in retrospect, were we too harsh on doom 2016?

in retrospect, were we too harsh on doom 2016?

it's regardless the game that mentoured doom eternal, it walked so that D:E could run. "zoom eternal" is an apt moniker by its detractors. it's like the more successful, cool little brother of doom 2016.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who's "we" homosexual? Both were pretty good
    2016 is the overall better game while Eternal has more replayability

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >2016 is the overall better game while Eternal has more replayability
      >overall better game
      >punching bag enemies
      Kys

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    2016 was alright, eternal was absolute dogshit

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >whining about something you can skip

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        2016 was alright, eternal was absolute dogshit

        meanwhile doom 2016 has actual unskippable scripted exposition dumps like you're playing trash like half life

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      'lent 'reen

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The lore was crap but the gameplay is still solid. Only noskillz complain.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    not doom

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    2016 and eternal are great

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    n>it walked so that D:E could ru
    Doom 2016 was the magnum opus. There was nothing to improve about the formula so they made it shittier with forced platforming and ammo changes.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >boomers when they have to aim along the vertical axis

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I see a lot of people being harsh on this game which I don't understand because it's pure fps survival horror kino.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I really like Doom 3 and the NuDooms but for different reasons. I thought D3's portrayal of Hell is really cool.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doom 3 is criminally underrated

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doom 3 is criminally underrated

        >Doom 3
        Can we stop pretending this game was good?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can we stop pretending that it wasn't good?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            What was actually good about it though, besides the renderer? It doesn't even have combat, you just shoot one or two AI-less monsters at a time in a hallway

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              It had good atmosphere

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >He doesn't want to play Half-Life but with none of the pacing, fun combat, intelligent level design, memorable setpieces, or ability to progress without having to listen to completely inane and pointless pretend-corporate mundanity to get key codes
          Cringe

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            say what you want about Doom 3 but the game completely nailed the feeling of being a no-name grunt trapped in a horrible scenario, it's the polar opposite of nu-Doom and le ebin DOOM SLAYER™

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Really? Because for the most part I remember sprinting around and CLONKing imps in the head with a shotgun. Hard to be afraid when you have BFG with maxed out ammo, RL with 20+ rockets, Chaingun with a couple of hundred rounds, hundreds of cells…

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Finaly someone else said it. DOOM 3 always felt like they wanted to get the Half Life audience.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              That was the style at the time, to be fair, but Doom 3 was pretty much shameless in how they copied the opening of the game, and the disaster sequence. The pacing of the game beyond that point felt like they were trying to go for Half-Life's style, but you can only set so many scripted sidepieces in a pitch-black hallway before they all start to run together, and none of them had any sense of scale.

              It had good atmosphere

              The graphics and sound quality were mind-blowing at the time, but the game never immersed me. It was trying so hard to scare the player 100% of the time, with every dial turned up to eleven, that it wasn't scary at all. There was zero subtlety, the game was yelling in your face non-stop

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I liked Doom 3 but yeah the set pieces get tedious. The only memorable one was the hallway full of blood.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Finaly someone else said it. DOOM 3 always felt like they wanted to get the Half Life audience.

            >Half Life + Doom + System Shock = Doom 3
            It's a recipe for pure kino.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              The only system shock thing it has are the keycodes and audiologs. It doesn't have the open level design or build variety that makes system shock good.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              The only system shock thing it has are the keycodes and audiologs. It doesn't have the open level design or build variety that makes system shock good.

              What this guy said. Doom 3 tries to imitate those games, but it doesn't have any of the things that make them good. Sometimes it copies concepts directly, like the audiologs. But it makes them as boring as humanely fricking possible, puts the code for the ammo locked at the *end* of the two-minute long monolog about UAC accounting practices, and doesn't even give you a text transcript so that you can just read the relevant information and get back to the game. It's aggressively bad, like the developers hate you

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not to mention that the Doom 3 audiologs are literally all the same. They're all some no-name office drone talking about how much it sucks to work in this space office building, and people are paranoid, and here's the code to a locker full of shotgun shells. That's every log in the fricking game. The System Shock logs followed a cast of recurring characters and told the story of what happened to them, and to the ship, over the course of your character's missing time. It was an actual narrative that was interesting to follow from the different perspectives.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Finally somebody says what I was talking about all along. That’s not even “realistic” writing, that’s just boring.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >doom3
              >system shock
              Why is it always gigachad pic and the most troglodyte take paired in one post?
              >doom3
              >system shock
              Look at this stupid homosexual and laugh

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          wtf what shampoo does he use

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I thought D3's portrayal of Hell is really cool.
        yeah man those 15 minutes are really cool

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because it is one of the most monotonous shooters ever made. It's extremely slow, extremely easy, and it has no gameplay, setpiece, or environmental creativity or variety (with the one exception of the hell levels). It tries harder than any other game I've ever played to be scary, while simultaneously being the least-scary horror game ever made.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone dogpiled on this game when it released
      >now that new nudooms are out, it's suddenly "kino"
      I'm convinced that modern entertainment products exist solely so we can shit on them when they come on, and them use them as a tool for shitting on future entries. The human condition is one endless cycle of "this new thing is shit.. wait this NEWER thing is worse in some aspects i never actually considered compared to the older new thing, woah"

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I never thought Doom 3 was shit, even back in the day. Actually it was my main introduction to Doom. I was only 12 when Doom came out so I wasn't big into PC gaming at the time I was more a Nintendo/SEGA kid.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's a very big ask to make such a radical departure from the classics, and in return what ID delivered was extremely hackneyed boo scary horror.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >shit as fps
      >shit as horror
      >not survival even in slightest
      >guys this old crap is le underappreciated xD
      Frick moronic zoomer

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh boy it's another 300 reply DE thread where absolute shitters complain about being shit at shooters. Here's the bottom line: DE's mechanics train you to be good at arena shooters. If you can't beat DE on Nightmare, you're bad at arena shooters.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you can't beat DE on Nightmare, you're bad at a completely dead game genre
      I'm not too worried

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        True Fortnite is probably more your speed.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          sorry I don't waste my time with multiplayer slop, but I hope you and the 6 other guys still playing Quake Champions are enjoying yourselves

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get with the times, slowpoke. The current narrative is that Eternal was soulless garbage zoomercore while 2016 is the enlightened patrician soulkino etc.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both games are dogshit

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      doom = good
      doom 2 = good
      doom 64 = shit
      doom 3 = shit
      doom 2016 = good
      doom e = good

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        What's bad about 64? I thought it had some cool levels and i really liked the new sprites.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          the soundtrack, the lack of enemies compared to 1 and 2, the fact enemies can now pop out of nowhere

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            imagine listening rock midi covers in empty rooms

            CE version can fix the problem

            just like the original dooms

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            mod it

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >terry wad
        >good
        hahahahah

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >placing II and I together.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >were we too harsh on doom 2016?
    No. It deserves ALL the hate and criticism, and we should've gatekept genZ console gays MORE.

    Fricking zoom zoom gays ate this shit up, and enabled Zenimax's shills to literally hijack Ganker as their designated marketing platform.

    Eternal is literally the same shit, with more bing-bing-wahoo and cutscenes. NEITHER is "DooM" in any shape or form.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just a friendly reminder arena shooters are dogshit and you should have a nice day
    if you like quake or half life
    you are both fricking cringe boomers and have dogshit taste in games

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      aw shit, guess i gotta kill myself now

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Quake 1 is literally just Doom's design principles of mazes and corridors with keys but with actual 3D, nothing about that game is an "arena shooter"

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >boomers when you now have to jump and dash since spamming A/D is not enough to beat the strafeslop

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >boomers when there are colors in a video game

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >boomers when you now have to jump and dash since spamming A/D is not enough to beat the strafeslop

      reddit that slow this morning?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        keep up or go back, boomer
        https://www.doomworld.com/

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >if you don't like reddit core the fps you're just old
          are you that one schizo or are you just that one eceleb homosexual who lets this board live rent free in your mind for not liking your favorite shitty games

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >if you like Ganker the fps you're just a zoomer
          are you that one schizo or are you just that one eceleb homosexual who lets this board live rent free in your mind for liking your great games

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >boomers when you now have to jump and dash since spamming A/D is not enough to beat the strafeslop

          >boomers when there are colors in a video game

          beast

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            you meant to say Obeast

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >boomers when ammo/health are not strewn all over the ground for zero risk pickup

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >zoomers when there are finite resources

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doom 2016 was great and doom eternal is a tedious slog of weapon switching and wall crawling

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it's regardless the game that mentoured
    mhm, mhm, well said anon

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >winston is having a mental breakdown

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      t. eric

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Eternal
    Kino (but the chainsaw was forced too much)
    >2016
    Kino, I even liked the multiplayer
    >3
    Trash """horror"" with horrible gunplay and story
    >2 and 1
    Only with gzdoom+Brutal Doom. Otherwise boring.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think D2016 is okay, but I wouldn’t even put it in my top 25 FPS, and I’d put Eternal in top 3.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    metadoom is epic

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    2016 has some really baffling balance and design choices
    eternal has more sensible balance but doubles down on all the dumb gimmicks
    I hate everything about them but if it keeps zoomers entertained until the next fotm then they succeeded I suppose

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Age 40 Xenial here, I completed slept on 2016 and I finally got around to playing it a few months ago in PC. I thought it was very enjoyable and I loved the look and sound of it, the way you move quickly. It's a guilty pleasure with the juvenile aggressive wish fullfilmen in a good way. Not having an overwhelming nostolgia for the earlier Dooms, I liked this one as a stand-alone game.
    Havn't played DE yet since it's never really on a big discount.

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >in retrospect, were we too harsh on doom 2016?
    Its loved by most people. There was tons of fear that we would get another duke nukem forever.
    >it's regardless the game that mentoured doom eternal, it walked so that D:E could run.
    Doom 4 has better story, better atmosphere, better soundtrack, and lack of super mario jumps.

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >TOP TIER
    DOOM, DOOM 64
    >MID TIER
    DOOM II, Doom 2016
    >SHIT TIER
    Doom 3, Doom eternal

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >family shitter
      >moronic opinion
      Classic.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Show us your epic take then, homosexual

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >family shitter continues to embarrass himself
          you are not in a position to make demands, subhuman.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you're bad at shooters your list makes sense.

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    were people harsh on doom? i liked it, wish i could just super shotgun my way through eternal.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It had really bad marketing which emphasized the multiplayer and made the singleplayer look slower than it actually is.

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >makes zoom look like a walk in the park

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do I beat Gladiator? I'm getting reamed by him
    I really like Eternal but I feel like it was a poor choice for an FPS newbie like myself

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Does anyone want to help me and talk about the game

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Does anyone want to help me and talk about the game

      First phase should be fairly easy. Wait for green light and shoot him with ballista. You can do some damage to him while he’s stuck in Glory Kill mode so shoot him a couple of times wiry Lock-On Rockets or something similar and then “glory kill him”.

      You can also use BFG when he summons mobs since the second phase restores all your health and ammo, including BFG ammo. Shoot the ball BEHIND him so that it hits the wall and AoE damages him.

      Second phase is trickier. You have your BFG again, so use it when he summons. Shoot him with Chaingun, Lock-On Rockets, Ballista etc. when he’s exposed. The jump rope phase is a good time to really unload at him. Dodge the ropes with Air Control in the air and let it rip.

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you dont like the chainsaw, marauders, quick switch combos, weak points, limited ammo, platforming, and skippable cutscenes your bad

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't mind the platform sections. They're quick and just add as a little breather between fighting.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Coomer brain rot didn't mind, shocking

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        what if Doom was a girl

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I want a Doom gal but only if she's sexy. And it would feel fine to show a little skin in the over-the-top Doom universe. Over-the-top violence and over-the-top sex go hand-in-hand. It seems cowardly if they have a fully suited femSlayer but not skip on the gore. The fact that they opted out of giving the whiplash nipples or even boobs doesn't give me confidence.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          A woman going around slaying demons in hell doesn't make sense to me.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, but kitchen experience would explain the Slayer's proficiency with the wrist blade.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >2020
      >Ganker makes hundreds of webms about half a minute of platforming in a level
      >threads devolve into people unironically convinced 90% of the game is just platforming
      i hate this website

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ganker literally and genuinely does not play games

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        i don't think anybody thinks "90% of the game is just (shitty) platforming" but the fact something as stupid as this even exists in it is the problem. and there is likely more

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >platform section references the greatest platform game ever

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    they're both shit and miss what made doom fun

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which is…?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        why do you type like a homosexual

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >he thinks corn mazes are good level design.
          moron. Classic Doom is outdated as frick. I’m so glad new boomer shooters are taking inspiration from the Eternal formula.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            it's just too easy with you newbies

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Wow, you really got him

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                u mad

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >filtered so hard by classic doom maps that they're corn mazes to him
            lumfao

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >boomers think this is the peak of level design
              Enjoy getting lost running laps around the map trying to find the yellow key.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                From the left side take that little bridge over by the top area, then just keep taking the topmost path to the very end
                Done, solved it already

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >can't function without waypoints, a sidekick telling you where to go and what to do, bright lights and colored areas signifying where the next POI is on this linear path, checkpoints every new room

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                looks good to me

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Kino

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        looking for different color keys before spending 2 minutes at the same corner going back and forth

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    So no one wants to actually talk about the game? Just oomerpost and wojakpost?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      where do you think you are?

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    No.

    Both the new games are crummy wannabes.

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is sex and violence so often linked?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      animalistic instincts and all of that.

      A woman going around slaying demons in hell doesn't make sense to me.

      Doom isn't supposed to make sense.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Doom isn't supposed to make sense.
        Why not it's science fiction so a hell dimension could exist full of demons and on a meta level you have man's inner struggle fighting for his soul against evil.

  36. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Surely he should've been called the Doom Bringer, not the Doom Slayer

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://store.steampowered.com/app/1156120/DOOMBRINGER/

  37. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're both incredibly repetitive and boring. Which explains why the only people still playing them these days are zoomers with autism and nostalgia boomers. Most of the soi millennials that kept raving about it back in the day only played a few hours for the hecking rock music while boom stick shooty shoot meme and then went back to prepping their fat wive's bull.

  38. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >frogs
      >wojak
      >youtube
      Get fricked

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >synthetic manchild doesn't like actual vidya made by based devs
      of coursh

  39. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The forbidden technique

  40. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s a good FPS that gets a little repetitive and formulaic towards the last 1/3 but it’s not a Doom game like at all.

  41. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >putting marauder in tight corridor
    >other shitty enemies constantly spawn near him
    >they can set off his shield dog
    >can't clear the area first to focus on him because epic nonstop respawning
    I really hate the design of Eternal in the last stages

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It really says a lot about Eternal's fundamental game design that the boss fights work the same way, spawning an endless amount of fodder just so you won't run dry on ammo.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh no, not the shield dog that dies to a stiff breeze!

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Never said he was hard to kill, the dog is annoying, can respawn instantly and can get triggered by demon attacks

  42. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I blame DE for boltgun, just finished it. God that fricking sucked, DE set a really bad precedent for using certain weapons on certain enemies, just let me use my arsenal you c**ts

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The toughness system in Boltgun is straight from Tabletop.

  43. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Need me a hot mom with big smelly feet to stomp on my nuts

  44. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >calls everyone who didn't enjoy doom 2016 a scrub
    >calls everyone who enjoyed doom 2016 higher skilled
    >makes it his mission to kill all the scrubs in the next game by making the game harder for them
    >second game is even better just like doom 2
    fricking kino

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >beat both on nightmare which wasn't very hard and my opinion is that they are bad games
      where do fall then?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        someone who can't into the "fun zone"

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
  45. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >attempt to discuss aspects of design
    >the game is considered hard
    >if you ever have any issue you get twitter users parroting "skill issue" or "filtered" or "seethe" etc
    Why is it impossible to discuss hard games?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      because people should get good at them before complaining about them
      sometimes it's a "hidden" requirement to enjoy certain games

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, but once you've past that scrub filter threshold it's still impossible to discuss any difficult game here

  46. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    DOOM was the least worst game of 2016, in the Gankergas, so I'd say not harsh at all.

  47. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    for me it's
    II > I > 2016 > 64 > Eternal > 3
    and i still like 3, it's a 6/10 game and worth playing

  48. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I suck at weapon switching. Never got past cultist base on normal, but I completed 2016 on UV some time later.

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