>Imagine simping for larping morons.
You don't understand anything, the only solution is to support Lanius and kill all the other morons and return to the Philosopher-kingship
The happiest ending EASILY is the Minutemen+BOS+Railroad ending where you blow up the institute BUT save everbody (let them escape before exploding everything).
Literally no casualties apart from some synths (Black person equivalent) and Shaun (homosexual)
Ever person in your game is a homosexual trannies are playing fallout 4 right now. Two the factions in New Vegas have a story and build the world up even the legion all the Institute does is murder random people and steal there stuff and dumb monsters into the waste land. Nothing they have done or will do will improve anyone's life but there own.
no seriously, somebody fricking tell me what dialect "basado" is meant to be parodying when someone really just wants to say based
all these years and i still don't fricking get it. Is it meant to make you sound mexican? Because that's the kind of greasy Black person i think of whenever someone uses this moronic homosexual zoomer term
idk if this is ironic but if me, the person I am right now, were granted with the exact options F4 grants to a PC
there is literally no way I'm not choosing Institute and reforming it, which is signalled by the game
in fact F4 is the only RPG where I couldnt go with the de facto option (BoS) and went for the "evil" faction in my first playthrough as you just cannot build up such a marvellous scientific breakthrough
i am sorry but the R&D will go on and my SS will rebuild the wastes in his just visage
This is bullshit. The institute never wanted to help anyone, and also the broken mask incident was not the first synth nor was he up there by mistake. The Institute is just like the Enclave, except slightly better. The institute just wants to kill everybody who is not them. Also, they won't ever cure super mutants. Didn't they order virgil's death just because he felt bad about experimenting n innocent civilians and turning them into mindless soulless cannibalistic monsters? There's a reason you had to give vergil the serum and he had to finish it in the glowing sea where the institute could not reach him.
See, you're just ignoring everything that happens in the game and also making random shit up. You sound just like the drones who say brotherhood bad.
The institute are just discount Big MT. They do science shit for the sake of it only they don’t have the excuse of being senile brains in jars stuck in a logic loop.
Virgil was a bad person for going against obvious progress for the benefit of a few. Its like a cop feeling bad for isis terrorists and letting them escape
>The institute just wants to kill everybody who is not them
Yeah, that's why they're researching more efficient crops on the surface, to grow veggies so good people just die from how healthy and tasty they are. moron.
>yeah bro we want to make life on the surface better >unleashes super mutants >massacres settlements >constantly bodysnatching people >sabotage any efforts to rebuild
Real fricking humanitarian.
I think the cherry on top is Shaun considering the Commonwealth unfixable, and not even blaming his organization for the destruction that mostly made it that way.
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Anonymous
I mean there are functioning settlements and in the span of the game I’ve built up dozens of others in the span of a day, but I suppose the doddering moron wants to just ignore that for some reason.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nope, irredeemable. Gotta turn everyone into synths for some reason.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And the trade network? And the military force? I mean most of my settlements are fusion powered and have shops, amenities, and even luxuries.
It's not black or white. The Institute wants to control and fix the surface world, not destroy it. Bodysnatching is done just for that. Dividing and sabotaging the surface is necessary in order to keep factions from destroying the Institute, a very realistic threat since that what you do with 3/4 factions in the game, and the super mutants are a "controlled" threat used for the same purpose.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Except they show absolutely no actual interest in taking the surface and are satisfied just staying underground indefinitely, in fact their main quest revolves around just that. And no one would have cared about them or even known about them if they didn’t start fricking with people on a regular basis. Also you left out the Super mutants and the massacres.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I never said they want to conquer the surface or even move there, they're a bunch of science nerds who never held a gun in their lives, they would be killed or raped by the weakest raider gang 10 minutes after setting foot on the surface! They are happy to control things from behind the curtain while staying safe in their little idyllic hole. >no one would have cared about them or even known about them if they didn’t start fricking with people
Before they started fricking up with people, they tried to gather with different settlements to try and form a united government. It didn't work and they lost hope and decided they wanted nothing with anyone directly, the reasons why aren't clear, that's when they turned isolationist/manipulative. >you left out the Super mutants
No I didn't >and the massacres
Necessary evil. Again, it's not black or white.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You said they wanted to fix the surface, which by their actions and attitude they at best don’t care and at worst make shit worse. >Before they started fricking up with people, they tried to gather with different settlements to try and form a united government
Ah the massacre at the CPG where they decided to decimate the leadership of the region because of political gridlock, totally justified and normal behavior to take >Necessary evil. Again, it's not black or white
Explain what massacring some back water settlement is going to do for them? Because if it’s about scaring people then that’s stupid since no one knows where they are and all it does is build resentment for them which eventually turns into organizations like the railroad forming to stop their bullshit. Or the BOS getting involved.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Necessary evil
the insane part of this is you're not trying to claim they're a well-written faction, you're trying to claim they had any actual morality at all.
the institute if looked at as a scientific powerhouse but poorly managed with no actual end goals is a well written faction, they fit the bill as people with the means to do the right thing but neither the competence or the will to. trying to frame them as misunderstood heroes who meant well but faced backlash is a fricking insane person's take that sounds like you've never played the game at all. no part of the institute is reasonable, they have no real goals outside of father's aimless moral grandstanding and their methods are some of the dumbest shit ever (trying to win over the populace with a horde of mechanical skinwalkers instead of just regular fricking robots like the wasteland is already filled with). the only actual end goal anyone at the institute has is endless experiments like they're fricking aperture science, and thats the only angle you could take the faction in that would make them well-constructed in a meta narrative sense. anything else is just fanfiction mixed with total nonsense
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The funniest thing is that if you do side with the institute and achieve their goal of unlimited energy, they just continue fricking with the surface anyway. They're clearly not well-meaning.
What’s wrong with people defending themselves in a place where there are raiders, mercenaries, and literal monster running around
Indeed, what's wrong with people defending themselves from body snatchers and murderers.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They're clearly not well-meaning.
I think a lot of people look at the tech they have and see the potential without actually looking at what they do on a regular basis, like they are like if someone made glowies into Saturday morning cartoon villains.
>puts a fricking bounty on the millitary and the civilian millitia
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What’s wrong with people defending themselves in a place where there are raiders, mercenaries, and literal monster running around
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They don't have the right to defend themselves. The military and the militia want to kill them because they are evil. The military and the militia are the ones who defend the human race.
Umm dude what are you talking about? No one else has those crops except themselves. They're not planning on using them on the surface until they return to the surface, which they are not planning to do until everything else is dead. This is fact, it's not up for debate.
There's an entire quest about going to the surface to help a Synth farmer that grows and sells modified crops south of Boston, with seeds provided by the Institute. Impossible to miss unless you choose not to side with the Institute
>we just wanted to help people thats why we've been mass-producing supermutants and releasing them on the surface
insane that people are trying to go to bat for fo4's stupid writing
>with an irrefutable argument.
Literally no one says this
Well I'm looking at the comments of multiple videos now, and people are arguing the impressive nature of his argument; which apparently is complete dogshit if we ask you on 4chinz.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The Master is eloquent and well reasoned within the information he has, but he's a famous RPG antagonist because he's incredibly, objectively wrong about everything. When he discovers the truth he's horrified and commits suicide, a narrative decision that many CRPG's have tried to emulate over the years with varying degrees of success.
2 weeks ago
saucy
He kills himself because he learns about the sterility of Super Mutants, not because his plans were wrong. He explicitly states that by turning everyone into Super Mutants, he can achieve social dominance, and be rid of pesky human beings once and for all; and he pieces this argument together through emotion and ideology of the human lifespan. People get old and die; he did not. Therefore the relationship between him and omniscience was real. His argument is easily held by not just him but by his followers at the Mariposa Military Base, and The Children of the Cathedral; one of the most basic and emphatic plot points in the entire game is based on the grounds that his argument is impenetrable.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>”I don't think that I can continue. Continue? To have done the things I have done in the name of progress and healing. It was madness. I can see that now. Madness. Madness? There is no hope. Leave now, leave while you still have”
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saucy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That was literally his quote calling his plan madness, I don’t know why you think some lore video trumps that.
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Anonymous
The core of all his actions was the belief that was bringing about the next stage in evolution for humanity, one that could not only survive but thrive in the wasteland. He based this on the correct - within what he knew - evidence that super mutants were just fundamentally physically superior to humans in every possible way. Stronger, faster, more adaptable, and free of the divisions and prejudice borne of individuality. To him it was not only a moral good, but a necessity that he convert as many humans as possible into super mutants to give them new life and properly kick start the evolution. Super Mutant sterility destroys this belief. They will die off after the first generation, they're not more fit than humans, because evolution relies utterly on reproduction after the first gen. He realizes that all the atrocities he's committed were pointless, his magnum opus was a dud, and he can't justify his action, so he kills himself.
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saucy
He doesn't kill himself because he feels bad about hurting people; his entire ego is way too big to give a shit about anyone else in the story. He kills himself because he's making people sterile, which to him, is basically like cloning himself, which puts a fat wedge in the idea that he is the smartest one in the world. This is why people say The Master is an intellectual villain, because people will willingly misinterpret his courtship for humility. His ability to reason is just a facade to meditate on his narcissism, and when he realizes he's a narcissist, he does what any narcissist does and kills himself.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>”I don't think that I can continue. Continue? To have done the things I have done in the name of progress and healing. It was madness. I can see that now. Madness. Madness? There is no hope. Leave now, leave while you still have”
2 weeks ago
saucy
https://youtu.be/84iZgJCMXv8
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Frick off shit eater
That was literally his quote calling his plan madness, I don’t know why you think some lore video trumps that.
2 weeks ago
saucy
Not my fault you suddenly care about English 401 in an argument that didn't concern you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What the frick does that have anything to do with the Masters feelings toward his plan? Has your brain been compromised by all the feces you devour?
2 weeks ago
saucy
Anything but the vocal opinion of someone who understands foil and metaphor.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop being a moron, he says how he feels right then and there, you trying to say some gay on YouTube can summarize it better is asinine.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> his entire ego is way too big to give a shit about anyone else in the story.
That's literally not true if you watch the cutscene where he learns about the sterility. He's sickened and ashamed, realizing everything he thought was for the greater good was just cruelty and "madness" as he himself puts it.
2 weeks ago
saucy
That is literally true, and the only reason you think it's not true is because you've never seen a narcissist written into expression before.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
An actual, clinical narcissist would never even consider killing themselves.
2 weeks ago
saucy
You mean, like the list of people who were classified as narcissists and wound up killing themselves? Hitler included?
his arguments were and are irrefutable, its just that his minions conveniently lied to him about the females being able to reproduce and he trusted them, if supermutants could have sex and reproduce unity would objectively be the future of mankind
>people hate us cause one of our bots accidentally murdered a bunch of politicians >so to deal with that we gave people an ACTUAL reason to hate us by psyoping their societies for our own safety (none of them can even reach us lmao) >the only way your son can tell you this is if you gave one of the many groups that hate the institute the ability to enter it
>people hate us cause one of our bots accidentally murdered a bunch of politicians
You seem to be misunderstanding something.
The fall of the CPG happened decades before the Broken Mask Incident, and it was Broken Mask where a synth went crazy and killed some people in Diamond City's market.
A lot of people get angry at this, but honestly the institute doesn't have the means to just play the humanitarian game when most factions out there would raid them given the opportunity before they achieve their goal of teching up enough to move out from underground.
God it gets worse do you homosexual take no pride in your memes. There is nothing more knightly then robbing towns or there power sources and food. The Botherhood has always been buttholes but east coast botherhood are fricking clownish morons lets build a airship that can be shot down by a drunk raider with a missile launcher.
For fricking real. But also you forgot that you can be a spy and infiltrate all factions even if you're not railroad. Everyone will assume you're a double/triple agent and that you're on their side, while only (you) know what side you're really on. New VegACK insists on you telling them game what "side" you're on. This is because fallout 3 and 4 were real roleplaying games where the game acted as the game master and you were the player, but new vegACK tried to make you both. They tried so hard to not put anything in the "game" that would ever contradict your preplanned character story that they just ended up not making the game at all. In New VegACK it's not even possible for you to ever lose, and nothing ever throws a wrench in your way and changes your path. There's n reason to play it because all it wants is for you to be able to decide everything that happens in your own story. All you need for that shit is a pen and paper. The actual "computer program" that is new vegass is just one of those online personality tests but without the results at the ends. You type in or click on the information it asks you, and then it does fricking nothing with it. It won't even stop you from skipping ever "quest" by clicking on "speech"(which is all drones who claim to like it do) because you can just say goodbye and eat a drug and read a magazine and instantly have enough. It's not even chance based, it's just addition. It makes Them feel so smart just for doing preschool levels of math.
>whats that my choices have consequences and I have to live with them? >NOOOO LET ME CHOICE TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN FACTIONS UNTIL THE FINAL MOMENT
Just continuous seething and rectal bleeding from 4toddlers.
Name one "choice" in new vegACK that is even a choice. And name one that has even a single fricking consequence. And finally, please learn how to fricking read.
>Name one "choice" in new vegACK that is even a choice. And name one that has even a single fricking consequence
Letting the monorail explode or getting caught causes it to be destroyed and cuts off access between the Strip and McCarran. And I read it just fine, maybe learn to deal with consequences instead of crying about how they happen.
You're missing a hundred other details but the cool thing is that even with al of that you still can't be sure you're a synth. In fact synth and not synth aren't even the only options.
Maybe the memories are very inaccurate and they're nothing like the actual war but how would the synth know? It believes its memories to be 100% factual despite the fact that there may be big inaccuracies.
It's kinda like how people can convince themselves that false memories are true. Synths are human to the point they may have the same issues as us when it comes to memory and remembering if something is true or not.
We literally see him going through them in the intro cutscene while rehearsing his speech for the veterans hall. He also remembers his great something or other grandfather fought in WWII. This isn’t some shit that Shaun would just be able to replicate.
Why would Shaun be able to replicate the memories of his fathers tour during the Sino-American war? How would he know the specific speech his father was going to give?
You are not capable of using VATS without a pipboy. Your Vault suit looked like that even before being frozen. Plenty of people have defeated worse in the wasteland as human, Nate is a trained US veteran they are fricking beasts in Fallout just look at Sentrybots and Assaultrons and your companion's reaction to them.
You are human and Dima is a gaslighting manipulative piece of shit.
>you can't use vats without a pip boy
Yes you can, they literally make sure you know that by teaching you about it in the tutorial before you get the pipboy. >your suit looked like that originally
STOP LYING! No it did fricking not! they literally play the change apparal sound effect when you get frozen because it switches you into a dirty one. And when you get the suit originally it literally says "Vault 111 Jumpsuit (new) added". When you look at what you're wearing in the pipboy, it says "Vault 111 Jumpsuit". >look at sentrybots and protectrons
How are they relevant? >you are human
You can never know that, and the evidence leans slightly towards you not being human.
No no, the Institute isn't bad because they're evil, they're bad because FO4 faction writing sucks except the Minutemen who have no story and the Atom Cats.
>FO4 faction writing sucks except the Minutemen who have no story
You mean ESPECIALLY the minutemen >Literal nothing faction made up of scrappy-doo chucklefricks who are incapable of doing anything at all themselves and rely on one pre-war dude for literally everything ever
Disagree. Their counter-arguements are literally just pro-NV format but spun round and cherry picked. No originality there, just more recycling what came before. Very poetic.
>kidnap a father, mother, child in the dark of night >copy their body, mind and mannerisms >kill the original and grind their body up >replace them with a robot copy
THEY'RE CLOWNISHLY EVIL, YOU moron
>grind their body up
They wish. You do know they just turn the into fricking super mutants right? Also you're wrong about their mannerisms being copied. Sometimes they don't even try that, but even when they do you cans till tell.
They are not making them anymore when you get there because the research was sabotaged from the inside. Institute is not just one person. The scientists all have different opinions on things.
It doesn't matter if they're not making them anymore, the fact that they already made them and are now a growing epidemic in the Commonwealth, since Super Mutants are known for having their own ways of making more somehow, even though it should be impossible.
On that note. Why in the HOLY FRICK are the Institute making Super Mutants? What fricking benefit is there doing so?
Originally they were failed experiments. It was when they were still trying to figure out how to use the FEV to genetically engineer human flesh for synths. Nowadays they just think the super mutants will weaken the commonwealth so they still turn people into them. It's all in terminal entries iirc.
>The guys that actively created a societal boogeyman and unleashed hundreds of mutant janitors upon the land totally want to help guise
I find it odd just how fricking many mutants they made since the Commonwealth ones lack free FEV to make more like the other groups do
>super mutants in commonwealth lack their own fev
That's not true, we just never see it. If you spy on them you can hear about them searching for "green stuff". It's lines reused from Fallout 3 but it's still a thing that they do. And nick says that super mutants are one of the groups who kidnap people in the commonwealth. That's why the Chad super mutants in Fallout 3 kidnapped people, to use fev on them. It's just a thing that these creatures do, even if the fallout 4 mutants are lamer.
Minutemen don't fight the brotherhood, they're bros. It's the gayroad who fight brotherhood. And also, the minutemen can never be destroyed in the game.
you can't kill preston, true. nuka world can in fact take over every settlement including the castle thoughever.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/With_Our_Powers_Combined
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Claiming_the_Commonwealth
whom can then be betrayed by clearing out a whole outpost or starting Open Season at any time by killing one of the gang leaders.
>Noooo you're not allowed to think about things and speculate, you have to regurgitate the same "lore"(lies) that pooptubers won't stop repeating forever and ever! >No having fun! Only talk about WORE!!!!!!
Apparently, they claim that vault tec started it in the "show". You wrote that episode, didn't you?
I was mad you couldn't at least become a cyborg. Like you could in some little shit shack in New Vegas but you cant in the Institute because >transhumanism is... le bad!
If you can name something they did that was more stupid than it was bad, I will say good job.
It has to be something other than "Shaun" being outside for five minutes and thinking that justifies all the evil he ever did. That's the only one I can think of.
Dude. It's not stupid if they're experimenting and learning how to use FEV. But maybe it is stupid if they still do it because they think one or two extra mutants will make a difference. But like, what else are they going to do? They could just kill them, but they don't care about mercy even, which is why I think this is something that counts as more evil than stupid.
Body snatching randos
That's all a part of their plan. They don't want you to forget that they replace humans with synths. Think about it, does anyone in the commonwealth ever ask whether or not their robots have been replaced? No, and the robots are the real spies. I think it's an obvious theme in the game, but that's just a headcanon. Either way it is still true that 1, they want to make the people afraid, and 2, having more synths would never hurt them. So I wouldn't say it's stupid at all. And I don't want to hear shit about wasting resources. If you go to the synth making machine in fallout 4 it runs constantly on a loop forever. Clearly they have enough of whatever they use to make synths to last a thousand lifetimes.
Was there really no records on FEV as to why it shouldn't be messed with? Did everything involving The Master take place before or after the Super Mutant experiments at the Institute?
Except it backfires because now everyone knows of their existence and hates them, the only thing stopping people from getting to the Institute was they couldn’t find it. And it most likely would have stayed the way if it wasn’t for the SS. Realistically the institute had no reason to do any of the shit they do, no one would have given a shit about them if they weren’t constantly fricking with everything.
They did have a reason, they wanted to kill everybody so they could have the surface all to themselves. Play the game dude.
stopping the immensely successful (see kellogg) cybernetic enhancement program because of muh humanity
and then turning right around and making human shaped robot meat slaves that totally arent people dont worry about it haha
That's kind of debatable dude. That's like, a major major theme. And I hate to be the one to tell you this but you're in the minority.
There's an entire quest about going to the surface to help a Synth farmer that grows and sells modified crops south of Boston, with seeds provided by the Institute. Impossible to miss unless you choose not to side with the Institute
I don't remember this and I don't believe you. inb4 post some fricking link to some "wiki" or some garbage. Even if there is a quest similar to this, I know you're leaving stuff out.
>Fallout 1 has the Master's FEV vats >Fallout 3 has Vault 87's vats
There's no real explanation for them besides the janitor experiments
What are you saying? That there's no explanation for why there would be FEV in the commonwealth? Who cares about that? There just is. It doesn't matter. There's no reason for it not to be there.
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Anonymous
>They did have a reason, they wanted to kill everybody so they could have the surface all to themselves
I did and I remember them not giving a shit about the surface and their entire quest line being about getting materials for a fusion reactor so they don’t have to worry about the surface anymore, for frick sake Shaun basically says frick this place when he finally goes up there. They don’t want the surface.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Who cares it just exists
The amazing writing and justifications I've come to expect from Bethesda
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you hate fun and cool stuff and wonder?
And also in addition to that, you must also hate fallout 1 and 2 and new vegACK because they also don't explain why things are there, but they do it for different reasons. Mainly because they forgot. If they remembered they would have made sure to take the fun and mystery out of everything.
the ghouls at the repconn center has like 4 different endings alone
>everyone "dies" (dissapears from game) >Everyone leaves(dissapears from game)
There are no fricking options you disingenuous liar. Making the ship crash for no reason is the same as letting the human make the ship crash, and you would never do it because it's stupid, unfun, and pointless. Helping them is also something you would never do for the same reasons. It's not quest, you don't so anything except mindlessly walk to a quest marker and fetch shit, then those "characters" disappear. What the frick do you chose in this scenario? You play it the same way every time. You just grab the thing and click on any "dialogue option". That's it.
Was there really no records on FEV as to why it shouldn't be messed with? Did everything involving The Master take place before or after the Super Mutant experiments at the Institute?
Different strain of FEV, and it wasn't made by a sane group of scientists. The strain of FEV at mariposa was one that could fuse different creatures together into one, and the master was some guy who ended up accidentally getting fused with a rat and a computer. As such he was crazy. And all of his own experiments were just him with no oversight and for a specific nefarious goal. It was such a different situation that it's not worth comparing, especially from the pov of the Institute who are anything but self aware. And the fev in mariposa was way more dangerous because for whatever reason it gave out psychic powers, which connected all the super mutants to the mind of the human/rat/computer guy. Fallout 1 and 2 were basically marvel sl0p, they even had constant "quips" and "jokes". And the "references" were even worse because in fallout 1 and 2 the "references" were straight up plagiarism.
>kill the ghouls, help the mutants find stealth boy shipments >kill the ghouls, kill the mutants >help/kill harland (he gets on the rockets if you help him) >speech harland or go find his dead girlfriend >tell the truth or lie to haversam (if you tell him the truth he mopes in novac) >collecting each material has 2 choices to go about it, ties back in to the shops in and around novac >can adjust the trajectory of the rockets for better or worse
each choice on the rockets and the npcs in reconn each have a different outcome for the town of novac in the ending cutscene, now use those jaws to choke on the end of my barrel
you can also use Black Widow to influence Haversam into giving you an optional objective to sabotage the launch to make the rockets blow up as soon as they leave the hangar.
stopping the immensely successful (see kellogg) cybernetic enhancement program because of muh humanity
and then turning right around and making human shaped robot meat slaves that totally arent people dont worry about it haha
>ignore the jobbermen >blow up the railroad >leave a smoking crater where the institute used to be >crash the prydwen with no survivors >nuke the children of the atom >annihilate acadia >genocide the raider scum infesting Nuka World >obtain the original Nuka Cola recipe, proclaim myself emperor of the Nuka Empire and unite the commonwealth under a banner that represents refreshing drinks and sick power armor paint jobs
The only way to play Fallout 4
Would you go to college if you knew what one actually looked like?
Full of sex, disagreements and protests?
No, right? You'd go somewhere else, where disagreements were basically a formality and less a controlled opposition. That's basically The Institute, a place where people can learn more about the surface by engendering conflict, rather than supplementing it.
>Is there a more reddit opinion?
people that play skyrim and side with the empire because "it's the best choice for tamriel long term" or "stormcloaks are racist"
>we've gone from siding with stormcloaks being reddit to siding with the empire being reddit because now siding with the empire is mainstream
Flat circle. Ganker is literally just EYE except instead of schizophrenic "i murdered my wife and my mentor is my protege is all the secreta together" it's just "ME BASED YOU troony"
siding with the institute is moronic
why would you side with the faction that killed your wife, abducted your kid, and have generally done creepy and evil shit (as far as you know) up until you first meet with them?
the whole point of the game until that point is that you've been looking for your son and the evil bastards that took him from you
you enter the room and there he is! Except apparently it's not him and the "real" Shaun comes in through the door. But how are you supposed to know or even believe that kid Shaun is just a synth and that this old man is your son? As far as you know that's your real son you've finally found in that glass room, but for some reason he doesn't remember you and then this random old man from the evil institute you've heard so much about walks into the room and jedi mind tricks him into "shutting down". The only logical course of action from this point is to blow off the old man's head with your combat shotty and try and rescue your son from this evil place.
In no world would your player character just sit there and listen calmly to the what this random old guy has to say after what you've been through and what you are seeing in front of you.
it's the same as siding with the empire in Skyrim. Why would you care which option is better for Skyrim/tamriel long term? Why would you care who has the best chance to beat the Thalmor? The game starts with the empire trying to execute you even though you aren't on the list. Then you go through the dungeon and see their torture chambers. In what world does it make sense for you to side with the guys who tried to kill you for no reason??
>The only logical course of action from this point is to blow off the old man's head with your combat shotty and try and rescue your son from this evil place.
reminder that if you do this, the door remains locked and the quest is frozen with the whole institute turning hostile but you have no way to get out of the room so you have to just reload your save
>no option to take the Institute in a less sociopathic direction upon becoming Director >no option for the BoS or Minutemen to simply occupy the facility instead of killing everyone and blowing it up
dumb game
>no option for the BoS or Minutemen to simply occupy the facility instead of killing everyone and blowing it up
That would imply people would rebuild and actually get their shit together, which goes against Bethesdas design philosophy.
>doesn't have a non choice "choice" like yes man >this is somehow bad, because making decisions is too hard for some "people"
Disgusting. I bet you loved the "show" because of how "easy to watch" it was.
Institute definitely makes the most sense if you're hardcore roleplaying the storyline >find your kid >they're alive, much older than you expected but safe underground in a place that's clean and full of the modern conveniences your character would be dearly missing after spending time on the surface >your kid asks you to take over for them
Why would you say no?
Because they did some bad stuff to the surface dwellers? Those people EAT EACHOTHER. You've been up there, you've seen how bad it is.
Why would you ever turn against the institute, and your own child, and a safe and comfortable life to go back up to the surface and hang out with the fricking Railroad or the Minutemen or whatever?
only a complete fricking moron would do that
everyone would side with the institute in real life
siding with the institute is moronic
why would you side with the faction that killed your wife, abducted your kid, and have generally done creepy and evil shit (as far as you know) up until you first meet with them?
the whole point of the game until that point is that you've been looking for your son and the evil bastards that took him from you
you enter the room and there he is! Except apparently it's not him and the "real" Shaun comes in through the door. But how are you supposed to know or even believe that kid Shaun is just a synth and that this old man is your son? As far as you know that's your real son you've finally found in that glass room, but for some reason he doesn't remember you and then this random old man from the evil institute you've heard so much about walks into the room and jedi mind tricks him into "shutting down". The only logical course of action from this point is to blow off the old man's head with your combat shotty and try and rescue your son from this evil place.
In no world would your player character just sit there and listen calmly to the what this random old guy has to say after what you've been through and what you are seeing in front of you.
because nate/nora doesn't have the meta knowledge that bethesda won't allow the world state to advance any so they can still have the hope the wasteland can rebuild itself at some point
the single funniest fricking thing fo4 does is make water purifiers something your character can just build out of scrap parts and plunge into a dirty old puddle and function perfectly. the entire plots of 1 and 3 made completely moronic because some dumbass in boston is macguivering the fricking things out of some ash trays and old wrenches
I get the reasoning in 1 given that it’s about saving your vault and doing the whole ramshackle purifier shit wouldn’t really fit, but 3 has no excuse.
the water purifier in 3 was like a massive industrial-grade kind of thing that would have filtered massive bodies of water
the ones you build in 4 are smaller scale and only filter small amounts of water. You can make functioning water purifiers yourself, they're not complicated technology. It really just involves having water pass through sand or some other kind of filtration medium.
But the thing is why is water so scarce of any dumbass can build a purifier for a whole settlement.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I dunno, same reason nobody thought to clean up clutter or put up some actual solid walls for 100 years until you showed up
2 weeks ago
saucy
I don't think a water chip is a "good," like cast iron frying pans. It's more like a service, that people can rely on. The way we view it is as an object that a craftsman can make, when in reality, the replacement is just a chip that came from another Vault.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because you fricking can't do that in the most toxic place on the fricking planet. Compared to the capital wasteland, the commonwealth is essentially untouched you moron. Plus, nate knowing how to build a water purifier doesn't meant hat everyone does.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
But the levels of radiation in the water in both the capital and commonwealth are effectively the same and effect the player the same. Not to mention other settlements have purifiers and wells of their own, but they’re made out to be some kind of major and rare thing.
>if you're hardcore rolpeplaying
You don't understand roleplaying. In Fallout 4 you can roleplay all different kinds of characters with different personalities. You're nt just supposed to base everything off of how your character acts in the intro. The intro was probably not even you but either way, that's not how bethesda games worked. The stuff in the intro changes you into whoever you choose. It "wakes you up". Also, you're not even remotely correct because going off the intro, Nate is a badass motherfricker and wouldn't side with evil just because it has fricking clean toilets. He's an american hero. Going off of his personality and backstory, he would choose the bos or the minutemen, probably both. >those people eat each other
You mean the super mutants which the institute created eat humans? >how bas it is
It's not even that bad. Compared to the institute it is beautiful, and if you think the institute somehow looks better you have no soul. >your own child
Is he? And even if he is, he's like eighty years oldand he's evil. He chose that shit. He's not a baby anymore and he needs to pay for what he's done. He didn't need you to teach him right from wrong. He had eighty years to figure that shit put on his own and there's no excuse for why he didn't. He chose not to. He chose to die. >mentions railroad
Why? >everyone is a brainless soulless sl0p eating drone and would side with the one where they get to be lazy because it's convenient
Wrong. >no pizza rolls with fake cheese. WAH!
That's you.
How did he remember fighting in the war? How would Shaun have been able to simulate the moments of him on the front?
Who says he remembers that? No evidence of him remembering combat.
the dumbest thing about the Institute is when Father asks you to meet him on the roof
you go up there and he's looking down at a camp of raiders and he's like >I didn't realize it was this bad...
what
it's been 80 years, you can teleport to the surface, you have cameras all over the surface, you regularly get reports from the surface agents
and you didn't realize? a camp of raiders just doing regular raider shit is shocking to you?
That doesn't make any sense.
He didn't even look at raiders, he just looked at the cit building and cried because it was dirty or something. If you didn't decide you were going to kill him in that instant, then what the frick is going through your head? Unless you had already decided that earlier.
>Who says he remembers that? No evidence of him remembering combat
The intro cutscene literally shows him reminiscing on marching through Alaska during the war.
That was an intro cinematic, not a memory. Plus it shows a soldier, you don't know that it's him. His speech is decidedly not about him, it's about war, so it could have been any soldier. I never even considered that it might be Nate tbh. Where did you get that idea?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>That was an intro cinematic, not a memory
It literally is him talking about his time in the military and shows him looking at a picture of Nora as he walks off on patrol, and subsequently transitions to him looking into the mirror for the character creation.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it's him talking about his time in the military
No it's not, he's not about war and even spends a large portion of the speech talking about shit that happened long before he was born. >shows him looking at a picture of nora
At the very end of the cinematic. Obviously that was Nate, but not the soldier in the first shot or any other shots as far as we know.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it wasn’t him >okay it was him but only at the end
So like I said it was him, and he was talking about his experience which is something Shaun wouldn’t have known about.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bullshit, it wasn't fricking him. Only at the end you literal moron! And he wasn't talking about his experience, he was talking about war in general! everybody's experience. Frick you! >Shaun wouldn't have known about
Name a single thing he said in the speech that Shaun couldn't have known about. And that's not to mention stuff he couldn't make up.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Bullshit, it wasn't fricking him. Only at the end you literal
Which is exactly what I said, and he was talking about war while having a flashback to his time fighting the war >Name a single thing he said in the speech that Shaun couldn't have known about
His great great grandfather and the fact that he hadn’t met his son at that point.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>flashback to fighting
Bullshit. We only see his ass walking. And there's no reason to think it's a flashback or memory anyway. It was just an intro cinematic. >great great grandfather
They had control of the vault, and vault tec knew about his family's history of service to the country. That's the reason he gives you at the start of the game for why you get in for free. >hadn't met his son
There's no evidence to suggest that Shaun couldn't have known this. There are any number of ways he could have heard about that. He also could have made it up.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Bullshit. We only see his ass walking. And there's no reason to think it's a flashback or memory anyway. It was just an intro cinematic.
Semantics it still shows him in the war and doing something that only he would know about. >They had control of the vault, and vault tec knew about his family's history of service to the country
They had the bare minimum he had just signed up minutes before the bombs fell >There's no evidence to suggest that Shaun couldn't have known this
There is literally no way that he could have, the only people that would have known about it are Nate and Nora and one he hadn’t met and the other is dead.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>only he would know about walking
Nah I have to call bullshit in that. In fact, everybody in the entire game can walk. >they had the bare minimum becaus ehe had jsut signed up
Did you forget that Vault tec hunted him down, not the other way around? There's no telling how much vault tec knows, but we knw for a fact thye knew about the stuff that I said. plus it can't just be what you tell them, because you only tell them your special stats. That's literally all that's on his clipboard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Nah I have to call bullshit in that. In fact, everybody in the entire game can walk
he knew that specific moment of him on patrol in Alaska where he looked at the picture of Nora? >Did you forget that Vault tec hunted him down, not the other way around
You mean just like companies IRL? And guess what they don’t dig into you fricking genealogical records or care about family members that lived over a hundred years ago.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no evidence that he could have
There's no evidence either way, so don't say that he couldn't have. >only people who would have known are nate and nora
Bullshit. Why do you say that? They are just the only people we KNOW who knew about it. Anyone else COULD have known.
>shaun is evil because he ignores whats right
No, he wasn't taught what was right because he was raised by an evil faction, moron.
He's eighty years old, he doesn't need you to teach him right from wrong. He had all that time to learn on his own. All he needs is to pay for what he did.
He just wanted to cure his ghoul friends so he's protecting them until his friend returns with a cure. You can convince him to leave instead of killing him.
Oh yeah I kind of remember now. But isn't his friend dead as hell? And isn't it impossible to cure ghouls? And haven't his ferals killed people?
She’s one of the leaders of one of the raider gangs in Nuka World.
Oh yeah, I forgot her name. My bad. Isn't she the Operator's leader? And when you say she should have replaced the generic raider, who do you mean?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's the sad thing about his character. He doesn't know that you can't cure ghouls. So you can convince him to go after his only remaining friend.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Well I'm pretty sure I killed him, I don't remember why though. Do you need to pass a speech to get him to go? If so maybe I failed that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, you get more options to convince him if you find a holotape from his friend.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he's 80 years old
Not when he was fricking kidnapped, raised, and taught how to think by the devil
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, he's still 80. And the people of the Institute are normal people. And even if he was raised by demons, he could still be able to tell that it's wrong. It doesn't matter how one is raised. He had 80 years to come to terms with the fact that he was raised incorrectly. But he refused to fight that battle. He knew it was wrong, there's no way he couldn't. He chose to pretend like he didn't.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>normal
Normal people don't kidnap/murder/replace people in an ongoing terror campaign >he could still be able to tell it's wrong
Well evidently not, what kind of moron thinks humans are born with a universal sense of right of wrong?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>normal people don't do that
I mean they were regular humans. >what kind of moron thinks this thing that is true
Someone who lives in the world.
I felt it really underwhelming, you have a slow ass reload with low damage and not the punch of a sniper rifle
You need to PLAY THE GAMES. It was way way stronger than a sniper rifle and it reloads faster than one.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>regular humans
Regular humans can be evil, moron. That's the entire thematic payoff for President Richardson >someone who lives in the world
Someone who lives in the utopian world, the mere existence of criminals refutes this moronic notion. Shaun was raised to believe that humans on the surface are subhumans who dont have rights just like the enclave.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>c-criminals don't know they bad!!!
Yes they do. >Shaun was raised to believe this thing that I made up
No he wasn't. And it wouldn't matter because he still chose to ignore his heart. Like a fricking homosexual.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
When Scott Peterson murdered his 8 and a half months pregnant wife on Christmas eve and dump her body in the marina in 2004, he knew that what he was doing was illegal and that he would face legal and social consequences if he found out, but he didn't actually have any problem doing it because he's a psychopath. When urban youth rob a guy and laugh about it with their friends they do it because they don't have a moral compass. Personality is a combination of nature and nurture, when you're raised in a society where there are no consequences for murder of surface dwellers (quite the opposite, you're rewarded because of muh science) then you're going to have a malformed moral compass and you are literally a moron who hasn't developed a theory of mind as a (presumed) adult
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shaun's not a psychopath. >when urban youth rob a guy and laugh about it
Shaun's not black. >combination of nurture
Lies. "Nurture" never has anything to do with it. Live in the real world. >malformed moral compass
You can tell that he has a normal one and that he's just choosing to ignore it and making excuses for himself because he doesn't ant to face the truth that everything he's known was wrong. Learn media literacy or how to stop being an autist. >theory of mind
What the frick kind of lies are you talking about? You disgusting demon. Kys.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Alright moron, have one last (You)
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>There's no evidence either way, so don't say that he couldn't have.
Nice burden of proof fallacy, as it is you can’t prove he’s a synth and the logic saying he is, is flawed. >Bullshit. Why do you say that? They are just the only people we KNOW who knew about it
The only other people that would know about it have been dead for over two hundred years, how the frick would Shaun get the information if not from them, stop making excuses and use your head.
>Yeah you're not fooling anyone.
I'm not trying to it. It's my personal opinion that living in the Institute would be massively better than living on the surface. That seems obvious to me. >He didn't even look at raiders, he just looked at the cit building and cried because it was dirty or something
Wrong. He's at the edge of the roof looking down at a distinct raider camp and even comments on what they're doing. > If you didn't decide you were going to kill him in that instant, then what the frick is going through your head?
I went through hell to find my son. I'm not going to kill him in cold blood just because his organization has done some bad things to the surface dwellers. I would have far more empathy and connection to my son than to the morons on the surface who have done nothing but try to swindle and kill me since I emerged from cryostasis.
>Those people EAT EACHOTHER (sic)
Ya if only they could get their shit together long enough to form some sort of provisional government to help rebuild the waste- oh wait
broken mask incident was an accident
after that the trust was broken and the surface dwellers would never sit down and actually listen to anything the Institute has to say
It was allegedly an accident (pretty sure a terminal says the CPG was a threat to monitor or some shit).
Also it's still their fault for sending a kill droid to meeting, if telsa sold a self driving car that rammed into a parade there would rightfully be consequences. The fact that they just chose to completely give up on diplomacy after an "accident" they caused is not an argument for them not being evil
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>give up on diplomacy
the surface dwellers did too
there was no longer any chance of having meaningful or peaceful discussions with the surface because they'd made up their mind that the Institute was pure evil
why even attempt diplomacy at that point
plus - the surface dwellers have absolutely nothing to offer to the institute. No leverage, no bargaining chips, nothing to add, nothing they can even help with. They're a bunch of hicks who think the Institute is the bogeyman, what use would there be at all?
Meanwhile, contact with the surface puts the institute in direct mortal danger if any of them ever manage to figure out where they are located or how they travel to and from the institute.
Contacting the surface in good faith after the broken mask incident is a total lose-lose scenario with no benefits
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the surface dwellers did too
Of course they did, why the frick wouldn't they? As far as they know they've just been declared war on by an invisible subversive enemy that just assassinated their whole government.
If the japs did pearl harbor by accident and decided "the americans won't want to talk this out with us" then it would absolutely be their fault for not trying to fix THEIR mistake that looks indistinguishable from a declaration of war.
They could literally just send an endless waves of cheap gen 1 and 2 synths saying "we come in peace" until someone listens, you know, the thing they're already doing except instead of saying "we come in peace" they go around killing cats and invading canneries
>be Nate/Nora >see your spouse killed and son stole >finally crawl out of pod and see a ruined shithole >frantically search for your son >see giant freaks roam the land and robotic body snatchers >finally kill the fricker who stole your son and make your way to the base responsible for all this bullshit >turns out your son is an old man and is running the place >he also built a child synth version of himself >ask him what the frick he’s doing >not only does he refuse to tell you but he later casually bushes off your partner’s dead >somehow it makes sense you would join them no questions asked
>institute le bad
Yes. They are cartoonishly, nonsensically evil. Their experiments don't even produce anything of value or benefit to the people inside their secret base.
>Robots exist that can do menial tasks.
Not good enough, we need our own robots that can also have human tissue surrounding them like a terminator for ... reasons. They develop feelings of their own and want freedom. > Give your new definitely not terminator robots a code that can reset them, because you know that shit is happening.
Oh no, now we have to invent other robots to capture the escaped ones who didn't want to be controlled... who somehow never have a real emotion. This is somehow a genius move >Better start kidnapping people and replacing them with our robots so we can keep an eye on things out there. Also dip anyone we kidnap into FEV and dump them back into the commonwealth because reasons.
Why go to all that trouble?
What was their end game?
They wanted free labor, and ended up with invasion of the body snatchers meets terminator wit a splash of total recall memory augmentation and removal.
>Dad I’m giving you a sick ass underground lab that is literally the peak of technology in the world right now. Use it wisely.
>Frick you son. I’m going to destroy everything that you built. I don’t care about family or commonwealth. I just want to see this place burn so nothing will ever change and other factions will just tear each other apart in this endless wasteland.
>I don’t care about family or commonwealth
Neither does the institute given that they killed your wife and stole your son. Not to mention pretty much sabotage all efforts for people to rebuild.
Reminder that Shaun says he didn't expect you to survive. Also he made Codsworth make you go to concord alone.
the single funniest fricking thing fo4 does is make water purifiers something your character can just build out of scrap parts and plunge into a dirty old puddle and function perfectly. the entire plots of 1 and 3 made completely moronic because some dumbass in boston is macguivering the fricking things out of some ash trays and old wrenches
If you think building a well is comparable to wither onf those you're crazy and choosing to be wrong and stupid on purpose. Kys you lying piece of garbage. Go back to making "how it should have ended" videos on pooptube.
>literally the peak of technology in the world right now
Not even close. >I just want to see this place burn
When people chose that it was about vengeance, not chaos or whatever. He needed to pay for what he did, they all do.
>That's not a screenshot from fallout 4 you shilling troll!
I like Fallout 4, it's probably my second all time favorite game, but the lighting is terrible compared to FO3. Something went really bad after Skyrim with Bethesda's lighting engine. Even Special Edition has much worse lighting. I don't understand what went wrong.
>Even Special Edition has much worse lighting.
Huh? the lighting in special edition is miles better than original Skyrim's. Ditto with Fo4 comapred to Skyrim. Its only 76 that has shit lighting.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe I just prefer stylized lighting. Original Skyrim had a very cold feeling which fit the setting. Similar with FO3 having an irradiated feeling vs FO4 which doesn't.
The Institute could've easily been one of the more good aligned factions if they weren't so stupid and didn't do evil shit just for the sake of it. The Commonwealth could've been a great power, like NCR level, if they didn't keep destroying it.
>The only logical course of action from this point is to blow off the old man's head with your combat shotty and try and rescue your son from this evil place.
reminder that if you do this, the door remains locked and the quest is frozen with the whole institute turning hostile but you have no way to get out of the room so you have to just reload your save
Or you could just push the teleporter button to leave you idiot.
>Or you could just push the teleporter button to leave you idiot.
No, you can't yet. You don't have the teleporter option installed into your pip boy until after the conversation with Shaun.
If you blow his head off the second he walks in the door like that anon suggested, it traps you in the room and you can't leave. This is well documented. Go try it yourself.
I didn't say use your pipboy I said press the fricking button! It's right there just press it!!!! >go try it yourself
I have done this before, and I didn't "try" it, it was an unironic roleplaying choice. I just pressed the fricking button on the teleporter to leave and I continued the main quest with the bos or the minutemen, I don't remember which.
You moron, the door locks in Shaun's office. The place with kid synth shaun. If you blow off Older-Shauns' head "the moment he walks through the door" you are TRAPPED in that part of the institute and CANNOT GET BACK TO THE MAIN TELEPORTER WITH THE BUTTON
But what the frick is the Railroad gonna do after their work is done? Become raiders?
Disband. also
They will protest "Synth Lives Matter" in Diamond City
this.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Then how did I fricking do it then?
You either shot him at a different time than "as soon as he walks through the door" or you are just misremembering
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, I think it's you who are incorrect.
>The Institute's "tech" isn't even as good as bos tech
Lol, teleportation, the creation of synthetic animals and synths are universes ahead of the old BoS tech, which is not even something they created but inherited from the US military. The BoS are literal cavemen when compared with what the institute achieved in 200 years, meanwhile all the BoS can do is scrape old tech.
That shit is nothing compared to project purity or liberty prime. Plus all those examples you just gave don't really count as tech, they more count as evil. >inherited from the millitary
Bullshit, they created the prydwen, co created project purity, and finished liberty prime. They also make their own vertibirds but we don't have much information about that. >bos are cavemen
The Bos are what it looks like when Mankind has a steel grip on technology's leash, not the other way around. The image of a bos soldier in t60 marching with liberty prime is supposed to show you what humanity can achieve when they work together with technology, instead of being science's b***h. Institute can't control their shit, or themselves.
i have played every game. Do YOU know anything bout it?
>kill the ghouls, help the mutants find stealth boy shipments >kill the ghouls, kill the mutants >help/kill harland (he gets on the rockets if you help him) >speech harland or go find his dead girlfriend >tell the truth or lie to haversam (if you tell him the truth he mopes in novac) >collecting each material has 2 choices to go about it, ties back in to the shops in and around novac >can adjust the trajectory of the rockets for better or worse
each choice on the rockets and the npcs in reconn each have a different outcome for the town of novac in the ending cutscene, now use those jaws to choke on the end of my barrel
>can't choose to do anything except shitty "combat"(which the game doesn't want you to do) or click on the "dialogue"(quip) option that has brackets at the front.
Yeah there's no fricking choice. And this applies to everything in the entire "game". In Fallout 4 you can just do whatever the frick you want. You don't fricking fill out answer sheets or whatever, you do shit, within the fricking game engine. Everything that you just said is the exact same thing. Hit things with a weapon or click on brackets, sometimes both. And it's all for nothing. no matter what it ends the same way, everyone disappears and it had no effect but to waste your time, and you're left with regret because you had no fricking fun. >ending cutscene
Oh that's hilarious. Before I read that I thought you were a drone. Nice bait bro.
>i have played every game
You’re lying, the NCR is a major regional power that controls an area larger than the commonwealth and is at a level of development on par with late 19/early 20th century America.
last I heard they're still working on it but it's going to take fricking forever because of the scale of the project and the fact that, since theyr'e not allowed to use the original audio files, they have to re-record literally everything themselves
Why not just release the mod without audio and let other people provide the original audio in .bsa or loose file format in such a way that it can simply be dragged, dropped, and loaded by the mod?
I mean that's obviously what everyone's going to do anyway, no one wants to hear some modder's impersonation of Benny on a $15 Walmart mic (recorded outside for maximum sound quality)
>Why not just release the mod without audio and let other people provide the original audio in .bsa or loose file format
That's what everybody begged them to do but they decided it would be legally perilous to release it that way, since they're basically encouraging people to mod in the audio they're not allowed to use
They are being really careful as to not get the project shut down. I disagree with their decision but that's what they've decided to do.
Well, at least they're thinking ahead. I revisited the videos for the first time in forever. Honestly, their Swanick wasn't bad. Keeping the >laterr >:^)
was a nice touch
the dumbest thing about the Institute is when Father asks you to meet him on the roof
you go up there and he's looking down at a camp of raiders and he's like >I didn't realize it was this bad...
what
it's been 80 years, you can teleport to the surface, you have cameras all over the surface, you regularly get reports from the surface agents
and you didn't realize? a camp of raiders just doing regular raider shit is shocking to you?
>side with institute and attack BOS >during the battle Maxson himself comes out in his full power armor >at the same time, the Institute relays in the two synth gorillas from the lab >I watch from the rooftop as they overwhelm Maxson and rip him apart in his armor
I wonder what he was thinking at that moment
he wouldn't even know what a gorilla is
>Minutemen are stupid because they depend on you to help their settlements and practically everything else to help improve them. >Railroad is stupid because they only care about robots than actual humans, and will be pretty much out of a job when the Institute are no more. Only a braindead idiot would side with them. >Brotherhood of Steel are stupid because they don't occupy the institute bunker after cleaning it out, as there is a ton of other useful tech in their besides a synth printer, but they're too lazy to dismantle it and must nuke the whole fortress. I don't think they even download any tech information to a holodisk, and even then, how are they gonna replicate teleportation tech? >Institute is are stupid because of a whole line-up of reasons. Creating Super Mutants and unleashing them in the commonwealth. Abducting and replacing people with robots, killing the originals for frick knows what reason. Practically doing anything to hinder progress of Commonwealth rebuilding, and only blame the Commonwealth for it.
stay underground with their nuclear power source fueling them for hundreds or even thousands of years if need be until the surface becomes closer to habitable again and then use what they've learned and built underground to restore civilization to the surface
when you meet them, they clearly think it's still too early to save the surface (and they're right) so they resolve to stay underground as long as needed
>and they're right
Except they aren’t, the NCR created a functioning state in the span of one 80 years, not to mention a good amount of the issues on the surface are the institutes fault.
the institute has a tiny fraction of the manpower of the NCR
The Commonwealth is actively hostile to them, as evidenced by the fact that once they know the location of the institute they all seek to destroy it
Now is not a good time for the Institute to resurface and reveal themselves. The people are not ready. The Brotherhood is also there. Their best bet is to wait.
I meant the commonwealth, they just decided that everything on the surface was beyond hope when your actions show very clearly that they’re wrong. The people of the commonwealth could easily rebuild shit if it wasn’t for the institute constantly fricking with everything.
>functioning
You have never played a video game in your life.
his arguments were and are irrefutable, its just that his minions conveniently lied to him about the females being able to reproduce and he trusted them, if supermutants could have sex and reproduce unity would objectively be the future of mankind
>Objectively best future is to have the fricking mind of a rat constantly screeching in your brain forever
What?
"Father" is a homosexual and needs to die, but the Institute is entirely too useful to destroy.
What use could they possibly have?
>reform the institute
Shaun is pure evil because he spent his life in the institute, hence the institute is pure evil
Shaun is pure evil because he willingly chooses to ignore what's right, because it's easier that way. All he cares about is "comfort" or whatever. Dude is fricking going to hell.
But the levels of radiation in the water in both the capital and commonwealth are effectively the same and effect the player the same. Not to mention other settlements have purifiers and wells of their own, but they’re made out to be some kind of major and rare thing.
>state fact backed up by the games >NOOOO PLAY THE GAMES REEEEEE
Jesus Christ, why are there so many of you morons on here. It’s like a fricking daycare.
BoS gives zero shits. They aren't going to spend time growing/harvesting the food the Institute puts into the dispensers when they can just strong arm food from local farmers just fine.
STOP LYING AND PLAY THE GAME! The Brotherhood are heroes, they don't do that shit!
to make the ultimate robotic workforce that can adapt to changing job conditions on the fly so actual humans can spend all of their time studying and advancing science without having to worry about trivial tasks like building maintenance.
Kellogg mentions in his memories that shaun was a pet project of "the Old Man"
Virgil timeline does not match up unless you believe he has been in hiding for decades and the Institute has done nothing to clean up the FEV lab in that time
When you get to Diamond City and they talk about Kellogg's house it makes no sense for this to have happened decades ago
Not him but >Kellogg mentions in his memories that shaun was a pet project of "the Old Man"
Not him but no. Kellogg doesn't say this. >Virgil timeline does not match up unless you believe he has been in hiding for decades and the Institute has done nothing to clean up the FEV lab in that time
Virgil escaped shortly before the game began. You can find terminal entries in the FEV lab how the Institute had been continuing the experiments into modern day for seemingly no reason. This is why Virgil got angry and left. >When you get to Diamond City and they talk about Kellogg's house it makes no sense for this to have happened decades ago
It didn't happen decades ago. Kellogg was with synth Shaun.
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he does say the pet project line >It wasn't my idea to settle down with the kid in the middle of Diamond City. I thought it was a terrible idea, actually. But it was one of the old man's pet projects, so here we were. Me and the kid like a happy little family.
but it can be interpreted that he is referring to synth shaun
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>kellogg doesn't say this
Not him, but yeah he does. I remember that very well.
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Kellogg sure as frick says old man, even though he himself is old as frick. And when you encounter him, he's over a hundred years old. And again he's NOT a synth, he's a borg.
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I honestly think Kellogg calling him "the old man" when it doesn't make sense for the timeline is just a legitimate writing mistake that they hoped nobody would notice
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>I honestly think Kellogg calling him "the old man" when it doesn't make sense for the timeline is just a legitimate writing mistake that they hoped nobody would notice
Except it makes perfect sense for the timeline.
-The old man who ordered him to turn off the Cryo pods was the then leader of the Institue.
-Shaun, the guy wondering him around, was an old man when he made that line in the diamond City flashback.
both of them were old men at the time those comments were made.
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I'm still wrapping my head as to how is Kellogg still look like he's in his 40s/50s while he's like 108. What sort of miracle science has he been augmenting himself with?
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remember all those implants you can get in NV? not even including the Big MT stuff, just the one doctor in the mojave
Stuff like that but probably better
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I feel Kellogg is basically a lost Fallout protag, who's experienced it all like all the other ones. But somehow dies like a b***h because he's not the protag (anymore).
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It is unrealistic for Nate/Nora to kill Kellogg. Someone who's not only heavily augmented, but has around a hundred years of combat experience, dying to someone who literally stepped out of a cryotube like not even a month ago. This dude should also be over level 100 as well.
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And if it's institute tech, why the frick would BoS want to destroy it? Cybernetics like that would be vital for them.
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See
The BoS has every reason to blow it up
1. They've always sought to destroy technology that can't be controlled. FEV chief among them. And synths are made using FEV
2. Maxson's BoS is only about 500 people large across all divisions by the time of Fallout 4, they don't have the manpower to waste trying to occupy a small city like the Institute while also continuing other operations.
3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
4. Keeping it intact just leads to the possibility of the Institute survivors finding a way to reclaim ti and start shit all over again.
BoS generally doesn't care about cybernetics since Fallout 1. No one in Fo3, NV, or 4, is shown to be augmented.
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He says old man, not that it was said old man's pet project.
Shaun was turned into DNA paste and is now the template for synths, every third generation synth is technically your son, including curie. The old man running the institute wanted to frick with you one last time before his ass cancer got him, so he made up some unverifiable shit.
The institute is evil because if you are not moronic you understand they are creating synths as their slaves so they can easily replace the wastelanders killing them all
>so they can easily replace the wastelanders killing them all
Except, if the Institute actually wanted to kill everyone on the surface they could just teleport some coursers into the middle of major cities like diamond City and Goodneighbor and do it in an instant.
The Institute doesn't care about killing everyone on the surface, they barely care about the surface as is.
They can't do that because the institute is much smaller than every faction in the commonwealth, that's why they been slowly replacing people with synths, so when the time comes they can just send the order 66 and kill the remaining humans
There's no point leaving survivors to escape the wasteland where they'll take their research with them for someone else to benefit, especially the Enclave kind
If you're BoS there should have been an ultimatum with the scientists given bomb collars or decimated to instill fear and loyalty
All of the Brotherhood's scientists are still too low IQ to figure out most of the Institute's tech so they need to keep some if not most of the scientists alive, they can dispose of them later
The Railroad has no need to destroy the Institute, they'll be useless as an organization without them and they don't have a real army unlike the Brotherhood or even the Minutemen
The BoS has literally zero reason to blow it up, it's a literal bunker, and would give them a strong foothold in the Commonwealth, far more so than a fricking giant target in the sky.
The BoS has every reason to blow it up
1. They've always sought to destroy technology that can't be controlled. FEV chief among them. And synths are made using FEV
2. Maxson's BoS is only about 500 people large across all divisions by the time of Fallout 4, they don't have the manpower to waste trying to occupy a small city like the Institute while also continuing other operations.
3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
4. Keeping it intact just leads to the possibility of the Institute survivors finding a way to reclaim ti and start shit all over again.
>3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
Maybe in old Fallout or Obsidiot Fallout but in Bethesda Fallout they went out of their way to ensure that the water purifier worked and were willing to sacrifice one of their kind to do so.
They'll whack the synth technology, FEV and maybe the teleporters but not the useful ones where they can monopolize.
You forget, Lyons, who was cut off from the rest of the BoS for his divergent ways, wanted the purifier. Maxson took the BoS back to their roots in Fo4.
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YOU FRICKING LIAR! PLAY THE VIDEO GAME! STOP REGURITATING RANDOM ASS FRICKING LIES THAT YOU HEARD FROM POOPTUBE
PLAY
THE
GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>Maxson took the BoS back to their roots in Fo4.
Ah yes, back to destroying technology like they used to do.
lmao
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They make ot very clear that they see synths as paramoint to nuclear weapons if not more deatructive to humanity.
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But why nuke the bunker? Synth wasn't the only technology left inside, they also had plenty of weapon and armor development.
Aren't those supposed to be of interest to the brotherhood?
They'd dump the FEV and swap back to gen 1 synths. Nothing wrong with supplementing your forces with robots so long as they're actual robots and not clones either brain chips.
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Gen 1 synths are more worthless then regular pre-war robots. Even the Institute was just dumping them on the surface for how useless they were.
>one of their own kind
They were willing to sacrifice their whole entire order if they had to. They fought a war for it, against the enclave. And all they had were ancient unmaintained rusty t45 suits and crappy hunting rifles, sometimes assault rifles(at like twenty percent condition) if they were lucky. People died.
>3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
Ah, a new reason to hate the Brotherhood added to my list
Go away troll. This bait won't work because we know you're not actually just some guy who's falling for this.
>won't "whack" useful tech
They did though. They had to destroy the entire institute, as punishment. And to ensure no survivors who would threaten their future again.
>3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
Ah, a new reason to hate the Brotherhood added to my list
1. They've always been interested in preserving what can help them, everything the institute has would be of great interest
2. Maxson is all about expansion and recruitment, an unassailable base would help that goal
3. Tech like say... A water purifier? Totally uninterested.
4. Pull an America and turn the surviving scientists into scribes.
>3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
Pretty sure Hydroponics is still a pretty big deal for them given how they live in bunkers, similar to the one that they blew up.
Nope. Both Veronica and House mention in NV that the BoS doesn't care about farming or shit like that. They even send Veronica out to get food and shit in NV because they don't do that themselves. In Fallout 4 it mentioned the BoS mainly get their food from protection rackets they establish with farming committees.
The BoS does not care about non military/weapons tech.
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Sure they are not interested in agriculture themselves but the Institute has literal food dispensers
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BoS gives zero shits. They aren't going to spend time growing/harvesting the food the Institute puts into the dispensers when they can just strong arm food from local farmers just fine.
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That's literal raider behavior.
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Yes, the BoS are literally a tech focused raider-like cult. Welcome to Fallout.
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They weren't like that in Fallout 1, even though there were rumors of it. They traded stuff for food.
The don't live in bunkers, they live in either the Citadel or the Prydwen.
Why would Shaun be able to replicate the memories of his fathers tour during the Sino-American war? How would he know the specific speech his father was going to give?
>why would he know the speech
Who says he did? It's not hard to make something up you moron. And considering you don't have control of what he says that would make a lot of sense. >sino american war
What?
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>Who says he did? It's not hard to make something up you moron
It is considering that it’s based on shit that only Nate would know and understand yes it would be >What?
You’re a fricking moron and a lorelet, don’t respond to me again and play the fricking games https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Sino-American_War?so=search
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You need to learn to play the fricking games you moron. Stop posting reedit lies and shit on here. Just play them. "Wikis" aren't games.
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>doesn’t know basic shit that’s mentioned in the first minutes of the first game >starts having a temper tantrum to cope.
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You will never find any instance of the word "sino" in ANY game.
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Sino means Chinese moron, just stop, you already outed yourself as a lorelet, don’t make a further embarrassment of yourself now.
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The Prydwen is a terrible excuse of a mobile HQ. Yeah sure it's a sky fortress that can rain down ordinance and veribirds, but it's also a huge ass target that can literally be shot down by artillery fire.
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And it doesn't help that the Brotherhood of Steel is doing everything in it's power to piss everyone around it off, including the Minutemen.
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>including the Minutemen.
Only if you're a liberal cuck who sides with the Railroad. Which is fitting since you like trains an on you.
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>can literally be shot down by artillery fire.
Which no one besides the Mintuemen has been shown to have. And even they had to built numerous artillery weapons to overwhelm the Prydwen's defenses.
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Even w/o artillery, the fricking minutemen can still wipe the BoS off the fricking map if regrouped. BoS is not a huge ass army.
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Except the Prydwen is cool and badass and it works so what are you b***hing about?
And it doesn't help that the Brotherhood of Steel is doing everything in it's power to piss everyone around it off, including the Minutemen.
They didn't so anything to the minutemen! The minutemen and bos are bros! they're tight. Minutemen can only shoot them if you're also with the railroad.
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>They didn't so anything to the minutemen!
Don't they take one of your settlements to use for provisions or something?
>3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
Not true, they used to have pretty good knowledge of medical implants. Obviously things have changed since when the Brotherhood was only found at Lost Hills, but "never" is a strong word.
Liar, they have every reason to do so, least of all for vengeance. The Institute is science being in charge of man, that can not be allowed to exist.
Yeah, the BoS is moronic, they are of the opinion that "this is all too dangerous we have to destroy it"
It is though. what are they going to do with it? There's nothing you can do with it that would help humanity, which is all the brotherhood does.
>be Brotherhood >send Sole Survivor to find nukes in the Glowing Sea and in an abandoned fort >blow up an entire underground facility filled with tech that they can't even fathom
Why say this lie? What do you gain from it? Why do you make things up?
The BoS has every reason to blow it up
1. They've always sought to destroy technology that can't be controlled. FEV chief among them. And synths are made using FEV
2. Maxson's BoS is only about 500 people large across all divisions by the time of Fallout 4, they don't have the manpower to waste trying to occupy a small city like the Institute while also continuing other operations.
3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
4. Keeping it intact just leads to the possibility of the Institute survivors finding a way to reclaim ti and start shit all over again.
>only 500 people
This isn't true, they're actually very huge. >never cared about medical or farming tech
Bullshit, what was project purity? I mean it was of the same genre as medical/farming tech anyway. >institute survivors
They weren't as worried about them as they were of synth survivors. Elder Maxson believes that synths will one day decide that the existence of humans is no longer nessecary. And keep in kind there is no terminator movie in fallout, so he didn't just get that idea from science fiction. It's his own original idea, canonically.
>This isn't true, they're actually very huge.
Except it is true
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Brotherhood_registration
BoS registration system seen in Fallout 4 can only support numbers up to 999, and the highest numbers seen in-game are in the high 400s. >Bullshit, what was project purity? I mean it was of the same genre as medical/farming tech anyway.
Project Purity was the vanity project of elder Lyons, a guy CUT OFF from the rest of the BoS for going against their ways. Fallout 4 repeatedly mentions how Maxson rolled back Lyons' changes. >They weren't as worried about them as they were of synth survivors. Elder Maxson believes that synths will one day decide that the existence of humans is no longer nessecary. And keep in kind there is no terminator movie in fallout, so he didn't just get that idea from science fiction. It's his own original idea, canonically.
He got the idea from John Henry Eden, an AI the BoS combated before.
Play the games you fricking subhuman, room temp IQ, mongrel.
>maxson went back on lyon's changes
FRICKING BULLSHIT PLAY THE DAMN GAMEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
They never ever once said this shit! The ONLY thing that they said is that some people were tired of Lyon's foolish ways. The only thing we see that the brotherhood has changed is that they're better and stronger, they no longer allow civilians to have power armor(unless they're using it for good), and they take recruits. Lyons didn't take recruits which was idiotic, and more than likely the only thing they were talking about. And that wasn't a change he made, it was one he didn't make.
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>they no longer allow civilians to have power armor
Tell that to the raiders that wear it.
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They shoot raiders.
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The raiders that they kill on sight?
>he is "good"
Frick your reddit factions, choose the best gang. For me, it's the operators.
I always liked the pack because they're colorful and stuff. Operators are lame and boring and try to hard to be edgy. Claiming they only care about "the job" and "business" and that all that matters in the world is money. I don't want to hear anyone say the disciples are more edgy, they're not. At least the disciples enjoy what they do.
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>we just like to kill because.. it's fun lol
Disciples are shadow the hedgehog the gang
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No they're not, the operators are. Doesn't shadow the hedgehog not like to kill? Isn't he all about business? I don't really know for sure though, I haven't played Sonic.
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The Brotherhood only helps themselves
they don't care about Humanity as a whole
They are just raiders with access to more advanced technology than most others
>This isn't true, they're actually very huge.
Except it is true
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Brotherhood_registration
BoS registration system seen in Fallout 4 can only support numbers up to 999, and the highest numbers seen in-game are in the high 400s. >Bullshit, what was project purity? I mean it was of the same genre as medical/farming tech anyway.
Project Purity was the vanity project of elder Lyons, a guy CUT OFF from the rest of the BoS for going against their ways. Fallout 4 repeatedly mentions how Maxson rolled back Lyons' changes. >They weren't as worried about them as they were of synth survivors. Elder Maxson believes that synths will one day decide that the existence of humans is no longer nessecary. And keep in kind there is no terminator movie in fallout, so he didn't just get that idea from science fiction. It's his own original idea, canonically.
He got the idea from John Henry Eden, an AI the BoS combated before.
Play the games you fricking subhuman, room temp IQ, mongrel.
>they went back on Sarah's changes
They did not and they state multiple times in the game how they did not. There are terminals everywhere on their ship confirming this. You hear people talk about this game thinking the BoS act like the Exiles in 3 or whatever the dead money guy's name was, they don't. A few examples. >leniency towards technology such as funding rnd projects like a safer radaway or letting animals on the ship for research purposes >logs making it explicit that they are to TRADE for food and medicine rather than just raiding like they did in new vegas
The change was to become more militant with their approach along with resuming the confiscation/destruction of harmful technology like the synth shit. But as I said, they're more liberal with technology than other game's depictions where they'd torch a caravan over a laser pistol.
>if you're bos, you know, the AMERICAN MILITARY who have a history of fighting with nothing but their heart and soul and giving their lives to fight for freedom and piece for the american people and asking nothing in return, you should have had the option to FRICKING ENSLAVE PEOPLE.
Play the gamessss1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >bortherhood can't figure out gay lame tech
Bullshit, yes they could. The Institute's "tech" isn't even as good as bos tech(legions of t-60, mass produced vertibirds, an enormous war airship, LIberty Prime, they even helped make project purity and it is essentially theirs) in the first place but that doesn't matter because the bos is a thousand million times smarter than the institute anyway. >railroad has no need to destroy the institute
So you know nothing about the game, not even the basics?
>The Institute's "tech" isn't even as good as bos tech
Lol, teleportation, the creation of synthetic animals and synths are universes ahead of the old BoS tech, which is not even something they created but inherited from the US military. The BoS are literal cavemen when compared with what the institute achieved in 200 years, meanwhile all the BoS can do is scrape old tech.
You can't name a single thing wrong with the "system" or the "writing". Go back to enjoying your onions milk and your fumko poops while you watch the qu1ppy tv "show".
>be Brotherhood >send Sole Survivor to find nukes in the Glowing Sea and in an abandoned fort >blow up an entire underground facility filled with tech that they can't even fathom
FO4's factions don't have any real distinctions. >Institute: "lol we built bots. We just do, don't worry about it" >BoS: "We hate the bots!" >The Railroad: "We're poor and stinky lol!" >Minute Men: "HURR DURR! HURR DURR! HURR DURRRRRR!"
There is no way society and nature wouldn't go back in 200 years, now Fallout is trapped in the same state forever because there is no way to end it properly
They're not painted favorably at all. The main BoS character is a deserter who let his Knight die because he was a jerk, then stole his armor and just pretends to be a Knight when really he's a traitor and his plan is to escape with the vault girl to go live in her vault and get pussy
And the loyalists are depicted as brainwashed and so sheltered that they don't even understand what sex is.
>you are a vault dweller >realize your vault is connected in a complex underground network with multiple vaults across america >people live in the tunnels, there's raiders and factions >procedurally generated looter shooter
Shaun is an incel, the least he could have done is leave behind an actual grandchild manchild/womancel so that Nate/Nora can be a young grandpa/grandma.
I liked all the Fallout games.
I just wish the writing on the Bethesda titles was better, the gameplay is tight, it's just that the main story is usually spotty, or in the case of Fallout 4 lacking in options because everyone but the Minutemen are morally grey and you can do nothing to fix it.
Frick you Emil.
>ITT: Ganker suffers retrograde amnesia regarding FO4 being THE definitive reddit fallout title
maybe it's the collective brain damage Ganker suffered considered the very next year was when the internet lost its collective shit but wasn't there a time when the cognitive requirement meant something like modding a title was no biggy?
since when does Ganker blow any game studios, let alone BRAPthesda
Doesn't matter, the Minutemen will show up in Season 2 and will destroy Liberty Prime (powered by cold fusion).
The ghoul will find out that his ex-wife (who is in cryostasis) and his ghoul negress daughter are in San Francisco while Lucy heads back to Vault 33 along with the Minutemen.
Maximus joins the Minutemen and leaves the Brotherhood behind. Enclave shows up in the post-credit scene.
He just wanted to cure his ghoul friends so he's protecting them until his friend returns with a cure. You can convince him to leave instead of killing him.
Nuka World should have traded the generic raider for Mags Black
Also an option to invade and occupy it with the faction of your choice (Minutemen, Institute, Brotherhood of Steel, Railroad) along with the option of going Doomguy
Who is mags black? Is he from the tabletop thing? >should have had an option to let faction take it over
Well they can't do everything. It was already a huge expansion plus it added new mechanics.
Tying the settlement system to one faction was their biggest mistake with the game. They even tease it with that one Railroad mission where you set up a safehouse for them on top of a settlement. Imagine how much more significant the faction choice would feel if you were brotherhood, setting up brotherhood bases and then you beat the main quest and now the roads are patrolled by the brotherhood, with brotherhood checkpoints everywhere.
That one cherry picked graph of 3 vs nv quests seemed pretty sincere, I think people are larping themselves into not liking nv (the greatest game ever made)
Look man she's not actually a tomboy. Elder Lyon's comment about her sometimes forgetting she's a girl is just because she never takes off her power armor and never dates any boys. That's more because she's a dedicated soldier. >killed her
Umm the bos never killed Sara, she died in battle against super mutants. >zoomer haircut
No, you may be blind. Plus didn't this game come out before zoomers even had their iconic look?
Dude had a crush on her, that was anything but convenient. Also have you met Maxson? He's a hero and he believes in everything that he's doing. He's not some shady butthole who smothers people in their sleep.
Yeah, you get more options to convince him if you find a holotape from his friend.
You know, I did find that holotape. My guess is that I chose a different dialogue option for roleplaying reasons. Like I wasn't the kind of guy who shows people holotapes first before voicing my own thoughts.
Minutemen are good as the East Coast NCR equivalent. People complained about Bethesda using Enclave and BoS instead of making new factions but when they make new ones they lose their shit.
>People complained about Bethesda using Enclave and BoS instead of making new factions but when they make new ones they lose their shit.
Because Bethesda writing is fricking shit.
>only preston does
That's actually the General's Armor you get int he Castle. You can also outfit your settlers to have minutemen outfits and hats. Mine are blue due to a great mod.
The Minutemen should have laser muskets instead of weak pipe weapons
They also need to scale when you reach certain main missions and levels
By the ending they should be all wearing Revolutionary war uniforms and have maxed out laser muskets, .50cal hunting rifles, service rifles and missile launchers
Not fair when Institute have Coursers and BoS will shit out Star Paladins
The Gunners >style themselves on pre-war military >will do any job as long as the caps are good >you are an actual Pre-War Military veteran >can't join them >can't even talk to them >can't hire them to help you
wasted opportunity
ex-gunner, no longer associated and now just an independent merc
it's not the same as getting to interact with the whole faction
they just shoot you on sight for no reason and have zero depth to them beyong that, despite Nate being exactly the kind of person they should be interested in recruiting or taking a job from
I haven't gotten there yet but what's the deal with raider outposts? You just make a raider settlement, sacrifice another settlement to feed the raider settlement, then all the raiders there just walk around doing nothing and you can get a small amount of caps if you travel half the world over to the tribute chest? Is that it? You can't have the raider npcs raid anything or what?
Also why's even the Brotherhood even in the Commonwealth? To wipe out the Synths and Mutants? Okay for who's gain? Their own? Because we know they certainly don't give a frick about the Commonwealth or the locals of it.
Everyone in the world has literally always thought they were good. Get used to it. No matter how many times you lie and shill, you will never be able to control reality and cold hard facts will remain unmoving.
idk, Ganker does a pretty good job at making me hate bots.
>Is there a more reddit opinion?
LEGION AND ENCLAVE ARE LE BAD AND YOU SHOULDN'T JOIN THEMEMEMMEEM
thank you for the gold kind stranger!
Imagine simping for larping morons. Absolute Reddit moment
>Imagine simping for larping morons.
You don't understand anything, the only solution is to support Lanius and kill all the other morons and return to the Philosopher-kingship
Meanwhile in real life their all Hamas supporters because MUH OPPRESSED
The happiest ending EASILY is the Minutemen+BOS+Railroad ending where you blow up the institute BUT save everbody (let them escape before exploding everything).
Literally no casualties apart from some synths (Black person equivalent) and Shaun (homosexual)
You just doomed the world
Fricking KINO. troony Vegas could never
Ever person in your game is a homosexual trannies are playing fallout 4 right now. Two the factions in New Vegas have a story and build the world up even the legion all the Institute does is murder random people and steal there stuff and dumb monsters into the waste land. Nothing they have done or will do will improve anyone's life but there own.
>t. Instute slayer
>troony Vegas
Coming from the Fallout 41% player
Basado, troon vegas gays malding hard rn
no seriously, somebody fricking tell me what dialect "basado" is meant to be parodying when someone really just wants to say based
all these years and i still don't fricking get it. Is it meant to make you sound mexican? Because that's the kind of greasy Black person i think of whenever someone uses this moronic homosexual zoomer term
just hispanics adding a vowel to everything as usual
Wapanese you fricking illiterate morons
Engrishu
>ベースド
>Basado
in what fricking world
If it was aping Japanese it would be beisuto, not whatever abomination you said.
Yes sirs they are malding jeets are numbah 1
idk if this is ironic but if me, the person I am right now, were granted with the exact options F4 grants to a PC
there is literally no way I'm not choosing Institute and reforming it, which is signalled by the game
in fact F4 is the only RPG where I couldnt go with the de facto option (BoS) and went for the "evil" faction in my first playthrough as you just cannot build up such a marvellous scientific breakthrough
i am sorry but the R&D will go on and my SS will rebuild the wastes in his just visage
>reform the institute
Shaun is pure evil because he spent his life in the institute, hence the institute is pure evil
This is bullshit. The institute never wanted to help anyone, and also the broken mask incident was not the first synth nor was he up there by mistake. The Institute is just like the Enclave, except slightly better. The institute just wants to kill everybody who is not them. Also, they won't ever cure super mutants. Didn't they order virgil's death just because he felt bad about experimenting n innocent civilians and turning them into mindless soulless cannibalistic monsters? There's a reason you had to give vergil the serum and he had to finish it in the glowing sea where the institute could not reach him.
See, you're just ignoring everything that happens in the game and also making random shit up. You sound just like the drones who say brotherhood bad.
you're responding to an ESL-made bait image
>The institute just wants to kill everybody who is not them
I can sympathize. Guess i'll join up with them, then.
The institute are just discount Big MT. They do science shit for the sake of it only they don’t have the excuse of being senile brains in jars stuck in a logic loop.
Virgil was a bad person for going against obvious progress for the benefit of a few. Its like a cop feeling bad for isis terrorists and letting them escape
What the frick are you talking about? WHAT THE FRICK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????
Small brain
>The institute just wants to kill everybody who is not them
Yeah, that's why they're researching more efficient crops on the surface, to grow veggies so good people just die from how healthy and tasty they are. moron.
>yeah bro we want to make life on the surface better
>unleashes super mutants
>massacres settlements
>constantly bodysnatching people
>sabotage any efforts to rebuild
Real fricking humanitarian.
I think the cherry on top is Shaun considering the Commonwealth unfixable, and not even blaming his organization for the destruction that mostly made it that way.
I mean there are functioning settlements and in the span of the game I’ve built up dozens of others in the span of a day, but I suppose the doddering moron wants to just ignore that for some reason.
Nope, irredeemable. Gotta turn everyone into synths for some reason.
And the trade network? And the military force? I mean most of my settlements are fusion powered and have shops, amenities, and even luxuries.
It's not black or white. The Institute wants to control and fix the surface world, not destroy it. Bodysnatching is done just for that. Dividing and sabotaging the surface is necessary in order to keep factions from destroying the Institute, a very realistic threat since that what you do with 3/4 factions in the game, and the super mutants are a "controlled" threat used for the same purpose.
Except they show absolutely no actual interest in taking the surface and are satisfied just staying underground indefinitely, in fact their main quest revolves around just that. And no one would have cared about them or even known about them if they didn’t start fricking with people on a regular basis. Also you left out the Super mutants and the massacres.
I never said they want to conquer the surface or even move there, they're a bunch of science nerds who never held a gun in their lives, they would be killed or raped by the weakest raider gang 10 minutes after setting foot on the surface! They are happy to control things from behind the curtain while staying safe in their little idyllic hole.
>no one would have cared about them or even known about them if they didn’t start fricking with people
Before they started fricking up with people, they tried to gather with different settlements to try and form a united government. It didn't work and they lost hope and decided they wanted nothing with anyone directly, the reasons why aren't clear, that's when they turned isolationist/manipulative.
>you left out the Super mutants
No I didn't
>and the massacres
Necessary evil. Again, it's not black or white.
You said they wanted to fix the surface, which by their actions and attitude they at best don’t care and at worst make shit worse.
>Before they started fricking up with people, they tried to gather with different settlements to try and form a united government
Ah the massacre at the CPG where they decided to decimate the leadership of the region because of political gridlock, totally justified and normal behavior to take
>Necessary evil. Again, it's not black or white
Explain what massacring some back water settlement is going to do for them? Because if it’s about scaring people then that’s stupid since no one knows where they are and all it does is build resentment for them which eventually turns into organizations like the railroad forming to stop their bullshit. Or the BOS getting involved.
>Necessary evil
the insane part of this is you're not trying to claim they're a well-written faction, you're trying to claim they had any actual morality at all.
the institute if looked at as a scientific powerhouse but poorly managed with no actual end goals is a well written faction, they fit the bill as people with the means to do the right thing but neither the competence or the will to. trying to frame them as misunderstood heroes who meant well but faced backlash is a fricking insane person's take that sounds like you've never played the game at all. no part of the institute is reasonable, they have no real goals outside of father's aimless moral grandstanding and their methods are some of the dumbest shit ever (trying to win over the populace with a horde of mechanical skinwalkers instead of just regular fricking robots like the wasteland is already filled with). the only actual end goal anyone at the institute has is endless experiments like they're fricking aperture science, and thats the only angle you could take the faction in that would make them well-constructed in a meta narrative sense. anything else is just fanfiction mixed with total nonsense
The funniest thing is that if you do side with the institute and achieve their goal of unlimited energy, they just continue fricking with the surface anyway. They're clearly not well-meaning.
Indeed, what's wrong with people defending themselves from body snatchers and murderers.
>They're clearly not well-meaning.
I think a lot of people look at the tech they have and see the potential without actually looking at what they do on a regular basis, like they are like if someone made glowies into Saturday morning cartoon villains.
>puts a fricking bounty on the millitary and the civilian millitia
What’s wrong with people defending themselves in a place where there are raiders, mercenaries, and literal monster running around
They don't have the right to defend themselves. The military and the militia want to kill them because they are evil. The military and the militia are the ones who defend the human race.
Umm dude what are you talking about? No one else has those crops except themselves. They're not planning on using them on the surface until they return to the surface, which they are not planning to do until everything else is dead. This is fact, it's not up for debate.
There's an entire quest about going to the surface to help a Synth farmer that grows and sells modified crops south of Boston, with seeds provided by the Institute. Impossible to miss unless you choose not to side with the Institute
>we just wanted to help people thats why we've been mass-producing supermutants and releasing them on the surface
insane that people are trying to go to bat for fo4's stupid writing
The same thing happened with The Master in Fallout 1 and he's heralded as a genius with an irrefutable argument.
>with an irrefutable argument.
Literally no one says this
one of the ways to beat him is to show him irrefutable scientific evidence that his plan is moronic, what the hell are you talking about?
Well I'm looking at the comments of multiple videos now, and people are arguing the impressive nature of his argument; which apparently is complete dogshit if we ask you on 4chinz.
The Master is eloquent and well reasoned within the information he has, but he's a famous RPG antagonist because he's incredibly, objectively wrong about everything. When he discovers the truth he's horrified and commits suicide, a narrative decision that many CRPG's have tried to emulate over the years with varying degrees of success.
He kills himself because he learns about the sterility of Super Mutants, not because his plans were wrong. He explicitly states that by turning everyone into Super Mutants, he can achieve social dominance, and be rid of pesky human beings once and for all; and he pieces this argument together through emotion and ideology of the human lifespan. People get old and die; he did not. Therefore the relationship between him and omniscience was real. His argument is easily held by not just him but by his followers at the Mariposa Military Base, and The Children of the Cathedral; one of the most basic and emphatic plot points in the entire game is based on the grounds that his argument is impenetrable.
>”I don't think that I can continue. Continue? To have done the things I have done in the name of progress and healing. It was madness. I can see that now. Madness. Madness? There is no hope. Leave now, leave while you still have”
That was literally his quote calling his plan madness, I don’t know why you think some lore video trumps that.
The core of all his actions was the belief that was bringing about the next stage in evolution for humanity, one that could not only survive but thrive in the wasteland. He based this on the correct - within what he knew - evidence that super mutants were just fundamentally physically superior to humans in every possible way. Stronger, faster, more adaptable, and free of the divisions and prejudice borne of individuality. To him it was not only a moral good, but a necessity that he convert as many humans as possible into super mutants to give them new life and properly kick start the evolution. Super Mutant sterility destroys this belief. They will die off after the first generation, they're not more fit than humans, because evolution relies utterly on reproduction after the first gen. He realizes that all the atrocities he's committed were pointless, his magnum opus was a dud, and he can't justify his action, so he kills himself.
He doesn't kill himself because he feels bad about hurting people; his entire ego is way too big to give a shit about anyone else in the story. He kills himself because he's making people sterile, which to him, is basically like cloning himself, which puts a fat wedge in the idea that he is the smartest one in the world. This is why people say The Master is an intellectual villain, because people will willingly misinterpret his courtship for humility. His ability to reason is just a facade to meditate on his narcissism, and when he realizes he's a narcissist, he does what any narcissist does and kills himself.
Frick off shit eater
Not my fault you suddenly care about English 401 in an argument that didn't concern you.
What the frick does that have anything to do with the Masters feelings toward his plan? Has your brain been compromised by all the feces you devour?
Anything but the vocal opinion of someone who understands foil and metaphor.
Stop being a moron, he says how he feels right then and there, you trying to say some gay on YouTube can summarize it better is asinine.
> his entire ego is way too big to give a shit about anyone else in the story.
That's literally not true if you watch the cutscene where he learns about the sterility. He's sickened and ashamed, realizing everything he thought was for the greater good was just cruelty and "madness" as he himself puts it.
That is literally true, and the only reason you think it's not true is because you've never seen a narcissist written into expression before.
An actual, clinical narcissist would never even consider killing themselves.
You mean, like the list of people who were classified as narcissists and wound up killing themselves? Hitler included?
his arguments were and are irrefutable, its just that his minions conveniently lied to him about the females being able to reproduce and he trusted them, if supermutants could have sex and reproduce unity would objectively be the future of mankind
his argument is so bad that he fricking kills himself what are you talking about
That's not what happens though.
oh don't worry guys, wizzlesnips on youtube comments said it was the smartest villain, we better pack up
The fact that you reason like a fifth grader when confronted with anything that's even remotely responsible makes you kinda a pushover.
because i don't really care to argue with facts or logic, if i think you're a dweeb then i don't care to argue
That makes you collateral, not an asset to discussion
>people hate us cause one of our bots accidentally murdered a bunch of politicians
>so to deal with that we gave people an ACTUAL reason to hate us by psyoping their societies for our own safety (none of them can even reach us lmao)
>the only way your son can tell you this is if you gave one of the many groups that hate the institute the ability to enter it
>people hate us cause one of our bots accidentally murdered a bunch of politicians
You seem to be misunderstanding something.
The fall of the CPG happened decades before the Broken Mask Incident, and it was Broken Mask where a synth went crazy and killed some people in Diamond City's market.
they're the best faction to benefit the wasteland but they're so flawed because their motives are completely fricking dogshit
and this too
Fallout is a series about never ever trusting a bunch of scientists circle jerking each other. NEVER EVER.
Congrats for making the dustiest coal in Fallout history.
A lot of people get angry at this, but honestly the institute doesn't have the means to just play the humanitarian game when most factions out there would raid them given the opportunity before they achieve their goal of teching up enough to move out from underground.
I'm actually working on that ending right now. I think it's probably the canon ending of Fallout 4,
God it gets worse do you homosexual take no pride in your memes. There is nothing more knightly then robbing towns or there power sources and food. The Botherhood has always been buttholes but east coast botherhood are fricking clownish morons lets build a airship that can be shot down by a drunk raider with a missile launcher.
For fricking real. But also you forgot that you can be a spy and infiltrate all factions even if you're not railroad. Everyone will assume you're a double/triple agent and that you're on their side, while only (you) know what side you're really on. New VegACK insists on you telling them game what "side" you're on. This is because fallout 3 and 4 were real roleplaying games where the game acted as the game master and you were the player, but new vegACK tried to make you both. They tried so hard to not put anything in the "game" that would ever contradict your preplanned character story that they just ended up not making the game at all. In New VegACK it's not even possible for you to ever lose, and nothing ever throws a wrench in your way and changes your path. There's n reason to play it because all it wants is for you to be able to decide everything that happens in your own story. All you need for that shit is a pen and paper. The actual "computer program" that is new vegass is just one of those online personality tests but without the results at the ends. You type in or click on the information it asks you, and then it does fricking nothing with it. It won't even stop you from skipping ever "quest" by clicking on "speech"(which is all drones who claim to like it do) because you can just say goodbye and eat a drug and read a magazine and instantly have enough. It's not even chance based, it's just addition. It makes Them feel so smart just for doing preschool levels of math.
>whats that my choices have consequences and I have to live with them?
>NOOOO LET ME CHOICE TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN FACTIONS UNTIL THE FINAL MOMENT
Just continuous seething and rectal bleeding from 4toddlers.
Name one "choice" in new vegACK that is even a choice. And name one that has even a single fricking consequence. And finally, please learn how to fricking read.
>Name one "choice" in new vegACK that is even a choice. And name one that has even a single fricking consequence
Letting the monorail explode or getting caught causes it to be destroyed and cuts off access between the Strip and McCarran. And I read it just fine, maybe learn to deal with consequences instead of crying about how they happen.
the ghouls at the repconn center has like 4 different endings alone
>not Dagoth Ur-bot
One
Fricking
Job
Based, dressing up the shittier game to look prettier will never not be funny. FO4 chads...we eat.
KINOKINOKINO
Obsidiot could never create this level of storytelling
You're missing a hundred other details but the cool thing is that even with al of that you still can't be sure you're a synth. In fact synth and not synth aren't even the only options.
How did he remember fighting in the war? How would Shaun have been able to simulate the moments of him on the front?
Zanzibart....forgive me....
That doesn’t answer the question.
Maybe the memories are very inaccurate and they're nothing like the actual war but how would the synth know? It believes its memories to be 100% factual despite the fact that there may be big inaccuracies.
It's kinda like how people can convince themselves that false memories are true. Synths are human to the point they may have the same issues as us when it comes to memory and remembering if something is true or not.
We literally see him going through them in the intro cutscene while rehearsing his speech for the veterans hall. He also remembers his great something or other grandfather fought in WWII. This isn’t some shit that Shaun would just be able to replicate.
Why would he not be able to do that?
Why would Shaun be able to replicate the memories of his fathers tour during the Sino-American war? How would he know the specific speech his father was going to give?
You are not capable of using VATS without a pipboy. Your Vault suit looked like that even before being frozen. Plenty of people have defeated worse in the wasteland as human, Nate is a trained US veteran they are fricking beasts in Fallout just look at Sentrybots and Assaultrons and your companion's reaction to them.
You are human and Dima is a gaslighting manipulative piece of shit.
You’re the one gaslighting right now
>you can't use vats without a pip boy
Yes you can, they literally make sure you know that by teaching you about it in the tutorial before you get the pipboy.
>your suit looked like that originally
STOP LYING! No it did fricking not! they literally play the change apparal sound effect when you get frozen because it switches you into a dirty one. And when you get the suit originally it literally says "Vault 111 Jumpsuit (new) added". When you look at what you're wearing in the pipboy, it says "Vault 111 Jumpsuit".
>look at sentrybots and protectrons
How are they relevant?
>you are human
You can never know that, and the evidence leans slightly towards you not being human.
reddit would like them just because
>le cleanliness and toilet paper!
Objectively Nate starting a Phase 4 Institute is the most kino option. And siding with DiMA.
Fallout 3 is the best protagonist by far. I don't think you've played it.
>more pagliarulo father/sonslop
no thanks
No no, the Institute isn't bad because they're evil, they're bad because FO4 faction writing sucks except the Minutemen who have no story and the Atom Cats.
>FO4 faction writing sucks except the Minutemen who have no story
You mean ESPECIALLY the minutemen
>Literal nothing faction made up of scrappy-doo chucklefricks who are incapable of doing anything at all themselves and rely on one pre-war dude for literally everything ever
Yeah, it makes it feel like Skyrim (an actually good game) except I have followers to keep the tatos ready when I come home.
does anyone have the 3 vs nv quest image with the "muh beyond the beef" meme?
kek. holy shit new vegas quest are just a bunch of filler garbage. can't believe trannies actually defend this shit.
>cherry picked to hell
>tries to handwave example
Always so disingenuous.
>picking out new vegas sidequests
>instead of picking good ones go with cry me a fricking river and compare it to tenpenny tower
why would you fight for fallout 3 this badly, just accept that it's fun as a shooter and a diet rpg but new vegas is a whole nother beast
>same questline but with a companion
the revisionism on fo4 has more effort than the original story
Disagree. Their counter-arguements are literally just pro-NV format but spun round and cherry picked. No originality there, just more recycling what came before. Very poetic.
Liking fallout 4 in any capacity does put you high on the reddit scale
who makes these images? i can't all be just for a laugh if he made this many
some indians payed by bethesda, just like the previous shilling campaign for starfield
Fallout 4 is better written than New Vegas
If they were good, they would be the canon ending. Are they the canon ending?
Yes
This guy made all of these image, only for me to never even open them
>institute le bad
who cares ?
the true opinion:
>institute is heckin stoopid
NOIR
BLADE RUNNER
KINO
ATMOSPHERE
I really like those memes, they're actually true
The Institute FTW
fabio is Ganker's best poster
the kinoest of kinos that ever kinoed
>kidnap a father, mother, child in the dark of night
>copy their body, mind and mannerisms
>kill the original and grind their body up
>replace them with a robot copy
THEY'RE CLOWNISHLY EVIL, YOU moron
He’s just some schizophrenic Egyptian, he’s basically trying to be fabio but for FO4.
>grind their body up
They wish. You do know they just turn the into fricking super mutants right? Also you're wrong about their mannerisms being copied. Sometimes they don't even try that, but even when they do you cans till tell.
>You do know they just turn the into fricking super mutants right?
THAT'S NOT ANY BETTER homosexual.
On that note. Why in the HOLY FRICK are the Institute making Super Mutants? What fricking benefit is there doing so?
They are not making them anymore when you get there because the research was sabotaged from the inside. Institute is not just one person. The scientists all have different opinions on things.
It doesn't matter if they're not making them anymore, the fact that they already made them and are now a growing epidemic in the Commonwealth, since Super Mutants are known for having their own ways of making more somehow, even though it should be impossible.
I didn't say it was better. I'm on your side.
Originally they were failed experiments. It was when they were still trying to figure out how to use the FEV to genetically engineer human flesh for synths. Nowadays they just think the super mutants will weaken the commonwealth so they still turn people into them. It's all in terminal entries iirc.
>The guys that actively created a societal boogeyman and unleashed hundreds of mutant janitors upon the land totally want to help guise
I find it odd just how fricking many mutants they made since the Commonwealth ones lack free FEV to make more like the other groups do
>super mutants in commonwealth lack their own fev
That's not true, we just never see it. If you spy on them you can hear about them searching for "green stuff". It's lines reused from Fallout 3 but it's still a thing that they do. And nick says that super mutants are one of the groups who kidnap people in the commonwealth. That's why the Chad super mutants in Fallout 3 kidnapped people, to use fev on them. It's just a thing that these creatures do, even if the fallout 4 mutants are lamer.
>Fallout 1 has the Master's FEV vats
>Fallout 3 has Vault 87's vats
There's no real explanation for them besides the janitor experiments
>NOOOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIKE THEM
What is the point of bait if you don't even act like it's not bait?
Frick synths
Frick the brotherhood
Frick the footmen or whatever that Black folk faction is.
Frick the railroad b***hes
Frick the mutants
this game was completely ruined by this faux blade runner bullcrud!
they aren't just bad they are stupid
emil is a hack and todd is a moron
>use brotherhood to get into and destroy institute
>use minutemen to destroy brotherhood
>use nuka-world raiders to destroy minutemen
WHO MUST GO?
Everybody. The Commonwealth is a fricking shit hole.
Minutemen don't fight the brotherhood, they're bros. It's the gayroad who fight brotherhood. And also, the minutemen can never be destroyed in the game.
you can't kill preston, true. nuka world can in fact take over every settlement including the castle thoughever.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/With_Our_Powers_Combined
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Claiming_the_Commonwealth
whom can then be betrayed by clearing out a whole outpost or starting Open Season at any time by killing one of the gang leaders.
fallout 4 would have been alittle better if they really did make you a synth but they didn't so acting like they did is just larping as a homosexual
>Noooo you're not allowed to think about things and speculate, you have to regurgitate the same "lore"(lies) that pooptubers won't stop repeating forever and ever!
>No having fun! Only talk about WORE!!!!!!
Apparently, they claim that vault tec started it in the "show". You wrote that episode, didn't you?
cope and seethe
I was mad you couldn't at least become a cyborg. Like you could in some little shit shack in New Vegas but you cant in the Institute because
>transhumanism is... le bad!
Idk the Institute is kinda like rick and morty frfr
Institute Nate got his wife back. And frankly I am happy for him.
It's more like the Institute is mind-numbingly stupid than bad.
If you can name something they did that was more stupid than it was bad, I will say good job.
It has to be something other than "Shaun" being outside for five minutes and thinking that justifies all the evil he ever did. That's the only one I can think of.
Create fricking Super Mutants for one.
Dude. It's not stupid if they're experimenting and learning how to use FEV. But maybe it is stupid if they still do it because they think one or two extra mutants will make a difference. But like, what else are they going to do? They could just kill them, but they don't care about mercy even, which is why I think this is something that counts as more evil than stupid.
That's all a part of their plan. They don't want you to forget that they replace humans with synths. Think about it, does anyone in the commonwealth ever ask whether or not their robots have been replaced? No, and the robots are the real spies. I think it's an obvious theme in the game, but that's just a headcanon. Either way it is still true that 1, they want to make the people afraid, and 2, having more synths would never hurt them. So I wouldn't say it's stupid at all. And I don't want to hear shit about wasting resources. If you go to the synth making machine in fallout 4 it runs constantly on a loop forever. Clearly they have enough of whatever they use to make synths to last a thousand lifetimes.
Was there really no records on FEV as to why it shouldn't be messed with? Did everything involving The Master take place before or after the Super Mutant experiments at the Institute?
Except it backfires because now everyone knows of their existence and hates them, the only thing stopping people from getting to the Institute was they couldn’t find it. And it most likely would have stayed the way if it wasn’t for the SS. Realistically the institute had no reason to do any of the shit they do, no one would have given a shit about them if they weren’t constantly fricking with everything.
They did have a reason, they wanted to kill everybody so they could have the surface all to themselves. Play the game dude.
That's kind of debatable dude. That's like, a major major theme. And I hate to be the one to tell you this but you're in the minority.
I don't remember this and I don't believe you. inb4 post some fricking link to some "wiki" or some garbage. Even if there is a quest similar to this, I know you're leaving stuff out.
What are you saying? That there's no explanation for why there would be FEV in the commonwealth? Who cares about that? There just is. It doesn't matter. There's no reason for it not to be there.
>They did have a reason, they wanted to kill everybody so they could have the surface all to themselves
I did and I remember them not giving a shit about the surface and their entire quest line being about getting materials for a fusion reactor so they don’t have to worry about the surface anymore, for frick sake Shaun basically says frick this place when he finally goes up there. They don’t want the surface.
>Who cares it just exists
The amazing writing and justifications I've come to expect from Bethesda
So you hate fun and cool stuff and wonder?
And also in addition to that, you must also hate fallout 1 and 2 and new vegACK because they also don't explain why things are there, but they do it for different reasons. Mainly because they forgot. If they remembered they would have made sure to take the fun and mystery out of everything.
Body snatching randos
synthetic gorillas
That's awesome though! Why not do that?
>everyone "dies" (dissapears from game)
>Everyone leaves(dissapears from game)
There are no fricking options you disingenuous liar. Making the ship crash for no reason is the same as letting the human make the ship crash, and you would never do it because it's stupid, unfun, and pointless. Helping them is also something you would never do for the same reasons. It's not quest, you don't so anything except mindlessly walk to a quest marker and fetch shit, then those "characters" disappear. What the frick do you chose in this scenario? You play it the same way every time. You just grab the thing and click on any "dialogue option". That's it.
Different strain of FEV, and it wasn't made by a sane group of scientists. The strain of FEV at mariposa was one that could fuse different creatures together into one, and the master was some guy who ended up accidentally getting fused with a rat and a computer. As such he was crazy. And all of his own experiments were just him with no oversight and for a specific nefarious goal. It was such a different situation that it's not worth comparing, especially from the pov of the Institute who are anything but self aware. And the fev in mariposa was way more dangerous because for whatever reason it gave out psychic powers, which connected all the super mutants to the mind of the human/rat/computer guy. Fallout 1 and 2 were basically marvel sl0p, they even had constant "quips" and "jokes". And the "references" were even worse because in fallout 1 and 2 the "references" were straight up plagiarism.
How did the mutant hounds get made? What was the purpose of them?
No idea. My guess is that the super mutants just chucked a dog in there, maybe by accident, and they liked the results so they kept making them.
>kill the ghouls, help the mutants find stealth boy shipments
>kill the ghouls, kill the mutants
>help/kill harland (he gets on the rockets if you help him)
>speech harland or go find his dead girlfriend
>tell the truth or lie to haversam (if you tell him the truth he mopes in novac)
>collecting each material has 2 choices to go about it, ties back in to the shops in and around novac
>can adjust the trajectory of the rockets for better or worse
each choice on the rockets and the npcs in reconn each have a different outcome for the town of novac in the ending cutscene, now use those jaws to choke on the end of my barrel
you can also use Black Widow to influence Haversam into giving you an optional objective to sabotage the launch to make the rockets blow up as soon as they leave the hangar.
stopping the immensely successful (see kellogg) cybernetic enhancement program because of muh humanity
and then turning right around and making human shaped robot meat slaves that totally arent people dont worry about it haha
If Institute is good, why do they willingly create Black person synths?
This is an actual troony meme, did you get this from the circle jerk?
interesting that they wrote an entire plot that hinges on the decision of whether or not the player cares about having a child
It doesn't though.
Playing Fallout 4 in general is more r*ddit than that
>ignore the jobbermen
>blow up the railroad
>leave a smoking crater where the institute used to be
>crash the prydwen with no survivors
>nuke the children of the atom
>annihilate acadia
>genocide the raider scum infesting Nuka World
>obtain the original Nuka Cola recipe, proclaim myself emperor of the Nuka Empire and unite the commonwealth under a banner that represents refreshing drinks and sick power armor paint jobs
The only way to play Fallout 4
Would you go to college if you knew what one actually looked like?
Full of sex, disagreements and protests?
No, right? You'd go somewhere else, where disagreements were basically a formality and less a controlled opposition. That's basically The Institute, a place where people can learn more about the surface by engendering conflict, rather than supplementing it.
do they let you sniff shit
>Is there a more reddit opinion?
people that play skyrim and side with the empire because "it's the best choice for tamriel long term" or "stormcloaks are racist"
>we've gone from siding with stormcloaks being reddit to siding with the empire being reddit because now siding with the empire is mainstream
Flat circle. Ganker is literally just EYE except instead of schizophrenic "i murdered my wife and my mentor is my protege is all the secreta together" it's just "ME BASED YOU troony"
this was my first post on Ganker
since when was siding with stormcloaks the mainstream option
on release a lot of people didn't even realize you could go with hadvar
I choose whatever faction for rp, not doing it for the character is reddit
>INSTITUTE LE BAD
Worse, they are moronic.
Sorry
I'm just not gonna nuke The Institute. Won't do it. Nuh-uh.
JIll is best girl..
siding with the institute is moronic
why would you side with the faction that killed your wife, abducted your kid, and have generally done creepy and evil shit (as far as you know) up until you first meet with them?
the whole point of the game until that point is that you've been looking for your son and the evil bastards that took him from you
you enter the room and there he is! Except apparently it's not him and the "real" Shaun comes in through the door. But how are you supposed to know or even believe that kid Shaun is just a synth and that this old man is your son? As far as you know that's your real son you've finally found in that glass room, but for some reason he doesn't remember you and then this random old man from the evil institute you've heard so much about walks into the room and jedi mind tricks him into "shutting down". The only logical course of action from this point is to blow off the old man's head with your combat shotty and try and rescue your son from this evil place.
In no world would your player character just sit there and listen calmly to the what this random old guy has to say after what you've been through and what you are seeing in front of you.
it's the same as siding with the empire in Skyrim. Why would you care which option is better for Skyrim/tamriel long term? Why would you care who has the best chance to beat the Thalmor? The game starts with the empire trying to execute you even though you aren't on the list. Then you go through the dungeon and see their torture chambers. In what world does it make sense for you to side with the guys who tried to kill you for no reason??
>The only logical course of action from this point is to blow off the old man's head with your combat shotty and try and rescue your son from this evil place.
reminder that if you do this, the door remains locked and the quest is frozen with the whole institute turning hostile but you have no way to get out of the room so you have to just reload your save
>no option to take the Institute in a less sociopathic direction upon becoming Director
>no option for the BoS or Minutemen to simply occupy the facility instead of killing everyone and blowing it up
dumb game
>no option for the BoS or Minutemen to simply occupy the facility instead of killing everyone and blowing it up
That would imply people would rebuild and actually get their shit together, which goes against Bethesdas design philosophy.
>doesn't have a non choice "choice" like yes man
>this is somehow bad, because making decisions is too hard for some "people"
Disgusting. I bet you loved the "show" because of how "easy to watch" it was.
feels man and sadfrog were truly the worst thing to happen to this webzone
>youtube comments as a source of reasonable takes on anything
only a Ganker pass owner could be this stupid
I dunno... I think there's something to be said about tone.
Institute definitely makes the most sense if you're hardcore roleplaying the storyline
>find your kid
>they're alive, much older than you expected but safe underground in a place that's clean and full of the modern conveniences your character would be dearly missing after spending time on the surface
>your kid asks you to take over for them
Why would you say no?
Because they did some bad stuff to the surface dwellers? Those people EAT EACHOTHER. You've been up there, you've seen how bad it is.
Why would you ever turn against the institute, and your own child, and a safe and comfortable life to go back up to the surface and hang out with the fricking Railroad or the Minutemen or whatever?
only a complete fricking moron would do that
everyone would side with the institute in real life
but they need to work on their food offerings
see
>grease
For what reason?
why not?
because nate/nora doesn't have the meta knowledge that bethesda won't allow the world state to advance any so they can still have the hope the wasteland can rebuild itself at some point
Not to mention rebuilding is what you do throughout the course of the game, and that for some reason no one ever really acknowledges it.
the single funniest fricking thing fo4 does is make water purifiers something your character can just build out of scrap parts and plunge into a dirty old puddle and function perfectly. the entire plots of 1 and 3 made completely moronic because some dumbass in boston is macguivering the fricking things out of some ash trays and old wrenches
I get the reasoning in 1 given that it’s about saving your vault and doing the whole ramshackle purifier shit wouldn’t really fit, but 3 has no excuse.
the water purifier in 3 was like a massive industrial-grade kind of thing that would have filtered massive bodies of water
the ones you build in 4 are smaller scale and only filter small amounts of water. You can make functioning water purifiers yourself, they're not complicated technology. It really just involves having water pass through sand or some other kind of filtration medium.
But the thing is why is water so scarce of any dumbass can build a purifier for a whole settlement.
I dunno, same reason nobody thought to clean up clutter or put up some actual solid walls for 100 years until you showed up
I don't think a water chip is a "good," like cast iron frying pans. It's more like a service, that people can rely on. The way we view it is as an object that a craftsman can make, when in reality, the replacement is just a chip that came from another Vault.
Because you fricking can't do that in the most toxic place on the fricking planet. Compared to the capital wasteland, the commonwealth is essentially untouched you moron. Plus, nate knowing how to build a water purifier doesn't meant hat everyone does.
But the levels of radiation in the water in both the capital and commonwealth are effectively the same and effect the player the same. Not to mention other settlements have purifiers and wells of their own, but they’re made out to be some kind of major and rare thing.
Yeah but the institute is full of dumb science b***hes who think they smarter. Bunch of nerds
>if you're hardcore rolpeplaying
You don't understand roleplaying. In Fallout 4 you can roleplay all different kinds of characters with different personalities. You're nt just supposed to base everything off of how your character acts in the intro. The intro was probably not even you but either way, that's not how bethesda games worked. The stuff in the intro changes you into whoever you choose. It "wakes you up". Also, you're not even remotely correct because going off the intro, Nate is a badass motherfricker and wouldn't side with evil just because it has fricking clean toilets. He's an american hero. Going off of his personality and backstory, he would choose the bos or the minutemen, probably both.
>those people eat each other
You mean the super mutants which the institute created eat humans?
>how bas it is
It's not even that bad. Compared to the institute it is beautiful, and if you think the institute somehow looks better you have no soul.
>your own child
Is he? And even if he is, he's like eighty years oldand he's evil. He chose that shit. He's not a baby anymore and he needs to pay for what he's done. He didn't need you to teach him right from wrong. He had eighty years to figure that shit put on his own and there's no excuse for why he didn't. He chose not to. He chose to die.
>mentions railroad
Why?
>everyone is a brainless soulless sl0p eating drone and would side with the one where they get to be lazy because it's convenient
Wrong.
>no pizza rolls with fake cheese. WAH!
That's you.
>It's not even that bad. Compared to the institute it is beautiful
ok now you're just being contrarian on purpose
Yeah you're not fooling anyone.
Who says he remembers that? No evidence of him remembering combat.
He didn't even look at raiders, he just looked at the cit building and cried because it was dirty or something. If you didn't decide you were going to kill him in that instant, then what the frick is going through your head? Unless you had already decided that earlier.
>Who says he remembers that? No evidence of him remembering combat
The intro cutscene literally shows him reminiscing on marching through Alaska during the war.
That was an intro cinematic, not a memory. Plus it shows a soldier, you don't know that it's him. His speech is decidedly not about him, it's about war, so it could have been any soldier. I never even considered that it might be Nate tbh. Where did you get that idea?
>That was an intro cinematic, not a memory
It literally is him talking about his time in the military and shows him looking at a picture of Nora as he walks off on patrol, and subsequently transitions to him looking into the mirror for the character creation.
>it's him talking about his time in the military
No it's not, he's not about war and even spends a large portion of the speech talking about shit that happened long before he was born.
>shows him looking at a picture of nora
At the very end of the cinematic. Obviously that was Nate, but not the soldier in the first shot or any other shots as far as we know.
>it wasn’t him
>okay it was him but only at the end
So like I said it was him, and he was talking about his experience which is something Shaun wouldn’t have known about.
Bullshit, it wasn't fricking him. Only at the end you literal moron! And he wasn't talking about his experience, he was talking about war in general! everybody's experience. Frick you!
>Shaun wouldn't have known about
Name a single thing he said in the speech that Shaun couldn't have known about. And that's not to mention stuff he couldn't make up.
>Bullshit, it wasn't fricking him. Only at the end you literal
Which is exactly what I said, and he was talking about war while having a flashback to his time fighting the war
>Name a single thing he said in the speech that Shaun couldn't have known about
His great great grandfather and the fact that he hadn’t met his son at that point.
>flashback to fighting
Bullshit. We only see his ass walking. And there's no reason to think it's a flashback or memory anyway. It was just an intro cinematic.
>great great grandfather
They had control of the vault, and vault tec knew about his family's history of service to the country. That's the reason he gives you at the start of the game for why you get in for free.
>hadn't met his son
There's no evidence to suggest that Shaun couldn't have known this. There are any number of ways he could have heard about that. He also could have made it up.
>Bullshit. We only see his ass walking. And there's no reason to think it's a flashback or memory anyway. It was just an intro cinematic.
Semantics it still shows him in the war and doing something that only he would know about.
>They had control of the vault, and vault tec knew about his family's history of service to the country
They had the bare minimum he had just signed up minutes before the bombs fell
>There's no evidence to suggest that Shaun couldn't have known this
There is literally no way that he could have, the only people that would have known about it are Nate and Nora and one he hadn’t met and the other is dead.
>only he would know about walking
Nah I have to call bullshit in that. In fact, everybody in the entire game can walk.
>they had the bare minimum becaus ehe had jsut signed up
Did you forget that Vault tec hunted him down, not the other way around? There's no telling how much vault tec knows, but we knw for a fact thye knew about the stuff that I said. plus it can't just be what you tell them, because you only tell them your special stats. That's literally all that's on his clipboard.
>Nah I have to call bullshit in that. In fact, everybody in the entire game can walk
he knew that specific moment of him on patrol in Alaska where he looked at the picture of Nora?
>Did you forget that Vault tec hunted him down, not the other way around
You mean just like companies IRL? And guess what they don’t dig into you fricking genealogical records or care about family members that lived over a hundred years ago.
>no evidence that he could have
There's no evidence either way, so don't say that he couldn't have.
>only people who would have known are nate and nora
Bullshit. Why do you say that? They are just the only people we KNOW who knew about it. Anyone else COULD have known.
He's eighty years old, he doesn't need you to teach him right from wrong. He had all that time to learn on his own. All he needs is to pay for what he did.
Oh yeah I kind of remember now. But isn't his friend dead as hell? And isn't it impossible to cure ghouls? And haven't his ferals killed people?
Oh yeah, I forgot her name. My bad. Isn't she the Operator's leader? And when you say she should have replaced the generic raider, who do you mean?
That's the sad thing about his character. He doesn't know that you can't cure ghouls. So you can convince him to go after his only remaining friend.
Well I'm pretty sure I killed him, I don't remember why though. Do you need to pass a speech to get him to go? If so maybe I failed that.
Yeah, you get more options to convince him if you find a holotape from his friend.
>he's 80 years old
Not when he was fricking kidnapped, raised, and taught how to think by the devil
No, he's still 80. And the people of the Institute are normal people. And even if he was raised by demons, he could still be able to tell that it's wrong. It doesn't matter how one is raised. He had 80 years to come to terms with the fact that he was raised incorrectly. But he refused to fight that battle. He knew it was wrong, there's no way he couldn't. He chose to pretend like he didn't.
>normal
Normal people don't kidnap/murder/replace people in an ongoing terror campaign
>he could still be able to tell it's wrong
Well evidently not, what kind of moron thinks humans are born with a universal sense of right of wrong?
>normal people don't do that
I mean they were regular humans.
>what kind of moron thinks this thing that is true
Someone who lives in the world.
You need to PLAY THE GAMES. It was way way stronger than a sniper rifle and it reloads faster than one.
>regular humans
Regular humans can be evil, moron. That's the entire thematic payoff for President Richardson
>someone who lives in the world
Someone who lives in the utopian world, the mere existence of criminals refutes this moronic notion. Shaun was raised to believe that humans on the surface are subhumans who dont have rights just like the enclave.
>c-criminals don't know they bad!!!
Yes they do.
>Shaun was raised to believe this thing that I made up
No he wasn't. And it wouldn't matter because he still chose to ignore his heart. Like a fricking homosexual.
When Scott Peterson murdered his 8 and a half months pregnant wife on Christmas eve and dump her body in the marina in 2004, he knew that what he was doing was illegal and that he would face legal and social consequences if he found out, but he didn't actually have any problem doing it because he's a psychopath. When urban youth rob a guy and laugh about it with their friends they do it because they don't have a moral compass. Personality is a combination of nature and nurture, when you're raised in a society where there are no consequences for murder of surface dwellers (quite the opposite, you're rewarded because of muh science) then you're going to have a malformed moral compass and you are literally a moron who hasn't developed a theory of mind as a (presumed) adult
Shaun's not a psychopath.
>when urban youth rob a guy and laugh about it
Shaun's not black.
>combination of nurture
Lies. "Nurture" never has anything to do with it. Live in the real world.
>malformed moral compass
You can tell that he has a normal one and that he's just choosing to ignore it and making excuses for himself because he doesn't ant to face the truth that everything he's known was wrong. Learn media literacy or how to stop being an autist.
>theory of mind
What the frick kind of lies are you talking about? You disgusting demon. Kys.
Alright moron, have one last (You)
>There's no evidence either way, so don't say that he couldn't have.
Nice burden of proof fallacy, as it is you can’t prove he’s a synth and the logic saying he is, is flawed.
>Bullshit. Why do you say that? They are just the only people we KNOW who knew about it
The only other people that would know about it have been dead for over two hundred years, how the frick would Shaun get the information if not from them, stop making excuses and use your head.
>Yeah you're not fooling anyone.
I'm not trying to it. It's my personal opinion that living in the Institute would be massively better than living on the surface. That seems obvious to me.
>He didn't even look at raiders, he just looked at the cit building and cried because it was dirty or something
Wrong. He's at the edge of the roof looking down at a distinct raider camp and even comments on what they're doing.
> If you didn't decide you were going to kill him in that instant, then what the frick is going through your head?
I went through hell to find my son. I'm not going to kill him in cold blood just because his organization has done some bad things to the surface dwellers. I would have far more empathy and connection to my son than to the morons on the surface who have done nothing but try to swindle and kill me since I emerged from cryostasis.
>Those people EAT EACHOTHER (sic)
Ya if only they could get their shit together long enough to form some sort of provisional government to help rebuild the waste- oh wait
*each other
happy now homosexual
No, address the actual point
broken mask incident was an accident
after that the trust was broken and the surface dwellers would never sit down and actually listen to anything the Institute has to say
It was allegedly an accident (pretty sure a terminal says the CPG was a threat to monitor or some shit).
Also it's still their fault for sending a kill droid to meeting, if telsa sold a self driving car that rammed into a parade there would rightfully be consequences. The fact that they just chose to completely give up on diplomacy after an "accident" they caused is not an argument for them not being evil
>give up on diplomacy
the surface dwellers did too
there was no longer any chance of having meaningful or peaceful discussions with the surface because they'd made up their mind that the Institute was pure evil
why even attempt diplomacy at that point
plus - the surface dwellers have absolutely nothing to offer to the institute. No leverage, no bargaining chips, nothing to add, nothing they can even help with. They're a bunch of hicks who think the Institute is the bogeyman, what use would there be at all?
Meanwhile, contact with the surface puts the institute in direct mortal danger if any of them ever manage to figure out where they are located or how they travel to and from the institute.
Contacting the surface in good faith after the broken mask incident is a total lose-lose scenario with no benefits
>the surface dwellers did too
Of course they did, why the frick wouldn't they? As far as they know they've just been declared war on by an invisible subversive enemy that just assassinated their whole government.
If the japs did pearl harbor by accident and decided "the americans won't want to talk this out with us" then it would absolutely be their fault for not trying to fix THEIR mistake that looks indistinguishable from a declaration of war.
They could literally just send an endless waves of cheap gen 1 and 2 synths saying "we come in peace" until someone listens, you know, the thing they're already doing except instead of saying "we come in peace" they go around killing cats and invading canneries
Chicken, Broccoli, and double Grease please
>be Nate/Nora
>see your spouse killed and son stole
>finally crawl out of pod and see a ruined shithole
>frantically search for your son
>see giant freaks roam the land and robotic body snatchers
>finally kill the fricker who stole your son and make your way to the base responsible for all this bullshit
>turns out your son is an old man and is running the place
>he also built a child synth version of himself
>ask him what the frick he’s doing
>not only does he refuse to tell you but he later casually bushes off your partner’s dead
>somehow it makes sense you would join them no questions asked
Shaun being indifferent towards his biological parents and even emotionally manipulating them is par for the course.
He doesn't give a shit about Nate/Nora and he admits that he didn't care that he got kidnapped from a Vault.
Yeah defending the institute out of petty spite
Let’s talk about Boston baked beans
>institute le bad
Yes. They are cartoonishly, nonsensically evil. Their experiments don't even produce anything of value or benefit to the people inside their secret base.
>started playing a few days ago
>meet ada
>chilling around with her
feels good
I'm improving her robo parts
I prefer Piper. And Jezebel. Why is Jezebel like the one robot who can't be your companion? if you haven't met Jezebel yet you will soon.
I just picked up Jezebel from that raider hideout
I'm searching for the mechanist while I'm trying to build Jezebel a new body
I don't trust her
>Robots exist that can do menial tasks.
Not good enough, we need our own robots that can also have human tissue surrounding them like a terminator for ... reasons. They develop feelings of their own and want freedom.
> Give your new definitely not terminator robots a code that can reset them, because you know that shit is happening.
Oh no, now we have to invent other robots to capture the escaped ones who didn't want to be controlled... who somehow never have a real emotion. This is somehow a genius move
>Better start kidnapping people and replacing them with our robots so we can keep an eye on things out there. Also dip anyone we kidnap into FEV and dump them back into the commonwealth because reasons.
Why go to all that trouble?
What was their end game?
They wanted free labor, and ended up with invasion of the body snatchers meets terminator wit a splash of total recall memory augmentation and removal.
amazing fanfiction thread, keep it up lads.
game?
>Dad I’m giving you a sick ass underground lab that is literally the peak of technology in the world right now. Use it wisely.
>Frick you son. I’m going to destroy everything that you built. I don’t care about family or commonwealth. I just want to see this place burn so nothing will ever change and other factions will just tear each other apart in this endless wasteland.
There are people who genuinely did that.
Why doesn't he acknowledge any built settlements you made?
A few shacks with a bunch of useless frickers sleeping on filthy mattresses who cant do anything for themselves? It would just prove his point.
>I don’t care about family or commonwealth
Neither does the institute given that they killed your wife and stole your son. Not to mention pretty much sabotage all efforts for people to rebuild.
Reminder that Shaun says he didn't expect you to survive. Also he made Codsworth make you go to concord alone.
If you think building a well is comparable to wither onf those you're crazy and choosing to be wrong and stupid on purpose. Kys you lying piece of garbage. Go back to making "how it should have ended" videos on pooptube.
>literally the peak of technology in the world right now
Not even close.
>I just want to see this place burn
When people chose that it was about vengeance, not chaos or whatever. He needed to pay for what he did, they all do.
>There are "people" who genuinely did that.
this.
POST 'EM
Why is FO4's lighting so bad?
NTA but I use a lighting mod though only affects interior cells
That's not a screenshot from fallout 4 you shilling troll!
Makes no sense bait.
>That's not a screenshot from fallout 4 you shilling troll!
I like Fallout 4, it's probably my second all time favorite game, but the lighting is terrible compared to FO3. Something went really bad after Skyrim with Bethesda's lighting engine. Even Special Edition has much worse lighting. I don't understand what went wrong.
>Even Special Edition has much worse lighting.
Huh? the lighting in special edition is miles better than original Skyrim's. Ditto with Fo4 comapred to Skyrim. Its only 76 that has shit lighting.
Maybe I just prefer stylized lighting. Original Skyrim had a very cold feeling which fit the setting. Similar with FO3 having an irradiated feeling vs FO4 which doesn't.
Based Minutechad
Protect the people at a minutes notice!
The Institute could've easily been one of the more good aligned factions if they weren't so stupid and didn't do evil shit just for the sake of it. The Commonwealth could've been a great power, like NCR level, if they didn't keep destroying it.
>great power
>nrc
?
Oh it's bait, gotcha.
Or you could just push the teleporter button to leave you idiot.
I'm not considering that shitty TV show canon.
>Or you could just push the teleporter button to leave you idiot.
No, you can't yet. You don't have the teleporter option installed into your pip boy until after the conversation with Shaun.
If you blow his head off the second he walks in the door like that anon suggested, it traps you in the room and you can't leave. This is well documented. Go try it yourself.
I didn't say use your pipboy I said press the fricking button! It's right there just press it!!!!
>go try it yourself
I have done this before, and I didn't "try" it, it was an unironic roleplaying choice. I just pressed the fricking button on the teleporter to leave and I continued the main quest with the bos or the minutemen, I don't remember which.
You moron, the door locks in Shaun's office. The place with kid synth shaun. If you blow off Older-Shauns' head "the moment he walks through the door" you are TRAPPED in that part of the institute and CANNOT GET BACK TO THE MAIN TELEPORTER WITH THE BUTTON
Then how did I fricking do it then? Stop lying.
Disband. also
this.
>Then how did I fricking do it then?
You either shot him at a different time than "as soon as he walks through the door" or you are just misremembering
No, I think it's you who are incorrect.
That shit is nothing compared to project purity or liberty prime. Plus all those examples you just gave don't really count as tech, they more count as evil.
>inherited from the millitary
Bullshit, they created the prydwen, co created project purity, and finished liberty prime. They also make their own vertibirds but we don't have much information about that.
>bos are cavemen
The Bos are what it looks like when Mankind has a steel grip on technology's leash, not the other way around. The image of a bos soldier in t60 marching with liberty prime is supposed to show you what humanity can achieve when they work together with technology, instead of being science's b***h. Institute can't control their shit, or themselves.
Do you know nothing of the NCR?
i have played every game. Do YOU know anything bout it?
>can't choose to do anything except shitty "combat"(which the game doesn't want you to do) or click on the "dialogue"(quip) option that has brackets at the front.
Yeah there's no fricking choice. And this applies to everything in the entire "game". In Fallout 4 you can just do whatever the frick you want. You don't fricking fill out answer sheets or whatever, you do shit, within the fricking game engine. Everything that you just said is the exact same thing. Hit things with a weapon or click on brackets, sometimes both. And it's all for nothing. no matter what it ends the same way, everyone disappears and it had no effect but to waste your time, and you're left with regret because you had no fricking fun.
>ending cutscene
Oh that's hilarious. Before I read that I thought you were a drone. Nice bait bro.
>i have played every game
You’re lying, the NCR is a major regional power that controls an area larger than the commonwealth and is at a level of development on par with late 19/early 20th century America.
You haven't played any game. And don't say I'm lying when you're lying. PLAY A GAME!!!
But she's cute though right? I like her voice and personality.
>can’t handle the truth
>has a full on meltdown
I don’t care if you’re shitposting, pretending to be a moron is the same as being a moron.
Even The Master had a goal. The institute is replacing people because.. um.. Complex motivations.
>motherfricking synth ai thread arguing for the institute
the only good institute is a dead institute along with the destruction of the railroad
whatever happened to that project of porting NV to FO4 engine?
last I heard they're still working on it but it's going to take fricking forever because of the scale of the project and the fact that, since theyr'e not allowed to use the original audio files, they have to re-record literally everything themselves
Why not just release the mod without audio and let other people provide the original audio in .bsa or loose file format in such a way that it can simply be dragged, dropped, and loaded by the mod?
I mean that's obviously what everyone's going to do anyway, no one wants to hear some modder's impersonation of Benny on a $15 Walmart mic (recorded outside for maximum sound quality)
>Why not just release the mod without audio and let other people provide the original audio in .bsa or loose file format
That's what everybody begged them to do but they decided it would be legally perilous to release it that way, since they're basically encouraging people to mod in the audio they're not allowed to use
They are being really careful as to not get the project shut down. I disagree with their decision but that's what they've decided to do.
Well, at least they're thinking ahead. I revisited the videos for the first time in forever. Honestly, their Swanick wasn't bad. Keeping the
>laterr >:^)
was a nice touch
Yeah, it has potential. The problem is just the sheer scale of it. I doubt we'll ever actually see it finished.
the dumbest thing about the Institute is when Father asks you to meet him on the roof
you go up there and he's looking down at a camp of raiders and he's like
>I didn't realize it was this bad...
what
it's been 80 years, you can teleport to the surface, you have cameras all over the surface, you regularly get reports from the surface agents
and you didn't realize? a camp of raiders just doing regular raider shit is shocking to you?
That doesn't make any sense.
>ACK VICTORIAM
Always killed these morons lmao
It's canon they win now sweaty
>side with institute and attack BOS
>during the battle Maxson himself comes out in his full power armor
>at the same time, the Institute relays in the two synth gorillas from the lab
>I watch from the rooftop as they overwhelm Maxson and rip him apart in his armor
I wonder what he was thinking at that moment
he wouldn't even know what a gorilla is
>Minutemen are stupid because they depend on you to help their settlements and practically everything else to help improve them.
>Railroad is stupid because they only care about robots than actual humans, and will be pretty much out of a job when the Institute are no more. Only a braindead idiot would side with them.
>Brotherhood of Steel are stupid because they don't occupy the institute bunker after cleaning it out, as there is a ton of other useful tech in their besides a synth printer, but they're too lazy to dismantle it and must nuke the whole fortress. I don't think they even download any tech information to a holodisk, and even then, how are they gonna replicate teleportation tech?
>Institute is are stupid because of a whole line-up of reasons. Creating Super Mutants and unleashing them in the commonwealth. Abducting and replacing people with robots, killing the originals for frick knows what reason. Practically doing anything to hinder progress of Commonwealth rebuilding, and only blame the Commonwealth for it.
That's why you destroy them all and conquer the commonwealth with your raider bros
So what exactly is their end goal?
Robot gorillas
stay underground with their nuclear power source fueling them for hundreds or even thousands of years if need be until the surface becomes closer to habitable again and then use what they've learned and built underground to restore civilization to the surface
when you meet them, they clearly think it's still too early to save the surface (and they're right) so they resolve to stay underground as long as needed
>and they're right
Except they aren’t, the NCR created a functioning state in the span of one 80 years, not to mention a good amount of the issues on the surface are the institutes fault.
the institute has a tiny fraction of the manpower of the NCR
The Commonwealth is actively hostile to them, as evidenced by the fact that once they know the location of the institute they all seek to destroy it
Now is not a good time for the Institute to resurface and reveal themselves. The people are not ready. The Brotherhood is also there. Their best bet is to wait.
I meant the commonwealth, they just decided that everything on the surface was beyond hope when your actions show very clearly that they’re wrong. The people of the commonwealth could easily rebuild shit if it wasn’t for the institute constantly fricking with everything.
>send jolly green giants and robo glowies to rape the surface for 200 years
>gee why does everyone hate us
>functioning
You have never played a video game in your life.
>Objectively best future is to have the fricking mind of a rat constantly screeching in your brain forever
What?
What use could they possibly have?
Shaun is pure evil because he willingly chooses to ignore what's right, because it's easier that way. All he cares about is "comfort" or whatever. Dude is fricking going to hell.
Bullshit, you need to PLAY the GAMESSS!
>state fact backed up by the games
>NOOOO PLAY THE GAMES REEEEEE
Jesus Christ, why are there so many of you morons on here. It’s like a fricking daycare.
Stop lying. How would this even make sense?
STOP LYING AND PLAY THE GAME! The Brotherhood are heroes, they don't do that shit!
>shaun is evil because he ignores whats right
No, he wasn't taught what was right because he was raised by an evil faction, moron.
Shaun's evil because hes a Black person
to make the ultimate robotic workforce that can adapt to changing job conditions on the fly so actual humans can spend all of their time studying and advancing science without having to worry about trivial tasks like building maintenance.
Nuka World alone ruined any hope of troonyout 4 being coherent, I don't know why the Pajeets raid this website constantly to argue otherwise.
>instead of taking your son they take your wife
>the institute brainwashes her with the power of synth wiener
>now she's in charge of the institute
Someone make this mod
You're forgetting the sixty year time gap.
>coherence in fallout
dude some kid survives two centuries in a fridge
yeah if you care about the fricking timeline there is something wrong with you.
This doesn't matter anyway. Kellogg was old as hell, besides it's not like Nora can't survive sixty years.
Kellogg must've had some crazy ass implants for being still human cyborg and not a synth.
well he has walked across the entire united state over his life, he must have really seen some shit
there is no time gap, old "Shaun" is not your real son
wut
Kellogg mentions in his memories that shaun was a pet project of "the Old Man"
Virgil timeline does not match up unless you believe he has been in hiding for decades and the Institute has done nothing to clean up the FEV lab in that time
When you get to Diamond City and they talk about Kellogg's house it makes no sense for this to have happened decades ago
Not him but
>Kellogg mentions in his memories that shaun was a pet project of "the Old Man"
Not him but no. Kellogg doesn't say this.
>Virgil timeline does not match up unless you believe he has been in hiding for decades and the Institute has done nothing to clean up the FEV lab in that time
Virgil escaped shortly before the game began. You can find terminal entries in the FEV lab how the Institute had been continuing the experiments into modern day for seemingly no reason. This is why Virgil got angry and left.
>When you get to Diamond City and they talk about Kellogg's house it makes no sense for this to have happened decades ago
It didn't happen decades ago. Kellogg was with synth Shaun.
he does say the pet project line
>It wasn't my idea to settle down with the kid in the middle of Diamond City. I thought it was a terrible idea, actually. But it was one of the old man's pet projects, so here we were. Me and the kid like a happy little family.
but it can be interpreted that he is referring to synth shaun
>kellogg doesn't say this
Not him, but yeah he does. I remember that very well.
Kellogg sure as frick says old man, even though he himself is old as frick. And when you encounter him, he's over a hundred years old. And again he's NOT a synth, he's a borg.
I honestly think Kellogg calling him "the old man" when it doesn't make sense for the timeline is just a legitimate writing mistake that they hoped nobody would notice
>I honestly think Kellogg calling him "the old man" when it doesn't make sense for the timeline is just a legitimate writing mistake that they hoped nobody would notice
Except it makes perfect sense for the timeline.
-The old man who ordered him to turn off the Cryo pods was the then leader of the Institue.
-Shaun, the guy wondering him around, was an old man when he made that line in the diamond City flashback.
both of them were old men at the time those comments were made.
I'm still wrapping my head as to how is Kellogg still look like he's in his 40s/50s while he's like 108. What sort of miracle science has he been augmenting himself with?
remember all those implants you can get in NV? not even including the Big MT stuff, just the one doctor in the mojave
Stuff like that but probably better
I feel Kellogg is basically a lost Fallout protag, who's experienced it all like all the other ones. But somehow dies like a b***h because he's not the protag (anymore).
It is unrealistic for Nate/Nora to kill Kellogg. Someone who's not only heavily augmented, but has around a hundred years of combat experience, dying to someone who literally stepped out of a cryotube like not even a month ago. This dude should also be over level 100 as well.
And if it's institute tech, why the frick would BoS want to destroy it? Cybernetics like that would be vital for them.
See
BoS generally doesn't care about cybernetics since Fallout 1. No one in Fo3, NV, or 4, is shown to be augmented.
He says old man, not that it was said old man's pet project.
Shaun was turned into DNA paste and is now the template for synths, every third generation synth is technically your son, including curie. The old man running the institute wanted to frick with you one last time before his ass cancer got him, so he made up some unverifiable shit.
The institute is evil because if you are not moronic you understand they are creating synths as their slaves so they can easily replace the wastelanders killing them all
>so they can easily replace the wastelanders killing them all
Except, if the Institute actually wanted to kill everyone on the surface they could just teleport some coursers into the middle of major cities like diamond City and Goodneighbor and do it in an instant.
The Institute doesn't care about killing everyone on the surface, they barely care about the surface as is.
They can't do that because the institute is much smaller than every faction in the commonwealth, that's why they been slowly replacing people with synths, so when the time comes they can just send the order 66 and kill the remaining humans
"Father" is a homosexual and needs to die, but the Institute is entirely too useful to destroy.
For me, it's installing the mod that lets you join the Enclave
Destroying the Institute is a moronic idea
Kill everyone inside but keep the tech
There's no point leaving survivors to escape the wasteland where they'll take their research with them for someone else to benefit, especially the Enclave kind
If you're BoS there should have been an ultimatum with the scientists given bomb collars or decimated to instill fear and loyalty
All of the Brotherhood's scientists are still too low IQ to figure out most of the Institute's tech so they need to keep some if not most of the scientists alive, they can dispose of them later
The Railroad has no need to destroy the Institute, they'll be useless as an organization without them and they don't have a real army unlike the Brotherhood or even the Minutemen
>The Railroad has no need to destroy the Institute, they'll be useless as an organization without them
The Railroad wasn't made to last forever.
But what the frick is the Railroad gonna do after their work is done? Become raiders?
hot basement sex
Go back to living normal lives because they accomplished their goal, and continue to protect synths from discrimination from normal people.
So they would be like the followers except without the knowledge gathering R&D aspect to them?
They will protest "Synth Lives Matter" in Diamond City
Always destroy the tech to ensure Fallout 5 exists
not to mention the place is fricking FULL of valuable things like aluminum and whatnot
blowing it up is such an egregious waste of resources
The BoS has literally zero reason to blow it up, it's a literal bunker, and would give them a strong foothold in the Commonwealth, far more so than a fricking giant target in the sky.
Yeah, the BoS is moronic, they are of the opinion that "this is all too dangerous we have to destroy it"
The BoS has every reason to blow it up
1. They've always sought to destroy technology that can't be controlled. FEV chief among them. And synths are made using FEV
2. Maxson's BoS is only about 500 people large across all divisions by the time of Fallout 4, they don't have the manpower to waste trying to occupy a small city like the Institute while also continuing other operations.
3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
4. Keeping it intact just leads to the possibility of the Institute survivors finding a way to reclaim ti and start shit all over again.
>3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
Maybe in old Fallout or Obsidiot Fallout but in Bethesda Fallout they went out of their way to ensure that the water purifier worked and were willing to sacrifice one of their kind to do so.
They'll whack the synth technology, FEV and maybe the teleporters but not the useful ones where they can monopolize.
You forget, Lyons, who was cut off from the rest of the BoS for his divergent ways, wanted the purifier. Maxson took the BoS back to their roots in Fo4.
YOU FRICKING LIAR! PLAY THE VIDEO GAME! STOP REGURITATING RANDOM ASS FRICKING LIES THAT YOU HEARD FROM POOPTUBE
PLAY
THE
GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Maxson took the BoS back to their roots in Fo4.
Ah yes, back to destroying technology like they used to do.
lmao
They make ot very clear that they see synths as paramoint to nuclear weapons if not more deatructive to humanity.
But why nuke the bunker? Synth wasn't the only technology left inside, they also had plenty of weapon and armor development.
Aren't those supposed to be of interest to the brotherhood?
They'd dump the FEV and swap back to gen 1 synths. Nothing wrong with supplementing your forces with robots so long as they're actual robots and not clones either brain chips.
Gen 1 synths are more worthless then regular pre-war robots. Even the Institute was just dumping them on the surface for how useless they were.
>one of their own kind
They were willing to sacrifice their whole entire order if they had to. They fought a war for it, against the enclave. And all they had were ancient unmaintained rusty t45 suits and crappy hunting rifles, sometimes assault rifles(at like twenty percent condition) if they were lucky. People died.
Go away troll. This bait won't work because we know you're not actually just some guy who's falling for this.
>won't "whack" useful tech
They did though. They had to destroy the entire institute, as punishment. And to ensure no survivors who would threaten their future again.
>3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
Ah, a new reason to hate the Brotherhood added to my list
1. They've always been interested in preserving what can help them, everything the institute has would be of great interest
2. Maxson is all about expansion and recruitment, an unassailable base would help that goal
3. Tech like say... A water purifier? Totally uninterested.
4. Pull an America and turn the surviving scientists into scribes.
>3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
Pretty sure Hydroponics is still a pretty big deal for them given how they live in bunkers, similar to the one that they blew up.
Nope. Both Veronica and House mention in NV that the BoS doesn't care about farming or shit like that. They even send Veronica out to get food and shit in NV because they don't do that themselves. In Fallout 4 it mentioned the BoS mainly get their food from protection rackets they establish with farming committees.
The BoS does not care about non military/weapons tech.
Sure they are not interested in agriculture themselves but the Institute has literal food dispensers
BoS gives zero shits. They aren't going to spend time growing/harvesting the food the Institute puts into the dispensers when they can just strong arm food from local farmers just fine.
That's literal raider behavior.
Yes, the BoS are literally a tech focused raider-like cult. Welcome to Fallout.
They weren't like that in Fallout 1, even though there were rumors of it. They traded stuff for food.
The don't live in bunkers, they live in either the Citadel or the Prydwen.
>why would he know the speech
Who says he did? It's not hard to make something up you moron. And considering you don't have control of what he says that would make a lot of sense.
>sino american war
What?
>Who says he did? It's not hard to make something up you moron
It is considering that it’s based on shit that only Nate would know and understand yes it would be
>What?
You’re a fricking moron and a lorelet, don’t respond to me again and play the fricking games https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Sino-American_War?so=search
You need to learn to play the fricking games you moron. Stop posting reedit lies and shit on here. Just play them. "Wikis" aren't games.
>doesn’t know basic shit that’s mentioned in the first minutes of the first game
>starts having a temper tantrum to cope.
You will never find any instance of the word "sino" in ANY game.
Sino means Chinese moron, just stop, you already outed yourself as a lorelet, don’t make a further embarrassment of yourself now.
The Prydwen is a terrible excuse of a mobile HQ. Yeah sure it's a sky fortress that can rain down ordinance and veribirds, but it's also a huge ass target that can literally be shot down by artillery fire.
And it doesn't help that the Brotherhood of Steel is doing everything in it's power to piss everyone around it off, including the Minutemen.
>including the Minutemen.
Only if you're a liberal cuck who sides with the Railroad. Which is fitting since you like trains an on you.
>can literally be shot down by artillery fire.
Which no one besides the Mintuemen has been shown to have. And even they had to built numerous artillery weapons to overwhelm the Prydwen's defenses.
Even w/o artillery, the fricking minutemen can still wipe the BoS off the fricking map if regrouped. BoS is not a huge ass army.
Except the Prydwen is cool and badass and it works so what are you b***hing about?
They didn't so anything to the minutemen! The minutemen and bos are bros! they're tight. Minutemen can only shoot them if you're also with the railroad.
>They didn't so anything to the minutemen!
Don't they take one of your settlements to use for provisions or something?
Only if you agree to it as a BOS member.
No.
>3. The BoS has never cared about shit like medical or farming tech, so all of that stuff in the Institute is useless to them.
Not true, they used to have pretty good knowledge of medical implants. Obviously things have changed since when the Brotherhood was only found at Lost Hills, but "never" is a strong word.
They are just moronic, when you meet Maxson he gives a speech about "uhh we don't understand this tech so it must be destroyed!"
Liar, they have every reason to do so, least of all for vengeance. The Institute is science being in charge of man, that can not be allowed to exist.
It is though. what are they going to do with it? There's nothing you can do with it that would help humanity, which is all the brotherhood does.
Why say this lie? What do you gain from it? Why do you make things up?
>only 500 people
This isn't true, they're actually very huge.
>never cared about medical or farming tech
Bullshit, what was project purity? I mean it was of the same genre as medical/farming tech anyway.
>institute survivors
They weren't as worried about them as they were of synth survivors. Elder Maxson believes that synths will one day decide that the existence of humans is no longer nessecary. And keep in kind there is no terminator movie in fallout, so he didn't just get that idea from science fiction. It's his own original idea, canonically.
>help humanity, which is all the brotherhood does.
lmao
Play a video game.
>maxson went back on lyon's changes
FRICKING BULLSHIT PLAY THE DAMN GAMEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
They never ever once said this shit! The ONLY thing that they said is that some people were tired of Lyon's foolish ways. The only thing we see that the brotherhood has changed is that they're better and stronger, they no longer allow civilians to have power armor(unless they're using it for good), and they take recruits. Lyons didn't take recruits which was idiotic, and more than likely the only thing they were talking about. And that wasn't a change he made, it was one he didn't make.
>they no longer allow civilians to have power armor
Tell that to the raiders that wear it.
They shoot raiders.
The raiders that they kill on sight?
I always liked the pack because they're colorful and stuff. Operators are lame and boring and try to hard to be edgy. Claiming they only care about "the job" and "business" and that all that matters in the world is money. I don't want to hear anyone say the disciples are more edgy, they're not. At least the disciples enjoy what they do.
>we just like to kill because.. it's fun lol
Disciples are shadow the hedgehog the gang
No they're not, the operators are. Doesn't shadow the hedgehog not like to kill? Isn't he all about business? I don't really know for sure though, I haven't played Sonic.
The Brotherhood only helps themselves
they don't care about Humanity as a whole
They are just raiders with access to more advanced technology than most others
>This isn't true, they're actually very huge.
Except it is true
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Brotherhood_registration
BoS registration system seen in Fallout 4 can only support numbers up to 999, and the highest numbers seen in-game are in the high 400s.
>Bullshit, what was project purity? I mean it was of the same genre as medical/farming tech anyway.
Project Purity was the vanity project of elder Lyons, a guy CUT OFF from the rest of the BoS for going against their ways. Fallout 4 repeatedly mentions how Maxson rolled back Lyons' changes.
>They weren't as worried about them as they were of synth survivors. Elder Maxson believes that synths will one day decide that the existence of humans is no longer nessecary. And keep in kind there is no terminator movie in fallout, so he didn't just get that idea from science fiction. It's his own original idea, canonically.
He got the idea from John Henry Eden, an AI the BoS combated before.
Play the games you fricking subhuman, room temp IQ, mongrel.
>john henry eden
He didn't think that humanity was unnecessary.
Stop lying. You're not even trying.
Big arms. Because you're fricking REACHING, hard.
>they went back on Sarah's changes
They did not and they state multiple times in the game how they did not. There are terminals everywhere on their ship confirming this. You hear people talk about this game thinking the BoS act like the Exiles in 3 or whatever the dead money guy's name was, they don't. A few examples.
>leniency towards technology such as funding rnd projects like a safer radaway or letting animals on the ship for research purposes
>logs making it explicit that they are to TRADE for food and medicine rather than just raiding like they did in new vegas
The change was to become more militant with their approach along with resuming the confiscation/destruction of harmful technology like the synth shit. But as I said, they're more liberal with technology than other game's depictions where they'd torch a caravan over a laser pistol.
>if you're bos, you know, the AMERICAN MILITARY who have a history of fighting with nothing but their heart and soul and giving their lives to fight for freedom and piece for the american people and asking nothing in return, you should have had the option to FRICKING ENSLAVE PEOPLE.
Play the gamessss1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>bortherhood can't figure out gay lame tech
Bullshit, yes they could. The Institute's "tech" isn't even as good as bos tech(legions of t-60, mass produced vertibirds, an enormous war airship, LIberty Prime, they even helped make project purity and it is essentially theirs) in the first place but that doesn't matter because the bos is a thousand million times smarter than the institute anyway.
>railroad has no need to destroy the institute
So you know nothing about the game, not even the basics?
>The Institute's "tech" isn't even as good as bos tech
Lol, teleportation, the creation of synthetic animals and synths are universes ahead of the old BoS tech, which is not even something they created but inherited from the US military. The BoS are literal cavemen when compared with what the institute achieved in 200 years, meanwhile all the BoS can do is scrape old tech.
And keep in mind, the shitty writing and dialogue system keeps you from ever calling out the Institute for all the shitty things they done.
You can't name a single thing wrong with the "system" or the "writing". Go back to enjoying your onions milk and your fumko poops while you watch the qu1ppy tv "show".
Ganker is an Institute board simple as
>Thread about video games.
>On the video game board.
>On the anime imageboard website.
>ctrl+f "troony"
>5 posts in.
>Not using Institute and Botherhood tech to make a Neo Vault City
You lot are idiots and should be made to work as slaves, if you do not support this plan.
So you can just up and destroy every faction in the game besides the minutemen?
I feel like I've been playing the game wrong, knowing this now.
Yes
You can't kill Preston even if you're a raider
You can kill the other companions but only after you make them hate you and they permanently leave
You can kill Deacon and Danse early when you first meet them, just shoot them lmao
i remember being able to kill preston after nuka world but I could be wrong
You can't kill danse right away.
I usually don’t do it, but the Minutemen bombarding the Prydwin is always fricking hilarious.
yes, you can also become a raider and just ignore them, they will still talk to you for the main quests. (or use mods and destroy the minutemen too)
>be Brotherhood
>send Sole Survivor to find nukes in the Glowing Sea and in an abandoned fort
>blow up an entire underground facility filled with tech that they can't even fathom
FO4's factions don't have any real distinctions.
>Institute: "lol we built bots. We just do, don't worry about it"
>BoS: "We hate the bots!"
>The Railroad: "We're poor and stinky lol!"
>Minute Men: "HURR DURR! HURR DURR! HURR DURRRRRR!"
Didn't the TV show confirm that the Brotherhood won?
Well, there is a giant airship on the west coast. If it's not the Prydwyn, then they have multiple airships now.
It’s the Prydwyn
then BoS winning in 4 is canon now, yeah
No it isn't. All we know is that the BoS are in the Commonwealth. For all we know the Minutemen won since the Minutemen and BoS can co exist.
Not really, it could be the other factions you are not forced to destroy the Prydwyn to win unless you side with the institute
>other factions
Literally just the minute men
this is like saying the blanks in the worlds end were right
There is no way society and nature wouldn't go back in 200 years, now Fallout is trapped in the same state forever because there is no way to end it properly
Real talk. Do the TV show depict the BOS in a fair light, or did they too fall for the "fascists" meme, not understanding the BOS at all?
They're now all psychos.
They're not painted favorably at all. The main BoS character is a deserter who let his Knight die because he was a jerk, then stole his armor and just pretends to be a Knight when really he's a traitor and his plan is to escape with the vault girl to go live in her vault and get pussy
And the loyalists are depicted as brainwashed and so sheltered that they don't even understand what sex is.
>Talking about Fallout 4
Imagine liking or even giving this piece of shit any attention,
they should make a fallout game that takes place ENTIRELY in a fallout shelter
that would be kino
ENTER
THE
SHELTER
KINO
>you are a vault dweller
>realize your vault is connected in a complex underground network with multiple vaults across america
>people live in the tunnels, there's raiders and factions
>procedurally generated looter shooter
Todd do this
Shaun is an incel, the least he could have done is leave behind an actual grandchild manchild/womancel so that Nate/Nora can be a young grandpa/grandma.
>shane is an incel obsessed with robowaifus
makes sense
this is every fallout thread now
>now
The Brotherhood is not above using 1st/2nd gen synths to use as cannon fodder.
They wouldn't fight beside them but they'll be soaking up all the fire and damage while squires, knights and paladins sweep up the rest.
>no option to romance Kellogg and turn him into a good man
Frick you Todd
I liked all the Fallout games.
I just wish the writing on the Bethesda titles was better, the gameplay is tight, it's just that the main story is usually spotty, or in the case of Fallout 4 lacking in options because everyone but the Minutemen are morally grey and you can do nothing to fix it.
Frick you Emil.
>ITT: Ganker suffers retrograde amnesia regarding FO4 being THE definitive reddit fallout title
maybe it's the collective brain damage Ganker suffered considered the very next year was when the internet lost its collective shit but wasn't there a time when the cognitive requirement meant something like modding a title was no biggy?
since when does Ganker blow any game studios, let alone BRAPthesda
Doesn't matter, the Minutemen will show up in Season 2 and will destroy Liberty Prime (powered by cold fusion).
The ghoul will find out that his ex-wife (who is in cryostasis) and his ghoul negress daughter are in San Francisco while Lucy heads back to Vault 33 along with the Minutemen.
Maximus joins the Minutemen and leaves the Brotherhood behind. Enclave shows up in the post-credit scene.
*ahem*
FRICK TOASTERS
FRICK SKINJOBS
FRICK THE INSTITUTE
did the third world shitposter making these threads get tired of bad enclave memes or something
>he is "good"
Frick your reddit factions, choose the best gang. For me, it's the operators.
You let him go, right?
I don't remember letting him go, I remember killing him. Is there any reason why you shouldn't? Isn't he a monster or something?
He just wanted to cure his ghoul friends so he's protecting them until his friend returns with a cure. You can convince him to leave instead of killing him.
He was so confrontational I missed the dialogue option to save him
>You let him go, right?
No way, I wanted his outfit for my collection. All NPCs with unique outfits MUST die.
nta but that outfit isn't that good or very unique. How is it worth his life?
Because I autistically collect every unique weapon, clothing, and armor in the game for my collection.
Nuka World should have traded the generic raider for Mags Black
Also an option to invade and occupy it with the faction of your choice (Minutemen, Institute, Brotherhood of Steel, Railroad) along with the option of going Doomguy
Who is mags black? Is he from the tabletop thing?
>should have had an option to let faction take it over
Well they can't do everything. It was already a huge expansion plus it added new mechanics.
She’s one of the leaders of one of the raider gangs in Nuka World.
Tying the settlement system to one faction was their biggest mistake with the game. They even tease it with that one Railroad mission where you set up a safehouse for them on top of a settlement. Imagine how much more significant the faction choice would feel if you were brotherhood, setting up brotherhood bases and then you beat the main quest and now the roads are patrolled by the brotherhood, with brotherhood checkpoints everywhere.
This shit is ironic right?
which one? take a picture and post it
That one cherry picked graph of 3 vs nv quests seemed pretty sincere, I think people are larping themselves into not liking nv (the greatest game ever made)
I was a NV fan but replayed it a while ago and realized it always been ass. Now I enjoy FO4
You’re a zoomer who’s never played it or any other game aside from 3 and 4
Frick the bos, they killed tomboy sarah lyons and maxon has a zoomer haircut.
God bless the Minutemen
Look man she's not actually a tomboy. Elder Lyon's comment about her sometimes forgetting she's a girl is just because she never takes off her power armor and never dates any boys. That's more because she's a dedicated soldier.
>killed her
Umm the bos never killed Sara, she died in battle against super mutants.
>zoomer haircut
No, you may be blind. Plus didn't this game come out before zoomers even had their iconic look?
>Umm the bos never killed Sara, she died in battle against super mutants.
Surrreee. How convenient for Maxon
Dude had a crush on her, that was anything but convenient. Also have you met Maxson? He's a hero and he believes in everything that he's doing. He's not some shady butthole who smothers people in their sleep.
You know, I did find that holotape. My guess is that I chose a different dialogue option for roleplaying reasons. Like I wasn't the kind of guy who shows people holotapes first before voicing my own thoughts.
Minutemen are good as the East Coast NCR equivalent. People complained about Bethesda using Enclave and BoS instead of making new factions but when they make new ones they lose their shit.
>People complained about Bethesda using Enclave and BoS instead of making new factions but when they make new ones they lose their shit.
Because Bethesda writing is fricking shit.
if only minutemen looked like this
only preston does
tbh bethesda should have given them the service rifle (ar-15)
no gay wood stock, only all black
>only preston does
That's actually the General's Armor you get int he Castle. You can also outfit your settlers to have minutemen outfits and hats. Mine are blue due to a great mod.
DUDE BLADERUNNER WOAOW
The Minutemen should have laser muskets instead of weak pipe weapons
They also need to scale when you reach certain main missions and levels
By the ending they should be all wearing Revolutionary war uniforms and have maxed out laser muskets, .50cal hunting rifles, service rifles and missile launchers
Not fair when Institute have Coursers and BoS will shit out Star Paladins
the laser musket is probably one of the worst guns ever made by Bethesda
I think it's fun.
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Bethesda should have just adopted the M1 Garand and M14
I didn't mind the laser musket compared to some of their other abominations because I actually thought it was kind of fun to shoot.
I felt it really underwhelming, you have a slow ass reload with low damage and not the punch of a sniper rifle
A full crank shot is one of the highest damaging shots you can do with rifleman build and it's available at level 1.
The Gunners
>style themselves on pre-war military
>will do any job as long as the caps are good
>you are an actual Pre-War Military veteran
>can't join them
>can't even talk to them
>can't hire them to help you
wasted opportunity
macready was a gunner, you can hire him
ex-gunner, no longer associated and now just an independent merc
it's not the same as getting to interact with the whole faction
they just shoot you on sight for no reason and have zero depth to them beyong that, despite Nate being exactly the kind of person they should be interested in recruiting or taking a job from
>they just shoot you on sight for no reason
They'll actually tell you to frick off first
>heckin science faction
>"we have no motives or even a clear hypothesis to explain our behavior"
I haven't gotten there yet but what's the deal with raider outposts? You just make a raider settlement, sacrifice another settlement to feed the raider settlement, then all the raiders there just walk around doing nothing and you can get a small amount of caps if you travel half the world over to the tribute chest? Is that it? You can't have the raider npcs raid anything or what?
>you can't have raider npcs raid anything
I think you can. I never did much with that though, I let them stay in nuka world.
Minutemen > Institute > BoS >>> Gaylroad
Despite their flaws, the Minutemen are probably the least moronic choice.
Also why's even the Brotherhood even in the Commonwealth? To wipe out the Synths and Mutants? Okay for who's gain? Their own? Because we know they certainly don't give a frick about the Commonwealth or the locals of it.
This post is an example of irony. This anon is not really a moron, he's just acting like one. As a joke.
This took me too long to find goddammit but it explains why the Institute is so shitty.
Another "fallout3/4 good actually!" thread. Congratz.
Everyone in the world has literally always thought they were good. Get used to it. No matter how many times you lie and shill, you will never be able to control reality and cold hard facts will remain unmoving.