their ban on AI is non-sensical since none of the other factions have suffered from AI rebellions and the Imperium doesn't even know what caused the Men of Iron to rebel (or even if they did truly rebel). The ban on new tech is just plain old religious nonsense since none of the other factions have had issues with adopting new technology. The use of cheap human waves has forced the Space Marines to intervene in far more conflicts than they should have to since the Imperial Guard is too ineffective to hold the line on their own.
Everything the IoM does for a reason
>AI ban
after AI nearly destroyed humanity and then entire galaxy? Seems reasonably prudent.
The Tau are literally being led by an AI hologram that tries to order them around. You are hilarious.
The Eldar had to fight off humanity's Ai abominations.
You notice the Eldar do not use AI robots themselves
>don't know
It's known, AI mimics a soul and therefore is vulnerable to chaos.
Proven by the Votann having Emperor like presences in the warp.
The ban on tech predated the Imperium, it predates Even the great crusade era. The Emperor put bans in place and serious restrictions when they were not a religious theocracy but the opposite.
You really do not understand the lore or care you are simply trolling because you can't seperate your politics from fiction.
>after AI nearly destroyed humanity and then entire galaxy?
We don't even know that it did. We don't know anything about the Men of Iron other than that humanity destroyed them.
yes we do you lying frick
Citation needed.
>after AI nearly destroyed humanity and then entire galaxy? Seems reasonably prudent.
There is little lore about the Iron Men other than they rose up and were crushed by humanity. It doesn't seem to have affected the wider galaxy because the Aeldari didn't even notice it.
>You notice the Eldar do not use AI robots themselves
The Prefall Aeldari did.
Everything has Warp presence. Even rocks. So that's a bad argument.
wrong again, Chaos can possess anything including inanimate objects buts this because of a psychic species allowing chaos to enter realspace in the firstplace.
and actual machine with a soul just makes this process infinitely easier for chaos, since its the conduit instead of a psyker.
>Their ban on AI is non-sensical since none of the other factions have suffered from AI rebellions
Votann are having a bad time with this actually.
>the ban on AI doesn't make sense!
>yes, the dark age of tech happened, but that was a fluke!
>see those guys over there? They've only had one rebellion at most!
AI hands wrote this post
Humanity used AI for a longer time than the Imperium existed. The Eldest Empire had AI for millions of years yet no AI rebellion.
The Eldar dont use AI, in the sense of technological super computers.
They use their own freaking souls. Eldar robots = techno-necromancy.
The old Elder Empire used AI. It is one of the reasons why they felt to hedonism, because they lived in a post-scarcity civilization where everything was provided for and there was no real threats or dangers anymore.
nope. Eldar never used true AI they didnt need to. Their robots from the war in heaven were wraithguard
They fell to hedonism because as a warp power based culture they could do anything with their minds.
>Humanity bans AI
>Dark Age of technology happens
>WTF this is proof we shouldn't use AI!
DAoT was when they were using AI
none of the other factions use AI except the stupid Tau
>Votann
Explained they dont actually use true ai robots, their robots are like pets they have bizarrely given equal rights to.
The Votann super computers are the closest thing to true Ai in the setting and they are senile and neurotic and in some cases downright dangerous.
Theres one that continually orders genocide quotas
>none of the other factions use AI except the stupid Tau
Votann and Necrons
>their robots are like pets they have bizarrely given equal rights to.
So are the Tau's.
lol no Votann ai robots are explicitly said to not be true ai.
The Votann is another story.
Necrons are literally just Necrontyr roboticised.
Tau don't give equal rights to their drones but they stupidly gave authority to an ai hologram
>Votann ai robots are explicitly said to not be true ai.
Neither are Tau robots. The Tau drone AI is just primitive algorithms no more intelligent than a squirrel. It's only when they link up that they become somewhat more intelligent. The only other AI the Tau have are the brain scans of people, which are treated as equal citizens.
>Necrons are literally just Necrontyr roboticised.
They're still AI though, but even not counting that, the Necrons have the Scarabs.
>Neither are Tau robots. The Tau drone AI is just primitive algorithms no more intelligent than a squirrel.
RETCONNED. T'au drones are as intelligent as a person.
The Aun'VA brainscan AI is controlled by the Ethereal council.
>lol no Votann ai robots are explicitly said to not be true ai.
Where does it say that in the Vottan codex which I have in my hand right now?
No. The lore says that they had automated machines that did all the work.
nope. Wrong again. Eldar robots are not true ai. Their robots are wraithguard.
wrong again see
>Their robots are wraithguard.
t. lorelet
Wrong again, spirit drones were just a type of wraithguard tech.
>"Gav Thrope, who made the idea of the Psychomatons and Spirit Drones in his Asurmen and Jain Zar books, said on his patreon:
Both (Psychomatons and Spirit Drones) are variations on the same theme - the idea that the Aeldari imbued a basic consciousnesses and spirit into their machines, rather than a more computing-led AI.
You forgot to add in the rest of the answer.
>Gav: Both are variations on the same theme - the idea that the Aeldari imbued a basic consciousnesses and spirit into their machines, rather than a more computing-led AI. The history says that the aeldari became complacent because they had artificial servants and soldiers doing all the hard work for them, so yes they would be precursors to wraithguard. However, it's important to remember that waystones / spirit stones did not exist before the Fall. Other psychoreactive and conductrive circuitry and power sources would have been in use (including wraithbone).
So they were AI but more spiritual than 1s and 0s.
you realise posting literally anything and claiming it proves your argument doesn't actually probe your argument you sped?
>so yes they would be precursors to wraithguard.
frick sake imbecile
See
No.
I accept your concession. Embarrassing
As i said possessing a machine without a soul is harder than one with a soul.
I did not concede. I continue to challenge you, coward.
Read " rather than a more computing-led AI." He pretty much sid it as AI. A type of it but not the computing kind.
severely low iq. You lost the argument.
no human brains are not turing compliant
Haha no. Anyone who says I win did not win at all.
t. lorelets
>"Gav Thrope, who made the idea of the Psychomatons and Spirit Drones in his Asurmen and Jain Zar books, said on his patreon:
>Both (Psychomatons and Spirit Drones) are variations on the same theme - the idea that the Aeldari imbued a basic consciousnesses and spirit into their machines, rather than a more computing-led AI.
See
you are severely stupid and dishonest
No, they are not. They were called drones automated machines that did all the work. No mention of Wraith Guard anywhere as being workers.
Tau AI is too moronic to do anything even close to Men of Iron.
They can't even shoot at a target that's not the closest to it without guidance.
Wrong. The head Ethereal is a moronic AI hologram. It orders wars, it orders executions and it hilariously tries to mind control tau despite lacking the power
I don't understand why they continue with the hologram nonsense when other Ethereals should have taken his place long ago.
Yandex cant find it so could you give me the source for the art anon
The massive use of drones, cruise missiles, and railguns should be enough to overwhelm the WW1 style of warfare that the Guard employs.
Elder gods are AI constructs.
the danger of ai is that it doesnt have to be even real ai, idiots just have to believe it is and give it power.
"The danger of AI" is that there is no danger to AI, we don't even know if the Men of Iron were rebelling against humanity or for humanity.
no, the danger of ai is that it doesnt even need to be real to be a danger.
Putting a calculator in charge of society is moronic lunacy. The threat only increases the further towards true ai you get
>men of iron
went to war against the entire galaxy and need a human and xenos coalition to stop them
>went to war against the entire galaxy
And quite possibly would've made a utopia if they won.
yeah if you think the Machines in the matrix made a utopia
Nope. The issue is if you make a real ai you are simulating a soul, giving it a warp presence.
Its just creating a conduit for possession.
>yeah if you think the Machines in the matrix made a utopia
We have no reason to think the Men of Iron were like the machines from the Matrix
>The issue is if you make a real ai you are simulating a soul, giving it a warp presence.
Blatantly false as the Necrons prove.
the descriptions make them sound like the machines from the matrix
>necrons
Regular crons do not possess a soul. And the higher ups can be possessed by chaos
But their entire tech is anti-chaos in the first place. Lorelet post
>Regular crons do not possess a soul.
Despite being AI, yes, thank you for contradicting yourself.
They arent true ai and the higher ups can be possessed.
You are an idiot just ignoring people
>They arent true ai
Then your argument is pointless. Neither the Votann nor the Necrons nor the Tau nor the Imperium ever used "True AI".
Wrong again. Votann are true and we must assume Necrons with actual personality are simulating a weak soul
>Eventually, on a nameless moon near Damnos, Lucius is cut down by the shape-shifting Necron duellist known only as the Phasing Sword. Not even the Necron's body of living metal can prevent the Slaaneshi Champion's strange possession-curse from taking hold, however, for the undying Necron takes a cold pride in its victory, and that is the seed of its undoing. Lucius is reborn inside his killer within solar days, the xenos warrior's necrodermis body drizzling away like molten metal to reveal the twisted swordsman, as arrogant and maniacal as ever.
>Votann are true
Not true. The Votann are just giant calculators.
>and we must assume Necrons with actual personality
Not so. They're merely brain simulations.
wrong again. Votann possess and actual warp presence like the Emperor and the astronomicon.
>simulation
as i was saying simulating a soul is a soul as far as chaos is concerned a machine perfectly simulating a soul is possess-able because its self aware.
We know that the way to kill Lucius is to kill him with something soulless like a Servitor.
The fact he can possess a Necron taking pride in killing him means some necron possess a soul
tl;dr back to plebbit
>as i was saying simulating a soul is a soul as far as chaos is concerned
Not true. See the Necrons.
>We know that the way to kill Lucius is to kill him with something soulless like a Servitor.
Nope, he'd possess whoever made it. There is a story where he ends up popping out of a factory worker because he made the landmine he stepped on.
watch the Lucius cartoon "Fiend". One of Lucius's own comrades explains how to kill him
More factions should use AI. The galaxy is ungovernable without it.
these threads are always people that actually understand the lore vs r/40klore
I wonder if Dark Age Tech humanity was dumb enough to use the Warp to enhance their AI. It would explain the whole Machine Sport thing and how AI can be corrupted by the Warp.
We know that the DAoT Humanity would literally torture their AI into compliance so...whatever their practices they were pretty fricking stupid with it.
at what point would this be, sounds like Old night stuff.
DAoT was utopian but suffered from run away technological advancement.
Cawl uses a true AI to do his stuff.
Cawl only uses a personality simulation.
There is no difference between AI and natural intelligence.
The Etherals are aware of Chaos. It makes me wonder if they have safeguards against chaos corruption of even AI. Some lore suggest that the T'au willingness to self-sacrifice and belief in the Greater Good is enough to make most Daemon attempts to posses and corrupt them incredibly hard and unrewarding for the Daemons. Chaos actually sees the T'au as a powerhouse in the making but so far have failed to corrupt even their chosen one (Farsight).
Certainly helps that the Tau have their own Warp God.
god i hate phil kelly
What are the chances it’s just some random demon attaching itself to them?
Or even Big E and the funky bunch playing a prank.
Could also be eldar, since they are theorized to have had a hand in uplifting them.
It's not really the Tau's warp god, it's the human auxiliaries'
nope, its everyone the Tau has enslaved even the Tau to a small degree.
Its a reflection of the Tau themselves.
>Frankly I'm surprised the giant psychic bears didn't have a bigger impact on what it seems to look like.
Its literally a reflection of how the Tau are seen. Like having a mirror held up to them and saying this is you. Possibly why it enraged the hypocritical little frickers so much
>Its literally a reflection of how the Tau are seen. Like having a mirror held up to them and saying this is you
didn't it have 5 fingers
its an abomination of melded races. Just like the Tau empire.
>Possibly why it enraged the hypocritical little frickers so much
The frick are you talking about? Shadowsun met the goddess when she was a teenager and met her again later in the present. They walked face to face. Shadowsun sensed that the goddess wasn't bad and it was possibly an ally that should be embraced.
The Fourth Sppher guy are too PTSD to realise that the goddess is an asset.
4th sphere expansion sees the Tau'va God and is repulsed by it and its described as a reflection of the Tau.
Shadowsun wasn't disgusted by it at all. She felt a kinship with it.
So it's a skill issue.
At the end of the novel after the goddess helped defeat the Death Guard, Shadowsun ordered that the shrines of the goddess be left alone instead od being destroyed.
Lol its literally an emissary of the abomination before its creation
It's not really an abomination, it's be nothing but helpful to the Tau Empire.
I read the passage. its a common theme with Chaos gods.
They send an emissary back in time to create the situation of their own birth.
It literally says
>i simply wish to exist.
Its not born yet
If it's not born yet than how did it cast off the daemons plaguing the fourth sphere and blast a permanent hole in real space? Very suspicious.
I think anon is saying that when Shadowsun meets Tau'va while training under Puretide that it's not Tau'va yet.
>What are the chances it’s just some random demon attaching itself to them?
Isn't that, at the end of the day, what the chaos gods are? Goddess Tau'va said that it's existed since the start, it's basically a being of cooperation.
Technically it's all the auxiliaries that affect the warp. Frankly I'm surprised the giant psychic bears didn't have a bigger impact on what it seems to look like. Then again maybe Tau'va, to them, looks like a bear.
>isn’t that, at the end of the day
No. Not at all. I don’t think you understand the concepts at play.
Early lore even suggested that the T'au eugenic programs deliberately breed out psyker traits.
That was never the case. The 5th ED lore just said that the T'au might have chemicals in their brains that lower their Warp sensitivity.
theres one novel that says Tau with correct guidance by Imperials make excellent daemon slayers.
Which is really cool and what i wanted for a long time.
frick off you moronic idiot, the rest doesnt prove your point.
He literally says
>rather than a more computing-led AI.
The Eldar were straight up making machines they allowed to be possessed by benign warp entities or controlled with their minds
It disproves you. They were wraithguard. Wraith Guard tech was based on them. They were artificial constructs with artificial minds.
Weren't wraith guard
>and actual machine with a soul just makes this process infinitely easier for chaos, since its the conduit instead of a psyker.
That's not how to works. Possessing a machine takes a lot of work unless you are Vashtorr.
>theres one novel that says Tau with correct guidance by Imperials make excellent daemon slayers.
I mean Shas'O Kais is basically Tau Doom Slayer so it checks out.
>Put one of their best commanders, known for being something of a lone-warrior, into stasis simulation
>The simulation preserves his body while running combat simulations 24/7 non-stop for 100 years of every combat scenario conceivable
>Take him out as a war-crazed blood-craving Rambo, put him in the most advanced Ghostkeel battlesuit they have, shit so advanced it practically becomes sci-fi magic, and have him rip and tear into Space Marines
It's nice when the Tau get their own badass moments
Which novel?
He is lying. He is talking about the Farsight novels. It has an Inquisitor pondering about the possibility of the Imperium becoming a mentor to the T'au.
No. It's a spiritual AI rather than a digital one.
he literally says they are not AI. You are low iq
See
Doesn't every intelligence compute? It's not like neurons have magical runes or something.
Speaking about T'au AI the Damocles story collection's first pages say that Tau tried making their drones more machine-logical but it led to disasters. So they programmed their drones to think like the T'au do and express emotions.
It probably lead to minmax situation where the AI decides to pause a game forever to never lose or comes up with gamer solutions to obtain maximize the score.
Eldar don't use ai.
1) they had wraithlord like machines 60 million years ago
2) they saw what ai did to other species
3) they could do everything with their minds, practically no need for labour anyway
4) likewise their robots were mind operated or using harmless warp entities
5) slaanesh showed them even this is a dumb idea, theres no benign warp entities. Now they just use soulstone tech.
>they saw what ai did to other species
1 other species 1 time that might not have even been an evil rebelliono?
>Eldar don't use ai.
Gav said they did. They just use spirit-based AI rather than digital.
>harmless warp entities
fanfiction?
Nothing sadder then someone being so butthurt they are wrong they just resort to inane trolling.
Gav did not say that. Full stop. You are a fricking dumb homosexual
No. He did.
Lets rewrite his sentence in another way to get the point across.
"They used water-based lube rather than a more silicone-based lube." Both are lube.
>uhh lets uhh rewrite uhh what he said to prove me right
>completely fricks up the analogy and point
Gav said this
>the idea that the Aeldari imbued a basic consciousnesses and spirit into their machines, rather than a more computing-led AI.
Rather than a computing AI, they put the spirit of a monkey into them.
Feel free to continue seething at your low intelligence for my amusement.
>Feel free to continue seething
I know that you are.
"rather than a more computing-led AI"
That wording makes it clear that the former is an AI.
He could have said rather than AI but he qualified it with a more computing AI which indicates the former is a different functioning AI.
Got it?
hilariously mad back to redit
Deldar use biological-machine hybrid constructs
Nah. I am perfectly chill.
And nice you prove my point by ignoring crucial parts of the reply .
Also, I am waiting on the Votaan codex page.
you are insecure about your intelligence
nope. I think its O'Shovah gets into a fight with a Bloodthrister and an Imperial relays the ritual to banish it to him, he executes it flawlessly and sends the thirster screaming back to the warp
The Inquisitor does not say what you said about her thinking that the T'au are superior daemon killers You are imagining things like a toddler.
I never claimed they did you mentally ill moron. i said with guidance they make effective daemon hunters.
A tau was guided to kill a daemon and did it well because he was immune to most warp influence
But bullshit is this? There is story about entire cadres of Fire Warriors falling to Khorne before Ethereals saved them.
Farsight in Arks of Omen was an inch away from falling to Khorne.
Still waiting for the source that the Ironkin are not true AI because the material I read says that the Ironkin are true AI and they are programmed to think and behave like fleshy Kin.
LoV codex. Theres only one.
PAGE?
Contrary to popular belief, AI is really bad and math and computing.
yeah but our AI is not real AI, its snake oil. Actually computers are pretty good at it.
>Gav explicitly says Eldar never used AI computers
>butthurt moron has a shitfit
Naaaaaah.
They used another type of AI.
>i was only trolling
yes we know. Autist.
If you can't read a simple line like that post without adding delusion into it then that's a awesome self-own.
Eldar don't need AI their tech basically works by mind control.
Expain the Drukhari. And don't say biological minds. Some of their machines are purely mechanical
This entire argument is moronic because “you can’t use anything that might get corrupted by chaos” precludes literally fricking everything, including people, from existing in your empire.
I know, right? He is a moron.
Chaos is that bad but you can take precautions
actual moron
You can take precautions without being moronic about it.
The problem is you think all the precautions are moronic
Even the Tau have learned what has to be done, thats why they genocided all their auxillaries that one time
Not all precautions are moronic, but all precautions based off of making the situation worse for yourself without fixing any of the problems are moronic.
Tau genociding all their auxillaries after they basically saved them is moronic.
But it kinda makes sense, they understood the root of the issue.
BL is literally garbage, SoS are not psykers so not capable of being sorceresses.
Unless they wrote some mental gymnastics like SoS have their brains operated on to cure their Null power.
They are quite literally immune to chaos and their silence is so they don't relay chaos information dangerously
It's a short story that I have to did around to find.
Corrupted SoS from the future said to get her Warp powers she offered "them" her soul. Turns out that SoS have souls and that they can give them away. Her sisters disputed that but she insisted on it.
huh? SoS dont have fricking souls, thats why they are fricking SoS
jfc i hate BL so much
Found it.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/The_Voice_(Anthology_Short_Story)#:~:text=When%20one%20such%20ship%2C%20the,themselves%20for%20the%20worst...
>the IoM doesn't use servitors
>the IoM doesn't have entire special forces that are chaos immune
Jfc where do you dumbass morons come from.
You mean the Grey Knights, Custodes, SoS? Because all three factions have members that fell to Chaos
How does a null fall to chaos?
That's gotta be like being ignored by your crush after you keep sending them love letters or doing stuff for them.
SoS can't fall to Chaos. They are literally immune to it. They can straight up read chaos texts in complete safety. One of the only groups to do so.
Nulls in general make chaos fickle out and fail and are anti-chaos
Yes, they can fall to Chaos.
There is an HH short story about a SoS that fell to Chaos after the HH happened and she became a Chao sorcerer.
She attempted to contact her former self and comrades to warn them. A zealot SoS responds by killing the corrupted SoS former self which kills the corrupted SoS in the present.
Do you remember which story? What you said make sit sound like some time travel shenanigans.
>sos
>falls to chaos
>becomes a chaos sorcerer
Right. Did ADB have a hand in this?
tau chaos god is moronic just retcon it asap what the frick were they thinking
that the Tau exist in the galaxy? they are not a super imposed mary sue faction immune to consequence?
It's a setting for a tabletop game. Progressing the narrative is the biggest mistake they can possibly make.
Tau getting their shit kicked in by reality and grim derped is good
But that hasn't happened though (though tbf the Tau have always been the gritty pragmatists compared to the Imperium's more idealistic approach)
it has numerous times Tau fanboys are just autistic headcanoners
Your interpretation of the Tau is fricking boring.
>it has numerous times
Has it? When?
Culture exchange
Genestealers
4th sphere
Various Chaos encounters
Orks
Was a later date it had been born at that point.
>Culture exchange
It lost a single planet's population, which was able to be repopulated. Not a big deal empire-wide.
>Genestealers
What about them?
>4th sphere
Still managed to capture several planets and secured a foothold for the 5th sphere.
>Various Chaos encounters
None of which have managed to stop the Tau.
>Orks
None of which have managed to stop the Tau.
So as long as you slowly gain territory overall, none of your losses count?
I guess Chaos, Nids, Necron, and probably orks haven't lost either then
>I guess Chaos, Nids, Necron, and probably orks haven't lost either then
Correct. Except for maybe the Nids, since they've technically lost a lot and can't recover much once lost.
>they've technically lost a lot and can't recover much once lost.
Losses in 40k don't mean anything. Every single faction will always be able to repopulate or recoup any loss they experience. This goes even more so for the Nids, since they're literally just fricking surrounding the galaxy.
Tau are like the NCR in Fallout a porky written mary sue faction, with an insufferable fanbase.
>Tau are like the NCR in Fallout a porky written mary sue faction, with an insufferable fanbase
on /tg/ it is mostly one guy with no life
he will spam threads constantly for weeks, but when he finds something else to do, tau threads almost completely disappear
>he will spam threads constantly for weeks, but when he finds something else to do, tau threads almost completely disappear
You know that he does it to post Tau smut, right? Look at the archive of this week. A stupid question with an image of tau smut and then he ignores the answers to posts more tau smut.
The janitor team stamped him out so he isn't doing as much in this thread
nah, his main priority is to lure people into a discussion about powerlevels so he can spam his carefully curated list of tau powerwank taken from various sources
if he can't do that, he settles for luring dumbass moralgays who think the IoM is more morally good than officially depicted
if he is posting the smut, it is just a way of bumping
Its not that the IoM is "morally" good. Its good and it shows what being good takes in war.
No one in human history that fought war ever avoided making tough decisions
I find it deeply ironic the people who say IoM are not the good guys are the sort of people that always cheer anti-heroes.
Originally IoM was supposed to be extremely dysfunctional and dystopian, but it has slowly lost this due to the high emphasis on heroic characters
>It never wins
it wins a lot actually, most of its losses are depicted "offscreen" to counterbalance the victories and keep the grimderp tone of the setting
No one has to be told the Imperium is dystopian, this is the absurdity of marxists talking about 40k
Thank you for so efficiently proving you're illiterate so we can move on to ignoring you.
Just checked the limited edition version afterword. It says that the goddess isn't born yet. Currently it's in the same state Slaanesh was at the dawn of the Eldar empire. It says it's powerful but nowhere near the power of the Chaos Gods.
The afterword also says that the tau are incapable of religious faith. Their faith is internalized into themselves. Says that tau emotions feed Chaos but tau thoughts cannot create entities in the Warp as other races do.
They don't though. If the tau got their shit kicked in as bad as other factions would have to be in order for it to be considered "getting their shit kicked in," they would virtually be wiped out from the setting. THAT would be grim and dark.
kicked in by reality means the grim realities of the galaxy have affected them.
Which is good
How the frick are the Tau suppose to grow if they are continually ignorant of the universe.
Taking a Star Trek like alien race and dirtying them up over time is cool.
Ok I was being contrarian. I WOULD like the Tau to grow and face consequences. My problem is they went from 0 to 100 with this chaos god shit instead of dirtying them up over time and they're not going to just retcon something like that and fix their mistake.
The goddess hasn't been born yet. Slaanesh exploded the Eldar Empire.
The Emperor/Dark King was going to literally destroy all material existence with his birth.
Who knows what will happen when the goddess is born?
shes basically the goddess of control and conformity, the goddess of fascism
Don't forget cooperation.
Communal fascism.
Hopefully never. How do the tau feel about abortions?
The Tau god plot probably won't advance meaningfully for a while and may get dropped entirely if phil kelly ever leaves GW
Many 40k players don't even know it exists unless they spend a lot of time on forums or read tau novels
>if phil kelly ever leaves GW
He's been with GW 25 years and recently got a huge promotion.
Phil Kelly said on the official podcast that he hopes to write the End Times books of 40K one day.
I expect that it's mostly a plot reason for people to not be able to invade via the startide nexus.
The 8th codex doesn't mention it directly but it does mention that the fourth sphere encountered a malignant entity while inside the rift and that they witnessed the corruption of something they thought pure.
the book about it basically says
>they saw a faceless god
>it had hands to nurture and hands to destroy
>it was a blend of Tau and xenos form
>it felt sinister and revolted them
>they instantly concluded that only Tau can practice the Tau'va and all other xenos need to be killed
i like the lore because it shows the Tau did something with out really thinking about it.
They gathered together millions of psychic races and told them to have belief in the Tau'va
the whole "dream gods into existence" thing is a mistake regardless of which faction
>Tau are going full religious now
lol building pagan temples but nuhuh they dont worship. Even though they see the god in their dreams.
They are so boned lol
>Tau are going full religious now
Are they? The Tau either don't believe in the religion, or actively persecuted and killed those that worshiped.
I just think it's neat that you now have the option to say that your tau army is religious if you want.
They are, they allow worship of the Tau god and build temples for it
Yeah, some auxiliaries, and largely just in the fifth sphere, because the other option was letting the Tau that were there just fricking kill everyone.
I just want Kais to get a model. I want my Tau doomguy.
i don't know why lorelets claim the Tau some how show up the Imperium.
The Tau are literally just younger imperium going through all the crap humanity already went through.
The Votann are the actual bizarre counterpoint to the Imperium.
The frickers literally Snorkel in the warp stealing from Chaos with complete immunity laughing their ass off
>i don't know why lorelets claim the Tau some how show up the Imperium.
Mostly cause they show that much of the moronic shit the Imperium does isn't necessary
thats moronic like i said they dont the exact opposite. They show what the Imperium does is necessary.
The Votann on the other hand have solved most major issues the IoM and everyone else faces.
>They show what the Imperium does is necessary.
Not really. The Imperium is getting its ass kicked for doing 'what's necessary' while the Tau continue to grow while not doing those things.
the Imperium has 10s of thousands of years if experience more than the Tau to draw experience from.
The IoM are wise and Tau are ignorant. Yes the IoM learned to do things a certain way
>the Imperium has 10s of thousands of years if experience more than the Tau to draw experience from.
And in those tens of thousands of years the Imperium hasn't been able to reverse its decline. The IoM learned to do things the wrong way.
The IoM is deliberately doing things to maintain its survival.
Thats what you are not getting.
Its not declining at all, it evolved.
>The IoM is deliberately doing things to maintain its survival.
And failing.
If you were an economist, and your goal was to make the GDP rise, who would you listen to? The person whose economy's GDP has been falling for the past 10,000 years? Or the person whose economy has been rising for the past 2,000? By your logic, you should listen to the person with the falling economy, because they have 'more experience'.
its succeeding
one of the ad mech codexes state they are withholding technology to save it. The Ad mech does what it does as a precaution.
Its still capable of innovation eg Primaris.
>its succeeding
Not really. More humans are dead than ever. The Imperium's enemies are stronger than ever. The Imperium is weaker than ever. That's not succeeding.
The Imperium is stronger than ever
>humans die
even if it wasnt at war millions would die every minute
lol you homosexuals just cant understand 40k
>The Imperium is stronger than ever
Half of the Imperium is effectively lost and the other half is in a state of anarchy that Roboute can't even fix.
>the Imperium has literal invulnerable Primarchs walking around leading legions of custodes and super marines
>weaker
Yeah, because for example, the Lion couldn't prevent the Unforgiven from being curbstomped by Abaddon.
And the Imperium has lost every single event in 9th ed and early 10th ed.
Guiliman can't die and from what i read Lion'l can be anywhere he wants.
I have no idea how you can claim its weaker after GW upgraded them on every front
>theres more jam on the star map
to balance out the IoM getting amped up.
Both are losing. The Lion lost the battle against Vashtoor and Abaddon.
Roboute is stressed out because the Imperium is losing the war against the Tyranids and Necrons.
The Imperium is portrayed as getting weaker and weaker. It never wins.
that makes no sense as the Imperium just keeps getting stronger.
>it never wins
you are straight up lying
>Battle of Lion's Gate - Roboute Guilliman defeats a massive daemonic assault by the forces of Khorne upon the Imperial Palace. After the Battle of Lion's Gate, informally known as the "Second Battle of Terra," the High Lords of Terra realised that no place in the Imperium was now safe from an assault by the Archenemy.
why do you people have to be such c**ts about this
of Lion's Gate - Roboute Guilliman defeats a massive daemonic assault by the forces of Khorne upon the Imperial Palace. After the Battle of Lion's Gate, informally known as the "Second Battle of Terra," the High Lords of Terra realised that no place in the Imperium was now safe from an assault by the Archenemy.
That's 8th ED. Reread what I typed.
>that makes no sense as the Imperium just keeps getting stronger.
They can't even clear the east and west of Terra from heretical armies. They are in total Chaos control.
Sorry but you are just fanfictioning.
Most of the conflicts are ongoing but claiming they never win is bullshit and you are lying
Charadon ended in a L for the Imperium.
Pariah Nexus round 1 and 2 ended in an L for the Imperium.
Nachmund ended in a L for the Imperium when Haarken cleared the purged the gauntlet from Vigilus to Sangua Terra of any viable Imperial force.
I am sure I missed something else too.
Defence of the Cadian Gate - The survivors of the Fall of Cadia reinforce and successfully defend the remaining worlds of the Cadian System and the surrounding star systems of the Cadian Gate from the forces of Abaddon the Despoiler.
Retconned/Updated. The Imperial pushback into the Cadian Gate was thwarted. The Imperial defenders and Crusaders were thrown back and are being swarmed by an endless tide of Chaos armies.
You are full of shit
I am not. That's what we were told in Sea of Souls.
>it wins a lot actually, most of its losses are depicted "offscreen" to counterbalance the victories and keep the grimderp tone of the setting
Not really. Give me a single event that the Imperium won in 9th ed.
you are literally just repeating r/40k lore seethe
Ohhhh look at that. b***h has nothing.
Lol i was right frick you reddit frick go back to your sub and cry about the IoM.
Idiot hugbox gay
Hahaha what the hell was that? I can taste the tears from here. Can't give examples so you are throwing a tantrum. I will let it hang on this Anyone seeing this will laugh at you.
>Not really. Give me a single event that the Imperium won in 9th ed.
There are quite a few listed in the 9e Imperium codices and also several Imperium victories in novels written between 2020 and 2023, but I am guessing you will discount them all on the basis that the Imperium lost territory overall during the timeframe (not that there is a timeframe anymore since GW gave up on timelines and everything that has happened since 8e just kind of floats in limbo so that GW doesn't have to keep track of when events happened in relation to other events)
I meant main campaign events, no throwaway mentions. Every faction gets wins but not all of them matter. Is Fall of Cadia the same as a win on a unnamed world in some backwater region? Stop being disingenuous
>The Imperium is stronger than ever
Oh, you're trolling, okay.
its literally the nu-lore you trolling cancer.
its loterally just bakkabakka trannies, plebbitors and shidmarxoids that think Tau are utopian commies and the IoM is drumpf fascism
>its loterally just bakkabakka trannies, plebbitors and shidmarxoids that think Tau are utopian commies and the IoM is drumpf fascism
I think he is just starved for attention and making threads that are more likely to attract pol tourists
A lot of his usual threads were dying after 50 posts since all the /tg/ regulars had seen them dozens of times before
7th ed Admech codex says that the Admech are leading mankind to technological collapse.
Well, the Tau can learn from Vottan too given they have the Demiurg clan as their allies.
Obviously, Vashtorr was the patron of humanity during the Dark Age of Technology before tzeentch decided to troll him with the Iron Men rebellion.
Lore Casual, but what even seperates the Farsight Enclave from the Tau Empire? Well, aside from the Ethereal thing.
>lorelets trying to say the Imperium is weaker and going backwards
Yeah no, they have super marines, primarchs, grav tanks.
Frick even Escher can make grav vehicles
I don't hate tau for their lore, I hated them for their old rules, but their new ones are tolerable. I hate them for their aesthetic. I just CANNOT stand the gundam shit.
the original crisis suit was the ugliest thing ever. Some of the newer ones look a bit better but i hate how the Tau is too Tau fixated.
a xenos coalition with a few Tau looks so much cooler
The Imperium isn't progressive, but it is the "old decaying authoritarian empire" while the Tau are the "new sleek fascist empire" to contrast them. It's the difference between the old monarchies of Europe and the fascist states that arose after WW1.
Your obsession with callin Tau fascist is amusing.
they are fascists though
>waaa the IoM are poopy heads that always lose waaaa i hate them :~~*(
gtfo you little b***h
I mean they are basically space Israel. Do you think they are fascist?
most Tau gays or Tautists as i call them aren't worth engaging in lore discussion with. They literally ignore all the lore that makes the Tau look bad. They have a purely headcanon perception of them.
Except it's the Tau fans saying that the Tau are fascists so either you're making shit up or you're just not paying attention.
im not even joking but i think GW based the Tau on the IDF. I know one of them tried to say it was NATO or the UN.
The biggest clue is the Tau text looking just like the modern Israel font
They're based on asian culture such as their philosophy being based on confucianism and their word for human "Gue'la" sounds to what cantonese speakers call westerners "gweilo".
goy'la
Gringo is mexican
Guiri is spanish
Gora is Hindi
Guizi is mandarin
Gadjo is romani
Gaijin is japanese
The Ethereal's mind control power is actually their ability to tap into the Tau part of the brain that handles religion.
They can then force the Tau to have complete devotion to them.
They then stamped out all forms of religion out of the Tau culture.
This is why the Imperium can't understand how they do it.
All Tau society is a lie.
>Imperium are now sanitized goody two-shoes
do I want to know?
>do I want to know?
They inserted Female Custodes that were apparently "always have been," and this particular Orwellian Retcon is, of course, the downfall of Western Civilization...
The reason dislike Tau is cause they are the balkanic faction, from cultural genocide, ethnic cleansing, being allowed to follow your religion only if it complies with what the goverment tells it to, cultural chauvinistic despite having no culture and every single country being founded on "why not kill others instead of each other".
I hope next tau thread has more waifu cheescake art