When you can play everything on a PC, then what happens to the physical consoles and games people don't buy?
Is emulation killing preservation?
When you can play everything on a PC, then what happens to the physical consoles and games people don't buy?
FPGA chads will preserve the hardware
emulation just makes the hardware more accessible to people who want it. it doesn't phase out of existence.
FPGAs core are still emulation and are still less accurate and laggier due to lack of runahead
>and are still less accurate and laggier due to lack of runahead
Reminder that software emugays are literal morons.
>less accurate
>runahead
lmao runahead can't even cope with truly random RNG because one savestate can go out of sync with the main game and cause bugged inputs.
>less accurate due to no run ahead
3rd world brain everyone
>what if we emulate the hardware instead of writing a CPU/GPU interpreter
Shit is still an emulator, and still prone to accuracy problems as we witnessed with Analog NT's SNES.
I don't get why OP makes these stupid threads
Like he's never heard of a collector
Collectors are morons, you might as well be collecting funko pops
emulation is preservation. Also flashcarts, CD-Rs, and modchips exist
Entropy will come for the physical consoles sooner or later, let alone the games. The only thing matters is the information on the discs and cartridges.
*erases your ones and zeroes*
pssh, nothing personnel kid
>internet dies (wartime)
>everything is gone
>He thinks anybody here will be fighting
>Is the only true form of game preservation killing collectors, scalpers, and the used game market?
Yes, and that's a good thing
>then what happens to the physical consoles and games
They sit in closets and storage units until the owner dies and the inheritors don't know what to do with their old junk and throw it in a dumpster.
What are you even talking about? Someone needs to own a physical copy of something before they can upload it on the internet. And then it's free to download for everyone. It's hogging games and trying to kill rom sites that's killing game preservation.
>then what happens to the physical consoles and games people don't buy?
They die like the cancerous shit that they are.
OP being a homosexual as usual
Preservation is pointless
extreme normalgay opinion
Normalgays are the ones who care about being able to buy old games on modern platforms
No they're not.
Let's stop preserving you then.
>Verification not required.
You thought that was smart didn't you.
You thought that was smart didn't you.
Your existence is pointless
everything is killing preservation, i unironically think we should have a museam of old games for everything to come play like arcades once did
This reminds me of an arcade I saw in an airport, but instead of real consoles they had NES minis and other emulation boxes.
yeah its called retroarch
Retroarch doesn't supply the games itself, you still have to download them.
>Sure you'll have to go to the extra mile of getting a drawing pad or a wiimote to emulate certain features reliant on motion controls
I use my joycon because it uses Gyro, it works pretty well, despite how eh the controllers themselves are.
That works well. Gimmicky as the controls may be they are important and a key aspect of certain games like ARMS (even if you can do very well without) or the touch screen for TWEWY. If emulating those features was more difficult I'd unironically be in favor of owning the game systems. Very different from the modern home consoles of today like the Xbox or Playstation who should stop existing and have their games ported to PC, since they offer virtually no difference for the end-user in terms of gameplay as shown by ports like TLoU
>Retroarch doesn't supply the games itself, you still have to download them
i guess but its still not that much effort
is it open source? i bet i could make an addon that would fetch and export the files from vimms lair or something
CRTs are way to expensive. If I have to play on LCD I may as well emulate.
weak excuse, just find some shitty old one of these they do the job better anyways
Do you work at a plant also?
I don't settle on mediocrity. F520 or nothing.
how do you hook up a CRT to a computer?
VGA
Even shitty CRTs are getting expensive due to muh nostalgia gays.
Wrong, people still give them away regularly for free or cheap. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere or something.
>t. Got a 32 inch d series for free after checking Craigslist for a few weeks
>muh nostalgia gays b***hing about other muh nostalgia gays
this thread in a nutshell
you need to be careful with the language you use if you're looking for one on the internet, never use words like "retro", "vintage" "CRT" or god forbid an actual specific model, because then you're gonna be dealing with some bullshit scalper trying to exploit your nostalgia, instead use the most generic terms possible like "old sony tv" or "tube tv", because those are people that see them as an old piece of shit wasting space and only want to be rid of the fricking thing, many people will still give them away for free with the condition that you go pick it up
Emulation IS preservation. The original hardware will die eventually and it's no longer being made, if you want to maintain access to old games then you need methods to run old games on modern hardware.
Classic texts from Ancient Greece only survived because people copied them, then copied the copies, continuously for a thousand years. An “original-only” collection would have crumbled into dust a long time ago.
that's why developer interviews are so important, especially now that those who worked on classic games are retiring.
But the only thing Ganker is genuinely concerned about is bing bing wahoo produced in millions
>has the originals anyway so we don't need to copy them
1. Only scholars can read that shit, they have to translate it into languages people actually speak for it to be of use to anyone
2. The originals have to be kept in perfect condition or else they crumble to dust, hence copies are what many people will be studying
3. These originals have to keep being restored until they are more of a copy than they are the original thing
4. For many historical documents especially books the originals were already destroyed. The earliest texts we have of caesar's account of the garlic wars, for instance, are copies from hundreds of years later.
>The earliest texts we have of caesar's account of the garlic wars
Ahh yes, the garlic wars. Truly a dark time in Italian history.
after 100 years, what happens to the physical consoles and games people do buy? They will stop working but the specific arrangement of 1s and 0s will always live on.
>Sun permanently changes those 1s and 0s
heh nothin personal chud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=AaZ_RSt0KP8
110% this homosexual OP is both a tendie and a twitter Black person who reports posts about emulation or piracy by tagging Nintendo
All that old hardware is gonna rot anyways, its inevitable and most of the parts needed are not made anymore
You will die in the end.
No amount of hoarding plastic will fill the void in your heart.
Find meaning before it's too late.
I look like this and say this and do these things
I dont look like that but I do say and do all those things as well. I dont feel a single ways about it either. I love collecting video games.
What meaning? I am happy playing my games and chilling. Frick you.
It's because of those collectors that we have any knowledge of our history and culture. They will have made an enormous impact to society while you are forgotten dust.
Original hardware with method of playing pirated games > FPGA hardware emulation > Software emulation >>> Buying old vidya at inflated prices from white trash goobers
>thread about video game preservation
>devolves into morons talking about entry level console shit that was dumped and scanned multiple times, b***hing about emulators/carts/scalpers
natural effect of ~~*investors*~~ entering your hobby
See, another moron b***hing about scalpers like a redditor.
Collecting plastic is not video game preservation. this is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgm7UafXKy4
>this thing that makes sure games can be preserved is actually going to stop games from being preserved!!!!!
Corpos don't gave a frick about preservation moron
Also a reminder that ffps4 now have 100playable games
Bloodborne is launching at 30fps
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oh frick, I pounded my desk after seeing OP image. Those games all being unnaturally played on PC is just fricking wrong.
>Is preservation killing preservation?
Hardware will decay and eventually reach a point of antiquity that it can no longer be recreated. Emulation adapts to current hardware and will never have a bar to entry. The only downside is not being totally 1:1 with the original experience, but devs get are always getting closer.
Technically yes since most use it for piracy rather than legitimate preservation.
what's legitimate preservation? backups sure aren't because you would still have to mod your console to do so.
As long as someone has a copy of it, it's preservation.
No, no it isn't. No one who emulates cares about things like data decay or even knows how to restore or recreate it.
It's pure indulgence.
You're focusing on the medium itself instead of the data.
It's like being obsessed about type of paper instead of text of the book.
>You're focusing on the medium itself instead of the data
You're saying that as if I didn't refer specifically to the data and what can happen if it isn't preserved properly.
Which of course only proves my point that preservation isn't your main concern.
>It's like being obsessed about type of paper instead of text of the book.
It's more being obsessed about reading the book rather than making sure it's being transcribed as it fades.
Yes, but inaccuracies are caused by incorrect emulation, not the data.
You have the perfect iso/rom dump with all the data, only the emulator has speed/accuracy tradeoffs. You can still make a better, more accurate emulator.
You're only fricked when there's no data about the hardware itself, when everything is gone and you can't recreate HW itself in vhdl.
>not the data.
You are aware that data decay right? It's not just an emulation issue, actual files can decay with each copy
Rotational velocidensity only affects audio files encoded with lossy compression. These include mp3, aac, and ogg.
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions in the music community regarding the differences between 320kbps mp3 and FLAC format. It is true that 320kbps is technically as good as FLAC, but there are other reasons to get music in a lossless format.
Hearing the difference now isn’t the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is ‘lossy’. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA – it’s about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don’t want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.
I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange…well don’t get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren’t stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you’ll be glad you did.
In other words, you couldn't care less about the act of preservation.
No, I care about the aesthetic and culture of owning a CRT. It makes me part of an exclusive, superior group.
Yes, yes. We all have crts anon.
With that shitty crt you arent superior to anyone lmao. Get a decent one or stop pretending.
I already told you that making PERFECT bit-to-bit copies of games isn't a problems. These copies exist on multiple drives in multiple physical locations. They are preserved digitally. They will not stop existing. Even migration from one platform to another will not harm them. You can't easily connect C64 tape drive to modern pc, but games are already backed up. It's not an issue.
Not that anon but there's tons of examples of lost media, even for digital games from as late as the PSWii60 era.
But are they trully lost? You can't easily find them online, but some people might still have them offline somewhere. Just like the U.S. Library of Congress
how the frick does that matter if it's not available to the public? it's not preserved if it only exists as a disc in some random guy's desk that he'll likely throw out in a year.
>if it's not available to the public?
>he thinks that preservation and public access are synonymous
Have you ever wondered why archives aren't accessible to the public?
But, they are? The Library of Congress is open to the public. The National Archives are also open to the public.
Okay, one, a library isn't an archive.
Two the national archives preserve public records.
>a library isn't an archive.
Disagree, a library is an archive of books, if those books are lost (many of which are very old in the case of the Library of Congress) that it's basically an archive. An archive is an archive, doesn't matter the information. If you want another example, the Internet Archive is another one that's free and open to the public with documents dating all the way back to the 1900's.
Let me finish one thought; if those books are lost, then part of the archival of many historical artifacts and stories are also lost.
>, a library is an archive of books
A library by definition isn't a archive, since the point isn't to preserve
There's a lot of truly lost vidya for this thing. I think there's some Wiiware games that are also considered truly lost, but I can't find the names of them.
>there's some Wiiware games that are also considered truly lost
How the frick is that even possible? Piracy was rampant on that thing very early on, You'd think every game got dumped the day it was released simply because it existed.
The issue is there's no actual comprehensive, approved central source. There's likely no "lost" content, just shit that some people aren't aware is around, or that they themselves don't have access to (or, they didn't get from a verified source which is a hilarious throwback to the days of "good dumps" lmao)
I remember for years, like 2009-2015 or so, that the .hack//GU preorder terminal disc was lost media because no one had it.
Turns out it had been on about a hundred jap torrent sites (The NTSC-U disc, not even just the jap one) since day 1, these stupid fricking Black folk just never looked outside. Don't believe what anyone else says, only verify what you yourself can see.
He b doesn't understand what preservation actually is.
>In other words, you
Are a tard responding to a pasta.
>actual files can decay with each copy
are you pirating vhs movies or audio tapes? if not, then it's not an issue.
you have bazillion copies of that iso, so one person having a disk failure does not mean anything.
receompressing .jpg files on every repost on facebook and 9gag does not count
Pirates and game collectors are cut from the same cloth, they don't care about preservation if they have theirs.
There's a finite amount of hardware consoles out there, because I'm confident most of them ended up in a e-waste dump after newer generations came around. Hardware for older games is getting expensive and harder to find because people keep it to themselves as collectables. Do you think someone who keeps that media as a collectable will upload it?
>Do you think someone who keeps that media as a collectable will upload it?
Video Game Esoterica dumped all his 3DO M2 games and uploaded them to archive. org
One person out of the thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of people who could be dumping games instead keeping them, wow.
That's not moving a goal post, that's reinforcing my first statement; "Hardware for older games is getting expensive and harder to find because people keep it to themselves as collectables. Do you think someone who keeps that media as a collectable will upload it?" There's tons of collectors in the world who could be uploading the games the same as that one person, yet they aren't because they want it to be a collectable.
Most games are already uploaded. I can find complete sets of many consoles.
Now I will move the goalpost; Some libraries are also old or aren't clean rips of the game, so it will depend on where you get them. I will also add that with rips of the games, decomp is also an option, even if it's a lengthy process.
But they are there and exist. Would be nice to have perfect clean rips of everything. But a complete set of some is nice to have. Only issues is always bitrot.
Can't deny it. I'm sure some people are trying to get as many clean rips as possible, too.
People don't dump rare games because of fear of legal repercussions, specially the Japanese.
But I agree with you that hoarding that shit doesn't do any favors. Donating rare games to a video game/arcade museum that would backup the software and preserve the hardware and be open for people to play them would be preferable.
i'm sure your plastic will stand the test of time
You've got it all wrong. Emulation is literally the ultimate ally of preservation and ownership of your games. Sure you'll have to go to the extra mile of getting a drawing pad or a wiimote to emulate certain features reliant on motion controls but it's a great thing to be able to conserve and play almost every single game released in the last 40 years.
Nice frontend
preservation is more than just the hardware, anon. if there's only one physical copy of a game you can't get digitally, you can preserve it, but nobody gets to experience it. there's no problem with emulation, especially if we're relating the issue to physical media.
>the physical consoles and games
They'll rot away regardless if anyone buys them or not, piracy and emulation are LITERALLY the only ways to preserver games forever.
emulation removes the adventure of gaming. Imagine trying to scour for an extremely rare game and console worth hundreds and deciding nah I'll just download it in a few seconds and clicks.
Stupid take. It just moved the search to online.
>Imagine trying to scour for an extremely rare game and console
you mean checking ebay
No.
CHADmulation is the safest form of software preservation
>is permanently preserving the data killing preservation?
Do you read the moronic shit you type?
Those physical copies are much less preservable, anon.
You literally cannot preserve physical media for any length of time that matters, short of carving it on stone tablets and even then it's victim to the degradation of time. Things have to go digital.
>b-b-but the real console is better
And there is zero answer to consoles and CRTs and the like being damaged and destroyed with time. Nobody is making new ones. Physical preservation does not work, the best you can hope for is endless copying until the 'preserved' version no longer resembles the original.
Hard disks and solid state drives will outlast any of the cheap plastic discs you use to store games on.
>solid state drives will outlast any of the cheap plastic discs you use to store games on
moron
prove it homosexual
leave one of your ssds and 1 disc (cd, dvd, blu-ray, doesnt matter) for 2 years on your shelf. dont touch them, do not use them. then come back and I'll laugh at you (because by that time your ssd will die and the disc will still work perfectly).
You can copy the files off the SSD though
The disc will eventually get scratched or rot away as well, so why would you not rip it and copy it to a hard drive as well
You could also just burn a disc with all your roms if you're that paranoid
>in my hyperspecific contrived scenario DVDs are better
Very cool, now in the real world?
>Is emulation killing preservation?
>When you can play everything on a PC, then what happens to the physical consoles and games people don't buy?
Why are these guys such obvious coomlectors, scalpers, israelites, Tendies, or predditors? They’re so desperate (retro prices are cooling off a bit right now they’ll never come all the way down though) that these posters are probably the bag holders that got stuck on the way up, now they’re trying to psyop others into grabbing the hot potato but no one’s biting. Hey uh maybe you shouldn’t emulate or use flash carts haha maybe my copy of panzer dragoon saga I have on eBay is the way to go haha?
The capacitors blow, the SRAM batteries fail and eventually the eeproms start shitting themselves
Physical preservation has no future
it all gets fricking wiped when a sunspot shoots off in our direction so who fricking cares
>emulation
>is killing preservation
The math aint mathin.
Physical consoles and games have a limited lifetime. Normies throw them to the literal trash or give them to a scrap yard, lasers go bad, capacitor leak and irreversibly frick up the internals, nobody makes spare parts anymore, game CD/DVDs literally rot with time. They won't be around forever. Emulators is a guarantee you can play old games, execute old software forever, unless literally all digital storage dies at the same time.
If you know how electronics work, or at least know how to solder then you probably will be able to fix a console with a bad cap or resistor, unless the board is 100% fricked. All you need are the schematics and well, whatdya know?
https://www.electroschematics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/sony-ps2-scph-39001.pdf
If every video game in existence was erased in an irrecoverable matter tomorrow I would be sad for two days at most.
I guess it's good to preserve things for humanity as a whole but you have to come to terms with the fact that everything is temporary and these things don't matter as much as you think.
>implying some manchildren's personal collection helps preserve anything
There is a reason why books and films are getting digitalized and not just rotting in some moron's "collection"
>emulation
Perfect timing OP,just got everything up & running on my V1 switch, couple of questions though......
1st------->Can it play Sega Saturn game reliablly?
2nd----->PS1 seems to be hit & miss the FPS jump around a ton,is there any standalone exe like duckstarion instead of using RetroArch
3-----> Once I get the PS1 emulator up,can you still play multiplayer games using joycons?
You can download entire library of everything from NES era up to the PS1 and N64 era and probably fit it on a 2tb drive. Double that to add Gamecube and PS2. I don't see the issue. You can just store them on several backup drives.
that's THEFT motherfricker, nothing to be proud of
People are willing to pay the developers not the scalers anon.
No, it's piracy, and it's inherently good
I'm going to sound like a total gay but frick it.
All my life I dreamed about having every game. I thought I'd need to be a billionaire and rent out a blimp hangar to fit them all. Imagine my surprise when literally every game that ever existed before I entered middle school fits on a tiny hard drive.
Just bought two 8 TB drives myself. Got everything up through 6th gen and now I don't know what to do.
Lets be entirely real, there are >10 games older than 20yo still worth playing and even then most of those are for historical purposes. The VAST majority of games dont need preservation, did not have any cultural significance and might as well be forgotten. Super Mario Bros, Doom, and Pac-Man aren't in any danger of being lost and with good reason they're important games with a culture legacy.
Penguin Wars didn't matter when it came out, no one cares now, and no child will find joy playing it in the future, it doesn't need to be persevered.
No, physical games not containing data anymore does that.
I bought 6 games in the last 4 years. Every single one had nearly 0 data on the disc, and instead just functioned as a key (you know, something you could fit in a ~1kb text file) to show that I actually had the disc put in the machine. ALL of the data had to be downloaded.
Anyone who watched that video is a sheeple
What video
>Is emulation killing preservation?
No. Sorry you fell for the coomlector physical meme homosexual.
There's no value in preserving plastic. The game is the software, and emulation/piracy has assured that it will be preserved forever.
Why were bootlegs ever considered piracy if people didn't profit from it? We can trace back the supposed stigma for vidya back to that with old films and such, right?
>bootlegs
>people didn't profit
Not that they didn't at all, but that there were some who didn't among those who did and they were all grouped together.
>there were some who didn't among those who did
Just because they were shitty at their job doesn't mean they were morally absolved.
>morally
Forget that. Regardless of how you feel, there's a difference between profiting on someone else's creation and simply enjoying it, yet the law has always been blind to this distinction. That blindness is what I'm asking about.
The moral issue is that these people are selling the bootlegs under the pretense that it is authentic, or that it even works properly.
>"Forget that."
Not my problem. Maybe the og shouldn't make it so hard to get them. We all know there is no physical limitation, just artificial walls in place.
how do you live with knowing even if you don't think you harmed anyone, Nintendo considers you an enemy for any kind of emulation
Why would that bother any sane individual?
Emulation is preservation... no matter the hardware, the day it will no longer be repairable will come, it is just a matter of time.
>then what happens to the physical consoles and games people don't buy?
The popular games for retro consoles are the ones that are selling big bucks right now. Want to play Pokémon Yellow, Yoshi's Island, and Super Mario 64 all on genuine hardware? That'll be $130 plus shipping and tax, all for bare carts.
I never thought pirating a game would be an act of preservation... I mean, for an example, the original versions of GTA III, Vice City and San Andreas are no longer available on Steam... only the revised and politically correct remastered versions (cut songs, cut Confederate flags, etc...)
They have full control of how current games are released, and also full control to change what they released 40 years ago...
Pirate away lads.
Emulation is preservation because all those old systems are dying and won't last forever.
ah frick was cdromance nuked
No?
All that's popping up from the .org is something about tickets
wait >org
what the frick something in my url swapped it from the com jesus christ i'm moronic
>what happens to the physical consoles and games people don't buy
They stay in the hands of the few who have them and get passed down to others.
emulation is enabling preservation
good fricking luck finding a retro console, connecting it somehow to new TVs and bying a bunch of games that scalpers price for 10x their real value.
Without emulation and people dumping their shit all of this won't be possible.
Besides snoys for example allows you to emulate ps1-ps3 games but their emulator is cancer and does not give you the same flexibility in settings, mods and cheats.
Don't know what you're smoking, duckstation is based entirely off of popstation, the PSP emulator for PS1.
the official emulators are almost always used as a basis for emulation until it hits that weird convergence point where they flip it around and use emulators for official releases (like konami does, they just use jnes for their castlevania classics collection, though I think for that one kid dracula game they use fceu)
Blame mickey mouse for the 95 year copyright cartel. If it was shorter we could have legal hardware clones and cartridges keeping old games in constant production instead of artifical scarcity.
Emulation is preservation
A small reminder that there are loads of what may as well be lost games from Japan because Nintendo decided to make Satellaview and most games will be completely lost to time.
And that's okay.
No.
I buy them cheap, that's what happens.
I wish I could get a copy of Mario Sunshine for like $30
What is this shit thread?
1. Emulation means easy guaranteed access to all games forever.
2. Everyone wants physical consoles and games, of the older stuff anyways - newer stuff only has 10% of the content on the disc so that shit is largely pointless.
3. Preservation is in real danger for modern stuff because all that garbo is online only with 2123 updates and DLC. Thankfully many new titles aren't worth preserving so who cares.
that's all theft and taking away from corporation profits. For example, if Nintendo re-releases an SNES game for 20 dollars, what's stopping you from just saying "frick that" and downloading that game for free
>then what happens to the physical consoles and games people don't buy?
you also emulate them, DUH!
>rutracker.net
For anyone looking for roms and isos, there are a ton of full console libraries torrents in here, got the collection of DS and 3DS roms the other day.
Who gives a frick as long as you can still play it, then it is preserved.