Is hating this the new "Fallout New Vegas is not of good sir!" or "Half Life 2 was never good!" for Star Wars games?
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Is hating this the new "Fallout New Vegas is not of good sir!" or "Half Life 2 was never good!" for Star Wars games?
There has always been people who dislike 2, though most of the time it feels like they dislike that 2 gets more discussion than anything about the game itself
The former.
It's a far more interesting title to discuss.
I remember sometime back in the mid to late 2000s people were absolutely gushing over the plot of the first KOTOR, and especially gushing over how genius the plot twist was. I also heard some people say that KOTOR 2’s plot was underwhelming by comparison.
Fast forward to now and the opinion seems to be reversed with people saying that KOTOR 2 is genius, while KOTOR 1 is just “alright”.
I wonder what caused the opinion shift?
Bioware repeated the kotor 1 plot 80 thousand times and it became retroactively boring.
1 only has the twist and neat ideas, 2 has depth that uses those ideas to a much greater degree and throws more role playing possibilities as well as things to think about. Thats why I love it more.
>I wonder what caused the opinion shift?
on Ganker it's partly because of this site's inherent contrarianism on any topic
Also a big part of the 2 love is that the game got a proper update for modern operating system compatibility around 2014~ as well as steam workshop support that had the Content Restoration mod available from the start, allowing people to actually play the game.
I hate that the story has huge gaps in it. Some are easy to figure out, but others, especially towards the end, make no sense.
No, its just people rightfully hating a literally unfinished game that is still being sold for money.
Kotor 1 and 2 should be played in order.
Kotor 1 was close to how traditional star wars was just gives a bit more depth because you have more time to explore the world
Kotor 2 is the writers trying to critique the star wars canon in general
KotOR 2 is a fine piece of unfinished garbage
>b-but muh cut content mod!!!!
Don't care
>b-but you have to!!!!
Modding is for trannies
>b-but it's not true!!!!
Yes it is
>Modding is for trannies
Is there a word for behavior like this
It's the zoomers, they need to be gatekept out of PC gaming harder, quite frankly.
>It's the zoomers
But according to Ganker the zoomers are the ones who keep using mods because it makes games easy or they're too ADHD to enjoy only the base game without oodles of content
consolegays HATE mods
Weak irony immunity.
being anon
Transpotting
It's acceptable to hate it for being unfinished, but even back in 2004 it was better than kotor 1.
I don't hate KOTOR 2, I just prefer the first one. Obsididrones on the other hand always tell people to skip the first one and act like it's worse than the second one in every way despite being an actually finished and complete game with more lived in planets
Theres an organized shilling campaign against older games on Ganker for at least 3 years now.
Paid corporate employees and professional marketeers and bots and shills with just as many if not even more organized unpaid disc*rd morons.
Anti Morrowind threads, anti new vegas threads, anti oblivion threads, anti skyrim threads, anti fallout 1 and 2 threads, etc.
All artificial and inorganic bumped by samegays and phone gays that change ips but dont have the brainpower to change posting patterns and images they use.
Probably some scripts and bots as well.
>skyrim
Skyrim was released like 6 months ago anon
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>??? Impossible!
What if you stop posting like a passive bottom aggressive homosexual and realize I recognize posting patterns.
I play vidya since the late eighties and have refined my tastes over decades of playing and discussing and analyzing games of all genres and subgenres, from perspectives of a casual kid and a hardened veteran pro player.
Organized campaigns are different from genuine anon posts.
What if you played actually good old games like Deus Ex instead of “old” games from the late 2000s? Morrowind was good, reskinned knock off Morrowind not so much.
>people don’t like generic Bethesda RPG #5 that plays the same as the ones before it and is a dumbed down version of Morrowind??? Impossible!
lol
>older games
>Skyrim
>a 2011 game that is still being rereleased and milked by its devs to this day
Uh huh.
Its been 11 years.
Its like talking about a game released in 1991. such as Sonic the hedgehog but in 2002.
To some younglings ps3 and Xbox360 are retro
You’d have more of a point if Skyrim wasn’t still being rereleased with pointless editions that add fishing or have slightly better textures that you could get with a mod. Sonic 1991 isn’t being released again for full price every couple years, if it was I would lump it in with Skyrim.
Its not a matter of points or debate. I stated what is happening on the Ganker and who and how is doing it.
Skyrim is a game thats "superseded" in the selling marketing cycle by Fallout 4, ESO, Fallout and Microsofts cashgrab release of it doesn't change the fact that anti skyrim threads were made.
The SILENT MAJORITY is just breaking up these anceint old circlejerks, one game at a time
True, most older games aged like dogshit. It's just that people circlejerking over them are getting called out.
I am saying this as a person that still likes KoTOR 2 a lot.
And I’m saying that “anti Skyrim” threads aren’t against older games, since Skyrim is a rereleased cash cow. Morrowind is caught in the larger shitflinging fest that is Bethesda RPG discussion. Oblivion fans hate Skyrim and vice versa, NV fans hate 3 and vice versa, etc etc.
KOTOR is apart of the Star Wars franchise which has fans across ages, I’m not surprised that homosexual zoomers decide to retroactively shit on 1 or 2.
How many older game hate threads have you seen for Deus Ex? VtM Bloodlines? Sonic 1991? Early Ace Combat/Armored Core? Silent Hill? I don’t think it is as concentrated of an effort as you make it out to be. Bethesda/MS probably pays people to smear Skyrim when they get close to releasing a new RPG that will play very similarly to it (Starfield) but I don’t think there is a larger campaign against older games due to the lack of hate threads for many older games.
You are trying to hard to muddy the waters cancerous corporate cuckold.
Suck MY SILENT MAJOR wiener you gay.
>Silent Hill?
Actually I'm seeing a few gays calling silent hill a bad game and of course a troony game. Same with Deux Ex
To be honest the morrowind thread is just a regular morrowind thread, the OP is just here so more people talk about the game
>anti skyrim threads
Nothing wrong with this, Skyrim is boring even with mods. I mean I'm going to look cool but the game is still to be boring and the combat shit
>Anon realizes that Kreia is a lying hypocrite
That is literally the point
I think anon's point is that she isn't internally consistent on anything, including her own motivations.
>Why did you help him? Do you get some moral satisfaction from it? Are you going to solve everyone's problem for them like some errand boy
Hey, as long as they give me XP, I don't give a frick. Now get out of my party so I can replace you with droids.
the game sucks, you are just finally hearing good opinions from people with taste..
The problem arises when fans of KOTOR 2 start throwing around terms like "masterpiece" and "painstakingly crafted". No level-headed person can let that pass without comment. The game is unfinished, has many issues with the sequencing of its dialogue, and is often just plain ugly. Look at the cutscenes with the crude attempts at cinematic action - they're fricking laughable, and not excused by the age of the game. MGS2 came out before this.
There's always a segment of people who did not like 2.
>It's unfinished and feels worse as a game than KOTOR 1
>It's trying to be subversive to something as black and white as classic Star Wars (and fails at morally gray choices anyway)
>The writing is overrated and it has tons of pseud fans
It's still a good game, but it has been consistantly overrated for too long.
>and fails at morally gray choices anyway
APATHY IS DEATH
The game explicitly tells you that being a fencesitting greygay is bad, it just wants your reasons for your choice to be more than blind following of ideology
I meant in the sense of something that is right from one perspective and wrong from onother perspective, for example Onderon if you want to support the nativists and not want the planet to be absorbed into the republic, your character randomly becomes a cackling maniacal sith type, even if you're doing it out of interest for the people. This isn't even a case of overturning a democracy, this is throwing out a Monarch who will let her planet become just another Republic World vs a popular Hero who wants to keep Onderon free.
But my reasons are being better at light or dark force abilities. That's fricking it.
I feel like many people didn't kill the engineer dude on citadel station. Kreia initially gets mad at you, but you can explain that you did it to cover your tracks and she concedes to that point. Otherwise she scolds you for pointless murder.
This you cant how many tip fedoras from Woolie and the comment section alone after that fricking Dantoonie scene.
A game has to have an ending to be good, in my opinion. Can't just fricking stop.
>Usually hate replaying games
>Have replayed KOTOR I 4-5 times (Just finished most recent playthrough) and KOTOR II 4 times
I kneel. What build should I do for a II replay?
Gunslinger with force. Without force if you've already done one with force.
high cha jedi master focused on party buffs or a dueling high str sith marauder
People literally just do this because they know it'll upset people.
Same way I'll make threads calling a game reddit, even if I like the game, just because I know it'll generate laughable amounts of seething.
it's always been hated by people that like traditional star wars bullshit
The Star Wars movies are among my favourite movies of all time, and I think KOTOR 2 is an absolute masterpiece (albeit a flawed masterpiece due to it being blatantly unfinished). It’s also not really that different from the movies. Thematically, it’s very in line with the Prequels, and the whole premise of travelling across the Galaxy in a smuggler’s ship with a crew of underdogs is ripped straight from the OT.
The claim that people who like KOTOR 2 hate SW is a meme made by people who don’t understand SW.
Why would anyone pick Critical Strike or Power Strike?
Power strike allows you to 1 shot Darth Sion when combined with high strength, Force Speed and Battle Meditation. It’s the most powerful melee attack in the game when combined with buffs. Critical Strike is good if you’re using a weapon with a high crit chance.
>coolest armor in the game
>fight literally hundreds of enemies wearing it
>completely unobtainable
woops wrong image
You can obtain the mask, but not the outfit. What’s even more bullshit is that the mask doesn’t even give you any stealth benefits, despite cloaking being these guys’ gimmick.
I wanted to wear this outfit too. I was playing as a Sith Assassin and wanted the outfit to match.
For me it's Jal Shey Neophyte Armor
the robe choices in kotor 2 are great. I wish fallen order had some robes but it turned out to be yet another small disappointment in the game
Disney destroyed SW forever.
You will never ever have another soulful SW content.
KOTOR 2's standing in canon already got ass fricked by the Drew Karpyshit novel
Fricking
>Meetra Surik
Ruined Revan too, frick.
Wasn’t that novel written because Drew was literally seething about KOTOR 2? He apparently felt personally attacked by KOTOR 2.
No, Drew is, and always has been, a bad writer.
He’s a Bioware writer so that’s understandable. The man couldn’t write a plot that’s not “you’re the chosen one, save the world from the ancient evil” to save his life.
I don't think he was seething about KOTOR 2. Maybe he had Vitiate knocking around in his head at the time and Avellone came along and deconstructed him with Darth Nihilis before he even existed.
The real answer is because KOTOR 2's cast was all someone else's toys and Drew wasn't interested in them. He clearly had his own ideas about how the Jedi order should be rebuilding through Bastila because, like with Disney, all they can focus on is lineage and relics.
Frankly, story would have been better off if 2 hadn't even been mentioned.
Exile"s story is all about learning from Darth Traya to think for yourself and not let anybody use you, then Meetra Surik bumbles blindly after Revan. This, even though as of 2 they were basically equals (the both commanded fleets) and implied to not even get along all that well, since Revan sends the Exile to die over Malachor 5.
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>hope you gave Atton some good weapons, good luck Anon!
>don't level up or equip Bao-Dur the entire story
>hard locked out of the last 5% of the game
Thanks Obsidian.
I just don't like it because
1: Its themes are completely antithetical to Star Wars because Avellone is a seething gay who needs to take steaming shits over Star Wars, Fallout, any IP he gets his hands on
2: The game is incredibly unfinished, even with content restoration mods it's nowhere near a polished experience.
3: The content that is there isn't all great - Paragus, Telos, Dantooine, Korriban, and the endgame all really suck.
>Its themes are completely antithetical to Star Wars
How?
>the Jedi are evil
>doing the right thing is evil
>the Force itself is evil
The Force is inherently good, the Dark Side is inherently evil, there is such a thing as objective white and black, that's what Star Wars is.
Boring, similar maps to KotOR I and almost every NPC interaction is
>"man I hate those Jedi"
>nooooooo you can't hate the Jedi they did nothing wrong!
>or
>yeah frick those guys
>The Force is inherently good, the Dark Side is inherently evil, there is such a thing as objective white and black, that's what Star Wars is.
Yeah, that's not a theme, and you're just an idiot because Kotor 2 ends with the Force winning and the Dark Side remaining evil. Just for a quick test, what do you think is the theme of Star Wars?
Bro
Good vs Evil is THE theme of Star Wars
https://www.farfarawaynews.com/2020/03/14/light-dark-balance-in-the-words-of-george-lucas/
https://billmoyers.com/content/mythology-of-star-wars-george-lucas/
Saying "lol good is also evil' is NOT in line with Star Wars at all.
>Good vs Evil is THE theme of Star Wars
No, that's the central conflict, not *the* theme of Star Wars. Also that clip with Lucas doesn't have him say that Star Wars' main theme is good vs evil. You might as well have said that Star Wars' main theme is mythology. Again, I don't think you understand what is a theme, so you'll have to do a little better than that.
>No, that's the central conflict, not *the* theme of Star Wars
Wrong
I'll give you a hint.
%D6%B4
And just for an additional push, I'll have this:
They [the Jedi] trained more than anything else to understand the transitional nature of life, that things are constantly changing and you can't hold on to anything. You can love things but you can't be attached to them. You must be willing to let the flow of life and the flow of the Force move through your life, move through you. So that you can be compassionate and loving and caring, but not be possessive and grabbing and holding on to things and trying to keep things the way they are. Letting go is the central theme of the film.
>posts non-canon shit that isn't even Star Wars
You can just stop replying. You don't need to resort to cartoons to try to 'prove me wrong'.
>the main movies is non-canon
lmao
>cartoons are movies now
LOL!
You’re the biggest moron.
That's like saying Lord of the Rings is about Good vs Evil. While true, it misses the essence. Good in Star Wars is the self acquiring inner peace, and Evil is succumbing to the self as a corrupting influence.
Hey Rika how's your little sister doing
What's wrong with Dantooine?
>Its themes are completely antithetical to Star Wars
Because the issues of Jedi hypocrisy, political corruption, the strong temptations of the Dark Side, the horrors of war and the flaws blind acceptance of dogmatic ideologies TOTALLY wasn’t explored in pic related, right?
They were explored without resorting to
>the Jedi are evil
>doing the right thing is evil
>the Force is evil
The prequels are well-written by the man who created and loved Star Wars, don't you dare compare them to KotOR II
>being so autistic that you think I was talking about KotOR II there
You're a moron Black person lol
>The prequels are well-written
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>The Force is inherently good, the Dark Side is inherently evil, there is such a thing as objective white and black, that's what Star Wars is.
Yeah, that's not a theme, and you're just an idiot because Kotor 2 ends with the Force winning and the Dark Side remaining evil. Just for a quick test, what do you think is the theme of Star Wars? (You)
so autistic that you think I was talking about KotOR II there
>talking about Avellone
>not talking about Kotor 2
See
and ?????
'The Force is inherently good' isn't part of KotOR II at all, you have to be a fricking psycho to think me saying that was in reference to it and not the rest of Star Wars
At no point does KOTOR 2 say that the Jedi are evil or that doing the right thing is wrong. It just asks you to have reasons behind your decision rather than “I’ll do the good thing because I’m a Jedi” or “I’ll do the bad thing because I’m a Sith”. The idea is both the Jedi and Sith are flawed and only human.
Yet Avellone's mouthpiece relentlessly pesters you for mere acts of charity
> It just asks you to have reasons behind your decision rather than “I’ll do the good thing because I’m a Jedi” or “I’ll do the bad thing because I’m a Sith”.
Which is antithetical to Star Wars.
>which is antithetical to star wars
Its almost as if the game is a deconstruction of those tropes
Why is it that in almost every other case, this sort of subversive "that thing you like is actually bad!" schtick is met with hate and derision, but for KotOR II it instead receives praise? Hell, it makes a lot of the same mistakes as The Last Jedi did, but receives a fraction of the fanbase's contempt.
IT does what The Last Jedi wanted to, but couldnt. And it doesn't only critique Star Wars, it gives you the option to argue for its sake and to disagree with Kreia, which in the end she says she respects.
It's only met with derision if you do it badly.
People didn't like TLJ because the execution was awful, people like Kotor 2 because it directly challenges your choices via critical dialogue from Kreia and has really strong writing in general, like the whole exchange with Atris on Telos. Hell people loved Evangelion and that too was a deconstruction of mecha anime tropes, it just depends on how the deconstruction is done and if your audience is a bunch of midwits. Kotor 2 being a PnP ruleset RPG filters out the brainless casuals who go to see the films in droves, so seeing their views of the force be directly challenged by someone was likely refreshing and gave them things to consider for the setting.
Kreia herself was also deliberately made as a flawed character yet for some reason people act like she was the developer's mouthpiece.
BE ause they're whiny little b***hes.
I like the game but she basically is, but that doesn't mean they didn't write a character for her to have. Making the character who hates the force wholly dependant on it is good stuff though.
TLJ is a toddler with utter contempt for the universe wanting to prove that it's shit. Kotor 2 features a new villain who wants to challenge the binary system and respects the player to decide if she was right or wrong.
Star Wars sucks.
Star Wars is a grand artistic achievement that was unfortunately a victim of its own success. The OT was the pet project of an arthouse director that unexpectedly achieved mainstream success. Lucas was always focused on his vision though, so he continued to make his vision uncompromised with the Prequels and ended up filtering the mainstream audiences because it wasn’t an OT rehash. Then after the buyout, SW understandably lost its soul. Basically, they’re misunderstood films because normies can’t see past the window dressing of “cool laser swords and guns”.
It is a rehashing of the hero’s journey
Why do you think Luke saved Vader despite the Jedi Masters telling Luke he was beyond saving? Simply because he was a Jedi or because he loved his father? Similarly, why do think Anakin turned to the dark side? Because he wanted to be evil for evil’s sake or because he wanted to save his wife?
At any rate, Lucas always maintained that the main themes of Star Wars were generational differences and family anyway.
All of those gaps could have been solved if the game didn’t railroad you so hard after the Rebuilt Enclave. You should have had time on The Ebon Hawk in between The Ravager and Malachor to talk to your party members before the crash.
>Simply because he was a Jedi
This one
Filtered.
they're both comfy replayable games but kotor 1 just has less meat on the bone after the initial wow factor wears off, while kotor 2 almost gets better the more you play it
replying kotor 1 also constantly has me thinking
>I gotta save my levels for when I become a Jedi
at the start of it, even when doing so is mostly pointless for minmaxing and actively detrimental to your ability to play Taris
>The prequels are well-written
this meme will never ever stick you fricking homo. the prequels and sequels are both shit and you should frick off back to Ganker
The prequels are a shame because they could've been really good, the premise in itself is a strong one but Lucas can't write characters for shit.
>the Jedi are evil
They are, as depicted in the movies.
>doing the right thing is evil
You've fundamentally misunderstood the point that Kreia was trying to make, but Kreia is a libertarian witch (evil).
>the force is evil
Again, this is already the case in Star Wars.
"There are heroes on both sides, evil is everywhere".
This line is absolutely crucial to understanding star wars, and is the most succinct explanation to how the dark side works.
I doubt people can identify the themes of either Kotor 1 or 2.
i don't hate it but if you think it's better than 1 or even just has a great story in its own right then you ARE a pretentious, self-fellating, pseudointellectual homosexual
I was never able to finish it as a kid. Had the Xbox version and got pretty deep into it until I hit a point on Dantooine(I think) where there was a huge battle, but for some reason the animations broke making everyone permanently T-pose wherever I went.
Why did Revan have Revan robes before entering the Dantooine star map place if the Revan robes are later revealed to come from the Star Forge??
>revealed
I think the Star Forge is just capable of recreating the robes.
A lot of people compare KOTOR 2 to TLJ, and they're wrong to do so.
Jake's ramble about "powerful light, powerful dark" in TLJ is only superficially similar to KOTOR 2's themes of give and take.
KOTOR 2, released in 2004, was like a primer for Episode 3.
Why did the Jedi order collapse? Because of the Jedi civil war, which is actually because of the Mandalorian Wars.
Kreia, who fought in both, challenges you to determine why.
Her answer, which falls in line with GOTO's questline, and the Telos subplot, is that the Jedi 's existence has to be distinct from the Republic. Reliance on the Jedi led to a stagnant republic, which the Mandalorians capitalized on to invade.
The Republic, completely unable to muster a defence for the outer rim, calls upon the Jedi to lead their armies.
I'm essence, peacekeepers become soldiers.
Does that sound familiar? Because it's just The Clone Wars. History repeats cyclically. Kreia talks about seeing visions of that I'm the future, and how answering the call to war will 100% bring about the downfall of the Jedi. She spends the whole game poking holes in the hypocrisy of a peacekeeping force swooping in and selectively distributing justice
Glad someone else gets it. Watching the movies in chronological order after playing KOTOR 2 is like watching Kriea’s predictions come true.
Thank God someone understands. How hard is it to figure out that the saga that ends with the hero casting his weapon aside is profoundly anti-war
Luke doesn't toss his weapon at the end of RotJ, anon.
>You've failed, Your Highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me
What does Luke do in this scene?
What does he do in the climax? We're talking about the end, anon. Climaxes aren't ends. He weaponizes Vader in the climax though, since you're asking.
Split more hairs.
He doesn't "weaponize" Vader, he knows that DS 2 is about to get blown up, him, palps, and his dad along with it, so he refuses to dance for sheev's amusement.
Vader saving him was not part of his plan at that point, just a happy ending.
He came there for the sole purpose of bringing his dad back to the light side anon.
>Luke doesn't toss his weapon at the end of RotJ, anon.
He literally does though.
Parts of a story, learn them.
He LITERALLY does throw it away though, after beating down Vader.
Vader becomes his weapon and while climaxes are towards the end, they are not the end.
Are you a bot?
>yeah Luke totally threw away his saber because he knew Vader would throw the emperor down a big hole
The only reason he was there was to turn Vader, anon. He wasn't gonna sword fight with thim.
>He wasn't gonna sword fight with thim.
He did sword fight with him though. And it's not like he knew Vader was even going to be there when the mission started.
and then he was like naw. There's no reason for him to be there if not to turn vader.
To blow up the Death Star? He was obviously going to be there whether or not Vader was there.
Luke didn't have anything to do with blowing up the death star. Endor team got the shields, Lando and Nien-nunb were leading the blow up the death star team. Luke was the get dad back team.
He was going to help blow it up before he found out Vader was there.
Help blow it up on Endor. Not help blow it up inside of it. Are you pretending to be a fool?
Are you? The point is he didn't have some master plan to have Vader kill the emperor for him.
And yet he still did.
Star Wars peaked here.
For me it's
and https://youtu.be/64-3talVkUA
I miss when I could turn on the T.V. and be spoiled by the lineup of shows to watch during the day. If I were to turn it on now it'd be Teen Titans Go, Steven Universe, Gumball. I almost feel bad for kids.
>Wait a minute, let me get this straight. You *LOST* your lightsaber? I mean, isn't that a violation of some kind of Jedi code or something?
but new vegas is shit and hl2 was always overrated
kotor 2 on the other hand is decent
what are you on about?
This shitheap has been hated since the very day it released. Frick off, zoomer.
Literally not the case, stop trying to rewrite history just because your underdeveloped mind can't deal with playing a game older than yourself
Was it ever explained how Darth Bandon survived?
He hopped out a window and Leia'd his way back to his ship
Got fricking damn do I hate that spherical headed c**t.
The reception of KotOR2 was always split.
t. KotOR 2 liker
The reading and listening comprehension skills of most "gamers", Gankerirgins included, are so embarrassingly poor you really can't expect them to ever enjoy a wordier game over something more simple and cookie cutter, even if the quality of the writing in the former game is middling by any standard of film, or god forbid, literature.
KOTOR II is absolute shit just like New Vegas. Oh wow, they were made by the same developer? What a coincidence.
I don't hate it but it's unfinished and contains a lot of moronic characters dialogs and situations.
It's very silly at times and almost feels like bad fan fiction. kreia is moronic, the planet eating isth is moronic, the corpse kept alive by anger is bordering on moronic, many dialogs with kreia can only appear smart to morons but on other hands pure pazaak guy has a cool background some quests have a satisfying amount of options.
It's a mixed bag really, but the fanatics praising it as some kind of master piece which shits on the first one are deluded morons.
>the planet eating isth is moronic, the corpse kept alive by anger is bordering on moronic
I don't really get why people always get so pissy about Force OPness. The Force is literally infinite and can do practically anything, that's core to what it is.
Yeah no, that's fanfic garbage. The canon is the movies and in the movies the most powerful jedi(s) struggle to move a small fighter and the most powerful sith does a bit of lightning and has to build a gigantic moon sized weapon to destroy a planet.
Mask dude is trolol anime-tier.
What part of "size matters not" do you not understand?
What part of moronic fanfic do you not understand?
George literally wrote it in to the original movies.
Proof star wars fans are fricking moronic. Yoda was talking about his size, not the size of whatever he's moving you goddamn dimwit.
>Yoda was talking about his size, not the size of whatever he's moving you goddamn dimwit.
>Luke says his X-Wing is just too fricking big and he can't move it
>Yoda moves it and says size matters not
>"He was totally talking about his own small stature and not the fricking starship he moved"
I refuse to believe anybody can be this stupid. When Vader says that the power to destroy a planet is insignificant to the power of the Force, what was he talking about there then?
Don't be a moronic Black person, if size didn't matter yoda would have crashed the death star by himself and sidious never even needed a death star
have a nice day
No that's vidya star wars.
The Death Star was a symbol of the power of the empire as a whole. The emperor can't serve that role because he's a single individual, and Yoda couldn't do anything because he was a symbol of the corrupt Jedi order and the decrepit Republic that had come before.
Mask guy is a scale you never really want to go to, but KOTOR 2 does it well. He has lost all agency and is more dark side elemental than anything else. Seeking absolute freedom through malevolence has made him a slave to himself. The problem is that he didn't NEED to be a planet eating Sith and killing him no matter what would feel like a cop-out. Not to mention at his level it's really hard to feel his presence since you're basically a microorganism to him.
Pretty sure Yoda only struggled because he's literally an old man on deaths door. Luke was nowhere near the most powerful and was pretty much a novice throughout all three films.
I really want to like it but even with the restored content mod it's such a fricking mess.
KOTOR I is cliched and boring but at least it just works
It’s a legitimately great game that has some bad flaws at the same time. Good games for comparison are like VtMB, and Alpha Protocol
New Vegas is better than FO3
KOTOR 2 is better than 1
Obsidian is better than BioWare and Bethesda
It’s literally that simple.
Only when producing sequels to other developers games it seems
Nobody cares about PoE Tyranny or Outer Worlds
PoE and Tyranny both are solid CRPGs.
I agree, but you don't see threads about them as often do you?
The fact that they retconned it so that the female play thru is canon is the worst part of KOTOR2. Only the male story is good, and they only made the female story canon, because Revan was made canon male in the first one.
the "canon" doesn't matter, Disney nuked old EU canon so kotor2 canon Exile can be whatever you want
The Exile's penis is absolutely fricking irrelevant in the shadow of all the other important character details being retconned.
>caring about EU canon
EU canon is so superior to nucanon that it isn't even funny.
>"Half Life 2 was never good!"
That's true though, even if KOTORII and NV are greats.
>unfinished buggy messes are great because expensive actors read paragraphs of pseud drivel
The problem is people putting these games on pedestals as if they're worthy of it. New Vegas was better than fallout 3 (but not that much more and it's such a low bar why would you even bother), same goes for this. Yeah they were okay. That's all. The only thing keeping this 18 year old game relevant is fanwank.
I played both of these on release and always preferred the first. Both are great games though. I don't really get how someone can enjoy one and not the other. That seems like a counterfeit opinion to hold.
Anyone ever played a blaster-Jedi?
Is it viable?
In 1 or 2?
Two blasters+force speed and the blaster shot deflection power are viable yes. Especially if you go for upgraded Mandalorian Disintegrators.
Either or. It's a play style I never tried at the time because Lightsabers and Force powers just raped everything, but I was interested in its' viability.
blaster is already the most OP class in 1 or 2. why would you even need to be jedi? I guess if you add force storm to blaster you would be literally unstoppable
KOTOR2 is hated by fans because the fans hate the star wars movies and it is closest to the movies in terms of what themes it explores, and borrows heavily from the Prequels.
At its core it's a game about exploring what a bunch of idiotic, hypocritical, evil bastards the Jedi and what an unjust system the republic is, and the fans quite like the Jedi and the republic.
I like it
reminder that all kreia's justifications are bullshit and she simply uses your status as a "wound in the force" to kill her enemies
is that why she has you kill her too?
how come the xbox version of this game seems to have stronger lighting compared to any other version?
obviously the video is low quality but the red floor beneath kreia is much brighter and seems to cast a glow on her
indignities