gonna shill my favorite: city of heroes. it shutdown but the private servers have the leaked source code. its fun for a short while and has a ton of depth to the character creator and power choices.
>played a villain minion master named beef wellington >name mionions after cuts like a big dude named tbone and small ones filet mignon
stupid but still makes me lol
I've played all three. >FFXIV
Was fun for a bit, but I got sick of going through all of the story quests, and at the end of the campaign I was greeted with more story quests, so I dropped the game entirely. >GW2
A personal favorite of mine, the combat is engaging and there's a lot to do. Also helps that there's no subscription service, so you don't have to pay for it monthly >ESO
Ive tried getting into it, but it just doesnt click with me all that well. Even after all these years it doesn't feel that great to play
>classic >active
lul
the world is empty and dead
most people are autistic tryhard sperglords who just do end-game content on repeat and whose sole pleasure from the game comes from seeing numbers go up
Sod is extremely active
Wrath classic is kinda dead because its literally the last month before next expac but you can still find ICC pugs
Even on weekdays
Yes OP, especially when Cata is going to drop soon. Anyone telling you not to play WoW in this thread is from the FFXIV general or their discord where they brigade wow threads
>FFXIV, Guild Wars 2, and Elder Scrolls Online are the most active.
LMAO WoW has 3x the pop of those games
Extremely. The free to play side of the game is the entire tutorial and there's plenty of content in there to get you started. The writing is top notch and the game has the best methods of traversing the world in any mmo
The popular MMORPGs are so "solo player friendly" you rarely interact with other players. Try to care less about active player count when choosing a MMORPG.
no, you missed the train (three times) as classic is heavily dependent on the "community" despite what the average virgin sperg with 0 social contact will tell you
your best bet is maybe check the pserver scene out, there are a few servers coming out soon that MIGHT be alright but obviously not gonna advertise them cuz some autist will screech SHILL at the top of his virgin lungs
don't give nu-blizz any money
do not ever ask about video games on Ganker. but yes, especially with cata classic and mop redux coming out. might as well play through them as they were at the time.
No, because Blizzard's legacy-servers are some of the worst implementations of their respective expansions; you're better off playing on private servers that tend to be better where it counts in server quality, management, community. I don't think there's been Classic FRESH (fresh relaunch server) recently either, which would nevertheless be a rather weighty argument - WoW is a vertical progression game and leveling content will be "dead" since most players start the game at server launch and at some point will be "done". When the game was released, it was novel in that leveling is fully soloable so you don't HAVE to play FRESH, but the world feeling lively does add charm to it.
As for playing vanilla (1.x version of the game)? Well, that would be a logical place to start, although I would point out that 1) vanilla endgame is shit, and infested with the most toxic brand of speedrunners (as speedrunning is the only way to add even a veneer to legitimacy to the content, being as trivial as it is otherwise); 2) you can do the world and leveling content with better class mechanics and added content in TBC, Wrath, or any of the "Classic+" private servers (such as Turtle-WoW, or the upcoming Project Epoch).
>you're better off playing on private servers that tend to be better where it counts in server quality, management, community
Holy shit I've never seen more thirdie cope than this. >n-no, don't play on official servers with legitimate admins and server support of a multi-billion dollar company, you have to play on this server which could be shutdown at any time and is run by corrupt euros who let anyone buy top-tier gear because it's all I can afford!!!
And just for you >blizzard simp >buy an add >$0.1 has been deposited into your Blizzard account >ywnbaw
don't be like this broken cuckold
stuck forever paying for liquid dogshit praising the "amazing admins and server support" ayy lmao fricking delusional blizzdrone
post your char name here so you can get massreported and autobanned by other blizzdrones >buy top-tier gear
you mean just like retail group finder being spammed with hundreds of mythic sale runs? kek fricking braindead Black person ape
>giving money to blizzard in current_year
just play a private server
vanilla is comfty and if you find a fresh server you can make some early game frens
if you're interested in retail, trial accounts are free so you can see the difference in gameplay
don't be like this broken cuckold
stuck forever paying for liquid dogshit praising the "amazing admins and server support" ayy lmao fricking delusional blizzdrone
post your char name here so you can get massreported and autobanned by other blizzdrones >buy top-tier gear
you mean just like retail group finder being spammed with hundreds of mythic sale runs? kek fricking braindead Black person ape
sounds comfy
will this do? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zic3vG5fApI
It genuinely is. You also get to be the master of your domain so you and your friends IRL can perform RPmaxxing, or safely explore raids without sweaties, or wiener about in BGs or the world by going against fully buffed bots. One time we even summoned the elemental in AV, something that could never be done on retail these days because of morons rushing.
I never looked much into the solo server stuff.
Is it possible to make your own classes with them like making a lifestealing tank sorta like a deathknight but in vanilla?
If you'd go for WoW, just go for SoD since it has more active players than all other versions right now.
Though, don't let other people fool you, it is essentially retail packaged as classic.
The problem with WoW is that every instance of the game is so fundamentally different from each other that you can't really use your experience in one as a means of getting into another.
>Retail/Modern WoW
Everything worth doing is contained to the region of the latest expansion. This iteration of WoW is all about endgame and has the worst form of scaling implemented until you get to the level bracket of the expansion. You can dick around in the free trial until lvl 20 to see if any class seems fun though.
>Classic Vanilla
Never played it on release but I think the economy is fricked beyond repair because of bots/goldsellers/etc.
>Classic SoD
Streamer-slop. A terrible place to start.
>Classic WoTLK
GDKP will ruin your fun if you don't meet a guild of normal people to run raids with
>Classic Hardcore
This is where I started. Getting 1-60 on my Nelf Priest is something I'll never forget. Easily my favorite experience playing WoW
Playing private servers might be the best way to get into the game/genre. But if you are set on playing on Blizzard Servers, I would say that Wrath > Classic > Dragonflight > SoD > Hardcore. Warth is easier to level than Classic where Dragonflight is more of as single-player RPG until you get to latest expansion where everyone is. Season of Discovery is a remake of Classic with Retails features. Hardcore is Classic with permadeath mechanic.
Yes, if it's actual Vanilla. In SoD you're way too strong, it ruins the leveling process... which is the entire point of Vanilla WoW.
My very first experience with WoW was back in 2017-2018 on a 1.12 (ie, Vanilla) private server, the game aged surprisingly well: I expected to quit after a few days, I ended up playing all the way to level 60.
>if your MMO does not have at least 6 million active players, it's completely dead. >playerbase is spread across 50+ servers >all group content is instanced, most of it requires no more than five players >you never see big groups because of phasing, sharding and what not >everyone is busy playing their own singleplayer campaign and solo questing
A Minecraft server with 20 players online is more alive than some of the "big" MMORPGs these days.
>play "dead" mmo >world size is small and and there's only a few servers >game feels live because of global chat and you are constantly seeing other people because small world size focused around starting town
Like imagine if runescape had the balls that the entire game area was limited to the F2P areas. The game could have a 3 digit player count and still feel alive.
BDO feels like this sometimes.
World is huge, but all the places a new player would gravitate towards usually has a lot of people and server chat is pretty lively.
I think it's because there isn't really an end game hub like WoW or XIV has.
It's a shame about the games big problems, otherwise it'd be something I could recommend. But it's shite and there's barely any group content that isn't a pvp meatgrinder.
I really like it, so I'd say that yes, it's worth it. The classic era realms aren't as bad as people say they are, but they definitely have problems. If you don't want to wait for a fresh server and are OK playing catch up and leveling to 60 mostly by yourself, era servers are a good choice for playing vanilla right now. Unfortunately, I can't recommend any private servers. The last one I played extensively was Everlook, and the Chinese players ruined that server. I did still manage to find a good guild and make some memories, but seeing it all get destroyed by chinks was awful. If only I'd realized it was dead from day 1 instead of putting 700+ hours in to my human warlock. As for custom, "vanilla+" servers, I find the very concept odious and stupid. Vanilla is perfect just the way it is, and the changes these server administrators make are moronic. The same logic applies to this Season of Discovery garbage, too.
All in all, unless you want to level to 60 on hard-core and then transfer to an era server, which is definitely a good option if you can stomach it, era servers are your best choice. Avoid (most) of the chink infestation and play the game normally if you can. Alternatively, just wait for a fresh that region locks asian players out.
Dont listen to this fricking moron no one is playing era vanilla, literally sub 50 player realms all around
I entered my old realm to check out of it was that empty
2 people in all of orgrimmar
OP, if you're serious about starting the game. I'd recommend you start with retail but before you start playing be sure to do a lot of research into the game and make sure it's something you think will be fun to play. The game can be very overwhelming so please do your research.
Project Epoch is going to be the closest thing to replicating that actual feeling of what a "classic" community should be. No questing add ons, won't be big enough for a wiki that explains how to do everything, no centralized communities deciding what's "meta" or not, no easy to find BIS lists that sweats will demand you have before doing easy content.
It will either be a classic renaissance or DoA, but I'm hopeful
Yep I played a bit of the beta, very good and well done, some balancing issues with new spells but quite far from the shitshow of SoD, will definitely play the release.
What's the quick rundown on Project Epoch anyway? Is it revamping the whole vanilla world or is it like Turtlewow and mainly adding stuff on top of it?
>Vanilla world with TBC talents (with some tweaking, like buffing 2h enhancement, making buffs raidwide, giving furor wolfshead helm bonuses by default, and some new skills here and there like rogues getting combo point transfer ability from Cata) on Wrath client, with stuff like items giving % hit/crit (rather than ratings) backported to Wrath, and 2.3 experience and quest elite status changes reversed >No draenei/blood elves, but new race/class combos like undead paladin, human hunter and dwarf shaman, with their own class quests and stuff >Many hundreds of custom quests and a bunch of new dungeons and raids, some just sprinkled in, others in new (or newly accessible, dancing troll village and such) subzones >A lot of rebalancing, like professions that are more than trap options, even at low levels, and dungeon drops that are useful >Endgame dungeon difficulty somewhere around easier pre-nerf or more difficult post-nerf TBC heroics
I guess they really wanted Alliance shamans and Horde paladins.
If you're new to Warcraft start with the RTS games. Warcraft I & II are both available on GOG and you can find a torrent or download for Warcraft III with the Frozen Throne expansion online.
Part of the charm of WoW was that you got to adventure in that world, without that context or attachment to the setting it's little more than generic MMO fare. Ultimately don't even bother with the MMO as the magic has been gone from the game and Blizzard for a long time, just play original Warcraft games and move on.
Not exactly a "quick" rundown but they've got a lot of info on their site. If you're like me just this page will have you salivating and you'll read everything else they have on the site
https://www.project-epoch.net/images
I'm not an eceleb person, but I've been watching day9 who started playing wow with classic for the first time and it's really fascinating seeing the new player experience.
Obviously him stopping every 3 minutes to tell the toddlers in his chat to stop backseating ruins it, but it's cool seeing a new player play.
play wow sod, most fun I've had in wow since open beta. this is coming from a non sweaty gamer who enjoys the process instead of just min maxing and rushing to get the highest raid parse, which is the most pathetic way to play a game ever
it's very unfortunate that zoomers started attaching themselves to minmaxing and being the best in their video game rather than just enjoying playing the game and calling tryhards fricking nerds
Most of my friends only wanted to play games on max difficulty or minmaxx in games without modes. Sooner or later you burn out or buy games only to play them once and never look at them again.
just play turtle, i used to be an ardent nochanges vanilla gay, didnt even bother with SoD because giving money to blizzard when they show they have no respect for your time by not banning any bots is stupid af. Anyways, I've been playing on turtle for a week now and the changes feel really well integrated into the game, if you can put up with the occasional guy in some pink store bought mount that is
i tried leveling a new character in retail WoW recently, and it feels really shitty because its too easy. the mobs die in one hit. i understand questing isnt supposed to be hard. but they went too far in the other direction, the mobs are now so easy that there is no sense of using any rotation at all. when i quest, i at least want to feel like i am using my normal rotation.
Classic is 100% it's own game that entirely different from the current retail game. It is worth playing and experiencing if you are looking for a 2004 MMO experience.
God is coming back, my future brother or sister in Christ. He created the two biological genders and told us when He arrives humankind will commiting the sin of genetic engineering again. This time He will burn the Earth.
Have you looked around? Microplastics and genetically modified organisms everywhere, and you'll live to see man-made horrors that make you wish you could go back. There's only one book that says the world destroyer is the good guy and His book is the Bible.
Plastic fricking rules though. Yeah, we went overboard but come on.
You sound like a fricking hippie going on about the evil GMOs. Oh no, hardier plants with higher yields, how evil! God save us (by killing us all?)!!
If you want the world to end so bad, go play in traffic. Leave the rest of us out of it.
My future brother in Christ, I'm talking about microplastics in blood. Bankers are building bunkers. A comet flew past the Earth closer than satellite orbit and the media didn't tell you. God promised He will return and destroy the Earth in fire. How many video games show a good guy who's the destroyer of the world? Only those who fight against Him will land in the Lake of Fire together with Satan, the others will be saved.
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Yeah but what if you're wrong? Again? Like you always are?
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When was the last time a Apocalypse has been depicted as something good, the world destroyer as someone to welcome, and doomsday enjoyers as people to look after?
The propaganda wouldn't be necessary if they weren't losing.
If you've ever played a realtime RPG before, then yeah, it'll be fun. It's still one of my favorite games ever, lots of fond memories. I wouldn't recommend playing on Blizz servers though, there are plenty of private vanilla servers with large enough populations. While not strictly vanilla WoW, I prefer Turtle myself. It's pretty much vanilla+, the devs based it might re around Warcraft 3 with custom content and even restored some things here and there from the beta. Last I played it, they had just added goblins to horde and high elves to alliance. The community is very friendly and there are even a lot of us that roleplay and such too.
You pick up classic, and you subject yourself to min/maxing tryhards and trolls that prefer to play the game more like an esport rather than a cozy rpg. Chat channels are also almost unusable with all the Chinese gold scammers and shit.
If you're playing solo without friends, I recommend a class that can either heal or has a pet like hunter or warlock. Hybrid classes like druid and shaman are good too, just don't choose paladin unless you have someone to group up with most of the time. Leveling a paladin solo is agonizing.
Also, remember it's an MMO, not a single player game. After a while, you'll find you can hardly progress at all unless you group up with people. The XP rates back then we're so low that you could finish all the quests in each zone for your level and still have 5 more levels to grind out, so dungeons are pretty much mandatory from levels 35 onward.
As a full on WoW Vanilla veteran, I think I know this subject very well by first hand experience.
The answer isn't so black and white, it's very nuanced.
Of course the original Vanilla experience is the best, but that is long gone, the current remake "Classic" isn't really the same thing.
Also, to get the full MMO experience, you want to play retail which is consistently evolving, the problem is retail is bloated and a messy narrative because it's streamlined to be skipped and jump around storylines.
So long story short, you want to dabble and taste the original Vanilla experience, unfortunately inveesting time and effort into "Classic" really isn't quite the same thing in 2024.
I'd say it's still worth looking into it, but don't get heavily invested into the character you create since "Classic" is a dead end in comparison to live retail.
yeah but you know I'm right. Battlegrounds ranking sucked. no arenas. most classes didn't really feel complete until lvl 70. It was a great qol expansion and I was satisfied with Illidan as the final boss as WC3 was the reason I played wow at all.
If you're new to Warcraft start with the RTS games. Warcraft I & II are both available on GOG and you can find a torrent or download for Warcraft III with the Frozen Throne expansion online.
Part of the charm of WoW was that you got to adventure in that world, without that context or attachment to the setting it's little more than generic MMO fare. Ultimately don't even bother with the MMO as the magic has been gone from the game and Blizzard for a long time, just play original Warcraft games and move on.
I tried playing for the first time like a week ago >joined the most popular server >literally found nobody for about an hour >tried a season of discovery server (some shit where you get new abilities idk) >did all the early quests with a guy >he left >walked around asking people around my level if they wanted to group >99% of the time they say no, 1% of the time they say nothing, invite me, silently kill 10 whatevers, then say ty and disband the group
Its still kind of fun but its mostly you by yourself killing the same thing over and over or running a half marathon to get anywhere
>ask randos to do a dungeon >do dungeon with them >add them as friends >at next dungeon go to friends list first and ask whomever is level appropriate if they want to go >run dungeon >add possible new people to list >repeat this until level 60 >some players made it, some didnt >the ones who did make it become your 5-man core and guildies
It was a simpler time...
Yeah but just play on the era servers
The sod servers are full of sweaty tryhards who think minmaxing in a game that can be beaten by moronic 11 year olds makes them "elite gamers"
A genre played by 30+ year olds that are coping over an era that no longer exists. This genre needs to be put to rest. The idea of it ever being good died in 2009. Just let it go, MMOs suck. They will never be good. The potential is already squandered so just put it to rest.
no, probably the worst one to start with (or play at all) just play retail WoW if you're gonna play
moron alert
It's a shitty game. Play something else
Is there another MMO that is actually active?
Every MMO is a horrible game
I get a MMO itch every now and then
>FFXIV
I don't like the setting
>Guild Wars 2
Tried it and I was really confused for some reason, I don't understand this game at all, maybe I'm just stupid
>Elder Scrolls Online
Same as above
Ideally I'd play Lineage 2 but I think it's dead or something
gonna shill my favorite: city of heroes. it shutdown but the private servers have the leaked source code. its fun for a short while and has a ton of depth to the character creator and power choices.
>played a villain minion master named beef wellington
>name mionions after cuts like a big dude named tbone and small ones filet mignon
stupid but still makes me lol
I've played all three.
>FFXIV
Was fun for a bit, but I got sick of going through all of the story quests, and at the end of the campaign I was greeted with more story quests, so I dropped the game entirely.
>GW2
A personal favorite of mine, the combat is engaging and there's a lot to do. Also helps that there's no subscription service, so you don't have to pay for it monthly
>ESO
Ive tried getting into it, but it just doesnt click with me all that well. Even after all these years it doesn't feel that great to play
>classic
>active
lul
the world is empty and dead
most people are autistic tryhard sperglords who just do end-game content on repeat and whose sole pleasure from the game comes from seeing numbers go up
Sod is extremely active
Wrath classic is kinda dead because its literally the last month before next expac but you can still find ICC pugs
Even on weekdays
FFXIV, Guild Wars 2, and Elder Scrolls Online are the most active.
BDO is active enough to enjoy.
DDO is less active but still active enough to get a group going.
Yes OP, especially when Cata is going to drop soon. Anyone telling you not to play WoW in this thread is from the FFXIV general or their discord where they brigade wow threads
>FFXIV, Guild Wars 2, and Elder Scrolls Online are the most active.
LMAO WoW has 3x the pop of those games
runescape
Is it worth getting into? The learning curve seems pretty steep
Extremely. The free to play side of the game is the entire tutorial and there's plenty of content in there to get you started. The writing is top notch and the game has the best methods of traversing the world in any mmo
The popular MMORPGs are so "solo player friendly" you rarely interact with other players. Try to care less about active player count when choosing a MMORPG.
which ones care about interactions?
Foxhole because it has proximity voice chat and promotes team play.
OSRS or FFXIV
Stop playing MMOs. They're gay.
Any Minecraft server
Wotlk pservers, other wow expansions and MMO's are garbo made for americans (homosexuals).
no, you missed the train (three times) as classic is heavily dependent on the "community" despite what the average virgin sperg with 0 social contact will tell you
like this beta cuck for example
your best bet is maybe check the pserver scene out, there are a few servers coming out soon that MIGHT be alright but obviously not gonna advertise them cuz some autist will screech SHILL at the top of his virgin lungs
don't give nu-blizz any money
Yes.
It's a game that doesn't make a difference between dark elves and wood elves of course it's good.
This.
But also this.
It is the logical first step
do not ever ask about video games on Ganker. but yes, especially with cata classic and mop redux coming out. might as well play through them as they were at the time.
yeah but not retail, go to turtlewow (it's run by troons but unfortunately it's the best we currently got)
im literally force at gunpoint to play wow, due to all other mmos being dogshit or weeb.
You are 15-20 years late to pick up MMORPGs. Just cope with it and play something else.
No, because Blizzard's legacy-servers are some of the worst implementations of their respective expansions; you're better off playing on private servers that tend to be better where it counts in server quality, management, community. I don't think there's been Classic FRESH (fresh relaunch server) recently either, which would nevertheless be a rather weighty argument - WoW is a vertical progression game and leveling content will be "dead" since most players start the game at server launch and at some point will be "done". When the game was released, it was novel in that leveling is fully soloable so you don't HAVE to play FRESH, but the world feeling lively does add charm to it.
As for playing vanilla (1.x version of the game)? Well, that would be a logical place to start, although I would point out that 1) vanilla endgame is shit, and infested with the most toxic brand of speedrunners (as speedrunning is the only way to add even a veneer to legitimacy to the content, being as trivial as it is otherwise); 2) you can do the world and leveling content with better class mechanics and added content in TBC, Wrath, or any of the "Classic+" private servers (such as Turtle-WoW, or the upcoming Project Epoch).
>you're better off playing on private servers that tend to be better where it counts in server quality, management, community
Holy shit I've never seen more thirdie cope than this.
>n-no, don't play on official servers with legitimate admins and server support of a multi-billion dollar company, you have to play on this server which could be shutdown at any time and is run by corrupt euros who let anyone buy top-tier gear because it's all I can afford!!!
And just for you
>blizzard simp
>buy an add
>$0.1 has been deposited into your Blizzard account
>ywnbaw
don't be like this broken cuckold
stuck forever paying for liquid dogshit praising the "amazing admins and server support" ayy lmao fricking delusional blizzdrone
post your char name here so you can get massreported and autobanned by other blizzdrones
>buy top-tier gear
you mean just like retail group finder being spammed with hundreds of mythic sale runs? kek fricking braindead Black person ape
>giving money to blizzard in current_year
just play a private server
vanilla is comfty and if you find a fresh server you can make some early game frens
if you're interested in retail, trial accounts are free so you can see the difference in gameplay
Are 1.12 servers even popular anymore? I thought people were kinda over them and either play turtle wow or season of discovery.
I still play Classic Era when I'm tried of FFXIV.
It's just comfy.
not sure tbh
last one I heard about was everlook but I've been playing other stuff recently
>cuckold
>blizzdrone
>Black person ape
You are trying too hard to fit in, Timmy. Come back when you grow a little more
Meant to
I wonder if there's a game server that allows you to play on all expansions but doesn't allow the new races and classes.
There's very few BFA/DF servers to begin with since Blizz actually figured out some form of DRM.
I can live with that.
why even play on someones shitty private server when you can play your own solo custom lan server with bots? it's literally that easy
sounds comfy
will this do? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zic3vG5fApI
>Hungarian
of course they're everywhere machines are. the guy who invented military grade brain reader scans was one too.
It genuinely is. You also get to be the master of your domain so you and your friends IRL can perform RPmaxxing, or safely explore raids without sweaties, or wiener about in BGs or the world by going against fully buffed bots. One time we even summoned the elemental in AV, something that could never be done on retail these days because of morons rushing.
I never looked much into the solo server stuff.
Is it possible to make your own classes with them like making a lifestealing tank sorta like a deathknight but in vanilla?
everything is open source, so if you know how to code, yes.
Yes, don't listen to ff14 schizos.
If you'd go for WoW, just go for SoD since it has more active players than all other versions right now.
Though, don't let other people fool you, it is essentially retail packaged as classic.
Hell, no, classic sucks ass in $CURRENT_DAY if you haven't been living under a rock since 2004.
Yes, it's the best version and you should probably stick with it if you're gonna play.
Not now.
You missed the boat.
You either got on when it launched the first time or got on when classic launched.
The problem with WoW is that every instance of the game is so fundamentally different from each other that you can't really use your experience in one as a means of getting into another.
>Retail/Modern WoW
Everything worth doing is contained to the region of the latest expansion. This iteration of WoW is all about endgame and has the worst form of scaling implemented until you get to the level bracket of the expansion. You can dick around in the free trial until lvl 20 to see if any class seems fun though.
>Classic Vanilla
Never played it on release but I think the economy is fricked beyond repair because of bots/goldsellers/etc.
>Classic SoD
Streamer-slop. A terrible place to start.
>Classic WoTLK
GDKP will ruin your fun if you don't meet a guild of normal people to run raids with
>Classic Hardcore
This is where I started. Getting 1-60 on my Nelf Priest is something I'll never forget. Easily my favorite experience playing WoW
Playing private servers might be the best way to get into the game/genre. But if you are set on playing on Blizzard Servers, I would say that Wrath > Classic > Dragonflight > SoD > Hardcore. Warth is easier to level than Classic where Dragonflight is more of as single-player RPG until you get to latest expansion where everyone is. Season of Discovery is a remake of Classic with Retails features. Hardcore is Classic with permadeath mechanic.
Yes, if it's actual Vanilla. In SoD you're way too strong, it ruins the leveling process... which is the entire point of Vanilla WoW.
My very first experience with WoW was back in 2017-2018 on a 1.12 (ie, Vanilla) private server, the game aged surprisingly well: I expected to quit after a few days, I ended up playing all the way to level 60.
>if your MMO does not have at least 6 million active players, it's completely dead.
>playerbase is spread across 50+ servers
>all group content is instanced, most of it requires no more than five players
>you never see big groups because of phasing, sharding and what not
>everyone is busy playing their own singleplayer campaign and solo questing
A Minecraft server with 20 players online is more alive than some of the "big" MMORPGs these days.
>play "dead" mmo
>world size is small and and there's only a few servers
>game feels live because of global chat and you are constantly seeing other people because small world size focused around starting town
Like imagine if runescape had the balls that the entire game area was limited to the F2P areas. The game could have a 3 digit player count and still feel alive.
BDO feels like this sometimes.
World is huge, but all the places a new player would gravitate towards usually has a lot of people and server chat is pretty lively.
I think it's because there isn't really an end game hub like WoW or XIV has.
It's a shame about the games big problems, otherwise it'd be something I could recommend. But it's shite and there's barely any group content that isn't a pvp meatgrinder.
i want to make friends in an mmo. is that even possible anymore?
Enjoy solo grinding
Yes, definitely. I'd suggest playing Classic at least for the first 5 or 10 levels, if you enjoy it keep going, otherwise, check out retail after.
I really like it, so I'd say that yes, it's worth it. The classic era realms aren't as bad as people say they are, but they definitely have problems. If you don't want to wait for a fresh server and are OK playing catch up and leveling to 60 mostly by yourself, era servers are a good choice for playing vanilla right now. Unfortunately, I can't recommend any private servers. The last one I played extensively was Everlook, and the Chinese players ruined that server. I did still manage to find a good guild and make some memories, but seeing it all get destroyed by chinks was awful. If only I'd realized it was dead from day 1 instead of putting 700+ hours in to my human warlock. As for custom, "vanilla+" servers, I find the very concept odious and stupid. Vanilla is perfect just the way it is, and the changes these server administrators make are moronic. The same logic applies to this Season of Discovery garbage, too.
All in all, unless you want to level to 60 on hard-core and then transfer to an era server, which is definitely a good option if you can stomach it, era servers are your best choice. Avoid (most) of the chink infestation and play the game normally if you can. Alternatively, just wait for a fresh that region locks asian players out.
Dont listen to this fricking moron no one is playing era vanilla, literally sub 50 player realms all around
I entered my old realm to check out of it was that empty
2 people in all of orgrimmar
OP, if you're serious about starting the game. I'd recommend you start with retail but before you start playing be sure to do a lot of research into the game and make sure it's something you think will be fun to play. The game can be very overwhelming so please do your research.
yes unless you want to play with gaygits and wanna be esports trannies
Which race has the sexiest girls?
Pre-BC? Canonically night elves because they don't have cottage cheese nor flabs.
No, everything blizzard touches gets fricked, including their failure to copy paste a 20 years old game.
Project Epoch is going to be the closest thing to replicating that actual feeling of what a "classic" community should be. No questing add ons, won't be big enough for a wiki that explains how to do everything, no centralized communities deciding what's "meta" or not, no easy to find BIS lists that sweats will demand you have before doing easy content.
It will either be a classic renaissance or DoA, but I'm hopeful
Yep I played a bit of the beta, very good and well done, some balancing issues with new spells but quite far from the shitshow of SoD, will definitely play the release.
uhh the furry was perma banned so it will never succeed
What's the quick rundown on Project Epoch anyway? Is it revamping the whole vanilla world or is it like Turtlewow and mainly adding stuff on top of it?
>Vanilla world with TBC talents (with some tweaking, like buffing 2h enhancement, making buffs raidwide, giving furor wolfshead helm bonuses by default, and some new skills here and there like rogues getting combo point transfer ability from Cata) on Wrath client, with stuff like items giving % hit/crit (rather than ratings) backported to Wrath, and 2.3 experience and quest elite status changes reversed
>No draenei/blood elves, but new race/class combos like undead paladin, human hunter and dwarf shaman, with their own class quests and stuff
>Many hundreds of custom quests and a bunch of new dungeons and raids, some just sprinkled in, others in new (or newly accessible, dancing troll village and such) subzones
>A lot of rebalancing, like professions that are more than trap options, even at low levels, and dungeon drops that are useful
>Endgame dungeon difficulty somewhere around easier pre-nerf or more difficult post-nerf TBC heroics
>undead paladin
Dropped. Get that gay-ass 'Lightforged Undead' and adjacent shit out of my face, WoW lore truly died the moment they let that happen.
I guess they really wanted Alliance shamans and Horde paladins.
This, but only WC3.
I'd rather they give us tauren paladins like in retail than give it to the fricking undead, the least appropriate race to be that class.
I can kind of understand why, even though I agree with you. Lordaeron had paladins and undead priests can still use the light.
mor ladim is literally an undead paladin
Not exactly a "quick" rundown but they've got a lot of info on their site. If you're like me just this page will have you salivating and you'll read everything else they have on the site
https://www.project-epoch.net/images
heard there is alot of bugs, low drop rate on gear and all enemies being buffed. made for veterans in mind. you better off playing Turtle wow.
It is too late. The golden days are over
>no blood elf = no buy
simple as
it used to. not anymore
yeah but you're 5 years too late
classic wow is the definition of a pay2play and waste your time game. The entire thing is designed behind it.
>male
>bearded
>sassy pose
MMMMMMHMMMM....
YOU GO GIRL!
He's shifting from one leg to the other.
I'm not an eceleb person, but I've been watching day9 who started playing wow with classic for the first time and it's really fascinating seeing the new player experience.
Obviously him stopping every 3 minutes to tell the toddlers in his chat to stop backseating ruins it, but it's cool seeing a new player play.
wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too late
why is he standing so seductively?..
why are his pants so tight...
play wow sod, most fun I've had in wow since open beta. this is coming from a non sweaty gamer who enjoys the process instead of just min maxing and rushing to get the highest raid parse, which is the most pathetic way to play a game ever
Minmaxxing is a killjoy.
it's very unfortunate that zoomers started attaching themselves to minmaxing and being the best in their video game rather than just enjoying playing the game and calling tryhards fricking nerds
Most of my friends only wanted to play games on max difficulty or minmaxx in games without modes. Sooner or later you burn out or buy games only to play them once and never look at them again.
just play turtle, i used to be an ardent nochanges vanilla gay, didnt even bother with SoD because giving money to blizzard when they show they have no respect for your time by not banning any bots is stupid af. Anyways, I've been playing on turtle for a week now and the changes feel really well integrated into the game, if you can put up with the occasional guy in some pink store bought mount that is
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go on a private server, 2x exp and such, too.
also, you just kill stuff mostly, and do raids.
i tried leveling a new character in retail WoW recently, and it feels really shitty because its too easy. the mobs die in one hit. i understand questing isnt supposed to be hard. but they went too far in the other direction, the mobs are now so easy that there is no sense of using any rotation at all. when i quest, i at least want to feel like i am using my normal rotation.
>recently
Here's your problem.
Did retail classic keep the old gameplay?
Haven't tried it yet.
why wouldn't it be?
It was 4 years ago but it's too late now
Classic is 100% it's own game that entirely different from the current retail game. It is worth playing and experiencing if you are looking for a 2004 MMO experience.
No, because you need other people to do the content, and people aren't playing classic except for SoD, and SoD is the most retail ass shit now.
I liked the south park episode. That's a positive.
The same sub is for classic and retail both, so just try it and find out
you came a few years to late.
>Genders
Yuck, so outdated.
God is coming back, my future brother or sister in Christ. He created the two biological genders and told us when He arrives humankind will commiting the sin of genetic engineering again. This time He will burn the Earth.
>He will burn the Earth
why
Have you looked around? Microplastics and genetically modified organisms everywhere, and you'll live to see man-made horrors that make you wish you could go back. There's only one book that says the world destroyer is the good guy and His book is the Bible.
Plastic fricking rules though. Yeah, we went overboard but come on.
You sound like a fricking hippie going on about the evil GMOs. Oh no, hardier plants with higher yields, how evil! God save us (by killing us all?)!!
If you want the world to end so bad, go play in traffic. Leave the rest of us out of it.
My future brother in Christ, I'm talking about microplastics in blood. Bankers are building bunkers. A comet flew past the Earth closer than satellite orbit and the media didn't tell you. God promised He will return and destroy the Earth in fire. How many video games show a good guy who's the destroyer of the world? Only those who fight against Him will land in the Lake of Fire together with Satan, the others will be saved.
Yeah but what if you're wrong? Again? Like you always are?
When was the last time a Apocalypse has been depicted as something good, the world destroyer as someone to welcome, and doomsday enjoyers as people to look after?
The propaganda wouldn't be necessary if they weren't losing.
If you've ever played a realtime RPG before, then yeah, it'll be fun. It's still one of my favorite games ever, lots of fond memories. I wouldn't recommend playing on Blizz servers though, there are plenty of private vanilla servers with large enough populations. While not strictly vanilla WoW, I prefer Turtle myself. It's pretty much vanilla+, the devs based it might re around Warcraft 3 with custom content and even restored some things here and there from the beta. Last I played it, they had just added goblins to horde and high elves to alliance. The community is very friendly and there are even a lot of us that roleplay and such too.
You pick up classic, and you subject yourself to min/maxing tryhards and trolls that prefer to play the game more like an esport rather than a cozy rpg. Chat channels are also almost unusable with all the Chinese gold scammers and shit.
If you're playing solo without friends, I recommend a class that can either heal or has a pet like hunter or warlock. Hybrid classes like druid and shaman are good too, just don't choose paladin unless you have someone to group up with most of the time. Leveling a paladin solo is agonizing.
Also, remember it's an MMO, not a single player game. After a while, you'll find you can hardly progress at all unless you group up with people. The XP rates back then we're so low that you could finish all the quests in each zone for your level and still have 5 more levels to grind out, so dungeons are pretty much mandatory from levels 35 onward.
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As a full on WoW Vanilla veteran, I think I know this subject very well by first hand experience.
The answer isn't so black and white, it's very nuanced.
Of course the original Vanilla experience is the best, but that is long gone, the current remake "Classic" isn't really the same thing.
Also, to get the full MMO experience, you want to play retail which is consistently evolving, the problem is retail is bloated and a messy narrative because it's streamlined to be skipped and jump around storylines.
So long story short, you want to dabble and taste the original Vanilla experience, unfortunately inveesting time and effort into "Classic" really isn't quite the same thing in 2024.
I'd say it's still worth looking into it, but don't get heavily invested into the character you create since "Classic" is a dead end in comparison to live retail.
Wait, why isnt Classic era vanilla?
don't listen to this anon. TBC was the best. Vanilla was overly grindy slop with shitty balancing.
Shit take
yeah but you know I'm right. Battlegrounds ranking sucked. no arenas. most classes didn't really feel complete until lvl 70. It was a great qol expansion and I was satisfied with Illidan as the final boss as WC3 was the reason I played wow at all.
Only Raids were better in tbc
nobody liked bg rankings in vanilla. nobody like 8 hour alterac valley after a few months. Flying mounts are kino.
no.
If you're new to Warcraft start with the RTS games. Warcraft I & II are both available on GOG and you can find a torrent or download for Warcraft III with the Frozen Throne expansion online.
Part of the charm of WoW was that you got to adventure in that world, without that context or attachment to the setting it's little more than generic MMO fare. Ultimately don't even bother with the MMO as the magic has been gone from the game and Blizzard for a long time, just play original Warcraft games and move on.
Also
If you aren't planning to play in a group most of the time I would recommend against rolling on pvp servers because you will get killed a lot
I tried playing for the first time like a week ago
>joined the most popular server
>literally found nobody for about an hour
>tried a season of discovery server (some shit where you get new abilities idk)
>did all the early quests with a guy
>he left
>walked around asking people around my level if they wanted to group
>99% of the time they say no, 1% of the time they say nothing, invite me, silently kill 10 whatevers, then say ty and disband the group
Its still kind of fun but its mostly you by yourself killing the same thing over and over or running a half marathon to get anywhere
Nowadays you need irl friends or get lucky. Back in the day it was much easier to find "online friends".
>ask randos to do a dungeon
>do dungeon with them
>add them as friends
>at next dungeon go to friends list first and ask whomever is level appropriate if they want to go
>run dungeon
>add possible new people to list
>repeat this until level 60
>some players made it, some didnt
>the ones who did make it become your 5-man core and guildies
It was a simpler time...
Back then, "srs bsns" was a joke.
Classic players are like 40 year old dads do you really think they have time to talk to you
Yeah but just play on the era servers
The sod servers are full of sweaty tryhards who think minmaxing in a game that can be beaten by moronic 11 year olds makes them "elite gamers"
Just dont play it at all, its too late man
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No. When’s fresh?
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It's a "you had to be there" experience. I despise the way retail works and would recommend SoD if you wanted to test WoW out.
Yes. Try season of discovery, its popping off
play classic season of discovery instead.
BGC BVLLS torturing human bois with their half meter long green willies
Is warmane still the only high populated wotlk server?
A genre played by 30+ year olds that are coping over an era that no longer exists. This genre needs to be put to rest. The idea of it ever being good died in 2009. Just let it go, MMOs suck. They will never be good. The potential is already squandered so just put it to rest.