>In just one gen, Staraptor went from eternal BL hell to PU
 Ape Out Shirt $21.68 |
 Tip Your Landlord Shirt $21.68 |
Ape Out Shirt $21.68 |
>In just one gen, Staraptor went from eternal BL hell to PU
>In just one gen, Staraptor went from eternal BL hell to PU
Ape Out Shirt $21.68 |
Tip Your Landlord Shirt $21.68 |
Ape Out Shirt $21.68 |
>in just one gen, arbitrary fanfic that changes what it decides to ban on a whim of 5 people did thing
why should I care
You cared enough to reply to the thread.
caring about replying != caring about moronic fanfic formats
two replies
want to go for a third, or do you plan to stop before you make a complete fool of yourself
Fanfic meta > cart
I don't know why we ever ceded ground to the cartsharts by legitimizing their bootlicker format. Imagine actually giving money to Game Freak in this day and age after they've continuously spit in everyone's faces over and over again.
spbp, every reply below it is a smogshill post or trollpost, including this one.
Arcaninebros... Hold me...
PU it stinks
At least we have VG- ACK
Regional form is decent at least
>Dondozo and Ursaluna-Bad Manners ended up falling off in their debut generation even with all of the strengths they have due to intragenerational power creep
I fricking hate Gay Freak so much.
Incredible how a mon with fricking 555 BST, great movepool and intimidate can be considered a shitmon now
Not a single one of those stats are above 110, Mono Fire isn't a particularly standout typing and it's support movepool for singles isn't that great. All of these are a death knell in a hyper minmaxed environment like Gen 9.
Plus there's a better version now.
STAB Head Smash is just unfair, especially with Rock Head.
252 Atk Choice Band Arcanine-Hisui Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 220-261 (43.6 - 51.7%) -- 10.9% chance to 2HKO
This thing can 2HKO Dondozo with just rocks up. Sticky Webs being as good as they are is vital to H-Arcanine being able to rip apart teams.
>555 BST
Its stats are actually pretty mediocre since they're distributed so poorly. Intimidate was never busted in Singles, at least not to the level of abilities like Regenerator or Magic Guard are. Its move pool is also not great in Singles since it lacks a lot of coverage, can't set up and sweep, and it doesn't have useful utility in Singles. It's got Will-o-Wisp, but so do plenty of other Pokemon.
Arcanine is too well rounded to hold on in a meta where even stronger well-rounded Pokemon like Mew, Celebi, Regidrago, and Suicune are considered shitmons.
Post usage per tier
>"competitive" pokémon
Lando won, BIGLY
I
KNEEEEEEL
Inteleon really is that Squidward meme compared to the other two Galar starters KEK
Sad thing is that it has the stats, it's just let down by a nothing gimmick ability (that's unfortunately context appropriate and incredibly fitting, meaning it's unlikely to ever change) and shallow movepool. If it had a reliable way to hit Steels SE and something that consistently bolstered it's offensive prowess it'd probably be one of those "sits in UU but can be used in OU" mons.
The other two have broken abilities while Inteleon is stuck with a meme ability.
Is Deoxys gonna finish the climb to Ubers like it always has in the past?
Nah, there's too many other HO leads that can do similar roles and the offensive sets are also good but nothing too crazy either.
DRAGAPULT W HOLY SHIT
ALSO TIME TO GO MAKE FUN OF SKARMOKEKS
Tick tock troony cat. UU soon
Imagine telling someone that primarina would be the starter with the higher usage
>Best starter in OU is Primarina
Thanking her lucky stars Tapu Fini got deleted
>Only water starters are mammals
Nothing personal scalie+featherygays
Emboar? Blaziken? Pikachu and Eevee?
>reading comprehension: 0%
Sorry, but I'm legitimately ESL so you're going to have to explain what you meant.
He’s referring to only the mammalian water starters seeing use. He’ll feel stupid when Game Freak decides to suck off GreBlack person again.
>Only water starters are mammals
Grooky is a fricking monkey.
Smogcuck tearing apart the tier apart to keep Landoshit #1
>The year is 2077
>We're on Gen 45 now
>Lando-T is still Top 10
I think he might just be immortal.
So its confirmed he would still be n1 if he got back his movepool from gen8
I'm pretty sure Kingambit would still be #1 even if Lando-T was unnerfed. Lando can fit on every team, but he's not a wincon. Kingambit basically guarantees you win the game in the long run so long as you can win the Sucker Punch mind games.
>Dragonite holding firm
Lando is so keyed
why the frick is torkoal so popular, what the hell did I miss
drought
Better than Ninetales too because it spins and sets up wieners and fires 300BP eruptions
Finally, the efforts to bring Landorus-T back to the top paid off!
we are so back salt bros
damn nobody using Rotom-Heat in the NU tier, FRICK NU players!!!!
> Pelipper and Barraskewda fall down
what wrong with Rain??
Archaludon ban
Toxakeks? Is it over?
Great, I hope next season they remove toxic from it
Why Pex got fricked unlike Shitdorus?
Toxapex lost its Scald privileges this gen, which was a massive dent to its viability.
Don't forget it also lost Knock Off so its 2 main ways of making progress got lost.
Landorus lost its utility moves but it got some special attacks so now it's just inferior Landorus-I, and Landorus-I is an Ubers Pokemon. It usually runs Stealth Rocks, Earth Power, and Grass Knot.
Pex, meanwhile, has Chilling Water and Toxic and that's it.
No one is scared of Toxapex switching in and doing nothing in front of them. Loads of Pokemon are afraid of Landorus hitting them with Earth Power/Earthquake.
shill unova privilege as always
There's precisely 5 Gen-5-mons in OU out of 43 Pokemon. For reference, there are 10 Gen-8-mons and 16 Gen-9-mons.
>16 mons after a frick ton of bans
TOTAL GEN 9 DEATH
Too many bulky Poisons in UU
Lando got taunt this gen and has started to run special sets that win against things like Tusk/Zamazenta, it could still adapt even if it lost Knock Off, Toxic and Defog. Toxapex meanwhile lost all forms of progress making and is just incredibly passive now.
other tier usage
miraidon W
>NU’s 3rd and 4th rankings
Its destiny
>putting your twitter handle on an image as low-effort as that
i fricking hate the modern internet
the KING of NU may change but the QUEEN of NU will never die
Im surprised moltres is actually in RU,I still use it on my OU team and it does very well
How are they going to nerf Koraidon and Miraidon? Seriously, those two are way overtune to the point that they are planning to ban BOTH OF THEM to AG. How the frick did Gamefreak not learn with Zacain?
Just nerf the ability like they did with Zacian. I think it's intentional design at this point to make the generational cover legens broken as frick then nerf them for the next gen.
> Goodra, Grimmsnarl, Heracross, Milotic, Rotom-Heat, Slowbro-G, Staraptor and Toxtricity moving to PU
not even a April Fools Joke, F*CK!!!!
this post is already here:
>Snorlax in PU
top zozzle, that's for gens 1 and 2 fricker
Snorlax is also really good in Gen 3. In Gen 4, it's OU through legacy even though the meta shifts have made it fall off hard like Infernape, Aerodactyl, Machamp, and Heracross. Gen 4 is basically just a stall gen at this point since most KOs are through whittling down Pokemon with residual damage from Stealth Rocks, Spikes, and Sandstorm.
Saying Gen 4 is stall just isn't true and I don't even like it competitively. Gen 4 OU has like the 3rd lowest turn count on average out of every generation.
>In just one gen, Staraptor went from eternal [FANFIC] hell to [SCHIZO FANFIC]
>Mons in PU you would think shouldn't be anywhere near that tier
Gen 9 is truly peak powercreep
I've been away from competitive, what made iron boulder fall off?
New toy syndrome wore off
ahhhh should have known
Shit typing Ghost/Dark/Ground/Uturn weakness is especially awful and being a tera sink is not a good sign for viability. Needs SD or else it hits like a wet noodle. Loses hard to strong priority from Kingambit and Rillaboom. Since it's awful typing makes it want to switch out a lot it just isn't a good Quark Speed abuser compared to actually good Iron mons like Val/Treads/Moth, even Jugulis can offer some more value with Booster Speed and some key resistances.
homie its a fricking rock type what more do you need to know
Time to summon Lucifer (aka Yawngay).
Rock, the way it is right now, is simply unacceptable and needs buffs. Also Yawngay is a Black person whose opinions are worthless.
ice also needs a buff.
I would actually argue that psychic its just as bad or even worse
Psychic is definitely worse than Rock
>Darks and Ghosts everywhere
>U-Turn weakness
>Fighting resistance offset by usually ass defenses/hp
Psychic still paying for their sins of 25 years ago
Meanwhile the top 3 Pokemon in Gen 1 are all Normal types.
When people say "Gen 1 Psychic" they're literally only referring to Mewtwo, who was singlehandedly so broken that it made Psychic as a whole look like the most bullshit type in the game despite that honor generally going to Normal, as you pointed out.
Mew also exists, but it would maybe be more broken in gen 1 than mewtwto if it was a normal type.
As if Exeggutor, Starmie, Alakazam and even Slowbro were not top tier threats
>Exeggutor
It's mostly used as the most reliable sleep spreader in a gen where disabling is its strongest.
>Starmie
It doesn't even commonly run Psychic. Blizzard, Thunder Wave, Recover, and Surf are used more often.
>Slowbro
It's an okay late game cleaner. You have to get rid of Zapdos and Chansey before it can do anything.
It's also because nothing could threaten psychic super effectively. The only bug moves and ghost move were unusable garbage.
Same thing with Normal. Submission was slightly better, but not good enough or reliable enough to really be considered a weakness. The Fighting types were also equally as dogshit as the Bug types in Gen 1. Normal effectively had no weaknesses. Psychic was /slightly/ better defensively since they also came with a Psychic resistance, but Normal types are considered better defensively since they're immune to paralysis from Body Slam.
I kind of agree that, in full context, normal might be the superior type. It depends on how much mewtwo and mew tip the scales. Having stab on shit like hyper beam and body slam plus no slam para is more consistently good than having stab psychic, given that rocks are your only realistic concern while psychics have to deal with the common resists (starmie, exeggutor, etc.)
Even the meta rocks don't pose as much a threat as they should to normal types thanks to their batshit insane TM coverage, it's very common form to package your normals with Blizzard to threaten Rhydon and Golem due to their abhorrent special stats.
The Top 3 are two Psychics and a Normal.
The top 3 in standard play are all Normal. Restricted Pokemon aren't counted for obvious reasons.
it was a shitmon all along
are UU gods shitmons?
Everything in UU is viable in OU
while usually true, sometimes the UU mon has a strictly better OU counterpart in the same role meaning it's objectively a suboptimal pick
and there are some cases where low ladder shitters spam a mon to make it stay UU even if it belongs in RU and probably isn't actually viable in OU
People who competitively play nintendo games have to be masochistic. The company actively works against compgays and will turn the entire scene upside down on a pindrop. It's no wonder most compgays are smelly, autistic boylovers.
https://discord.gg/uPCrZrS6
They need to ban more stuff
>Feraligatr in NU
quickban incoming
Gyarados was in NU for a couple of weeks. NU has Quagsire, Avalugg, and Thundurus so I think Feraligatr will be fine.
Feraligatr is better than Gyarados atm
If Gyarados got banned, then Feraligatr should too since it hits harder
Gyarados is non-negligibly bulkier and has a nice immunity. When Flygon, Krookodile, and Mienshao have such high usage in the tier, that Flying typing and extra bulk are incredibly useful.
Nah
The flying type also fricks it since it’s no longer neutral to rocks, and has no flying stab
It’s more of a Tera hog than gatr
Gatr will probably end up getting banned because it doesn’t need to worry about rocks or quad weaknesses, while being more immediately threatening since it hits harder and has a better move pool to take advantage of
>The flying type also fricks it since it’s no longer neutral to rocks, and has no flying stab
Most Gyarados Tera anyways. It's a pretty good candidate for HDB since it doesn't really lack power, can't appreciably run Choice items, and doesn't need the chip healing from Leftovers.
Quagsire is a meme pick against Feraligatr, one layer of spikes and it gets 2HKO'd by Adamant Liquidation, two layers and even Jolly takes it down. Not to mention Trailblaze variants. Avalugg is real though, Feraligatr can't break through it.
It's time to break the emergency glass of giving Garchomp Dragon Dance. The meta can handle it.
>Heracross in PU
>Arcanine in PU
>Emboar in PU
>Duraludon (with Eviolite) in PU
>Staraptor in PU
>Glowbro in PU
>Pawmot in PU
>Toxtricity in PU
>Slime Dragon in PU
>Inceleon in PU
>ScRotom-Heat in PU
>Milotic in PU
>Flamigo in PU
Look, all I'm saying is maybe Terrakion would actually be okay in PU.
PU these mons stink
>these mons stink
Most of them are Gen 4 OU-worthy. It's crazy how far powercreep has come.
>pelipper and barraskewda in UU
wow. archaludon getting banned made rain teams irrelevant.
They don't have any good Grass resists anymore. Ferrothorn is gone and Archaludon was too strong. Now they have no answer to Rillaboom clicking Grassy Glide x6
Feraligatrbros…
Its ugliness is only fitting for NU.
>Its ugliness is only fitting for NU.
I fricking hate Kingambit
>Play Gen 3 OU
>See Milotic and Heracross in PU
Fricking kek
Some of these Pokemon were even UU staples /this/ gen. Oricorio, Heracross, and Flamigo were UU just this gen, and power creep has dropped them to PU mere months later.
When are Luigi and Haha dropping from ubers? Generation of weakness has no business in any banlist, if anything they need their own JU tier below ZU.
In this gen theres no way any of those is dropping,tera poison/steel calm mind lugia would be too much too handle in OU and ho ho is still a good pick in ubers
Ho Oh is like top10 Ubers
inb4 PUBL.
>Gen 1 mons in OU: 2 (4.6%)
>Gen 2 mons in OU: 2 (4.6%)
>Gen 3 mons in OU: 2 (4.6%)
>Gen 4 mons in OU; 4 (9.3%)
>Gen 5 mons in OU: 5 (11.6%)
>Gen 6 mons in OU: 0 (0%)
>Gen 7 mons in OU: 2 (4.6%)
>Gen 8 mons in OU: 7 (16.3%)
>Gen 9 mons (+ Hisui mons) in OU: 19 (44.2%)
Gen 6 dex was really filled with a bunch of shitters lol
>Greninja got both of its abilities nerfed
>Aegislash was the first Pokemon to get stat nerfs
>Talonflame got gutted
>no mega Pokemon around
It’s a hard life being a Kalosmon
>Only 1 Kalosmon got a mega
>The only 3 Kalosmons that were meta got nerfed to the ground
Gamefreak really fricking hates Kalosmons, people talk about Johto being full of shitmons but at least the likes of Skarmory, Scizor, Blissey and Tyranitar had decades of success and never got such direct nerfs.
What happened to boo-boo keys? I haven't played competitive in years but I remember that thing used to be all over the place
lol lmao in what universe
XY
In Gen 7, they nerfed Prankster so that it would not take effect on Dark-types.
Gen 5 really stands out there. It's the only generation from before the 2020s that has >10% representation in OU.
Hisui-mons should count towards Gen 8, though, even if they only became usable in standard play in Gen 9.
There's a reason Masuda calls it his Magnum Opus
>>Gen 6 mons in OU: 0 (0%)
Every good gen 6 mon got nerfed to oblivion.
>>Gen 6 mons in OU: 0 (0%)
The Absolute State of Kaloskeks
Here's the stats for the top 40 Pokemon in VGC
>Gen 1: 1 (2.5%)
>Gen 2: 2 (5%)
>Gen 3: 1 (2.5%)
>Gen 4: 1 (2.5%)
>Gen 5 : 5 (12.5%)*
>Gen 6: 0 (0%)**
>Gen 7: 1 (2.5%) ***
>Gen 8: 9 (22.5%)
>Gen 9: 20 (50%)
*3 out of the 5 Gen 5 Pokemon are Genies. It's Lando-I, Lando-T, and Tornadus-I.
** The highest ranked Gen 6 Pokemon is Sylveon at 79th place
***Literally just Incineroar. The 2nd highest ranked Gen 7 Pokemon is Primarina, ranked 44, and 3rd is A-Ninetales, ranked 46.
Also, at 49%, Incineroar has higher cumulative usage than every single Gen 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 Pokemon combined.
How is Game Freak going to nerf Flutter Mane for Gen 10? It doesn't care about its ability already, the Paradox Pokemon all have 570 BST so it can't have a BST nerf, and it's still incredibly strong without Tera.
The only way I can see them nerfing it is by nerfing Fairy and/or Ghost.
55/55/55/135/135/135 -> 65/65/65/125/125/125
Dexcut
They don't give a shit about BST, they took away points from Cresselia even though it made her no longer equal with Darkrai
Wait wtf I only noticed this now,why from all the stupid shit running around did cresselia get nerfed
VGCissies whined that the bulky Psychic type was too bulky and too supportive. Trick Room is busted in Doubles and nothing could kill Cresselia before it got Trick Room up.
Frick Shit Freak and their premium powercreep.
VGC is pay-to-win dogshit, which is why all the busted dogshit are DLC locked.
>Urshifu, Ogerpon, Ursaluna bloodmoon
Raging Bolt, Gouging Fire, Terapagos soon enough
Gen 9
Mistake
This, already ready for Gen 10 or Legends Z-A if it has competitive.
>smogon mentioned in 2024
>just kys thank you!
Hey Verlisify
Gen 9 competitive is pure garbage
Can't help it. Dexcut + generational gimmicks mean we're never getting a good meta again.
Dexcut is good. Imagine if those doshit ultra beasts and tapus were here. It would be fricking unplayable.
The beasts weren't that bad, come on now
I was hoping the Tapus would return with Expanding Force and Rising Voltage so they could be banned from OU tbqhwy.
Dexcut removed a lot of Pokemon that were good for the meta even if it removed the obnoxious ones too. Ferrothorn and Seismitoad are very much missed.
Maybe so, but Kingambit Sucker Punch is a really powerful dopamine button.
Funny enough in my experience its best counter is encore
>Pelliper and Tttar in pisslow teirs
>CHADkoal still OU
Sun is king
Archaludon had to be banned for Rain to drop. All they needed was a strong Rillaboom counter and they were dominating the tier. Game Freak stole Ferrothorn from them and Smogon stole Archaludon from them.
I'm going to laugh my ass off if Wake ends up dropping
Gouging Fire is the hot stuff right now. Sun boosted banded Flare Blitz annihilates even Dondozo.
252 Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Tera Fire Gouging Fire Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo in Sun: 230-271 (45.6 - 53.7%) -- 42.2% chance to 2HKO
You bet I will be abusing Walking Wake in UU before it inevitably gets banned, even if it means using Ninetales. H-Arcanine will be there as discount Gouging.
Wake is still used on 90% of Sun teams on high ladder and unless the meta changes significantly probably won't drop, CB Gouging is good but it doesn't replace Wake, it's just another Sun abuser and a bit more MU reliant (6-0s stall but can be a liability against offense sometimes)
Weather teams tend to struggle against stall. Their massive speed advantage means that they already have a good matchup against offense. Gouging Fire gives Sun a way to bust up stall while still being usable against offense since it's so bulky it can usually severely damage a Pokemon on its way out, softening them up for Walking Wake, Roaring Moon, or a Chlorophyll abuser to clean up.
Its stats are so shit a regular human could beat it in a fight.
>milotic, delphox, kingdra now in PU
holy hell the power creep
>fanfic meta
So any name suggestions for a tier below ZU?
I don't think they're going to add below ZU any more. If there's a new tier, it's probably going to be a middle tier put between UU and OU or RU and UU.
So what would you name it?
FU
Freedom Unite?
There was temporarily something called FU in the past. It was below PU, but got replaced by ZU later, I think, different name for the same thing, the concept which was introduced during gen 6, although I feel like I remember that when gen 6 was the current gen NU was still the lowest official tier, and even PU was still unofficial. I thought that PU did not become the lowest official tier until SM. Remember that in gen 4, RU did not exist, and in BW, PU did not exist. But I imagine if they created a new "FU" it'd probably be below ZU. I have also heard the term "7U" used to describe the (hypothetical) tier below ZU and I think that if they made a new tier this is the most likely name we'd see. OU, UU, RU, NU, PU, ZU, 7U.
Tier between OU and UU sounds like the most sensible thing to do. CU, Commonly Used
The problem with all these meme tiers is that absolutely nobody fricking plays them. They get created, have a bit of an initial playerbase in the first month or two because it's a shiny new toy that people will try it out. Then it just dies because you can't have a consistent playerbase for every tier when like 300 exist already. Even established tiers like PU that everybody knows have a tiny fraction of the playerbase of OU (and also randbats). Rather than desperately trying to create 20 more tiers nobody but 7 people in the world will ever consistently play how about restructiring some of the already existing lower tiers?
why is kingler so shit?
>130 base attack
>sheer force
>agility
with the right set up it can be a pretty strong sweeper
>Mono-Water on a physical attacker
>Lack of strong coverage
>Too fast for Trick Room but too slow for Choice Scarf
>Incredibly frail on the Special side
>One of the worst users of Sheer Force in the game since the only applicable physical moves over 60 bp it learns are:
1. Body Slam
2. Headbutt
3. Liquidation
4. Razor Shell
5. Rock Slide
6. Stomp
With Shell Smash it'd be pretty beastly since it could tank a hit turn 1 when it's slower and then outspeed even Ninjask after it Shell Smashes.
Shell Smash should be a TM
It's just inferior Crawdaunt. Crawdaunt hits way harder and has Dragon Dance.
Kingler could use an evolution. +20 speed, -20 defense, +40 hp, +10 attack.
The funniest shit is that Staraptor is bad in PU because of Alolan Golem.
From UUBL for 4 gens straight to Untiered in 1 gen.
Can it switch in on close combat?
>252 Atk Staraptor Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Golem-Alola: 198-234 (54.3 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
doesn't look like it, you'd have to be pretty deep into physdef to eat two and afaik golem is mostly used as an offensive tank with max attack investment.
and that's just scarf, sponging band or tera fighting sets is out of the question.
not sure what anon's on about.
whoops, wrong calc. doesn't need rocks for the 2HKO after lefties.
252 Atk Staraptor Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Golem-Alola: 198-234 (54.3 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Omari P still uses Staraptor lol
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2084385377
Also I just learned from this replay that battle bond as an ability still exists lmao wtf
My brain hurts after watching that replay. So many questionable choices both in team building and plays. It's like watching that Finchinator vs Kyurem replay but both players are Finchinator.
Scarlet/Violet have gotten worse with every DLC release.