Good CPU is very worth if you want to keep high fps. You can always lower your graphic options but there is no "cpu options". And you cannot really future proof CPUs..... new gen will always have faster clocks. Like just fricking buy the newest i3 and you will do better than last gen i7 in games.
the only thing you could future proof was perhaps power supply but that's over with after new gpu connector shit that will take who knows how many revisions.
that your old processor from years ago is still recommended for playing modern games
pic rel, it's a pc with a r5 3600 launching in 2019 priced at $150
of course, there is an infinite amount of future you can not proof for against a tiny amount of 1-2 years.
buying optimal price-to-performance ratio hardware is the only objectively correct course of action. everything else is either squalor-core or luxury, which are of course fine to do, but you will always know that you are doing something wrong.
or you wont know, in which case you are a fool.
>can fit top cpu in 5 year old Mobo and have it work without bottleneck >would have had to buy 2 mobos between 2018 and now to stay up to date with bottom cpu
That's a saving of around 500 dollars to throw towards other components. So no. It's not a meme.
>can fit top cpu in 5 year old Mobo and have it work without bottleneck
[...]
bottleneck
B550M is 3 years old. The older mobos got bottlenecked by PCIE gen 3. LGA 1700 is 2 years old, barely newer than AM4 PCIE 4.0. >That's a saving of around 500 dollars
H610M board is $70 new, $40 used.
>but i can buy cheap pared down shit for the same price that I'll have to upgrade in half the time cause it only boasts half the power meaning I'll fall out of minimum spec sooner and won't have half the room to customise
Are you done being disingenuous by comparing your obsolete when you're done installing windows machines vs stuff still playing top end games at reasonable res and frames years later?
Did you think we wouldn't check price and compatibility between the mobos?
>sample size: 1
That i3 is a quad core, it'll have less than half the framerate in many games, and in others it'll be a complete stutterfest. If you want to get into this moronic argument at least bring up a i5.
Might as well benchmark Doom at 320x200 no sound and say the 7000fps 13900k proves the 4000fps 13100F is unplayable.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes but this method is easier for benchmarkers.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Again low IQ post.
Even if you go any lower in that game you won't get any more frames because you are CPU limited. Testing at 1080p is done to show you the difference between CPUs not to show what you deem realistic use case.
People like you would cap framerate to 30FPS and say there is no difference between GPUs.
Benchmarking what exactly? The entire point of a benchmark is to extrapolate it for real world performance and 1080p is extremely unrealistic example for a 4090.
Even a 1440p monitor is less than 1/5th the price of a 4090. >Even if you go any lower in that game you won't get any more frames because you are CPU limited. Testing at 1080p is done to show you the difference between CPUs not to show what you deem realistic use case
It's a GAMING benchmark. If you aren't going to replicate actual gaming conditions you might as well just use one of the million different dedicated CPU tools.
9 months ago
Anonymous
How can you fricking test CPU if you get limited by other components?
If you know what is maximum framerate your CPU can achieve at 1080p it will be the same maximum framerate it will allow at higher resolutions, so if you upgrade your GPU in the future you can expect better performance and not being CPU bottlenecked.
No one with brain is playing at ultra as well but it's the most demanding so GPUs are tested at those settings. >If you aren't going to replicate actual gaming conditions
Another moronic argument, how can they benchmark every possible way you can play the game?
Everyone has different system, uses different settings etc.
You want to eliminate variables if you test one specific component.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>How can you fricking test CPU if you get limited by other components?
By playing the game like a normal person like every other benchmark does?
If you were going to make a NVME vs sata SSD gaming comparison and had average load times of 4 and 5 seconds respectively the conclusion isn't that gaming is a flawed test for SSDs. It's that the bottleneck exists elsewhere which is what is actually important to people watching.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You still don't get it, if you are testing CPUs you don't want for any other component to limit your performance.
As for your storage testing. In many games you still need good CPU for that to even matter because it has to process all the data, so if you have shit CPU you can get the same result between SATA3 SSD and NVME SSD. Not only that but many games just don't care because they have to run on HDD.
Every proper channel or website explains it but you still don't get it.
You are immune to reason.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This whole bullshit about limiting performance is dumb, CPU performance scales down with resolution, GPU performance scales up and nobody is buying a $450 CPU for 1080p, while most people are buying $500+ GPUs for 1440p and 4K. It's a false equivalence, there is a use case for one scenario, but not the other, it's why performance figures in GPU benchmarks are just a lot more useful. If I want total CPU performance and possible headroom for devs, I would be looking at multicore production workloads, not 1080p games.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Have you ever played badly optimized game? Like in Vermintide 2 your fps will just dorp below 100 during hordes on almost any pc. But if you have a very powerful cpu then you can brute force through it. So no it's not useless thing to have..
9 months ago
Anonymous
Low IQ post again.
This isn't a benchmark of 4090. Its a benchmark of CPU. How much of a bottle neck CPUs are when all things are controlled.
They could have tested it with GTX 1060 and it would show no difference between CPUs but whats the use in that benchmark? Who gets value from benchmarking dozens of CPU a GPU bottleneck?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Again low IQ post.
Even if you go any lower in that game you won't get any more frames because you are CPU limited. Testing at 1080p is done to show you the difference between CPUs not to show what you deem realistic use case.
People like you would cap framerate to 30FPS and say there is no difference between GPUs.
Reality is your CPU has shit frame times because it has 2 CCDs and you're not putting together a 12100f with a 4090. For anything below a 6750XT which is what you're realistically going for, an i3 is ok, not as good as an R5 or an i5, but it's fine.
Ah yeah man, total bottleneck, performs as good as a 3600 that's 2.5 years newer on a much more powerful card.
Even if I bought top of the line CPU it would be wasted because it bottle necked my GPU at that time.
I'm not a moron who paired my 4core shit with 1080 Ti at that time.
I was rocking 970 with dual core i3 because moron in this board said no game will be using more than one cores for another two decades.
Ever since then I moved on to AMD because I know my Mobo will lasted for almost a decade unlike my shitty Sandybridge Mobo.
When AMD eventually caught up in gaming,you had to pay $450 for that shit and Intel transitioned to CPUs with much better multi core performance, the sole reason why Ryzen became a success. What a sad state of affairs
Fix your quote man, I don't know what the frick are you talking about
Are you hinting about why I didn't buy i9 10900k?
1. It doesn't exist at the time
2. Because it will be overkill for my shitty 970
3. Intel pricing is still fricking moronic at that time until AMD BTFO them, now it make i3 the most value intel CPU ever because Ryzen never lower their price but intel did.
You heard that a few years ago and think you are smart for parroting it, don't you? Any modern game will use 4 cores at minimum, and most will scale beyond that. IPC matters when you are comparing apples to apples, that i3 is much better than a old 4 core i7, but against a modern i5 with 6 cores and 12 threads or 6P and 8E it's much worse, specially if you have literally anything open in the background, since the game will be fighting for resources.
cope. i3 12100f wins against ryzen 3600 in almost every game
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah modern i3 barely gets better averages than 4 year old ryzen but with awful 0.1% lows and a 25% performance penalty if you open your browser, that's the smart choice
now where's the i5 again?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>open your browser
that's not something a non moron would do while playing a game
9 months ago
Anonymous
lay off the copium
9 months ago
Anonymous
nice non argument. guess you're one of the zoomer morons who play games with 10 different apps running in the background and complaining about low fps lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you get a non potato CPU that won't be irrelevant in 3 years you don't have to cope, an i5 is not even that much expensive bro
9 months ago
Anonymous
>irrelevant
low how is lowering your performance irrelevant? there is going to be an fps hit regardless of your cpu if you have a bunch of useless shit running for no reason
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not really, games won't eat all the 12-24 threads a modern CPU has. But it'll use all the 4 cores of low end i3/R3 because that the bare minimum it needs to run, so anything else using them = heavy performance hit and awful stutters
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nta but what exactly is the point of using a computer if you can only use one program at a time, why not just be a console pleb then?
tech illiterate morons
9 months ago
Anonymous
Now imagine that on a 4C8T, you open Ganker in the background and it's literally unplayable lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
>zoomer needs to do multiple things at once cuz he has 0 attention span
kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
i bet you have 1 monitor you fricking poorgay
I've been looking for a GPU as well and I've noticed that all the GPUs in sock tend to be double fan.
Does having three fans over two really make much of a difference in terms of cooling?
Or is it more that having three fans means they can go at a lower RPM to produce the same airflow and are quieter as a result?
3 fans are usually better for cooling but not much, sometimes a 3 fan model can cost like 100$ more than a 2fan and then its not worth it
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not a zoomer, that's why I have disposable money to spend on my hobbies. You should try getting a job if you can't afford $50 for a much better experience, or maybe just get a console lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
There's only been a handful of CPUs with any sort of staying power and the 3770K was the best of those so it is a bit of a lottery in that regard. Some CPUs look good on paper but their performance is still ass.
9 months ago
Anonymous
And none of them have been low end. Q6600 lasted for ages, 2500K did as well, so did the 4790K and the 8700K. Now Pentium and i3s? All memes that lasted a year or two at best and people were literally forced to upgrade if they wanted to game at 30fps+
9 months ago
Anonymous
My 8700K is still going strong, but you do need to get lucky with the higher end CPUs. I didn't say low end anything had staying power. You can get a top of the line CPU and it can still be butthole before a year is out.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You can get a top of the line CPU and it can still be butthole before a year is out.
Almost never happened, but i7 7700K gays deserved it, the writing was on the wall.
The point is, beating on low end and expecting it to pay off is stupid and will never happen, quadcores have been on their way out for a while now, why the frick would you get a quadcore? The same happened when poorgays decided that 2C4T was going to last.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nta but what exactly is the point of using a computer if you can only use one program at a time, why not just be a console pleb then?
9 months ago
Anonymous
and what is the point of running an app which you are not currently using? too lazy to close it?
9 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
tech illiterate morons
It's a computer, it should be capable of doing multiple things at once.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>doing multiple things at once
well not shit but you're not gonna be playing a game and render a video at the same time, that's just stupid
9 months ago
Anonymous
An i3 will not be able to play games at a good frame rate and settings and then having anything going on in the background, how disingenuous are you to say that means rendering.
9 months ago
Anonymous
i don't need anything running in the background. just stfu about that shit already ffs
9 months ago
Anonymous
Then get a console, you don't need a computer.
Even smartphones can manage that now and you're telling other people to buy an i3.
Lol, lmao even
9 months ago
Anonymous
I should get a console because I know how to properly allocate resources on my PC? ok moron
9 months ago
Anonymous
>properly allocate resources on a PC >uses an i3 to hamstring performance then tells others it's fine
Lol, lmao even
9 months ago
Anonymous
he's just poor anon, leave him alone
9 months ago
Anonymous
get a console, poorgay
Series S was made for "people" like you
Yes, it is a meme, always build in the moment what gives you the best price/performance. AyyMD giving long support worked because they needed to be competitive against Intel since otherwise they would go bankrupt.
Still they didn't give 100% futureproof on what they promised since Threadripper 3000 demanded right away a new motherboard from scratch.
Now that Intel has been failing against them, im pretty sure AM5 will have only support to Ryzen 8000, then they will insist you to buy a motherboard again.
I see the cache as a meme, unless more people know how to take advantage of it in other areas than just PC games that are not "eSports", such as emulators, a second-hand 5800x is preferable and more if you are going to use it with graphics mid-range, to really take advantage of that cache would only be with 240Hz monitors and graphics like rx 7900 or RTX 4080 and playing things like CSGO.
7600X is already outperforming 5800X3D at $100 less right now. When DDR5 and AM5 prices drop, X3D gays will have their buyers remorse.
>but i can buy cheap pared down shit for the same price that I'll have to upgrade in half the time cause it only boasts half the power meaning I'll fall out of minimum spec sooner and won't have half the room to customise
Are you done being disingenuous by comparing your obsolete when you're done installing windows machines vs stuff still playing top end games at reasonable res and frames years later?
Did you think we wouldn't check price and compatibility between the mobos?
>buy cheap pared down shit
Literally no difference. >that I'll have to upgrade in half the time cause it only boasts half the power
It's going to be good enough for the latest AAA games for the next couple of years at the very least, and when the time comes, just get another newest bare minimum PC again. Xbox SeX/PS5 generation still has a few more years to go. Get your FOMO checked.
>you can't fit anything on
PCIE 4.0 GPU slot? It's there. 4 ram slots? A meme. NVME SSD Gen 4.0? A meme. Overclocking RAM? Use XMP. Cooling? Who needs an industrial fan to cool down an i3?
It's got all you need, unless you want to overclock the CPU, but who cares when you get a CPU+mobo combo for the price of a ryzen 5600 / i5 12400f that performs very marginally worse on 99% of the games you play.
Upgradeability is the big issue I think. DDR5 and future CPUs will only get faster and see better utilization, so it might be worth the extra $200 to go for an AM5/D5 1700 build, not only for that extra performance, but because you won't have to buy new RAM/mobo when upgrading the antiquated 4 core part.
>DDR5 and future CPUs will only get faster and see better utilization, so it might be worth the extra $200 to go for an AM5/D5 1700 build
They'll get cheaper over time. I don't see the point of buying them now. >but because you won't have to buy new RAM/mobo when upgrading the antiquated 4 core part
Old parts can be sold on ebay.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>They'll get cheaper over time. I don't see the point of buying them now.
motherboards are an ATH and they're not going down. RAM is quite cheap, 32 GB of DDR5 are only $20 more expensive than DDR5, the only real cost is the CPU and a 7600 is astronomically better than an i3 >old parts can be sold on ebay
For a loss compared to newer, much more futureproof parts. Who the frick will even buy an H310 motherboard used? Do you see people buying H310 motherboards and 14nm i3s, because I sure as well fricking don't.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>motherboards are an ATH and they're not going down
They will make budget AM5s in the future. >32 GB of DDR5 are only $20 more expensive than DDR5
You mean DDR4? Frick no. You could get 32GB DDR4 for $50 or even less if you know where to look. Slow DDR4s can be overclocked with XMP. Meanwhile DDR5 is $120 at least. I already have DDR4 sticks from my previous PC, why do I need to waste 120 bucks? >For a loss compared to newer, much more futureproof parts.
Everything sells for a loss, and ultra cheap parts sell at a lower loss. If you're using a $70 mobo, you'll be selling it for $30 at the very least in a couple of years. That's only a $40 loss. Meanwhile a used B650 will have lower depreciation rate in percentage, yet you're losing many more dollars because it's $200. >Do you see people buying H310 motherboards and 14nm i3s, because I sure as well fricking don't.
I do, they make good office and potato gaming PCs.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>They will make budget AM5s in the future.
$120 B650s are as budget as it gets >Meanwhile DDR5 is $120 at least.
holy fricking moron, you can get Hynix A-die for less than $75, even slower DDR5 RAM performs identically to higher spec in games >why do I need to waste 120 bucks
you're fricking irrelevant to the conversation dumbass, this is about first time buyers. >ultra cheap parts sell at a lower loss
Give me the used price of a 3300X and a B450, now give me the used price of an i3 8100 and an H310 board. You're under the assumption that people will even want to buy your shit which they won't, nobody 's lining up for an i3 and a cheapo board when a Ryzen and B550 are $40 more. >it's $200.
moron do you even look at the prices? It's 120 for a decent B650? You're 10 months behind, go fricking update yourself >I do
cool, now look at the prices
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=i3+8100&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1
and look at the prices of an R5
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=r5+3600&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_odkw=i3+8100&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1
see a discrepancy?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>$120 B650s are as budget as it gets
That sucks. BB550M is $75 and accepts DDR4. >you're fricking irrelevant to the conversation dumbass,
When you could buy 16GB DDR4 for 5 bucks used, it's quite relevant. >Give me the used price of a 3300X and a B450, now give me the used price of an i3 8100 and an H310 board.
2020 CPU vs 2017 CPU? i3 8100 held up pretty well considering it's a 2017 ultra low end CPU thats still selling for $50 at ebay. >see a discrepancy?
Bro, ryzen 3600 is 2 years newer than i3 8100. Compare that with i3 9100 from 2019, which are still selling for 35 bucks today at the cheapest. That's a $99 CPU at launch vs $200 R5 3600. R5 3600 are only $90 BRAND NEW today.
>X3D gays will have their buyers remorse.
If you have buyers remorse for $300 you shouldn't be building gaming PC and instead you should look for a better job poorgay.
>emachines
Ah, I'll never forget picking up my first computer after getting my first part time job as a teenager
It had integrated graphics but it was able to run maplestory and runescape
>There is absolutely NO reason to change it.
You only have one life. It's okay to treat yourself every now and then, especially if you wait a long time between doing so.
I keep flip flopping between that or the 7800X3D but honestly it's $200 more where I live and any benchmarks I look at (for 1440p) they're either right next to each other or the 7800X3D gets like a 10% boost at most, just doesn't seem worth the extra cash especially since I could push for a better GPU with those savings.
X3D is a waste of money for anything but Factorio and you get stuck on inferior AMD hardware
DDR5 ram is overpriced shit right now so being forced into a DDR5 mobo needs to be factored into the price/performance of a 13600k. It's comparable to a 12700k and can be paired which substantially quicker ram. It's not worth a marginal bump in performance if you have to gut the rest of your system to get there.
DDR5 ram is overpriced shit right now so being forced into a DDR5 mobo needs to be factored into the price/performance of a 13600k. It's comparable to a 12700k and can be paired which substantially quicker ram. It's not worth a marginal bump in performance if you have to gut the rest of your system to get there.
That's what price/performance means when you try to future proof you moron. You buy the most efficient thing that catches anything you'd want to do with it, knowing something eventually more expensive and better comes along but still can't replace it.
a 1050ti can run elden ring
"future proofing" as in running everything at max settings max fps is a meme
buying a decent fricking setup and just coasting on that for a good while is not a meme
Nowadays yes. I still have a 1080 and it serves me extremely well for just about anything except Ultra on modern games. Someone with a 3080 is basically set for the next 3-4 years.
25-30 years ago, the difference between a single year could mean the difference between whether you could play 3D games, pseudo-3D games, or if you were stuck with 2D games and MUDs if you cheaped out.
The only thing I can think of that even remotely resembles that level of next-year obsolescence is either high end VR or Stable Diffusion AI.
A gpu? Yes
A cpu? No
A overkill cpu will last a few gpu gens and saves money buying new mobo's and the pain in the ass to rebuild your entire build.
Get the best cpu, 1 step down and your set for 4 to 6 years
>buying B350 Ryzen mobo with r3 1200 in 2017 >Upgrade to Ryzen 2600 for more cores. >5800x3d next for 4 times the performance and another 6 years of future proofing of and not be a corelet.
One Motherboard To Rule Them All.
And how much money and effort did you waste in the process? You could just have bought a Skylake to have miles better performance from the start and barely have to upgrade now. And it's easier to sell a fully equipped platform than to sell a bottom of the barrel CPU alone.
Even if I bought top of the line CPU it would be wasted because it bottle necked my GPU at that time.
I'm not a moron who paired my 4core shit with 1080 Ti at that time.
I was rocking 970 with dual core i3 because moron in this board said no game will be using more than one cores for another two decades.
Ever since then I moved on to AMD because I know my Mobo will lasted for almost a decade unlike my shitty Sandybridge Mobo.
>And how much money and effort did you waste in the process?
Also
Sell my R3 1200 and used it to buy 2600 for half the price using 1200 money.
No other upgrade ever since.
Meanwhile intel moron need to sell everything just to upgrade to nextgen.
This. I got a 3700x when that came out and I can't see myself needed to upgrade the CPU at any point in the near future. And if/when I eventually do need to upgrade I can just get whatever the best AM4 socket CPU is, which will presumably be very cheap by the point I need it.
I think future proofing isn't a meme when it comes to CPUs. CPUs are rarely ever the bottleneck unless you're some sweaty esports gay playing CSGO at 640x480 at 500fps or whatever. So as long as you get even a somewhat decent processor, you should be totally fine for a very long time.
t. didn't upgrade from my 2500k until 2019
and even then I honestly could've kept using it but I needed to upgrade other stuff so it just made sense to get everything
If you want to rebuild your PC and wipe Windows every 2 years and buy and sell your parts second hand, then low/mid-range PC is the most cost effective option.
If you want a PC that lasts that you don't need to worry about, you get high-end stuff.
The only part you don't need to future-proof is GPU, since you can swap it in 5 minutes.
>top games (includes mexicans and third worlders that just in the past couple years were able to move on from skulltag and cs 1.6 to f2p "esports" titles and cheap indie shovelware)
What a useless point you tried to make.
Since we're here, should I upgrade my 3800X to a 5800X3D or take the leap to AM5? That would mean new ram, a new mobo and a new cpu vs just a new(er) cpu.
Not particularly in a hurry, I only really grabbed the 3800X at release because the 3700X and 3900X were out of stock.
What game gave you problems so you want to upgrade?
What monitor and GPU do you even have?
The only game that gave me some issues recently was Remnant 2, but I assume that's moreso that the game was coded by monkeys. 1440p 144hz monitor and a MSI 6950XT that's undervolted some cause it's very hungry.
When I saw that part about the game being optimized for upscaling I immediately thought this game is going to run and look like dogshit, besides the ugly fuzziness of FSR, it runs like dogshit
>Winblows starts doing some shit in the background while you are in the middle of the game >0.1% low FPS drops
It's worthless metric, you would need to do hours of testing for it to become relevant. If you run a game for an hour at 144FPS .1% is 518.4 frames out of 518400 in total.
So better metric is how many frames go past certain frametime. Which only a few media outlets.
>future proofing >a year and a half after the release of the cpu
The real test is in another four or five years. We'll see how a 5800x3d running on a motherboard that will be 10 years old at that point is competing against contemporary budget options. My prediction? If you bought a b350 or x370 board in 2017 and were patient enough to not upgrade until zen 3 compatibility was unlocked for it, you hit the fricking jackpot.
As far as I know manufacturers are starting to not include coolers with their cpus, though that might only be AMD. PSU, my current is 600 watts, I'm assuming if I upgrade all of the above I'll need something better. Case, I guess I'll concede there, it's just old now and the front ports don't even work anymore.
>Even more reason to stall then > not include coolers with their cpus, though that might only be AMD
Black person, what kind of cave are you living right now?
I think they're not including CPUs coolers because the requirements of cooling for some AMD chips isn't going to be covered by whatever stock cooler AMD would pack with the thing.
You would also think that anyone building a PC with a mid range to high end CPU is going to get their own cooler anyway.
If you don't buy X series AMD or K series Intel you will get cooler included.
Also AM4 is backwards compatible with older sockets in terms of coolers. Decent 600W will be plenty unless you buy high end CPU and GPU.
my 10900k, 32GB DDR4, RTX 3090 runs everything.
whats actually changed is garbage ray tracing performance, directx storage and RTX IO has only ever been used in 1 game, fricking ratchet and you don't notice jack shit.
A few weeks at best. That CPU will start hitting 95C under suspicious circumstances and eventually fry itself and any cooler attached to it. You have a cache of thermite for a processor.
t. knower
You need cpu with 3d cache only if you are going to play cpu depended games. Like rimworld, factorio etc. It won't be the best choice for console ports.
in 4-5 years there will be new standards. new directX, new ram types, new storage types. why do i think it's going to be 4-5 years? because the "current gen" of hardware standards 3 years old and that stuff never stays the same for much more than 5 or 6 years.
>Had a 2600x since a little after it's release >Upgraded GPUs to a 6600xt about a year ago >A month later got a 5700x during a flash sale >Tfw didn't need to upgrade but now a whole lot more future proof than before
It’s less of a meme now than ever. Technological change has slowed to a crawl and games are being held back and don’t need the extra juice anyway. You had like 3-5 years of relevancy max for your gear back in the day now you are talking 5-10 years.
Cost average that and you can afford to splurge.
A well-made PSU can absolutely last for a decade, and should last well beyond that. Frankly, the fan should die long before anything on the actual circuit board does. Coil whine does sometimes develop/worsen after many years, but that's an inconvenience rather than a danger.
Are you experiencing random shutdowns during heavy load situations? Or even idle? Has a transient power spike fried one or more components in your PC? Is your PSU's fan still operating normally? If things seem to be proceeding as they were, say, five years ago, I wouldn't worry too much about it. You could always buy a new unit if you want the peace of mind, but even brand new units can have their own problems; if your current one is still working fine and you don't need a larger supply for beefier parts, then I'd say just keep on trucking.
zero issues as far as im aware, well maybe one. >random shutdowns during heavy load situations? Or even idle?
occasionally the pc will refuse to wakeup after going to sleep, but it does start up again after a few reboots. Ive stopped it from going to sleep and havnt had any issues for months now. I guess this could be related
Also a dying psu can damage other components? how likely is that?
i7-3770K for 10 years and still going. If you're just going to buy the latest shit every release and apply it on the highest possible settings without thought then no shit it's a meme.
PS5's CPU is way worse than a 3600, it has 1.5 cores dedicated to OS, it's a Zen 2 CPU with starved cache, has locked cores below base of most Zen 2 based lineup and runs off high latency GDDR. People keep saying 3700x is an equivalent due to the core count but it's probably closer to a 2600, maybe slightly worse.
Every time I pick a B??? mobo pcpartpicker always warns me the BIOS might be outdated and not work out of the box. How do I make sure this won't happen? No, asking the store to flash for me isn't an option because I want to make sure the mobo is brand new
get a motherboard that lets you flash the bios without a cpu
get a used cpu (ryzen 1000 or 2000) that will let you access the bios
roll the dice on the mobo and hope it has up to date bios
pcpartpicker always says that no matter what amd mobo you pick. check the manufacturer date on the box, if the mobo came out after the cpu release it should have the bios update. 3700x cpus came out in 2019 so the manufacturer date cannot be before that.
Don't overestimate PCpartpicker.
Just check the revision on the manufacturers site.
They always have compatibility lists.
Assume the oldest bios shown.
Plenty of mobo's can be biosflashed without even a cpu installed these days but it's best to assume you won't have that option.
If it's a the mobo is a A5xx or B5xx and the CPU a Ryzen 3xxx-5xxx, you don't have to worry. It's mostly a thing for old chipsets and new chips or new chipsets and old chips.
>4 cores
CPUs are so far ahead of GPUs right now you may even get away with it for a few years, but don't think it'll perform as good the entire generation, there's already games that use 6+ cores and makes modern 4C8T get half the framerate of a 6C12T. That half still being 60fps+ but I wouldn't call that future proof.
But it's not like it'll hurt anyway, when shit start hitting the fan you can just buy the best CPU for the socket for very cheap second hand.
Don't overspend on a motherboard for a dead end platform.
You realisticly won't upgrade the cpu because improved IPC is what you will want by then.
Get a slightly beefier PSU for additional headroom in case you want to upgrade the graphics card to a midrange card 2 gens from now that might require more power.
>RTX 4060
~$300 >Ryzen 7600x
~$250 >B650 ATX motherboard
~$200 >2x8GB RAM, DDR5 6000MHz (lower speeds = lower price, possible to cut down on costs a bit)
~$90 >1TB SSD, M.2 6000+/5000+ MB/s (lower speeds = lower price, possible to cut down on costs a bit)
~$80 >600/650GW PSU (skimp out at your own risk)
~$100~$150
= $1,020~$1,080
(monitors and peripherals not included)
(prices may be higher or lower in your area)
P.S. in case somebody gets anal about budget exceeding by twenty bucks, you can switch the CPU for a 5800x and a fitting motherboard to get into the budget range but the 7600x is such good bang for your buck and so much better that I think it's worth it anyways. Although 5600x will do the job as well
forgot to add tower case (~$100) and optional CPU cooler ($50~100)... If you get the 5600x and cut down on some of the memory speeds you should be able to get it inside or close to the budget
>RTX 4060
~$300 >Ryzen 7600x
~$250 >B650 ATX motherboard
~$200 >2x8GB RAM, DDR5 6000MHz (lower speeds = lower price, possible to cut down on costs a bit)
~$90 >1TB SSD, M.2 6000+/5000+ MB/s (lower speeds = lower price, possible to cut down on costs a bit)
~$80 >600/650GW PSU (skimp out at your own risk)
~$100~$150
= $1,020~$1,080
(monitors and peripherals not included)
(prices may be higher or lower in your area)
P.S. in case somebody gets anal about budget exceeding by twenty bucks, you can switch the CPU for a 5800x and a fitting motherboard to get into the budget range but the 7600x is such good bang for your buck and so much better that I think it's worth it anyways. Although 5600x will do the job as well
>psu ~$100~$150 >b650~$200
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-PRO-B650M-P-Motherboard-Processors/dp/B0C7SJFDXK/
https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-B650M-HDV-M-2-Supports-Processors/dp/B0BY6YRT41/
what the frick are you recommending? Are you telling him to go spend almost $150 extra on a motherboard and power supply?
>(prices may be higher or lower in your area)
being a yurogay, my prices differ quite a lot from US prices. Motherboards, CPUs and GPUs are significantly more expensive here it seems. SSDs are a bit cheaper though.
also I have bad experiences from buying cheap PSUs. Had some cheap Chinese shit that was eventually pulled from the shelves after I had bought and owned it for a few years due to safety concerns. Of course I was none the wiser. It ended up short circuiting and there was a literal live arc that caused a few quick flashes to emit from under my desk coupled by a little bit of smoke. Took me about ten seconds to pull the plug and rush my tower outside in case it had caught fire. Thankfully it only took my keyboard with it, nothing else broke. Also I was terrified of touching the damn thing for over a month in case it still had a deadly electrical charge.
TL;DR skimp out on the PSU at your own risk
There is a €50 power supply that will not give you those failures, I have an EVGA w2 that has a low tier in the recommended power supplies and has been alive for 3 years, the Thermaltake that I bought for another PC at €40 it has not failed me. If you go for shit like Mars gaming, it's logical that you go wrong, in summer sales there were Cooler Master power supplies at a good price.
That's the Pentium G4560 equivalent nowadays, it's cheap and performs well but it'll be a dead weight by the end of the generation. Get a i5 or a R5 at least, 4 cores are on their way out.
>against a modern i5 with 6 cores and 12 threads or 6P and 8E it's much worse
Cap. >specially if you have literally anything open in the background
Then you shouldn't.
Now do a i5 from the same gen. Pentium gays used to cope the same way bro, and way before that it was Core2Duo gays. On the AMD side it was 6300 gays and Phenom X2/X3 gays. You'll buy a new CPU down the road or be left behind screaming BAD OPTIMIZATION SAVE ME Black personMAN
PC gaming is a racket
Devs deliberately make bloated messes of unoptimised code that require supercomputers just to boot up, so that GPU and CPU manufacturers can then jack their prices up knowing full well that gamers will have to pay it to play new games. And once players have bought these overpriced components, they feel obligated to buy the bloated shitty games to 'justify' the money they spent on their PC. And around and around it goes
Break the cycle and retvrn to the traditional home of gaming: consoles.
That's the beauty of PC gaming, you can always use console settings if you don't want to upgrade lol
You just need the bestest and greatest if you want to crank everything up to Ultra, but that's stupid to begin with, High settings is good enough 99% of the time.
>I can't run games on high settings for 8 years on literal garbage hardware like I could in 7th gen so pc gaming is a vast conspiracy to charge money
Get a job.
I just wanna play arma and other milsperg titles without going the enthusiast $3000 route
any recommendations for something budget enough but can still work with 1440p? I know the x3d chips shine in these types of games
I was already leaning towards 32GB of RAM and found stuff like 3200hz cl16 for fifty bucks or so, crazy how cheap ddr4 is
what do you think about 5600x3d now? I can't find many benchmarks, especially for games I want to play, but it seems like it's generally 5% less game performance than the 5800x3d for nearly $100 less. the bundle at micro center is $300 for a decent mobo and 16gb of ram included
dunno if the two extra cores are worth the money
kinda wanna wait til the end of this year for gpu stuff
Future-proofing used to be more accessible in the past, mainly in GPUs, but most i7 processors were within an okay range for most people. So yeah, it wasn't a meme back then. Nowadays, however, PC gaming sucks if you don't future-proof enough. You will feel the age of your machine within four years at best. Imagine all these people who bought Ryzen 5/7 2000 with an RTX 2070 for example, today, they can barely handle current games at 1440P high 60 frames.
highly doubt that. go down the list of demanding releases from the last 2 years, how many of them get a solid 60 on high settings at 1440p without dlss? not saying it's impossible but i'm saying the list is short.
Just let the zoomer morons suffer lmao
People think just because you can run some early gen title well it guarantees that the entire gen will be a cakewalk, the last 20 years have proved that wrong over and over
Just let the zoomer morons suffer lmao
People think just because you can run some early gen title well it guarantees that the entire gen will be a cakewalk, the last 20 years have proved that wrong over and over
Remember when morons though a Pentium/i3 + 750Ti was a viable build? That was funny. At least the Digital Foundry gays tried to warn them.
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Remember when morons though a Pentium/i3 + 750Ti was a viable build? That was funny. At least the Digital Foundry gays tried to warn them.
See, those morons were kind of right when it came to 7th gen, which so many people seem to be under the delusion is representative of all PC gaming history. You should have seen the shitstorm that came out back in the day because people with fancy, expensive as balls 486es that worked fine with Doom would have had to upgrade to a newer system or at least buy a hardware graphics accelerator (GPUs were a new idea at the time) in order to play Quake and not have it run like complete shit. People had to upgrade for lots of money to play Doom even when their systems had handled Wolfenstein 3D just fine previously.
You can still get future proofing now, but it involves buying high end shit that will last you years before you have to upgrade or start turning down settings. The advent of raytracing/rtx and fsr/dlss put a small hamper on that since they necessitated updating on their own.
I've been looking for a GPU as well and I've noticed that all the GPUs in sock tend to be double fan.
Does having three fans over two really make much of a difference in terms of cooling?
Or is it more that having three fans means they can go at a lower RPM to produce the same airflow and are quieter as a result?
>buying something you literally dont need when the viable alternative is a quarter of its price just because its *probably* going to stay relevant in the next few years, assuming none of the parts fail
I hope your X3D doesn't explode I guess.
>something you literally dont need
Cope, more CPU power is always good for a snappy system and upgrading GPUs for a long time
you find the limit way sooner than you'd expect. The ryzen 3600 is already inadequate for some games even if you have a mere 3060ti, and the 3600 isn't even that old.
>glitches everywhere >not even a 4090 can play at 4k 60fps
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>not even a 4090 can play at 4k 60fps
>glitches everywhere >He doesn't know what game patches are >implying that RPCS3 does not experience the same
factorio
Also this reminds me about the meme about npcs who aren't capable of critical thinking.
Fricking moron. It's a benchmark. Holy fricking frick man.
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IT'S A BENCHMARK moron
>IT'S A BENCHMARK moron
There are titles more demanding than RDR I think, TLOU there is a part that kills the CPU and really that 3D cache does not help at all in that emulator. anyway if you are going to play RDR 1 Xenia performs better.
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It literally drops below 60fps, midrange GPUs are just destroyed at 1440p+. I'd rather stick to 30fps.
And patches that will remove graphical effects entirely so shit like the sun won't appear in interiors? lmao
Pretty sure there's still no fix for shadows fricking up either
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>Pretty sure there's still no fix for shadows fricking up either
I don't know what glich is that and I finished it in the emulator relatively recently >It literally drops below 60fps, midrange GPUs are just destroyed at 1440p+. I'd rather stick to 30fps.
Now a normal graphic like a 3060 can play them at 2k at 50-60 fps and in the video you can see it in armadillo that that city that lowers the frames, and it remains undeniable that RDR1 plays better in Xenia than in RPCS3 >And patches that will remove graphical effects entirely so shit like the sun won't appear in interiors? lmao >name = "Disable Sun Flare" >desc = "This prevents the sun flare effect, which clips through buildings and props, from rendering. May also partially remedy flashing and image exposure issues that arise when upscaling."
you're a fricking moron who hasn't used the emulator for a long time
>top of the line housefire only delivering 50 fps
KEK, why bother >The ryzen 3600 is already inadequate for some games
Still getting 60 fps at 1080p low on remnant 2.
factorio
Also this reminds me about the meme about NPCs who aren't capable of critical thinking.
Fricking moron. It's a benchmark. Holy fricking frick man.
If you buy now a 1000 dollars pc it will last you for the next 10 years at last. Considering i am still playing games coming out now with my i5 gtx960. Technology isn't improving, just stupid shit like more lightning or shitty porting which hogs you resources. A ps4 game can run without trouble in a 10 years old pc.
That is lower than laptop tier. 4750G is a laptop CPU. 4750U is literally the same APU albeit with fewer GPU cores, the CPU performs the same. >back then a literal pentium could match a PS4, a 2 core matching a 8 core
Right now a 3 year old 4 core CPU demolishes Xbox CPU.
Depends on the part and your projected time. I bought my PSU to be good for 10+ years and I am at about 8 now with no end in sight and 2 major machine revisions in. I didn't need the full wattage initially and I am only now starting to creep up on the point when it becomes less efficient.
The thing about PSUs is that if their build quality is good they'll will last forever, but will just get less efficient over time. You don't really have to care unless you upgrade and really need more juice, but with something around 600-750W, that's highly unlikely anyway.
Yep, I got a platinum rated 750W from Seasonic years ago. Will continue to keep on keeping on for many more years to come because their high end is second only to the shit they make for enterprise OEMs. Don't fricking skimp on the PSU and you will save hundreds over the years, by far the most future proof-able part.
If you're buying a new comp, the only "future proof" you need right now is a DDR5 motherboard, because in 2-3 all high end cpus will be on ddr5 memory.
I went from 6 to 12 cores in the same Ryzen range and it's the best thing I ever did as far as this build goes. I can now afford to sit back and wait and only upgrade the GPU. Outside of gaming it's a gamechanger
Tell me 1 (One) singular time when getting a i3 paid off. Go ahead. You gays are saving $50 now but that shit will only last a year or two, unless you got an equally bad GPU with awful price/performance to match, that is.
>Tell me 1 (One) singular time when getting a i3 paid off
Budget part prices hold up better in the used market. >You gays are saving $50
At least $100, because more powerful CPUs require decent mobos while i3 could use the cheapest one possible safely. >unless you got an equally bad GPU with awful price/performance to match
RX 6600 has the best price/performance right now and it's going to be bottlenecked by higher end CPUs than 13th gen i3.
It gets worse, he's considering the resale value of a $80 part. 80 fricking dollars. The average person makes that in what, 2 or 3 hours? Can only be a thirdie.
It gets worse, he's considering the resale value of a $80 part. 80 fricking dollars. The average person makes that in what, 2 or 3 hours? Can only be a thirdie.
>futureproofingBlack folk calling people who buy the latest and most cost efficient PC parts LE POOR TURDIE while planning on using the same PC parts for a decade.
>Budget part prices hold up better in the used market.
lol wut, old i7s are still priced really high for some reason, while i3s are usually less expensive than shipping. >At least $100, because more powerful CPUs require decent mobos while i3 could use the cheapest one possible safely.
Any budget mobo should handle a base i5 without OC, that's pure moronation. They are barely 10W apart. >RX 6600 has the best price/performance right now and it's going to be bottlenecked by higher end CPUs than 13th gen i3.
Yeah, but I'm talking about crap like 6400/6500.
>old i7s are still priced really high for some reason, while i3s are usually less expensive than shipping.
Yeah but that i7 was absurdly expensive at launch while the i3 was cheaper than dirt. In the end, the i7 seller would lose more than $100 at the used market while the i3 seller would lose $40. >They are barely 10W apart
That's the TDP rating. At maximum load, the gap is huge. The i5 goes up to 150W. >I'm talking about crap like 6400/6500
Let alone those.
It depends but a better CPU is always good to have and the best ones aren't even expensive because they're from AMD.
On the GPU side you should focus on not spending too much on obviously gimped planned obsolescence GPUs. If you bought a 4070Ti I feel bad for you.
>PC needs upgrading, probably from scratch >Also be moronic and out of touch regarding PC components >Looking at PC part sites gets me confused and I give up after five minutes
How do you guys keep up with this constantly evolving shit? I have no idea what these numbers and words mean any more. Looks like I'm stuck with my 1080 for a little while longer.
>saves 1-3 hours of work on a new part >waste dozens of hours coping on Ganker and looking up videos to check if the latest game will run decently
Doesn't sound like a good investment tbh
>X3D >25 results
AMD's pajeet shill army working overtime outside of Ganker. Sales must be awful. Shouldn't have released a flawed SoC that tries to run at 95C all the time.
I hope you poorBlack folk buying 4 core i3s in Anno domini 2023 are at least getting a decent motherboard so you can just get a second hand high end CPU for cheap later on
good cpu is worth it if your computer isn't just a game machine
what else makes it worth to get a good cpu?
Rendering
Encoding
Needing numerous virtual machines
Essentially anything where you need to get actual work done.
>niche tasks, no practical use
Just get more ram
>Implying PC gaming isn't a niche task with no practical use
installing gentoo
Compiling
Running VMs.
Running stuff in the background, which kills performance in 4 core CPUs
Opening one tab of chrome
A lot of games also chug CPU time.
Anything with a lot of simulations like Victoria or Dwarf Fortress.
This, in eu4 I went from taking 10 seconds for a month to pass to like 2 on 5 speed
Good CPU is very worth if you want to keep high fps. You can always lower your graphic options but there is no "cpu options". And you cannot really future proof CPUs..... new gen will always have faster clocks. Like just fricking buy the newest i3 and you will do better than last gen i7 in games.
But I need a modern cpu with AVX512 to play ps3 games.
good cpu is worth it for emulation
>Emulation.
>RTS sim games.
Those need big cpu.
>future proofing
>when everyone's playing 5-10 year old games
how do u future proof when theres no future and no proof? u dont. think about it.
the only thing you could future proof was perhaps power supply but that's over with after new gpu connector shit that will take who knows how many revisions.
i dont think ill be replacing my 11600k for a long long time.
there's no future proof, only future resistant
wtf is "future proofing"? just buy best things not the bad things and it's done
meaning that shit doesn't go absolute and outdated after a generation
It's actually more economical to find the best thing and buy the previous gen of it since the price falls off a cliff after its replacement comes out.
I wish, but the 5800X3D still goes for 310€! It used to be 280€ b4 the 7800X3D came out. Retailers even trying to still milk old platforms/cpus now..
that your old processor from years ago is still recommended for playing modern games
pic rel, it's a pc with a r5 3600 launching in 2019 priced at $150
of course, there is an infinite amount of future you can not proof for against a tiny amount of 1-2 years.
buying optimal price-to-performance ratio hardware is the only objectively correct course of action. everything else is either squalor-core or luxury, which are of course fine to do, but you will always know that you are doing something wrong.
or you wont know, in which case you are a fool.
>can fit top cpu in 5 year old Mobo and have it work without bottleneck
>would have had to buy 2 mobos between 2018 and now to stay up to date with bottom cpu
That's a saving of around 500 dollars to throw towards other components. So no. It's not a meme.
>can fit top cpu in 5 year old Mobo and have it work without bottleneck
bottleneck
B550M is 3 years old. The older mobos got bottlenecked by PCIE gen 3. LGA 1700 is 2 years old, barely newer than AM4 PCIE 4.0.
>That's a saving of around 500 dollars
H610M board is $70 new, $40 used.
>but i can buy cheap pared down shit for the same price that I'll have to upgrade in half the time cause it only boasts half the power meaning I'll fall out of minimum spec sooner and won't have half the room to customise
Are you done being disingenuous by comparing your obsolete when you're done installing windows machines vs stuff still playing top end games at reasonable res and frames years later?
Did you think we wouldn't check price and compatibility between the mobos?
I still have my original B350 plus mobo I got for 80 bucks in 2017 fitted with a 5800X3D without any problems
>sample size: 1
That i3 is a quad core, it'll have less than half the framerate in many games, and in others it'll be a complete stutterfest. If you want to get into this moronic argument at least bring up a i5.
You paid 400 for a CPU that's marginally better than an i3 and performs equally to a $200 Ryzen 5. What a fricking moron
I have a 3600, but reality is reality.
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>I NEED TO TO GAME AT 456 fps
Who the frick is gaming at 1080p with a fricking 4090?
Nice low IQ post.
Might as well benchmark Doom at 320x200 no sound and say the 7000fps 13900k proves the 4000fps 13100F is unplayable.
Yes but this method is easier for benchmarkers.
Benchmarking what exactly? The entire point of a benchmark is to extrapolate it for real world performance and 1080p is extremely unrealistic example for a 4090.
Even a 1440p monitor is less than 1/5th the price of a 4090.
>Even if you go any lower in that game you won't get any more frames because you are CPU limited. Testing at 1080p is done to show you the difference between CPUs not to show what you deem realistic use case
It's a GAMING benchmark. If you aren't going to replicate actual gaming conditions you might as well just use one of the million different dedicated CPU tools.
How can you fricking test CPU if you get limited by other components?
If you know what is maximum framerate your CPU can achieve at 1080p it will be the same maximum framerate it will allow at higher resolutions, so if you upgrade your GPU in the future you can expect better performance and not being CPU bottlenecked.
No one with brain is playing at ultra as well but it's the most demanding so GPUs are tested at those settings.
>If you aren't going to replicate actual gaming conditions
Another moronic argument, how can they benchmark every possible way you can play the game?
Everyone has different system, uses different settings etc.
You want to eliminate variables if you test one specific component.
>How can you fricking test CPU if you get limited by other components?
By playing the game like a normal person like every other benchmark does?
If you were going to make a NVME vs sata SSD gaming comparison and had average load times of 4 and 5 seconds respectively the conclusion isn't that gaming is a flawed test for SSDs. It's that the bottleneck exists elsewhere which is what is actually important to people watching.
You still don't get it, if you are testing CPUs you don't want for any other component to limit your performance.
As for your storage testing. In many games you still need good CPU for that to even matter because it has to process all the data, so if you have shit CPU you can get the same result between SATA3 SSD and NVME SSD. Not only that but many games just don't care because they have to run on HDD.
Every proper channel or website explains it but you still don't get it.
You are immune to reason.
This whole bullshit about limiting performance is dumb, CPU performance scales down with resolution, GPU performance scales up and nobody is buying a $450 CPU for 1080p, while most people are buying $500+ GPUs for 1440p and 4K. It's a false equivalence, there is a use case for one scenario, but not the other, it's why performance figures in GPU benchmarks are just a lot more useful. If I want total CPU performance and possible headroom for devs, I would be looking at multicore production workloads, not 1080p games.
Have you ever played badly optimized game? Like in Vermintide 2 your fps will just dorp below 100 during hordes on almost any pc. But if you have a very powerful cpu then you can brute force through it. So no it's not useless thing to have..
Low IQ post again.
This isn't a benchmark of 4090. Its a benchmark of CPU. How much of a bottle neck CPUs are when all things are controlled.
They could have tested it with GTX 1060 and it would show no difference between CPUs but whats the use in that benchmark? Who gets value from benchmarking dozens of CPU a GPU bottleneck?
Again low IQ post.
Even if you go any lower in that game you won't get any more frames because you are CPU limited. Testing at 1080p is done to show you the difference between CPUs not to show what you deem realistic use case.
People like you would cap framerate to 30FPS and say there is no difference between GPUs.
Reality is your CPU has shit frame times because it has 2 CCDs and you're not putting together a 12100f with a 4090. For anything below a 6750XT which is what you're realistically going for, an i3 is ok, not as good as an R5 or an i5, but it's fine.
Ah yeah man, total bottleneck, performs as good as a 3600 that's 2.5 years newer on a much more powerful card.
When AMD eventually caught up in gaming,you had to pay $450 for that shit and Intel transitioned to CPUs with much better multi core performance, the sole reason why Ryzen became a success. What a sad state of affairs
Fix your quote man, I don't know what the frick are you talking about
Are you hinting about why I didn't buy i9 10900k?
1. It doesn't exist at the time
2. Because it will be overkill for my shitty 970
3. Intel pricing is still fricking moronic at that time until AMD BTFO them, now it make i3 the most value intel CPU ever because Ryzen never lower their price but intel did.
Dear Sir can you delete this graph please, it is going against my narrative.
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IPC matters more for games than the core count. moron
You heard that a few years ago and think you are smart for parroting it, don't you? Any modern game will use 4 cores at minimum, and most will scale beyond that. IPC matters when you are comparing apples to apples, that i3 is much better than a old 4 core i7, but against a modern i5 with 6 cores and 12 threads or 6P and 8E it's much worse, specially if you have literally anything open in the background, since the game will be fighting for resources.
cope. i3 12100f wins against ryzen 3600 in almost every game
yeah modern i3 barely gets better averages than 4 year old ryzen but with awful 0.1% lows and a 25% performance penalty if you open your browser, that's the smart choice
now where's the i5 again?
>open your browser
that's not something a non moron would do while playing a game
lay off the copium
nice non argument. guess you're one of the zoomer morons who play games with 10 different apps running in the background and complaining about low fps lmao
If you get a non potato CPU that won't be irrelevant in 3 years you don't have to cope, an i5 is not even that much expensive bro
>irrelevant
low how is lowering your performance irrelevant? there is going to be an fps hit regardless of your cpu if you have a bunch of useless shit running for no reason
Not really, games won't eat all the 12-24 threads a modern CPU has. But it'll use all the 4 cores of low end i3/R3 because that the bare minimum it needs to run, so anything else using them = heavy performance hit and awful stutters
tech illiterate morons
Now imagine that on a 4C8T, you open Ganker in the background and it's literally unplayable lmao
>zoomer needs to do multiple things at once cuz he has 0 attention span
kek
i bet you have 1 monitor you fricking poorgay
3 fans are usually better for cooling but not much, sometimes a 3 fan model can cost like 100$ more than a 2fan and then its not worth it
Not a zoomer, that's why I have disposable money to spend on my hobbies. You should try getting a job if you can't afford $50 for a much better experience, or maybe just get a console lmao
There's only been a handful of CPUs with any sort of staying power and the 3770K was the best of those so it is a bit of a lottery in that regard. Some CPUs look good on paper but their performance is still ass.
And none of them have been low end. Q6600 lasted for ages, 2500K did as well, so did the 4790K and the 8700K. Now Pentium and i3s? All memes that lasted a year or two at best and people were literally forced to upgrade if they wanted to game at 30fps+
My 8700K is still going strong, but you do need to get lucky with the higher end CPUs. I didn't say low end anything had staying power. You can get a top of the line CPU and it can still be butthole before a year is out.
>You can get a top of the line CPU and it can still be butthole before a year is out.
Almost never happened, but i7 7700K gays deserved it, the writing was on the wall.
The point is, beating on low end and expecting it to pay off is stupid and will never happen, quadcores have been on their way out for a while now, why the frick would you get a quadcore? The same happened when poorgays decided that 2C4T was going to last.
Nta but what exactly is the point of using a computer if you can only use one program at a time, why not just be a console pleb then?
and what is the point of running an app which you are not currently using? too lazy to close it?
It's a computer, it should be capable of doing multiple things at once.
>doing multiple things at once
well not shit but you're not gonna be playing a game and render a video at the same time, that's just stupid
An i3 will not be able to play games at a good frame rate and settings and then having anything going on in the background, how disingenuous are you to say that means rendering.
i don't need anything running in the background. just stfu about that shit already ffs
Then get a console, you don't need a computer.
Even smartphones can manage that now and you're telling other people to buy an i3.
Lol, lmao even
I should get a console because I know how to properly allocate resources on my PC? ok moron
>properly allocate resources on a PC
>uses an i3 to hamstring performance then tells others it's fine
Lol, lmao even
he's just poor anon, leave him alone
get a console, poorgay
Series S was made for "people" like you
>in others it'll be a complete stutterfest
What games?
Its not. Always assume that developers will get progressively stupider each year.
Yes, it is a meme, always build in the moment what gives you the best price/performance. AyyMD giving long support worked because they needed to be competitive against Intel since otherwise they would go bankrupt.
Still they didn't give 100% futureproof on what they promised since Threadripper 3000 demanded right away a new motherboard from scratch.
Now that Intel has been failing against them, im pretty sure AM5 will have only support to Ryzen 8000, then they will insist you to buy a motherboard again.
A very good meme. No matter how you seethe, 5800X3D is still amazing.
I see the cache as a meme, unless more people know how to take advantage of it in other areas than just PC games that are not "eSports", such as emulators, a second-hand 5800x is preferable and more if you are going to use it with graphics mid-range, to really take advantage of that cache would only be with 240Hz monitors and graphics like rx 7900 or RTX 4080 and playing things like CSGO.
7600X is already outperforming 5800X3D at $100 less right now. When DDR5 and AM5 prices drop, X3D gays will have their buyers remorse.
>buy cheap pared down shit
Literally no difference.
>that I'll have to upgrade in half the time cause it only boasts half the power
It's going to be good enough for the latest AAA games for the next couple of years at the very least, and when the time comes, just get another newest bare minimum PC again. Xbox SeX/PS5 generation still has a few more years to go. Get your FOMO checked.
>baby mobo you can't fit anything on
Literally no difference?
Okay buddy.
>you can't fit anything on
PCIE 4.0 GPU slot? It's there. 4 ram slots? A meme. NVME SSD Gen 4.0? A meme. Overclocking RAM? Use XMP. Cooling? Who needs an industrial fan to cool down an i3?
It's got all you need, unless you want to overclock the CPU, but who cares when you get a CPU+mobo combo for the price of a ryzen 5600 / i5 12400f that performs very marginally worse on 99% of the games you play.
Upgradeability is the big issue I think. DDR5 and future CPUs will only get faster and see better utilization, so it might be worth the extra $200 to go for an AM5/D5 1700 build, not only for that extra performance, but because you won't have to buy new RAM/mobo when upgrading the antiquated 4 core part.
>DDR5 and future CPUs will only get faster and see better utilization, so it might be worth the extra $200 to go for an AM5/D5 1700 build
They'll get cheaper over time. I don't see the point of buying them now.
>but because you won't have to buy new RAM/mobo when upgrading the antiquated 4 core part
Old parts can be sold on ebay.
>They'll get cheaper over time. I don't see the point of buying them now.
motherboards are an ATH and they're not going down. RAM is quite cheap, 32 GB of DDR5 are only $20 more expensive than DDR5, the only real cost is the CPU and a 7600 is astronomically better than an i3
>old parts can be sold on ebay
For a loss compared to newer, much more futureproof parts. Who the frick will even buy an H310 motherboard used? Do you see people buying H310 motherboards and 14nm i3s, because I sure as well fricking don't.
>motherboards are an ATH and they're not going down
They will make budget AM5s in the future.
>32 GB of DDR5 are only $20 more expensive than DDR5
You mean DDR4? Frick no. You could get 32GB DDR4 for $50 or even less if you know where to look. Slow DDR4s can be overclocked with XMP. Meanwhile DDR5 is $120 at least. I already have DDR4 sticks from my previous PC, why do I need to waste 120 bucks?
>For a loss compared to newer, much more futureproof parts.
Everything sells for a loss, and ultra cheap parts sell at a lower loss. If you're using a $70 mobo, you'll be selling it for $30 at the very least in a couple of years. That's only a $40 loss. Meanwhile a used B650 will have lower depreciation rate in percentage, yet you're losing many more dollars because it's $200.
>Do you see people buying H310 motherboards and 14nm i3s, because I sure as well fricking don't.
I do, they make good office and potato gaming PCs.
>They will make budget AM5s in the future.
$120 B650s are as budget as it gets
>Meanwhile DDR5 is $120 at least.
holy fricking moron, you can get Hynix A-die for less than $75, even slower DDR5 RAM performs identically to higher spec in games
>why do I need to waste 120 bucks
you're fricking irrelevant to the conversation dumbass, this is about first time buyers.
>ultra cheap parts sell at a lower loss
Give me the used price of a 3300X and a B450, now give me the used price of an i3 8100 and an H310 board. You're under the assumption that people will even want to buy your shit which they won't, nobody 's lining up for an i3 and a cheapo board when a Ryzen and B550 are $40 more.
>it's $200.
moron do you even look at the prices? It's 120 for a decent B650? You're 10 months behind, go fricking update yourself
>I do
cool, now look at the prices
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=i3+8100&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1
and look at the prices of an R5
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=r5+3600&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_odkw=i3+8100&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1
see a discrepancy?
>$120 B650s are as budget as it gets
That sucks. BB550M is $75 and accepts DDR4.
>you're fricking irrelevant to the conversation dumbass,
When you could buy 16GB DDR4 for 5 bucks used, it's quite relevant.
>Give me the used price of a 3300X and a B450, now give me the used price of an i3 8100 and an H310 board.
2020 CPU vs 2017 CPU? i3 8100 held up pretty well considering it's a 2017 ultra low end CPU thats still selling for $50 at ebay.
>see a discrepancy?
Bro, ryzen 3600 is 2 years newer than i3 8100. Compare that with i3 9100 from 2019, which are still selling for 35 bucks today at the cheapest. That's a $99 CPU at launch vs $200 R5 3600. R5 3600 are only $90 BRAND NEW today.
>but everything, but it's a meme when you do
Pick a lane buddy.
>fomo
>wanting basic usability
Wow, the same picture
>X3D gays will have their buyers remorse.
If you have buyers remorse for $300 you shouldn't be building gaming PC and instead you should look for a better job poorgay.
You had your chance Ganker
set me up with some of these and we're good to go.
Sovl. I can just hear it, like a jet taking off
>emachines
Ah, I'll never forget picking up my first computer after getting my first part time job as a teenager
It had integrated graphics but it was able to run maplestory and runescape
i'm still running pretty much anything i want on my i5 2500k so i'd say it was future proofed when i got it back over a decade ago
I'm gonna be using my i5-12400 until I fricking die, basically. There is absolutely NO reason to change it.
>There is absolutely NO reason to change it.
You only have one life. It's okay to treat yourself every now and then, especially if you wait a long time between doing so.
Future proofing is a dead term. Due to dogshit modern optimization, you need top of the line just to run things well in the present.
13600K is the real price/performance king. Is good today. Will be good 10 years from now regardless of GPU upgrade.
I keep flip flopping between that or the 7800X3D but honestly it's $200 more where I live and any benchmarks I look at (for 1440p) they're either right next to each other or the 7800X3D gets like a 10% boost at most, just doesn't seem worth the extra cash especially since I could push for a better GPU with those savings.
X3D is a waste of money for anything but Factorio and you get stuck on inferior AMD hardware
Intel 12th and 13th gen can run on DDR4
DDR5 ram is overpriced shit right now so being forced into a DDR5 mobo needs to be factored into the price/performance of a 13600k. It's comparable to a 12700k and can be paired which substantially quicker ram. It's not worth a marginal bump in performance if you have to gut the rest of your system to get there.
>price/performance
>not building to spec for what you want to do with it
I swear you homosexuals have no souls.
That's what price/performance means when you try to future proof you moron. You buy the most efficient thing that catches anything you'd want to do with it, knowing something eventually more expensive and better comes along but still can't replace it.
>i3 12100F
>3060
>32 Gb Ram
Couldn't be happier with this price/performance (AMD cards would be better, but frick them for not making their cards more AI accessible)
>buys an i3 for AI
no moron, the card
AMD cards work for AI. It's not a fault of the card as much as that users have mostly developed the tooling for nVidia with AMD as an afterthought.
a 1050ti can run elden ring
"future proofing" as in running everything at max settings max fps is a meme
buying a decent fricking setup and just coasting on that for a good while is not a meme
Learning about PC hardware is finding out weird shit like how a first/second gen i7 is worse than the latest gen i3.
Why wouldn't it be?
Wait till you find out an Xbox 360 is slower than a Series S
I buy a new CPU/GPU maybe every 7 or 8 years, and when I buy something new I buy something that's good performance to price value.
Buying new top of the line shit every time a new card/cpu generation comes out it for fricking morons.
Nowadays yes. I still have a 1080 and it serves me extremely well for just about anything except Ultra on modern games. Someone with a 3080 is basically set for the next 3-4 years.
25-30 years ago, the difference between a single year could mean the difference between whether you could play 3D games, pseudo-3D games, or if you were stuck with 2D games and MUDs if you cheaped out.
The only thing I can think of that even remotely resembles that level of next-year obsolescence is either high end VR or Stable Diffusion AI.
2500k still running every single modern game
doesnt run forspoken
have an old meme OP
I still have my 3700x and i dont need more. Everything runs fine
Would you use a 12400F?
A gpu? Yes
A cpu? No
A overkill cpu will last a few gpu gens and saves money buying new mobo's and the pain in the ass to rebuild your entire build.
Get the best cpu, 1 step down and your set for 4 to 6 years
>buying B350 Ryzen mobo with r3 1200 in 2017
>Upgrade to Ryzen 2600 for more cores.
>5800x3d next for 4 times the performance and another 6 years of future proofing of and not be a corelet.
One Motherboard To Rule Them All.
And how much money and effort did you waste in the process? You could just have bought a Skylake to have miles better performance from the start and barely have to upgrade now. And it's easier to sell a fully equipped platform than to sell a bottom of the barrel CPU alone.
Even if I bought top of the line CPU it would be wasted because it bottle necked my GPU at that time.
I'm not a moron who paired my 4core shit with 1080 Ti at that time.
I was rocking 970 with dual core i3 because moron in this board said no game will be using more than one cores for another two decades.
Ever since then I moved on to AMD because I know my Mobo will lasted for almost a decade unlike my shitty Sandybridge Mobo.
>And how much money and effort did you waste in the process?
Also
Sell my R3 1200 and used it to buy 2600 for half the price using 1200 money.
No other upgrade ever since.
Meanwhile intel moron need to sell everything just to upgrade to nextgen.
Selling CPU is much easier than selling motherboard or the whole rig because CPU rarely break, meanwhile only idiots buy used Motherboard and GPU.
This. I got a 3700x when that came out and I can't see myself needed to upgrade the CPU at any point in the near future. And if/when I eventually do need to upgrade I can just get whatever the best AM4 socket CPU is, which will presumably be very cheap by the point I need it.
It's the opposite. Stop playing in 60 fps jesus christ....
I think future proofing isn't a meme when it comes to CPUs. CPUs are rarely ever the bottleneck unless you're some sweaty esports gay playing CSGO at 640x480 at 500fps or whatever. So as long as you get even a somewhat decent processor, you should be totally fine for a very long time.
t. didn't upgrade from my 2500k until 2019
and even then I honestly could've kept using it but I needed to upgrade other stuff so it just made sense to get everything
If you want to rebuild your PC and wipe Windows every 2 years and buy and sell your parts second hand, then low/mid-range PC is the most cost effective option.
If you want a PC that lasts that you don't need to worry about, you get high-end stuff.
The only part you don't need to future-proof is GPU, since you can swap it in 5 minutes.
Replaced my 6700K 7 years after for a 13700K. Not planning any shorter than 5y.
"Future"? The future of what exactly??
Bro what about that latest AAA 200gig unoptimized slop console port?
Just turn off post processing and itll run on a 2012 pentium dummy
b-but you need to run games at 4k 120fps with raytracing! you uhhhh you m-must be a poorgay! s-seethe and cope!
games with most players are toaster friendly no shit. wow is from 2004 and still most played mmo.
And a toaster is all you need.
Those games are there because of multiplayer. Most AAA high performance games are singleplayer and you only play them a limited number of times.
Oh no you can't enjoy high end gaming because a bunch of third world morons are still playing team fortress
>post a 2 year old image to prove that people aren't playing recent games
I took that screenshot a minute before I posted it you dumb Black person
>top games (includes mexicans and third worlders that just in the past couple years were able to move on from skulltag and cs 1.6 to f2p "esports" titles and cheap indie shovelware)
What a useless point you tried to make.
Better?
Less of a meme than 4k that's for sure.
>5800X3D
Lol. Just move to AM5 Already, you can get better performance for $100 less.
>. Just move to AM5 Already, you can get better performance for $100 less.
>Move to AM5
>$100 less
Are you pretending to be moronic?
Where do I get a free AM5 mobo and DDR5 RAM?
Since we're here, should I upgrade my 3800X to a 5800X3D or take the leap to AM5? That would mean new ram, a new mobo and a new cpu vs just a new(er) cpu.
Current games get bottlenecked by the GPU at 1440p and above so why are you in a hurry?
Not particularly in a hurry, I only really grabbed the 3800X at release because the 3700X and 3900X were out of stock.
The only game that gave me some issues recently was Remnant 2, but I assume that's moreso that the game was coded by monkeys. 1440p 144hz monitor and a MSI 6950XT that's undervolted some cause it's very hungry.
Remnant 2 is just fricked it's GPU limited all the time. 3080 is barely doing stable native 1080p 60.
>We optimized the game around upscaling
my ass
When I saw that part about the game being optimized for upscaling I immediately thought this game is going to run and look like dogshit, besides the ugly fuzziness of FSR, it runs like dogshit
Can't wait for more UE5 games to run like absolute trash, it will be fun.
Next stop Immortals of Aveum.
What game gave you problems so you want to upgrade?
What monitor and GPU do you even have?
>dx12
yep that dogshit using only 1 core
but amd still shit btw
>mfw getting 7800X3D/4090 within the next month
Can't wait to not have to worry about framerates on any actually good games ever again.
>ever again
oh sweet summer child
you need at least 16gb of vram for this ps5 pro generation
Kind of, that's why I started past proofing my pc instead
Yes I use a i5 13600k how could you tell?
>Winblows starts doing some shit in the background while you are in the middle of the game
>0.1% low FPS drops
It's worthless metric, you would need to do hours of testing for it to become relevant. If you run a game for an hour at 144FPS .1% is 518.4 frames out of 518400 in total.
So better metric is how many frames go past certain frametime. Which only a few media outlets.
my laptop just broke, is AM5 viable if im building a new rig from scratch or is it still not worth it and should stick to AM4
It's honestly just overkill and not worth it. I'd recommend just buying a 5500; it'll make most games run like butter.
>future proofing
>a year and a half after the release of the cpu
The real test is in another four or five years. We'll see how a 5800x3d running on a motherboard that will be 10 years old at that point is competing against contemporary budget options. My prediction? If you bought a b350 or x370 board in 2017 and were patient enough to not upgrade until zen 3 compatibility was unlocked for it, you hit the fricking jackpot.
More expensive Ryzens are mostly for people wanting to work and render, threadrippers was made to be used in supercomputers
No super computers use Epyc. Similar but not the same.
>want to upgrade cpu
>need a new mobo
>case
>ddr4
>psu
>cpu cooler
Guess I'm sticking with older games
Why do you need new PSU, cooler and case?
As far as I know manufacturers are starting to not include coolers with their cpus, though that might only be AMD. PSU, my current is 600 watts, I'm assuming if I upgrade all of the above I'll need something better. Case, I guess I'll concede there, it's just old now and the front ports don't even work anymore.
Even more reason to stall then
>Even more reason to stall then
> not include coolers with their cpus, though that might only be AMD
Black person, what kind of cave are you living right now?
I think they're not including CPUs coolers because the requirements of cooling for some AMD chips isn't going to be covered by whatever stock cooler AMD would pack with the thing.
You would also think that anyone building a PC with a mid range to high end CPU is going to get their own cooler anyway.
The only one with no cooler are the ENTERPRISE shit one, why the frick you used those for gaming?
If you don't buy X series AMD or K series Intel you will get cooler included.
Also AM4 is backwards compatible with older sockets in terms of coolers. Decent 600W will be plenty unless you buy high end CPU and GPU.
windows xp gamer
>>ddr4
anon...we already at 5
my 10900k, 32GB DDR4, RTX 3090 runs everything.
whats actually changed is garbage ray tracing performance, directx storage and RTX IO has only ever been used in 1 game, fricking ratchet and you don't notice jack shit.
>tfw i7 7700k gtx 1080
>i5 7600 1070
me too bro, me too
My 5.1 GHz 9700k still going strong
I bought a Ryzen 9 3900X like a year ago and just got a 3060. How long am I good for?
2 more weeks
A few weeks at best. That CPU will start hitting 95C under suspicious circumstances and eventually fry itself and any cooler attached to it. You have a cache of thermite for a processor.
t. knower
We're already in Ryzen 7000 series. 3900 is bit outdated.
You need cpu with 3d cache only if you are going to play cpu depended games. Like rimworld, factorio etc. It won't be the best choice for console ports.
yes
should be good for 4-5 years, especially at 1440p
>4-5 years
that's not a good future bro
in 4-5 years there will be new standards. new directX, new ram types, new storage types. why do i think it's going to be 4-5 years? because the "current gen" of hardware standards 3 years old and that stuff never stays the same for much more than 5 or 6 years.
I don't care about futureproofing because either way I'll use the same pc for 10-15 years.
YES YOU LITTLE b***h
what should I upgrade my 1600 AF to
5600 or 5700X
>Had a 2600x since a little after it's release
>Upgraded GPUs to a 6600xt about a year ago
>A month later got a 5700x during a flash sale
>Tfw didn't need to upgrade but now a whole lot more future proof than before
>i7-7700
>1060ti
>16gb RAM
>1080p 60hz
>same ssd and hdd from 2016
It’s less of a meme now than ever. Technological change has slowed to a crawl and games are being held back and don’t need the extra juice anyway. You had like 3-5 years of relevancy max for your gear back in the day now you are talking 5-10 years.
Cost average that and you can afford to splurge.
If that's the case then wouldn't cheap low end CPUs stay relevant for a long time and there's no point in paying $350 for a CPU?
im still using my PSU from 2013 is that normal bros...? how long do I have?
usually ten years, so you're looking at replacing it now
A well-made PSU can absolutely last for a decade, and should last well beyond that. Frankly, the fan should die long before anything on the actual circuit board does. Coil whine does sometimes develop/worsen after many years, but that's an inconvenience rather than a danger.
Are you experiencing random shutdowns during heavy load situations? Or even idle? Has a transient power spike fried one or more components in your PC? Is your PSU's fan still operating normally? If things seem to be proceeding as they were, say, five years ago, I wouldn't worry too much about it. You could always buy a new unit if you want the peace of mind, but even brand new units can have their own problems; if your current one is still working fine and you don't need a larger supply for beefier parts, then I'd say just keep on trucking.
zero issues as far as im aware, well maybe one.
>random shutdowns during heavy load situations? Or even idle?
occasionally the pc will refuse to wakeup after going to sleep, but it does start up again after a few reboots. Ive stopped it from going to sleep and havnt had any issues for months now. I guess this could be related
Also a dying psu can damage other components? how likely is that?
i7-3770K for 10 years and still going. If you're just going to buy the latest shit every release and apply it on the highest possible settings without thought then no shit it's a meme.
Drop a cpu+mobo+gpu combo so I can play new 1090p vidya. Make it a console killer
3700x+b450+6700
ps5 in a pc
PS5's CPU is way worse than a 3600, it has 1.5 cores dedicated to OS, it's a Zen 2 CPU with starved cache, has locked cores below base of most Zen 2 based lineup and runs off high latency GDDR. People keep saying 3700x is an equivalent due to the core count but it's probably closer to a 2600, maybe slightly worse.
*locked clocks
3.5GHz to be exact, doesn't boost at all
even better. pretends that your pc is a ps5 pro with the boost in specs.
Every time I pick a B??? mobo pcpartpicker always warns me the BIOS might be outdated and not work out of the box. How do I make sure this won't happen? No, asking the store to flash for me isn't an option because I want to make sure the mobo is brand new
get a motherboard that lets you flash the bios without a cpu
get a used cpu (ryzen 1000 or 2000) that will let you access the bios
roll the dice on the mobo and hope it has up to date bios
pcpartpicker always says that no matter what amd mobo you pick. check the manufacturer date on the box, if the mobo came out after the cpu release it should have the bios update. 3700x cpus came out in 2019 so the manufacturer date cannot be before that.
You can't, unless you get to the mobo website and check if the CPU was already supported on the first BIOS version.
Don't overestimate PCpartpicker.
Just check the revision on the manufacturers site.
They always have compatibility lists.
Assume the oldest bios shown.
Plenty of mobo's can be biosflashed without even a cpu installed these days but it's best to assume you won't have that option.
If it's a the mobo is a A5xx or B5xx and the CPU a Ryzen 3xxx-5xxx, you don't have to worry. It's mostly a thing for old chipsets and new chips or new chipsets and old chips.
>4 cores
CPUs are so far ahead of GPUs right now you may even get away with it for a few years, but don't think it'll perform as good the entire generation, there's already games that use 6+ cores and makes modern 4C8T get half the framerate of a 6C12T. That half still being 60fps+ but I wouldn't call that future proof.
But it's not like it'll hurt anyway, when shit start hitting the fan you can just buy the best CPU for the socket for very cheap second hand.
Don't overspend on a motherboard for a dead end platform.
You realisticly won't upgrade the cpu because improved IPC is what you will want by then.
Get a slightly beefier PSU for additional headroom in case you want to upgrade the graphics card to a midrange card 2 gens from now that might require more power.
Can you guys help me build the best desktop possible for <$1000? What CPU and GPU would you suggest starting with?
What do you plan to do with it and with what monitor? Desired frames?
>RTX 4060
~$300
>Ryzen 7600x
~$250
>B650 ATX motherboard
~$200
>2x8GB RAM, DDR5 6000MHz (lower speeds = lower price, possible to cut down on costs a bit)
~$90
>1TB SSD, M.2 6000+/5000+ MB/s (lower speeds = lower price, possible to cut down on costs a bit)
~$80
>600/650GW PSU (skimp out at your own risk)
~$100~$150
= $1,020~$1,080
(monitors and peripherals not included)
(prices may be higher or lower in your area)
P.S. in case somebody gets anal about budget exceeding by twenty bucks, you can switch the CPU for a 5800x and a fitting motherboard to get into the budget range but the 7600x is such good bang for your buck and so much better that I think it's worth it anyways. Although 5600x will do the job as well
forgot to add tower case (~$100) and optional CPU cooler ($50~100)... If you get the 5600x and cut down on some of the memory speeds you should be able to get it inside or close to the budget
>case (~$100) and optional CPU cooler ($50~100)
Seriously dude don't recommend anything
Seriously dude don't recommend anything
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mxxV34
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q7sv6D
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QvDmPF
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8WJNn6
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nm2zKX
fix a part
>psu ~$100~$150
>b650~$200
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-PRO-B650M-P-Motherboard-Processors/dp/B0C7SJFDXK/
https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-B650M-HDV-M-2-Supports-Processors/dp/B0BY6YRT41/
what the frick are you recommending? Are you telling him to go spend almost $150 extra on a motherboard and power supply?
>(prices may be higher or lower in your area)
being a yurogay, my prices differ quite a lot from US prices. Motherboards, CPUs and GPUs are significantly more expensive here it seems. SSDs are a bit cheaper though.
also I have bad experiences from buying cheap PSUs. Had some cheap Chinese shit that was eventually pulled from the shelves after I had bought and owned it for a few years due to safety concerns. Of course I was none the wiser. It ended up short circuiting and there was a literal live arc that caused a few quick flashes to emit from under my desk coupled by a little bit of smoke. Took me about ten seconds to pull the plug and rush my tower outside in case it had caught fire. Thankfully it only took my keyboard with it, nothing else broke. Also I was terrified of touching the damn thing for over a month in case it still had a deadly electrical charge.
TL;DR skimp out on the PSU at your own risk
There is a €50 power supply that will not give you those failures, I have an EVGA w2 that has a low tier in the recommended power supplies and has been alive for 3 years, the Thermaltake that I bought for another PC at €40 it has not failed me. If you go for shit like Mars gaming, it's logical that you go wrong, in summer sales there were Cooler Master power supplies at a good price.
good to know. In any case I probably overshot the prices a lot but that means the rig should be within the $1k budget anon asked for.
Ever since I found out intel is israeli both figuratively and literally, Ive stopped buying anything from them
That's the Pentium G4560 equivalent nowadays, it's cheap and performs well but it'll be a dead weight by the end of the generation. Get a i5 or a R5 at least, 4 cores are on their way out.
>against a modern i5 with 6 cores and 12 threads or 6P and 8E it's much worse
Cap.
>specially if you have literally anything open in the background
Then you shouldn't.
Now do a i5 from the same gen. Pentium gays used to cope the same way bro, and way before that it was Core2Duo gays. On the AMD side it was 6300 gays and Phenom X2/X3 gays. You'll buy a new CPU down the road or be left behind screaming BAD OPTIMIZATION SAVE ME Black personMAN
>that 0.1%
stutterfest cpu
>OH NO THE GAME FREEZES FOR 0.01 SECOND EVERY 5 MINUTES
Don't care. i3+mobo costs less than ryzen 5600 / intel 12400f without the mobo.
Try every 5 seconds lmao
Should've gotten a Series S, at least it will still be running modern games in 2 years.
PC gaming is a racket
Devs deliberately make bloated messes of unoptimised code that require supercomputers just to boot up, so that GPU and CPU manufacturers can then jack their prices up knowing full well that gamers will have to pay it to play new games. And once players have bought these overpriced components, they feel obligated to buy the bloated shitty games to 'justify' the money they spent on their PC. And around and around it goes
Break the cycle and retvrn to the traditional home of gaming: consoles.
Or don't get shit with Denuevo, shit's that's unoptimized and or is high-fidelity-AAA trash.
homie just don't put every game on ultra lol
a 10 year old i5 is still decent enough if you play at console framerates with console settings
That's the beauty of PC gaming, you can always use console settings if you don't want to upgrade lol
You just need the bestest and greatest if you want to crank everything up to Ultra, but that's stupid to begin with, High settings is good enough 99% of the time.
>implying I play anything made in the last decade
>implying I play AAA goyslop
>I can't run games on high settings for 8 years on literal garbage hardware like I could in 7th gen so pc gaming is a vast conspiracy to charge money
Get a job.
>return to having no choice or power and sucking corpo wiener
hahahaha Sony getting a bit desperate? The future of gaming is pasoko
The X3D shines in the 1% and specially 0.1% lows, does not seem much but it is, you never realize how bad the stuttering is with most games
I just wanna play arma and other milsperg titles without going the enthusiast $3000 route
any recommendations for something budget enough but can still work with 1440p? I know the x3d chips shine in these types of games
5800X3D or 13600k (ddr5 boards and ram are still not worth it)
Any compatible board with at least one pcie 4.0 slot, preferably from asrock or MSI
16 gigs of ram @ 3200mhz and cl18
Rtx 4070 runs the latest 'slop at 1440p
I was already leaning towards 32GB of RAM and found stuff like 3200hz cl16 for fifty bucks or so, crazy how cheap ddr4 is
what do you think about 5600x3d now? I can't find many benchmarks, especially for games I want to play, but it seems like it's generally 5% less game performance than the 5800x3d for nearly $100 less. the bundle at micro center is $300 for a decent mobo and 16gb of ram included
dunno if the two extra cores are worth the money
kinda wanna wait til the end of this year for gpu stuff
Its very much worth it, go for it
the 5800x3d or the bundle?
Bundle
Future-proofing used to be more accessible in the past, mainly in GPUs, but most i7 processors were within an okay range for most people. So yeah, it wasn't a meme back then. Nowadays, however, PC gaming sucks if you don't future-proof enough. You will feel the age of your machine within four years at best. Imagine all these people who bought Ryzen 5/7 2000 with an RTX 2070 for example, today, they can barely handle current games at 1440P high 60 frames.
>2070 for 1440p high 60
maybe with dlss
as someone that had a 2060 super, getting that is 100% possible
highly doubt that. go down the list of demanding releases from the last 2 years, how many of them get a solid 60 on high settings at 1440p without dlss? not saying it's impossible but i'm saying the list is short.
Just let the zoomer morons suffer lmao
People think just because you can run some early gen title well it guarantees that the entire gen will be a cakewalk, the last 20 years have proved that wrong over and over
Remember when morons though a Pentium/i3 + 750Ti was a viable build? That was funny. At least the Digital Foundry gays tried to warn them.
See, those morons were kind of right when it came to 7th gen, which so many people seem to be under the delusion is representative of all PC gaming history. You should have seen the shitstorm that came out back in the day because people with fancy, expensive as balls 486es that worked fine with Doom would have had to upgrade to a newer system or at least buy a hardware graphics accelerator (GPUs were a new idea at the time) in order to play Quake and not have it run like complete shit. People had to upgrade for lots of money to play Doom even when their systems had handled Wolfenstein 3D just fine previously.
You can still get future proofing now, but it involves buying high end shit that will last you years before you have to upgrade or start turning down settings. The advent of raytracing/rtx and fsr/dlss put a small hamper on that since they necessitated updating on their own.
test
planed obsolescence makes it harder
Not really a fair comparison, do a cemu benchmark and show me the results
I just bought that i3 with a 660m wifi max so I can overclock it. I'm seriously impressed by how much it can lift.
>want to build a new PC
>a decent GPU is 500€
when will the suffering end?
I've been looking for a GPU as well and I've noticed that all the GPUs in sock tend to be double fan.
Does having three fans over two really make much of a difference in terms of cooling?
Or is it more that having three fans means they can go at a lower RPM to produce the same airflow and are quieter as a result?
Both, but just like the other anon said, if it's worth or not depends on the price.
Depends on how long you're keeping the current build. If it's like 6 years or so then just go upper tier
There is no modern Crysis. Modern games perform horribly because the programmers suck, not because they're implementing cutting edge graphics papers.
Did you upgrade your 2500k to this, mr poorgay? It won't last as long, you know
i fell for 5800x3d meme and its actually been keeping up well
>playing factorio at 352 fps
Nobody does that.
learn to read dumbass
>buying something you literally dont need when the viable alternative is a quarter of its price just because its *probably* going to stay relevant in the next few years, assuming none of the parts fail
I hope your X3D doesn't explode I guess.
>something you literally dont need
Cope, more CPU power is always good for a snappy system and upgrading GPUs for a long time
you find the limit way sooner than you'd expect. The ryzen 3600 is already inadequate for some games even if you have a mere 3060ti, and the 3600 isn't even that old.
>but muh prices
CPUs cheap
>RDR in RPCS3
>no Xenia
>glitches everywhere
>not even a 4090 can play at 4k 60fps
>not even a 4090 can play at 4k 60fps
>glitches everywhere
>He doesn't know what game patches are
>implying that RPCS3 does not experience the same
>IT'S A BENCHMARK moron
There are titles more demanding than RDR I think, TLOU there is a part that kills the CPU and really that 3D cache does not help at all in that emulator. anyway if you are going to play RDR 1 Xenia performs better.
It literally drops below 60fps, midrange GPUs are just destroyed at 1440p+. I'd rather stick to 30fps.
And patches that will remove graphical effects entirely so shit like the sun won't appear in interiors? lmao
Pretty sure there's still no fix for shadows fricking up either
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>Pretty sure there's still no fix for shadows fricking up either
I don't know what glich is that and I finished it in the emulator relatively recently
>It literally drops below 60fps, midrange GPUs are just destroyed at 1440p+. I'd rather stick to 30fps.
Now a normal graphic like a 3060 can play them at 2k at 50-60 fps and in the video you can see it in armadillo that that city that lowers the frames, and it remains undeniable that RDR1 plays better in Xenia than in RPCS3
>And patches that will remove graphical effects entirely so shit like the sun won't appear in interiors? lmao
>name = "Disable Sun Flare"
>desc = "This prevents the sun flare effect, which clips through buildings and props, from rendering. May also partially remedy flashing and image exposure issues that arise when upscaling."
you're a fricking moron who hasn't used the emulator for a long time
>top of the line housefire only delivering 50 fps
KEK, why bother
>The ryzen 3600 is already inadequate for some games
Still getting 60 fps at 1080p low on remnant 2.
factorio
Also this reminds me about the meme about NPCs who aren't capable of critical thinking.
Fricking moron. It's a benchmark. Holy fricking frick man.
IT'S A BENCHMARK moron
>It's a benchmark
Only benchracing gays who think they can predict the future of PC market care about that.
If you buy now a 1000 dollars pc it will last you for the next 10 years at last. Considering i am still playing games coming out now with my i5 gtx960. Technology isn't improving, just stupid shit like more lightning or shitty porting which hogs you resources. A ps4 game can run without trouble in a 10 years old pc.
>getting a CPU with less cores than consoles
that's not gonna end well, they don't have laptop cpus anymore
>they don't have laptop cpus anymore
>implying
That's not laptop tier, back then a literal pentium could match a PS4, a 2 core matching a 8 core. Didn't last long tho
That is lower than laptop tier. 4750G is a laptop CPU. 4750U is literally the same APU albeit with fewer GPU cores, the CPU performs the same.
>back then a literal pentium could match a PS4, a 2 core matching a 8 core
Right now a 3 year old 4 core CPU demolishes Xbox CPU.
Depends on the part and your projected time. I bought my PSU to be good for 10+ years and I am at about 8 now with no end in sight and 2 major machine revisions in. I didn't need the full wattage initially and I am only now starting to creep up on the point when it becomes less efficient.
The thing about PSUs is that if their build quality is good they'll will last forever, but will just get less efficient over time. You don't really have to care unless you upgrade and really need more juice, but with something around 600-750W, that's highly unlikely anyway.
Yep, I got a platinum rated 750W from Seasonic years ago. Will continue to keep on keeping on for many more years to come because their high end is second only to the shit they make for enterprise OEMs. Don't fricking skimp on the PSU and you will save hundreds over the years, by far the most future proof-able part.
I'd rather buy a PS5 or XSX rather than a gaming rig because at least they are portable.
>at least they are portable
I've got a 7800X3D
luv it
If you're buying a new comp, the only "future proof" you need right now is a DDR5 motherboard, because in 2-3 all high end cpus will be on ddr5 memory.
I went from 6 to 12 cores in the same Ryzen range and it's the best thing I ever did as far as this build goes. I can now afford to sit back and wait and only upgrade the GPU. Outside of gaming it's a gamechanger
Tell me 1 (One) singular time when getting a i3 paid off. Go ahead. You gays are saving $50 now but that shit will only last a year or two, unless you got an equally bad GPU with awful price/performance to match, that is.
>Tell me 1 (One) singular time when getting a i3 paid off
Budget part prices hold up better in the used market.
>You gays are saving $50
At least $100, because more powerful CPUs require decent mobos while i3 could use the cheapest one possible safely.
>unless you got an equally bad GPU with awful price/performance to match
RX 6600 has the best price/performance right now and it's going to be bottlenecked by higher end CPUs than 13th gen i3.
>he is so poverty stricken he buys pc parts honestly considering resale value
Holy frick
It gets worse, he's considering the resale value of a $80 part. 80 fricking dollars. The average person makes that in what, 2 or 3 hours? Can only be a thirdie.
>futureproofingBlack folk calling people who buy the latest and most cost efficient PC parts LE POOR TURDIE while planning on using the same PC parts for a decade.
>anyone who doesn't agree to my poverty cope is a future proofer!
This is what poverty does to your brain
>Budget part prices hold up better in the used market.
lol wut, old i7s are still priced really high for some reason, while i3s are usually less expensive than shipping.
>At least $100, because more powerful CPUs require decent mobos while i3 could use the cheapest one possible safely.
Any budget mobo should handle a base i5 without OC, that's pure moronation. They are barely 10W apart.
>RX 6600 has the best price/performance right now and it's going to be bottlenecked by higher end CPUs than 13th gen i3.
Yeah, but I'm talking about crap like 6400/6500.
>old i7s are still priced really high for some reason, while i3s are usually less expensive than shipping.
Yeah but that i7 was absurdly expensive at launch while the i3 was cheaper than dirt. In the end, the i7 seller would lose more than $100 at the used market while the i3 seller would lose $40.
>They are barely 10W apart
That's the TDP rating. At maximum load, the gap is huge. The i5 goes up to 150W.
>I'm talking about crap like 6400/6500
Let alone those.
It depends but a better CPU is always good to have and the best ones aren't even expensive because they're from AMD.
On the GPU side you should focus on not spending too much on obviously gimped planned obsolescence GPUs. If you bought a 4070Ti I feel bad for you.
>get a 2+ year old midrange on a current socket and a decent mobo
>upgrade to today's high end for cheap later on
That's the trick. Learn it.
I really don't get why poorgays decide to cope on Ganker instead of just getting a console.
>PC needs upgrading, probably from scratch
>Also be moronic and out of touch regarding PC components
>Looking at PC part sites gets me confused and I give up after five minutes
How do you guys keep up with this constantly evolving shit? I have no idea what these numbers and words mean any more. Looks like I'm stuck with my 1080 for a little while longer.
>1080
That's still really good tbh. Do you really need a upgrade?
go look up builds on pcpartpicker
>saves 1-3 hours of work on a new part
>waste dozens of hours coping on Ganker and looking up videos to check if the latest game will run decently
Doesn't sound like a good investment tbh
Until you consider these 1-3 hours in the third world are more like entire weeks. Then it all makes sense
Good point. Imagine if we had flags
>X3D
>25 results
AMD's pajeet shill army working overtime outside of Ganker. Sales must be awful. Shouldn't have released a flawed SoC that tries to run at 95C all the time.
7800X3D tjmax is 89c though
>Chip that barely outperforms last gen is gimped
so?
I hope you poorBlack folk buying 4 core i3s in Anno domini 2023 are at least getting a decent motherboard so you can just get a second hand high end CPU for cheap later on
>fake benchmark video from benchmark bots on youtube