Because they'd get 30% off every single software sale and microtransaction on Windows if they controlled the software distribution through their store.
I legitimately don't know any other Android storefronts other than Google Play. I don't think APKPure counts because it just rips from other places and you can't even d microtransactions though it afaik. I don't think FDroid is a storefront either.
Does Fdroid actually sell anything? I have it installed, but afaik they don't actually sell anything, which is why I said "I don't think it's a storefront".
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You can download app that have premium features. They might take a cut but they don't sell anything. Its more of a store that has apps that align with its values ie no crazy tracking the user
Because as a publicly traded corporation they have a legal responsibility to deliver results to the stakeholders. If they fail to do so, they can be sued for it.
Disney told investors to frick off so idk about that one bud. They lost over a billion dollars. Only thing to come out of it is a hostile takeover that is in the works
Which may very well be why they will ultimately sell off or spin off the consumer-facing portions of the business to some other entity and allow them to fail.
Xbox, Windows Home, win32 compatibility, DirectX, all of these are drains on their bottom line and it isn't clear how they will turn it around.
A future even more profitable version of Microsoft will probably offer hosted virtualized legacy compatibility solutions running remotely in a datacenter as a subscription service to their paying customers.
There have almost certainly been discussions within Microsoft about why they spend billions maintaining their legacy compatibility layer, when it doesn't deliver any better results than Wine, or the NT kernel when it is far behind the Linux kernel in every performance metric.
Keeping his business model viable long-term. Valve essentially took the business plan that Microsoft had and implemented it first, since they weren't restricted to console gens or Windows versions.
They want to be the middle-men for everything.
Because they'd get 30% off every single software sale and microtransaction on Windows if they controlled the software distribution through their store.
>30%
They'd be able to charge any percentage they wanted.
He saw a market opportunity in Linux and took it. It paid off, Gaben has insane prominence in the Linux space now.
I'll give it a few years before Linuxgays turn on him though. He basically proved once again that you need a financially strong, coordinated backing to make a major leap like this and it takes away from the Linux fantasy that the big bad ebil corporations can be taken down by random fat morons on their spare time.
The monolithic nature of Steam is kind of terrible, especially since it's Chromium webshit.
>He basically proved once again that you need a financially strong, coordinated backing to make a major leap like this and it takes away from the Linux fantasy that the big bad ebil corporations can be taken down by random fat morons on their spare time.
You're out of the loop anon. Nothing in open source world is being made without big corpo behind the development now. Stallman lost the battle long ago.
As long as the big corpo doesn't subvert it into a system of mutual sabotage and market conspiracy it's fine. FOSS was always going to move forward whenever some corporation needed a tool to do a job and customized and extended something that necessitated them contributing back to the project, that's the big advantage of GPL shit.
So to understand that it is important to know how Microsoft does business and enforces their dominance within the desktop niche. In the old days, Microsoft would just straight up tell OEMs they could only ship Windows on their hardware, but that obviously got them in trouble with anti-trust regulators. Around the time the Steam Machines were on the market Microsoft had hit on a new scheme where they used patent licenses to essentially force OEMs to only ship Windows (which bundled the license), or to pay more money for a stand-alone patent when they shipped something else.
Valve obviously sees this as a major conflict of interest because it drives up the cost of PC gaming, and allows Microsoft to position the walled garden Xbox ecosystem as a more affordable point of entry. With the concern over the fact that Microsoft straight up told Gaben to his face that their plan was to ultimately make Steam no longer function by bringing the walled garden to Windows, Valve needed to get Steam moving outside of Microsoft's threatened walled garden.
It seems like the intent with Steam Machines was to try to find a loophole in that OEM license, where a system hooked up to a TV and using a Gamepad for input might not fall afoul of the license terms, but Microsoft pressured companies like Dell whether they really wanted to try that, and Dell of course knuckled under, started shipping Windows on the Steam Machine hardware, and discontinued the product.
SteamDeck is yet another attempt to do basically the same thing. More of Microsoft's patent portfolio has expired since the Steam Machines, the Oracle v Google decision protects compatibility layers that re-implement a public API, and Microsoft's licensing terms have often had carve-outs for devices with screens under a certain size. Plus of course Valve isn't a Windows OEM so they didn't since Microsoft's contracts which is what gave Microsoft all the power to block the earlier versions of SteamOS.
>Patents remain horrible
Because as a publicly traded corporation they have a legal responsibility to deliver results to the stakeholders. If they fail to do so, they can be sued for it.
Dodge v Ford should be repealed, frick ~~*shareholders*~~.
That doesn't really matter. The goal is to have the default store. I am pretty sure you don't need to be a rocket surgeon to figure out that even on Android the Play Store gets the majority of all revenue generated on the Android platform.
>Stopping microsoft from becoming the only store for PC. >Everyone b***hes about Valve having a monopoly >Gay Ben was fighting one of the biggest monopolies of all time
bitches about Valve having a monopoly
"everyone" are paid shills and usefuli idiots that push that narrative to stop the only big company that doesn't actively shit on its costumers
He saw a market opportunity in Linux and took it. It paid off, Gaben has insane prominence in the Linux space now.
I'll give it a few years before Linuxgays turn on him though. He basically proved once again that you need a financially strong, coordinated backing to make a major leap like this and it takes away from the Linux fantasy that the big bad ebil corporations can be taken down by random fat morons on their spare time.
>He basically proved once again that you need a financially strong, coordinated backing to make a major leap like this and it takes away from the Linux fantasy that the big bad ebil corporations can be taken down by random fat morons on their spare time.
You're out of the loop anon. Nothing in open source world is being made without big corpo behind the development now. Stallman lost the battle long ago.
>He basically proved once again that you need a financially strong, coordinated backing to make a major leap like this
That's not really true, what you need is vision and motivation. Valve had a vision for Linux (use on their "gaming console") and motivation (Windows Store) so they worked toward that goal. If a group of fat neckbeards got the same vision and motivation, they could have done it too. However Linux community is fairly small and they have values that conflict with working toward certain goals such as gaming or desktop Linux, so the drive toward making Linux a gaming OS was always lacking in the absence of Valve.
With big corpos motivation is easier to find than with neckbeards, currency. Currency is plentiful. Infinite you could say.
A good evidence for your point is emulators.
They're not written by big corporations, but there is a clear motivation and vision (running games of other consoles for free), so they do much better than something like a clone of a windows software etc..
The Linux fantasy was always that, by writing good and standards-compliant software, you can trick giant corporations into supporting free and open-source software and make things less user-hostile. That's been the dream since ESR wrote the Cathedral and the Bazaar in the 90s.
I think there was some interview long time ago, during early steamOS development times, where someone in valve said that they're doing it because they're concerned about windows platform monopoly on PC vidya and want to have a viable alternative in case some shit goes down. But valve is a fairy tale dreamland for nerds, they do as they please, and nerds love linux, so I wonder if there's even any 'endgame' in all of that. Maybe they just want to support the platform they would like to believe in.
Linux being viable and popular for gaming probably.
The benefits are kinda obvious, for one most Linux distributions don't come with their own store, walled garden restrictions and proprietary bullshit that makes your life as a third party game seller harder, for two you can just bundle your own offshoot of the free open thing if you ever decide to sell hardware and give people something that just works without having to pay for licensing.
Because it's open-source nerd shit you've also got a legion of power users on your platform willing to do your work for you if it makes their life easier. It's like you just get an infinite supply of unpaid interns.
Windows is too bloated and expensive to run on handheld hardware. I hope the market share keeps rising so that devs will make their anti-cheat software work on Linux and Nvidia releases open-source drivers...
I still only use Windows because I need it to run all the programs I give a shit about. I imagine countless people are in the same boat. Once Wine and Proton are truly good enough to destroy this barrier, I'm guessing they're hoping that a major vector of mass Windows dependence will vanish. At least that's what this shit looked like to me several years ago. Nowadays just seems like Valve skirting around Windows dependency themselves. Either way we benefit.
>We are like le paying le numero 100 devs! we are like le actually hiring 100 new valve employees! with actual contracts! we are definitely not le "paying" open source devs with le "bounty" shit, pinky promise!!!
lol
Gabe got really paranoid about the windows store years ago afraid it would be the standard for everything on windows PCs including games.
So he started to invest in linux starting with the steam machines. those flopped but his work into steam os and eventually Steam Deck kept going as he still had that fear.
if windows store and microsoft ever can stop being shit gabe will actually have issues making more money which means he will have to eat less food
>if windows store and microsoft ever can stop being shit
this will never happen, but microsoft can force users to install everything through the store, that's when is trully over and time to switch.
Windows Store is shit but winget is great and should be the standard way of getting software on Windows. Instead of download an exe installer you just copy a terminal prompt like snap on Linux.
not like that, it'll probably be a thing only to thinking humans (white people), there will always be an infinitude of pajeets like you so microshaft wangblows will never be unused
they have been losing good will since win8
>pajeets! like u!
my poo poo coloured amerimutt bro... I am from EU, I am poor... pasty... and I don't care if some guy walking on the street is white, brown, black, green, etc
why are americans so obsessed with India, China, Russia, Mexico, etc?
Why did Gabe think Steam Machines wwould work in the first place? Console users were already locked into whatever environment they were with and PC users generally could either build their own PCs or bought other prebuilts.
So to understand that it is important to know how Microsoft does business and enforces their dominance within the desktop niche. In the old days, Microsoft would just straight up tell OEMs they could only ship Windows on their hardware, but that obviously got them in trouble with anti-trust regulators. Around the time the Steam Machines were on the market Microsoft had hit on a new scheme where they used patent licenses to essentially force OEMs to only ship Windows (which bundled the license), or to pay more money for a stand-alone patent when they shipped something else.
Valve obviously sees this as a major conflict of interest because it drives up the cost of PC gaming, and allows Microsoft to position the walled garden Xbox ecosystem as a more affordable point of entry. With the concern over the fact that Microsoft straight up told Gaben to his face that their plan was to ultimately make Steam no longer function by bringing the walled garden to Windows, Valve needed to get Steam moving outside of Microsoft's threatened walled garden.
It seems like the intent with Steam Machines was to try to find a loophole in that OEM license, where a system hooked up to a TV and using a Gamepad for input might not fall afoul of the license terms, but Microsoft pressured companies like Dell whether they really wanted to try that, and Dell of course knuckled under, started shipping Windows on the Steam Machine hardware, and discontinued the product.
SteamDeck is yet another attempt to do basically the same thing. More of Microsoft's patent portfolio has expired since the Steam Machines, the Oracle v Google decision protects compatibility layers that re-implement a public API, and Microsoft's licensing terms have often had carve-outs for devices with screens under a certain size. Plus of course Valve isn't a Windows OEM so they didn't since Microsoft's contracts which is what gave Microsoft all the power to block the earlier versions of SteamOS.
I've taken the first steps in getting away from Windows and installed Nobara for dual boot. Messed around with some games that don't have Linux compatibility and Proton is working pretty great. Zero issues so far. WINE even emulating some windows programs such as MPC-HC with k lite codec has been working with zero hitches.
If I recall, Microsoft wanted to start locking applications like steam behind the windows store and charge for downloads. This spooked valve since people would have to start paying for steam and immediately started looking for the door out and found that out in the form of linux
Stopping microsoft from becoming the only store for PC.
Microsoft is very, very, very jealous of android and they want to turn windows into android.
>Microsoft is very, very, very jealous of android and they want to turn windows into android.
Why?
Because they'd get 30% off every single software sale and microtransaction on Windows if they controlled the software distribution through their store.
I legitimately don't know any other Android storefronts other than Google Play. I don't think APKPure counts because it just rips from other places and you can't even d microtransactions though it afaik. I don't think FDroid is a storefront either.
Me neither, but at the same time I'm not what you'd call an "Android power user". Maybe there are other storefronts available.
Fdroid but I run grapheneOs I'm not a normal user
Does Fdroid actually sell anything? I have it installed, but afaik they don't actually sell anything, which is why I said "I don't think it's a storefront".
You can download app that have premium features. They might take a cut but they don't sell anything. Its more of a store that has apps that align with its values ie no crazy tracking the user
I love F-Droid so much. It's so cool to actually look forward for updates and seeing more niche apps slowly improve through raw passion and autism.
check out NeoStore
better F-Droid client than the official one
whats the difference between this and lineageOS?
nta, but graphene is about security and only supports few models
lineage is more google-free replacement for android (afaik)
Why can't these c**ts be happy with the billions of dollars they already make. I hate corporate greed.
Investors always want more and demand more
Because as a publicly traded corporation they have a legal responsibility to deliver results to the stakeholders. If they fail to do so, they can be sued for it.
Disney told investors to frick off so idk about that one bud. They lost over a billion dollars. Only thing to come out of it is a hostile takeover that is in the works
Disney has been sued by investors.
Which may very well be why they will ultimately sell off or spin off the consumer-facing portions of the business to some other entity and allow them to fail.
Xbox, Windows Home, win32 compatibility, DirectX, all of these are drains on their bottom line and it isn't clear how they will turn it around.
A future even more profitable version of Microsoft will probably offer hosted virtualized legacy compatibility solutions running remotely in a datacenter as a subscription service to their paying customers.
There have almost certainly been discussions within Microsoft about why they spend billions maintaining their legacy compatibility layer, when it doesn't deliver any better results than Wine, or the NT kernel when it is far behind the Linux kernel in every performance metric.
Keeping his business model viable long-term. Valve essentially took the business plan that Microsoft had and implemented it first, since they weren't restricted to console gens or Windows versions.
They want to be the middle-men for everything.
>30%
They'd be able to charge any percentage they wanted.
The monolithic nature of Steam is kind of terrible, especially since it's Chromium webshit.
As long as the big corpo doesn't subvert it into a system of mutual sabotage and market conspiracy it's fine. FOSS was always going to move forward whenever some corporation needed a tool to do a job and customized and extended something that necessitated them contributing back to the project, that's the big advantage of GPL shit.
>Patents remain horrible
Dodge v Ford should be repealed, frick ~~*shareholders*~~.
There are alternate stores on Android. You're thinking of iOS.
That doesn't really matter. The goal is to have the default store. I am pretty sure you don't need to be a rocket surgeon to figure out that even on Android the Play Store gets the majority of all revenue generated on the Android platform.
>android
Apple*
>Stopping microsoft from becoming the only store for PC.
>Everyone b***hes about Valve having a monopoly
>Gay Ben was fighting one of the biggest monopolies of all time
bitches about Valve having a monopoly
"everyone" are paid shills and usefuli idiots that push that narrative to stop the only big company that doesn't actively shit on its costumers
Steam being a monopoly is just bait, nobody believes that. Not even overzealous EU politicians entertain that notion.
He saw a market opportunity in Linux and took it. It paid off, Gaben has insane prominence in the Linux space now.
I'll give it a few years before Linuxgays turn on him though. He basically proved once again that you need a financially strong, coordinated backing to make a major leap like this and it takes away from the Linux fantasy that the big bad ebil corporations can be taken down by random fat morons on their spare time.
Gabe has no interest on controlling Linux anyway, it's virtually impossible. He made the jump easier for a lot of people though, including me.
>He basically proved once again that you need a financially strong, coordinated backing to make a major leap like this and it takes away from the Linux fantasy that the big bad ebil corporations can be taken down by random fat morons on their spare time.
You're out of the loop anon. Nothing in open source world is being made without big corpo behind the development now. Stallman lost the battle long ago.
>He basically proved once again that you need a financially strong, coordinated backing to make a major leap like this
That's not really true, what you need is vision and motivation. Valve had a vision for Linux (use on their "gaming console") and motivation (Windows Store) so they worked toward that goal. If a group of fat neckbeards got the same vision and motivation, they could have done it too. However Linux community is fairly small and they have values that conflict with working toward certain goals such as gaming or desktop Linux, so the drive toward making Linux a gaming OS was always lacking in the absence of Valve.
With big corpos motivation is easier to find than with neckbeards, currency. Currency is plentiful. Infinite you could say.
A good evidence for your point is emulators.
They're not written by big corporations, but there is a clear motivation and vision (running games of other consoles for free), so they do much better than something like a clone of a windows software etc..
The Linux fantasy was always that, by writing good and standards-compliant software, you can trick giant corporations into supporting free and open-source software and make things less user-hostile. That's been the dream since ESR wrote the Cathedral and the Bazaar in the 90s.
I think there was some interview long time ago, during early steamOS development times, where someone in valve said that they're doing it because they're concerned about windows platform monopoly on PC vidya and want to have a viable alternative in case some shit goes down. But valve is a fairy tale dreamland for nerds, they do as they please, and nerds love linux, so I wonder if there's even any 'endgame' in all of that. Maybe they just want to support the platform they would like to believe in.
crashing windows
With no survivors
Linux being viable and popular for gaming probably.
The benefits are kinda obvious, for one most Linux distributions don't come with their own store, walled garden restrictions and proprietary bullshit that makes your life as a third party game seller harder, for two you can just bundle your own offshoot of the free open thing if you ever decide to sell hardware and give people something that just works without having to pay for licensing.
Because it's open-source nerd shit you've also got a legion of power users on your platform willing to do your work for you if it makes their life easier. It's like you just get an infinite supply of unpaid interns.
Windows is too bloated and expensive to run on handheld hardware. I hope the market share keeps rising so that devs will make their anti-cheat software work on Linux and Nvidia releases open-source drivers...
he was molested by bill when he worked for m$
>invests on linux
woah he hired a couple of open source devs! so groundbreaking!
: > )
I wish I could do the same to decompile classic games tbh
Probably to do nothing and play BCI VR shit from his bed for the rest of his life.
to frick over microsoft at PC gaymen, and he's succeeding
>portable console sells less than vita
>salesgayging to distract from obviously superior hardware
expensive good thing sells less than a cheaper good thing
who couldve thought?
Yeah, I sure Sony was content with Vita sales and continued to support it for years.
>whats his endgame?
Not having to rely on an external platform for his store.
>sales numbers only matter when I say so!!!!!!!!!!!!
>it sells like shit because it can't compete with the fisher price tablet!!!!!
close thread jannies lol
I still only use Windows because I need it to run all the programs I give a shit about. I imagine countless people are in the same boat. Once Wine and Proton are truly good enough to destroy this barrier, I'm guessing they're hoping that a major vector of mass Windows dependence will vanish. At least that's what this shit looked like to me several years ago. Nowadays just seems like Valve skirting around Windows dependency themselves. Either way we benefit.
>We are like le paying le numero 100 devs! we are like le actually hiring 100 new valve employees! with actual contracts! we are definitely not le "paying" open source devs with le "bounty" shit, pinky promise!!!
lol
>I said so on an interview for a gay tech website so it must be true!!!
haha
Gabe got really paranoid about the windows store years ago afraid it would be the standard for everything on windows PCs including games.
So he started to invest in linux starting with the steam machines. those flopped but his work into steam os and eventually Steam Deck kept going as he still had that fear.
if windows store and microsoft ever can stop being shit gabe will actually have issues making more money which means he will have to eat less food
>if windows store and microsoft ever can stop being shit
this will never happen, but microsoft can force users to install everything through the store, that's when is trully over and time to switch.
Windows Store is shit but winget is great and should be the standard way of getting software on Windows. Instead of download an exe installer you just copy a terminal prompt like snap on Linux.
>installing anything, period
i'll just keep using portable software mr gates.
theres gonna be a windows downfall sooner or later, I would argue it'll be around Windows 12
pog 2 more weeks until windows is deprecated!
not like that, it'll probably be a thing only to thinking humans (white people), there will always be an infinitude of pajeets like you so microshaft wangblows will never be unused
they have been losing good will since win8
>pajeets! like u!
my poo poo coloured amerimutt bro... I am from EU, I am poor... pasty... and I don't care if some guy walking on the street is white, brown, black, green, etc
why are americans so obsessed with India, China, Russia, Mexico, etc?
what happened to Ganker? lol
>what happened to Ganker? lol
yurocancer such as yourself invaded as well as spics, if you must know
I've been on this website for years lol, but you're right, actual zoomer Black folk like u really made this worse it seems...
you're newbie cancer and you're fooling no one "lol"
the double reddit spacing, he struck a nerve
Lots more people using Linux to play video games so his business is no longer as dependent on another company's OS.
Why did Gabe think Steam Machines wwould work in the first place? Console users were already locked into whatever environment they were with and PC users generally could either build their own PCs or bought other prebuilts.
the issue is that 3rd parties made them. if valve made their own right now, i think a lot of people would actually buy into them as their prebuilt.
So to understand that it is important to know how Microsoft does business and enforces their dominance within the desktop niche. In the old days, Microsoft would just straight up tell OEMs they could only ship Windows on their hardware, but that obviously got them in trouble with anti-trust regulators. Around the time the Steam Machines were on the market Microsoft had hit on a new scheme where they used patent licenses to essentially force OEMs to only ship Windows (which bundled the license), or to pay more money for a stand-alone patent when they shipped something else.
Valve obviously sees this as a major conflict of interest because it drives up the cost of PC gaming, and allows Microsoft to position the walled garden Xbox ecosystem as a more affordable point of entry. With the concern over the fact that Microsoft straight up told Gaben to his face that their plan was to ultimately make Steam no longer function by bringing the walled garden to Windows, Valve needed to get Steam moving outside of Microsoft's threatened walled garden.
It seems like the intent with Steam Machines was to try to find a loophole in that OEM license, where a system hooked up to a TV and using a Gamepad for input might not fall afoul of the license terms, but Microsoft pressured companies like Dell whether they really wanted to try that, and Dell of course knuckled under, started shipping Windows on the Steam Machine hardware, and discontinued the product.
SteamDeck is yet another attempt to do basically the same thing. More of Microsoft's patent portfolio has expired since the Steam Machines, the Oracle v Google decision protects compatibility layers that re-implement a public API, and Microsoft's licensing terms have often had carve-outs for devices with screens under a certain size. Plus of course Valve isn't a Windows OEM so they didn't since Microsoft's contracts which is what gave Microsoft all the power to block the earlier versions of SteamOS.
TWD
I've taken the first steps in getting away from Windows and installed Nobara for dual boot. Messed around with some games that don't have Linux compatibility and Proton is working pretty great. Zero issues so far. WINE even emulating some windows programs such as MPC-HC with k lite codec has been working with zero hitches.
If I recall, Microsoft wanted to start locking applications like steam behind the windows store and charge for downloads. This spooked valve since people would have to start paying for steam and immediately started looking for the door out and found that out in the form of linux
>whats his endgame?
Get away from microshit OS as possible
exploring the Mariana trench
Why does he own that sub?
he is looking for atlantis
It flopped
It's free real estate.