>All the familiar names are full doomin'
>Currently sending out emails for its 23rd deep sale since release
>WoW token prices are disastrous as nobody is selling them anymore because the casuals all quit and don't need to buy gold off blizzard for raid boosties
>PVP numbers the worst they have ever been, in the highest tier of content its down to a literal handful of people and in general only a few thousand players left
>Raids are at the lowest numbers they have ever been
>Mythic+ is player retention poison, one comp, the lowest numbers they have ever had and the biggest reason people are citing for dropping the game if they bought the expansion to begin with
>The worst selling expansion to any blizzard product ever
>More devs quit than ever before from the WoW team, having to bring in 20+ unskilled, learn on the job college leavers to try and do the work of one experienced dev taking 20+ years of experience with them
>Cash shop bigger than ever
>Most expensive subscription fee for an mmo in history
>Starting to ease in the monetisation of their battlepass funbux currency to milk the addicts even more
>Player numbers so catastrophic and nobody is coming back so they are resorting to attempts to increase how much more they can monetise each rat still living in bobbys maze
>All the streamers and youtubers moved on to variety content
>Blizzards CEO Mike "bobbys little b***h boy" Ybarra actually resorting to giving away sub time on his twitter to try and get even one person to come back to this disaster.
>Leaving behind a game now made by gay, furry transvestites for gay, furry transvestites.
We always said on Blizzard could make the real WoW killer. Did it finally arrive with Dragonslop?
>Dashing Buccaneers SLOPS
holy, this game is still around? It felt tired and old in 2010. Who the frick still plays this?
Lonely middle aged dudes pushing 40 that suffer from arrested development and habit forming personalities that never mentally got past being 14. They wasted their best years on this game and now they are fat and balding they chase mount number 789 hoping this time, finally this time, it will be the MOUNTSMOGGSCHEEVOS to fill the void and make it all matter.
Literally me.
Pick up a hobby, go on walks listening to audiobooks or start a vegetable garden. Its never too late to find out who you could have been before this game stole your destiny away.
nice try
I've already pushed past 40
this guy
at least post that one black human futroony that constantly posts in wowg and that everyone in that thread orbits like flies on shit
that's the same guy bro, its his alt
Oh, okay. I didn't know that. I rescind my b***hpost, then.
The general has only recently started to fight back, but he's a dedicated autist with an army of orbiters who raid the general and spam porn and mass report any post against them, openly erping in the thread and crying other people arent "talking about WoW"
>but he's a dedicated autist with an army of orbiters who raid the general and spam porn
>openly erping in the thread
Of course they would.
Troon game.
At least the silver lining is that people fighting back is definitely having an effect. He has slowed down his avatargayging because he's scared that he gets dogpiled everytime he posts now. He's been banned/suspended multiple times he usually just evades right away but the last one he actually was too scared to post his avatar for the full 3 days.
His autism prevents him from fully stopping though. He just has to beg for attention still. He can't wait long.
He just woke up
prepare for derailment
that's worse than the autist
just like the pso2 general?
>'straight 28 year old male'
>can't ERP without a huge penis being the center of attention
He's a troony but doesn't want to admit it. He doesn't even want to admit he's gay.
>pronouns
>futa
>"femmes"
lol
lmao
Eugh, lame ass erp right there. Just gimee the goblin dickgirls without the fricking preamble on your meaningless personal life.
my 5 year old daughter likes flying around on the dragons and that is the only reason I have been subbed to the game for the past 6 months.
>LIKE WHAT I LIKE
>HOBBY MY HOBBYS
>BE ME
God help her if you ever go full Ready Player One.
OR the kid saw him playing it at one point and asked if he could try it too
>Child: dad can I fly around on that game you were playing?
>Anon: sure
>Gankeredditor: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>my 5 year old daughter
*hits pipe*
Furries. That's literally it
nah, see
shadowlands had already killed it years ago
>make an entire expansion around scalies
>surprised when it fails
All forms of furgays are utterly repulsive, and nobody wants anything to do with you.
unironically this.
The playerbase wow has is 30-40 year old straight men who play to maintain social bonds with guildies or whatever. Trying to pander toward the scaley sexual deviants under the age of 25 was a ridiculous idea. Of course it flopped.
its dead
>Make game M+ simulator 2K23
>Filter your casuals that were actually your bedrock loyalist supporter numbers with no standards
>Suddenly without the Boosted Barries tokens are not going up
>Poopsock addicts can't rely on casual paypigs to buy their gold for boosts to pay for their sub
>Poopsockers don't want to actually pay a sub fee for warlo and follow them in unsubbing
Its a snowball effect. The games bleeding out.
Casuals wete never bedrock
who was?
Making the game inaccessible for its target audience and pandering to Streamers, poopsockers, world first and competitive cucks literally destroyed their game. I don't care.
The fact that they have gold selling in the game is already proof that the game went to shit.
Who the frick wants to pay $15 a month for warcraft in the current year
It won't die, theyll just roll the subscription into gamepass ultimate next year and itll be like ten zillion tourists
whats your favorite wow girl?
Kyrestia my beloved
wow, thats very specific
not that many kyrian enjoyers around
it was Chromie. but...well. i'll never forgive them for taking her away
peak character design
God I wish human females were real
or Tyrande old design
Why can't they look like that in WoW...
Because WoW is running on a 20 year old engine
My wife Valtrois.
I think Jaina?
There's not a single character I care about for their personality or lore or anything, but Jaina just has nice, pale honkers.
Sally Whitemane
Azshara fr fr
So glad they gave her voice to the player's female night elf too.
Debi Mae West had her voice fricked over by smoking a lot.
And by Blizzard forcing her to sound like Batman in Legion and HoTS.
Whitemane. She can make my champion arise anyday.
Having played this game on and off for around 8 years I'm gonna celebrate when it finally closes down, it's gonna be a huge party and everyone is invited.
I dropped the game for FFXIV back during the year of Siege of Orgimmar. No regrets but its still sad to see what it turned into.
I had a friend try and draw me back recently since his guilds a ghost town and when i asked about the gay frogs, gay weddings and troony dragons he got really quiet and red in the face and changed the subject. He doesn't try to pull me back in anymore.
They are brothers in Russia, stuff is hilarious, full Hulk Hohan parody: "Brother, will you be my brother".
Surprising, considering the game isnt available since Shadowlands
>I dropped the game for [dead dogshit]
lol
You would live a happier life if you didn't let XIV live rent free in your head as your permanent chrono trigger. No mmo stays on top forever. Everquest burned out, WoW burned out, in ten years i am sure XIV will as well.
You either move on or stay hanging around like a guy who blew his knee out doing high school football and still regularly brings it up at the local bar in his 40's and nobody cares. You don't owe a videogame your time if you aren't still having fun.
you brought it up randomly in a wow thread, b***h homie
>expansion that's been out for a year vs expansion just announced and major features are still hidden
stay mad
didnt you have the troonyfest just a month ago?
lol
You people worship trannies harder than Christians worship fairy tales.
Current WoW is trash but XIV is even worse. MSQ is the most boring, worthless piece of shit I've ever experienced in a MMO. It's not even challenging, just a boring slog of an experience.
they think that by quitting wow for a deader, worse version of it is some great life decision lmao
OP is fricked beyond belief
OP didn't mention your boogeyman though?
>rent free
>10 years
homie I play ffxiv and it's dying aa lot faster than that. The ERP/casual scene is strong, but the dev team keeps simplifying jobs so that they all play the same around a 2 minute burst window. They keep bringing the skill ceiling lower and lower so that you have to deep dove into autism if you want to do any better than people who are playing the class for the first time. On top of that they're done the raid tier for the expansion already, but the next one doesn't come out until next summer. They're releasing an ultimate raid fight for the top 1%, but midcore players have literally nothing to do for a year. Subs are going to plummet hard between now and then, and even harder if they don't go back on their simplification design next expansion. I read a lot of people saying that the combat direction of next expansion will determine if they keep playing or not.
swapping one piece of shit for another piece of shit
No, bfa and more importantly shadowlands killed wow. Anyone who quit from the nightmare that was shadowlands would never come back for dragonflight. The lack of interest in dragonflight is simply the result of the mass exodus
I tried Dragonflight and mechanically it's okay, but the story and setting are just insanely milquetoast and boring. There's literally nothing engaging about it. The zones look nice, but I don't care what's going on in any of them. I levelled a character from scratch in a few old zones and found that even the Cata stuff is much more engaging and interesting than the current expansion. Eventually you reach DF content, you're funnelled into those shit zones, and the internet just disappears.
All the effort goes into the endless skinner box of bigger number pushing that is mythic+
>kill off every villain of note -no coomer kun azshara was always just a shitty waifu your wank material is not a good character
>kill death itself in the floating bowls that still require you to have a job and pay repair bills
>out level the afterlife
>devs all leave and get replaced by gay furries
>n-now here are these anthro scalies that are all disabled or gay haha, power of the aspects dragonrider!
Its fricking sad. WoW running out of rts plot and becoming a zombie IP like Halo or Stargate where they try to power tier in new threats was always going to happen when they've said 200k addicts could still turn a profit but its still a fricking bummer to see it become... this.
they were obviously trying to lean into the feeling of Pandaria but completely missed the mark. It all feels soulless and vapid; you can tell the closest thing to passion that went into the new game was fat girls and trannies giddy at getting ESG points and slipping their fetishes in. It feels like the sort of setting and writing that modern Pixar would shit out. The voice actors all sounding like they're scared to speak certainly doesn't help.
I have never run M+ and never will, it's shit.
yeah it was literally this
>Mists of Pandaria: "Why do we fight? why do the leaves fall. Its in our nature. The true question is what is worth fighting for."
>Dragonslop: Gay frogs i am HERE for it!, Tha s00p!, He's called Stony Tony by the community and its EVERYTHING. Thank science the wheelchair dragon is disabled!
The game peaked at Throne of Thunder.
>The game peaked at Throne of Thunder.
truer words never spoken, it'd immediately slid down the shitter after Pandaria and never recovered.
Dragons are a terrible idea for an xpac. Dragons are the gaygiest, limp wristed fantasy trope in the genre next to elves. Dragons were done with Cata. WoW needs to go back to Warcraft fantasy. The light, nerubians etc.
Perhaps i treated you too harshly...
Cata-Legion is the golden age of WoW.
If you are a raidgay maybe.
Best settings, raids, PvP gearing, class design, and questing.
Vanilla-Wrath is too easy. Disc priest didn't even have atonement until cata and Ele sham was shit until Wrath. Classic can suck my DICK.
Stony the MOTHERFRICKING Tony
You'd think they'd finally try something else other than
also the M+ system is dogshit, the moment they ditched the normal / heroic / raid setup the game went to utter shit.
I really wish there was a community of like minded, non-terminally online, not terminally mentally ill, non dysgenic chuds where I could complain about some of the recent changes in the lore and presentation to better suit the current generation's sensibilities.
There is a lot of bite missing from the world when you see dragons in wheel chairs or snarky elvish scientist women. The chuds have made it so no one sane can complain about this without being labeled as insufferable
>go to /vg/wowg to voice my complaints
>get dogpiled by addicts who say i'm a schizo who doesnt play the game and that im posting off topic
/wowg/ has been a running joke from the start. I should know i made the original general (it was arthas on the frozen throne as the image) there when you couldn't talk about WoW on Ganker anymore and gave up making them when a female blood elf turned the general into a beta orbiter cult then vanished when someone found out they were not in fact a qt3.5 uguu blonde bimbo irl but a fat old man from arkansas.
All that general exists for is "gooning" to totally-not-gay futa night elfs, dreanei and worgen and thats all that keeps it from going off page 10 with 20 replies.
Yeah but snaketrap tho…
All vg generals exist only because mentally ill coomers post. If there are no coomers the general slows down while bleeding people till only schizos remain
Terminally online mentally ill disgenic chuds are the only ones who care about lore.
I am sorry you had to find out this way.
Of course WoW cannibalized itself. If you were paying attention, you would have seen the exact moment it died with the Cataclysm cinematic.
>Vanilla: Here are generics of some of the major races, each of them racially iconic and unique. These are the characters you will be making. This is the Azeroth you will explore. This is the PvP you will engage in. We made this game for YOU.
>TBC: Here are the generic, racially iconic characters that you may have made. This is the new Draenei, and their unique atmosphere and relationship with the Light. These are the blood elves, the familiar high elves that have a sinister side to them. That setting sun represents how much they’ve fallen with the loss of the Sunwell, to the point where they will even devour harmless mana wyrms. This is the Outland you will explore. This is the PvP you will engage in. This is Illidan, and you will fight him.
>Wrath: ARTHAS ARTHAS ARTHAS (but it’s okay we’re wrapping up his story from WC3!)
>Cata (released just as Ruby Sanctum proved the game was unsalvagable): DEATHWING DEATHWING DEATHWING
Remove the players, remove the player base.
Wrath truly was peak MMO experience and nothing like it will ever exist again. Wrath didn't even deserve to be peak, it only was on the back of Vanilla and TBCs excellence, but the decline started post Ulduar.
Actual facts
Who the frick would ever pay for a limited license to play a video game anymore?
this guy
Yeah it's a shame, when I was a kid I didn't feel good asking my mom to pay a $15 subscription for me so I didn't, and once I could afford it myself I just didn't see a point. I can enjoy busywork in games - I loved Runescape grinding back in the day - but I can't in good conscience pay monthly for the privilege to partake in busywork
I'm not surprised. World of Trooncraft is complete soulless P2W irrelevant garbage rn. All the people that are even playing this shit went to hardcore, that doesn't have a stain of nu-Blizz (yet).
I still get those fricking "wow refugees" videos recommended on youtube daily where they are flocking to greener pastures like XIV.
Stay in your containment breach and do quests for your gay centaurs and troony gods please, don't infest better and more popular games.
Yeah theres been a resurgence since Dragonslop started to die off and the Dawntrail trailer dropped.
I don't give a frick about some 35 year old guy who made a living making cataclysm dungeon guides 15 years ago during college doing coil turn 1 for the first time youtube. Frankly i'd rather not know we were getting another influx of mouthbreathers crying about no addons calling them a little girl.
>Stay in your containment breach and do quests for your gay centaurs and troony gods please, don't infest better and more popular games.
This. 2021 has already wreaked enough havoc. I want WoW to continue plodding along just so wowbrained tards can stay confined in their containment.
dont miss blizzcon in 2 months
>WoW player blown away by FFXIV Ultimate weapons
>WoW Veteran finds out 5 reasons why FFXIV is better
>The EPIC Finale! Absolutely Stunlocked Over FFXIV ENDING: A Realm Reborn
MAKE THOSE moronS GO BACK TO THEIR P2W troony CONTAINMENT BREACH PLEASE
I wish I could.
I genuinely do.
They will never be as pathetic as someone posting youtube thumbnails in "wow is dead for sure!" threads
It's a decent expansion but we cleared the mythic raid early July and there's frick all to do outside raiding. M+ was never good and the next season doesn't even have a release date. Most of my guild already quit.
This is a cultist discord brigade thread. When I logged it the other day my local Aus server's Orgrimmar was packed. 2 more weeks.
The announcement trailer was a massive mistake. At least the one for Shadowlands was memorable.
The shadowlands announce cinematic is garbage, the launch cinematic is leagues better and reminds me of old WoW
There is a reason why everyone is playing Classic and only Classic.
They keep making fresh servers there and there is no bullshit like the WoW token or the hamster wheel that is modern WoW retail progression.
You can just play the game and have fun anywhere.
Retail is a massive fricking cancer that is luckily dying out now.
>gold prices reach record highs
>people need to buy gold from third party sellers to be able to afford shit
>because all the whales quit which means less WoW tokens which means less slaves who used to play the game in order to "pay" for their sub
>while other games on the market try to offer as many activities as possible WoW remains the one single game that is "raid and pvp only"
>even though raiding and pvp are much better in more modern titles.
>the lore especially post Sneedolands is also dogshit and everyone who used to give a shit no longer cares
WoW will stay relevant simply through Classic and thats it. But WoWbrains will keep shilling every new expansion like its the second coming of christ just for the hope that THIS MIGHT BE THE TIME where WoW finally gets good again. Spoiler: It won't
I'd play classic if it had dual specs, draeneis, transmogs etc.
Yeah I am spoiled.
At least Blizzard isn't dying like Sega.
>Hyenas
>Phantasy Star New Genesis
>Union
Can't say I give a shit about SEGA the company died a long time ago.
I keep getting emails from them begging me to resub all the time, I haven't played the game in years.
Only a matter of time before microsoft forces them to make it f2p and puts it on steam in a last ditch effort to pull it out of it's grave.
it's a shame. the zones are nice, the gameplay has been vastly improved over previous expansions (not questing, but combat, gathering, leveling, etc) dungeons were pretty fun for the most part (some shit ones, and also I didn't frick with mythics because casual) and pvp was decently fun (although bgs still botted to hell, arenas were good fun)
however the main quest, story, and writing in general was so godawful. It was genuinely so hard to get invested, I can't see how people are getting excited for each new patch.
blizzard is the wow killer
hc seems to go wild though
their last hail mary was to remove all grind, but all that did was expose its rotten bare bones and the meaningless 1 dimensional treadmill that now constitutes the entire game
WoW?
Kino.
>Bought a giant flaming flail for his rogue
Autist. I hope you at least bought one of the mounts.
It's not for my rogue, it's for my MALE NIGHTBORNE FURY WARRIOR.
kino mog bro
>that ui
What chinese mobile game is ripping models from wow this time?
>Spirit of Competition
Excuse me Blizzard? My shitty pixels I earned 15 years ago
I'm never playing this dogshit game again anyway
tbh unless you're a gear treadmill monkey, there's isn't much there for a story bro to go through
is dragonflight good?
best since mop
It is if you completely ignore the story. Fyrakk is kino though.
story is alright but i feel like it drags on way too much
azure span/tuskarr is kino though
Cringe story, lgbt+ propaganda out the ass, californian "softboi" mindset and the most skinnerbox its ever been. Do your mythic+ key grind and fill out your battlepass repeating the same shit thinking it counts as more content because of transmog wise consoomer!
Its a litmus test on if you have standards or a weak, habit forming personality or not. Theres a reason its the worst performing wow expansion in history. Only the real addicts are left because they will login till they or the game dies whichever comes first.
Gameplay? Best casual content since MoP. Pvpers are still moaning about the solo shuffle they asked to come into the game killing the pvp scene.
PVE end game is the same as it's been since Legion, ignoring the mandatory AP grind which isn't in Dragonflight.
The story is fine? It's not gonna hit for people who generally aren't interested in Dragon drama at all, the same way Cata was a nothing burger for people who preferred faction war stories, or WC 3 plots.
Expansion villains are a step up from Shadowlands cabal of Jailer, Kael'thuzard, Sylvanas, Malganis, Helya. With Fryakk being a stand out character like Denathrius was in Shadowlands, because the writing team actually allow him to have a distinct personality that stands out when he's on screen.
Iridikron's fine as well, he's your typical wow villain they've had since Vanilla and Vyranoth is getting the obvious redemption plot.
Basically your enjoyment for the story really comes down to how much can you stand spending time with characters like Wrathion, Kalec, Chromie and Alexstraza as your core good guy cast.
> Is Dragonflight the WoW killer?
No, Sneedolands killed it.
Dragonflight was released dead.
This
It never mattered how good Dragonsneed is.
Sneedolands was so trash everyone who wasn't a braindead WoWaddict quit it. And once you lost someone its very hard to get them back.
Okay, but also Dragonsneed isn't that good.
They did one thing right with it, though, and that's they're not forcing everyone to keep playing 24/7 to keep up with chores.
But the stuff that is there to work on just isn't very compelling.
I would come back for MoP classic i shit you not. But i'm never giving retail my money again after warlords. Fool me twice shame on me.
why? they'd have to skip right to throne of thunder
they might do just that
classic PTR has ICC up for testing now
they're adding account wide mounts, pets and heirlooms already even though that's from cata and mop
we still don't know what they plan to do for cata classic, will talent trees get deleted or will they try to do something since one of the best liked things about DF is the return of talent trees
I'd come back for Warlords. It's my favourite xpac.
If Blizz did some changes, added new content it would be kino
Just play tauri wow, they have a panda server that's pretty good.
Tauri is gimped now, full of Russians and Chinese. It's also raidlogged
>paying blizzard real money to bring back the corpse of a more popular iteration of their dying mmo
please just use private servers or whatever
I will tell you something that many are unwilling to admit. The only time that I had felt genuine joy from playing this video game in the past 20 years was during the time that 10 man Heroic content was available.
10 man heroic is still available
Frick off, moronic zoomer.
moron
Flex raiding, you mean.
Part of what got my guild to jump to [OTHER GAME] was the ability to struggle to get 25 man raids going every week to 8 man Savage raiding.
8 people. No trash. No corpse run. Respawn at the boss on wipe. Not needing 30 minutes for 7 mouthbreathers at the bottom of the dps chart to go back to town for pots they left in the bank hoping they could bum some free ones. Just you, your boys and a big fricking dragon or robot castle with angel wings or some shit.
sounds boring as shit
the game should just kill the boss for you as well
Yea, reclearing trash and waiting for CDs is boring as shit. That's why everyone quit WoW.
There is absolutely no enjoyment in raiding 20 man high end content if all you want to do is play the game on a high level in an amateur friendly setting. Mythic raiding literally only catters to e-sports and streamers nowadays. No wonder the scene died and literally no one gives a frick anymore.
mop classic will be WoW's last hurrah before it forever fades to obscurity as its playerbase dies from old age
The real WoW killer was Classic. Splitting the playerbase like that was moronic and most of the Classic players will quit WoW completely once WotLK is over.
wow classic saved wow
DF sales were already terrible, but estimates put half of subs are classic only players
You are a moron. Classic players weren't playing retail before Classic, they were playing private servers.
Private servers never came close to Classic numbers, not even Nostalrius.
Of course not, the streamersheep who never experienced real vanilla are too technologically illiterate to actually download and play on private servers.
Who cares
This company is literally a drug dealer. They start by giving you good stuff and slowly cutting it with worse and worse shit until you end up looking at yourself in the mirror wondering where all your time went when you are not even having fun
Shit company, shit social engineering, Disney characters to appeal to a wider audience (kids) and the lowest common denominator (drooling morons that follow the latest trend)
It really needs to die asap. Well, I would argue it's already dead supported solely by addicts. Shame, wow was such a remarkable game but in the end the even tainted that memory from people. Suck
>This company is literally a drug dealer. They start by giving you good stuff and slowly cutting it with worse and worse shit until you end up looking at yourself in the mirror wondering where all your time went when you are not even having fun
we saw this fast-forwarded with diablo 4
The game has been "dead" since they introduced the shop shit (on a subscription based game where you pay for both the base game and xpacs lmao) and the raid finder. It's just that it still had fun content and people ignored the red flags. Last decent xpac was MoP. I personally played legion and didn't have much fun. Classic wow died with wotlk
I didn't play Legion when it was current but I leveled 2 chars through all the content and farmed the raids during BFA, it was for me the best content as a whole since wrath. MOPs content grew on me but I hated the whole monk/panda aesthetic. Legion just looked awesome.
I deleted my blizzard account
I think it speaks volume about how shit the quality of the game has become
>Mythic+ is player retention poison, one comp, the lowest numbers they have ever had and the biggest reason people are citing for dropping the game if they bought the expansion to begin with
This is the reason I quit. M+ is a literal fricking cancer on this game. Not only am I tired of running the same two least cancerous dungeons over and over, I am tired of the dogshit affixes that cause 90% of a role's playerbase to vanish for an entire week, and I am especially tired of actual, inbred morons who can't play the game to fricking save their lives LARPing as if every single run they're into is an MDI finals run.
I quit forever in legion after I took a relatively small break of like 2 months and came back and all of a sudden raider.io exploded and I was going to be forced to run all these shitty dungeons like the Valhalla ones that nobody ran to attune my reddit.io score in order to run maw which I had done on the same difficulty without legendaries weeks and weeks ago. I had to basically beg for groups by posting the achievment date of my 15 clear. So fricking cringe.
Is that reddit shit still used?
No, it's built into the game now.
I mean that could be better one reason I really hated it was how it updated I can’t recall since it’s been years but I believe ir scored where you placed for that week so early week reset runs were valued and not late week right before which was when I played and when nobody wanted to run fricking halls of valor. Such a reddit system
the scoring system was objectively a good thing and the most efficient way you could filter out actual dead weight looking to be carried
the only people who didn't like it were the dead weight
Objectively a good thing that it killed your trans game. Sorry mate but if I can clear 15 without legendaries I do not need to score myself running dead dungeons nobody runs other than to pad out their reddit.io score for trannoids like you
>without legendaries
next time just post "yes, i am the dead weight looking to be carried" instead of this badly disguised cope
Imagine your first clear being after it was nerfed and when two legendaries were allowed and not as early as possible
Your ahead of the curve isn’t superior to cutting edge mate
Raider.io was a perfectly fine tool that was needed to reduce as much as possible the risk of shit players. The root problem, which is the same since gear score, is that there are so many dps players in the game that I can put insanely high requirements and I will still get players.
t. played healer and quit in bfa
10.2 will fix it, bros. Trust me, I've seen the leaks.
They have something special planned for us. Danuser is gone and like 90% of the trannies who designed the DF gay quests are also no longer at the company.
Metzen is back and is a pivotal person in the WoW department now. Cocainekino is on the horizon again.
after WoD, BfA and SL i'm not falling for this shit again unless i get lobotomized
>10.2 is a flop
10.2.5 will fix it!
>10.2.5 is a flop
10.2.7 will fix it!
>10.2.7 is a flop
10.3 will fix it!
>10.3 is a flop
10.3.5 will fix it!
>10.3.5 is a flop
10.3.7 will fix it!
>10.3.7 is a flop
11.0 will fix it!
>He missed the leak that Metzen is announcing his Classic+ project at Blizzcon
Mate...
Wait is danuser actually gone. That is the one thing that might make me come back
Eat shit and die Bobby i'm free.
>dawnslop
>finaltroony fourplayersleft
LOL
enjoy an entire expansion being dedicated to adding gshade
>wowbuck calling anyone else a troony
lol
lmao even
all MMOs are infested with trannies because of the escapist elements but WoW has overt trans characters where it is their defining character trait, in Sneedolands a ftm troony became god of the afterlife for frick sake. it's mind numbing levels of cope and addiction for people who seethe so much about trannies to play fricking WoW
I'm honestly seeing more people against troon shit. It's annoying. I don't give 2 fricks about troons or Black folk. I'm not even from a country were both of these things are relevant in any capacity yet I'm showered non stop by social engineering and propaganda. It honestly makes me hate troops when I've never met one in my life. It's insane. Most big name American studios are too deep into the ESG bs to ever release a game that is not full of propaganda. That's why I mainly play indies nowadays and honestly, the games are so much more inspired and so much more fun. I don't know why people still feed this goyslop. I guess it's hard to sway an addict from its comfortable nest
To be fair that's not any better than dragonflight which is literally an entire expansion to simply update flying mounts.
This isn't an MMORPG, this is an ERP chatroom.
we know that about wow
only the troon E(RP) containment servers
in XIV every server is like that.
My man you have female Draenei in the game and every one of you trannies memed them into all having penises
what does this have to do with the post you replied to? keep in mind futas aren't trannies btw
>keep in mind futas aren't trannies
You are an obese balding man in a wig and your grandma's dress and you will never become a real futa (a woman that looks like a woman, except with a dick).
I'm actually an obese balding man sitting in pyjama shorts and I have no desire to dress up as or act like a woman (like you)
>troony seething and calling other people trannies for making fun of his troony fetish
Hilarious cognitive dissonance.
Please don't shove your personal problems on others and give Grandma her stuff back.
The absolute state of porn addicted trannoids
>keep in mind futas aren't trannies btw
kek
>keep in mind futas aren't trannies btw
anon
genuine question
you genuinely don't think there's any connection between a decade of shit like "haha cute peepee on girly boy" "that's not a male penis, that's a beautiful girldick on a ravishing woman" "there are no draenei men, only women and horsedicked women" and the increased prevalence of troonyism
really???
People don't look at it from that perspective, it rarely occurs to them conditioning like this slowly over long periods is even happening let alone being effective.
>keep in mind futas aren't trannies
Your beyond saving.
>keep in mind futas aren't trannies btw
troony-kun
this is the absolute state of your general threads
>/vg/ aka local discord colony
you never had an argument to begin with
>dedicated wow discussion general thread being reduced to constant orbiting and flirtposting with local troony ERPer doesn't mean ANYTHING!!!!
Coping hard or hardly coping?
wowg is one of the better generals actually
yes there is that cringe too, but its not as bad as you see in other generals
wowg is terrible, it's just the other general are also terrible.
they're far worse
you haven't seen the xivg diaper threads or the blatant troony erp they do EVERY thread, not just 1 or a few posts
or gig with its scat/gore spammer
its rough out there
This. /wowg/ is incredibly comfy and very diverse:
>ERP
>coom posters
>lore talk
>content talk
>patch/expansion predictions
>cool memes
>cool fanarts
Can confirm. The little avatarhomosexualry it has is mostly ironic, too. It's a surprisingly nice general, but then again, it makes sense. The more popular a game is, the more infested with zoomers and morons, so WoW mostly has grumpy boomers or people who don't care about trends or popularity.
Compare it to the absolute shithole that is XIVG and you'll see.
ff14 isn't popular at all.
WoW's incredible success is due to its ability to reinvent itself with each expansion. And Dragonflight has done even better, with a new class, a new role (support), a new mode of transport, and rich new content every two months.
>wows incredible success
this is a 2004 hotbar mmo played by burned out late millenials, nobody under the age of 25 even knows what WoW is bro.
You've come to the end of your time.
Name zoomers know what wow is, that old shit game played by furgay and troony coomers
>its ability to reinvent itself with each expansion
more like trashing every fricking new feature they come up with because they're each more cancerous like the last
New role? What are you talking about
Lmao what is this cope wowg is filled with literal diaper fat autists that have hourly meltdowns over some random shit nobody knows about
lmao it seems the /wowg/gays have arrived to do hardcore damage control
nah this guy is lying
place is full of furhomosexuals and troons
absolutely disgusting general, avoid at all costs
wowg is legitimately composed of
>autist(s) who will meltdown and robotically reply with "seethe cope hatetroony wow bussin xyz feature bussin" whenever somebody critiques anything about current wow
>human/elf/draenei futagays that will literally just use the thread to meet each other and flirtpost with each other while posting cropped porn
>vulpera furgays doing the same but yiffshit with the occasional vulperagay just doing regular basic attentionwhoring by constantly posting pictures of his ugly midget mutt
>miscellaneous coomers trying to erp with other hairy men in the thread (worggays, taurengays, etc)
>"B-BUILT FOR BIG ORC wiener" posters
Sounds awesome
i know it does to you, /wowg/troony
you forgot the "HUUUUMIEEES" poster
It's amazing how the general somehow managed to be more alive and soulful when it was constantly assailed by doomposters shitting on it than now when it's basically just a shambling hugbox for the same 5 goldshire trannies to discuss their cybersex fantasies in in a virtual troony sex simulator.
It's genuinely grim as frick. They're so buck broken that the moment anybody says anything negative they're immediately branded as a FFXIV troony discord raider doomer that hasn't played the game since MoP.
Meanwhile the people who call you those names are literally unironically some fat neckbeard ERPing as a troony jerking off to the idea of another fat neckbeard ERPing as a troony shoving their troony dick down their throat and getting bloated off their cum while almost never leaving the vicinity of stormwind/goldshire.
Grim? Or funny?
They're genuinely mindbroken.
>a-at least im not an erp troony in my second life cybersex hub
>GLUG GLUG GLUG BIG GREEN ORC DICK FOR MY FEMALE NIGHT ELF SHE'S SUCH A bawd FOR BGC (i'm a 35 year old guy with AGP btw)
That part is extremely funny. I will never not laugh when some literal troony ERPer sees FFXIV get mentioned and call them an OG troony or finaltroony or whatever and pretend only trannies play it.
Like bro you are literally a troony yourself and you're calling other people troony as an insult. Consider yourself BUCK BROKEN.
I can just as easily cherrypick /wowg/'s local worgen and vulperaposters but I'm not going to reduce myself to your level.
TRANSKINDS FIRST ZERO
AND ZHIS FINAL COPE
>/vg/ is full of bad threads with awful posters
Wooooowwww
yes
and the wow general
is nothing but nonstop textfrick troony chasing
so much for that "non-troony mmo" world of warcraft
based
catchel when?
Soon.
dawNTRail
bros...
i dont like this
What is NTR?
>he doesnt know
(and thats a good thing)
He is getting NTR'd out of an answer.
cant wait to impregnate over and over again
>New shorter, browner hyur option
Koji Fox has been playing the long game...
TIME
NO MORE ONCE UPON A TIME
no commentary on wow or xiv or anything else here, I just bob my head to the music
>they gave stand-in mrWoLman a voice
huh
You mean the voice at the end?
probably a new character
hopefully a fem hroth
No, the little chuckle.
he always had a voice. since the original 1.0 release trailer.
>Dawntrailer's TEASER is already the most watched one from all previous expansions...
It really seems like full trailer will completely destroy and embarass Dragonflight's one... Can we catch a break?
We want ADVENTURE not to be preached at by californians. Its all we ever wanted.
God, I really hate Erenville's homosexual voice.
>fleeing from one shitpile to another that stinks a bit less and bragging about it
the absolute state of MMO players
Please for the love of Christ, let the new caster be Necromancer or Geomancer. BLM is the only true spellcaster job. RDM is hybrid, SMN is a physical ranged DPS in a dress, and BLU doesn't' exist.
This is a WoW thread, troon. Frick off to your own thread (if your shit game can ever have one) or /vg/.
didn't read, have a nice day
to be fair, if you go to wow /vg/ its nothing but troon posting.
Nope, going to keep posting here and there's frick all you or your shitty dying game can do about it LMAO
atiblizz is the wow killer.
The game is just marred by moronic decisions, no matter what they do. I originally stopped playing in MoP because I've been playing the game since vanilla and wanted a break, I came back in legion because my old friend was hyping it up. It was fairly nice at the start, but then I was the only one from my friendsgroup who got 2 fricking legendaries right off the bat. Everyone else was fricking assmad at me, but later when people figured out the system I had basically gotten 2 of the worst legendaries and the remedy was to "lmao reroll your character and try again". I felt like playing some shitty gacha game where my starter account was bricked because my free rolls were trash. So even the expansion that people call the best in recent memories just leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth. I heard dragonflight is good, but it lacks content and I also don't want to deal with commiefornia antics.
2 more weeks trump bros
>10 posts later and ip count isn't going up
Based discord circle jerk thread
final dead troony threads must be on autosage again
Retail is soulless fricking garbage that tries to trick people with mental problems and its a karma spiral into the most souldess mindless grinding games. If you dont have a mental disease like OCD you will just end up runnin around dalaran wondering whats even making you play this garbage ass game. Stick to hard core classic WoW.
why do mmos insist of autism endgame poopsock when all people want is comfy leveling adventure
because the levelling can't last forever, but devs want players to play forever.
I understand. But why cant people have a nice leveling experience?
Real, and frick raiding. Even when I poop socked the game I hated the tedium of it. Raiding can be fun without the autism. WoW devs fricked up when they started catering to tryhards and made it about challenge over fun. Naxxramas remade for WotLK was still way too long but it was fun, I never got bummed doing any raids in that tier, the difficulty was perfect.
This is why ffxiv is kino you can stretch out leveling and the MSQ for literal years if you do the side shit
here's the guy who's been stuck in eureka, I guess
>you can pause the movie at any time to watch other movies
so this is the power of the xiv cultist...
Yeah maybe but unfortunately for some or many of us the aesthetic blows. Game is littered with troons as well.
>Game is littered with troons as well.
Just MMO things
not to this extent
only trannies are left playing ffxiv because they dont actually play the game, they go "clubbing" and "play" dressup, imagining every day what having a social/night life might look like
For context
This event was made by a wowfugee
Oh no no no no
nope, the organizers were some VAs from final troony
the fat bald moron just participated with this troony 14 community
>800 views
Anon the organizer, the wowfugee eceleb had the main footage
meanwhile in worlo
lmfao, sick
Transkino
>n-not to this extent! it's different! it doesn't count when-
That's cope, anon.
xiv leveling is fricking abhorrent. MSQ story is above average but thats already an extremely low bar for mmos. Quests themselves are absolutely braindead and tedious
Black person you say that like people quest in wow anymore. they spam dungeon finder never moving around in the world at all. azeroth has been a fricking lobby since cata and the legion world quests ripped from mobile games were a desperate attempt to stem the bleeding.
>Black person you say that like people quest in wow anymore
>what is chormie time
dumb frick lol
>what is chromie time
fricking abandoned.
homie they even improved chromie time
you can now level up to 61
you get a cinematic when you choose an expansion
and there are no restrictions on it anymore
Chromie time is what I use to queue for Warlords of Draenor dungeons, then switch back to Battle for Azeroth time so my trinkets oneshot everything.
Who the frick uses it for questing?
Who the frick quests?
I like it because unlike WoW it doesn't make me kill boars to get 4 tusks but only one in 10 boars drops a tusk, or make me fill up an autistic bar
Not sure about Dragonflight, but pre-DF, WoW quests are dogshit as well.
oh yeah instead of actually playing the game you get a quest to watch a 10 minute unvoiced cutscene, kill 3 boars, then watch another 10 minute cutscene.
you don't want to play videogames, you want to watch movies
>killing 40 boars and filling a bar with mobs that can't hurt you if you pulled the entire zone is... le game
Yeah, I don't care for that. Sorry? (I'm not really, though)
I used to love wow dearly. I was there at the midnight launches with all my friends. We were there at blizzcon to hear "the day you were born, the very forests of lordearon whispered the name....arthas" and things were great.
But what happened happened and i was at FFXIV fanfest and realised i had not been played XIV longer than i played WoW. Ten whole years now. I have my job crystal on my bag i've had other people at cons and places like distant worlds see and talk to me about XIV, got my encyclopedia eorzea on the bookshelf next to my desk, my statues of zenos and drk/pld meteor beside them and my amourotine mask hanging on a peg on the wall.
At some point it went from "well i need something to replace siege of orgrimmar and i haven't enjoyed a FF game since IX so heres hoping" to it being the actualy replacement for WoW i thought 15 years ago could never happen.
Looking at WoW now is just sad. Like seeing a friend you lost touch with offering blowjobs on the street as a homeless drug addict. You wish you could unsee the current state and only remember the good times.
Even if you didn't jump to ARR i know you know this feel i am feeling deeply. You feel it too, don't you brother?
I always lose interest in the game once my characters are "geared", and they made it easier than ever to reach my definition of geared this expansion. I quit like 2 months in.
You people are seething so hard and use so many buzzwords that it is barely possible to tell what you are tring to say, why are the people in this thread so angry?
ex wow gays mad that wow killed troony fantasy 14
Probably that + the other yoshi p game flopping is driving them insane
they thought 2021 would last forever lmao
you actually need a good game, and final shit is garbage
no wonder square is in the shitter
>numbers in wow go down in a year without an expansion: business as usual
>same happens in [OTHER GAME]: NO IT DOESNT COUNT THIS TIME ITS DYING IT HAS TO BE SO THEY'LL ALL COME BACK TO MEE!
battered wives who are obsessed with their ex who left them and moved on but they haven't and actively let him live in their head rent free to drag their name through the mud whenever they can
nobody plays XIV because it's good. they play it out of spite for its superior competitor.
Most true post ITT. Nobody even fricking gave a single shit about XIV until the e-celebs got paid off to astroturf that game as an alternative during the sexual allegation drama (totally not a planned move by their desperate competitor hitting them while they're down btw). And then they all conveniently dropped once their checks cleared.
Ex-WoWgays are just asshurt beyond belief and let the game live in their head rent free wishing it would game crash and burn because they know they can come crawling back at any moment.
So true.
Now stick to wow please.
Stop watching asmongold and maybe your brain will recover
I would, but I can't stop doing something I'm not doing.
Maybe it will help you if you do so, though.
And please stick to playing WoW.
they had a golden opportunity but shartwalker sharted itself on par with shadowlands
and now we're back to square 1
wow mogging its competitors
>wow mogging its competitors
wow is competing with itself?
>most of twitch is people streaming classic hardcore
yes, literally. Retail wow is competing with another team -mostly straight white people shocking nobody- thats making them far more money on a far smaller budget.
Classic isn't making blizzard money, only chinks
There's like 10k players on Wrath that all buy Chinese gold
Classic is also a worse game, so I'm not sure why you're trying to hype the dev team for churning out dogshit?
I like Wrath, I was really looking forward to playing it in a casual way.
Went on the first assigned realm, and it was literally empty. There were 2 people on the other faction in a "Hardcore Waiting Guild", and thanks to them disabling LFG I can't even do basic casual shit at 80. It was fun doing dungeons solo as a Paladin at lvl 20, simply because there was no other way to do my class quests.
>make a version of the game that doesn't require buying an expansion and has less microtransactions
>everyone flocks to this version of the game
Classic has cost them an unimaginable amount of money. Whoever greenlit the idea should be banned from working in video games ever again.
>everyone flocks to it
But in reality the game isn't even filling 2 servers
The only people playing memecore are streamers
>drop wow for xiv
>8 years pass
>suddenly the desperate for views wowstreamers try playing it
>not only have to deal with influx of autists that cant function without addons but wowgays on Ganker worry a wowkiller might really be happening and get completely fricking mindbroken and have never recovered
they are fricking insufferable. Look at how 95% of wow twitch streams are classic, people dont care about retail because its a bad game but these broken bucks got so fricking shook they never shut the frick up about a final fantasy game people have been playing for a decade and dont give two shits about a 20 year old cringe fest abandoned by all its creators but you wouldn't know it the way the addicted gooners go on about it.
You outted yourself a twitchtard therefore your opinion is meaningless and flawed
>wowbucks use twitch as some metric for "beating" xiv for years
>people start to point out its mostly classic andys
>wowbucks: IT DOESNT COUNT ANYMORE, B-BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY?!?!?
What HRT does to a motherfricker.
twitch has always been a moronic metric, people watch streams because of the streamer not because of the game
Not entirely true, even larger streamers can see a drop in viewership when doing something outside their usual ballpark, but true enough that you cannot ever infer player numbers through twitch numbers. Anyone doing that is just being a disingenuous shitposter.
The "Twitch" viewer counts are the biggest cope. WoW players can barely wipe their own asses without a horn telling them to do it. Thinking these bloated viewerships for a dead game are anything more then paid bots make someone delusional. Boring streamers like fat Hispanic towelhead and max getting thousands of viewers is proof of that.
>twitch viewers aren't real because...ADDONS BAD
Bot post
And the fat towel shows itself.
>the game is dead
>that's why it has 100k viewers every. single. day.
can you show xiv's viewcount?
Could it be that there is more than 1 person on the internet and they have different opinions?
I don't know why you'd pay Blizzard when you could just play a private server. I recently got the WoW itch again and tried Ascension. Shit wasn't perfect, but all those weird ass LRE were really fun. I'd fricking almost resub if Cauterizing Flames or Steward of Eternity were in retail (not really, but they are fun as shit, especially for a healer).
I was interested in playing Cummie's fresh TBC server but the moron made it PvP only so I lost interest before I logged in.
I'm not an edgy teenager who gets off on ganking in STV anymore I just want to play the game instead.
I tried Turtle but the moderators are actually insane so that turned me off.
Maybe Epoch will be worth a shit I don't know, but they're making some strange decisions too.
What kind of an absolute cuckold plays on troony-infested, chink-infested, zigger-run private servers? Enjoy your Shenna smegma-palooza bro.
I'd rather pay nuBlizz $15 still
>cuckold plays on troony-infested, chink-infested
but enough about official classic and retail wow servers
You need more buzzwords, I almost understood what you were saying.
>Enjoy your Shenna smegma-palooza bro.
This part stumped me. What in the literal frick does this even mean? Who or what is Shenna?
You are not human
I don't really care about Blizzard or their games anymore but the only thing that slightly bothers me about WoW in 2023 is that I know if I walked into Blizz HQ and was given the crown for a single day, I could fix the game, fricking easily. All of the problems have obvious, easy fixes that could be done instantly, but instead they stick to a moronic game philosophy and insist their shit ideas are good for years on end.
But whatever, I just don't play their slop anymore. I doubt things will improve while the current leadership is in charge, Ion's been tanking the game for almost a decade now and they just let him carry on like it doesn't matter.
By instantly I hope you mean conceptually, because you're a moron otherwise.
It's also entirely possible there is no fix. We will never retvrn to the golden age, it wasn't just the games, it was the people, the culture, you can never recapture it.
There's nothing inherently wrong with Nu-WoW, it could be fun if they tried to make it fun instead of trying to make it as unfun as they can in needless areas.
There's like 2 absolutely critical issues in modern WoW which need to be fixed and both tie into each other, new player onboarding and respecting player time. If these get addressed the game has a fighting chance, if not I expect it to continue bleeding out a slow and sad death.
The internal dynamics are that the developers are insane.
Lmao you have no idea anon
I highly doubt that's the only problem. I'm guessing you never tried to navigate a corporate environment
I think there are a lot of internal dynamics that you can't see from an outsider perspective. Their main objective is to make money, not to make a good game. They have to navigate politics, investors and other shit. At the end of the day, it's a job from a big corporate company. Once you are inside you 100% would lose any kind of love you have for the game. They don't want to fix the game, they want to make their money and get home. As long as there is something or someone to blame they will continue not giving a frick. That's how it works I'm a corporate setting if you ever worked on
Classic and classic+ are both models very hard to capitalize on. In a world of mobile games and mindless consumers, it's just not something attractive to investors I would bet. So no one does it unless there is extreme external push. This is how these things work
STOP THE COUNT WOWSISSIES OH NONONONONO
>mfw I thought that these were actually months old
>just came out
>The drop in dragonshite is a bigger drop than when the wowfugee exodus to xiv happened
Whats the bucks excuse this time? no covid lock downs or OTHER GAME THO this time.
bro ybarra told us the game is BACK and SAVED
we will soon have microsoft money
TRUST. THE. PLAN.
I mean, 2 millions players it pretty big.
Or is it like 2 millions characters?
Characters. Estimates put wow on 600-800k players right now.
Oh yeah that's pretty low!
The funniest side story in the video industry has been the never ending meltdown of blizzdrones, like watch them go into a frenzy:
FFXIV is a better game than WoW, which is why more people play it
Shut up.
Please shut the frick up, please.
I don't want more wowbucks to hop to xiv and stink it up. Keep them in their fenced off containment.
They're not going to FFXIV again, it already had its chance (and failed) in Shadowlands. They're abandoning MMOs altogether.
ffxiv is dead, sisters
there's more people on hardcore than all limsa's combined
cut the shitty tribalism
Sure thing, xiv is dead, wow won and is super alive.
Just stay playing wow for the love of god please.
don't worry, nobody is playing dead shit 14 😉
Good! Keep it that way.
Stick to WoW, I would really appreciate that.
>Stick to WoW
seems to be the common trend among mmo players yeah, as its the best option
Great! We're in agreement then.
>FFXIV is a better game than WoW, which is why more people play it
>more people play it
yeah about that xister..
XIV
IS
NOT
A
GAME
YOU WATCH MOVIES STARRING YOUR OC DO NOT STEAL CHARACTER AS THE PROTAG AND THEN WHEN YOU FINISH THE STORY YOU HAVE SEX WITH OTHER GROWN-ASS MEN POSING AS CATGIRLS
THERE IS NO VIDEOGAME
GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL
Neat.
Keep playing WoW, thank you very much.
XIV is a josei visual novel.
I don't mean to defend WoW, but XIV is really fricking boring, gameplay wise. If you're invested in the story, I'm sure it's great. I played the trial for 60 or so hours and the bulk of it was walking/riding from from A to point B
Your smear campaign doesn't work, it's old
They will announce B2P
Sub will be Premium with lots of shit included like early Alpha Access and so on with packages for you to chose, which includes weekly trading post coins.
Dailies and Weeklies based on ESO, so free 1k gold per weekly quest at cap.
Old World Revamp with a twist.
That is all.
Also it is all fake
P-P-PLS PLAY MY GAME
It will get worse. Then they try to milk the last of it till the cow collapses.
Then it gets sold off, the buyer needs to milk it even harder and further kills it and so on.
It is the inevitable end of online vidya games under capitalism.
And there is nothing you can do about it besides private servers. You can only watch the corpse of the horse get beaten further.
wow almost like this pile of shit 20 year old game is FINALLY on its deathbed
I played some during Shadowlands.
Game's story and lore is complete slop and entirely ruined.
The gameplay is still better than any other MMO out there.
>muh m+ simulator
Then do literally one of the other 3 or 4 methods of gearing, pvp, raids, world content whatever.
I haven't tried Dragonflight but I imagine it's more of the same. Stupid ass Blizzard need to realize they'll never get players back into the game and they need to focus on retaining players with QoL features like a revamped character creator (not the half-assed one we got), housing and other casual shit like that. Stop adding new dimensions and timelines and make use of the massive world you have, full of history.
But if they were gonna do that, they'd have done it many, many years ago.
Dragonflight isn't the problem, its honestly a good expansion, the problem is the game is split in two. You have Dragonflight which is fun then you have the end game which not only is it not fun but it isn't even designed for the fricking playerbase so big surprise your average player doesn't wanna touch it.
>M+ isn't made for the players but for MLG/MDI
>raids isn't made for the players but for MLG/MDI
>pvp isn't made for the players but for MLG/MDI
>class balance isn't for the players but for MLG/MDI
Until this changes the game is fricked, the expansion launched and A LOT of people went oooo new wow expansion i wanna try it! then they did, got to end game, didn't wanna do the above content, and quit.
>Dragonflight isn't the problem, its honestly a good expansion
Cut your balls right now
He isn't wrong. It's better than RNGlegion
That certainly doesn't make it good. It's a terrible game through and through. Mechanically, yeah it's still the best MMO around. But again, that doesn't make it good
>ff14 troony asking another dude to cut his balls off so he can become a ff14 troony
kek nah im good mam
I want to make fun of you. I don't want your cancer migrating to my game. Stay the frick away from my game.
Its beautiful how easily I can read you when I don't even know you.
This. Esport (aka gaming capitalism) ruins everything.
this wow lost it's way trying to appeal to gays that treat games like jobs.
at the end of the day, wow won
be sure to tune in for metzen kino in just 2 months
i'm sure you will
wow blizzard can't even hire indians to do blatant shilling anymore, their top dog himself has to do it on fricking twitter
>product owner promotes his product
closeted moron that never had a job lmao
i have a job, a real job where i create the product, instead of being a subhuman marketer who has to nag people to buy their subpar product that can't sell itself
Yet here you are being obsessed and discussing his product. Curious.
>nooo you can't call my shitty product out for being shitty!
in 2 months, all of them will be fired and the irvine's offices nuked.
Dropped the game in Warlords. I used to love it but i enjoy watching it do worse and worse every year. Feels vindicated man.
Mythic Plus was a mistake
It really was. They look at the % of players who do it and think it's a success, but the game has fallen off a cliff ever since it was introduced. A similar thing is happening now in PvP with solo shuffle.
you know shits bad when you have a sale every month
mmos rely on a player churn, burned out players are replaced by new players.
But no new players are coming. 20 somethings think WoW is now a soiboi cringe game and would rather play Fortnite. Post Zoomers don't even know it exists anymore than wrath babbies knew what Ultima Online was.
So people are dropping off in astounding numbers and theres nobody new replacing them. Queue times get longer, auction houses run out of stock, everything gets more expensive, so gold botting is more in demand and gets worse and so on and so on.
Its just a long slow death of a thousand cuts.
explain why there are more m+ runs in dragonflight compared to shadowlands
keep in mind the 10.1 dragonflight upgrade system makes gearing infinitely easier/faster
and you only need 8 m+ to cap your vault in DF compared to 10 in SL
retail WoW is king
>a bunch of homosexuals view baiting for clicks
>games dead
Well i'm just gonna ignore those homosexuals and keep playing anyways. I'm sure you gays who say WoW is dead will be right this time, just like you have been right every time you have said it in the last 20 fricking years.
wow is bad.
/mmog/ lost.
I dropped wow in BfA halfway through the leveling
There was just nothing interesting
Big disappointment after legion which wasn't amazing or anything but it was tons of fun
Dragonflight is what happens when you let furries and gender autists design a video game.
I knew that the discourse surrounding wow was artificially negative
>artificially negative
Nobody has said a positive thing about WoW in like 10 years
ITT
People still seething over their ex girlfriend and trying to convince you they're happier with their new one.
>wowgays are such porn addicted coomers they consider their days ERPing as a futa worgen is like having a girlfriend
I stopped midway during pandalands here so put memes aside for 30 seconds and tell me
gameplay wise does wow still feels the "smoothest" among the tab-target mmos?
Honest answer: yes
Not really, they redid the UI to look more like a tablet game to try and draw in a younger crowd and it lead to a bunch of issues that make it feel stuttery as frick.
yes, until you fight a world boss with 40+ people in the same place and the servers shit themselves trying to handle all the buffs and procs
Not arguing but dont they have/have not implement graphic options that cuts down on other players effects?
What does that have to do with what I posted? It's the server struggling with handling all the technical shit like damage and proc calculations, not the client struggling with rendering.
Does that still happen? I remember it was a huge mess in 9.1/Korthia/Maw.
Yes.
>gameplay wise does wow still feels the "smoothest" among the tab-target mmos?
theres nothing even close to it
I'm starting to understand why everyone calls xiv players "shiteaters"
most of them play the game and understand the janky piece of shit they're playing and accept it
but then you have ex wow gays like the ones itt trying to convince themselves they're not playing some dead asian piece of shit
It's crazy how they nailed this and no one has come close since. Rift was decent but still not it. Also crazy how important it is to the feel of the game.
MMO's aren't Quake. FF lower net code makes it a better game.
t. shit eater
we know you like eating shit but do you also have to advertise yourself as such
the alternative is a 2.5s GCD with dogshit netcode so the answer will always default to "yes" even after they shit the bed "updating" the UI
>join M+
>get to final boss
>make the group pay the toll or brick the key
mazerats deserve it
>wow is so much better on a technical level
have they made it so that more than 5 people can be in a zone in a world boss without the game flipping out and giving you multiple consecutive 20-30 second lagspikes yet?
in a world boss
with a world boss*
Mythic + killed the games future, no new player thats not a 12 year old esport wannabe is going to play that shit.
There is loads of content for casual players.
Why are casuals mad there is some content they can't do?
Name 10
Any moron can run M+ as a casual, the problems the expectations create a toxic ELO league type enviroment that will turn away tons of MMO players when they experience it.
name 11
Because the content casuals can do in Dragonflight is shitty and give subpar rewards. Back in Classic, TBC and Wrath players could play casually and still run regular raids and do well, get decent gear and actually progress.
Since Cataclysm the raid tuning has been constantly getting more difficult. A guy who used to raid casually back in TBC is now relegated to running LFR and the rewards are shit and the sense of meaningful progression is lost. Why bother sticking around in a game where you're permanently relegated to scrub status, especially when you used to be able to do well?
And while you can run M+ as a casual, it fricking sucks in terms of loot. You can run 5 M+ dungeons back to back and not receive a single drop. It sucks, and that's not even mentioning group comp cancer, ratings, bad affixes, etc.
Could they though? Wow players were always seen as no life neckbeards, especially in the past
Yes, they absolutely could. The hardest part about raiding in classic was always getting enough players and managing a raid of 40 people. The mechanics themselves were pretty damn easy. And you've got to remember that was back in 2005 too, back before being a nerd was trendy. You'd be considered a no-life for a lot of stuff back then that people wouldn't bat an eye at now.
M+ is too good for loot, it invalidates Heroic raiding.
You can casually clear mythic, you just have to not be dogshit
If you aren't good enough for heroic you quite literally aren't human
>especially when you used to be able to do well
But you weren't. Classic has repeatedly shown that even the top guilds in vanilla tbc and Wrath were just utter dogshit at the game
>Why bother sticking around in a game where you're permanently relegated to scrub status
Maybe (You) have a learning disability, but normal people aren't hardstuck at LFR, they can actually learn and improve
> while you can run M+ as a casual, it fricking sucks in terms of loot.
M+ is the biggest loot faucet the game has ever had. 2-3 items per 5 people (versus 2 per 40), plus an item from the vault plus mats for crafted bis
Gearing is TOO fast right now and your dumbass is still crying because you're not good enough for it
This is always the cry of the WoWdrone
>you're bad
>you're moronic
>you suck at the game
>you were never good
then they wonder why their shit game is dying, while other difficult but fun games only continue to grow in popularity
Yes, because the complaints all come from shitters just mad because they're shit
It's strange how in any other thread on Ganker git gud is a normal reply and journalist difficulty is mocked, but suddenly WoW is brought up and games are apparently supposed to be for mouth breathing boomers cope with their midlife crisis
Maybe it's because in most other games you're not relying on another 9+ people to all perform optimally so you can progress. Git gud in a game like Dark Souls or Elden Ring makes sense, because it's purely your skill and build vs the boss.
Git gud does not apply to WoW when your group wipes because some guy missed the 14th DBM notification he's received that minute.
WoW was better when raids was easier. Sub numbers do not lie. You can get mad and flame people all you want, it's only going to make WoW die quicker.
Sub numbers have nothing to do with quality and old subs were padding with Chinese internet Cafe numbers anyway
Good players don't struggle to clear content, you'll never find an ex multi glad hard stuck at 1500 with no partners or a rank 1 dps stuck in a dead guild, they all are immediately spotted by other good players
You just aren't good at the game and are trying to cope
>you'll never find an ex multi glad hard stuck at 1500
Isn't arena rating in DF literally capping out at like 1600 because no one is fricking playing it? lmao
pvp has been dead since legion
so has the rest of the game
>you have to le git le gud to enjoy the game casually
how about i just unsub haha how about that
>noo don't say git gud that's toxic
oops haha i canceled my sub looks like you have one less person to beat over the head with your gearscore parsetroony epeen
People can learn an adapt
You're more like a soulless blob of flesh. Probably American too. Certainly not a person
now say it without crying
Cope Amerigolem
I'm just here to bully /mmog/ posters and remind them their general died.
the genre died
The genre's been dead since 2008.
That doesn't stop the fact there was more successful and still are more successful generals on /vg/ to discuss MMOs, than the mmo general that spun off from people rejected from /wowg/ /wowcg/ and /xivg/
>there was more successful and still are more successful generals on /vg/ to discuss MMOs,
not wowg, thoughever, right?
because that general only discusses a black human futroony's nuts
Yes and even the general that's obsessed with that, lasted longer than the MMO dedicated containment general.
yes while not discussing either wow or mmos
just their troony typefricking fixation
No, that was Shadowlands.
my character turned into a missing texture cube and flew away today
They need to make a Legion style expac that actually has worthwhile content outside of instances. Right now there's nothing except a handful of world quests that give you trash rewards. Where's all the frickin class quests n shit? Why are the class halls abandoned? Give us more cool shit to do.
>worthwhile content
>pve
The only content worth doing is pvp you casual gay.
pvp has always been trash
they'll never do that, because legion required them to abandon WoD midway. it essentially had the resources of 1.5-2 expansions.
on the plus side, SL proved you homosexuals can get served literal shit and ask for seconds anyway so it's easier to just reduce the amount of resources spent overall
I sincerely hope femhroth are visual pollution like male hroths, like femroes with cat ears or some shit. I shutter to think of the degeneracy if they attract the worgen/vulpera furgays
I subscribed as a new player got level 70 and then had no idea what I was doing to get my ilevel up
While Classic exists, retail will literally never EVER capture new player's interest. It's like delving into bloatware, except that you missed the train 10 years ago.
classic is just an endless loop of boomers trying to recapture their youth by rolling on every FRESH
That's why wow has no new players overall. But I guarantee you that zoomers would rather try out classic than go to retail.
if someone's new to wow they are inclined to play or at least retail
the pipeline is real
classic has no endgame past leveling
>classic has no endgame past leveling
Ok, thank you for outing yourself as a moron.
dropped for good when someone made an addon with voicelines that would announce status effects in pvp
I'm surprised you didn't drop it back in vanilla when they made the decurse addon.
run away little gay, run away
I had no idea about this /mmog/ drama but they do be seething apparently
GTA Online was the WoW killer. Fortnite was also the WoW killer. There's nothing left to kill. WoW is your grandma with dementia dying alone in a nursing home.
>2 of the most braindead normie and kid filled games
This says a lot about society
>wowgays gloat about their amazing raid boss encounters
>make increasingly indepth addons to resolve the fights for them so they don't actually have to think about dealing with the mechanics themselves
lol
lmoa
>bing bing wahoo *honk* *honk*
>RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL
Reminder: that mod has since been confirmed to be part of a sissy hypno discord deal used by discord troons from /LULZ/ to ensnare lonely mmo players to convince them chinese import hrt will make them happy. Not kidding.
still funny
that was a fun fight
but yeah my guild had some real trouble with that
Remember the trap master boss in shadowlands that was a ffxiv styled fight and it completely filtered them?
What was this? Never heard about that.
Painsmith
Unfortunately there is no better alternative.
In the age of MMO's being actually decent as a result of them copying GW2's philosphies on design. Why not just get it a severe discount, play your time worth of it which it will provide in an hour to 1$ ratio and then move onto other games? WoW is pretty good right now, it's worth playing through, maxing a toon, doing some endgame and then moving onto greater things. It's likely you'll get your moneys worth and that's about all you can really hope for in a video game. There are so many other games to play Anon's, FFXIV is great for story, Warframe is getting better overtime and if you're new, has so much content you can barely chew through it. GW2 is in an alright state, BG3, Starfield. I mean wtf are you Black folk doing that this is such a thing to meltdown over.
Yeah i said it in this thread already, people are insane for expecting infinite content and not getting bored, instead of acknowledging this they start blaming the game instead of their moronic brain that is unable to play other games during the drought period between patches
>WoW is pretty good right now, it's worth playing through, maxing a toon, doing some endgame and then moving onto greater things
I barely feel any sentimental attachment to any of my characters and ask myself why said characters even exists in that world. XIV is repetitive, but at least it knows how to make you feel attached to your character.
Yeah if only WoW was more chosen one bullshit, clearly thats what's missing
Japanese media has rotten your brain
Hail. Champion
A hero is different than THE hero
You would understand if you read more than Japanese comic books
We literally saved the multiverse in Shadowlands and proceeded to put a troony in charge of it all. Do not pretend WoW doesn't do chosen one bullshit.
It took literal years and years of character development until you're the chosen one and even then, there are characters almost equal to you in power.
>Fight alongside the main characters and beat the big bad
>"Oh uhh... thanks for aiding me Champion."
How about the NPCs actually giving a shit about you, especially with how Sylvanas flat out said that you're a tool?
>villain says you're a tool
Wow holy crap what a shock
>NOOOOO
>THE BAD GUY WHO'S BEEN DEPICTED AS USING OTHERS SINCE THE RTS CALLED ME A TOOL
Certified Garithos moment.
Every expack has the WoW PC out there solving almost every problem the plot demands and you barely get recognized. There's a large gap between "chosen one" and "literal plot janny" and it isn't unreasonable to want something in between.
nah, it is
little timmy's gnome warrior that has never seen any content above LFR should not be part of the lore
Then Blizzard can't expect people to give a rotten frick about their game when the only thing left is the story and the story barely even acknowledges that your character exists within it.
Piss and moan all you want about XIV, but a large portion of the playerbase will always resub when there's more story content because they go apeshit for the plot. They might not be mazed and maintain their sub for years on end like the sunk cost players of WoW but they will always shell out full price for an expack and a few months of sub.
>They might not be mazed and maintain their sub for years on end
this is... le bad
because it is
>when the only thing left is the story
The story died with Arthas back in WotLK.
>only thing left is the story
What the FRICK kind of powerful shit are you smoking? The story has been a nonstop downhill plummet ever since WoD
I don't think he implied the story is good.
But that it's the only thing aside from rote repetition of the same raid bosses for months, same dungeons for bing bing wahoo lottery or spending all of your gametime forming mogsmountcheevos/doing WQs that give you nothing useful anymore
>literal plot janny
LOL
that's a perfect way to describe the wow PC
>20 years old mmorpg
>still the most played mmorpg
>second most played mmorpg is OSRS
what the frick is wrong with the genre?
Nothing good has unironically come out since WoW.
Despite how much the Korean soapbox farmers want you to believe otherwise.
there really, and i really mean this, there really is no good replacement to wow
>No one will be talking about BG3 or Starfield in three months.
>No one's talking about Zelda any more.
>Everyone has already forgotten about the games released earlier this year.
>WoW is still here, 20 years after its release, every patch is discussed everywhere and all the time, every expansion is an event.
wait until 10.2 is revealed and metzen steps on stage at blizzcon
this website will be on fire
Incubus is still the best thing to be added to WoW in the last decade.
Is any of the content still good? I remember the raid fights in Warlords of Draenor were still interesting and engaging and a lot of the side content was good but the daily/weekly grind requirements were just obnoxious and draining.
As someone who play XIV I kinda wanted to give Worlo a try.
It won't hurt you
I'm just kinda against the idea of giving money to bliz
try the free trial
its limited but it gives you an idea what to expect
Sounds like you already played blizzard games and probably wow since you called it worlo. Anyways you should go back to /wowg/
Play a private server. WoW has a good base, Blizz just lost their way years ago.
It's amazing how shitty both modern wow and ff14 are when compared to classic
I really hope they continue in the same direction as Dragonflight going forwards, this has been the most I've enjoyed the game since legion
fire the writing team though
metzen is on it
metzen the israelite can’t write
>Mythic+ is player retention poison
well yeah it's mindless busywork but with the stakes and toxicity of a fricking league ranked match in ELO hell, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to think anyone sane would enjoy that
how does blizzard fix wow?
There's no fixing it. They need to transition to another online multiplayer game within the next few years, whether it's WoW 2 or something entirely new.
There is no fixing it. Microsoft will let WoW rot because they bought the company for Activision, Blizzard was just an annoyance they have to deal with in order to own Call of Duty.
>they bought the company for Activision
They bought the company for King. Activision's slop pales in comparison to the fricking fortune King's mobileshit brings in.
>Sony throws a fricking Biblical temper tantrum and cries at the FTC to stop the merger because their entire board of directors were shitting their pants at the prospect of not having CoD on the PS anymore
>but Activision doesn't matter
They matter to Sony. Not to Microsoft.
You're so fricking stupid it's unreal
King might be the largest of ABK but it's still just a fraction of the whole. Blizzard and activisionnare like 20 and 30% of the company, of course Microsoft cares about 35 of the 70 billion they're spending
Microsoft would probably drop Blizzard if they could. The company is unironically a money drain. They haven't produced a good game in years and the only active game they still have going is running on fumes.
It literally makes hundred of millions of dollars profit a year and it's all publicly shared on their reports
OW and Hearthstone were runaway successes
Diablo 4 sold tens of millions of copies
WoW has millions of players, Shadowlands broke sales records and they rake in sub and microtrandaction
Even diablo immortal made over 100million dollars
The only thing that Blizzard did that actually flopped was HotS
>Diablo 4 sold tens of millions of copies
diablo was meant to be a success for longer than a month
it's not supposed to be a one-and-done game
>WoW has millions of players
kek
Shadowlands had day 1 sales of 3.7m
Diablo 4 season 1 had like 10mil characters in week 1.
Meanwhile the only other arpg on the market has a flop league because nobody wants to play PoE anymore
Even if d4 had nobody return it already made money, Blizzard is a money printer you moron
Finally... le WoW Killer
THE ZELDA KILLER
WORLD OF WARCRAFT: DARKEST CLOUDS
>Is Dragonflight the WoW killer?
Weird way to spell Mists of Pandaria
>t. didn't play it
I don't waste my time with subpar products, that's correct.
The only way WoW can survive is if they start releasing expansions every single year. They are suffering incredible diminishing returns with each expansion since BFA.
This will kill it even faster than ever. Modern WoW is barely worth a single 15 dollar month a patch, let alone a yearly 60$ tip on top
They probably will go the EQ path once Riot's game releases.
>Once Riot's game releases.
Oh no no no no sister, you think it's actually going to come out?
So, it is true... the WoW killer was WoW itself...
The game size has become too huge and the system requirements are too high.
And all that just to "play" a game with propaganda/brainwashing.
We should find a new mmo to play. But it has to be made in the west.
How much brainrot do you have to suffer from to want MORE story in a fricking MMORPG?