Is everyone ready for the next wave of MARINES coming this week? Are you excited for Primaris Assault and Scout squads?
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Is everyone ready for the next wave of MARINES coming this week? Are you excited for Primaris Assault and Scout squads?
I'm excited for the rules, but I'm just gonna 3d print them. I ain't paying for shit.
His drip was so much better in 1. Frick Primaris marines look like duplo toys compared to actual marines.
>drip
This, he literally looks like a toy in two.
As opposed to the toy he looked like in 1?
>hey guys did you believe they based the design of this guy off a toy? He looks like a toy!
Seriously?
Its weird how the graphics are objectively better in SM2 but there is something off about the designs.
He literally has the same armor in 2
Did you even compare the images? II is a less detailed primaris armor. For example, shoulderpads are simpler. The chest symbol has at least remained the same, but thats iconic to the game series so would be idiotic to change.
He got demoted between games. he's not gonna dress like a captain anymore.
they look the same to me.
Why is his pose so fricking awkward lol
It's "dynamic". But yeah, generic assault intercessors do it better.
They probably wanted to recreate everyone's favorite model: Lieutenant in Reiver armour.
Looks like he slipped and he's a little older so based off his facial expression he did a little fart too.
I agree its really clumsy. I did some conversion and reversed the foot that he's stepping up with with somewhat mixed results. Also politely do not look at the soulless pupil-less eyes too hard.
that looks a lot better even if it's not perfect
Aren't they just taller marines?
Their armor, especially the helmets, looks silly
But still, they are tall marines with slightly more detailed bits on them. That's about it?
Taller marines that are technically physically better but they die faster from old age and a lot of their armors technology is worse. for instance instead of having maglocks that you could attach weapons to, all weapons need holsters and they only rarely get access to things like missile launchers and grav weapons.
MK X Tacticus armor is stated to incorporate the most advanced elements of all previous power armor patterns according to the 8th ed codex.
>rarely use missiles and gravs
Primaris have an entire Missile squad type in the Desolators. The Primaris techmarine has a grav-pistol and Tor Garradon has a grav-gun. Hellblasters also use the most advanced imperial plasma guns.
Desolators are the moment Primaris jumped the shark. Aggressores looked dumb but you could maybe justify them as a new kind of heavier armour. There is no excusing desolators
Looks like they are currying fricking Ratchet & Clank weapons
Starcraft goofy looking mother fricker but then GW lost their unique artistic style sometime in 5th ed
votann have a really strong starcraft marine look to them too
>Are you excited for Primaris Assault and Scout squads?
We already got assaults though.
>Firstborn are actually gonna get phased out
It's truly over
I mean was anyone ever deluded enough to believe they weren't? GW can say whatever shit they want but it was plainly obvious that Primaris would eventually replace all of the real marines. I honestly wouldn't be too asshurt about it they fricking kept Primaris in a mostly 1:1 combat role but that is very obviously not happening. Where's the Tactical Squad? Where's the Devastators? Primaris are hyper specialized. They're basically just imperial aspect warriors and if I wanted that I'd just fricking play Eldar who are 100x more powerful in the meta right now.
>was anyone ever deluded enough to believe they weren't?
There are people who will always take GW's side and believe anything they.
>if they fricking kept Primaris in a mostly 1:1 combat role but that is very obviously not happening. Where's the Tactical Squad? Where's the Devastators?
This was all they had to do. Keep all the old units, just give them new kits. Primaris will always be fake Marines.
>Keep all the old units, just give them new kits.
What's most bizarre is that they did exactly that with CSM, and people were generally happy with the updates. Why do this moronic lore-raping bullshit with loyalists?
>Why do this moronic lore-raping bullshit with loyalists?
Because piggies keep paying
>was anyone ever deluded enough to believe they weren't?
A lot actually. Some of them thought that GW refreshing Terminators was a sign that Firstborn were gonna stay...... ignoring the fact that GW retconned Termi armor into being wearable by Primaris all along, meaning that all those nuTermis we're seeing are Primaris
There is something so fricking infuriating about
>Yes. They're right where you left them and
and I don't even play SM.
It's the smarmy tone that reeks of that smug bastard you hate.
Primaris are just an excuse to update their most popular line of models to something less stylized. The lore is completely secondary. I find it so bizarre when people say “they should have just made it a new armor model”… because thats pretty much what happened. The shit about 3 extra organs and a high death rate for conversion are just fluff. Clearly we’re moving towards a world without “firstborn” and “primaris”… there’s just going to be marines. Maybe the very rare exception for a famous veteran but that’s it. Do people actually not see that?
That's my take too. I'm OK with Mark X marines as long as:
1. we still have mark VII tactical, devastator and assault (vanguard veteran marines are enough, as long as they wear mark VI/VII),
2. we have codex entries of those units (no legends),
3. they update mark VII miniatures (to HH standards at least),
4. we keep classic rhino, land raider, razor back and predator vehicles.
And, of course, the primaris lore must be gone. Permamently.
If GW does that - I'll be happy. And keep buying their stuff.
>no legends
Anon, Legends is literally legal everywhere thats not a GW tournament or a tournament that explicitly goes by GW rules.
For everything else, Legends are 100% legal and you don't have to ask your opponent to let you. That's how it works in 10th.
I know, but legends aren't mainstream. And you never know if some butthole in GW will figure out that deleting legends will bump their sales.
100% agreed, that aspect warrior garbage + cringe weapon designs/names made me stop collecting my SM force. It's especially infuriating when compared to my main army, CSM, there they just gave us new upscaled models without ripping out the soul and flavor.
And the argument that grogs wouldn't rebuy their whole army without new rules is absolute horseshit, I had 50 old CSM marines and 15 terminators and still replaced them all because of a higher painting skill and nicer models.
>Where's the Tactical Squad?
Intercessors.
>Where's the Devastators?
Hellblasters, Desolators.
>
What's most bizarre is that they did exactly that with CSM, and people were generally happy with the updates. Why do this moronic lore-raping bullshit with loyalists?
>Why do this
Space Marines had had an update only a few years before, while Chaos Marine kits were much older. Space Marines have a bigger fanbase, so when a new unit is made more people will buy them.
>Intercessors
Tactical marines come with bolters, a gravgun, a meltagun, a plasma gun, a flamer, and a missile launche. The squad Sergeant can be armed with a combination of power fist, power sword or chainsword, and plasma pistol, grav pistol or bolt pistol. You can also make any 1 of the following combi-bolters – combi-grav, combi-melta, combi-plasma, or combi-flamer. This is also in addition to grenades
Intercessors come with... three flavors of boltguns. I don't even think they come with grenades.
>Tactical marines come with bolters, a gravgun, a meltagun, a plasma gun, a flamer, and a missile launche. The squad Sergeant can be armed with a combination of power fist, power sword or chainsword, and plasma pistol, grav pistol or bolt pistol. You can also make any 1 of the following combi-bolters – combi-grav, combi-melta, combi-plasma, or combi-flamer. This is also in addition to grenades
And yet all that gets taken is the mathematically most viable option. Then seven models in the unit proceed to be useless wound counters.
Competitive players are a fricking blight on 40k.
You can bet that GW has a "tactical intercessors" upgrade sprue ready for when they retire the old tacticals.
GW has been moving away from squad upgrades for a while preferring units ‘as is’.
At least for space marines, in order to make it easier for new players and speed up the game
>Intercessors come with... three flavors of boltguns
Not anymore lol. They all got folded into a single profile, same with the hellblasters and the heavy intercessors. They have Clan Boltguns, Clan Plasmaguns, and Clan biggerer Boltguns.
>And yet all that gets taken is the mathematically most viable option.
And it's Las/Plas/Fist once again. Free wargear is dumb as frick, it's just GW throwing up their hands and trying to force Power Level because it's somebody's baby.
>Then seven models in the unit proceed to be useless wound counters.
I would really like to be able to choose how many guys are in the squad thanks GW. They force the ten man in my Tau too and it pisses me off. Why can't I split my Pathfinders into a squad with guns that wants to be guided and a squad without who guides? No reason. Why are they ten men strong in a species with eight fingers? Why do Boyz cap at 20? There's a lot of arbitrary shit in 10th.
's the Devastators?
>Hellblasters, Desolators.
Wrong
Missiles: Desolation Squad
Lascannons: Las-fusil Eliminators
Multi-Meltas: Eradicators
Heavy Bolters: Heavy Intercessors (ish)
Plasma Cannons: Hellblasters (ish)
Grav Guns: No doubt in the pipeline.
They turned each gun into a new squad. Geez, I wonder why the marine range is so bloated...
I hope we get Grav Gun flying troops.
If anything they'll be like Tor Garadon, similar to how Aggressors are just Calgar, the Unit.
>I mean was anyone ever deluded enough to believe they weren't?
Yes. The average person isn't very good at critical thinking, and 50% of the population are even worse than average. They're the kind of people that don't understand when the slippery slope argument does and doesn't apply so just dismiss it entirely.
>it they fricking kept Primaris in a mostly 1:1 combat role
They could have redone the range like they did with CSM and everyone would have like it but nooo, they just had to make something completely different but much better and make your existing army unplayable.
Primaris are the worst kind of fanfiction tier design and lore writing
>make something completely different
they didn't
>but much better
they aren't
>make your existing army unplayable.
they didn't until you're a tourneygay, and only 6 years later has become an issue, while giving players plenty of alternate new models which are almos 1:1 replacements
>Primaris are the worst kind of fanfiction tier design and lore writing
They were made by Jes Goodwin, the same dude in charge of marine design since 1990
Dementia comes for us all, anon.
More like he and the other GW designers were bored after decades and wanted to do something different.
Literally the same reason the old illustrators like Adrian Smith left GW.
I'm a firm believer in letting shit frickin die. Milking things for decades just sucks out anything that made it good, and you wind up with shit that isn't interesting anymore but keeps getting rehashed because you can't make something new
>if I can’t enjoy thing no one else should
Are you 11?
>Primaris are the worst kind of fanfiction tier design and lore writing
They are literally the same thing as old marines but with less genetic flaws.
>they are the same thing, but with the interesting bits ripped out
It's really ogre
aside from the ironclad, assault squad and maybe bike squads were any of the other units really used that often, feels like I barely saw them?
thats pretty much why they are getting phased out first, gw is starting small by getting rid of the units nobody will complain to much about removing and work their way up, shit like tactical squads will likely be the last to go but that day will eventually come
They are already gone dipshit. Manlet marines are BUHBYE
I always thought land speeders were cool and imagined the day I would pick up space marines and spam them. But it never happened because I could never justify it. The cost, in terms of hobby time, money, finding a way to transport a dozen of the fricking things, losing all my games because they were shit anyway, it all added up to it never happening. Maybe I'm just stuck in my youth where the died to a fricking plasma gun but its obvious GW would rather sell something new to everyone than try to make an old model good on the table.
I use them in ultimate apocalypse
Krieg in plastic would be fricking awesome but I don't need another arMmYyYy
They already have Krieg Kill Team plastic kits and they're really detailed.
I wouldn't mind a box with 10 basic ass infantry though, especially because the KT box only comes with 10 and you need 14.
Stupidly ai-"enhanced" pic.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARMAGEDDON STEEL LEGION ITS NOT FAIR
gib Praetorians
Fricking finally. I hate cadian/catachan aesthetics so much it's unreal.
>More Kriegers
>still no Vostroyans
Its suffering to love space Cossacks.
suffering breeds greatness
Just printrecast. If they don't sell oficial models it their loss.
Also there is fun models there.
>New Krieg
I bet they are gonna frick them up, like they did with the kill team.
>Molds for 40k EC have been made
What's EC?
Emperor's Children
The other "dedicated" legions (DG, TS, WE) already got codexes and models, so the EC is logically up next to get an army book
They need to roll all this stuff back into one codex. DG is the only stand alone faction they did well and I’m pretty sure that was a fluke.
You meant to say thousand sons, surely
That's because DG was a starter set faction.
You mean Codex: Tzaangors
The EC has the most potential out of the four of them but I don't trust GW to make the most of that.
>The EC has the most potential out of the four of them
Elaborate.
Space marine players are truly the biggest cucks in the Warhammer fandom since they are the most targeted demographic to sell to. Idk about you but super special soldiers in power armoe don't even match the theme of grim dark they are trying to get.
Thousands sons you mean.
Never played 40k but does people actually like this army of clones or are they equally scorned as moronic stormcasts?
Some Primaris kits alone outsell the entire AoS range. Just like how Tactical Squads alone used to outsell the entire Fantasy range
That’s not a big surprise the AoS minis all look fricking awful
What the frick is this chart and what’s its certifications? Is this just random frickers from one website
people dont generally like the first wave of primaris kits but a lot of the more recent ones are way better
>range introduced solely to force marinepiggies to build their armies from the start
>lol guys surely your previous marines will remain legal
>PAKi THREAD
corp shill? bots? or eternally online?
>scout squads
If they put actual armor on them instead of fricking tank tops while imperial guard run around in full carapace yes
If not throw them back in the fricking trash
Leandros tried to save us from this.
Leandros betrayed his Captain, his Chapter, the Codex Astartes and Roboute Guilliman. Fricker should be dead, by rights.
>captain is displaying abilities that could be warp frickery in nature
>he tells me it's totally cool though
>suddenly remember how patient and crafty chaos is
>decide to do the smart thing and call the dudes who can figure it out before this fricker gets a chance to create his own chaod warband
Leandros forgot that he was a character in one of the least 40k games ever made. You can hardly blame him for it. I don't know why people give titus a pass.
Except there’s an entire Champlaincy and librarius specifically for this. He wasn’t wrong for bringing in an expert he was just wrong for jumping dick first to the last option without any regard for the chapter
>wanted to get into 40K
>see they are increasing model sizes and changing chunks of armies
>decide to wait a few years instead
Why would I buy anything if it might be phased out (soon)? I know games always grow/change/rotate but it seems like a fairly significant change.
realistically anything you buy now that isn't manlets will be around plenty long
If you are not marine you are safe. Eldar have 30 yo kits.
Marinelets are just assmad they didnt see the writing on the wall when the Primaris were first released and kept buying firstborn. Even though they have had fricking years to stop.
As long as you aren't a moron like they are you'll be fine. Pick a xenos faction, we get way less love and attention and while it may seem a bad thing, its actually a double edged sword. Means we have less chance of getting Primaris'd.
I don't understand this style of argumentation. Someone picks marines, because he likes them for a certain esthetic and type of build. And then the person is suppose to change to play a xeno army, which is nothing he likes or wants, just because GW decided that instead of making "primaris" a new model mark, they would rather invalidate people collections.
Yes, they are supposed to change and play a different army if they don't want to go full Primaris. Plenty of us knew this was coming and it was called a conspiracy when we brought it up. You have had YEARS to either stock up on firstborn and play count as, or sell your firstborn and get into a new army. Frick if you still want to play with your manlets get to converting and go play Chaos. Make a renegade chapter. Maybe your boys went rogue because they refuse to be Primaris.
But you all really, really should have seen this coming. When the sugar daddy brings in the younger, prettier hoe you should realize that you're about to get replaced.
>why would I buy a videogame there will just be a sequel
>why would I buy a graphics card there will just be a better one
>why would I buy a car there will just be a new one
>why would I buy a sandwhich it will be gone when I eat it
What did you guys practice with to learn to paint? Wanting to get into the hobby but I worry about fielding the fricking ugliest army ever seen. Would like cheap army men work?
I just picked up some models for other cheaper games just to paint, play opr with my brother so they don't go to complete waste
Whfb night goblins. They're ridiculously simple to paint (and cheap, you don't need many colors) but good practice.
No, the idea that my army was legened, because GW wanted to upscale marines AND make people rebuy their armies, does not make me exited. I have my metal scouts, my RAS, my tacticals and my razorbacks. I just wanted fun rules to play with.
3.5e still exists anon
And where I live people don't even play 9th. Your advice could be great for places where people do stuff like that.
>Are you excited for Primaris Assault and Scout squads?
Why yes I am actually.
I'm just going to continue to use my old models. If I wanna run Eradictors I'll just grab two Tactical Marines with Meltaguns and one with a Multi-Melta. I still run metal Land Speeders and shit, if my opponent wants to b***h they can leave.
Sooooo...........
They're gonna make Chaos Primaris eventually right?
Pretty sure they just upped the size of all the chaos shit in 8th and didn’t bother to justify it. There’s also nothing stopping you from running your primaris marines as chaos right now.
Primaris marines were corrupted by Khorne in Arks of Omen, so yeah only a matter of time.
>This angry motherfricker is no longer the face of 40k
The day Tacticals are retired is the day Warhammer truly, finally dies.
I think that if I had 40,000 of these heads I'd be more accepting of starting a Space Marine army
Come home, Firstborn man.
How do you manage to get into the lore when you realise that the status quo will never change
read comic books and realize how horrible it can be and then you can be used to just about anything
The lore was a kitchen sink setting so expansive that players had the freedom to fluff their dudes and their achievements however they wanted and yet still remain insignificant enough to fit believably into a greater whole.
Then tastelets started regarding 40k lore as legitimate sci-fi and demanding a narrative, and GW saw a way to milk NEETbux from secondaries.
>scouts
So every chapter will have scouts again? Are the scouts still young apprentices?
I am 100% ready for marinelets to be gone once and for all.
Because you don't play them. How do I know? I don't play marines, so I couldn't care less what happens to them