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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Liking tweets
    Oof

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >words words words
    not reading that famalam

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      you may have dyslexia

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dyslexia or sub-saharan genetics. "famalam" incidates the latter.

        Szymanski is of course correct. The drive to remove player choice and communication in order to control every millisecond of gameplay and time is obnoxious and sucks the fun out of online gaming completely.
        They try and replace it with an empty "community" that exists only as a collection of people who bought the same product. But it allows the npcs to think they belong to something, so they defend it and speak about it as if it's meaningful or has any bearing on anything at all.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        you have nosexia

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          frickin gottem

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      imagine coming to a discussion board and proudly refusing to read. what a fricking buffoon

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >imagine coming to a discussion board and proudly refusing to read. what a fricking buffoon
        /v/

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Couldn't even have Medics in multiplayer because it wasn't balanced
        I never played anything after WOL. Don't even get me started on that campaign

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        not reading all that
        congrats or sorry it happened though

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >imageboard
        >wall of text posted as an "image"

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >wall of text
          No, you're just an illiterate Black person

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >refusing to read
          Gay
          >refusing to read some homosexual twitter post
          based.

          Imagine coming to a website just to talk about what someone else said on another website. Take your twitter screencaps and frick off and talk on twitter.

          Based, twitter gays btfo

          All these threads are just twitter screencaps of some literal who posting their takes and OP doesn't even expound or elaborate and just adds some boring caption like
          >is he right
          like a drooling homosexual who can't even think for himself

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >some literal who
            dumb moron

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              he doesn't even make games anymore
              why should I care about his opinions
              same opinions I could make by myself by the way
              I would've sincerely cared and even engaged with the discussion if OP himself just copy pasted whatever he said since I wouldn't even know that it came from a twittergay

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >refusing to read
        Gay
        >refusing to read some homosexual twitter post
        based.

        Imagine coming to a website just to talk about what someone else said on another website. Take your twitter screencaps and frick off and talk on twitter.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes I refuse to read shit posted on Twitter.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >imagine coming to a discussion board and proudly refusing to read. what a fricking buffoon
        Sounds like the average Gankertard to me.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're the kind of moronic cum guzzling esports homosexual he is referring to.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Behold the zoomer.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not a zoomer; but a conzoomer.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't heard anybody use the word "famalam" for two straight years

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Man, young person illiteracy is a serious issue

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's three sentences you illiterate moron

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >not reading that famalam
      why are you on a forum then you dumb Black person

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      post hand now

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're reading all of these replies, homosexual. kek

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        You bet i do

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based, twitter gays btfo

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Frfr old men need to just say everything in a single long run on sentence because my rapid-fire adhd brain doesn't have the time to process periods and whole ass sentences with defined subjects and complete thoughs because all my media intake is instantaneous dopamine and faster than light loading times bro like words are hard bro and nobody has time to bother to understand them unless its to make fun of someone or screenie their ass to ruin theirnl life later no cap

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kek. Zoomers cant handle reading more than 2 sentences. It's why they say shit like fr fr or ong. They have to abbreviate everything due to their adhd riddled social media broken brains

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine trying to teach gen A or Zoomerd man. It's a literal hellscape of trying to fix the fricked wiring shitty iPad parenting caused during formative years. You would think these kids would flock to old boomershooters with all the spastic jumping and tryhard 1000000dpi mouse flicking

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            they just want them in the modern popular shooters they're used to playing.

            Look at the funny seethe over the guy playing battlebit in a very twitchy way dodging all the bullets a few months ago stunting on boomers. Man is living his best life

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Zoomers are a broken generation. It will be interesting to see what is going to happen in 10 years. I predict mass shootings from zoomers killing everyone because they basically went crazy

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You would think these kids would flock to old boomershooters with all the spastic jumping and tryhard 1000000dpi mouse flicking
            What is Fortnite, boomer?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      All the anons getting mad at this post are the same people that say "Leftist meme" to every picture that's more than 6 words.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >words words words
      i aint readin that shi cuh frfr

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I asked ChatGPT to summarize into 1 sentence. Here is the result:

      "The author argues that FPS multiplayer reached its zenith in the mid-2000s with Source games, characterized by chaotic and unconventional server experiences, but contends that the subsequent influence of esports, competitive rankings, and restrictions on player interaction led to a decline in the overall enjoyment of multiplayer gaming."

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >summarize
        >just creates a giant run-on sentence by concatenating 80% of the text content

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >peak was when I was a teenager or kid

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >he thinks the peak was in 2010 when he was a kid
      literally a dead decade

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes. the demons of babylon stole our multiplayer future from us so they could sell it to zoomers. Locally hosted, locally ran multiplayer is pure and precious.

      have a nice day moron. forced matchmaking, official maps only is cancer.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      be respectful, this is duskdude, ironlungdude and pole

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        In fairness, Iron Lung was shit, but I do respect his title as duskdude.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. This is why TF2 keeps setting new concurrent player records in 2023 despite being a "dead" game. It's the last vestige of that chaotic pub server culture that was the default in the late 90s and early 2000s.

    As usual, consoles ruined everything.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Team Fortress 2 started the nonsense with cosmetic items and ingame real money stores in a, at the time, non-F2P game.
      There is a reason why only mentally ill furries still play that game

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Confusing the game design of casual lobbies vs competitive game modes with the monetisation of games
        You should read what you're replying to at least, anon.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're moronic. I'm seeing more and more transexual hate. Conscientious objector TF2 stream sniping. People talking shit to each other. The furries stay on their shitty custom servers. Official servers are filled with buttholes and its great.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          good

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Bots and AFK players farming hats
      Literally fake playercount because nobody is actually "playing" the game.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I can still find full community servers with all real players, unlike any other 90s/2000s FPS which have all pretty much completely died outside of maybe a handful of try hard autists who refuse to give it up.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          CS2 is literally just the latest patch for a 1998 game.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            How fricking dare you disrespect 1.6 like that.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              1.5 was better.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            CS2 is full of try hards thinking they can make it big in esports.
            It's literally a "no fun allowed" type of game. Can't even micspam or spray porn on the walls anymore and nobody bothers to chat. They even removed the ability to voice chat after matches.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >It's literally a "no fun allowed" type of game
              Maybe people just have fun with different things than you, actually enjoy competition, and the game isn't for you?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's a million choices for games for compgays.
                This thread is about how the oldschool type of FPS, where you can have fun without getting banned (often automatically by a bot), no longer exist.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >This thread is about how the oldschool type of FPS
                Yes, by stating that it was the peak of MP, MP was ruined when something different came along, and everybody else is now having fun the wrong way.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's 2023 anon. No one has AFK farmed for hats in over a decade.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. This is why TF2 keeps setting new concurrent player records in 2023 despite being a "dead" game. It's the last vestige of that chaotic pub server culture that was the default in the late 90s and early 2000s.

          As usual, consoles ruined everything.

          lol, just lmao

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >valve's stats are wrong because they just are
            >our stats are correct because they just are
            >just ignore that our numbers don't add up at all!

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              compare the graph to any other game and it's clear the 100k is artificial

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            aren't tf2 gays constantly complaining that 80% of the players are bots and valve does nothing about it?

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >80%
              I got back into TF2 like a week ago and the bot problem is extremely overstated. They're easy to identify and everyone knows how to kick them, the only problem is that there are a lot of them so new bots can keep joining until a human shows up to fill the player slot. I think the most I've ever seen in one match is 6 throughout the course of one match, but none of them lasted more than 30 seconds on the server. The majority of matches have no bots.
              Alternatively just use the server browser. The bots don't join community servers.
              >Valve does nothing about it
              This is correct though

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >currently 80,000 players online according to steamstats
            >this pic says there are 600 bots in occupied servers
            why do you keep posting this as proof that tf2 is filled with bots. this picture effectively disproves your point you fricking moron.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              because it doesn't count for bots idling on the main menu moron

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's because its F2P and brazil and moscow exists, you dumb Black person.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day moron you don't know shit and have a shit colored merc badge

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's spitting facts of fire though fr fr no cap

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yep

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Bass boosted Black person music

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      > russian hip hop
      > Black person
      Rent free zoomer.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        you can argue that all hip hop is Black personish and I'm pretty sure it became popular in ruskieland because they were listening to the american hiphop first

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, Black person music is Black person music even if made by slavs.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're going to be very upset when you find out who created the genres of music you like.
          Not me, though. For me, good music ended when the 20th century began.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Russians are Black folks, don't let the skin color deceive you.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        russian hip hop is worse than Black person music because it's white Black person music trying to sound like the american Black person music

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        russians are snowBlacks

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        russia is nigeria with snow

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry, zigger.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Rent free
        really tired of people ruining words/phrases like this
        i miss when words like cuck, cope and simp actually meant something

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >remember when simp actually meant something
          It was always a meme word, zoom zoom

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It basically just refers to orbiters, nothing new

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >i miss when words like cuck, cope and simp actually meant something
          Yeah? What different dimension was that? You moronic homosexual.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        hip hop is literally Black person music

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      NOWIT'STIMETOPARTYANDWE'LLPARTYHARD
      BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      LET'SGETmoronicINHERE
      LET'SGETmoronicINHERE
      LET'SGETmoronicINHERE
      LET'SGETmoronicINHERE

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous
  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >matchmaking
    >preventing people interacting
    yeap

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Matchmaking, SBM, ranked etc kills any semblance of community by making players focused with meaningless grinding for ranks and shit and by making you leave for another patch with other players instead of becoming familiar with the people you play with in a lobby for hours.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    E-Sports are 100% AIDS. But Fortnite is unironically one of the best multiplayer games ever made, and you can interact with other players all day in it if you wanted to.

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Partly, the death of community servers and the rise of matchmaking is also to blame.

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely miss Xbox360 CoD/Halo lobbies where everyone had a mic

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone still has a mic in CoD lobbies. They also have death mics so you get to hear them talking for a moment right after you kill them and crossplay with PS5 where a lot of consolegays are too stupid to turn off the built-in mic. It's great. Unironically makes me feel better about giving these lazy israelites money whenever I hear some Black person scream 'ARE YOU KIDDING ME' into his controller.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I played Black Ops Cold War on the SeX a while ago and almost no one had mics 🙁

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh yeah, I felt like Cold War didn't have nearly as many but both MWs did. My friend loves riling morons up and he was always disappointed in CW because people rarely had mics and were usually a lot quicker to just mute him. Cold War may have filtered the sub-90 IQ demographic.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's because nobody wants to play CW

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not entirely
    Keeping players from interacting with each other WAS THE REASON it worked, and now it's the opposite.
    Focus on competition and rank made everyone a chimp that started insulting others when something doesn't go their way.
    In the past either nobody talked, or you could safely ignore it, or you were in a cybercafe with your pals banting, now everyone reports you if you play the best way possible: in autist mode.

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I never saw a single not based take from this guy. And he pissed Timmy and ESG chinks so he's ok in my book.

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Somewhat, yes. The rules and artificial barriers placed between players, the lack of being able to choose who you play with and how, it all "killed" the fun.
    Oh well. BUILD IT AGAIN, JERRY!

  20. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    TF2 is still going strong despite being neglected and plagued with bots.
    Even going back to it now is a ton of fun and entertaining.

    Pretty much every other game is "Safe" for users but ends up with such hostile player bases that the game where people screaming "Black person" is more welcoming.

  21. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  22. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
  23. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    he's right but absolutely not mid 2000s
    try late 90s and early 00s

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >playing with frickheads on dial-up
      >peak
      No

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        NTA, but probably referring to local co-op/deathmatch on console or LAN parties.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Peak modability was early and mid 2000. Late 90s it's just quake with a handful of mods. The awesome HL mods were early 2000 and it kept ramping up with cs, HL2 and UT2004

  24. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Just another jaded boomer seething about modern games without ever trying to get into any of them properly. Every multiplayer game has learning curve before it gets fun. I used to play nothing but CSGO for years then Fortnite came out I tried it and hated it immediately. I didn't understand the game and I was getting rolled by everyone. My ego was shuttered because I considered myself good at shooters up to that point. I kept playing not because the game was good but because I wanted to figured it out. And when I finally started winning it got fun and that just opened my mind to give a chance and some time to new games. Nowadays I play Apex and OW2, waiting for The Finals and just got back into CS2.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      You've never experienced anything close to what OP posted.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Have you even played an FPS game that wasn't based on match making?

        Oh please I'm on PC with internet since 2001 and have been hanging out in internet cafes before that.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Oh please I'm on PC with internet since 2001
          >but also i think fortnite is a good comparison for this
          Obvious bollocks

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Nooo you should've follow 4chin herd and hate Fortnite with us how dare you ever getting out the line? That's it. You are a ZOOMER homosexual.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              I didn't say anything like that. It wasn't even implied.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Oh please
          >CSGO
          >Boomers
          You were born in 2005. Frick off, you moronic little homosexual.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have you even played an FPS game that wasn't based on match making?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I tried really really hard and studied and practiced and finally I could play fortnite.
      Get a load of this homosexual!

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he never played it before they removed building

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Apex ruined my aim. BR games are too passive and every weapon behaves like a mess on mouse.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and I tried OW for a bit and concluded that no amount of playing would make me get into it really. The game has so many no fun allowed mechanics and design choices that I'm amazed it even lived for as long as it did
      >No casual lobby means you can't frick around for hours while trying to figure out your character
      >Matches designed to be fast-paced and decisive, in other words just short before you're thrown into some queue again
      >Map design is just chokepoint heaven, making some matches nothing but a pain in the ass
      >Add some crowd control for good measure cause why not. I sure love not playing for a few seconds cause Mei erected a wall or I got stunned
      >Speed and size of character in combination with huge hit and hurtboxes means it's incredibly easy to get hit or hard to dodge
      >All characters come with I win buttons that can likely kill you, some even being auto-aim
      Probably some more stuff that I forgot after so many years, but my point stands.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >No casual lobby means you can't frick around for hours while trying to figure out your character
        Training area? Deathmatch? Skirmish? No limits?
        >Speed and size of character in combination with huge hit and hurtboxes means it's incredibly easy to get hit or hard to dodge
        I fail to see how this one is a bad thing. Rein's hitbox may be big, but he has high health and a massive shield with 1000+ regenerating health. His hitbox being big is good for both enemy DPS but also for support allies healing him. The role of bigger tanks is to get in the way and purposefully block fire from reaching allies. Likewise, supports are usually smaller because they're meant to be elusive or everyone would target them and matches would end even faster.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mind you, I've played many years ago, so I'm not sure if those modes even existed back then.

          And no, I'm not talking about tanks taking up huge parts of the screen because their tanks. I'm talking about hurtboxes being way bigger than models and also characters generally taking up more space on the screen than in tf2 for example.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      So games aren't fun unless you win? Jfc it must suck being a tryhard zoomer homosexual lmao

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >nice pasta

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is modern fps AAA comp games make moronic decisions like apex catering to consoleBlack folk completely ruining the PC experience

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that any competitive FPS game has "aim-assist" is a joke.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have coped very long with Apex and movement but then when I watch a really good gamepad player play it's just like watching a cheater.... the guy gets 2k dmg easy, 3k not too uncommon and multiple 4k games a day. All while having no movement. And yes that guy was really good player but still there is nobody who can pull that with a mouse.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are you a moron that can't read, and are all the replies to this post just you? You and the other morons (if they aren't just you samegayging) utterly missed the point of David's message. It's about the loss of freedom with server hosting and being able to make custom content. And then on top of that, trying to "fight toxicity" by disabling friends lists, private messages, or even being able to talk to other players in game ( "the obsession with keeping players from interacting with one another "). It was not about "new games too hard" you god damn third world spaz.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That doesn't make those old boomer shooters any better compared to new games. In a way I prefer modern gameplay > social features

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Be a moron.
          >Prefer "modern gameplay" of incentivizing you to buy MTX
          >Don't care about the multi'player' aspect of their online only skinner boxes.
          At the very least, you understand what you're enjoying and you're happy with it. You're a true genus compared to everyone else who plays the same games (and also buys the mtx in them) while claiming they want boomer shooters to be the thing current thing again. Keep on keeping on.
          I am just bitter there aren't any that appeal to me. Chivalry 2 gets close though. And Zombie Escape was my favorite game mode of all time, and it's dead.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >No. Just another jaded boomer seething about modern games without ever trying to get into any of them properly.

      you are a moron and you should have a nice day. you know how some anons sperg out about player mods in games like skyrim? Custom avatars, custom weapons, custom everything? You USE to be able to do that in fps games as well.

      but when developers started forcing match-making and other assorted goyslop content, we lost those freedoms. They want you on THEIR servers playing THEIR maps so they can control you.

      >thats schitzo

      no, it's reality. At the start, just the existence of Dlc-only maps alone segregated playerbases, and through small changes over the years player run communities stopped being player ran and instead became corporate rate. From language policing, to thought controlling, they force everything in these new games. You play how THEY want you to play, so you will QUIT when they want you to QUIT so you will be forced to BUY the next game when they demand it.

  25. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's wrong, those kinds of games are dead because they were not popular enough, people enjoy competition more than "community".

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not true at all. Custom TF2 maps are infinitely more popular than the competitive scene

  26. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    its true the 'meta' is what killed online games

  27. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >32 player 24/7 Office map
    >Someone on T side buys the M249
    >unloads a billion bullets into filing cabinets to make barricades
    >Every round the winners rush outside to kill the snowmen
    I want to go back.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Clipping into the cabinets near T spawn after your entire team dies and jumping out when they give up looking for you and start leading the hostages

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Boosting to get into the dumpsters at CT spawn
        >spamming the vending machine over and over to fill the hallway with water bottles
        Modern counter strike is so anti fun man. Most props don't even have physics, and anywhere fun to boost is patched out.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >friday night fight club
      >everyone goes to backyard and 1v1 knife fights
      >when it gets down to 30 seconds, it turns into a gang fight
      I want to go home

  28. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Micspam is shit and always has been, thankfully mute exists.

  29. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nowhere is this more evident than RTS. The esports scene of StarCraft 2 completely killed the genre

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      there's a youtuber @T90Official that does AoE2 videos which includes relaxed casts of noob games - it's super wholesome. Stuff like that is what StarCraft 2 needs, a reason for noobs to feel accepted and that it adds to the fun.
      nobody wants to boot up a game just to get rolled by the lowest possible rank because only pros still play the game.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zerg rushing killed RTS

  30. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nah. Peak was a bit earlier, when people were playing Duke 3D or Quake 2 on local in internet cafes. And it has nothing to do with the fact that I'm probably older than this homosexual, whoever he is. It's an objective fact that the things I'm nostalgic over are superior.

  31. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, we "optimized" the fun out of multiplayer, everything is now designed to be as little actual interaction needed as possible. Not to mention you have a high chance to be banned if you say anything the Devs don't like.

  32. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    peak was SoFII 64 man maps and unreal instagib maps

  33. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, esports and meta culture they created ruined multiplayer fps games. Dont play like some streamer does, banned and exiled from the community. FPS meta shitheads are almost as bad as mmo

  34. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Those old ass CSS break the floor maps
    I miss them bros.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      For me it was surf maps

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        surely these still get traffic, there are many with avg players in server of 3 - 8. and people don't join servers with 0 players, they join whatever other players are in

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      SOUL

  35. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.
    >t. Competitivegay

  36. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >peaked mid 2000s
    >esports ruined games
    >what is street fighter, starcraft, warcraft, quake, counter-strike
    >old_man_yelling_at_cloud.png + it_will_happen_to_you_too.png

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >pretending any of those things are at all like modern e-sports
      Maybe starcraft but that was the dogeaters in asia.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        "Modern e-sports"? All this comes down to is "aaaargh stupid zoomers and normies bluuuaagrhhghgh".

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Old style lan tournaments are exactly the same as multimedia stadium events with livestreaming to ESPN.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            And how exactly do these affect You the person who never attends any of them? You even pulled out the equivalent of a troony card because you have no arguments.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Moves the goalposts to "HOW DOES THIS EFFECT YOU"
              The discussion we were having was if modern contemporary e sports are exactly the same as E-sports from 20-30 years ago. Which was your position.
              Shall I take this hysterical outburst as you ceding the point?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this thing didn't change anything but we are still going to make a shitstorm about it
                Mental illness. Just move onto politics already like the rest of you.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                What are you trying to pretend I am saying now?
                This is getting tiresome.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >starcraft
      SC2 was literally ruined by the e-sports mentality.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        And sc1 wasn't? You could make a study about this and it's easy to see that your age correlates with the point where it was ruined for YOU. Same with franchises. Or Wow expansions.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          SC1 custom maps were more popular than its competitive scene. SC1 was more of an esport in Korea.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          if anything sc1 is way less competitive now that streaming has infected the top players. No one practices any more, they just sit in lobbies like homosexuals and beg for money. if that's what you mean by "esports" then yes, sc1 has been ruined.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            And these people sitting in lobbies are you and the rest from playing the game in a "genuine and fun way"? Why can't you just admit it that you don't like something anymore.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              no i still play the game all the time and I don't watch streamers, I thought that you were arguing that esports somehow kills games??

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                No esports don't kill games. What kills games is trends and then the stupid sheep come crying that they don't have free will so it's not their fault.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            SC1 competitions are better now that the mindset of the players is less sweaty. The play is still very high level, but playing at a mere 99% skill instead of KeSPa stressing players into playing at 99.9% skill is far better for the players. Players still practice in a sense that they still play and think about the game a lot. You'd be able to tell if a player just didn't practice. Hell look at Jaedong, in his prime he'd be shredding these nerds apart but his time in the military has made him a Ro24 player.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              playing S rank players is still scary as frick, but when I watch asl games their builds are uninspired and people frick up their macro all the time, which ESPECIALLY given that hotkey rebinding is legal now is fricking hilarious when compared to kespa era games. From a build and technical stance they're better than their 2010 counterparts, I don't think JD or flash from back then would wipe up an ASL, but I think not having dedicated practice partners really fricks with the quality of their games. The fact of the matter is a team house can't keep up with the salary that streaming can, so they're not coming back. Esports is dead, it's all about begging for money now. not sure how it is in other games but for broodwar it's definitely that way

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >their builds are uninspired
                It's more that over time the best ways to play have become known so players sort of just gravitate towards them. If you want a player who does their own thing just watch Mini's games more. And as for fricking up macro literally nobody does that any more than they used to. In a long game it's inevitable, even Light can't keep it up that long. It's actually one of my biggest gripes about the game; sometimes it's not a question how well you did something, it's whether you even did it at all because the game is bombarding you with so many things that need doing.
                >I don't think JD or flash from back then would wipe up an ASL
                Go back a bunch of ASL seasons and it's literally Flash v everyone else. They changed the finals to Bo7 because they kept being too short an event because Flash kept winning them 3-0. Also if you don't know, before going to the military Flash rolled Random at an ASL. I think he finished 3rd. Artosis did his usual trick of hyping up Snow as the best Protoss in the world with the best PvP in the world, Flash rolled Protoss twice and beat him 2-0 lmao. Flash really was that good.
                >The fact of the matter is a team house can't keep up with the salary that streaming can, so they're not coming back. Esports is dead
                You don't even know what "esports" is. It's just a bunch of people that enjoy playing and watching a game. That's all. It fails with games like Overwatch because the games are just badly designed, ie there's no real depth to them. Games need both depth and to be just dumb fun at the same time. A good example of game that pulls it off really well is Rocket League, which is now 8 years old but still has huge player numbers. Rocket League's 24 hour player peak on Steam is 36k players despite not being available to buy on Steam for 3-4 years.

                The entire concept of "esports" is dumb anyway. People that watch football don't say they enjoy sports, they just say they enjoy the one game they enjoy.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A good example of game that pulls it off really well is Rocket League
                >get autobanned for using the in-game chats
                >get autobanned for abandoning casual matches
                >get autobanned for not playing well enough
                >get mass-reported if you use your mic at all
                Yeah, no. Rocket League is a terrible example. Fun is not allowed.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                You literally made all that shit up. Are you one of those kids who intentionally goes around being an butthole?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, I just suck at the game and got banned for 72 hours for being bad at it.
                Uninstalled and never going back.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm willing to bet you got a ban for spouting gamer words and being an abrasive homosexual. I recently came back to RL ranked after not playing for 3 years. Since then my controller has stick drift and a barely functioning left bumper. Turns out matchmaking doesn't lower your rank over time so I got dump straight back into champ 2 division 2. As a result I lost a bunch of matches. I didn't get banned or anything of that sort.

                You're just a fricking liar. Stop using online forums, you have nothing of worth to input.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >what a save!
                >what a save!
                >what a save!

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Spamming the preset chats is abusive.
                You probably did it when your teammate missed a save too.
                You deserved that ban.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Rocket League is the only good esports game homosexual. Git gud.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          The focus over competitive stuff instead of "just play the game" is ruining the games because people will start to play the game to "be the best that there ever was" instead of just have fun.

          Pretty much all the marketing is focused on that, which is pretty dumb. It creates anxiety on people and most just give up. For example the over obsession with statistics in SC2 lead for the devs to save every single win and defeat that you ever had in your account. You can't truncate it, you can't delete it. It's saved, forever, like it's a career of sorts. This kind of thinking makes a lot of players to stop playing it, it's not for fun anymore, it's for some stupid e-sports serious business thing and a pro community that will judge your every mistake.

          I had the most fun with RTS when we used to play in giant maps, everyone turtled creating a really big army, just to sent them in a big showdown. The feeling of commanding an army is lost over this competitive focus and everyone will cheese, after all, to win is the only thing that matters.

          I'd rather work than playing RTS today, at least I'd be winning something for real.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            When you realize that e-sports titles are the games with longest lifespans your logic falls apart. And then you tell me that you are not going to play unless getting paid like what lol

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >When you realize that e-sports titles are the games with longest lifespans your logic falls apart
              your own logic falls apart when you understand that the most played games are so only because they are the newest and have the shiniest graphics

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                nta but sincere question here, are you moronic?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >e-sports games good graphics
                You aren't even trying anymore.

                no argument, eh?
                that's alright, i'll wait for you to absorb what i said and wait for a proper rebuttal

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                yes, we are aware that a large swathe of the industry is comprised by morons who spend their time and money on anything and everything, especially if there is marketing involved. Look at diablo 4's release.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >e-sports games good graphics
                You aren't even trying anymore.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                It isn't the new shiny graphics that pull the players in; it's the players that pull the new shiny graphics in.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              have you ever heard of Sunk Cost
              competitive games are addicting because the only thing about them that feels good is winning
              this means to enjoy themselves and have fun at least once a night, players will play until they win
              cue 9 hour long games of the worst matchmaking experience in all of creation, that didn't matter because they ended their 8 loss streak with the 9th game and suddenly it is all okay

              Comp games use psychology to manipulate players to keep playing, because not having six figure playercounts = ded gaem.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >competitive games are addicting because the only thing about them that feels good is winning
                I take it you have anger issues?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >competitive games are addicting because the only thing about them that feels good is winning
                Personal issue. Stop thinking everybody else in the world is just as much of an inept moron as you.

                Nobody turns in after a night of playing Street Fighter satisfied when they land a combo they've been practicing on an opponent, or landing perfect smokes and nades in CS. They turn in when they get to end on a high note or to avoid rage queueing/salty runbacks. The sense of accomplishment lies on the gradient scale of win and lose, not the actual in gameplay events. Skill only serves to provide you more wins, not more entertaining ways to play the game. The competitive game's live service models circulate around retaining a playerbase, which it does through psychological manipulation, not actually being fun. There are still, to this day, people who play League of Legends. These people are addicted, and it isn't to pressing the R key

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                It sounds like you don't like video games, you like skinner boxes.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Brother I just described the problem. All competitive games are skinner boxes. "Getting good" by the metrics of a modern competitive game is a soulless grind. From the moment a scrub is assigned Silver, he is socially compelled to keep playing in order to save his pride and get out of Silver. This takes away it being a game. It becomes his obligation to win, and failures put them back further into the hole. By the sheer existence of the bells and whistles on a competitive game, the attention is taken away from the game and onto the metagame - you stop fighting enemies, and start fighting numbers. Actual improvement never means anything to them. Just getting rid of this status as a shitter. The ranked systems provides a goal, a carrot on a string, in a game where improvement should be the goal in itself. Instead, the metrics of competitive gaming have turned it into the most thinly veiled skinnerbox this side of microtransactions.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                And fighting games have the same thing, but you can still play to focus solely on improvement. How? You have public lobbies where you can play with anyone, and you can play long sets with a player that is better than you, the best way to realize faults and improve.

                There's no reason that FPS shouldn't have both community dedicated servers and matchmaking.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There's no reason that FPS shouldn't have both community dedicated servers and matchmaking.
                There is.
                Its called jannies trannies with obsession of social justice.
                Everything bad going with world in the last 20 year scan be attributed to jannies trannesi pulling strings behind the curtain.
                .
                .
                .
                FACT

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the problem is simple, it's profit incentive and the inability of developers to include features that aren't directly tied to farming money from whales
                >U-UHM ACTUALLY IT'S MINORITIES LOOK IT'S ANITA
                typical EA exec

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                What you're describing is scrub mentality.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                not true, evidenced my autistic ass in broodwar that takes pride in my ability to autistically gather minerals in the first 1min 30 seconds faster than pro players

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                also, with regard to fighting games, 90% of the time i spend is in single player grinding combos, which is fun as well. I like winning too, but there is a lot of satisfaction in consistently landings combos in SP for noobs like me. Not sure how it is for high level competitors, but I assume it's similar to landing a clean build order in starcraft

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I was playing +R at my locals a week ago against a Slayer player, can't remember who won the set but I do remember air throwing his 6K and slashbacking his burst once. The "dude, that was fricked up" was the highlight for me, not the number at the end.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not only wrong but one of the biggest signs of a shitter is fixating on wins rather than improving. It's not surprising you can't fathom other people simply enjoying the game when you have such a b***h mentality.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >competitive games are addicting because the only thing about them that feels good is winning
                Personal issue. Stop thinking everybody else in the world is just as much of an inept moron as you.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >When you realize that e-sports titles are the games with longest lifespans your logic falls apart.

              >corporation makes shit game, tries to make it an esport
              >fails
              >instantly closes down the game

              they are also the games with the shortest lifespans. Just because theres a handful of games that maintain their profitability and everyone copies them trying to cut out a piece of the pie doesnt mean the concept itself is good.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >be me
            >play sc2 a lot, but pretty casually
            >go to local "lan" party and decide to enter competition for fun
            >organizers go over my entire record and ask me "what happened with these losses here, can you explain that?"
            I left right then and there and never played sc2 again. It was like a god damn job interview. I hate compgays so much, it's unreal.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Dude wants to help you grow as a player and analyze your mistakes
              >Immediately leave like you thought he misgendered you, drop the game entirely, and still cry about it years later
              Casuals. Not even once.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why the frick would anybody remember the "mistakes" they made in a game months, or years ago? The frick is wrong with you that you get so hung up on a video game?

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, even if you try to ignore it, the system itself is designed for "competitive pro scene e-sports serious business" mentality.

              E-sports ruins any game it's baked in. If people care so much about e-sports they should just create their own league and count the win/losses on their own system.

              Also the game is completely balanced by "pro players" which, of course, will be biased in legacy styled gameplay, so the devs force shit mechanics like MULES, Chrono Boost and Injection just to give the players more busy work, instead of simplify the gameplay and eliminate redundant units.

              Also, about units, the over focus on balancing limits the devs when it comes to design new units, they can't really go crazy with them anymore because everything must be perfectly balanced.

              HotS was the best MOBA relased so far, in my opinion, but they gave up the game, which I'm 100% IS lucrative, simply because people didn't adopt it as an e-sports game.

              Sakurai is right when it comes to this stuff, just give the "pros" a wish-wash competitive mode and removed "advanced techniques" from the game and that's it.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                bro... all of SC2 was a fricking simplification and elimination of """redundant""" features and """busy work,""" that is why the game failed.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                In what sense did the game "fail"?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                it failed at being a good game

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ironically SC2 didn't fail, it's one of the most played games as far as I know, but it did fail in the eyes of e-sport people, because of the over focus on the competitive scene.

                I love this game, by the way, but they really should overhaul the UI, remove the busy work and focus on multiplayer.

                It's so ironic that their most popular game mode was that coop mode introduced later. It just shows that most people don't care about 1v1 ladder as much as they think, yet, Blizzard put the game in maintenance mode, because it needs to be LoL or its nothing.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                unironically, what more do you want them to remove? do you want production fully automated?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Easier way to manage the army, like in AoE2 you can choose the their formation. Include a "split" button, circle button and these kind of things, remove the MULES, CC, injection, remove everything related to e-sports, including "pro players" avatars and that ESL background.

                Also, they really should overhaul the UI, release High definition 3D models, release the skins/emoticons for a fair price, remove the "date" from the achievments (why did they do that?), remove anything date/time limited related, remove any achievement related to championship/leagues.

                Also, bug fix some of the render settings, like the anti-aliasing. In general, just fix the game, update it, remove annoying stuff, make it more approachable and remove anything related to e-sports, specially the players history, or, at least, let you truncate it for the last year or so. Ideally, it should be an opt-in option.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm there with you on everything non-mechanically. So it sounds like you actually enjoy the build order part of the game, just not the army management part?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think that BOs are a problem, you need to master a lot of things to really become good at the game, there are some "pros" that can get into the Masters below 100 APM. The game is really, really good, but they had to ruin it with this focus on e-sports and now it's abandoned.

                People from Stormgate, at least, are aware that the coop mode is extremely popular, so they'll focus a lot on that.

                Oh, I just remember how bugged the SC2 custom map browser is. It freezes all the time in new installations, so you need to backup the cache data so you won't suffer again trying to download the maps.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                i see, alright. Yeah it's just an interesting perspective because everyone I talk to wants a more mechanically difficult game, so it's good to get your opinion too

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >street fighter
      A genre that should have stayed dead and is actually only kept alive by saud money.
      >starcraft
      It killed it's genre and Blizzard by pursuing e-sports shit.
      >warcraft
      Killed online gaming with both WoW and DotA.
      >quake
      Not e-sports
      >counter-strike
      Killed valve as a game developer once it stopped being about OP's pic.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >competitive games = esports

  37. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >twitter post
    With that being said, yes. Take me back.

  38. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  39. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Matchmaking was a point of no turning back for some games.
    Look at CSGO. Since matchmaking, the overall playerbase skill, and even the skill of the pros, has increased dramatically, and the gaps beetwen players is fricking gigantic now. The game is practically unplayable without matchmaking.

  40. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >comfy old bf community servers that rotate your favorite maps with chill regulars
    >now reduced to official servers that dump half the lobby when they don't own dlc, cancer quick search lobbies that bug out, and expensive ass rental servers you can't even fully customize
    Truly sad to see most of my favorite shooters go down this route, it even makes me miss the shit admins sometimes.

  41. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can still do that though, casuals are going to play those other shit games regardless. Doesn't mean you can't still play community servers and actually play with non-morons if you want too. If the argument is that corporations force developers to make those kinds of games instead of what they want because they make more money then you should be angry at the economic system that allows and encourages them to do that.

  42. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all these mad zoomers in this itt thread
    Just proves that he's right and that you were, indeed, born too late.

  43. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me it was ba_jail and zombie_escape.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I probably have more hours in CSS zombie maps than I do in all of CSGO.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >those two LOTR themed maps set in Moria and Mordor

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah I played those maps on a TF2 server
          thise were actually fun

  44. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nowadays multiplayer became less "you make friends ingame and form your own communities" and turned into "you bring your own pre-existing friends you already have from places like discord and you play against randoms in a global community everyone is apart of.” I miss how sociable everyone used to be.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >All those friends you made and would coordinate a time to play on the same custom server
      I'm afraid it's been... 20 years

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I modded my original xbox in halo 2, and would host race track maps with warthogs and ghosts and specters. I left my xbox ob almost every night because the lobbie would have people coming in and out all night. It was a comfy feeling to wake up at 7 am get my cereal and see people are still plying on my “server”

  45. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    holla holla get dolla

  46. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Console gaming peak was before party chat/discords/etc where you had to use in-game voice to talk with friends, shittalking with randoms was pretty much a required part of playing online, but those days are over now.

  47. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

  48. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dedicated Servers were always more balanced than MMR based Matchmaking because the players themselves would find a server out of many that fits their dufficulty curve. Sure you had the occasional pubstomper but dude usually left after a while.

    I think the worst part is the death of communities on servers that was caused by Matchmaking. Every server had its own Ecosystem you could observe.

  49. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    People really should be more mad that official matchmaking/servers is the only method for playing modern multiplayer shooters. Even Quake does this now.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Quake Live doesn't do this and thats the last quake id software released so I have no idea what you're getting at.

  50. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Chud Opinion, think of all the PoCs, LGBTQIA+ people and Neurodivergent people who were relentlessly bullied in videogame chats just for being different

    it's one of gaming's many dark blotches in it's history and one we should NEVER try to return to

  51. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The obsession with keeping players from interacting with one another
    Literally no major games in the 2010s or 20s do this in a world full of emotes, team based garbage, and especially games copying Dark Souls. He's right about everything else though the last part is made up bullshit though that I'm not sure where it even came from in the first place

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They don't mind you interacting with each other but they bloody well try their hardest to make it impossible to communicate.
      You get emotes instead of chatboxes. Or you get VoIP so heavily censored that it's a minefield.
      They also really don't want people forming communities if they can avoid it.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >say gg after match
      >get autobanned

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      shit like dbfz has no chat, only shitty emotes.
      also people just report your ass instead of muting so no one wants to trash talk anymore

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      are you moronic or arguing in bad faith?

  52. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  53. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yea
    Zoomers have no idea.

  54. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Using video games as a substitute for actual social interaction is unhealthy
    When socially well adjusted people play sports they still actually try to win, they don't just kick a ball around while chatting and blasting loud music

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      You've clearly never been to a community sports club. Half the time guys join the team to get out of the house and go for a beer after. You sound young

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >When socially well adjusted people play sports they still actually try to win, they don't just kick a ball around while chatting and blasting loud music
      Ask me how I know you're not a socially well-adjusted person or do any kind of sport.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >When socially well adjusted people play sports they still actually try to win, they don't just kick a ball around while chatting and blasting loud music
      Kek, now a Gankerirgin tries to pretend they know what normies do. As if people don't find themselves playing football or volleyball without even trying to count points anymore. Sure, you try to earn them per round, but that's as far as it goes. It's the same for vidya though. Sometimes you just wanna let loose and not care.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Sometimes you just wanna let loose and not care.
        The average person isn't expecting you to really care in a casual mode lobby.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, that's the whole point of this thread, congratulations!

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus Christ anon

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >what is the arcade

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Correct and based
      Games without competition are worthless

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is how people can tell you're an isolated freak that doesn't actually play sports IRL.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Using video games as a substitute for actual social interaction is unhealthy

      LAN parties.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >when your friend fricks up the raid mechanic for the third time you can ACTUALLY punch him in the mouth
        soul

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        gay

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >vapes
        >leftover crust
        Where's the onions drink?

        Also, how do those kind of "LAN"s even work? Don't they still have to go through the main server? Technically making it not an actual "LAN", but a "console homosexual sit-in with vapes, leftover crust and onions drinks"?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          LAN is shorter and therefore far less autistic to say

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes
      frick matchmaking
      chat is a mandatory feature
      frick discord too

      playing multiplayer games socially is the only non-embarrassing way to play multiplayer games, playing video games purely competitively is the most loser thing i've ever heard

  55. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm dreading the next Team Fortress game. Best case scenario is just keeping TF2 on the same trajectory forever, just new community maps and cosmetics three times a year.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tf3
      wont happen
      dont worry

  56. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dedicated servers sucked ass 9 times out of 10 unless you were either some nerdy homosexual trying to feel like he had friends or didn't actually want to play the base game. Prove me wrong.

  57. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I really miss creating rooms and just bullshitting with game modes. Yeah we're all going to use sniper rifles in the smallest fricking map we can make. Why? Frick you it's fun.

  58. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >destroys sbmm babies
    >destroys timmy (twice)

  59. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >see braindead post on Ganker that is incorrect in every single way
    >ignore it and move on
    it's really that simple

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      If I did that then I may as well not even browse Ganker. Actually, you're onto something here.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        now you're getting it, buddy

  60. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it was Medal of Honor Allied Assault.

  61. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    He is right, that was the last time I had genuine fun with games. But maybe I just grew up.

  62. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Never got into Source-based games but I did play a lot of Quake 3
    Running my own cpma ica server in Q3 is the most fun I've ever had with video games. Got hundreds of unique visitors over the years, 40 or so regulars that would play at least a couple times a week for at least a few years, even had some daily players.
    It ended up turning more into a glorified chat server with a background game of Q3 running as a distraction. It's been 15 years since I shut that server down and while I do still kinda miss it, I realize those days are long gone never to come back again.

  63. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically yes. People played CS Source for tens and even hundreds of hours based entirely on how fun the gameplay and community engagement was, not in the pursuit of meaningless rankings or cosmetics

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      i played css from 2009 on and off for 1k+ hours 95% of my playtime was deathrun/surf/community maps and 5% trying regular matches

  64. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    real talk, bros
    is there a single argument in good faith ITT that disproves the claim in OP's pic?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Play to win, otherwise you're ruining everyone else's fun.
      Winning is fun.
      Success is fun.
      Losing makes you stronger.
      Micspamming and bants destroy the mind.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        So no, then

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Success is fun.
        You're playing a game, you understand that, right?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Black person you realize that working toward a goal is fun... right???? more fun for some than aimlessly running around in an empty server?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            People have fun differently. Wanking over success in a videogame is pathetic.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >People have fun differently.
              yes
              >Wanking over success in a videogame is pathetic.
              you are moronic and judgmental for no reason. people engage with media differently. Some people read books and write essays just to get more out of the books. Some people write theories about music they're listening to to engage of a deeper level. Why should gaming be any different... Oh right, because you're an ADHD zoomer who can't connect with anything beyond a surface level interest out of fear of being "cringe"

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is winning still fun for you when the game doesn't "reward" you with a rank number going up?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, those games like Quake Live and CS 1.6 still exist. It just that no one decides to play them.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        CS 1.6 consistently has ~10k people playing.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          So then whining like a homosexual about "Where have all the good old community server games gone?!" is moronic then. It's not like if shitty games like COD or CS2 didn't exist all those people would flock to older games, they would just find another entertainment venue like watching transformers movies or equivalent or some shit.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Matchmaking might be better for low skilled players. In the community server model, they log on and get destroyed over and over just so someone good can have the 25-3 k-d. With matchmaking, the algorithm brings together the dregs of humanity and this guy gets to have a fair fight.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      if you asked the twittertard in the 2000s if he thinks that the game is peaked there, he would list a bunch of shit that he thinks the game could do better, would complain about the game's flaws, etc
      people are not cold analysts

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah.
      90s fps´s.

  65. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >is he right?
    Not even remotely.

    FPS multiplayer peaked when there was still an element of in person socialization, be it splitscreen GoldenEye/Perfect Dark/Timesplitters on console, weekend LANS at a friends house or big local LAN events with 50+ people, file sharing galore, some little weirdo discretely wanking off and first to a 1000 kills in Q3/UT.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >FPS multiplayer peaked when there was still an element of in person socialization
      can you explain why?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        less autistic people because they were scared to show up to lans

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        less autistic people because they were scared to show up to lans

        It's called internet. Less sex too.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Internet is a proper noun.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >FPS multiplayer peaked when there was still an element of in person socialization
        >can you explain why?
        Because anti-cheat involved punching the c**t.

  66. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    He is absolutely correct
    >Machmaking made all servers boring
    >Ranked mode and esports made casual servers only for dumb homosexuals that aren't even trying, and then made the ranked servers filled with try-hard homosexuals.

  67. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hate zoomers more and more each day. You homosexuals are beyond saving and should be sterilized for the good of humanity

  68. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Matchmaking is purpose designed to make games as anti-fun as possible. They are created for the sole purpose of driving misery and anger for engagement and I FRICKING HATE that I cannot avoid them anymore no matter what I do.

  69. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, his wrong or at minimum partially right. The real reason is lack of user/3rd party dedicated servers

  70. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Esports
    As soon as something becomes "professional" it turns to shit. Money follwed by cheating, politics and suits.
    >competitive
    People get too obsessed with it.

  71. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Esports didn't ruin anything, it's all matchmaking's fault. Those same mid-2000s Source games still had servers full of people trying to win, but you obviously never had to set foot in those servers.

  72. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I hate zoomers more and more each day. You homosexuals are beyond saving and should be sterilized for the good of humanity

  73. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't play any Source game back then, but UT2004 32 players onslaught games were indeed peak gaming.
    The fact that UT2004 isn't upgraded with a modern netcode is a tragedy.

  74. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    esports focus is pure cancer, yes

  75. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    underage losers are trying to raid us

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      How would you know this unless you frequent sharty?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >stupid zoomers can't raid us! we are superiour unlike them!
      -20 years on incel website

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >zoomers get reminded that they missed out
      >have a schizo breakdown
      Many such cases.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Legitimately nobody cares about your shitty old games Black person, all the "zoomers" living in your head are actually off enjoying games while you sit here posting on Ganker about how much you miss being a kid.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >ummm dude actually nobody cares
          >he says while posting in a thread being raided by butthurt zoomers

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          nobody cares about your shitty old games Black person
          >he says in a thread that made it to the bump limit

  76. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    nice discord

  77. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The zoomer mind can't comprehend this.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      CSGO has that though. My fellow zoomer friend plays zombie escape all the time.

  78. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are they like this

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ironic considering half the TF2 servers are hugboxes full of trannies that will ban you instantly for saying anything they perceive as offensive

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        So play on a based server that bans anyone with an anime avatar on sight?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >anime is trans
          Good job outing yourself as a oldgay larper.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            anything but not wrong

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because Americans are subhuman.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like women and queers just need to shut the frick up. That's literally all you need to do and nobody will ever know.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >can cover your map in pride flags if you want
      >can set up whatever chat filters you want
      >can ban anyone who offends you
      What other tools do they need?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Troon and troon enablers are extremely intolerant of the existence of any space that they don't directly control, since it means that there's a place where people can talk about or make jokes about things they don't want talked about, including them. This is why they'll either worm their way into positions of power and take control of the space like they do on places with moderator positions, such as privately owned game servers or discord, do raids like they do here, or if both those options fail, just go the nuclear option of trying to have shut it down like the farms.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          most of the troons you speak of were former Gankerners, induced in the hotbed of tranime and troonyge
          the rot came from within, as with you

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lurk before posting.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They've found that acting as a victim gets them status, power and prestige.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      the homosexual doesn't realize two things
      >gays played the game too, they just didn't talk about gay sex to the 10 year old otherwise people would call the cops on him
      >queers and trannoids didn't exist yet, because occupy wall street didn't manifest itself yet

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      queers and women didnt even exist back then, this man is moronic. also he didnt even get groomed until like 2018, so what is he talking about?

  79. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    On the other hand, playing video games seriously and competitively with friends is incredibly exciting.
    Some of the most fun I've had in a video game took place during a tournament.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even just close ranked CS games with the bros or a good team of randoms is legitimately some of the most fun I've had with games. Same goes for the couple FG tournaments I've entered. It's fricking sick rewatching the matches and seeing people get hyped for you.

  80. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    itt: buttblasted zoomers

  81. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. But to elaborate the lack of server browser and relying on matchmaking was the main problem.

  82. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >itt: buttblasted zoomers

  83. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly Ganker would be a better board if they removed the ability to post images.

  84. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    100%

    Fps died with dedicated servers

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      But FPS games are bigger than they've ever been?

      anything but not wrong

      That was a given, have a nice day.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        it is you fat fricking homosexual

  85. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >public lobbies still exist
    >server lists still exist
    >custom games still exist
    >map editors still exist
    >Use Map Settings still exists

    >no one plays them
    How is this the fault of the zoomer?

  86. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ctrl+f "jabroni brawl" - 0 results

    Why do you people spend so much time raging while the solutions are out there waiting for you?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because playing the games isn't the point of these threads, it's about proving your superiority over the normalgays.

  87. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    100%, it can be nice to tryhard sometimes but i dislike the way most big shooters neglect community content

  88. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >havent played an fps since 2000s

    Did it change? Why isn’t this possible anymore?

  89. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Course he's right, you young anons just don't know what you missed so you think he's wrong.

    gone like autism in the rain

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >missed
      It's all still there, and more.
      Why did you abandon it?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I literally played gmod rp like 2 years ago and half the server were 10 year old kids so I have no idea what you're implying.

  90. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    no.
    FPS peaked with CODMOD 1 and 2.
    Every single normie knew about that game.
    Any other opinion is incorrect.

  91. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Overall yes, but his last post rings more true. It is bizarre behavior from the big companies to kill lobbies after matches, and just have pre-existing cliques have all the benefits of coop and socializing.
    Bizarre also, because the systems are giving mixed signals. For instance, Sony with their built-in microphone into the controller being default open. Not everyone wants to be on mic and suddenly you're banned after saying slurs while it wasn't even your intention to be heard.

    Total industry death like in the 80's won't happen anymore, but the AAA devs, publishers et al deserve to crash and burn for their scumsucking business dealings

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >kill lobbies after matches
      Wasn't this a consequence of P2P getting phased out in favor of matchmaking servers?
      No reason to keep the same players that had no problems connecting to the host when the matchmaking system can handle that now

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        forced matchmaking is cancer

  92. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Esports wasn't a problem until streaming became mainstream, now shooters are made to cater the twitch streamers. Case in point: Apex Legends.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      How exactly does the game cater to someone who is broadcasting their gameplay? The game has zero (0) Twitch integration features.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but in general I get the sense that balance updates similar design decisions are disproportionately driven by "streamer" feedback which isn't applicable to most other players. Admittedly I haven't played Apex in a long time but I have a similar sentiment with Escape From Tarkov and other shooters. "Content creators" complain about game attributes that break up or slow down their streams and game devs make the mistake of listening to whiny gays that play video games 80-100 hours a week.

  93. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >checkmarkgay farming ad revenue by posting non-stop ragebait tweets
    Does this guy still even make games?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's only ragebait if you're a zoomer

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Guess who uses Twitter a lot on their phones where you can't block ads

  94. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >is he right?

    Yes. But he neglected to mention arguably the most important part: rise in popularity of the report system.

    >be over 10 years ago
    >playing on a 24/7 16 vs 16 office server in CSS
    >I'm the last one alive on CT against 2 Ts, moving slowly into the hostage area
    >suddenly some guy on my team says "bro you suck, go faster b***h"
    >I reply "frick you homosexual"
    >we get into a minor argument and begin questioning each other's parentage
    >the second I turn the corner to the meeting room, a T comes out of hiding, I try to spray him down but I fat finger and miss entirely
    >entire team starts laying into me, the guy who called me a homosexual is howling with laughter, calling me a dumb Black person
    >I'll show you b***hes
    >a few rounds later, I'm in a 1 VS 3 this time
    >homosexual guy already chirping on the mic, this time I don't listen to his shit talking
    >this time I flash into the hostage area and kill 2 Ts who were camping
    >on the way to extracting the final T ambushes me, I make a sick one tap from across the map and win the round
    >my entire team goes crazy, and the homosexual guy is the one who's going the most insane, screaming on the mic calling me a legend and a pro
    >we add each other after the match and play a few more games
    >he's still on my friends list today, and we still chat occasionally, but neither of us have much time for games these days

    This interaction would be impossible nowadays. Someone would have reported both of us, and we'd both get muted by the automated report system, and depending on what game it is, we would have potentially been permabanned. The mere threat of being reported and banned is enough to where I won't even talk on the mic anymore in multi-player games; what's the point of bantering and chatting with strangers if someone takes what I say and uses it against me? There's too much risk and no reward, so I've become a mute nowadays. I gotta walk on egg shells every time I play multi-player games, this shit ain't fun anymore.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      My friend regularly talks shit over VC in every game he plays and he's never even gotten a warning for it unless he was on a dedicated server and an actual admin banned him. You're just a pussy.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Real big of you champ, I noticed you said "your friend" and not "I"
        Fact is most normalgays would rather not risk having money stolen

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Real big of you champ, I noticed you said "your friend" and not "I"
          Yeah? Is it such a surprise to you that other people have friends?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            What's not surprising you don't do the same

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't understand, do you think I'm being a hypocrite for calling him a pussy or something? I don't talk shit to random people because I don't care to do it. Not because I'm afraid of getting banned. Anon wants to talk shit to random people but is too much of a pussy to do it.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Black person

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly the concept of just ignoring others and concentrating on the game is foreign to many. Instead they became anxious over what could happen like teammates flaming them or not living up to some standards. I can't even fault them too much cause it can feel miserable, especially when you don't have the skill to show them otherwise. But that type also needs to learn to care less about others.

  95. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The part about keeping people from interacting is 100% true.

  96. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >when that one kid gets into a fight with his mom while he has a hot mic and the whole server comes to a screeching halt to listen

  97. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's true, not everything was sweaty as frick. The loss of dedicated servers turned multiplayer games into a hell of constant tryharding.

    I don't miss micspam at all though.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't miss micspam at all though.
      I don't mind it when it's just one person playing music or whatever. I've actually discovered a lot of great music I'd never have heard otherwise this way.

  98. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    forced random matchmaking was a mistake

  99. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like community servers.

  100. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Remember like a decade ago when anons on this board made fun of servers that banned players for being too good and people that complained about other players trying too hard? I remember.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, definitely. Dedicated servers weren't perfect at all. But they were better than what we have now. I mean, I get the need of a matchmaking queue for ranked play. But why can't I frick around on my own server when I'm not doing ranked? Player freedom is not a bad thing.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I remember clearly saying that there couldn't be a worse pokemon game than SM, and yet, here we are.

  101. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    500%, but I wouldn't just limit it to fps multiplayer. Old battle.net custom maps was the peak of the online gaming experience to me.

  102. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the peak of something is always when someone was younger or has nostalgia for it

  103. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Competition is based and I am tired of pretending it's not. gays jerking about being le heckin friendly or whatever is the gayest shit.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah and now you have a boring game like Valorant with maps designed by "CS pros" where it's all a corner peek fiesta designed with competitive in mind instead of the naturally designed maps from CS like de_dust2 where it was gradually changed for balanced while still keeping an interesting theme

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This board got flooded with complete casuals crying that their opponents are actually trying at all to win and the game puts them with people that are a challenge. I swear, the average normalgay is less of a shitter than most of Ganker now.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's all well and good, but wouldn't it be better for everyone if the casuals could just go off and play with other casuals?
        they get to have their fun, and you get to have teammates taking things as seriously as you
        everyone wins

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >everyone wins
          No, I won't. I'll still have you morons on my board.

  104. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Amerimutts calling Russians "Black folk"
    lol
    lmao even

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >20% of the population doesn't have a toilet
      >1% of the population has aids
      it is literally africa tier

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        according to what sources? oh right "estimates" made in washington by "experts" lmao

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Literally no bigger Black folk on the planet than vatBlack folk

  105. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >bullied Tim so hard it destroyed epic
    Dunno but based

  106. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    for me it was cod2 gob_rats zombies and cod uo glass attack 24/7

  107. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >twitter
    you should kys, same with that homosexual, but he's right, esports and muh ranked ruined FPS, look how Blizzard did everything to ruin their game Overwatched , removed the chat, the fun, etc
    Now if you say a bad word banned, no fun anymore, no banter, nothing.
    Not a surprise battle royal games are so popular, you jump in, kill someone and do a shit emote and die and move on, not gay teams, muh toxicity, 1000 rules, meta, discord etc.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >esports and muh ranked ruined FPS, look how Blizzard did everything to ruin their game Overwatched , removed the chat, the fun, etc
      Yeah, that's a real esports and ranked problem and not Blizzard being incompetent and fricking the game up from every angle.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >blizzshart
      shit example, they're just a garbage company living on the fumes of past glory

  108. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unreal tourney days are what my heart pines for most, so yea, he right.
    I had a lot of fun with bfbc2, 3 and 4 though, but otherwise, modern fps multi games have always disappointed

  109. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    ok boomer, now let's compare player numbers of his shitty nostalgia fps jank and valorant

  110. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    what good fps is there even now apart from csgo/cs2?

  111. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    its not just that its the morons that take it all way too seriously and ruin the fun by sperging out over losing

  112. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just like I've been right with the SAME OPINION, but i have zero clout, so no one will fricking care.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      When you notice some moron on twitter is agreeing with you, you should start considering if maybe you've been wrong all along.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dave is just a 30yo boomer like you and me; I think most people our age share a similar opinion.

  113. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    A more competitive environment only ruined gaming for people who are bad at it.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      So, most of Ganker.

  114. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >have 7 friends
    >can't play CS2 private matches because ehhhh idk valve doesn't want us to
    Luckily we can start a server and play 1.6 in like 5 nanoseconds. Frick the modern videogames industry.

  115. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    gayming when i was a kid
    >fun player created maps
    >fun in text and voice chat

    gayming now
    >not allowed to make maps or emblems anymore
    >no one talks or chats anymore, lest you get banned
    also the game is now 100 GB or more and runs like shit

  116. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Esports focus sucked the fun out of all fps multiplayer games.

  117. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Automatic matchmaking ruined online gaming.

  118. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah he is

  119. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    No idea what is wrong with multiplayer nowadays. I just avoid it. Mp games make me unhappy and at this moment in my life I want to avoid things the dour my mood.

  120. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I played so many source games

  121. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  122. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I agree with the gist of what he's saying, but those wacky le randumb custom servers have always been cringe and nobody wants to hear your Black person music. He could have picked better examples.

  123. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Meta gays ruined games not by being good, but by being terrible. Copy paste losers that kill gameplay diversity.

  124. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  125. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    TF2 will always be there for you, no matter what.

  126. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Multiplayer games were never good

  127. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fortnite customs un-ironically still have a ton of this shit.
    Of the modern FPSs it's like the only one left not pishing muh-esports

  128. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is such a late gen x thing to say
    No one cares about shitty Valve games. Console literally made FPS 100000% times better, it's a good thing shitters like this are filtered now it much better for competition

  129. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes
    I miss it so much.

  130. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and only zoom zooms who have never seen a server browser will disagree. Its unfortunate they will never know the age they missed out on.

  131. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Peak was when I could still call opponents and teammates alike stupid gay israelite lizard Black folk and not get banned for life

  132. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, he's not fricking right. It's a stupid simplification of the actual problem that's nothing but an extension of the dumbass casual vs hardcore flame war that people have been having for decades. It's not competitive servers and "esports." It's not the guy that stomped you in Counter-Strike and trolled you when you were just trying to have fun one time.

    It's a combination of convenience, consoles, and player engagement.
    >Most casual players just want to press a button and get into a match, and it's easy for developers to not spend time including mod tools or dedicated servers and not piss of the majority
    >Server Browsers are miserable on consoles and they never prominently featured modding, so console players, most people, would not miss them
    >Games nowadays are designed to keep your attention for as long as possible, making you an addict and increasing your chances of spending more money on the game. This includes competitive ladders. It also includes, more prominently, paid battle passes, with challenges, and grinding. Having moddable community servers outside of that feedback doesn't do anything for your bottom line, so why implement them?

    If it were comp's fault, Modern Warfare 2 and Titanfall 1 wouldn't have scrapped community servers with zero esports scene to speak of. It's easy to get away with not having them, convenient, and you have basically zero profit incentive to do so.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      While Modern Warfare 2 scraped community servers it didn't have SBMM and ingame chat censorship. And i don't remember anyone complaining about MW2, it was peak casual experiences that can never be trumped.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you kidding? There was an attempted (laughably failed) boycott of MW2 because they cut proper dedicated servers. People were mad as FRICK about this.

        I also think you're complaining about something different. It sounds like you're just mad about not being able to banter and troll worse players while stomping on them in normal matchmaking, most people that I've heard seethe about this are complaining about matchmaking muscling out community-controlled servers entirely.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Are you kidding? There was an attempted (laughably failed) boycott of MW2 because they cut proper dedicated servers. People were mad as FRICK about this.
          About lack of servers yes. About game itself no and how its matchmaking works no. Yes its paved way for companies to have more control over games and other shenanigans but MW2 itself was not yet tainted. i don't remember anyone considered game anything less than blast. Including both stomped casuals and "pro" players of different sorts.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            People liking the game enough to overlook the server issue is exactly why games that came after it did the same thing, that's the entire issue. It was the green light that dedicated server infrastructure doesn't actually matter even for PC games because most people will just click the "matchmake" button

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            People liking the game enough to overlook the server issue is exactly why games that came after it did the same thing, that's the entire issue. It was the green light that dedicated server infrastructure doesn't actually matter even for PC games because most people will just click the "matchmake" button

            People did make IW4X

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      While Modern Warfare 2 scraped community servers it didn't have SBMM and ingame chat censorship. And i don't remember anyone complaining about MW2, it was peak casual experiences that can never be trumped.

      You mean to mention the OG MW2 right?
      I missed when I used to go to lan cafes to play a cracked version of MW2 where the cafe had their own server for keeping progress and it's tied to the cafe login
      Shooting the shit with and against other people in the cafe was really fun, made a few pals out of it
      Someone would occasionally physically rage and scream at his seat when getting outskilled
      Good fricking times

  133. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  134. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I agree about the negative effects of homosexual console matchmaking vs. jumping into pub servers, but I am not so sure about the competitive aspect. RA3 (Q3's Rocket Arena) and early Quake Live were probably the peak of my multiplayer experience, and both games' scenes had extensive external stat tracking, going as far as global ELO rankings. It was always about gittin gud.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It IS about competitive aspect. Games of the past may had competition side but it was choice between casual and competitive .
      Today with SBMM in every mode and there is no choice, it is competitive only.
      if you want narrow down to a singe factor SBMM without opt out is that most important factor that removed fun from the mp gaming.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's nothing wrong with SBMM. Fighting games have had that for ages, and it's fine. It's a system that works. One of my main games has no-balance matchmaking and I'm beyond tired of stomping people.
        But do you know what fighting games also have? Lobbies. Public rooms where you can play with whoever. Sort of like the community servers that shooters used to prominently have.

        That's what they need.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >There's nothing wrong with SBMM.
          There is nothing wrong when its possible to opt out. When its is mandatory we have what we ahve today (plus commutations censorship)

          >Fighting games have had that for ages, and it's fine.
          Mass fighting games were always "hotseat" entertainment therefore no SBMM. When they went mp they died as mass games.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            But that's just not the problem that OP is talking about. Dusk guy is talking about low-stakes social environments with people interact with each other, like TF2 on that cyberpunk map, or something. Matchmaking fricks with that almost inherently because everyone regardless of intent is being shuffled into the same queue.

  135. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >is he right?
    Yep he's right. 2005 custom Halo 2 lobbies were insane. Even as an adult I would have loved them. Big Team Battle was fun as frick too. I doubt it's simply because I was a teenager back then. Either way, Normies invading gaming ruined it. Trash talking and calling people homies was normal back then.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I was browsing twitch a couple months ago to check out a game I wanted to buy, can't remember which one. Clicked on the streams and the whole top row of streamers was woman, woman, woman, black guy, woman.... something like that. I went to a couple LAN parties as a teen, nobody there looked like that. The landscape has definitely changed and the games we see now take that into account for better or worse, mass appeal usually just means bland.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gaming just because more accessible. My fricking 65 year old dad plays Cyberpunk on the PS5 now lol. Back in the day there were plenty of cool homies that played vidya. But they didn't give a shit about forced diversity or whatever quota they're trying to achieve in vidya these days.

  136. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    SBMM is good, but dedicated servers were better

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      dedicated servers are opposite to SBMM.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, they serve different purposes. If someone wants to just play competitive and get into matches right away, SBMM is good for them. If someone wants to chill out or have some other kind of experience that doesn't involve rigidly playing the game as intended, dedis are good for them. But we could have both. Acting like it's a this or that and we have to have TF2 24/7 2fort or reboot MW's SBMM is silly.

  137. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    whoa guys hot opinion coming over here
    was he right?

  138. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    And there are some people for whom the problem with modern matchmaking is that they aren't allowed the COD lobby experience, but the nice thing about community servers is that you can still have your shittalking space.

    Ideally, Minecraft has been doing the worst possible thing and started cracking down on community servers with universal moderation. Granted I don't know how much they enforce things.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Minecraft has been doing the worst possible thing and started cracking down on community servers with universal moderation
      Would you really expect anything less from Microsoft? Thankfully, it can all be disabled with mods, either server-side (best) or client-side and the chat will even have a grey icon next to it to let you know your chats aren't reaching Microshit's servers.

  139. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hes' entirely correct however those games still exist
    Mordhau was fricking fantastic

  140. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Developer of the most pandering genre on earth
    >makes pandering tweets all day for us old gay real gamers
    Dude is a massive gay and he makes me hate boomer shooters.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hope more people realize the grift
      But sadly the masses are just dumb zombies doomscrolling without a care in the world

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >X (formerly Twitter)
        This is the official name of Twitter now, huh? They'll never be able to drop that "(formerly Twitter)" bit.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Even the Japanese people I follow over there do the exact same gag, calling it X (formerly Twitter)
          I think it's kinda funny, but checkmarkgays spamming engagement bait when they've never even done that before Elon announced ad revenue share is the exact opposite of funny
          Just like what the gamedev gay on the OP image is doing

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            afaik x japan is already registered to a metal band.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Elon picked most popular current year meme, huh?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is it so hard to believe that a PC gamer in his 30s misses source games?

  141. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Source games sucked compared to their gldsrc predecessors. Only idiots born after '95 have opinions like his.

  142. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  143. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >twitter
    >old good new bad
    >nostalgia bait
    >light mode
    >time wasting question
    op. have a nice day.

  144. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    musk is just a big prince fan.

  145. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and Ill go futher. Internet despise the shitty tech was a better place in the 90s than it is now. Todays good stuff is all thanks to tech advances, but as a place internet is way worse now that anyone can log in instead of dedicated hobbyists.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not just that anyone can log in, it's that everyone is logged in 24/7. Before smartphones internet usage was very widespread already, but to use the internet you had to sit your ass down in front of a computer, and most people aren't willing to do that for many hours a day. There were laptops, but even a light portable laptop can't be used as casually as a smartphone.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      ill go a step further and say it isn't exclusive the internet
      all "nerd" hobbies have been dilute more the wider audience

  146. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >complains about this then makes a single player boomer shooter
    just like make the game then homie

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, that's the funny part. He made Duskworld, a multiplayer mode for Dusk, and then didn't maintain it at all.

  147. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    games didn't die because of esports
    they died because online became more popular and people's actual skill level got exposed and instead of improving they cry about "sweats"

  148. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The nostalgia is strong in his argument. He is conveniently ignoring all the servers that were pay to win, had power tripping admins, had no balance and how many matches would end up a steamroll, etc.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, I think his argument sucks, but I think those servers are such a weak argument against community servers, too. The whole point of community servers is that you can do whatever you want on them, and once you find a "good server" that does what you want, you're usually pretty well set.

      "but there were bad ones!" isn't a great argument when the reality we're living in is people being frustrated with literally no alternatives

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Games like TF2 had autobalance, current games have even worse power tripping admins and even worse many automate the bannings and just flat out ban you if you get too many reports even if you did nothing wrong, and PC games in general were always P2W because better hardware=better performance. The dude with 15 FPS was playing pyro with backburner every game because that's all he could do, you can't reflect at 15 fps. Meanwhile the guy at 60 FPS because he upgraded his PC in the last 2 years was playing soldier and killing all the poorgays.

  149. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. I am 37 years old and I have lived through all of that. Community is what holds multiplayer games together. Sure, people can play regular multiplayer matches to get some adrenaline going, but that should never be the main focus. If people want to play ultra serious competitive e-sports garbage, then they should just play in a LAN with their friends, NOT online.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong, competitive players have their new corporate niche and it's SSBM. It's the lack of alternative that's the problem. Don't even get me started on no local coop games besides fighting games or Mario Party knock-offs.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Don't even get me started on no local coop games besides fighting games or Mario Party knock-offs

        There's plenty of great games that have LAN functionality like the Unreal Tournament series, Counter-Strike series, Starcraft series, Age Of Empires 2, Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, older Call Of Duty games, Left 4 Dead series, Rocket League, Team Fortress series, Quake 3, Rainbow Six Siege, etcetera. If you want to go even further, there's programs like Hamachi that mimic LAN functionality on games that don't even have LAN.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          *new

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            New games generally suck ass. Stick with the classics. They haven't aged a day.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              you're not wrong, but my claim is valid

  150. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    UT2k4's Onslaught mode was the absolute peak of FPS multiplayer so yes, he's absolutely right.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Man, every single Epic employee deserves death. UT was the goat. Imagine killing and being ashamed of the franchise your engine is named after.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        what is Fortnite

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Can't believe Epic shut off the servers by force this year. How'd they even do that? I thought community servers were immune to companies shutting down games.

  151. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't he mean MLG?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      MAJOR LEAGUE

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >when I grow up, I'm going to be in the major leagues!
        20 years ago, people would assume you were talking about Baseball. Today, it's 99.9% certain kids are talking video games.
        MLG is literally bigger than MLB at this point.

  152. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Matchmaking exists to distribute the number of wins evenly across all players.
    It's literally socialism.
    They do this because people like to win and people who just lose over and over are likely to stop playing. It has nothing to do with "better matches" it has to do with "keeping the most amount of players playing".

    In the past, your reward for getting better at a game was that you would win more. Now you win relatively the same amount but you get a shiny rank icon or ELO that nobody actually gives a shit about.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean Ganker literally cries about how they can't learn fighting games because it's unfair to be matched with better players so

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and people who just lose over and over are likely to stop playing
      Funny thing it didn't happen during CoD4 and MW2 peak gaming times.
      And yes it is socialism. Its not about players, or profits, its about SOCIAL JUSTICE.

  153. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  154. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its true. But I say FPS peaked with Quake III Arena. Nothing has surpassed it, they're all trying to copy it.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fortnite surpassed it 9000 times.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        fortnite isnt even an FPS

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          its doesn't make it worse.

  155. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >muh x thread
    That said yeah

  156. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dusk kind of sucks. Not sure why it gets so much praise. The dev is cool though.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Dusk kind of sucks
      Nah, it's just extremely overrated.

  157. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Short answer: yes.
    Long answer: Multiplayer games were intentionally kneecapped to dissuade players from forming communities, hosting servers, and generally interacting with any way that they can't leverage to meet metrics instead of being socially fun. They don't want you to be having fun, they want you to be engaged, frothing at the mouth for just one more match, and ideally buying a couple homosexual skins from the in-game store in the process. Combine that with this soft, new age internet and you have a recipe for a room full of strangers playing together without really playing together. So yes.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      That happens without a comp ladder, though. People obsesss over BP challenges, too.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Absolutely, good call. But that's another example of engagement over organic experience which furthers my point that the spirit of multiplayer is dead.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's just what annoys me about this tweet, though. People love to focus on competitive because they have some personal bone to pick with competitive or competitive players, like they had a bad experience or they resent that they don't feel like they can keep up with comp anymore, I've known so many people that give off that vibe- That's not what's wrong with games, what's wrong with games is what's wrong with every medium, taking the most direct path to convenience and profit and frick everything else. They do this shit because it's simple and it makes them money.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            My homie. You get it.

  158. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes, matchmaking and MMR and stuff ruined fps games

    people now use them widely as life progress replacements, it has crippled a generation of people honestly speaking

  159. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It would be fine if new games let you host servers on custom maps

  160. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely, and globohomosexual will never give it back. Journos and leftists will defend it because a troony might feel bad if we have nice things.

  161. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely, but for multiplayer in general, not just FPS.

  162. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. esports 5v5 multiplayer games full of sweatlords is fricking cancer.

  163. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    How many PC shooters don't have dedicated servers? Something like Overwatch has a bunch of customization options for the kind of goofy custom games everyone waxes nostalgic about but the majority of players would rather play ranked or quickplay. So has it a problem if players have the choice but choose the default?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      You make a great point at the end. Idiots complain that this is happening but they still buy into it. When CSGO first came out in 2013 it was a total failure. It was ugly and played like complete shit. Then they added lootcrates and it killed the population in all the other Counter-Strike games. And had the amount of player servers that would be considered a "dead game" despite having more active players than ever.
      And then the players complain
      >"Why is this happening?!"
      I swear, some people just need to get banned IRL...

  164. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    All you really had to bring up was how matchmaking replaced server browsers.

  165. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Peaked in the early 00s with Unreal Tournament/CS 1.6/DoD/etc, but otherwise, he's right

  166. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    he is right. based CS source jailbreak, kz, Deathrun, surf.

  167. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes, esports made every single thing it touches garbage except for brood war, not a single other game survived the esports design and focus dumb companies tried.
    server lists instead of matchmaking and no other options? yep.

  168. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I dont get whats stopping this from happening today so I really dont get his argument. If anything this happens even more on a bigger scale of battle royale games. I think modern FPS games are shit and scammy as all hell and thats what stops fun experiences like this but otherwise this is a stupid thing to think FPS games peaked on, I think they peaked when DLC existed but didnt get out of hand and people would call you a gay for it. Also I'll admit i played FPS games less growing up I dont recall rankings and esports ever having any effect on the game. If thats the case too this shit has been a thing since esports was invented when fricking Doom multiplayer came out so I really dont get what hes b***hing about here or even venting about

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