Is he a rival, a champion and an evil team leader at the same time?

Is he a rival, a champion and an evil team leader at the same time?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, even Unova's human characters are optimized with role compression.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Kanto did it first and did it better.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >rival
    Entire arc is him competing with the player over whether his beliefs are right, so technically
    >champion
    Beat E4 and Alder, so technically
    >evil team leader
    Pawn of Ghetsis but was the figurehead, so technically

    He’s all of these roles and none of them at the same time.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't played the game in over a decade. Was there any particular reason why he focused 100% of his autism on the player? Was he just squatting in the bushes waiting for the first zero badge shitter to make into his arch-nemesis?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He could hear the voices of Pokemon, he believed that all Pokemon wanted to be free but found it strange that the Player's pokemon apparently was happy to be in a pokeball and owned by the trainer so N battles the player repeatedly to know more about why your pokemon like being with you so much and dont want to be released. It challenges the belief Ghetsis instilled in him that Pokemon hate being confined to pokeballs and owned.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Ah, that makes more sense, thank you. That said, I know he didn't spend much time around people before the game's story, but it's still kinda alarming if that was the first time he noticed pokemon that were happy in captivity. I mean, at that point the player had been a trainer for what, a day? Like, dude, if that's the only promising case you can find when you travel through a bunch of towns, then perhaps there was some truth to those beliefs instilled in you.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            N doesn't really start focusing in on you until you have a few badges / have conflict with Team Plasma a couple of times from what I recall. When he first meets you in the town after Nuvema, he's basically just shooting the shit.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >then perhaps there was some truth to those beliefs instilled in you.
            Also, that's the point of the conflict with N. That the player alone is not sufficient to upheave these beliefs, although they do present a quandry. He leaves at the end of the game to "find the truth" iirc, even if it's framed more like finding himself, these ideals are part of his identity. DID YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Because your Pokemon like you, and he's never met anyone with Pokemon who like them before you because Ghetsis deliberately groomed him and only let him interact with abused Pokemon.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He's definitely a rival, there's no technicality behind that, unless your definition of rival is that they begin their journey at relatively the same time as you or they have a Laboratory starter. N is THE rival, moreso than Bianca or even Cheren.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >they begin their journey at relatively the same time as you or they have a Laboratory starter
        I mean, yeah, either of those are kinda needed for someone to be considered a "rival". Just because you fight N mutiple times through the game doesn't make him a rival. Are the evil team bosses also your rivals because you fight them more than once?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He's someone diametrically opposed to you, also working toward overcoming the Pokemon League. He uses the Box Legendary opposite to your own.
          >a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity.
          This is the dictionary definition of a rival. It fits Cheren a little better when you discount that N is taking on the Pokemon League much like you. At which point, it fits both of them.

          > Are the evil team bosses also your rivals because you fight them more than once?
          Nah, but nobody is set aside as your equal and opposite quite as much as N. Giovanni comes close if you follow the dictionary definition, as he is allegedly the self-proclaimed strongest trainer, but even then, he's not really a rival. His aim is to take over the country with C A S H.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wish I was able to rebattle him in bw
    They saved that for the sequel where he gets 4 different teams focused on weather

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Will he ever be able solve it

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He’s a rival, a Champion, and an evil team leader. He starts as a rival, becomes a Champion, and then becomes an evil team leader. Did you pay attention to the story, anon?

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >morons ITT think n was actually the ruler of team plasma
    N was a figurehead who held no real power. Ghetsis was pulling the strings the whole time.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He's still the king, even if Ghetsis is pulling the strings. Do you think Lusamine is the leader of Team Skull, because she manipulates Guzma?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Are you seriously moronic? Ghetsis was very obviously leading Team Plasma more than N ever did. And what little was asked of them by N was ALL part of Ghetsis stupid plan anyway.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Masters considers him a rival and villain(evil team in the Japanese version) but not champion

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I guess he's technically not an official champion because he never registered in the Hall of Fame.
      BW doesn't consider beating N a Hall of fame victory either.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I think you're not considered champion unless you stick around to defend the title. It's why Lance is champion in GSC. Even though Red and Blue beat him, they didn't stick around.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No, plenty of games call you a champion even if you're not the one at the league like in gen 7.
          Anyone in the Hall of Fame is a champion in perpetuity. Which makes Blue's reaction to losing kind of melodramatic.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He barely got to enjoy being THE champion before Red kicked his ass.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Oddly enough, he's an opponent in Victory Road with other Champions.
      You'd think they would put someone like Alder or Iris instead, but they chose N.

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