Animating flesh via necromancy typically requires a fragment of a soul(s), which is why it's considered an evil practice.
Animating flesh via golemancy typically requires the binding of an extraplanar spirit to the construct, which can still be considered evil I guess, but it's not like you're tearing a soul apart.
So it really depends on if the flesh golem has a mortal soul or an extraplanar soul.
What if we animated flesh via fragments of souls, suppressed them and proceeded to animate the flesh puppet with extraplanar spirits, suppressed those and then proceeded to animate the very same puppet using powers of a psion kept in an oubliette and all those three would be stuck in perpetual struggle to maintain control of the golem as whenever one rises to the top, it damns the two others to imprisonment?
It's not artisanal, it's just multigrain. Multigrain anima aren't necessarily a bad thing but in this case it's obviously just a mass-marketing gimmick, an attempt to create a product with entertaining defects. .
Every single time anything in the greater D&D family of games, including those that "aren't D&D" by /tg/'s metric (like BRP or GURPS based fantasy games) puts out a book that explores necromancy in detail. They always cite souls as a component of the power source for corpse animation magic.
Yea, it's based on the idea that you can't resurrect someone who is currently undead, because that rue goes way back. But I believe D&D cannon is that making an undead out of your body doesn't hurt your soul, it just blocks you from coming back to the world of the living, like it's occupying your body/soul interface.
>cannon
English lesson, fren. When cannon has two "n"s in it, it is a weapon against troop formations and ships. When canon has one "n" it is a weapon against fanfic writers and ships.
Corporeal undead require a portion of an individual's soul, which is generally only capable of being bound to their own flesh and bones. I guess you could just summon ghosts to haunt suits of armor and the like.
>Real question: can you make an undead creature out of completely-inorganic parts?
Yeah, that's what skeletons are, since bones are made of the inorganic metal calcium
Usually things like possessed X count as undead for the purposes of removing the spirit haunting the X but it's not like if you shove a ghost in a suit of armor the suit of armor itself is undead. The entire point of something being undead is that it was a living thing that has died and was brought back in some form of half life.
For me, a flesh golem is just a stupid word to describe something like Frankenstein's Monster. They're not golems, and they're not undead because their tissues have been revived and are living again.
It depends what animates it. A machine made of bones and leather isn't automatically undead unless it is animated by a necromantic force that specifically targets dead flesh
yes, the computer becomes a supernatural being after receiving such a powerful necromantic spell. it risks actual, phisical damage if affected by holy magic, and its appearance may change to reflect its nature
>Is a flesh golem undead?
its a homonculus of sorts
Golem; animated anthropomorphic being that is created entirely from inanimate matter (usually clay or mud), some spirit placed inside to animate it i guess.So magically made undead.
Frankenstein's monster; some homonculus creature
Flesh "Golem"; Frankenstein's monster
or Flesh Golem as a Zombie "Golem" that could be magically animated. Parts of humans into a big bully.
It doesn't matter what it's made from. It's still a magical construct. Frankensteins monster isn't undead either - he yelled it's alive for a reason. Undead =/= reanimated. Than every resurrected player would be undead, too.
a patchwork zombie animated via magic is undead but a patchwork human (Frankensteins monster) brought to life is indeed not undead. It has its original 1 soul.
Patchwork zombie animates AND stays animated due to Magic/Energy/curse. It doesn't have a heartbeat, it rots, no body temp. Etc .
Frankensteins monster has all human body functions.
A golem is a magical construct made from whatever.
It is a semantic oversight that they aren't. I guess true undead are powered by negative plane shit but metaphysics aren't exactly clear.
A flesh golem made from undead parts is an undead flesh golem, in the same way that a clay golem made from stinky clay is a stinky clay golem. It's not an undead creature but it would still be undesirable for a number of reasons.
Did the bone come from a skeleton? Did the leather come from a crocodile zombie? If so, then it's an "undead motorcycle", in the sense that it's made from undead parts. But it's not an undead creature. In this sense, I'm describing formerly-undead parts as "undead parts" even after they've been smote, in the same way that leather is still a crocodile part even after you kill the crocodile. If you build a motorcycle (or a flesh golem) with still-twitching still-malicious undead body parts then it's less clear.
What's interesting is that in 3.5, no it's not, It's a construct that's supposed to have a bound elemental like all golems. However animate dead is still a spell needed for its creation.
>Zombies
Strong, durable, but terribly unhygienic, only useful for combat, not frickable >Skeletons
Can be made clean, weak and somewhat brittle, no visual appeal, bones clack, not frickable >ghosts
Clean and visually appealing, limited ability to do labor, not really frickable but you can jackoff i guess >Vampires
Visually appealing, very capable of both combat and service ability, very frickable... But they are nocturnal, overly prideful, and must be kept feed >Mummies
Visually appealing, very powerful, very rich, very frickable (depending on state), but they are so powerful they could prove a threat, mummy curses are a pain, always running out of toilet paper >Flesh golems
Can be made as powerful, attractive, and capable as you want, very loyal, living body, modular parts (you want a flat tomboy one day and a busty milf the next, you can) very clean, the only downside is you generally need raise/teach them, but that also means you can groom them into your perfect girl
The forces used to animate a flesh golem could also be used to animate a wood golem, or stone golem, or metal golem. It just happens to be used on flesh because the creator has some kind of complex.
The forces used to animate an undead can only be used on corpses. You can't make a stone zombie, it has to be made of dead people.
>It just happens to be used on flesh because the creator has some kind of complex.
Probably, but you should note that flesh is already designed to get up and walk around, unlike clay or iron or coins. They're the weakest, easiest, and most unstable form of golem, people build them because they lack the means to build something better.
Depends, the MC of The Death Mage Who Doesn't Want a Fourth Time can create undead or golems by stuffing ghosts into objects or corpses because he's got an outlandish amount of magic at his disposal, so it depends on whether you are limited by the effect of a spell or if controlling spirits is just something you can do.
it's only undead if its stats say so or the dm rules otherwise.
What would happen if you made a flesh golem out of only undead body parts?
>distant reanimator 1 theme music.mp3
he got that reference and I feel old for it
No it's just science.
Animating flesh via necromancy typically requires a fragment of a soul(s), which is why it's considered an evil practice.
Animating flesh via golemancy typically requires the binding of an extraplanar spirit to the construct, which can still be considered evil I guess, but it's not like you're tearing a soul apart.
So it really depends on if the flesh golem has a mortal soul or an extraplanar soul.
What if we animated flesh via fragments of souls, suppressed them and proceeded to animate the flesh puppet with extraplanar spirits, suppressed those and then proceeded to animate the very same puppet using powers of a psion kept in an oubliette and all those three would be stuck in perpetual struggle to maintain control of the golem as whenever one rises to the top, it damns the two others to imprisonment?
Sounds stupid.
Artisanal gimmick shit, completely impractical
It's not artisanal, it's just multigrain. Multigrain anima aren't necessarily a bad thing but in this case it's obviously just a mass-marketing gimmick, an attempt to create a product with entertaining defects. .
>Animating flesh via necromancy typically requires a fragment of a soul(s), which is why it's considered an evil practice.
[citation needed]
Every single time anything in the greater D&D family of games, including those that "aren't D&D" by /tg/'s metric (like BRP or GURPS based fantasy games) puts out a book that explores necromancy in detail. They always cite souls as a component of the power source for corpse animation magic.
Yea, it's based on the idea that you can't resurrect someone who is currently undead, because that rue goes way back. But I believe D&D cannon is that making an undead out of your body doesn't hurt your soul, it just blocks you from coming back to the world of the living, like it's occupying your body/soul interface.
>cannon
English lesson, fren. When cannon has two "n"s in it, it is a weapon against troop formations and ships. When canon has one "n" it is a weapon against fanfic writers and ships.
>just blocks you from coming back to the world of the living,
in what edition was this the case?
It depends on the setting. In Earthdawn you could animate the golem just by bullshitting everyone until it is common knowledge that it is animate.
No, its a golem that happens to use body parts. If I made a golem out of Devil skin would it be a fiend? No!
Real question: can you make an undead creature out of completely-inorganic parts?
Corporeal undead require a portion of an individual's soul, which is generally only capable of being bound to their own flesh and bones. I guess you could just summon ghosts to haunt suits of armor and the like.
>haunted armor
Frick yea, I knew there was something classic that I wasn't thinking of, and I knew you guys would think of it.
>Corporeal undead require a portion of an individual's soul
[citation needed]
>Real question: can you make an undead creature out of completely-inorganic parts?
Yeah, that's what skeletons are, since bones are made of the inorganic metal calcium
Bones are not pure calcium. There still a lot of CH in them.
Maybe YOURS aren't, skinny
Incorporeal ones, obviously
Ghosts leave ectoplasm, which is clearly organic despite its similarity in chemistry and consistency to dollar store cleaning fluid
Usually things like possessed X count as undead for the purposes of removing the spirit haunting the X but it's not like if you shove a ghost in a suit of armor the suit of armor itself is undead. The entire point of something being undead is that it was a living thing that has died and was brought back in some form of half life.
What does the book say?
It depends on the setting.
Yes, sometimes.
No, other times.
If we're talking about D&D read the fricking lore dipshit.
All Golems are powered by earth elementals in 5e, it says so right there.
Undead all undead is powered via the energies made by the negative energy plane. That's the majority of them anyway. Stop asking stupid questions.
For me, a flesh golem is just a stupid word to describe something like Frankenstein's Monster. They're not golems, and they're not undead because their tissues have been revived and are living again.
>threads that could be avoided by just reading the goddamn book
There's a book that covers all possible settings?! Wow, what's it called?
The Bible
I knew that's all that would come back, you're too predictable.
>Ask someone a question
>Call them predictable when you get the correct response.
I'm reasonably sure golem lore is extra-Biblical.
>Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
We are golems
the golem was literally a humans attempt to copy the act of god in creating man
Every possible setting has flesh golems!? Wow!
At least more than one does! Amazing, right?!
Wrong! What would be amazing is if that actually had anything to do with the fact that this thread is fricking worthless!
Sounds like you're in the right place, then!
Let me check.
Nope.
>are Galvani's frogs undead?
No but the hands clearly are.
cmon anon, you know mages hand is a first level spell.
A golem doesn't have a soul, it's basically a flesh robot.
Is frankensteins monster undead?
It depends what animates it. A machine made of bones and leather isn't automatically undead unless it is animated by a necromantic force that specifically targets dead flesh
it depends on if it's done by a necromamcer or a scientist
>what about a necromancer scientist
still a necromancer
if a flesh golem dies and is reanimated by a necromancer is it undead?
If a necromancer puts a human soul into a computer OS and boots it, is the computer undead?
the computer isn't but the soul is.
yes, the computer becomes a supernatural being after receiving such a powerful necromantic spell. it risks actual, phisical damage if affected by holy magic, and its appearance may change to reflect its nature
I'd say yes. The flesh was once living, it's now not but it's animate again.
No, because the computer was never alive. But if you swap the computer out for a dog's head, for example, then yes.
It's an Undead/ Construct duel type Pokemon.
Depends
Is this truly the horniest of trek-like shows? It's hornier than Farscape, and Farscape was hornier than Enterprise.
First two seasons have soft porn vibe
> girl showers with naked boobs and shower looks like dick
>Golem
No it's a golem.
Why do so many Americans pronounce golem the same as Gollum? Come to think of it, they usually say layer instead of lair too
>Is a flesh golem undead?
its a homonculus of sorts
Golem; animated anthropomorphic being that is created entirely from inanimate matter (usually clay or mud), some spirit placed inside to animate it i guess.So magically made undead.
Frankenstein's monster; some homonculus creature
Flesh "Golem"; Frankenstein's monster
or Flesh Golem as a Zombie "Golem" that could be magically animated. Parts of humans into a big bully.
So undead or construct.
It doesn't matter what it's made from. It's still a magical construct. Frankensteins monster isn't undead either - he yelled it's alive for a reason. Undead =/= reanimated. Than every resurrected player would be undead, too.
It is a semantic oversight that they aren't. I guess true undead are powered by negative plane shit but metaphysics aren't exactly clear.
a patchwork zombie animated via magic is undead but a patchwork human (Frankensteins monster) brought to life is indeed not undead. It has its original 1 soul.
Patchwork zombie animates AND stays animated due to Magic/Energy/curse. It doesn't have a heartbeat, it rots, no body temp. Etc .
Frankensteins monster has all human body functions.
A golem is a magical construct made from whatever.
A flesh golem made from undead parts is an undead flesh golem, in the same way that a clay golem made from stinky clay is a stinky clay golem. It's not an undead creature but it would still be undesirable for a number of reasons.
If you have a bound elemental powering a motorbike and the motorbike is made of bone and leather, is it undead?
Did the bone come from a skeleton? Did the leather come from a crocodile zombie? If so, then it's an "undead motorcycle", in the sense that it's made from undead parts. But it's not an undead creature. In this sense, I'm describing formerly-undead parts as "undead parts" even after they've been smote, in the same way that leather is still a crocodile part even after you kill the crocodile. If you build a motorcycle (or a flesh golem) with still-twitching still-malicious undead body parts then it's less clear.
What's interesting is that in 3.5, no it's not, It's a construct that's supposed to have a bound elemental like all golems. However animate dead is still a spell needed for its creation.
Flesh golems are the peak of necromantic practice
Coomer necromancers guide to servants
>Zombies
Strong, durable, but terribly unhygienic, only useful for combat, not frickable
>Skeletons
Can be made clean, weak and somewhat brittle, no visual appeal, bones clack, not frickable
>ghosts
Clean and visually appealing, limited ability to do labor, not really frickable but you can jackoff i guess
>Vampires
Visually appealing, very capable of both combat and service ability, very frickable... But they are nocturnal, overly prideful, and must be kept feed
>Mummies
Visually appealing, very powerful, very rich, very frickable (depending on state), but they are so powerful they could prove a threat, mummy curses are a pain, always running out of toilet paper
>Flesh golems
Can be made as powerful, attractive, and capable as you want, very loyal, living body, modular parts (you want a flat tomboy one day and a busty milf the next, you can) very clean, the only downside is you generally need raise/teach them, but that also means you can groom them into your perfect girl
Seems like that would depend on the nature of its animation (which requires nailing down exactly how necromancy works first)
The forces used to animate a flesh golem could also be used to animate a wood golem, or stone golem, or metal golem. It just happens to be used on flesh because the creator has some kind of complex.
The forces used to animate an undead can only be used on corpses. You can't make a stone zombie, it has to be made of dead people.
>It just happens to be used on flesh because the creator has some kind of complex.
Probably, but you should note that flesh is already designed to get up and walk around, unlike clay or iron or coins. They're the weakest, easiest, and most unstable form of golem, people build them because they lack the means to build something better.
Depends, the MC of The Death Mage Who Doesn't Want a Fourth Time can create undead or golems by stuffing ghosts into objects or corpses because he's got an outlandish amount of magic at his disposal, so it depends on whether you are limited by the effect of a spell or if controlling spirits is just something you can do.
No. It's a construct. Would you call a robot made out of wood an undead creature? I doubt it.