The more people decide to just emulate games over buying consoles and games physically, the quicker older stuff will rot away into extinction
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Is Emulation killing preservation?
the Gamecube is old enough to be taken to a bar, roofie its drink, take it home and frick it, and you would only get an assault charge, and not a statutory rape.
thats not how that works
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fpbp reminding people that if women get to act like cavewomen, men get to act like cavemen.
It just means the casuals who would buy those consoles and take care of them poorly won't touch the already existent supply
As long as stuff gets properly dumped, then the data will long out live the hardware. Emulation is good for preservation in the sense that the data will still exist.
I don't give a frick, I'm not paying some greedy israelite for used shit.
Disks will rot, so going digital is the key way to save these things.
Speaking of, can we expect consoles like the Gamecube to eventually develop a homebrew scene?
Someone made a Rocket League clone for it
Scalpers beg to differ, and it's not as if emulation isn't preservation in its own right.
15 years ago gamestop had bins full of n64s and ps1’s for like $20 each and nowadays they run for like $100 or more.
this has nothing to do with emulation, it’s just old hardware getting harder to find as they aren’t produced any longer
It's more opportunism and scalping. Japan doesn't have this problem (as bad). Most games and consoles had massive production runs and are not scarce. If I can go to fricking ebay and there's even one listing consistently, it's not scarce. The retro sellers unironically prices themselves out of the market. I've seen lots of independent stores (the guys who went around locally buying up all the cheap vidya at garage sales and flea markets in the summer at the ass crack of dawn) go out of business and have to liquidate rather than just drop their prices to something sane.
Retro got hit with the "I KNOW WHAT I GOT" booomerism. It happened to Atari back in the late 90s then it crashed so hard you couldn't pay people to take 2600-related stuff off you.
However I think with Millennials this will last a long time. We're already past the age when Gen-X got over it's Atari craze and our 90s craze is showing now sign of slowing down.
>Japan doesn't have this problem (as bad).
it does now, thanks to all the fricking weebs and scalpers importing shit to resell in eu/us
>liquidate
Doesn't that mean tge have to sell them at whatever price someone would pay fir?
>someone
They don't just have a fire sale where they drop prices and people come in and buy all their shit (that is one method of liquidation, but this market is so deathlily scared of the idea that their competition would come in and make more than them) their entire remaining inventory is auctioned off or sold off all at once to liquidators so they take everything, even all the garbage sportsball games no one wants.
Yep. And also literal auction pumping scams for graded games run by fricking israelites. I think 4th gen is starting to finally go down, slowly at least except for particular titles. I think the problem with the vidya market is there's no real central marketplace for selling JUST games. It's all confined to ebay in the West for some reason and part of the reason the drops are slow is because ebay fees and regulations are extremely high. Compare vidya to something like the CCG scene where you have sites like TCGplayer and Cardmarket where there is real competition between big sellers and individuals where it's much easier to be more informed on sales and get an average market price and the vidya scene just looks fricking primitive in comparison. Which is really funny to me because the CCG scene is also extremely israelitey, but it's coming more from the source of the companies that print the cards than the 3rd party market. Seriously, how the frick is the bulk of western vidya STILL stuck on the confines of ebay??
Preservation is not what you think.
Preservation is not keeping the actual physical objects in place (though that's a nice bonus) preservation is about keeping a way to access these things available. Emulation is a better form of preservation than every museum in the world, because it's impossible to completely remove the presence of roms, whereas if a museum loses, breaks, or otherwise cannot maintain the items in their care, they're fricking gone, forever, period, no takesies backsies. This already happened with one video game historical museum.
museums are shit because it's either they dont own the shit anyway and paying people to 'rent' their displays or are greedy israelites who will sell you the shit they have for the right price.
Why do people want physical media to stick around if all they ever think about is money?
@664760238
coming from the guy who only thinks about eating shit....
I highly doubt the majority of people who emulate old games would be buying, keeping and maintaining retro consoles if they couldn't emulate those game
Emulation is the only thing really perserving older titles. Especially with super obscure stuff.
>NO YOU MUST BUY THE PHYSICAL GAME AND CONSOLE THAT'S HOW IT IS MEANT TO BE PLAYED™
Anti emulation people are butthurt they spent hundreds of dollars on old games or because they see it as an investment
>NO YOU MUST BUY THE PHYSICAL GAME AND CONSOLE THAT'S HOW IT IS MEANT TO BE PLAYED™
If you didn't play the game on a rainy tuesday night after school with the volume cranked to drown out your parents arguing about the upcoming divorce in the other room you didn't really experience the game as was intended by the developers and should kys.
Signed,
/vr/
That's a nice strawman. I've never seen anyone who is actually anti-emulation, only people who rightfully say that it isn't a replacement for the original experience or isn't their preference, or will point out that emulation still to this day is flawed for certain titles. The only fact you can say for sure is there are people who are only emulating because they can't afford physical. There's nothing wrong with that but when you see that they also own some readily available current-gen games, you can tell that it isn't a preference, they're just poorgays who won't put much money into their hobby.
25 years ago the general consensus was that emulation was bad.
Nah I think the people who created the artificially inflated bubble want to cash out.
the problem is cancer ass playstation normies from 1995 who think of games as a sort of service and not as a actual of art
they play one game and never touch that game again why should they? all the care for is cinematic story trash that you could also watch on youtube and it would make no difference
Emulation IS preservation.
If only Nintendo released Palworld for the GameCube it wouldn't have flopped as it did.
What if dickheads did not scalp the frick out of retro games people would give the old stuff a go.
I got a Dreamcast but skys of Arcadia is always expensive so why not emulate, crt tvs being another money hole modding old consoles can be fun but overall emulate everything you can’t beat free
I will never pay for a remake, a re-release, a subscription service, an online service, or inflated used game prices. I will emulate, I will pirate, I will use flash carts/hacks/softmods, and (you) will continue seething until the day they put your miserable homosexual corpse into the ground.
Looks like an og starwars prop, no one would bat an eye.
>making games available to literally everyone
>killing preservation
it's just a scalper homosexual trying to guilt people into buying is price gouged shit.
Who cares about pieces of plastic? Its the data that's actually important to preserve.
Scalpers are killing that shit.
>spend money you could put towards a house, bills, paying down debt, or investing towards 20 year old tendieslop
Shalom
physical bros...
i don't feel so good...
Just getting your game collection robbed is much more common. and a more bigger fear than the whole house burning.
A bunch of units got broken into at my apartment complex , they did get into mine but for whatever reason when they saw my nerd dungeon they decided to just move on.
People are overpricing the ever living shit out of older games where it's just not worth it. Also I feel like people are modifying these old consoles now more and more which is more worrisome when it comes to extinction.
>Also I feel like people are modifying these old consoles now more and more
Idk if that's true. I used to do mods years ago without worrying because things used to be cheap, but now one mistake can be expensive.
FPGA options and cycle accurate emulation is also driving the demand for these down a bit I think. Not Gen 6 and only semi Gen 5, but it is.
>FPGA
Really?
yes. CPSII hardware was recently decapped and we have verilog code of the hardware now.
Speculation is killing preservation because they're pricing people out of owning them. Emulation is the response, not the cause.
Game collecting is stupid and always will be, you're just wasting money on games you can't even play with the inevitable laser failure that happens on disc based systems.
The real strategy is collecting consoles and modding them or using flashcarts to run their whole library without any discs or risking damage to old authentic carts.
>you're just wasting money on games you can't even play with
I mean guys so that woth vtubers why is that ok?
Actually it's with a normal 2view hobby streamer for me
because guys is then whon streaming
Huh? The more you tell people to go out and buy a retro console and games, the more they disappear from circulation, the more people break the remaining units and controllers for them, and the more the price and demand for them go up. Emulation may only be software preservation, but all the hardware is fated to die someday, no matter what. The "true" authentic experience has sadly been usurped by resellers and hoarders, there's just nothing you can do about it.
look man I don’t want to open up my old GameCube just to desolder a crusty old CMOS to get things working as they should
just emulate everything
Does it matter? Does every single game need to be preserved in physical form eternally? Only the essentials? What's the cutoff? Who decides?
You dumbass, that shit is gonna rot away regardless, you think plastic lasts forever? Fool!
>emulation preserves gaming!
what if the internet goes down or the providers are taken down
Better hurry up and upload that shit to your own storage then.
Damn, I'm smart and I'm not even trying.
Can I give you a blowjob?
Then it will go back up and the servers will be restored from backups.
If the internet goes down permanently you have bigger problems than video game preservation.
i have ROM fullsets for a half dozen systems on multiple storage devices.
I'm sure it'll be fine
>mfw gave my brother my 1st edition Pokemon cards
>he says sure I'll have them appraised for you
>mfw 2 ***** years past get a random phone call "sorry anon my kids destroyed them by mistake"
Never felt my blood pressure boil so much,now I'll never know how much some of those holo's we're worth ......
older stuff will not rot into extinction when it's not being used, the opposite is true actually.
digital/roms are a way to preserve old shit.
Emulation preserves the part that actually matters: the game.
I play video games. I don't collect plastic.
Ok let us know when emulation is finally reliable beyond consoles from 1994. Until then I'll be playing every game bug free on OG hardware.
>bug free on OG hardware
lmao
Did you forget to type more words or was that it?
I would easily call PS1 emulation reliable, with Mednafen at least
https://forum.fobby.net/index.php?t=msg&th=1357
They squashed a lot of bugs but obviously a lot more remain that no one either noticed or spoke about
>https://forum.fobby.net/index.php?t=msg&th=1357
Thanks. I've been trying to figure out if saturn emulation is good enough or if it's worth biting the bullet and getting the console.
Rather just use my own hardware to play whatever I want. A little programming goes a long way.
>The more people decide to just emulate games
Nobody "decides" to emulate games. It's the option you were forced into because you couldn't afford OG hardware and a CRT TV.
Emulation is preservation you dumb frick
>Saturn and PS2 are perfectly emulated.
Yes, it's completely killing it.
PS1 is close to being perfect, Saturn not so much but its at a pretty good level, i'd say only SNES, Gameboy and NES are objectively as close to perfection as they are ever going to be.
What games are wrong on saturn? I tried beetle saturn recently and couldn't see any errors.
PS2 emulation being based off of so many individual hacks and various plugins for the emulator with one of the most massive libraries of any console is some real shit. I'll be dead long before a good PS2 emulator surfaces.
>preservation
HURRY EVERYONE, SEND YOUR GAMES TO A TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED MUSEUM WHERE YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO PLAY THE GAMES!
there's a grillion videos on how to take care of old consoles and fix them