>Interview with developers of FF7 Rebirth confirm Aerith is dead-dead and that FF7 will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
Source: https://www.frontlinejp.net/2024/04/17/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-post-release-interview-part-1/
>Interview with developers of FF7 Rebirth confirm Aerith is dead-dead and that FF7 will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
>will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
kind of late for that????
the story is still the same, the new stuff doesn't remove that.
>story is still the same
*time ghosts in your path*
>the story is still the same
american reading comprehension at work
Yeah I remember in the PSX game where Barret died but came back and Sephiroth showed up in the first five minutes and also everyone fought the first boss from Kingdom Hearts
Not anon, but I think the problem people have is the fact that they introduced all this time nonsense only to have it not change anything meaningful in the first place. So why do it at all?
See
I understand that, but it kind of goes against what the fans wanted in the first place. People just wanted a remake of the original game with the same storyline. If they wanted to try to avoid making things stale, but go as far as adding time ghosts, temporarily resurrecting multiple characters, temporarily killing characters, and all sorts of other stuff, they should have just removed some of their limitations and actually gone for some sweeping changes towards the end. They could have done a whole bunch of additional content without these massive changes that they already made. For example, there was nothing stopping them from referencing/cameoing Dirge characters without having to do time shenanigans. The same goes for adding extra storylines and side quests to the story. This isn't me complaining about things being changed, either, since I already accepted (and expected) that there would be more of the time stuff going on after the first game. It's just the fact that they doubled down on it with Rebirth by doing all the extra Zack stuff, only to tell us that it's effectively going to result in the same original ending...only with extra content along the way. why not just give us more than that at this point? It just feels like a wasted opportunity after coming so far. Are they just going back on their original intentions?
Nothing ultimately changed. Zack is just running around in the afterlife/lifestream. They've been writing novels about lifestreams for the past 30 years
>Vader fights Luke
>Vader slices off Luke's head by mistake
>Oopsie!
>Force heals and ressurrects Luke
>Sorry I meant to do this
>Slices off Luke's arm
>Oh I'm your father btw
Yes I shouldn't complain about this change at all since everything is still the same in the end.
lol
The plot is still exactly the same, you dipshit.
>Nothing ultimately changed.
A story is not about point A and B, it's about the pathway you took to get there. It doesn't matter if we still arrived at the same destination if we're now covered in shit with 4 flat tires and an arrest warrant. See
Same plot, only the lore has been expanded.
>expanded
Spreaded thin
Whats changed? Sephiroth still baddy and Aerith is gone. In Part 3 youll fight Seph for the 20th fricking time and Cloud will accept Aerith being gone. Same fricking shit.
you're right. It's already been changed. That's why so many fans stopped supporting it
Is that Tifa's face model?
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this is what pisses me off. what was the point of the autism, the time jannies, splitting the game in 3 parts and so on? frick, I really do hope square enix dies soon
Trust in Kitase's happy end plan. He forced it in.
well I'm definitely happy he'll be retiring right after
There is no happy ending if Advent Children is canon.
>NOOO DON'T GIVE ME GI LORE NOOOOO THAT WASNT IN THE ORIGINAL THEY ARE BETRAYING US!!!!
Shut the frick up
worlds biggest time ghost fan here
Some things are better left untold
Gis are just some tribe who attacked the canyon, no other details are relevant. That story is about Red XIII, not about the Gi.
I honestly don't get Ganker's overblown response to it. Having played both games, it may as well be nothing. It's basically just small parts of the games and then a big surprise thing at the very end after the majority was just the same.
>completely changes the tone and atmosphere of a game that made waves for those specific qualities
Not spending $210 on your fanfiction-tier rewrite.
You lost.
>just small parts of the game
>>>>>>>>
>Further, Kazushige Nojima, who wrote the kllyrics for "No Promises To Keep", explains yhe song isn't about Cloud or Zack or any individual in particular.
I didn't realize FF7 took place in the Escaflowne universe
Aerith is literally voiced by Maaya dude
So is Lightning but I bet you don't want to remember that.
Lightning didn't sing a song with the exact same message as Escaflowne's.
Don't they usually have it relate to the characters and story in some way? Why not in this case?
i'd ask what the point of the remake is, if that is the case. why put in all the time janny nonsense and multiple world shit if the end result is more or less the exact same.
The time janny shit is only to have an overarching story for the 3 parts and to give you "epic" boss fights for the ending of each game, that's it.
Except they didn't have to do that. Okay let's say that there's no meaningful changes and that everything will progress as normal. Well now instead of a fairy straightforward plot with a few mystery boxes to solve, instead you have to pull out a fricking white board to chart out the events of MULTIPLE UNIVERSES just to get to the same point of "Cloud's perception of reality has been skewed." Instead of clearing up some of the convolution of FF7's plot, they added to it
Probably to retcon some things for the FF7 sequel.
I've been saying it every thread: to bait you into buying the game. That's it. Imagine writing garbage into your magnum opus just to get people to speculate about what might happen next, pissing off the fans that liked the original. Then, pull the rug out from under the theorizers by telling them they're dumb and it will all amount to nothing. They know you shitters will buy the third so they don't care. They've gotten their golden parachute and will retire after this.
What's the point of alternative time-line stealth sequel shit if you're just gonna chicken out on making drastic changes anyway? This is starting to give me Disney Star Wars vibes
It's quite literally only there to drive discussion and debate among the fanbase for the next 4 years to keep the game 'fresh' until the next part.
They said as much about the ending of Rebirth about a month ago, and they said as much about the ending of Remake 4 years ago.
The only two meaningful changes in the story across Remake and Rebirth is Cloud thinks he saved Aerith, and Zack is fricking around somewhere in the lifestream.
That's it. Everything else is an inconsequential change that was done to expand the story and lore.
>Cloud in OG: Messed up in the head, being puppeted by Sephiroth, Aerith dies
>Cloud in Rebirth: Messed up in the head, being puppeted by Sephiroth, Aerith dies
Literally nothing meningful changed outside of the exposition
His characterization is wrong and he's not the real cloud. They either have to rewrite everything again or this is still a demake.
No Cloud's characterization isn't the problem. Of the long, long list of problems in this game the character writing is one highlight of the remake series. Cloud is a dork who's convinced himself he's a badass but doesn't actually have the experience of being a badass so he tries too hard which makes him come off as a dork. That's the main thing recent iterations of the character frick up and I'm glad someone finally got it right.
The way he gave the Black materia to Sephiroth was infinitely less moronic and less redundant in the OG than in Rebortion
I knew from the beginning that they were going to change that. Cloud shifting into an abrasive butthole and cutting off Aerith's hopeful speech was good but I knew from the jump they weren't going to have Cloud punch her face in in high definition.
Not really. This time the party actually tries to stop cloud. In the original they just stay still while cloud slowly gives it back lmao
In rebirth it is obvious that sephiroth is playing with cloud and only thanks to aerith intervention he managed to pull get rid of seph control
Except it's way too obvious now.
>outside of the exposition
The exposition is how you tell the story, holy fricking shit. If the exposition is out of order and adds a bunch of nonsense elements, it's a meaningful change to the story.
You have to be some iliterate Black person to believe the story is the same because you visit the same places in the same order.
Didn't the 2nd game sell poorly?
What do they think they earn in the 3rd part.
Same thing they did with Part 1.
>"THE UNKNOWN JOURNEY WILL CONTINUE"
>The general plot beats are the same.
What's the biggest offender, Rocket Town was skipped so it could be focused on in Part 3? Bone Village not a thing? That's about it.
If the point of the jannies was to drive discussion why even come out and say that they will change nothing? Doesn't that kill the discussion?
Vincent in Remake is more of a company man. His personality is weird. I think he's pretending so no one thinks he's a cuck.
Theres no timelines stealtj sequel shit though, thats just some headcanon people came up with
>What's the point of alternative time-line stealth sequel shit
no such thing, you just have brainrot
to drive away fans of how the original game was designed in favor of """"real"""" fans who just want more FF7slop on their plate
Someone probably finally told them that continuing with the Time Ghost bullshit outside of Midgar (aka the part of FFVII barely anyone gave a shit about anyway) might ruin the parts of FFVII that people actually remembered and liked.
The whispers were “defeated” at the end of remake so it was a natural trajectory for them to play less of a role in this
Without the time janitors ghosts, shouldn't things have been more of the rails, not less?
>might ruin the parts of FFVII that people actually remembered and liked.
They weren't wrong. They completely butchered Aerith's death, it's not a moment where I should be thinking "what is happening?" over just being sad over the death of a character I like, all for the sake of something that serves no purpose beyond I presume fanservice because "ZOMG CLOUD AND ZACK FIGHTING TOGETHA AGAINST SHEPINOTH"
Dude I've been getting those vibes since the start.
To not make all the assets, which is moronic. The place were Aerith dies is a cutscene, in OG FF7 it was a ghost town of civilization. Playable.
I'm actually mad. I want Aerith to live.
lul hit the lifestream corpsie
>cloti seething
So you a bugfemcel and a zelink fan and imaging Cloud rapes you 24/7?
>Zelink
>Cloti
how disgusting can one single human be?
>This is starting to give me Disney Star Wars vibes
Starting? Bro FF7R is Ahsoka. They dangle the carrot in front of you then when you reach the end of the story you realize there was never anything planned and the writers wasted your time, but got your money/attention.
Remake is TFA down to how it was a bad remake of A New Hope with mystery box shit for where things could go
>Aerith is dead-dead and that FF7 will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
No shit.
Anyone that's been paying attention already knows that.
Glad it's fully confirmed finally so people can shut the frick up about Aerith still being alive.
Point of view from party members
>Aerith dead, all limit breaks at 100%, they are sad and angry
Point of view from Cloud
>Aerith alive, no limit break at thr start due to no emotional anger, he doesn't pay attention to her water burial
ONLY ZOOMERS MISS THINGS. ZOOMERS ARE NOT SMART. Aerith is dead and Cloud hallucinating invented a different scenario and that's in character for him.
its more likely that Cloud realizes that Aerith is alive and the other party members are blinded and think Aerith is dead
>Aerith: Farewell Cloud and thank you for everything
>Cloud: See you next time hehe. Oh there you are Aerith I'll see you around.
She's doing just fine just playing a little hard to get is all.
Why didn't her dress react to the Tiny Bronco engine blowing?
why DID her dress react when they were waiting for Cloud in the Tiny Bronco?
She turned on her cloth physics after realizing her earlier mistake
Explain yourseles morons, is she fricking dead yes or no?
>Explain yourseles morons, is she fricking dead yes or no?
She's dead unfortunately. Its just that one same autist that keeps on coping by making those daily threads that shes alive.
probably dead but you have to have single digit iq to think they wont find a way to bring her back. just look at the entire zack situation, him popping up next to cloud to fight sephiroth was ironic meme fanfiction tier theory shitposting and it actually happened.
You have to do shit with things you put into your narrative. Very basic rule of storytelling. Zack’s introduction in another world guaranteed worlds would interact and they’d fight together. I have no idea how some convince themselves that this Aerith lived world shit isn’t going to play a role. Especially when Nomura has pulled characters back from the dead with zero prior setup in KH.
No you don't. That's why it's called bait. They didn't do anything with Zack, nor did they do anything with Biggs or Wedge. Nothing will happen. They've told you that and even now you still don't agree. Just don't buy the game and don't buy any SE products unless you like findom.
I'm going to be honest if they added all that shit but none of it changes anyway somehow ff7remake will replace game of thrones as the go to example of garbage universally hated writing.
Anon we've already gotten 2 games where they added all that shit and it amounted to frick all in the end. What makes you think they're going to pivot and swerve in the last moment during part 3?
They've been upfront about the remake project since the start: it's not going to tell a new story, it's going to tell the same story in a new way.
It ended up telling the same story in a worse way and that's the problem. What's the point of making changes if you are just changing for the worse?
>FF7 will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
Then what was the point of ruining every big moment with time jannies?
see
It's a metaphor for Nomura's anger at Toriyama and Kitase for wanting to change the story. He made Nojima write a monster expressing his unbridled rage in exchange for letting Nojima put in his light novel original characters, then made sure those OCs don't actually matter.
Nomura has a lot of anger
>Then what was the point of ruining every big moment with time jannies?
They dont know what theyre doing and are literally just making it up as they go along.
Don't you get it? They found a way to tell the same story again but longer and worse so they can split it up and make more money on it
>Nomura wanted to avoid focusing on Aerith so as to not give fans false hope
>literally has a scene of Cloud repelling the strike that would kill Aerith, making it appear as if she survives, only for her to fall dead anyway
>not give fans false hope
What a fricking moron
Why do they keep lying about it? People already played the game and spread the voice far and wide, there's no damage control that will work
>FF7 will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
Time jannies will see to it. They've taken over Square Enix and now they run things.
They know that the alternate reality Aerith will be in the third game if there is one. Anyone who had the displeasure to playing this knows the alternate reality will be in there and that FF7R's main reality is a "doomed reality" due to the invisible rip in the sky.
Gaslight some more why don'tcha?
homosexual OP is cherrypicking quotes
https://www.frontlinejp.net/2024/04/18/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-post-release-interview-part-6-devs-discuss-the-climax-and-the-final-game/
>Kitase says that considering his age, the third game will likely be the last time he can be directly involved with a Final Fantasy game. While there is a possibility that the world of FF7 may continue on after it, it will be the conclusion to the series for now, and he says that he would like Cloud and the other characters to have a happy ending. There is no telling how the game will actually end until it is finished, but he personally does not want it to leave behind any unfinished business.
>Kitase has recently passed him (nomura) a request to do something extremely important that was not in the original game, and he personally thinks it will be something very difficult to do. He is currently polishing the idea, and says that if pulled off right will be something that the fans will definitely be happy about, and so he is thinking about how to make it sound convincing
aerith and zack and sephiroth and genesis and angeal join the party for the final battle against jenova hojo
I'm going to screencap this in order to laugh at you in three years when everything stays the same in the end, homosexual.
I'm going to screencap this in order to laugh at you in three years when Sephiroth and Zack join the party and have their own combination limit breaks, homosexual.
>FF7morons
lmao couldn't be me
Hey Mackle when you gonna actually progress to playing Dragon's Dogma 2 instead of Dragon's Dogma? No excuses that it'll take like 40 hours to get to 2.
>the remake trilogy PROMISES to stick to the original story
>second game's theme song and the final message in the game say they're not keeping any promises
This is kino and OP is a brainlet
This article is a desperate attempt to get hesitant and disenfranchised people to buy the game.
The link is just to the Ultimania translations that says nothing like OP and you're as much of a brainlet as him
Square Enix plays weird games with their fans' minds.
That's the real final fantasy.
This is the worst of the worst. You get the same story but with bits here and there that only serve to undermine it. The time jannies, Zack, the timelines... None of this shit improves the original story, it only makes it worse! They ruined Aerith death for god's sake and Dyne's too. How is it possible for them to think that this is in any way better than the original? Just look at how they killed Wedge and Biggs, it was so pathetic... One gets pushed off a building by time jannies and the other gets shot in the most random and incoherent way possible for no reason! Every change has been for the worst. Some of the most iconic moments totally ruined by these moronic changes.
>Aerith is dead-dead and that FF7 will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
Then why bother changing anything?
They were testing the waters and did not expect the reception to be as negative at it was
They're idiots if the think people are reacting negatively because of the binary
>Aeries lives? I WALK
>Aeris dies? I WALK
shit.
People are upset because of the execution. Because of all the dumb, needless fluff. If you want to change the story so that Aeris lives, they could have done that in a way that was at least remotely comprehensible or less moronic or in a way that didn't try to have its cake or eat it too with the OG stabbing scene. Square-Enix is trying to toe the line between new story and keeping things fresh while displeasing both sides of the aisle. They need to stick with one side of the lawn and fricking finish mowing it for frick's sake.
*between same story
This right here. Look I like Aerith. I like Zack. Both of them died brutal and unfair deaths. They were good people who did not deserve the ends that they got. But judging by
Kitase wants to follow the original plot to please purists but also give everyone happy endings to please people who like Zack and Aerith. And you can't. Their deaths are the building blocks of FF7's story. Without Zack dying, Cloud doesn't get to start his journey. Without Aerith dying, the planet doesn't get to be saved.
I absolutely believe the multiverse fate bullshit is to set aside a timeline where Zack and Aerith live but it'll be separated from our timeline so that they're dead and alive at the same time. Aerith is Schrodinger's cat now.
It's also important to differentiate what people mean when they say "happy ending" in the context of FF7. When I played the OG as a little snot nosed brat back in 97, I wasn't phased at all by Aeris's death. Not even in the slightest. Probably didn't help that when I first saw it I thought the whole thing was a dream sequence, and I didn't register Sephiroth showing up and poking a hole through Aeris's belly as anything other than an umpteenth fever dream of Cloud's until after the fact. But I digress. I accepted Zack's sudden and jarring death. And I accepted Aeris's death.
What I didn't accept was that terrible ambiguous ending that provided ZERO closure to any of the characters were still standing by the time Aeris performed Lifestream jutsu on Meteor. Is that what Kitase is referring to when he says "happy ending?" I hope so.
7's original ending was better closure than fricking AC at least
OG Cloud in Temple of Ancients:
>ARGH, MUST LISTEN TO The Thing™
>Here you are, my Master™
>Sith music intensifies
>absolute kino
Remake Cloud in Temple of the Ancients:
>Cloud, go and pick up that can
>that's it, you little beta b***h
>WHY DON'T YOU AND YOUR MATERIA'S BOYFRIEND GET A ROOM *smacks the materia out of Cloud's hand*
>*Cloud cries out effeminately
AC was literally the ending I wanted to OG way back in 97. Shut your prostitute mouth.I bet you enjoyed FFXVI's ending too.
neither of these things happened
That's because you can't pick up on nuance, and because your mother sucks dwarf wiener
Seriously the new schizo scenes have the subtlety of a shitty anime wtf. Like I know that everyone already knows the story but Jesus Christ.
That's what realism does to a game and its why you can't directly remake FF7 without making it chibi and interpretational just like the original game.
You missed the entire point. Definitely sub 100 IQ.
Kitase said that he wants to give the CHARACTERS a happy ending this time. In the old Ultimania he or Nojima said something about how OG7 had a happy ending for the planet even though all the humans are dead.
>all humans are dead
nice headcanon
>t. loved No Time to Die and Inception
Read the original FF7 Ultimania, moron. Holy destroys everything that threatens the planets, and that meant all of mankind. They retconned it later with AC but the original intention was exterminating the entire human race.
Holy's will was left up to interpretation leading up and through the spell being cast. Even Bugenhagen didn't know what was going to happen to humanity in the OG. Fricking text skipper. Replay cosmo canyon again. 0/10 Apply yourself
One of the devs, can't remember if it was Kitase or Nojima, literally said in the old Ultimania interview that it killed everyone.
He was joking when he said that. Read the transcription again.
>Would not have sold a single unit
>source: my sphincter
(笑) at the end does not mean he was joking, you read bad translations.
Every person who says "Im glad they added jannies I wouldnt have bought it if they werent there" is full of shit and you know it.
To your credit, it wasn't Cosmo Canyon where he said that. It was the 2nd run through the Forgotten City
>Bugenhagen
>Holy... the ultimate White Magic. Magic that might stand against Meteor. Perhaps our last hope to save the planet from Meteor.
>If a soul seeking Holy reaches the planet, it will appear.
>Ho Ho Hooo.
>Meteor, Weapon, everything will disappear.
>Perhaps, even ourselves.
>Cloud
>Even us!?
>Bugenhagen
>It is up to the planet to decide.
>What is best for the planet. What is bad for the planet.
>All that is bad will disappear. That is all.
>Ho Ho Hooo.
>I wonder which we humans are?
Damn. My point still stands though.
FFXVI has MANY problems.
Keep moving that goalpost, b***h homie
What about the children's laughter at the end of the final cinematic?
>Then why bother changing anything?
To sell the game.
Same reason the last shitty Star Wars movie had C3PO "dying" in the trailer, to try and get an emotional response from the viewer and to go watch the movie. Yet it in the movie it was a nothingburger and there was no consequences because he just came back in the next scene.
Damage control
I will buy game if aerith lives.
I will not buy game if she dies.
Simple as.
I will buy game if genesis
I will not buy game if no genesis
Simple as.
it's going to go way off the rails if that happens
Do you own the original FF7?
Yeah actually.
I also used to own the prima strategy guide.
wtf, they already ruined the story with time jannies and multiverse bs. theres no coming back after all that shit
The Remakes are ultimately about acceptance like the OG always was. The whole 'change your fate' debacle was only to build up hope just to crush it again.
>will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
Nice of them to cop to all of the changes being meaningless fanservice garbage.
Again, why would I pay $300 for an "FF7 expanded universe" when I can just get a copy of the original for $10 secondhand
What a thread filled with morons, holy shit.
The entire point of the trilogy of games wasnt to "remake" ff7 as in "just another replay", it was to actually make it feel like you were playing ff7 for the first time again.
Thats why the entire aerith sequence is designed the way it is. To play with you, to make you feel anxiety, expectations, so for ONE FRICKING SECOND you dont know what are you getting into, like when you were playing ff7 for the first time.
Its a noble effort, sadly they forgot to realize that ff7 "fans" in general are extremely defensive over it. They dont really care about how remake is presenting things, its just a checklist for them. The whole dyne sequence being "criticized" because "he didnt throw himself down a cliff" is proof of it. They are not playing remake as if it was a game youve never played before, they are just playing ff7 remake as a replay of the old game and get angry when its not the same.
That expectation is impossible because of the name that's on the fricking box. You don't want fans to go in with the expectation of the game being FF7? Then don't remake FF7.
Oh and i forgot to add, you can already see them mispreading misinfo like
Kitase has explicitly said multiple times that he wishes there was a happy ending because he loves the characters and has spend a lot of time with them, but he KNOWS that the game cant be all shine and rainbows so its just a personal feeling he has, its not gonna be a happy ending. Its just gonna be ff7.
>The entire point of the trilogy of games wasnt to "remake" ff7
So why'd they spend 10 years advertising the "remake" and then call the first part (out of three separate $70 purchases) "Remake"
read the rest of the sentence.
No.
I'm not spending $210 plus tax on a single game.
>it was to actually make it feel like you were playing ff7 for the first time again
holy shit, this anon gets it
>it was to actually make it feel like you were playing ff7 for the first time again.
You know what would have made it feel like playing it for the first time again? Having a faithful remake with the modern graphics. You know what doesn't make it feel like the first time again? Shit loads of things reminding you that it is not the first time, or are completely baffling for actual first timers.
>People are upset because of the execution.
Exactly. What they needed to do is throw in a bunch of small details that were subtle and did not match up, and left people going, "That was not in the original..." and then, at the very end on the highway do the Sephiroth reveal (and make that the first time he shows up) with the feather falling down, and then have the team fight "fate", no Sephiroth fight, and after succeeding have Sephiroth show up for the 2nd and last time with some "Just as planned" smirk and disappear. Leave the audience wondering what the frick is going to happen now.
Instead we got useless time jannies and a bunch of memberberries.
>bunch of memberberries.
That's literally the fricking point of a remake you mouthbreathing moron.
"Oh the memberberries in REmake when Yawn appears!"
You fricking idiot
You're a fricking moron.
Not what memberberries means, you homosexual, and you know it. And if you don't know what it means keep your wienersucking mouth shut until your "wife's" bull fills it up.
>Having a faithful remake
This. I won't buy any of them because I know it'll have stupid shit like time jannies in it. I'm glad I had a free month of PS+ to play the first part, then skip it.
This is as bad as the "13 is boring on PURPOSE" cope.
Shit cope.
Dyne is worse so I feel like I'm playing FFVII again for the first time?
More like it makes me wish I was playing FFVII instead of this fricking garbage.
This is literally the worst way to tell FF7's story though. Even the new people playing this game are getting screwed. What kind of nonsense is this post?
Well it didn’t work since Rebirth won’t do anywhere near as well as Remake and Part 3 will do even worse, so this shit didn’t hook players
Then why not make a faithful remake from the start? Are they moronic?
They are Square Enix. They've been fully moronic since FFX-2. Never go full moron.
Why did they even bother adding all the moronic shit so?
Is this the thread where weird Aerith shippers pretend that just becuase Aerith doesn't live, no other changes matter at all?
No it's the thread where you see a single post you don't like and you start strawmanning and answering yourself because you have no actual contribution to make aside from derailing with ship drama - not that YOU'RE a shipper, of course *wink*
most non-obvious shipper pretending someone else is a shipper
>the only people who would make fun of shippers is another shipper
anon...
>Is this the thread where weird Aerith shippers pretend that just becuase Aerith doesn't live, no other changes matter at all?
Yep. There have been weird aerith shippers in a shit ton of threads the previous weeks whining that if she didn't live, EVERYONE would be mad because "it would all be pointless".
FF8 is the only high iq FF game.
Nomura literally said they're changing the ending.
Checked Ultimania and that site's summary/translations are accurate.
>Even with the original Japanese lyrics, you can sing along with the melody properly
Are they not aware Uematsu created a song that 1 in 10 million people can actually sing decently
He's just saying that the melody was made to fit the Japanese lyrics first and then the English translation was made up later and that's why the English version is so fricked up.
Like how the journey was U N K N O W N ?
Why does Kitase want to stick a clear happy ending on a "remake" of a game that had an ending where people argued for years whether humans went extinct after it ended or if they survived due to the only evidence being kids laughing in the after credits scene?
>an ending where people argued for years whether
I mean to this people say Ramza died
https://www.frontlinejp.net/2020/08/26/final-fantasy-tactics-ending-explained-ramzas-fate-and-the-return-to-ivalice/
I am one of those people. Those are ghosts dude. Ramza was in another dimension characters said there was no escape from and the entire airship he was on exploded. There's no way he somehow got out.
Ramza is absolutely dead. The script was pretty clear about how there was no return multiple times, Loffrey quite literally goading you about destroying the only entry and exit point, then the ship you're on immediately explodes with Ultima's defeat. Cid hasn't been seen or contacted Orran and he believes he's dead. Agrias is a ??? too.
He was seeing what he wanted to see, and Varamathra stays silent and doesn't indulge his delusion. On that tangential note, I always imagined she had her throat slit during the confrontation with Delita where he let her live, and is now mute.
Because ambiguous endings are shit. And FFXVI bombed for many reasons. Can you guess which one of those reasons were?
Because it was a shit game. Nobody actually made it to the ending.
>Source: my rectum
Don't respond to those morons. They're dumb and edgy enough to believe Holy would kill off all of humanity but would leave Nanaki alone to procreate because....Game of Thrones is awesome...?
Nanaki's race isn't making mako reactors.
The art direction hyper linearity and tacked on rpg mechanics.
Few see the ending before they buy the game. FF16's major problems are elsewhere.
Damn, if XVI bombed I dread to think how much worse Rebirth did that they won't even say anything about sales
I didn't get it because I didn't have a PS5 at the time, and by the time I got one for Rebirth I'd heard bad things about its gameplay and story. Especially the gameplay.
And the aesthetic never appealed to me to begin with.
FFXVI can have all of those problems. And more. More at 11:00
Is that why FF7 original outsold FF16 moron?
The FF7R trilogy would not have sold a single unit less if it was more faithful (no jannies/multivese) and just added some respectful new content (Jessie's house, Shinra attacking Kalm chasing you, better Barret, etc.) In fact it probably would have sold more because the OG fanbase would be more more on board and act as the foundation for sales. I know I would have.
But instead they decided to make games that insult me because FF7 for PlayStation is my favorite game. And I won't just go along with them and like FF7 because of how cool Sephiroth and Cloud are, or how Midgar looks awesome, or how hot Tifa is. They hate me because I love the game FF7, the parts and the whole.
Square-Enix would not have made FF7R trilogy if that were the case, so your baseless speculation is irrelevant.
>he FF7R trilogy would not have sold a single unit less if it was more faithful
is that why Rebirth saw a colossal fall-off now that no one's fooled by their doublespeak marketing?
Then why'd they stick those kids laughing at the end of the credits? A rebellion by a lower level dev going against their wishes?
Zack is alive though
It's going to be hilarious when at the end they resolve everything with: it was all just in Cloud's head.
>actually missing the point that the remake trilogy is aiming at the lack of acceptance of loss, just like what cloud is experiencing with both zack and aerith
what frick was the point then? Should of just actually did a real remake instead of this dumb shit
>entire first game revolves around "we can defy fate" and there are time jannies who are supposed to keep fate the same everywhere
>we kill those
>then we see an alternate timeline where Zack lives
>through the second game we keep jumping to alternate timelines more and more the closer we get to the end
>NONONONONOO NONE OF THAT HAPPENED
It already meaningfully changed from the OG story.
I think this is a case of unfortunate translation or misunderstanding, because it's obvious what they mean is that the remake games will follow the same major beats and locations, but will still be contextually different with some very different scenarios, but ultimately still recognizable.
Aerith being dead is hardly indicative of "no changes" since the context is different. That's just some weird Aerith shipping shit that's been cropping up for a few weeks, ignore that crap.
>I think this is a case of unfortunate translation or misunderstanding
Or you're just moronic because OP's pic and link don't actually say what he's quoting
Pretty much.
Shippers ruin everything.
This is the most likely explanation.
The story is already fundamentally changed.
anyone else find it suspicious that they refuse to talk about Cloti?
Is the broad scope of the story really different though? Sure the details are but...
I can't believe there are people out there that needed to the devs to confirm this.
shippers dude
considering how many people don't want to play the fricking game because they think it's a comp sequel instead of a rewrite made for the compilation they probably should have been less obtuse about it
I wrote the whole thing off when they pussied out on Cloud beating the shit out of Aerith and Dyne killing himself.
I can’t believe there’s people falling for this obvious misdirect from the devs.
None of the new shit added in Remake was any good. Hell, it was so fricking bad that it completely turned me off from rest of this shit.
Instead of buying Remake and spending 30 hours of my time on something that left me feeling annoyed, I should have just rewatched Advent Children, looked at the credits and realized that whole thing was doomed.
HAHAHAHAHAHHA HOPEgayS, WHERE YOU AT?? Imagine thinking that slandering Tifa, a woman who would go to the ends of the earth for Cloud, who nursed him back to health and sanity, that remained PURE, VIRGIN and CAPABLE for him despite being able to have anything and anyone she wanted would ever make your flower-selling, slums dwellers' cum-filled bloated corpse EVER be revived or WORTHY of Cloud. There is nothing more cucked than being an Aerithtroony ( who had an ex boyfriend she STILL obsesses over and compares you to in your face all the time).
WHAT WAS THE FRICKING POINT OF ALL THE DOGSHIT CHANGES THEN
I DIDNT WANT RO FIGHT SEPHIROTH AT THE END OF REMAKE OR SEE TIME JANNIES
STOP BRINGING ALL THE NONSENSICAL MEMEPILATION TRASH BECAUSE YOU moronS CANT GET OVER WASTING MONEY ON THE MOVIES
If they were set on having the first part end with leaving Midgar and wanted some cool anime fight at the climax, one way they could they could've done it was with Roche.
He finds out that Avalance is about to leave Midgar, so he goes to Hojo and demands to get pumped full of Soldier Juice. Hojo obliges because he thinks it'd be funny, and then Roche rushes after Cloud to have final battle with his "rival."
Of course for this to be effective, they would've had to actually fricking built Roche as character through the game, to establish rivalry between him and Cloud. But I would have much rather had that than fricking Sephiroth scenes all over the place. And out of all the Nomura OCs in Remake, Roche was the least bad. I can actually buy one of the Soldiers being a motorbike obsessed weirdo.
See
That doesn't really answer my fricking question...
It tells you nothing is decided for the end. I.e. ending won’t just be the same.
That's gay
that image doesnt answer anything
See
But didn't the OG link up with AA?
Well duh. Remake trilogy is a retelling. That's what the devs say.
The problem with this logic of touching on everything is that original FF7 is the only part of the setting that is actually good, and rest is kind of shit.
Yes, that shit still made money, but purely due to association with FF7.
Okay
is it a retelling or is nothing meaningfully changing???
Retelling that keeps all major plot points intact. Just like CC
People seem to forget the creative director of this remake did the scenario for KH3. The writing has been on the wall since part 1. Some just still aren’t ready to see it yet.
This game was such a missed opportunity, it's actually sad and upsetting, I was really hoping for something else. Hell, even sephiroth joining the party, to defeat a bigger threat, aerith lives and tifa dies or cloud dies or something, but ultimately the tofu eating homosexuals got it wrong.
THEN WHAT THE FRICK WAS THE POINT OF THE TIME JANITORS?????????
>it wont meaningfully change
>a literal world war in part 3 where deepground morons get dropped into wutai
So are the angry spooks floating under the Cosmo Canyon going to be ignored, or will they be welcomed into the Lifestream even though they are evil aliens like Jenova?
That plotline is a big alteration to the OG, and there really isn't much in the way of resolving it since they are immortal.
FF7 was always bad. This is just more of the same.
Wrong. OG is a solid RPG with a god-tier amount of money put into its graphics and systems
Everything after that has been SHIT because Nomura's homoerotic tendencies and the ilk that stuck around cannot help but try ot mar something that was lightning in a bottle.
>og is a solid rpg
It was already known the story would change nothing, go nowhere and ultimately keep the status quo so gaiagays with arrested development could seal clap whenever they see zack on the screen for another 20 years, but I didn't think they would be this spineless.
FF7R would have been split into multiple parts, even if SE wanted to make a faithful OG remake.
FF7R was cursed to sell less and less as each part was released.
>be KHgay
>mfw watching FF7gays fall for Nomura's bullshit
Motherfrickers will learn.
>No Princess Guard yet
>No Great Gospel yet
She'll be back in part 3.
Rebirthsissies have yet to refute this when they pretend she died in their fanfic game.
nobody that actually played rebirth and paid attention thinks she's actually gonna stay dead though other than Tifagays and muh lifestream copers
No dummy
Shes alive
This new sequel trilogy has been a huge waste of money and time so far.
Aerith is alive, cope more tifkeks. Story is already written btw
Cloud created a world where she lived
You have to be double digit to not get this
Is this world he created in the room with us right now?
It's in my basement actually
interesting that he uses Sephiroths whispers to open the portal to aerith
Sephiroth got btfo as usual
he couldn't merge the timelines and now he has an alive aerith to worry about
Lifestream Aerith was always around
yep, but an alt world aerith wasn't. I wonder what it means for sephy, he clearly tried merging the worlds together (why?) but was stopped.
It's bizzare writing
Um, the one fighting Sephiroth was the lifestream one. She's the only useful Aerith.
Yes that's true. I'm talking about something else
What two worlds did sephiroth try to merge? What created the two worlds? Hmmm
Nothing because that was an illusion. All that is to just instill in Cloud the delusion that he saved her. In the end only the lifestream Aerith can do anything in stopping Sephiroth and Holy has already been cast.
ah okay so sephiroth throwing zack into a different world while a rainbow effect is shown is just an illusion too huh
you aren't making sense
Zack is already in the lifestream, same as Aerith. They're both dead. They can continue to create more branches in the lifestream but they're still in the lifestream.
Sephiroth literally split the worlds away again. Play the game or claim it's an illusion I guess
A world where only Aerith is in there? Sounds like a she got isekai'd
ultimania said he tried merging two worlds. No illusion so tell me what happened
The worlds he showed to Cloud are only the Zack worlds. Plus Ultimania never showed there is another timeline beyond the 6 plus an unknown one Zack (shibaverse) is in
see
What? That's lifestream Aerith
so what worlds did sephiroth try to merge and was prevented?
Zack's worlds. The worlds shown to Cloud in game and confirmed in Ultimania
you are braindead
You are even more braindead to think there's a new timeline where only Aerith is in, no party, no Cloud, no nothing. And not even an option in Ultimania.
play the game. see the sequence of events from the time sephiroth speaks to cloud and shows him the true nature of reality.
It's so painfuly obvious what happened, I don't know if you are obtuse or in denial but he clearly created another world when he blocked sephiroth
Yeah, I see static effect to remove Aerith's blood from Cloud's vision
He’s trolling you. The OP is from some literal who site that’s completely unsourced. This is a shitpost troll thread
So where's the REAL Ultimania sauce, then?
meant corgiverse Zack
Because [SPOILER]REUNION[/SPOILER]
Another one's of Cloud's stable 'creations' and totally not another trauma induced delusion. He's just grinning in the epilogue because of how much fun he was having with Aerith.
>new tifkek copium is just claim everything is an illusion
>A saw what you did back there, Cloud
wtf is there a war between time jannies happening? Or are the different colored jannies just a lighting error?
White whispers are Aeris controlled and the black ones are Sephiroth controlled
That "world" was already reabsorbed back into the Lifestream you dumbass ape. It doesn't exist. She is dead. She's dead. Get over it, she's fricking dead. Holy frick shippers are completely god damn insane.
I'm just got to the Forgotten Capital. How many hours do I have left?
Calling all Rebirth enjoyers. Do you actually like the story? I know you will discuss whatever world Zack is in, timelines, dimensions or whatever. But do you like that? Is it just that it's the lore and you must discuss it? Do you think it adds anything to the story? My mind is bottling, and I just need to know.
No they don't. The only arguments I've heard when I asked them was "why would you want it to be the same? It would have been boring that way" and "the story is good because it drives discussion." No one can actually defend the story's merits, just that it will all make sense in Part 3.
JIMBO 12 O'CLOCK
>FF7 will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
The frick is the point of the time jannies and the multiverse then?
>story is the same guyz
sure buddy just throw in 1000 red herrings I guess
My girl with the metal boobie armor is alive and that's all that matters.
she is the only one that is 100% confirmed dead
No one cares. Game flopped and Part 3 will bomb.
some irrefutable facts:
I saved her
You sure did, congrats Cloud
Despite SOLDIER cell degradation and carrying that bum Zack who can't even handle a little dip in the river. How does he do it?
Being schizo/autist is literally power in FF as a whole. It's all got to do with memories and feelings, that's why Cloud's Limits are stronger than any other's.
Sephiroth is cruel
Nomura? More like please, no more
>fill out the story with fluff and chores
>no significant change
Checks out
So who did Aerith really wanna frick in the end? Cloud or Zack?
the MC
She isn't dead in any real sense of the word. Sephiroth wouldn't say he underestimated her if all she did was die like she usually did, and her consoling Cloud was hardly worthy of Sephiroth saying that. I think what happened was Cloud really did save her, but Sephiroth merged her with a timeline where she "dies", but she manages to delay it fully happening in the until the Jenova fight ends. Hence the white timejannies that are there the whole time. She's either able to wander now between the worlds or is stuck in some kind of limbo.
The real question is how does the Sephiroth who's in the North Crater in Rebirth's world feel about this OG Sephiroth fricking shit up. An unexpected ally? 😡
Dropped
Time to tell him I'm not buying the rest of the games now because he spoiled it for me.
I love my wife Aerith
We don't even know what world cloud is in
>we don't want to change the story
>but add giant in your face ghost storms everywhere
>add Sephiroth popping up in your face every 3 fricking seconds
>add alternate reality Zack surviving
>also add alternate reality everyone else but kill them all for the lulz
>also make 1 dude survive the plate fall, by pulling him into an alt reality, just to kill him there anyway
>nearly kill Barret but add time ghosts unkilling him
>add wacky wahoo motorcycle man
>add Aerith knowing the whole plot of the game
>add Sephiroth literally pulling a fricking JoJo KING CRIMSON to kill Aeris after you save her through dimensional skip and merge bullshit
Yeah, nah, these talentless fricks are full of shit. They're writing raw fanfic tier garbage to "improve" a story. They've George Lucas'd this shit beyond repair.
They didn't "improve" the story.
They just want to save Aerith this time.
They didn't even do that though. They changed a ton of shit to make the game worse in every possible way, yet also kept all of the shit no one liked in the first game. It's actually impressive they shit everything up so thoroughly.
Hispanic monkey, I need a slave. Find 666 somewhere in one of your asiatic games and tell me where. Im sure it's in final fantasy 7, that was a big game in hell. Satan made it I'm pretty sure, that's what this will prove. I have a very sincere request which I'll be making in 26 years from now. I've released 18 silver chariots being pulled by evil into this thread. They're racing.
No anon you don't understand, the main plot points are still the same!
>people say they already changed so much
>get 1 liner responses: uhhmmm akkshullyyy it's the same!
>write out a post describing many changes
>no one bothers to respond
redditbirth homosexuals are in denial. SE doesn't give a frick about FF7, they just want whatever makes the most money. They are literally Blizzard of Japan now and only care about making shareholders happy.
>"if I turn myself into Lightning, then my waifu Lightning can make out with me while I'm also Lightning and we'll be two Lightnings making out, and that's the most important thing I can imagine", Mr. Toriyama said, looking visibly deranged.
Yuffie x Cloud = real end game for Part 3.
I wonder how Jimbo’s girlfriend is doing. He must not have had much time to spend with her since he’s been having a hysterical conniption over Rebirth everyday for the last two months straight
Likely Climhazzard her when she said she liked 7R+B. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
You know what I liked about ogff7? You didn’t need the devs to spell out exactly wtf happened because the story wasn’t purposely written in the most moronic way possible.
does anyone else get some serious "incel" vibes from Vincent?
For me, it's the part in Remake in the lab underneath the slums where it's so blatantly obvious they deeply want the game to be Resident Evil and they give you Barret to play and shoot things with in third person, and then later on spending 3 hours in Hojo's lab in another Resident Evil section. It clicks and makes so much sense why the tone and plot changes and additions are there when you realize they want this game to be Resident Evil.
History homies can't do anything right
Aerith will stay dead after 30 years
KWAB
So since Dirge of Cerberus is canon what is Genesis up to
Reviving Angeal probably
Serious answer: working on fixing Sephiroth's brain problems. Sephiroth is fixated on Cloud because Cloud's memory keeps him as the strong independent Jenova freak that he wants to be. OO has now stated than Angeal and Genesis getting involved would destabilize his new persona because they know him far more intimately than anyone else.
Zissnei!
you think she'll tell him her real name?
Whats with the delusional Cloti threads at very specific and consistent times of the day? Really makes you wonder
>if Aerith lives, they get btfo'd because she's still around Cloud and the devs have made very clear who they favor
>if Aerith dies, they still get btfo'd because their prostitute doormat can't even win against a literal corpse
Even though I think it's to much autism, I understand their nuclear seething
I guess I'll be the first one to actually post cute and canon cloti itt
uh oh, the Clotard is here
If they wanted Aerith to live, all they had to do is just never have her go to the Forgotten City by herself, which was kinda dumb to begin with. You have to drastically change the next part of the history, but if that's what you want to do to have a happy ending, just fricking do it.
Even have the characters waking up and seeing her trying to leave alove be like:
>"Yo Aerith, what the frick, you're some supportive white mage chick, what are you doing going to face Sephiroth by himself? You'll just end up being hurt...or worse. Have you seem how long his sword is?"
There, you even threw a moron allusion to the OG so morons who love rewrites and bland stories where nothing bad happens to the party think it's clever.
pretty much this.
Thanks, SE you morons, now I'll have to agree with the fricking purists, hope you're fricking happy.
In the OG, it seems to me that Aerith's life was in danger if she stayed with Cloud, because he was remote-controlled by Sephiroth, so her only option was to go there alone.
>Life was in danger if she stayed with Cloud
I agree with that impression
>so her only option was to go there alone
I disagree with this. If the writer veemently wants to change events for her to live, split the party. Some people stay to take care of Cloud, some accompany Aerith.
I agree with you, but at this point we are criticizing not just Rebirth, but also OG FF7.
I mean, how else should they push the drama?
I can live with OG Aerith's decision being stupid because they wanted her to die to move the story foward in that direction. It's a narrative decision.
My point is, if the writers don't want to take the story into that dramatic narrative direction, they don't need to introduce a convoluted parallel dimension, they just need to add some social link mechanic and if Aerith caps with I don't know, three other characters, they are worried about what she might do after Cloud beats the shit out of her and stalk her the night after, catching her before she leaves and preventing her death.
It's not like the cross dimensional parry pushed the drama anyway.
this is why I laugh when they say the OG was good and Re games are bad, moronic shit was baked into the story from the start but nostalgia really makes people blind.
The OG was a masterpiece. Sometimes characters in a story do things that in retrospect look dumb because you look at it with hindsight.
Aerith was just some flower girl from the slums, she really didn't think Sephiroth would find her and gut her, she thought she was just gonna pray and come back smiling and being quirky.
She thought Cloud was the most threatning thing to her at that point, so she left without him.
>She thought Cloud was the most threatning thing to her at that point, so she left without him.
no, she was trying to protect him, all of them, by stopping his plans without really thinking things through.
Anyway, my point is that both stories have moronic shit in the but only one gets blasted all the time and that's fricking hilariously ridiculous.
This is the thing though, they had the opportunity to fix the flaws of the OG. It wasn't a perfect story. Instead we got something worse while people still vehemently defend changes they don't even like.
she would've been safe with the group because everyone else would've tried to stop Cloud, going off alone to the temple when Sephiroth knows they're trying to stop him was not a very bright move.
It's fricking moronic of them to make the story almost entirely the same as the original but more convoluted and stupid.
After Remake they should have just made Rebirth a wildly different story/game.
why do people even want Cloud and Tifa together anyways?
Both characters are hot so hot couple. Cloud self-inserters wanting the hot girl or just Tifagays wanting to win. They're a fricking mess
cloud isnt hot
you're right, he's gorgeous
Was I the only one that thought he looked like Lightning here?
probably, yeah.
Osananajimi
Crazy sexual tension
>If I was in your shoes? I woulda been up here all the time.
Aerith definitely wants to frick Tifa.
Well because Tifa is the reason Cloud started this journey in the first place. Both were children when their journeys started and their attraction was very surface level but the foundation was there for something to blossom. Really it was held back by the passive nature of 90s JRPG party members. If the player never used Tifa then the good moments don't hit has hard as they need to. So Remake is/ was the opportunity to make it into a slam dunk.
>If the player never used Tifa then the good moments don't hit has hard as they need to. So Remake is/ was the opportunity to make it into a slam dunk.
People need more of a good moment than everything that happens at Mideel?
Her showing all that devotion to helping Cloud get better and helping him put himself back together again at his darkest hour is a GOAT scene and it alone is enough to make them a really really cute couple.
So I need it? No. Is it nice to have it? Absolutely. For much of disc 1 and 2, Tifa is a ball of anxiety when it comes to Cloud. Between just wondering what his problem is in Midgar, to questioning if he's even the real Cloud in Cosmo Canyon, to understanding that he's truly damaged by the Northern Crater. So having more good moments where Cloud and Tifa can just care for each other or even have fun together is nice to have. And at least shows how they function together when not wading through the worst traumas of their lives
Having extra scenes of them being happy and cute together is really nice, I just meant more that I think the mandatory story moments of VII already sell Cloud + Tifa really well even if you don't really keep her in party, I don't think they feel very forced if you never have her, for example
Cloud and Tifa are just 2 dorks with a similar personality
Tifa looks made her act like a stacy but she was always shy and liked the weird boy
Cloud is another dork who is also larping as a chad
This is why both are so weird with each other kek
They focused so much in being different people they almost lost their real selves
This all could have been avoided with a nice and simple remake of the game of the same kind that Square has done maybe a dozen times before to a ton of her other games, but noooooooooo.
Sephiroth killed her
in the og timeline
Trust the plan. It will be worth in the end.
>It was always bad
The last resort of shills
THEN WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST STICK TO THE ORIGINAL STORY GOD FRICKING DAAAAAAAAAAMN
Because this way they can make everyone mad. Ebin trole.
I'd rather be somewhat surprised than have the exact same shit going on
frick off
I'd rather have the exact same story in better graphics and better gameplay so I can share with people who aren't "retro gamers"
frick off
Because the story is different and Zack and Aerith are alive
I love Aerith
we know, Cloud
why did FF16 get a spanish dub but not FF7?
Now it makes all those changes seem kind of pointless. Might as well just make a straight up remake like people wanted.
>FF7 will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
They've been saying this for years.
and they still didn't change a lot. All you saw was mostly happening behind curtains. The main things are still all the same as in og
What a monkey's paw this entire remake project has been yeesh
It has more soul than the og and way better characters. Not to forget the fricking top notch combat. We can argue about 2-3 scenes in the OG being better but man stop kidding yourself
Get better bait.
S'pretty much how I've felt recently when thinking about it. Funny that people blame the PS5's price for the supposed low sales when the fact is it's not a faithful remake but a sequel, because if it were, gays would've bought the shit console in droves.
*if it were the former
I really want to know why no one told the morons writing this a stealth multi dimensional sequel filled with time ghosts and Sephiroth doing his best Poochi impression and the main girl winking at the camera constantly about her impending death that this was the stupidest shit they have ever heard and all of them need to go get fricked.
Pretentious ideals from the devs as well as Sqeenix thinking they could milk 7 again with nostalgia and side material. They want their Nier cake and eat it too.
The people responsible have seniority so everyone else is obliged to just smile and nod at all their stupid ideas.
>people who wanted a remake of VII with maybe a few extra quality passes on the turn-based combat/balance were shafted first
>everybody laughed at them and told them to frick off on the basis of "frick what you want, the game you wanted was butchered to appeal to me more and that's a good thing, frick you, got mine"
>in the literal better part of a fricking DECADE since, more and more scores of those people have found that they're in the exact same boat of being fricked over as the people they were laughing at.
My wiener has been nonstop so fricking hard for the past 4 years out of schadenfreude alone holy shit.
This is the best summation of this entire travesty I've ever read. Every single butthole strawmanning that OG players just wanted a 1:1 remake rather than just an updated recreation of FF7 now has to deal with the same bad faith criticism that OG players dealt with after part 1. And the only thing that sucks is that I know they were never really invested, they were just chaosgays wanting to watch FF7 burn. So now that FF7 is burning they can just walk away without caring nearly as much as the people who have been waiting for this game for nearly 30 years.
>strawmanning
I wouldn't even say it was that, but more just misrepresenting the complaints from fans that didn't like where 7R was going narratively. In my experience outside Ganker, it just seems to be consoomers and Devil's Advocates essentially telling people to just shut up and stop drawing comparisons.
Okay, so either
>A
>This is desperate backpedaling from Square Eunuchs to save the studio from bankruptcy (would explain why they relied more on ESG to keep afloat) and curbing homiejima’s moronation
Or
>B
>This was the plan all along and they were genuinely stupid enough to try to satisfy OG fans who wanted the same game and NG fans who wanted something different
I don’t know which is worse
It’s
>C
>bullshit article with zero sources made up by a nobody clickbait website over a month ago spammed by some mentally ill shitposter intentionally to ruin discussion over the game
It’s neither. The ultimania does the same thing the devs do constantly. Giving both sides something to latch on to until the end. Nowhere in the article does it even confirm Aerith’s death, that’s OP’s bait.
She's at least dead in beagleverse and they buried her. And the Aerith you fight with was lifestream Aerith.
That’s what I think too, but either way they’ve left it open to an extent that her fate remains a topic and a hook for the last game. That’s why no interview nor trailer will confirm frick all.
So all that's left for interpretation is who's the Aerith at the ending that the party cannot see. And the other question of can people really be revived after they died. Of course we need to factor in how the devs said they will just follow the original plot
Yeah but at the same time they keep whining about a full happy end and how the “ending is not set in stone”. That’s what I’m saying, they’re always feeding something to whatever side you’re on, but that also makes it impossible for any single quote to be taken as complete fact.
The best you can hope for that doesn't contradict what they said about Compilation continuity is alternate timelines.
AC is prequel, that's the only link
They said AC comes after Remake.
And just think. You need a timeline reset after DoC. Lifestream Aerith already exist but somehow there's another Aerith who was born who must also come from the same lifestream
they didn't say that. They said it will link up that's all
We already see AC visions in remake, it's the future "if we fail here today"
See
I saw that 1000 times, it says what I said it does. explain how we are seeing AC visions in remake.
We don't. And it says there's not gonna be any wild changes that won't lead to AC in the end.
And please explain your grand theory of the timeline reset after DoC
>we don't
ah so you are straight up trolling ok
Show me
maybe click the link I posted
The Red scene? That's from OG. How about showing Geostigma and Kadaj? And Weiss and Deepground war?
no red scene is directly from AC movie. Infact all the scenes are literally clips from the AC movie
I guess I'll post it then sigh
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Now tell me, why didn't they see a vision of Geostigma?
>We see this scene but why not THIS scene
gee I don't know moron-kun. Maybe they should have just shown the entire movie?
All those scenes don't actually happen in AC. What happened in AC was Geostigma and Reunion. Plus the Deepground war in DoC was a much bigger shit than even Geostigma
AC literally opens on the Red scene. Part of the same canon, part of the same end they want to defy.
And then the scene with Aerith dying? It happened in Rebirth.
it happened in OG
So was the rest of those visions. We already know one actually happened in Rebirth. Those are just visions of OG
AC is canon to VII. Meaning if they see the 500 year later scene as a bad end, AC is part of that bad end. Very simple.
I don’t need to “hope” for that. I prefer Aerith died because it’s more impactful to the story. I just know better after all these other games these people have been involved in.
No. It was OG Aerith that was buried, while our Aerith survived.
They buried her in beagleverse. That's the scene where the party is by the water at the temple. It's in Ultimania.
Best girl
This just shows how much Tifa's face improve if they gave her back her light Brown eyes instead of being just black
>and that FF7 will not meaningfully change from the original FF7 story
bro he's like 10 years late they already deviated like frick from the original story fricking high ass boomer should FRICK OFF AND RETIRE
Who. The hell. Cares.
At this point it'd be absurd if they don't deviate from the original. First, it's a goddamn stealth sequel, not a remake and the game hammers you over the head with that fact the second you saw the jannies for the first time. Second, they made so many changes, major and incidental, and left so many breadcrumbs that some major shit is going down that IF they decide to end it the same as the OG ending it would turn the Remake trilogy into the longest and most expensive shaggy dog story ever. It would be cosmically moronic. It would be Mass Effect 3's ending times 1000.
Can anyone tell me which novels are canon and roughly what they're about?
The only way she could have known this is either straight from Tifa or Aerith spilled the beans
why would tifa tell that to yuffie?
It's mandatory for girls to tell other girls who they have hots for
Exactly. So it's Aerith then
>Tifa said
That's a whole different account from a different person
no
Yes. Aerith knows about Tifa's love. Separately Tifa told Yuffie about her coming to Midgar. Otherwise she would've said I heard from Tifa that she had a crush on you.
>she would've said I heard from Tifa that she had a crush on you.
that's too direct. everyone that is not autistic knows you would never rat out your friend like that
And another point is she wouldn't tell Yuffie. She only told Aerith because she asked and probably told her about Zack after Tifa told her the real Nibelheim story.
Based on the dialogue, it seems that Yuffie has been informed by Tifa herself. The phrases “I also heard” and “Tifa said” suggest that Tifa is the source of the information Yuffie is sharing with Cloud. It’s a common narrative technique to use a character like Yuffie to reveal background details and relationships between other characters, in this case, Tifa’s past feelings for Cloud. This method of storytelling helps to build the world and character dynamics without direct exposition from the main characters involved.
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What we actually know is Aerith knows. We don't know that Yuffie knows.
Im kinda sad. I thought I wanted them to stick with the original plot but now I just want Aerith to live. Guess its too late. I was crying during the ending
I want a happy ending for everyone, I also want hard mode to be even harder and a superboss that filters millions. I don't know what changes they're going to make, but I'm really looking forward to Cloud breakdown and Tifa's lifestream segment. Also hope Sephiroth doesn't just ignore Cloud after he gets the black materia.
is Zack an incel?
No.
I saved her this time.
Turns out it was actually a remake ! !
Nomura fooled everyone ! ! ! !11 !
Aerith is alive and well
Hope you’re right
So, they were so scared of the backlash that they practically went back on doing something new and original?
Should have just make it a 1:1 remake then.
they've been saying the game won't drastically change since the beginning
What does it matter whether Aeris is dead or not?
This fricking game makes you trudge through a sea of nonsense and confusion where anything could change at the drop of the dice and your takeaway is "yeah but is Aerith ACTUALLY dead?"
It's already over, none of this matters. You'll enjoy the wild ride up until the end of the game, and in a couple of years you'll admit that while it was fun in the moment it was just a stupid mess that ruined everything. It's like somebody shreds a $ 100 bill, and all you can do is latch onto the bit that has the number "100" on it thinking that as long as that bit is intact you can still spend it.
Genuinely fricking moronic, incompetent clowns
>nooo it's a reimagining look multiverse different worlds different timelines changing entire geography of the world changing scenes everywhere, entirety of sector 7's population survives, biggs/jessie etc survive, deepground active in midgar already, ruined dynes scene and character, already fought or spoken with sephiroth 17 times by the time you leave midgar
>we only wanted to remake it if we were going to do something different just a straight remake was not something we wanted to do
but also
>noooo it's following the original story it's not deviating significantly despite the fact it has already deviated significantly with stupid shit constantly it's just meant to be a remake of the original
What a fricking disaster these idiots have made
cute and canon
Aerith is going to remain dead in the "main" timeline but is going to be alive with Zack in a different timeline. It'll be her, not some lifestream ghost Cloud talks to in Advent Children so it can be the exact same but with a forced happy ending where both are alive but just can't meaningfully interact with them.
>some fans thought her fate might change due to the party breaking the walls of fate
Well yeah. Why would you make a remake of a game only to throw in some shit about "breaking fate" if you aren't going to meaningfully change anything? Kitase is a brainlet, can't really blame Nomura for this because he allegedly just wanted a normal remake.
Thankfully Kitase BTFO Nomura for wanting a 1:1 retread of exactly what we've all played a million times before and gave us something new
Except it's not actually new. It's pointless schizo timeline stuff that does nothing but make the stuff from the original worse. It won't lead to anything cool and new, it still leads to fricking Advent Children.
>and gave us something new
i don't want anything new that's bad, moron. if you can't make it good, don't make anything new, it's real simple
a 1:1 remake is, theoretically because modern devs are incompetent, something you should not be able to frick up or ruin.
FF was ALWAYS kingdom hearts!
Anyway here's my 12 hour lore breakdown video explaining how the seven alternate dimensions in FFVIIR work.
Would've been another great moment in gaming history if they allowed all those grieving OG gamers to finally save Aerith. The world would've rejoiced.
Whatever.
...Whatever indeed
At least 8gays can rest easy knowing Square won't shit on their Final Fantasy while 7gays will continue to be raped till the end of time.
Aerith will survive for mainly gameplay reasons. Reunion will have 11 playable characters.
Cloud, Barrett, Red XIII, Tifa, Aerith, Yuffie, Cait Sith, Zack, Vincent, Sephiroth, Genesis
Speaking of Genesis, was it ever addressed what his funky materia was? It seems dark purple or black depending on the lighting and apparently it gave him some Cetra magic enchantment ability.
If you were tasked to "remake" FF7 but has to be different enough to barely qualify as one, how would you approach it?
I'd make Remake/Rebirth but without the time janny/multiverse shit. Whispers can appear but only as Weapons following Sephiroth around. Zack from another world gone. Gongaga segment stays. Etc.
What was his problem
literally clouds hair
not even subtle
Good. She's as dead as the game is in terms of sales.
Is the FF9 Remake going to be as much of a mess as this or are they going to try and keep it faithful to the original?
The only changes I'd want from a remake of 9 (beyond not having the combat be so fricking slow) is making it so Freya just has absolutely nothing going on after the rats get nuked and either make the flaming homosexual Amarant actually interesting or delete him from the game. They're clearly willing to rework characters since they ruined Cid in Rebirth but Amarant is already shit.
I fricked up, I meant for Freya to actually have stuff to do after the rats.
I'm going to bed.
Can't trust SE to handle another remake after this shit.
Much more simple and faithful.
Probably be announced next year because it'll be the games 25th anniversary.
Could also see reveal this year, then release next year for the 25th. SE has a too much of a dry spell otherwise.
It has to be completly faithful or it's fricked, I don't even trust Square with minor story changes
Like 9 is nowhere near 7 level of wankery from the public so i cant see them taking much risk there
Some better setup for the third act would be appreciated. They don't really have to change anything major to slip some follow-through material into the script/world-building.
Why does anyone care about the questions posed by the end of rebirth? They’ll retcon most of it anyways. They retconned Aerith knowing the future at the end of Remake (“ohh I don’t really remember what happened on the midgar highway, tee hee”)
ff7 is one moronic franchise
we need a betting sites to catch up and allow us to make bets on how will they monetize her resurrection in the next part.
there is so much money to make!
will it be DLC? preorder bonus? battlepass reward? exclusive for epic store/ps+? exclusive for people owning all 3 collectors editions of the remake trilogy?
so many possibilities!
Went back to play the FF16 dlc after beating Rebirth. I was disappointed in FF16 when it launched but now, after slogging through Rebirth, I actually like it a lot more.
She's alive
I saved her
I saved what I cherish most
Cloti sex
guys, do you think they are playing with us?
so in remake, we thought that it will be the same as original, but yet they changed it near the end
in rebirth, we thought they gonna make us believe that cloud will be able to save aerith, but then she is still dead dead.
in return/part 3, my theory is they gonna be like remake again, so because in rebirth nothing has changed, then in part 3, they need to fool us again thinking nothing is going to change, but then they gonna change the story.
she is alive so that logic doesn't work