is Bald's Gay 3 an indie game?

Yes.

Swen would have to buy them back out but yes, all they're entitled to is money

I don’t know how young you are, but if someone owns 1/3 of your company you aren’t allowed to tell them to frick off regardless of what the contract might say

>Why even bring him up?
He's talking to a larian shill so you have to call them a farquaad.

I think that's a british insult too, might be wrong.

Indie has a very specific meaning in gaming industry and BG3 is not that. Why are you all larping as morons, arguing over semantics? This board is truly full of bots.

Pajeets and trannies. The former do it for cents, the latter do it for free.

>farquaads seething about the tencent funding again
every time.

Yep it really is the farquaads kek.

Donors won't hold you on gunpoint unlike investors.

Not public so swen had to go funding to the chinamen specifically.
He either sought out their money or they sought him out when he was in a time of need. The people that found out tencent held that 30 percent stake can't pinpoint when it happened.
Look for when Larian was at their lowest point financially.

I'm glad you got it.

So Counter-Strike 2 is an indie game?

yes, literally
they might be AAA in terms of budget but they are still independent as a dev and publisher

No, they're indie.
No it isnt your term to circle jerk off in a discord with other indie developers giving fellatio over how many ramen noodle packets and hot pockets you've ate over the course of your grueling dev week where you made some shitty sprites in Microsoft paint.
It's to describe developers who are independent and not beholden to a publisher.

Budget is directly irrelevant to this.

Fortnite is an indie game?

Valerian and the City of a Thousand planets is an indie movie. This movie cost $177,200,000 to produce.
>That's not even including the marketing side of things. Typically, people say that a film's total budget amounts to doubling its production costs (generally, it costs about the same to make a movie as it does to market it). So, if we were to go off of that theory, Valerian could have cost Besson and his financiers somewhere in the ballpark of $354,400,000. By no means is that a confirmed number, but if we're going by the general rule of thumb for what it costs to make and advertise a movie, then that's a good idea of the total figure. In that case, if they only made $225,874,228 off of a budget of, give or take, $354,400,000, then that means, financially, they're about $128,525,772 in the ground. Ouch.

This is the industry where videogames stole the term indie from, like just about everything else the gaming industry borrows from the film industry.
Again, it does not matter HOW MUCH money, just that they're independent from any publishers.

That's not even an indie movie.

Fortnite is an indie game?

According to the definition of indie.
Again, going from the industry gaming STOLE the term indie from, the most expensive indie movie literally cost 177 million to produce, and that's not even going into advertising.

[...]
Valerian and the City of a Thousand planets is an indie movie. This movie cost $177,200,000 to produce.
>That's not even including the marketing side of things. Typically, people say that a film's total budget amounts to doubling its production costs (generally, it costs about the same to make a movie as it does to market it). So, if we were to go off of that theory, Valerian could have cost Besson and his financiers somewhere in the ballpark of $354,400,000. By no means is that a confirmed number, but if we're going by the general rule of thumb for what it costs to make and advertise a movie, then that's a good idea of the total figure. In that case, if they only made $225,874,228 off of a budget of, give or take, $354,400,000, then that means, financially, they're about $128,525,772 in the ground. Ouch.

This is the industry where videogames stole the term indie from, like just about everything else the gaming industry borrows from the film industry.
Again, it does not matter HOW MUCH money, just that they're independent from any publishers.

Just because you circlejerk in your indie devs discord jacking each other off with dorito dusted ffingertips doesnt mean you're exclusive to the term INDIE

It isn't retired, and only someone with a subhuman IQ and brainrot would think otherwise.
BG3 and Larian are absolutely independent, and if it had a boardroom of publishers controlling the outcome of the game, it wouldn't have had the polish, or balls to accomplish what it did and become the standalone game of the year in 2023. They'd have ruined it.
A Billionaire can suddenly decide to one day create a videogame/movie with a gigantic budget, and still completely control every aspect of it's design, from publishing, to directing. Just because most indie developers are poor morons coding out of the garage doesn't mean that's the case for all of them.

the term has plenty of purpose.

As a genre indie just means independently published.
If you're seething at this try to get Steam to add a genre called "Poorgay developed in broomcloset" and then get all your moronic circlejerk poorgays to agree to post games under that genre.

None of what you said is an argument.
Indie as a genre literally means independently published.
Elon Musk could make a shitty game with a billion dollar budget, and publish it himself privately and it'd be an indie game.

This is no budget tied to the genre.
If you want a genre tied to budget, beg valve to add a "poorgay" genre. It's that simple.

>No it isnt your term to circle jerk off in a discord with other indie developers giving fellatio over how many ramen noodle packets and hot pockets you've ate over the course of your grueling dev week where you made some shitty sprites in Microsoft paint.
That's more words than you need to say "I'm mad that people actually know the point of the term indie and don't use it to describe teams with hundreds of people and tens of millions of dollars of budget."

Read the post below yours.

Star Citizen is an AAA game with a 600million dollar budget that's also an indie game, and independently published.
(You) don't know the definition of Indie. That's a (You) problem. Not a me problem.

>(You)
The other anon was right. You really are a bunch of ESLmorons who don't understand how words are used. Why do you think the term indie came into existence as a descriptor in the first place? Think long and hard about that.

>Post below mine says they're not related.
What does it say is related? Does that apply to BG3? Think hard about it.

>Why do you think the term indie came into existence as a descriptor in the first place
It was stolen from the movie industry, like just about everything in videogame culture at this point.
There are independently published movies with budgets in the hundreds of millions.
I think it's you who should be thinking about how the term came to be, not me.

>It was stolen from the movie industry
Yes and what was the term used to describe and why? I know you're an ESLgay who can only think about words in the most literal sense, but rub your 3 functioning brain cells together and consider why people would want to differentiate between those types of projects in the first place.

It is a shill using pilpul.

I don't care which posts are yours. Stop dancing around the question and give a direct answer.

That does not answer the relation between size of budget and dependence. Provide a direct answer to the question.

Knight is the same genre as kenshi
yes

Define "genre".

Meme arrows are not an answer. Try again.

I gave you about a dozen chances to answer a very simple question that you've ended up dancing around because you've backed yourself into a corner by making a moronic implication. I'll accept your reluctant concession. Feel free to get your last cope reply in, post chain closed afterwards.

>Define "genre".
no

>Why do you think the term indie came into existence as a descriptor in the first place
It was stolen from the movie industry, like just about everything in videogame culture at this point.
There are independently published movies with budgets in the hundreds of millions.
I think it's you who should be thinking about how the term came to be, not me.

see

[...]
Valerian and the City of a Thousand planets is an indie movie. This movie cost $177,200,000 to produce.
>That's not even including the marketing side of things. Typically, people say that a film's total budget amounts to doubling its production costs (generally, it costs about the same to make a movie as it does to market it). So, if we were to go off of that theory, Valerian could have cost Besson and his financiers somewhere in the ballpark of $354,400,000. By no means is that a confirmed number, but if we're going by the general rule of thumb for what it costs to make and advertise a movie, then that's a good idea of the total figure. In that case, if they only made $225,874,228 off of a budget of, give or take, $354,400,000, then that means, financially, they're about $128,525,772 in the ground. Ouch.

This is the industry where videogames stole the term indie from, like just about everything else the gaming industry borrows from the film industry.
Again, it does not matter HOW MUCH money, just that they're independent from any publishers.

The actual meaning of indie has to do with creative control, not funding.

Except only morons like you who don't know the proper definition of the word think indie has anything to do with Budget.

I don't think that. My question: does Swen work directly on the game to a large degree?

>genre tag
It's not a genre tag you fricking cretin. Holy shit you braindead motherfricker, jesus christ. I swear to god if I knew you irl I'd curbstomp your brain all over the fricking concrete.

>Hollow Knight is the same genre as kenshi
go gargle some 12 gauge

It is. When did the word indie start appearing? I think i remember hearing it get popular after that indie documentary with Meatboy and Braid released. Can you remember an earlier example using it where the word means independently owned?

>zoomzoom thinks the word "Indie" was made in the late 2000s
YOU ACTUALLY CANNOT MAKE THIS SHIT UP LOL

in the 80s and 90s when people were literally shipping games from their homes

If the definition of a word does not match its usage, especially the orignal usage, the definition is wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_game

I hope its at least difficult being as moronic as you are, just look it up. Thats all you had to do. Instead of hear a words etymology and think the word must be your specific intepretation of what the root word means in this context that no one else uses outside this thread.

Okay but at what point did WoTC hold a gun to Swen's head until he agreed to make BG3.

Nope. Larian marketers are known as Farquaads, it's been that way since the Pathfinder days.

I'm not arguing with you farquaad. You keep trying to argue with me and I'm dismissing you.

holy frick you are actually 50iq, of course they pay to use the star wars license.

>You keep acting like they are just paying a fee when it is a "partnership" intentionally.
>It isn't 1 way.
no shit moron, 1 party is paid at the start of the contract or/and with a part of the sells and the other party is "paid" by being allowed to make a more successful product using a popular IP.

God you're moronic

I feel bad for you.

>Wotc wants a dev for it's virtual modules, Larian wants consistent work if they can get it. You don't understand how this stuff works.
You are just a brainlet... NOTHING indicate that Wotc paid Larian, this is just your schizophrenia speaking to your mind.
What most likely happened is that Larian paid either upfront of with a percentage of the sales to have the right to use the IP. That just how most entertainment IP contract work.

Why do you Larp as an insider when you have the comprehension of a 5yo?
Trying to argue that wotc giving them documentation is the "payment" is laughable. you know you are full of shit.

Larian headquarters isn't in China and 30% isn't anywhere near a controlling majority.

>Read is hard
ni hao

what does that have to do with the false claim that wizards paid larian to make baldurs gay?

you did not read that post or the reply chain

literal schizo

It makes sense that there would be financial aid to make sure the project doesn't fall apart.
Shills need to eliminate common sense from the discourse to spread their idpol.

The aid was probably monumental. It was still cheaper than doing it internally for wotc.

Why do you Larp as an insider when you have the comprehension of a 5yo?
Trying to argue that wotc giving them documentation is the "payment" is laughable. you know you are full of shit.

I'm not an insider. You don't need to be an insider to get how this works.

Yes. BG3 exists. It couldn't exist without the type of contract being discussed.

It does though. The IP is handled correctly. Larian has even made public note of things in BG3 that aren't in 5e because they began development before 5e was solidified as what it is now.
They were getting direction from WotC on how to properly translate the DnD license to the game.
This would save on payroll over not having oversight on your IP.

Nope. My massive aid is the typical materials you'd share in an IP contract to make sure that your IP is handled correctly.
Generally, these materials are dubbed a "design bible."
It isn't new or confusing, it has been a thing in multiple mediums for decades.

It is massive. If it isn't handled correctly it will irreparably damage your IP.

NTA but so what you mean is that if I made a game myself that uses D&D rules it wouldn't be indie?
You are wrong

Nope. If you are using DnD rules you had to go through WotC to do it. GURPS exists for this exact scenario.
Sorry Farquaad.

>It is massive. If it isn't handled correctly it will irreparably damage your IP.
For the last time this can't be considered an aid if LARIAN PAID FOR IT , if they paid then it's not an aid it's just what they paid for.

>If creative control is, in any way, outside the team of people working on the game, it can't be called an indie
that not what indie but i don't really care about the indie argument anyways.
I just wanted to clarifie that Larian paid for the IP and not the other way around.

don't care, they paid for the IP contrary to the bs you tried to spread,
the indie discutions is moronic. thinking that creative freedom is the factor to determine if a game is indie is just dumb.

Wrong.

Why are you even replying when you got blown out so hard?
>SRD is a license through OGL
>OGL is a license given by WotC
You can't argue this.

She is a marketer so she will keep twisting the argument after she was proven wrong.

>which requires zero input on WoTC's part.
The license to use the OGL comes from Wotc in particular. They have to have input to accept.

>It's not indie music because the lead guitarist has a fender instead of making his own instrument
kek

>It's not indie music because the lead guitarist has a fender instead of making his own instrument

Lmao, this dude is seething so hard that he can't even make proper arguments anymore.

Your indie example is shit. It isn't about having "actors" but the relationship that the smaller company would have with external sources. It would be like you trying to say that a small film company's movie is still an "indie movie" even if they bought the license to make a batman movie and had to work with Warner Brother's to make the film.

Your indie example is shit. It isn't about having "actors" but the relationship that the smaller company would have with external sources. It would be like you trying to say that a small film company's movie is still an "indie movie" even if they bought the license to make a batman movie and had to work with Warner Brother's to make the film.

The film rights to The Brave Little Toaster, the original novella by Thomas M. Disch, were purchased by the Walt Disney Studios in 1982, two years after its appearance in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction.[12] After animators John Lasseter and Glen Keane had finished a short 2D/3D test film based on the book Where the Wild Things Are, Lasseter and producer Thomas L. Wilhite decided they wanted to produce a whole feature with the same technique.

The story they chose was The Brave Little Toaster, and this became the first CGI film Lasseter ever pitched,[13] but in their enthusiasm, they ran into issues pitching the idea to two high-level Disney executives, animation administrator Ed Hansen, and Disney president Ron W. Miller. Ron Miller asked about the cost after the pitch and when Lasseter replied that it would cost no more than a traditionally animated film, Miller rejected the pitch, saying that the only reason to use computers would be if it was "faster or cheaper".[14][15]

A few minutes after the meeting, Lasseter received a phone call from Hansen and was instructed to come down to his office, where Lasseter was informed that he was dismissed. Originally set to commence at the Disney studios with a budget of $18 million, development was then transferred to the new Hyperion Pictures, which had been created by former Disney employees Tom Wilhite and Willard Carroll, who took the production along with them after Wilhite successfully requested the project from then-president Ron Miller. As a result, the film was financed as an independent production by Disney, with the aid of electronics company TDK Corporation and video distributor CBS/Fox Video.[12]

The budget was reduced by $12.06 million to $5.94 million as production began, approximately a third of the budget offered when in-house.[12] Despite providing funds to get it off the ground, Disney was not involved with production of the film.

>Disney may not have made the movie (filmed it, etc) but they still had creative control over the people making the thing and directly funded the entire project along with a handful of of other companies.
No.
>Despite providing funds to get it off the ground, Disney was not involved with production of the film
why just contradict yourself in the same post.
>You know Hyperion is a Disney subsidiary?
Not in 1987 :^)

>No you don't
Yes you do you fricking moron, 5E isn't open source. If you want to use it you need the license from WotC.

You do not need to obtain a specific license from WotC because that's what the OGL is, they do not need to accept anything as long as you follow OGL guidelines.

Why are you even replying when you got blown out so hard?
>SRD is a license through OGL
>OGL is a license given by WotC
You can't argue this.

WotC does not hand out the OGL, the entire point is that it allows people to freely create and distribute derivative works without needing express permission.

>System Reference Document (SRD) is a reference for a role-playing game's mechanics licensed under the Open Game License (OGL) to allow other publishers to make material compatible with that game.
>Open Game License (OGL) 1.0a is a license agreement between you and Wizards of the Coast to access the core rules of Dungeons & Dragons through an SRD. This license agreement was created by Wizards in 2000 and has been used by the creator community since then to develop their D&D compatible products.
Oof.

wtf is a gaywad

>It's not indie music because the lead guitarist has a fender instead of making his own instrument
kek

NTA but so what you mean is that if I made a game myself that uses D&D rules it wouldn't be indie?
You are wrong

>But not subject to demands
So, an indie company?

>Indie does not mean absolute independence, it's specifically independence from other publishers. Even the smallest indie games are dependent on money, a computer, the dev having a pulse, etc.
lmao holy shit

He's making fun of you because you are esl. Bringing up the dictionary to show it is a word doesn't mean much when the word isn't used in parlance for english.
You are a brown that learned goofy english in new dehli.

He's right though. You look like a clown.

Not the same anon slowmo