In hindsight, these games were never THAT bad.
Like, yeah, they're not as good as Gens 1-4, but they did save Game Freak after they almost completely fumbled the ball.
I think it's safe to say that XY are the next best games after the classic Gen 1-4 period.
Game Freak themselves know this as well - that's why they're going back to Kalos for the next Legends game. They know the potential Kalos has and they want to give it a 2nd chance.
I think once Legends ZA comes out, people will revisit XY as well and realise that they really are underappreciated. And while they aren't masterpieces, they deserve a place next to Gens 1-4 as an honorary 'classic'.
Nah, revisiting Kalos just makes you angry.
Angry at what GF took from you, angry at how it runs better than their Switch titles, and angry XY didn't have more content since you want to keep playing it. But you finish your lap around Kalos and you're done.
What the frick am I reading, XY are just as bad as SV and SHSW.
In fact, I'm pretty sure XY are even easier than these.
>angry XY didn't have more content since you want to keep playing it.
No I fricking didn't, whole time I was wondering why I wasn't playing Emerald instead.
People white knighting the 3DS garbage are just zoomers trying to pretend they weren't their first games and part of Pokemon's downfall as much as the Switch games.
>BW wasn't the downfall
Every time.
I'd say it was BW2, the idea of making a Pokemon sequel was just straight up stupid.
>>BW wasn't the downfall
correct
Explain which game was and why without referring to things that BW started or did.
XY started it by being bad
>I-IT'S EASY!!!!
like every pokemon game, yeah
Except even the endgame content was easy.
Seriously, why would I play XY above any other game?
In fact, why would I play any 3DS or Switch game instead of HGSS or Emerald?
>Except even the endgame content was easy
Like every Pokemon game, yeah
> In fact, why would I play any 3DS or Switch game instead of HGSS or Emerald
Better QoL
Trainer customization
Matchmaking actually existing
Better Pokemon distribution
>Like every Pokemon game, yeah
No, I actually struggled with the Battle Frontier, that's great.
>Better QoL
Like what, exactly?
>Trainer customization
Probably one of the biggest wastes of time introduced in Pokemon next to Contests and Amie.
>Matchmaking actually existing
For which I have Pokemon Showdown.
>Better Pokemon distribution
You mean the same old "not-Rattatas, Geodudes and Zubats for the first half of the game" as every other game?
> No, I actually struggled with the Battle Frontier, that's great.
I actually struggled with the Battle Maison, that’s great.
>Like what, exactly?
Exp Share
Destiny Knot breeding
Easy EV training
Easy repel use
Saving not taking 10+ seconds
>Probably one of the biggest wastes of time
Yeah just like most of Emerald and HGSS.
> For which I have Pokemon Showdown
For which I have Pokemon XY.
> You mean the same old "not-Rattatas, Geodudes and Zubats for the first half of the game" as every other game?
Nope
>I actually struggled with the Battle Maison, that’s great.
How?
>Exp Share
>good
And that's it, I'm not replying anymore since it's obvious bait, enjoy the (You)s I fed you before.
Not him, but let's not pretend that the Battle Maison isn't chockful of painful RNG like any other facility.
>For which I have Pokemon XY.
you know that the 3ds is losing online capability in like 3 days? so enjoy while you can I guess lmao
>I actually struggled with (gen that declined battle facilities)
>shitty Qol that worsens the game or changes nothing for 99.999% of people.
>playing dress up (completely unrelated to the premise of pokemon games) is a waste of time on the same caliber as (games that actually prioritize Pokemon-related features like athlon or Pokestar)
>matchmaking being anything close to a big deal
>pretending XY has remotely good distribution
Like I said, there's no reason to play XY.
>if I say things don't matter they don't matter
Wow.
Saying a feature like muh Qol and player customization is bad isn't "it doesn't matter". It's actually worse.
>it’s bad because it ruins my forced narrative that XY is bad
zzzz
>schizobabble
It's bad because it's actually bad. The end goal of Qol is to hand everything to you out of the gate, meaning extra casualization. The end goal of trainer customization is to give up completely on MC design and waste all 3D modeling resources to something like it, which doesn't relate whatsoever to the premise of the game about pokemon, for an excuse to not have other models in. These make the game worse, not better. Seethe more. Your game's shit.
>The end goal of Qol is [FANFIC]
>The end goal of trainer customization is [FANFIC]
zzz
>The end goal of Qol is to hand everything to you out of the gate
Gen 5 started the qol trend.
>The end goal of trainer customization is to give up completely on MC design and waste all 3D modeling resources to something like it
What they should just do is have a set MC, and then let you customize it for multiplayer modes.
I think the story suffers by having the MC be a blank slate.
>I can dress Serena to be a loose gyaru
>this is actively harmful to gameplay
Yes, that's actively harmful to gameplay.. Sorry you're eternally cooming.
>Yes, that's actively harmful to gameplay
Gringos.
>N-NUH UH!!
man, this is the best XY detractors can do?
Pokemon distribution in XY is terrible. Everything that should be rare or lategame is instead early and easy to find.
ORAS had so much content it was insane. Not as much as B2W2 but still
Your shitposting isnt really picking up Anon.
>XY are just as bad as SV and SHSW
I forgot the part of XY where you fell through the floor and over half the pokedex was paywalled.
>classic Gen 1-4
yeah i started replaying x after the plza announcement its pretty comfy, i really like amie and the roller skates. i never realised that in amie you can make faces with your pokemon when i originally played, just randomly discovered it because braixen tilted her head and i copied her kek
most the pokemon from this gen are good too which is a nice change from gen5
>I think it's safe to say that XY are the next best games after the classic Gen 1-4 period.
Easily best games in the series.
Theyre the best games after Sun and Moon
Or gen 7 and gen 6 in total
Legends arceus and SV DLCs are maybe at their level
gen 3 and 6 are the only good game in this shit franchise
Yeah, the XY hatred has always been over-exaggerated. Pokemon slowly went off the deep-end after Gen II, and XY were somewhat of a brief return to form after a decade of disappointing games.
You can't even find a fricking full odds shiny in gen 6. In B2W2 you have the shiny charm which is horse shit and shouldn't exist but at least it's optional. In gen 6 you have boosted shiny odds ALL THE TIME with no way to get them back to normal
Might be the most autistic complaint of XY I've ever heard. I'm a hater but man this just petty.
>I'm a hater
No you aren't.
Not once have i played a game and thought, man if only shinys were rarer.
Then you haven't played any game past gen 5.
discord stopped trying
write paragraphs of cope about how gen 5 is bad and gen 6 is good or don't try at all
You sure about that bro?
Nice inspect element bro
>bro
newbie
>We got you cornered! Come get your free 31 IVs out of fricking nowhere!
nah
>replies to 8 posts from 8 "unique" posters
>gets 1 reply
Strange.
>wtf, why haven't those 8 people from 2 hours ago all responded to me within 5 minutes?????
You are a fricking moron lmfao
You're really sticking to the story that those posts are not all you. Why bother? Everybody knows you have no life.
only you're moronic enough to be staring at the same thread for 2 hours straight lmao
>Like, yeah, they're not as good as Gens 1-4
XY is better than Gen 4 outside of arguably HGSS. I've never seen an argument that proves otherwise.
i fricked your mom with my 10" wiener
luv kanto
luv johto
luv kalos
'ate 'nova
'ate 'lola
'ate galar
simple as
>game is too piss easy
>unbalanced exp share
>soulless desaturated 3d models
>boring rivals and gym leaders characters overall
>moronic evil team and leader
>forgettable story
>AZ lore never went anywhere other than vague backstory
>forced KANTOOOOO pandering and free mega lucario handed to the player making the game more piss easy
>only maison and friend safari “postgame”
>>game is too piss easy
exp share
applies to every pokemon game except gen 7 and 9
desaturated 3d models
subjective
rivals and gym leaders characters overall
evil team and leader
>forgettable story
applies to every pokemon game except gen 7 and 9
>>AZ lore never went anywhere
the lore not matching your fanfic doesn't mean it went anywhere
KANTOOOOO pandering
applies to every pokemon game except gen 7 and 9
>>only maison and friend safari “postgame”
shoving breeding and fossils and fishing and good pokemon distribution to after the credits doesn't magically make the game better
wow, it's fricking nothing
you know XY is good when people unironically try to use "K-KANTO POKEMON SHOW UP" as a fricking critique
>you know XY is good when people unironically try to use "K-KANTO POKEMON SHOW UP" as a fricking critique
Surely you can see the irony of you saying this, yawngay
Everyone can see where the divide between good pokemon games (gens 1-5 and bad pokemon games (gens 6+) is. No matter how hard nugen shills try to blur the line or argue there are "outliers" (there aren't). Literally everybody can see the obvious at first glance, the only people you're going to "convince" are other shitposters.
> Everyone can see where the divide between good pokemon games (gens 1-5 and bad pokemon games (gens 6+) is
This.
>"an improvement upon sinnoh's honey trees"
>you can't get any rare pokemon from it
just like sinnoh's honey trees
>Heracross
>Munchlax
neither of those are rare
Anon, everyone knows how moronic the Munchlax shit is in DPPt. lets not even bother pretending.
>NOOOO IT'S RARE SO IT DOESN'T COUNT
Why are you even replying, honestly
skill issue
>breed Snorlax
>suddenly it isn’t rare anymore
wow
You are silly
The cut-off point is either after gen 4 or after gen 6.
Gen 5 cant be "old classics" without gen 6, but it can certainly be "nu-gens" alongside gen 6+.
gen 5 is the cutoff because it's good and gen 6 is shit
Brilliant
>Gen 5
>good
Nah, nice try though
>groups gen5 with 1-4
According to Masuda they're grouped together
doesn't matter gen5 is shit
They weren't bad, just bland.
I find it funny that they showed this lagging in the trailer
Usually you'd be showing what looks good
Yeah but they had to show something
BW are better than XY too
Nope.
They are. Stay delusional
Unova is not included in the classic Gens 1-4 + 6 I'm afraid. Sorry.
Neither is kalos, 'cordniglet.
BW1 are trash, BW2 are fine, as follow up games are usually fine (Yellow being the exception).
Yellow is the best Kanto experience, it improved upon RB in every way.
the sequel, sure
Not the base game
XY single handedly destroyed the gym structure of every previous pokemon game that they had to completely reimagine the series in SM. Lmao. These games are trash. It fricked up so hard we're still trying to fix things three gens later
There isn't anything that XY does good
>best bottom screen UI in the series
>best multiplayer features in the series
>best single battle facility in the series
>best berry farming system in the series
>best fishing system in the series
>trainer customization
>good animations with absurd attention to detail put into all 700+ pokemon while not also slowing the game down to a crawl like the shitty GCN and Wii games
>tons of attention to detail put into the graphics in general, with multiple battles having completely unique battle backgrounds even if they’re only used once in the story, and backgrounds that are actually intractable
>drastically improved breeding and EV training QoL
>good pokemon and route variety that makes the routes actually FUN instead of dogshit repel walking simulators
>tons of replayable optional content such as inverse battles, restaurant battles, hotel work, super training and amie minigames, etc
B-BUT A KANTO POKEMON SHOWED UP IN THE GAME SO THAT MEANS IT DOES N-NOTHING WELL!!!
>A KANTO POKEMON SHOWED UP IN THE GAME
I've never understood this complaint. Why do people on /vp/ pretend to hate Kanto Pokemon when it comes to Gens 2-6 specifically? I've never once heard complaints about Kanto Pokemon in Gens 7-9. Is this something manufactured by Unova fans because their region had 0 Kanto Pokemon until the postgame?
>I've never once heard complaints about Kanto Pokemon in Gens 7-9
Hello newbie
it's more like people pretend to hate Kanto Pokemon in gen 6+
meanwhile they also think Platinum and its gameplay that's 90% just Geodude showing up on the screen is the peak of pokemon
it's just morons looking for an excuse to shit on newer games because they can't find any actual arguments
It's autism.
Literally - there are people on this board right now that think you can ONLY use the new Pokemon from that generation. So if you're playing Emerald, you HAVE to make a full team of Gen 3 mons OR ELSE, and any mons you see from other regions are just props and/or enemies for you to destroy.
then whats the point of a new generation if you can stop using fricking charizard
Oh gee, I don't know maybe...
>new story
>new characters
>new progression system (instead of the 8 badges every time)
>new game mechanics (e.g. contests from Gen 3, underground from Gen 4 etc.)
>new postgame content
>the fact that EVERY GEN HAS BROUGHT BACK THE VETERAN MONS SINCE GEN 2
You fricking moron
>>new postgame content
not in X/Y
>>the fact that EVERY GEN HAS BROUGHT BACK THE VETERAN MONS SINCE GEN 2
lol hope you played with your favorite starter in Sword
>I play pokemon for anything but the monsters
I lol again
>I play pokemon for anything but the monsters
What are you even talking about? When I got SwSh I got it with the DLC straight away so I had Squirtle and Dratini on my team almost immediately. Because I like them and hate all the shitty new designs. I play the every new Gen explicitly for the mons that I like, most of which are Gens 1 and 2. You are a schizo.
Are you fricking moronic? People complain about Kanto Pokemon in Alola and Galar constantly
did you not have leon and his charizard shoved down your throat constantly?
regional forms
>best bottom screen UI in the series
The UI is ugly and slow.
>best multiplayer features in the serie
4 and 5 do it better
>best single battle facility in the series
Lmao
>best berry farming system in the series
You mean made obtaining berries boring and tedious.
>best fishing system in the series
Lmal
>trainer customization
Gen 4, 7, 8 and 9 did it better
>good animations with absurd attention to detail put into all 700+ pokemon while not also slowing the game down to a crawl like the shitty GCN and Wii games
Lmao
>tons of attention to detail put into the graphics in general, with multiple battles having completely unique battle backgrounds even if they’re only used once in the story, and backgrounds that are actually intractable
Lmao
>drastically improved breeding and EV training QoL
Casualization.
>good pokemon and route variety that makes the routes actually FUN instead of dogshit repel walking simulators
There's zero route variety in Kalos. They're all basically straight lines.
>tons of replayable optional content such as inverse battles, restaurant battles, hotel work, super training and amie minigames, etc
Not really there's no content even in the post game.
>Smallest and shittiest dex.
>Worst gyms, E4 and champion.
>Megas are the worst gimmick.
>Ugly as frick graphics.
>Terrible music.
>Nothing to do in Kalos.
>First game to remove a shit load of content/features from previous game and not replacing it with adequate content/features.
>Lysandre and Flare are the most moronic villains.
>Kalos has no identity.
Yeah no the games were bad
>First game to remove a shit load of content/features from previous game and not replacing it with adequate content/features
That was BW
>maybe if I make up lies and put them in greentext people will believe me
game to remove a shit load of content/features from previous game and not replacing it with adequate content/features
But enough about Kalos
>Never THAT bad.
True they were worse.
They were the first game to dumb everything down for moronic children.
yeah bro totally
Nice glorified hallways.
>squeezes them all into one image to hide how simple they are
Lmao
Gen 5 was the first region to do this - there's a reason that Unova is known for being a hallway region
>Gen 5 was the first region to do this
Wrong. It's a shitpost from people that take the world map at face value. Anyone who plays it knows that most routes aren't linear at all, not to mention how incredible the dungeons were.
>play unova
>most of the routes are linear
What do I do now?
>play unova
You didn't play it, you just parrot discordtroony shit, you homosexual.
Unova is a linear game, by definition - there is a roadblock at the end of every town/city that stops you from exploring.
I agree with that, but to say that the routes are straight line is straight up disingenuous.
It’s even more disingenuous to say it with Kalos.
>Platinum out of nowhere.
Why does Sinnoh make kalostroonz so angry?
Inferiority complex
The Sinnoh haterbase are the pokemon community's very own chris-chans
gen4 and gen6 are both kino
>actually Kalos having no good pokemon that players wanna use is actually a good thing!
>please ignore how greninja and sylveon are some of the most popular pokemon in the series
>Flopninja
Lol
does anyone else think it's weird how NO ONE brings up gen 7 in these threads?
you know, the gen that removed the national dex among countless other series staples despite being on the same hardware as XY?
The people trying to paint gen 7 as an "outlier" that is actually good piss me off. Literally "it's different so it's good"
everything after gen6 is shit that's probably why kek
no need to mention gen 7, it is known that it is a nu-gen shit gen. It also ruined gen 6 in retrospect, as it got rushed out early for the anniversary, thus skipping a Zed game.
It's a pretty clear sign since gen 6 that they were shifting from having a ton of singleplayer options to opening the game up for multiplayer. Every game post gen 5 has had some sort of "multiplayer hub" outside of LGPE and PLA that they expect to you get a ton of usage out of. I assume that they thought that you'd sort of battles with friends or strangers and be satisfied.
XY get a lot of shit, but they were a very good start for 3D Pokemon.
>makes fully 3D models
>makes 2.5D environments
>introduces Megas
>keeps dungeons
>has various optional areas to explore
>makes wi-fi access seamless and the best in franchise history
>has a bit of postgame with Looker
>adds customization
It was ORAS, SM, and USUM that shit the bed and made the 3DS era of games total shit. Had they built upon and expanded on what XY did, instead of taking features way, the 3DS games would have been incredible.
>Best game
Yeah, sure, whatever you say, moron.
Gen 4 isn't classic, dumb zoomer. It's on the DS, therefore it can't be classic.
>I think once Legends ZA comes out, people will revisit XY as well and realise that they really are underappreciated. And while they aren't masterpieces, they deserve a place next to Gens 1-4 as an honorary 'classic'.
that is already happening thanks to homosexuals like you
in 2 years you are going to claim that Sword and Shit are the best experiences
so frick off gay
I personally played with Ya lot more than sword and scarlet
I miss the Area Nav
Pokemon only went to shit when they cut gen 6 short (no Zed game) and rushed out gen 7.
Remember that gen 7 is the gen that started the removal of the national pokedex (SMUSUM) and at its tail end even started dexit early (LGPE).
So over the last year, I spent a bunch of time 100%'ing my Gen 6 and 7 games, so I had to replay through XY/ORAS a couple times to do everything, and yeah. I was too hard on them. They're fun.
Still my 2nd to last favorite generation, only beating out SWSH. They're definitely where the decline in quality and craftsmanship started, and I don't think I'll ever truly forgive them for that.
But they're at least adequate, I guess.
I found that I personally was being a massive moron because I kept using Emerald as the standard as opposed to the exception for games in the series.
They're certainly not my all time favorites, but I definitely like X and Y more now that I got the idea about having a Battle Frontier outside of gens 3 and 4 out of my head.
Next to Emerald my favorite game has been Sword[/spoiler[
>Megas are back
>Models were updated
>Lumiose City is getting a whole game
>B Team has nothing else to do this year
In the end, I’m thinking Kalos won
>Megas are shit
>Models are objectively ugly
>1 zone for the whole game
>Game will flop
Kek
I see the seething has already started. Get well soon!
Funny how this is the exact opposite of what's happening across all the medium people show their replays. Currently, everyone understandably went back and replayed XY to get caught up before ZA, and it's laughable to watch them slowly realize it was complete fricking shit.
Surely you can provide evidence of this then.
Surely you can spend two seconds on any stream on any platform and realize this for yourself without a random spoon-feeding you constantly.
>cant
wow did NOT see that coming !!!
I can, but I won't. Why is spoonfeeding you my job? Sorry you refuse to even examine the evidence yourself.
>I can, but I won't.
Translation: You can't. I accept your concession.
>can't spend two seconds on any stream on any platform and realize this for yourself without a random spoon-feeding you constantly.
Why is spoonfeeding you my job? Sorry you refuse to even examine the evidence yourself.
>doesn’t provide evidence
KEK
>YOU'RE JUST MAD THAT I NEED TO BE SPOONFED LIKE AN INFANT
Nah, more disappointment in modern humanity if this is what it's come to. Your slick-posting won't work.
XY are one of the few games in the series where the female protagonist has a worse design than the male.
eh I’d rape em both
Why is quality of life stuff controversial lately? XP share or letting you manage EVs were great, simple changes that other games in the genre were already doing. Made Gen 6 fun to revisit and less of a chore.
The exp share is only really an issue with SwSh onwards because you can't turn it off.
I did like the freedom to toggle it yes, since the party doesn’t always need shared growth.
I have yet to play the Switch games personally.
"QoL" has gained the connotation of handing the player everything for free with absolutely zero engagement, most often seen in difficulty hacks where they'll let you change the time of day or force certain encounters or alter every aspect of a pokemon with minimal effort.
i personally dislike it because it allows both the dev and the player to circumvent bad mechanics instead of fixing or removing them. if you put me in charge of the next pokemon game i wouldn't add some npc who can adjust your mon's IVs, i'd remove IVs from the game entirely because they're stupid and pointless.
>Why is quality of life stuff controversial lately?
DStards need SOMETHING they can grasp on to pretend their poorly designed childhood games are better than the newer games.
But those have massive qol updates from their predecessors. Your claim makes no sense.
>gens 8 and 9 completely torpedo public opinion on Pokemon into the ground
>shills say this is fine because of QoL
>people question if QoL is really that worthwhile
>reeeeeee heckin DStards you have inconsistent standards
>moron tries to conflate gen 6 with gen 8 and 9 because he can’t actually find problems with gen 6
this sure seems to happen a lot
Is QoL that worthwhile?
Can you find actual problems with gen 6?
Topic changed to the "QoL Conspiracy" browno. Is QoL that worthwhile?
>Topic changed
No it hasn’t.
20 years and STILL no legitimate criticism against Gen 6. Crazy.
I'm a huge Sinnohgay and i'm very fond of B/W but i can't see what these games (the originals, not Platinum or BW2, as it's unfair to compare these) has over X/Y. It's the same shit, besides difficulty, which isn't a huge deal considering it's fricking Pokémon.
X/Y actually has more than enough features that makes up for its flaws, and it was an ambitious leap for the series. Just compare the leap that X/Y had over 5th gen with something like DPPT and R/S/E to see what i'm talking about. You can make a much stronger case against shit like S/M, Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet which didn't do anything for the series besides pointless gimmicks and downgrades when it came to level design
Thanks for the review. Unfortunately for you I shall continue to play whatever games I want and that does not include XY.
Sick burn! I bet you're the "baddest" kid in school!
Gen VI did one thing right.
allowing you to complete the national pokedex with only the gen 6 games instead of the dumb shit that gen 3-5 did. gen 4 was close but required you to transfer the regis with a gba slot ds and r/s/e
I agree. It was the last gen with the national dex (gen 7 soft removed it and gen 8 hard removed it) so it was nice that it ended up fully completable within it's own gen/console without needing 10 peripherals and 4 spin off gamre
The 3DS games are the Pokemon equivalent to the Star Wars prequels. Just because the entries afterwards are worse, zoomers are now acting they are actually good.
>star wars analogy
This is the best unovagays can come up with.
>they’re worse but I won’t actually explain how they’re worse, I’ll just keep saying they’re worse over and over and hope people will eventually agree with me
The Gameboy games are the Pokemon equivalent to the Dune 1984 version. Just because the entries afterwards are better, boomers are now acting they were actually good.
parroting is an admission of defeat
spamming "parroting is an admission of defeat" is an admission of defeat
parroting is an admission of defeat
So is using star wars analogies but look at you go.
>everyone who disagrees with me is one person
I know you have autism and can't tell anons apart but everyone else can see that you're that guy.
Yeah your typing style is extremely recognizable honestly you're not fooling anyone dude, it's pretty sad how much time you spend on this board trolling
I accept your admission then.
Schizo
Oh the irony
Can't be a Kalos thread without it's biggest defenders crying and seething about Unova. Why are Kalosperms so fricking obsessed and mindbroken by Gen 5 in particular?
it's one guy
It's yawngay, seething about the DS era is what he does the most
Sistergens.
At this point somebody should make a Kalos defense/Unova detractor bingo sheet because I swear I've seen 90% of these posts before