It does feel like somewhere in the last decade big companies have started acting fundamentally different.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They still act the same way like they did back then. Just more greedier than ever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Video games used to be treated like toys to make money, the corporations didn't care about the content of them, they have learned that they can use technology to control you and now video games have become big enough to be a part of that and all of the independent artists in every medium are being ran out by corporations, we will never have another David Lynch or Martin Scorsese.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I dunno man, random independent titles sometimes come out of nowhere and do well. Minecraft is easily the best example of that, but there's others like Slay the Spire, Deep Rock Galactic, hell fricking vampire Survivors did insanely well and it looks like it took about three days to make.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There is still good stuff coming out, the Cuphead DLC recently was great, but it's less and less traditional art every year and more and more sterile corporate replacing it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>random independent titles sometimes come out of nowhere and do well
That is not a good sign especially in this day of age where tech we have now should have brought us into a Platinum Age of gaming.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're still stuck in that stupid mindset of thinking the level of available technology has anything to do with it. If anything better technology is worse because it just makes people stupid and lazy since they can brute force problems rather than solving them efficiently.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's a people's problem not a tech problem.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Giving developers all the tools they need to be lazy is only going to create lazy developers, moron. You can't lead a horse to water then blame it for taking a drink. Have you ever heard the idea that restrictions breed creativity? When put under constraints, your brain will immediately set about coming up with ways to work around the restraints, and kino will emerge. In a world with no restraints there can be no creativity. Only the naive think there would be.
You think? You think facts are something that leave room for interpretation? That shit happened; gen 7 was the death of games, the cornerstone of modern videogames in every sense that only morons can't see and blame gen 8 somehow.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It wasn't like that since the beginning though, it's curious to see early 7th gen games, which have the philosophy from before, for a while there was kind of a mix of modern (COD4, Gears of War) and old (Ninja Gaiden 2, N3, Dead Rising, Folklore, Genji, etc.)
I remember at the time it seemed like the military shooter fad would never end, now we're in some kind of open world fad, but somehow it doesn't feel any different.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not really, it was rare for games in that gen to have the dna from 6th (which had very similar dna to current ones to a fair extent) like DR. That's probabbly why you don't feel any change between; that fricking multiplat era of MoH, CoD shit was the start of the dark age.
I used to think like that and then I started playing old classics that I just never gave a chance back in the day and no I can tell you for sure that new games are indeed shit
You're not old, the actual boomers didn't get stuck playing Atari, they played the NES and SNES and PS1 too because the games just kept getting better, you literally saw them evolving every year
Not anymore
This. Started with the Atari and upgraded every generation and up until the PS3/360 generation things were improving (and if not improving at least changing) at a steady clip. Then it stagnated and now companies would rather figure out how to wring the most microtransactions of fools than actually making bigger and better games.
I have an RX 590 myself. I figure I can keep using it for a good while, since I largely just emulate these days. The few PC games I do play all run fine on it too.
It's actually kind of nice, not feeling the pressure to have to keep up with new games and their requirements.
Same. Currently just finished my first Morrowind playthrough after failing to get into it several times in the past. Thoroughly loved and enjoyed it this time around.
Also playing Dragon's Dogma, a 10 year old game, and Bannerlord, a game that has been getting made for 10 years.
>It's a valid point in the context of the article.
No it's not since his point is that no one plays newer games and that's why people play retro. Which isn't true since 'retro' games have literally always been popular
2 years ago
Anonymous
No it's not, the point of the article you're defending for some reason is that no one plays newer games. He was addressing that dumb argument. Stop being so obtuse.
People aren't turning to them, they're just buying them to post on tiktok.
this. New games are shit diluted with loot boxes, dlcs and season pass but you can easily emulate and/or pirate them. Most people buying the physical games won't never play them
This. A lot of people who buy retro stuff is just in for the collecting however you can still buy older games trough steam and gog, which is what i do and plkay them.
I avoid most of the new games because they are indeed mostly garbage filled with lootboxes and dlc. Only recently released game i bought this year was postal brain damaged and griftlands.
THIS! 33 year old here and I just cannot stand modern gaming. I haven't liked it though in a long time. Probably by 2014 I was already largely tuned out of it. I see plenty of good games today but its nowhere like how it was back then. Too much trash that doesn't deserve to even be a thing. Also a lot of these modern games take time before they reach their best since almost all of them have so much download content. So its best to wait for many of them so you get the full experience.
Honestly things were just a lot easier back then to get into. I think online gaming is the primary culprit of destroying gaming today.
fpbp
Thanks to modern day emulation it's so incredibly accessible and customizable that I haven't touched a single modern game outside of elden ring. Even went so far as to get my hands on a really good CRT (for free, thanks to a local television broadcast station that didn't want it anymore) and I've been having a blast playing all kinds of cool games that I've never played or heard of before.
So many good games, all for (mostly) free. The modern game company absolutely seethes at my existence.
Publishers haven't been taking risks for the past 15 years or so, and somehow that's now the fault of retro games? New games are dogshit, old games are good. That's all there is to it.
>New games are dogshit, old games are good. That's all there is to it.
To be fair, they are most often trying their darnest to turn the old good games into shit too with these re/whatevers.
As long as you have, say, a fricking computer. You can get into retro gaming as long as it isn't a fricking Chromebook for FREE. There is nothing wrong with going back to play the good ol oldies, especially if modern games fail to exceed their predecessors.
It's not, he's a gay moron. Most games from before ps1/N64 run perfect emulated. Most games after run well enough that why the frick are you splitting hairs about shaders loading right or whatever, just go play the game and have fun instead of being an autist.
Did I say it's better than the hardware? It is better than the hardware though because the hardware has degraded and you have to baby it and waste money acquiring it and the games. Frick original hardware. moron.
>he shills consumer console hardware made at least a decade ago to literally the lowest specification and quality possible that will break after a year or two of use
just use a controller if you need to be so pretentious about this
2 years ago
Anonymous
>wanting the real deal >pretentious
I hate you Gen-Z guys so much
2 years ago
Anonymous
>mmh yes I use the real shit waggle controller and 480p resolution on a crt I'm not pretentious I just want the true experience *sniff a rail of crt screen glass* ah yeah that's the stuff
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's definitely something to be said about the experience as opposed to the raw abstraction. Emulating on PC is technically playing the game, but it doesn't feel the same as using original hardware.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's just nostalgiahomosexualery though. That's fun for 5 minutes like "oh yeah I member" but then it just collects dust since it's just more convenient to use the modern hardware.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but it doesn't feel the same
that's again a you problem. if game is fun it's fun. just because you have to channel 12 year old you to have fun doesn't mean everyone else is like this
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if game is fun it's fun.
This is what makes not a (you) problem, rather a (you) thing; DMC3 on pc is hell, even the PS2 was better despite the hardware (which didn't show in this particular game anyway). Not everyone likes to play videogames with a typewriter. And don't dare to try to move the goalpost with shitpot like >lol just use a controller. Because those aren't pc's control scheme but a console.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the frick am I reading
2 years ago
Anonymous
>And don't dare to try to move the goalpost with shitpot like >lol just use a controller. Because those aren't pc's control scheme but a console.
lol why? because you can't use a k+m on a console? I can play dmc3 on pc, using a controller, the end.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>And don't dare to try to move the goalpost with shitpot like >lol just use a controller
"You're not allowed to use gamepads while emulating" has got to be the most insane and moronic cope I've seen from tech illiterate teens.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"You're not allowed to use gamepads while emulating" >implying
You can. Being the default way is a big, long way which is the shitpost they do assuming it. If a peripheral is to be acknoledged as the default control method might as well count the GC bongos as the real gc controller.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's rather ironic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it is if you don't understand it. Are you ESL or autistic, why can't you follow your own conversation? Too much cum and plastic in your gut?
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's a bigger irony.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Little b***h boy
2 years ago
Anonymous
Get over yourself, Black person. I play all games with KB+M if possible (played Dark Souls and DMC4 with KB+M) but I switch to a controller if keyboard controls are fricked
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stupid little homosexual b***h can't use KB+M and doesn't know how to emulate so now he's cuckfending (cuckold-defending) the dumbass business practices his corporate overloards inflict on him and are only able to do so because dumb homosexual morons like you don't know any better. What's it like to be wrong stupid little b***h c**t? I'll kill you. *tears your head off and ejaculates down your neck*
Typical pcgay edgelords. Ok, Nvidia or amd?
2 years ago
Anonymous
What were those goalposts you were talking about?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Whichever components are the best
I got a Geforce and a Ryzen
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know; don't have any or care about corporate overlords.
Read again, mongoloid. Lots of retro games are holding up pretty good and with no nostalgia glasses I tell that because I keep discovering new stuff.
However, playing them on their consoles is not the best way for me anymore. As long as an emulator is perfectly running its games with no glitches and can "enhance" them to their fullest, I see no reason going to ebay to buy the actual hardware that might be 1 playthrough away from kicking the bucket and a physical copy of the game for 4x of its original price.
Also, there is the space issue. Physical copies occupy space and I dont have a basement to store them. I have though a 2tb ssd that can fit into my pocket and has the majority of nes to ps3 games stored in it.
All these are coming from a guy that owns fully functioning retro consoles like gameboy advance,ds, ps2, ps3 and has switched to emulators for convenience
Nice blog but didn't ask.
No argument, huh little b***h boy? Sometimes I play games with both gamepad and kb+m. I drive with a gamepad in GTA and use kb+m for on foot. Does that make you mad? Little homosexual b***h with nothing to show for it? Little b***h c**t made himself look stupid in front of anonymous posters, now he's gotta scramble for more straws to grab. Little b***h boy. I own some of the consoles I emulate, does that make you mad little b***h boy? You only own things your mom lets you own, like your cut wiener, little homosexual. Your parents paid money to mutilate your dick and now you've got PTSD.
>Does that make you mad?
Not at all, but why you're posting like one?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>completely gives up on his argument and resorts to winning "in the moment"
ya good job saving face little b***h boy, I'm sure all the goldfish will forget about your shitiotic posts that you made literally 5-10 minutes ago. Maybe you can b***h about grammar next
2 years ago
Anonymous
>greentext assuming bullshit
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's literally what happened little b***h boy, move some more goalposts. What's next, I'm wrong cuz you got a big stretched out butthole? little b***h boy
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm wrong cuz you got a big stretched out butthole?
You're wrong because you express like a drooling baboon instead of like a proper man.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No argument, huh little b***h boy? Sometimes I play games with both gamepad and kb+m. I drive with a gamepad in GTA and use kb+m for on foot. Does that make you mad? Little homosexual b***h with nothing to show for it? Little b***h c**t made himself look stupid in front of anonymous posters, now he's gotta scramble for more straws to grab. Little b***h boy. I own some of the consoles I emulate, does that make you mad little b***h boy? You only own things your mom lets you own, like your cut wiener, little homosexual. Your parents paid money to mutilate your dick and now you've got PTSD.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him but >I drive with a gamepad in GTA
Why? It's not like the driving needs analog inputs given how arcadey it is
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't really like on/off inputs for things like driving. Even if it doesn't matter I don't like how jerky driving a car with WASD is. You can't make any smooth turns or accelerate/break smoothly.
I'll even use a gamepad for some games where walk speed has a gradiant rather than just walk/run/stop
2 years ago
Anonymous
CONSOLEKEK MUTTOIDS LITERALLY DESTROYED WITH THIS BASED POST
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stupid little homosexual b***h can't use KB+M and doesn't know how to emulate so now he's cuckfending (cuckold-defending) the dumbass business practices his corporate overloards inflict on him and are only able to do so because dumb homosexual morons like you don't know any better. What's it like to be wrong stupid little b***h c**t? I'll kill you. *tears your head off and ejaculates down your neck*
2 years ago
Anonymous
>overloards
2 years ago
Anonymous
hey whats up b***h *kills u again*
2 years ago
Anonymous
This fricking zoomer has never used a computer before lmfao
2 years ago
Anonymous
The frick
2 years ago
Anonymous
you want the real deal of long abandoned hardware despite the modern hardware being basically free, convenient and more functional
what is the difference between you and those homosexual collectors of old cars, cards etc
you're being a pretentious gay by acting like it diminishes your experience
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reminder that most people who collect random old things like trading cards do it because they're non-taxable assets so they get to pretend they're in a lower tax bracket than they are 🙂
2 years ago
Anonymous
>that will break after a year or two of use
You know when you say really specific shit like this it makes it obvious you're clueless and just making up stuff about the subject matter, right? Because it's not true.
It's like if you started talking about "jet mode" in cars. Everyone would know you've never been in a frickin car before cuz there's no "jet mode" in a car. My N64 is 25 years old and still works fine.
>why the frick are you splitting hairs about shaders loading right or whateve
because it's distracting. A common fault in old PS1 emulators was not rendering weapon effects in symphony of the night. "LOL, who cares, just play it and have fun!", yeah, when I can't see the bible spin around the character I can't aim it, when I can't see the bosses attack I can't dodge it. Even if the shader on your modern RPCS3 is just ugly, there's always the nagging doubt that maybe you are missing more than a wall texture, maybe you're stuck because you can't see what you need to see?
But, hey, given that 99% of entries in an emulator's compatibility database are made by people who have never played more than 15minutes of any game, maybe it doesn't fricking matter if the shaders are wrong when your average emulator user is never going to get to King Boo or the inverted castle...
I had that issue with MGS1 footprints that looked like black rectangles on the ground, but I messed around with duckstation settings and fixed that. I have come to conclusion that 99% of the people that hate emulation are those who can into settings and expect to download the game and play it instantly
If I can play something on original hardware/controller or emulate it, I'll choose original 100% of the time. Not even that anon, but nothing will ever beat the original. Piracy is fine for some people and that's fine, but it's not for me. 99% of the time if I pirate something the odds of me finishing it is almost 0 even if I like it, because I always feel like I would enjoy it even more on original hardware even if I have to pay some amount for an actual cart/disc.
>nothing will ever beat the original
Emulators surpassed original hardware over a decade ago. Higher render resolution, CPU overclock option to get higher and more stable framerates, ability to speed up loading screens, savestates to circumvent bad game designs in some games of that era.
>Emulators surpassed original
That's just wrong >CPU overclock
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
(You)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Original hardware will ALWAYS surpass emulation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Original hardware will ALWAYS surpass emulation.
lol
- Save States
- Fan patches to fix bugs
- Widescreen support patches
- Inbuilt cheats if you want to use those
- Graphical mods such as custom shaders
- Ability to play games long after original hardware or game storage dies out.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no argument >didn't refute any of my points
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no argument
I mean, it's not really an argument I'm just pointing and laughing at morons.
How the frick am I going to convince russian/latin americans the original hardware is good when they have never even seen it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I gave you solid arguments why emulators surpassed the original hardware.
You gave no arguments why original hardware is better other than "it's better because it always is".
You're just another dumb purists who's stuck living in the past.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I gave you solid arguments >savestates to cheat >solid arguments
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
>play badly designed PSX game >die to some bullshit >death animation and game over screen takes 20 seconds, reloading the save takes 20 seconds, running back to where you died takes minutes >or you could use rewind function to skip wasting time re-doing what you already played
You also completely ignored all of my other points.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>play badly designed games
What? Your entire argument is you can play terrible games like Superman 64?
Who cares? What kind of argument is this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you're only allowed to play games with good designs >you're supposed to know ahead of time if a game has good design or not
Still waiting for you to tacke any of my other points.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can play shitty games if you want just don't pretend this is some selling point for emulators. >you're supposed to know ahead of time if a game has good design or not
You just cheat preemptively on all games huh?
That's a big if, you know. Works for some or even many games, but then there are also a bunch that are either incredibly expensive or just incredibly hard to get. For example I'd like to play DQ5, but it's pretty hard to get. Looking it up, I can see a relatively cheap offer for just 90€, what a steal.
I understand some classics or obscure stuff is pricey, but it just depends. Like I said, piracy is whatever, do what you need to do. However in my anecdotal experience things I -want- to play isn't like that. It's not like I'm dying to play something like Little Samson or Cheetahmen 52 or w/e that the cost of entry is just too stupid to care. For example I just recently got all 3 of the PS2 DMC games for my girlfriend for less than ~$15 and we can play them on original hardware/controller.
I prefer original hardware because the act of setting up a console and game make me more invested than double clicking an .iso. Thus more likely to actually continue playing and beating that game
>the act of setting up a console and game make me more invested than double clicking an .iso.
you're no better than b***hes invested into zodiac and wiccan lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
>NO! EVERYTHING MUST BE FAKE AND DIGITAL ONLY! EAT THE BUGS!
I will eat meat and I will play real hardware. It's cheap and I have most of the stuff from my past anyway.
Get fricked.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>this piece of plastic is more real than that one
lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
>NOO! YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FAKE MEAT AND REAL MEAT!
Get fricked.
2 years ago
Anonymous
do you really believe some soulful leprechauns make your guy go when you use old hardware? i get the obsession with ceremony (hence the comparison to witches), that's as old as mankind, but I'm trying to tell you your notches on an old cartridge are really not different from being stored on an sd card AND video games are about playing them not about from where they're read and displayed on a screen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>do you really believe some soulful leprechauns
What the frick are you talking about? Stop making up strawmen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're the one talking about eating bugs in comparison to different storage carrying same material. You're fetishing one kind of plastic and silicon over other when video games are about playing them, not what they're on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You're the one talking about eating bugs
You are literally advocating that you can't tell the deal between real hardware and fake. It's an apt comparison.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well you can tell a difference between hardware, that's obvious. Shame video games are software because otherwise you might have a point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Well you can tell a difference between hardware
You just spent 10 minutes saying one piece of plastic was no different than another.
2 years ago
Anonymous
not him but he said that you worshiped one piece of plastic as if it was better than the other when both of them can execute the same function
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he said that you worshiped one piece of plastic as if it was better than the other
Exactly, he can't argue in good faith and just creates strawmen. EmuBlack folk are nearly always like this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you fricking homosexual I was not agreeing with you
I was explaining why you are a moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao you still don't get it. keep the candles on and wear your pajamas when you play old video games, that's integral to the experience.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What's wrong with eating crickets? You're a mindless NPC
2 years ago
Anonymous
So, you can't get invested into a video game unless the game requires you to jump through hoops to actually play it?
Sounds very moronic.
>hooking up console to CRT >grabbing the game and controller off the shelf >putting the game in the console >making sure you have the right memory card plugged in >pressing a button to turn on the console and your game is right there
It's way more exciting compared to lazily double clicking a rom file. It's an E X P E R I E N C E
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok how about this
Every night unplug your mouse, keyboard gamepad and hdmi/dp cable and put them somewhere else away from the computer
Keep your roms in a flash drive and store that somewhere entirely too
There now you can jump through hoops to play your old games again you fricking moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
This sad homie will never understand
>hooking up console to CRT >grabbing the game and controller off the shelf >putting the game in the console >it's time to play some motherfricking games
What should I play now? I'm thinking some Airblade or maybe something new on ps2.
You do though. Play Gitaroo Man
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Already do that with my laptop
Moving the goalpost. PC gaming feels off, your shilling will fail.
>play badly designed PSX game >die to some bullshit >death animation and game over screen takes 20 seconds, reloading the save takes 20 seconds, running back to where you died takes minutes >or you could use rewind function to skip wasting time re-doing what you already played
You also completely ignored all of my other points.
>badly designed
PCoocks are so filtered by videogames that regular games with minor difficulty is badly designed? Are you a casual? You sound like the usual casual normies invading pc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You know how we always say there's things women will never understand? Your post is proof that pcgays, like women, will just never understand these little things that enthusiasts care about.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hooking up console to CRT >grabbing the game and controller off the shelf >putting the game in the console >it's time to play some motherfricking games
What should I play now? I'm thinking some Airblade or maybe something new on ps2.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I am not saying that is completely wrong. I am saying this is more outside ceremony than actual enjoyment of the game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>more outside ceremony than actual enjoyment of the game
It's kind of like watching a movie in a theater vs in your living room. Sure you're watching the same thing, but the different context gives you a different appreciation of the experience.
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's a somewhat apt comparison, but in this context you're still at your house and actually retrograding instead of amping it up. i'm not a fan of smoothing filters, just to get that out of the way, but from ps1 onwards I sure do prefer better framerates and resolution.
To me it really doesn't matter. Emulation is great for super rare games that go for astronomical prices, like Crusaders of Centy or Skies of Arcadia or Omega Boost.
Nobody is saying you can't emulate old games.
This thread is shitting on real hardware and pretending you shouldn't own anything and just download shit.
Play what you want, how you want.
I wouldn't have been able to play the Lunar games on Sega CD had it not been for emulation. Frick man, even a JP copy of Eternal Blue for the Sega/Mega CD is expensive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't even need a mod to pirate SegaCD games. Just burn the ISO to a CDR and a SegaCD will play it
>If I can play something on original hardware/controller or emulate it, I'll choose original 100% of the time
You are moronic. Take your nostalgia googles off. PS2 and ps1 have horrendous framerates in most of their games(Chrono Cross comes to my mind; the game runs below 30fps most of the time on the actual ps1) and the ps2's low resolution makes no justice to game's visuals. I swear to god, grand turismo 4 feels almost like a ps3 game if you up the resolution. I also prefer to play god hand on an emulator as well because its a smoother experience. The hardware has aged like shit, but their games have aged like a fine wine.
However, if you still want the original experience, the emulators can give you that if you play around with their settings. PCSX2 literally has the original hardware render mode of the ps2, so there is no fricking excuse
>graphichomosexual calling out nostalgia >old=bad, new=good
2 years ago
Anonymous
Read again, mongoloid. Lots of retro games are holding up pretty good and with no nostalgia glasses I tell that because I keep discovering new stuff.
However, playing them on their consoles is not the best way for me anymore. As long as an emulator is perfectly running its games with no glitches and can "enhance" them to their fullest, I see no reason going to ebay to buy the actual hardware that might be 1 playthrough away from kicking the bucket and a physical copy of the game for 4x of its original price.
Also, there is the space issue. Physical copies occupy space and I dont have a basement to store them. I have though a 2tb ssd that can fit into my pocket and has the majority of nes to ps3 games stored in it.
All these are coming from a guy that owns fully functioning retro consoles like gameboy advance,ds, ps2, ps3 and has switched to emulators for convenience
Do you have certain settings or something? Every other emulator I’ve tried works fine on my PC, but PCSX2 had consistently bad framerates on almost every game I tried.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you have the "stable" release you should replace it with nightly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What game are you trying to run? Most of the times the default hardware mode runs games just like my PS2 does(but with not that many fps drops) and I have compared it to my ps2 for proof.
Now, if you want to make the game look more modern, you need to fiddle around with the settings and see what sticks better. This is where PCSX2 has most of the problems. For example 3rd strike gets some visual artifacts if I use direct x renderer-opengl etc but since its pixelart it runs fine on the hardware mode. Upgraded godhand runs great with no visual glitches for me.
Maybe its your pc specs fault? Im on a 1660 gtx super. From what I heard switching to vulkan improves the rendering but I havent tested it yet. Also try to download the new nightly pcsx2 releases. Btw the duckstation dev is on board so I expect better compatibility with this emulator in the future
I have original hardware for almost everything since the Atari up to PS4.
I still prefer emulation as I can have it centralized on one machine. Also some of my older games (Pokemon Silver) are dead because of battery issues. Emulation is the only way to preserve these games long-term.
zoomers, to the surprise of no one, can't use emulators
at least not computer ones because it involves activities such as navigating folders and using computer programs that don't refer to themselves as apps
Dude I'm currently playing through every PS2/Gamecube game I never got around to back in the day, one after the other, completely free. If this is a meme, it's a fricking hilarious 10/10 meme.
You don't even need a computer. Everyone has a smartphone, all you need is a compatible controller. Even on apple you can sideload up to 2 apps, which is enough for retroarch and basically every retro console.
i don't really give a shit about what others do with their money
i will keep buying cheap ass pal psx games, put them on a shelf and then go back to emulate their ntsc counterparts.
i usually wait for comic conventions
or just on ebay, ordering from the cheapest
of course, you are not going to find TOMBA 2 for fricking 5€, but there's a lot of very common, decent stuff for cheap
>i like the cases and the manuals
That's the equivalent of buying food for the wrapping
2 years ago
Anonymous
>food analogy
You fricked up, that one doesn't work.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're not supposed to eat the discs bro, I guess that's how so many frickers had scratched discs lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
The dude specifically said it's just for his collection. You can just mod a PS1 and play burned discs on it or go even further and mod it to work with an SD card or something. Why spend 100x more money to play the same games if all you want them for is for shelf display.
how are PAL PSX games cheap, Klonoa CIB is like €200+. i did get the Suikodens and whatnot i good time but missed out on a lot of obscure stuff like Vib Ribbon.
i usually wait for comic conventions
or just on ebay, ordering from the cheapest
of course, you are not going to find TOMBA 2 for fricking 5€, but there's a lot of very common, decent stuff for cheap
ninja gaiden black came out 26 years ago, when it came out, asteroids was 26 years old, and you would be hard pressed to find someone who wouldnt consider asteroids retro at that time
>posting some literal who website
The Metro is a newspaper not an exclusive gaming journalism site >clickbait article by journo desperate to meet his quota
"Readers feature"
It's not like the publishers or developers get the money from old games being sold in stores either. It's fine to emulate those games, it's ridiculous how much some random person charges for the physical copy now.
No,
late 2000 were literally follow the leader with all games being the same. 2010's were just loads of bad "remakes", now we are getting probably the best variety of games we've had since the early 90's. Zoomers are getting turned onto niche pc games through lets plays.
To be fair there have been 'follow the leader' games since the very beginning. The problem is that over the course of decades, the number of games in each genre rapidly declined until you were basically starved of quality RTS and platformers.
No, developers already hate risk so much all they produce is trash and garbage that's so bland and toothless it somehow rolls around to repulsive and disgusting. Playing retro games won't change shit.
People keep saying gatekeeping is bad, yet I've never seen an example of it being bad.
entire gatekeeping argument is silly because it's not like we have any power of this shit. what, someone's not gonna play a game because someone else tells them not do?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I just think that companies tweeting "it's okay to play on Easy mode :)" "gaming is for everyone :)" "we want everyone to feel empowered and safe!" doesn't help.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes and no. As I see it, it's like the "toxic fanbase" thing. No normalgay would go anywhere near these places, and they actively avoid it for various reasons ("The people there are weird" "They are racist" "They don't bend the knee to homosexuals", etc.). e-girl has a similar effect nowadays, but it's not really effective
2 years ago
Anonymous
No point of gatekeeping these days if a streamer or youtuber plays it and the influx of new people drive out the old fans.
Basically all of the things I love have been invaded to death. The only thing one can do at this point is going to small, secluded communities online and then gatekeep that
I think that's just fear mongering because PS5 was so maddeningly unavailable. On the flip-side it has lead to console exclusives being ported to PC, though.
If I can play something on original hardware/controller or emulate it, I'll choose original 100% of the time. Not even that anon, but nothing will ever beat the original. Piracy is fine for some people and that's fine, but it's not for me. 99% of the time if I pirate something the odds of me finishing it is almost 0 even if I like it, because I always feel like I would enjoy it even more on original hardware even if I have to pay some amount for an actual cart/disc.
Beyond based. Emulation nowadays is full zoomer and they can't even do it properly kek
It's free to emulate them and I don't have to deal with being asked to pay for DLC and don't have to buy characters or things in the game. I can just play the game to unlock things.
Playing them is a waste of current devs' money, because you're playing good games instead of their games.
Buying them is objectively a waste of your money. It's not like the authors are getting anything out of it. Just pirate.
The real hardware is for people who can afford it. Emulation is for poorgays. There's nothing wrong with either, when I was young I emulated most of my games, nowadays I look for original copies to play on the real hardware because I like it to feel perfect as it was intended.
Of course, because hacks that remove the slowdown and flickering sprites of 8-bit and 16-bit consoles somehow make the experience worse.
Being able to play old 3D games in high resolution, 16:9, support for any control, stable frame rate, faster loading times, etc., are also things that only deteriorate the experience. The right thing is to play at 20 fps on real hardware that has 1 hundredth of the processing power of any smartphone.
There's a sense of purity and community in playing these games as they were on release day. You can play the game with things patched out, but when people start talking about that game you're nothing but an outsider if patched out the things that made people's experiences relatable.
Kinda. I mean think about it: what positives does the public refocusing on retro games actually give you? You have an extremely small chance that the developer will either release or endorse a new update or remaster that makes it work on modern system or to modern standards for a reasonable price or even free. It's not like it hasn't happened--Phantom Dust, Star Wars Battlefront 2, Guilty Gear XX +R, Worms Armageddon, Unreal, Kao the Kangaroo, etc. etc.--but it's extremely uncommon.
What does it usually get you? Fukken gouging and exploitation. Massively overpriced collections of games previously sold for $5 a pop. Collector's Editions filled with mediocre swag for hundreds of dollars. Shitty re-releases like Piko's """PC""" version of 40 Winks and Glover, with the former being the PS1 version poorly repackaged in an emulator and the latter not only has more glitches than the original, but the originally promised 60FPS has to be enabled in an obfuscated config and ends up speeding up the game's animations. Sometimes you get a new game that remakes the original and it's completely different, worse, and has supplanted the original in the eyes of the public/topics of discussion. You just want to stick with the old games? Great, now if you actually want the real physical copies, everyone and their grandma now wants to sell their crusty pre-owned $5 Gamestop game for $70 each. Better look forward to exclusively using flash carts and digitally-loaded ISOs.
The public going for retro games is a symptom of something being lost on the modern titles that they rather enjoy, like for example the ability of actually starting to play the game right away.
What games have you been playing lately anons? >Dungeon Siege (2003) >Age of Empires III (2005) >Star Wars: Dark Forces (1995) >Battlefield 1942 (2002)
Where did you find a dad that likes gaming? I've been searching for years yet even the most autistic hipsters don't wabt to even try playing. God I hate old men
He studied IT in late 80s, doesn't work in the industry anymore but I've had a computer at home since I can remember. He even made Doom map of his uni campus lol
I've been fricking around in Postal 2 recently. Setting people on fire, peeing in them when they're in the floor but still alive, bashing their head off with the shovel and then kicking their heads around never gets old
>A reader worries that-
So this entire article is quite literally based on a single random nobody having an opinion? Holy frick this is how low media has gotten. They're so desperate for content to make you click.
If you don't consume art from every time period rather than just your own, you are mindless. If you are "into" movies and don't watch silent films you are FAKE. If you like music yet don't listen to Bach you are FAKE. If you like looking at art yet you haven't been to a museum of antique art you are FAKE. If you like reading yet haven't read the Greeks you are FAKE. If you play video games yet don't play NES and old arcade games you are SOULLESS.
yes, since >people who made those games have 90%+ chance of not working in those companies anymore >money goes to brand hoarding publishers >incentivizes higher pricing for all titles >incentivizes rehashing old ideas endlessly >punishes new and small publishers titles as the market is flooded constantly with some titles
My biggest problem is the pricing of rereleases which often seems fricking insane, 30-50$ for half a decade or older game is a norm.
Ideally abandonware and old titles would enter public ownership and you should be able to play anything when you like, but israelites will never agree to this.
They want you to play the latest corporate shovelware brain washing, the point of Ubisoft open world style games are to train your mind to be goal oriented, not expect anything particularly interesting or spark any philosophical thought or induce free thinking and just follow directions for your next dopamine hit. Stuff like Watch Dogs 2 has the aesthetic of rebellion to trick you, the protagonists even take LSD drenched psilocybin mushrooms in one scene, but the game itself is corporate mind molding, teaching you the range of acceptable thought through the politics in the games.
well publishers definitely aren't taking less risk because of old video game if that was the case nobody would really have to worry about the sequels of certain titles
Aside from multiplayer games since older ones are usually dead, I play more 360 games on my Series X than anything else. I just find a lot of games from that era to be fun, more often feel complete, and they're also way cheaper than newer games.
By emulating I can play Sonic with widescreen and unused content, play Circle of the Moon with automatic running, play the original better Japanese versions of games like CV3, Dynamite Headdy or Contra and play Yoshi's Island without the earrape sound effects of the mouses, icicles and the fricking baby. Emulation wins every day
>This looks worse... because it JUST DOES, OKAY??
Also another thing I forgot to mention is that with emulation you can play games without any slowdown, a major improvement for games like Mega Man 3 or various snes shmups
>play Circle of the Moon with automatic running
You should start automatic running in real life, you fricking b***h. I'm going to kill you for being such a tasteless homosexual
Have you actually played the game on a shitty GBA? With emulation you can actually see what happens and with the mod you don't have to double click the d pad every time you want to move at a decent normal pace.
the experience you get from games are so streamlined nowadays, it doesn't even matter if you play a retro 'ps3' game or a new title for 70 bucks. publishers noticed this and are releasing trash remasters full price without any meaningful additions
There should be a new category to define old games post Gamecube/PS2/Xbox. I refuse to put all of those in the same category as NES/Atari/Master system/Classic arcades
Older games took risks and corporations nowadays will never innovate because everything is watered down, market researched, focus tested and player proof. There's no room for creativity in a normified mainstream gaming industry
This is why I play indie games and the AA space rather than the AAA games. There's almost no creativity in such games. The last AAA games I genuinely enjoyed were Doom 2016 and Eternal.
Jesus fricking christ I hate game journalists so god damn much it's unreal. Leave me alone and let me play my older games in peace, how the frick am I bothering this person when I've never interacted with them in my life?
Yeah. I like retro games. >They work on launch most of the time. >They don't have shitty DRM like Denuvo. >They have solid design decisions that are made with the idea that there will be no updates and a game has to be good as is instead of patched later for content and bugfixing. >Have to use visual trickery to make a game look good instead of haphazardly slapping RTX onto it and going "Here's your reflection/lighting system, go frick yourself if you have a problem with it deleting 20-60 FPS from your game and not looking great either" >Literally works on every fricking platform thanks to emulators, I can play a gamecube game on my phone if it's powerful enough which is great >Designed to be good experiences, not long grinds to appease shareholders with player retention rates
>Come into a thread based on something you don't like >Get angry at it
Why are you even here? Why did you read this? Why, after reading it, did you feel compelled to post rather than just closing the tab?
Maybe it's their fault people would rather play older games than new ones?
They should maybe play an older game themselves and try to figure out why people still like those games.
The PS1 is not retro.
The SNES is not retro.
The NES is NOT retro.
When something is retro, it is only imitative of a past style or technology, but is not the style or technology itself within its own time period. So truthfully, only games like Undertale are retro because they imitate the looks of old NES RPGs.
What people are actually referring to when they say "retro" are vintage games. The PS1, SNES and NES are VINTAGE consoles.
i grew up playing 5th-6th gen games and they're absolutely worth investing time into.
but given how expensive the games themselves are nowadays and how shitty they look on a non-CRT TV without a third-party direct hdmi cable hooked into the console, i'd support emulation outta practicality alone
filters are whatever, i don't use em but they may or may not look good depending on the game
but using the RCA composite cables through an adapter into an hdtv makes it look like you need 3 pairs of glasses just to make out the options in the system bios, let alone your character in an actual game
i also grew up on a CRT but i rarely see them anywhere nowadays
but in terms of hdtvs - or at least smaller, monitor-sized ones - they're a fricking breeze to get ahold of; i nabbed one at a thrift store for frickin 14 bucks
I think /vr/bros could give you a hand there. For me; fb marketplace worked wonders.
2 years ago
Anonymous
no need, all i'm looking for now is 2 of these guys so i can hook up my gamecube and n64 to the tv i've got i got 2 hdmi switchers goin for both my modern and retro systems but they're on power strips that can be turned off to save on the utility bill
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hyperkin
Is that brand legit?
2 years ago
Anonymous
i don't get their controllers or their retron shit but their cord i got for my PS2 is doin wonders at least
i wanna say they're significantly better than mad catz but that's a low bar
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do the background check about for confirmation. GC hd wires were specifically amazing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i'll take your word for it
i'm getting em new from a local arcade that sells secondhand games as soon as they get em back in stock
that way i don't have to worry about the shipping
The way I see it, you can thank retro gaming youtubers for making retro gaming a thing in the first place.
And frick them so hard for price gauging every older console and game for no reason at all other than encouraging idiots to buy up all stock everywhere.
>And frick them so hard for price gauging every older console and game for no reason at all other than encouraging idiots to buy up all stock everywhere.
This. If you find any info on the internet, it's a bad thing; just like the news.
Ya we need to start burning retro games, they are just too problematic, bigitod, and transphobic for our current erra, and cause too much climate change.
>sell your assets now for soon-to-be-worthless cash
Terrible advice.
is now a good time to sell my old videogames and consoles? (ps1 and gba)
shouls let them appreciate in value, good condition consoles from the 90s and 00s will only become more valuable as time marches on.
Plus keeping them means you get to play old games the proper way as God intended.
>Plus keeping them means you get to play old games the proper way as God intended
Did God intent for me to seek the light in order to play games on my gba console?
Oh no, not the heckin ceoerinos, not the goody corporate shillerinos, not the people presently laying off most of their staff after getting a big bonus while doing nothing with an IP, someone think of the corporations!
>game has been out of production for literal decades >absolutely no stock of game exists in distribution centres or warehouses >still thinks its theft when stealing something that doesn't exist
Cool but hes got it backwards- This retro wave already IS RESULT of the publishers "zero risk" policy. Which makes most new games shit and remakes of old games are often pozzed into shit too.
>encouraging publishers to take less risks
Unironically the only time a publisher has taken an actual risk in the last decade was Squenix betting on NFTs. Everyone else is a pussy who needs algorithms and focus groups to make the absolute most safe product possible to raise their Blackrock D&I score.
no argument here
but i wish triple A games had as much passion behind them as indies, cause a lot of games in the 00s had just as small a crew as the latter
The article is not talking about collecting, it's saying that people asking for backwards compatibility and ways to keep older games accessible are killing the industry
I hate to say this but the Boomer shooters that are directly influenced by retro games have been more consistent and high quality than modern releases. Just because Triple A is stuck looking backwards and literally just remaking what they put out before does not mean the rest of the industry is doing the same.
Entire genres of games aren't made anymore, and when one gets revisited on the rare occasion it's a pale imitation. New games only come in a few flavors anymore, and I'm not too fond of any of them.
Funny that they ended up making a game that looks like it was created from board meeting or algorithm.
If there are any sincere devs on that team, they're probably contemplating suicide.
I do feel like more and more these days, a big part of the market is focused on upscaling and re-releasing popular old games rather than making new ones. I think it's an interesting idea that games can hold onto their charm while becoming technologically surpassed. It means that some games will continue to be worth playing well onto the future, which suggests that at some point, there will be more games available for any particular experience you're looking for than you have time to play. So at that point, do developers just stop making new video games? Or will they keep trying to capture some unique experience that no other game has done before?
A 500 or 600 laptop could emulate everything up to gamecube and ps2 so its not like it costs that much to play retro games. Now if you want to emulate ps3 and xbox360 I suppose you might need to get something more expensive but in that case you could just buy a cheap old ps3 and put cfw on it instead.
the problem is it's extremely western centric and not representative at all when you talk about actual retro. XBox was garbage back then and nobody really gave a frick about them
I'd say it's just the beginnings of modern game designs. And things haven't evolved since. They just look slightly better. The advent of console shooters, 3d platformers (Mario 64), 3d beat em up (DmC), Morrowind and GTA3, MMOs, etc..
again, that's not my problem. only cum eating americans would mention the OG XBox as the frontline picture when it comes to retro. But thing is: the OG XBox sucked ass, it's games sucked ass and they are pretty much the fricking reason why we are in this modern-era predicament the begin with.
No. People play retro games because the concept of genre is dying, where 90% of new games are open world first person shooters or open world Assassin's Creed clones. If you want to play a hack and slash or simple, linear single player adventure game, you have to play something at least 10 years old. It's why niche developers like atlus and the Yakuza team make more money and sales each year, as they refuse to make soulless trash that confirms to modern standards.
Publishers will never take any risks, period. If they're making record profits without taking any risks, then why would they? And if they're doing bad, taking risks is, well, too risky, since it could make things much worse. It's a "dying" industry, in the sense that it's not evolving. The only part that evolves is how to minimize costs (shit like gay tracing just requires devs to put less work, so less devs to hire and offloading the costs to customers - new hardware) and maximize profits (mtx, battle pass, season pass, lgbt pass, etc.).
>If they're making record profits without taking any risks, then why would they?
Simple, everyone knows that there will be the next "Fortnite", so every big company sets aside some money for risky ventures that have no guarantee of a return, contrary to what you are saying.
Yeah, they set aside basement budgets that aren't enough to make something that creates enough hype to become something big, or on the rare chance it does, the pipeline and budget is not big enough to sustain the hype and it fades into irrelevancy as "missed opportunity".
They are a waste of money if retro games are above $30, waste of time is a completely different argument. Yes if all you want is just to display them, no if you actually play them. Collections are always a waste of time, no matter how happy it makes you feel in the moment.
There are 5 star wars games in that image alone, sad that SW used to have a ton of great games. If new games weren't so shit we wouldn't have to keep going back to classics
>Retro games are a waste of time! Don't play them! >Instead you should buy [new game]. Sure, when you buy it you don't actually own it since it's actually a digital only live service system that we'll be shutting down in 5 years so you can never touch it again, but that's fine. You don't need old thing, just keep buying new thing!
Why do emulation gays act like they can perfectly emulate games up to even the ps3? Sure there are easy games to emulate like SM64 but i cannot tell you how many problems ive faced emulating or ps2 games that just dont have a smooth emulation. To act like every game ever is easy to emulate is a larping PC troony
Its again another bunch of PC zoomers derailing the thread to feel superior instead of actually talking about old games
I wonder what line of thought that moron who wrote that had. If anything, retro games let us have some standard to hold publisher to instead of void. Without old games and with current optimization of profit we would get even worse garbage
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retro" gaming is definitely becoming more popular because most new games are trash and nobody wants to pay 60$ or more to take a chance on a game that probably fricking sucks. i mean they release half finished games and make you pay for the rest of the game as DLC ffs. or you could just replay your old favorite game that you know you will have fun with at least for a bit, and probably the game has some HD remaster at this point
modern games are simply not good. that's really it. they are not what people fell in love with back then.
i also wouldn't depict the first XBox when bringing up retro games. Microsoft is the fricking reason why everything is so mutt, shoota and shit these days. Games used to be good when japs were the dominant force in the market. The west just ruins everything.
>and is encouraging publishers to take less risks in terms of making new games
But they're doing that already?
Every video game publisher hasn't done anything risky at all and has just done safe shit for ages
I can kind've get his point. I'd love to see some big new IPs pop up instead of sequels and remasters of everything. Its not like there hasn't been any good ones contrary to Ganker's taste, but things hardly feel fresh anymore and companies seem to borrow too much off each other today for IPs to feel as fresh.
I do support remakes of older games to try and counteract this balance, such as what capcom did with RE2, 3, and now 4 just to reformat the games to a newer audience.
>Retro video games are a waste of time and money >normalgays believe this because it's "news" >they leave us alone to our niche again
130 IQ move by the journalist, can't believe you tards think this is a bad thing. This is LITERALLY the "gatekeeping" you so desire.
Indeed, feels weird to label Xbox games retro. Calling it a waste of time and money is subjective. I assume it's the 'opinion' of a zoomer which automatically invalidates it for me anyway.
If modern games weren't shit people wouldn't be turning to old ones instead.
Pretty much this. The other day I realized that I'm not playing a single modern game currently. It wasn't even on purpose.
You sound like me. All I play these days are "retro" games.
Part of me thinks new games are bad, but then another part of me wonders if I'm just old and jaded.
I think games definitely changed during mid 7th gen and never went back.
It does feel like somewhere in the last decade big companies have started acting fundamentally different.
They still act the same way like they did back then. Just more greedier than ever.
Video games used to be treated like toys to make money, the corporations didn't care about the content of them, they have learned that they can use technology to control you and now video games have become big enough to be a part of that and all of the independent artists in every medium are being ran out by corporations, we will never have another David Lynch or Martin Scorsese.
I dunno man, random independent titles sometimes come out of nowhere and do well. Minecraft is easily the best example of that, but there's others like Slay the Spire, Deep Rock Galactic, hell fricking vampire Survivors did insanely well and it looks like it took about three days to make.
There is still good stuff coming out, the Cuphead DLC recently was great, but it's less and less traditional art every year and more and more sterile corporate replacing it.
>random independent titles sometimes come out of nowhere and do well
That is not a good sign especially in this day of age where tech we have now should have brought us into a Platinum Age of gaming.
You're still stuck in that stupid mindset of thinking the level of available technology has anything to do with it. If anything better technology is worse because it just makes people stupid and lazy since they can brute force problems rather than solving them efficiently.
That's a people's problem not a tech problem.
Giving developers all the tools they need to be lazy is only going to create lazy developers, moron. You can't lead a horse to water then blame it for taking a drink. Have you ever heard the idea that restrictions breed creativity? When put under constraints, your brain will immediately set about coming up with ways to work around the restraints, and kino will emerge. In a world with no restraints there can be no creativity. Only the naive think there would be.
You think? You think facts are something that leave room for interpretation? That shit happened; gen 7 was the death of games, the cornerstone of modern videogames in every sense that only morons can't see and blame gen 8 somehow.
It wasn't like that since the beginning though, it's curious to see early 7th gen games, which have the philosophy from before, for a while there was kind of a mix of modern (COD4, Gears of War) and old (Ninja Gaiden 2, N3, Dead Rising, Folklore, Genji, etc.)
I remember at the time it seemed like the military shooter fad would never end, now we're in some kind of open world fad, but somehow it doesn't feel any different.
Not really, it was rare for games in that gen to have the dna from 6th (which had very similar dna to current ones to a fair extent) like DR. That's probabbly why you don't feel any change between; that fricking multiplat era of MoH, CoD shit was the start of the dark age.
It's the 'games are worse now'.
1990-2005 is far better than 2006-2022
I used to think like that and then I started playing old classics that I just never gave a chance back in the day and no I can tell you for sure that new games are indeed shit
You're not old, the actual boomers didn't get stuck playing Atari, they played the NES and SNES and PS1 too because the games just kept getting better, you literally saw them evolving every year
Not anymore
This. Started with the Atari and upgraded every generation and up until the PS3/360 generation things were improving (and if not improving at least changing) at a steady clip. Then it stagnated and now companies would rather figure out how to wring the most microtransactions of fools than actually making bigger and better games.
>by brand new rig with an RTX 3070 back in 2020
>still play mostly Baldur's Gate 2
I have an RX 590 myself. I figure I can keep using it for a good while, since I largely just emulate these days. The few PC games I do play all run fine on it too.
It's actually kind of nice, not feeling the pressure to have to keep up with new games and their requirements.
>RTX3060Ti
>playing through classic Castlevanias
Super is so frickin good
>build a full on balls to wall workstation
>last game i played was quake 2
>MFW I play it with RTX
Same. Currently just finished my first Morrowind playthrough after failing to get into it several times in the past. Thoroughly loved and enjoyed it this time around.
Also playing Dragon's Dogma, a 10 year old game, and Bannerlord, a game that has been getting made for 10 years.
People aren't turning to them, they're just buying them to post on tiktok.
>People aren't turning to them
If PIG wasn't shit I wouldn't need to play MW3 and 4 when 5 exists, scooter.
Gen Z aren't. Gen Y is.
The post that killed OP.
fbpb. Only normies that lack critical thinking and muh graphix coomers buy new shit
OP got fricked yet again
Bingo.
They aren’t actually playing those games, retro collecting is a commodities trade done by men in suits.
He's not talking about that scam or the price rise in relation to it. He's talking about people actually playing the games.
People play new games all the time though? Wht a dumb point
Also people have ALWAYS played older games. Pretty much during every single era of vidya.
It's a valid point in the context of the article. Stop being so needlessly confrontational.
>It's a valid point in the context of the article.
No it's not since his point is that no one plays newer games and that's why people play retro. Which isn't true since 'retro' games have literally always been popular
No it's not, the point of the article you're defending for some reason is that no one plays newer games. He was addressing that dumb argument. Stop being so obtuse.
>Thinking someone who is invested into retro games also plays them
This. When it comes to console games, I can't go above 6th gen. Everything after that is just garbage.
This, but also
this. New games are shit diluted with loot boxes, dlcs and season pass but you can easily emulate and/or pirate them. Most people buying the physical games won't never play them
This. A lot of people who buy retro stuff is just in for the collecting however you can still buy older games trough steam and gog, which is what i do and plkay them.
I avoid most of the new games because they are indeed mostly garbage filled with lootboxes and dlc. Only recently released game i bought this year was postal brain damaged and griftlands.
If modern games weren't shit, publishers wouldn't be massively remaking the old games
This.
>REEEE WHY AREN'T YOU FILTHY GOY... I MEAN INCELS BUYING NEW THINGS?!
Dogshit argument from a person who only plays AAA games.
>dude play this indie shit that imitates a good game
no one cares that you didn't play the original, zoomer.
cope
strawmanning cringe
Thread should've ended here.
THIS! 33 year old here and I just cannot stand modern gaming. I haven't liked it though in a long time. Probably by 2014 I was already largely tuned out of it. I see plenty of good games today but its nowhere like how it was back then. Too much trash that doesn't deserve to even be a thing. Also a lot of these modern games take time before they reach their best since almost all of them have so much download content. So its best to wait for many of them so you get the full experience.
Honestly things were just a lot easier back then to get into. I think online gaming is the primary culprit of destroying gaming today.
fpbp
Thanks to modern day emulation it's so incredibly accessible and customizable that I haven't touched a single modern game outside of elden ring. Even went so far as to get my hands on a really good CRT (for free, thanks to a local television broadcast station that didn't want it anymore) and I've been having a blast playing all kinds of cool games that I've never played or heard of before.
So many good games, all for (mostly) free. The modern game company absolutely seethes at my existence.
They don't take any of my time nor money, so no.
Oh, its so risky, that even Sony selling them five times for their slaves.
But aren't Nintendo's biggest announcements in 2022 ports and remakes?
Publishers haven't been taking risks for the past 15 years or so, and somehow that's now the fault of retro games? New games are dogshit, old games are good. That's all there is to it.
>New games are dogshit, old games are good. That's all there is to it.
To be fair, they are most often trying their darnest to turn the old good games into shit too with these re/whatevers.
No, whoever wrote that shit is fricking moronic.
As long as you have, say, a fricking computer. You can get into retro gaming as long as it isn't a fricking Chromebook for FREE. There is nothing wrong with going back to play the good ol oldies, especially if modern games fail to exceed their predecessors.
>emulation meme
How is emulation a meme?
It's not, he's a gay moron. Most games from before ps1/N64 run perfect emulated. Most games after run well enough that why the frick are you splitting hairs about shaders loading right or whatever, just go play the game and have fun instead of being an autist.
>telling someone with autism not to be an autist
>supports emulators over actual hardware
>calls others gay moron
Did I say it's better than the hardware? It is better than the hardware though because the hardware has degraded and you have to baby it and waste money acquiring it and the games. Frick original hardware. moron.
>It is better than the hardware though
moron
>he shills consumer console hardware made at least a decade ago to literally the lowest specification and quality possible that will break after a year or two of use
just use a controller if you need to be so pretentious about this
>wanting the real deal
>pretentious
I hate you Gen-Z guys so much
>mmh yes I use the real shit waggle controller and 480p resolution on a crt I'm not pretentious I just want the true experience *sniff a rail of crt screen glass* ah yeah that's the stuff
There's definitely something to be said about the experience as opposed to the raw abstraction. Emulating on PC is technically playing the game, but it doesn't feel the same as using original hardware.
That's just nostalgiahomosexualery though. That's fun for 5 minutes like "oh yeah I member" but then it just collects dust since it's just more convenient to use the modern hardware.
>but it doesn't feel the same
that's again a you problem. if game is fun it's fun. just because you have to channel 12 year old you to have fun doesn't mean everyone else is like this
>if game is fun it's fun.
This is what makes not a (you) problem, rather a (you) thing; DMC3 on pc is hell, even the PS2 was better despite the hardware (which didn't show in this particular game anyway). Not everyone likes to play videogames with a typewriter. And don't dare to try to move the goalpost with shitpot like >lol just use a controller. Because those aren't pc's control scheme but a console.
the frick am I reading
>And don't dare to try to move the goalpost with shitpot like >lol just use a controller. Because those aren't pc's control scheme but a console.
lol why? because you can't use a k+m on a console? I can play dmc3 on pc, using a controller, the end.
>And don't dare to try to move the goalpost with shitpot like >lol just use a controller
"You're not allowed to use gamepads while emulating" has got to be the most insane and moronic cope I've seen from tech illiterate teens.
>"You're not allowed to use gamepads while emulating"
>implying
You can. Being the default way is a big, long way which is the shitpost they do assuming it. If a peripheral is to be acknoledged as the default control method might as well count the GC bongos as the real gc controller.
That's rather ironic.
it is if you don't understand it. Are you ESL or autistic, why can't you follow your own conversation? Too much cum and plastic in your gut?
That's a bigger irony.
Little b***h boy
Get over yourself, Black person. I play all games with KB+M if possible (played Dark Souls and DMC4 with KB+M) but I switch to a controller if keyboard controls are fricked
Typical pcgay edgelords. Ok, Nvidia or amd?
What were those goalposts you were talking about?
Whichever components are the best
I got a Geforce and a Ryzen
I don't know; don't have any or care about corporate overlords.
Nice blog but didn't ask.
>Does that make you mad?
Not at all, but why you're posting like one?
>completely gives up on his argument and resorts to winning "in the moment"
ya good job saving face little b***h boy, I'm sure all the goldfish will forget about your shitiotic posts that you made literally 5-10 minutes ago. Maybe you can b***h about grammar next
>greentext assuming bullshit
it's literally what happened little b***h boy, move some more goalposts. What's next, I'm wrong cuz you got a big stretched out butthole? little b***h boy
>I'm wrong cuz you got a big stretched out butthole?
You're wrong because you express like a drooling baboon instead of like a proper man.
No argument, huh little b***h boy? Sometimes I play games with both gamepad and kb+m. I drive with a gamepad in GTA and use kb+m for on foot. Does that make you mad? Little homosexual b***h with nothing to show for it? Little b***h c**t made himself look stupid in front of anonymous posters, now he's gotta scramble for more straws to grab. Little b***h boy. I own some of the consoles I emulate, does that make you mad little b***h boy? You only own things your mom lets you own, like your cut wiener, little homosexual. Your parents paid money to mutilate your dick and now you've got PTSD.
Not him but
>I drive with a gamepad in GTA
Why? It's not like the driving needs analog inputs given how arcadey it is
I don't really like on/off inputs for things like driving. Even if it doesn't matter I don't like how jerky driving a car with WASD is. You can't make any smooth turns or accelerate/break smoothly.
I'll even use a gamepad for some games where walk speed has a gradiant rather than just walk/run/stop
CONSOLEKEK MUTTOIDS LITERALLY DESTROYED WITH THIS BASED POST
Stupid little homosexual b***h can't use KB+M and doesn't know how to emulate so now he's cuckfending (cuckold-defending) the dumbass business practices his corporate overloards inflict on him and are only able to do so because dumb homosexual morons like you don't know any better. What's it like to be wrong stupid little b***h c**t? I'll kill you. *tears your head off and ejaculates down your neck*
>overloards
hey whats up b***h *kills u again*
This fricking zoomer has never used a computer before lmfao
The frick
you want the real deal of long abandoned hardware despite the modern hardware being basically free, convenient and more functional
what is the difference between you and those homosexual collectors of old cars, cards etc
you're being a pretentious gay by acting like it diminishes your experience
Reminder that most people who collect random old things like trading cards do it because they're non-taxable assets so they get to pretend they're in a lower tax bracket than they are 🙂
>that will break after a year or two of use
You know when you say really specific shit like this it makes it obvious you're clueless and just making up stuff about the subject matter, right? Because it's not true.
It's like if you started talking about "jet mode" in cars. Everyone would know you've never been in a frickin car before cuz there's no "jet mode" in a car. My N64 is 25 years old and still works fine.
>why the frick are you splitting hairs about shaders loading right or whateve
because it's distracting. A common fault in old PS1 emulators was not rendering weapon effects in symphony of the night. "LOL, who cares, just play it and have fun!", yeah, when I can't see the bible spin around the character I can't aim it, when I can't see the bosses attack I can't dodge it. Even if the shader on your modern RPCS3 is just ugly, there's always the nagging doubt that maybe you are missing more than a wall texture, maybe you're stuck because you can't see what you need to see?
But, hey, given that 99% of entries in an emulator's compatibility database are made by people who have never played more than 15minutes of any game, maybe it doesn't fricking matter if the shaders are wrong when your average emulator user is never going to get to King Boo or the inverted castle...
I had that issue with MGS1 footprints that looked like black rectangles on the ground, but I messed around with duckstation settings and fixed that. I have come to conclusion that 99% of the people that hate emulation are those who can into settings and expect to download the game and play it instantly
And who are those "IP holders"?
If I can play something on original hardware/controller or emulate it, I'll choose original 100% of the time. Not even that anon, but nothing will ever beat the original. Piracy is fine for some people and that's fine, but it's not for me. 99% of the time if I pirate something the odds of me finishing it is almost 0 even if I like it, because I always feel like I would enjoy it even more on original hardware even if I have to pay some amount for an actual cart/disc.
>nothing will ever beat the original
Emulators surpassed original hardware over a decade ago. Higher render resolution, CPU overclock option to get higher and more stable framerates, ability to speed up loading screens, savestates to circumvent bad game designs in some games of that era.
>Emulators surpassed original
That's just wrong
>CPU overclock
lol
(You)
Original hardware will ALWAYS surpass emulation.
>Original hardware will ALWAYS surpass emulation.
lol
- Save States
- Fan patches to fix bugs
- Widescreen support patches
- Inbuilt cheats if you want to use those
- Graphical mods such as custom shaders
- Ability to play games long after original hardware or game storage dies out.
>no argument
>didn't refute any of my points
>no argument
I mean, it's not really an argument I'm just pointing and laughing at morons.
How the frick am I going to convince russian/latin americans the original hardware is good when they have never even seen it?
I gave you solid arguments why emulators surpassed the original hardware.
You gave no arguments why original hardware is better other than "it's better because it always is".
You're just another dumb purists who's stuck living in the past.
>I gave you solid arguments
>savestates to cheat
>solid arguments
lol
>play badly designed PSX game
>die to some bullshit
>death animation and game over screen takes 20 seconds, reloading the save takes 20 seconds, running back to where you died takes minutes
>or you could use rewind function to skip wasting time re-doing what you already played
You also completely ignored all of my other points.
>play badly designed games
What? Your entire argument is you can play terrible games like Superman 64?
Who cares? What kind of argument is this?
>you're only allowed to play games with good designs
>you're supposed to know ahead of time if a game has good design or not
Still waiting for you to tacke any of my other points.
You can play shitty games if you want just don't pretend this is some selling point for emulators.
>you're supposed to know ahead of time if a game has good design or not
You just cheat preemptively on all games huh?
That's a big if, you know. Works for some or even many games, but then there are also a bunch that are either incredibly expensive or just incredibly hard to get. For example I'd like to play DQ5, but it's pretty hard to get. Looking it up, I can see a relatively cheap offer for just 90€, what a steal.
I understand some classics or obscure stuff is pricey, but it just depends. Like I said, piracy is whatever, do what you need to do. However in my anecdotal experience things I -want- to play isn't like that. It's not like I'm dying to play something like Little Samson or Cheetahmen 52 or w/e that the cost of entry is just too stupid to care. For example I just recently got all 3 of the PS2 DMC games for my girlfriend for less than ~$15 and we can play them on original hardware/controller.
I prefer original hardware because the act of setting up a console and game make me more invested than double clicking an .iso. Thus more likely to actually continue playing and beating that game
>the act of setting up a console and game make me more invested than double clicking an .iso.
you're no better than b***hes invested into zodiac and wiccan lmao
>NO! EVERYTHING MUST BE FAKE AND DIGITAL ONLY! EAT THE BUGS!
I will eat meat and I will play real hardware. It's cheap and I have most of the stuff from my past anyway.
Get fricked.
>this piece of plastic is more real than that one
lmao
>NOO! YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FAKE MEAT AND REAL MEAT!
Get fricked.
do you really believe some soulful leprechauns make your guy go when you use old hardware? i get the obsession with ceremony (hence the comparison to witches), that's as old as mankind, but I'm trying to tell you your notches on an old cartridge are really not different from being stored on an sd card AND video games are about playing them not about from where they're read and displayed on a screen.
>do you really believe some soulful leprechauns
What the frick are you talking about? Stop making up strawmen.
You're the one talking about eating bugs in comparison to different storage carrying same material. You're fetishing one kind of plastic and silicon over other when video games are about playing them, not what they're on.
>You're the one talking about eating bugs
You are literally advocating that you can't tell the deal between real hardware and fake. It's an apt comparison.
Well you can tell a difference between hardware, that's obvious. Shame video games are software because otherwise you might have a point.
>Well you can tell a difference between hardware
You just spent 10 minutes saying one piece of plastic was no different than another.
not him but he said that you worshiped one piece of plastic as if it was better than the other when both of them can execute the same function
>he said that you worshiped one piece of plastic as if it was better than the other
Exactly, he can't argue in good faith and just creates strawmen. EmuBlack folk are nearly always like this.
No you fricking homosexual I was not agreeing with you
I was explaining why you are a moron
lmao you still don't get it. keep the candles on and wear your pajamas when you play old video games, that's integral to the experience.
What's wrong with eating crickets? You're a mindless NPC
>hooking up console to CRT
>grabbing the game and controller off the shelf
>putting the game in the console
>making sure you have the right memory card plugged in
>pressing a button to turn on the console and your game is right there
It's way more exciting compared to lazily double clicking a rom file. It's an E X P E R I E N C E
Ok how about this
Every night unplug your mouse, keyboard gamepad and hdmi/dp cable and put them somewhere else away from the computer
Keep your roms in a flash drive and store that somewhere entirely too
There now you can jump through hoops to play your old games again you fricking moron
This sad homie will never understand
You do though. Play Gitaroo Man
>Already do that with my laptop
Moving the goalpost. PC gaming feels off, your shilling will fail.
>badly designed
PCoocks are so filtered by videogames that regular games with minor difficulty is badly designed? Are you a casual? You sound like the usual casual normies invading pc.
You know how we always say there's things women will never understand? Your post is proof that pcgays, like women, will just never understand these little things that enthusiasts care about.
>hooking up console to CRT
>grabbing the game and controller off the shelf
>putting the game in the console
>it's time to play some motherfricking games
What should I play now? I'm thinking some Airblade or maybe something new on ps2.
I am not saying that is completely wrong. I am saying this is more outside ceremony than actual enjoyment of the game.
>more outside ceremony than actual enjoyment of the game
It's kind of like watching a movie in a theater vs in your living room. Sure you're watching the same thing, but the different context gives you a different appreciation of the experience.
that's a somewhat apt comparison, but in this context you're still at your house and actually retrograding instead of amping it up. i'm not a fan of smoothing filters, just to get that out of the way, but from ps1 onwards I sure do prefer better framerates and resolution.
there is treatment for ADHD buddy
you don't have to live like this
Swing and a miss.
Emulators are more suited for people with ADHD
Really? I always end up looking something else up while emulating, then completely forgetting about the game I was playing.
So, you can't get invested into a video game unless the game requires you to jump through hoops to actually play it?
Sounds very moronic.
Sounds like ADD
Just download a few games instead of the whole library and don't ever start more than a couple games at the same time
To me it really doesn't matter. Emulation is great for super rare games that go for astronomical prices, like Crusaders of Centy or Skies of Arcadia or Omega Boost.
Nobody is saying you can't emulate old games.
This thread is shitting on real hardware and pretending you shouldn't own anything and just download shit.
Play what you want, how you want.
I wouldn't have been able to play the Lunar games on Sega CD had it not been for emulation. Frick man, even a JP copy of Eternal Blue for the Sega/Mega CD is expensive.
You don't even need a mod to pirate SegaCD games. Just burn the ISO to a CDR and a SegaCD will play it
>If I can play something on original hardware/controller or emulate it, I'll choose original 100% of the time
You are moronic. Take your nostalgia googles off. PS2 and ps1 have horrendous framerates in most of their games(Chrono Cross comes to my mind; the game runs below 30fps most of the time on the actual ps1) and the ps2's low resolution makes no justice to game's visuals. I swear to god, grand turismo 4 feels almost like a ps3 game if you up the resolution. I also prefer to play god hand on an emulator as well because its a smoother experience. The hardware has aged like shit, but their games have aged like a fine wine.
However, if you still want the original experience, the emulators can give you that if you play around with their settings. PCSX2 literally has the original hardware render mode of the ps2, so there is no fricking excuse
>graphichomosexual calling out nostalgia
>old=bad, new=good
Read again, mongoloid. Lots of retro games are holding up pretty good and with no nostalgia glasses I tell that because I keep discovering new stuff.
However, playing them on their consoles is not the best way for me anymore. As long as an emulator is perfectly running its games with no glitches and can "enhance" them to their fullest, I see no reason going to ebay to buy the actual hardware that might be 1 playthrough away from kicking the bucket and a physical copy of the game for 4x of its original price.
Also, there is the space issue. Physical copies occupy space and I dont have a basement to store them. I have though a 2tb ssd that can fit into my pocket and has the majority of nes to ps3 games stored in it.
All these are coming from a guy that owns fully functioning retro consoles like gameboy advance,ds, ps2, ps3 and has switched to emulators for convenience
But I like my nostalgia glasses
and that's at least honest
>implying PCSX2 doesn’t run like shit
Runs fine for me lol.
Do you have certain settings or something? Every other emulator I’ve tried works fine on my PC, but PCSX2 had consistently bad framerates on almost every game I tried.
If you have the "stable" release you should replace it with nightly.
What game are you trying to run? Most of the times the default hardware mode runs games just like my PS2 does(but with not that many fps drops) and I have compared it to my ps2 for proof.
Now, if you want to make the game look more modern, you need to fiddle around with the settings and see what sticks better. This is where PCSX2 has most of the problems. For example 3rd strike gets some visual artifacts if I use direct x renderer-opengl etc but since its pixelart it runs fine on the hardware mode. Upgraded godhand runs great with no visual glitches for me.
Maybe its your pc specs fault? Im on a 1660 gtx super. From what I heard switching to vulkan improves the rendering but I havent tested it yet. Also try to download the new nightly pcsx2 releases. Btw the duckstation dev is on board so I expect better compatibility with this emulator in the future
Most people don’t have whatever brain disorder you’re suffering from.
I get it. I enjoy the original feel.
Yes that means not using that HD shit on Nocturne or KH
>99% of the time if I pirate something the odds of me finishing it is almost 0 even if I like it
Sounds like you're just an idiot
I have original hardware for almost everything since the Atari up to PS4.
I still prefer emulation as I can have it centralized on one machine. Also some of my older games (Pokemon Silver) are dead because of battery issues. Emulation is the only way to preserve these games long-term.
zoomers, to the surprise of no one, can't use emulators
at least not computer ones because it involves activities such as navigating folders and using computer programs that don't refer to themselves as apps
Original hardware is always better
Dude I'm currently playing through every PS2/Gamecube game I never got around to back in the day, one after the other, completely free. If this is a meme, it's a fricking hilarious 10/10 meme.
You can run emulators just fine on ChromeOS. Lmao.
You don't even need a computer. Everyone has a smartphone, all you need is a compatible controller. Even on apple you can sideload up to 2 apps, which is enough for retroarch and basically every retro console.
>op image is OG Xbox games
>just emulate brah
i don't really give a shit about what others do with their money
i will keep buying cheap ass pal psx games, put them on a shelf and then go back to emulate their ntsc counterparts.
>being proud of buying PSX games from ebay scalpers
i can get them for less than 5€ each, delivery included
pal games are VERY cheap in europe
where do you buy them?
i usually wait for comic conventions
or just on ebay, ordering from the cheapest
of course, you are not going to find TOMBA 2 for fricking 5€, but there's a lot of very common, decent stuff for cheap
>PAL
No shit they are cheap,they are the definitive inferior version between the three NTSC/JP/PAL
i like the cases and the manuals
as far as actually playing the games is concerned, better options exist
>i like the cases and the manuals
That's the equivalent of buying food for the wrapping
>food analogy
You fricked up, that one doesn't work.
You're not supposed to eat the discs bro, I guess that's how so many frickers had scratched discs lol
The dude specifically said it's just for his collection. You can just mod a PS1 and play burned discs on it or go even further and mod it to work with an SD card or something. Why spend 100x more money to play the same games if all you want them for is for shelf display.
how are PAL PSX games cheap, Klonoa CIB is like €200+. i did get the Suikodens and whatnot i good time but missed out on a lot of obscure stuff like Vib Ribbon.
>retro
>xbox
thanks hiro
Ninja Gaiden Black came out 26 years ago
still a modern 3d formula
That doesn’t matter. Retro will always be anything prior to the N64/PSX/Saturn era.
ninja gaiden black came out 26 years ago, when it came out, asteroids was 26 years old, and you would be hard pressed to find someone who wouldnt consider asteroids retro at that time
>ninja gaiden black came out 26 years
>Initial release date: September 20, 2005
>Xbox came out in 1996
wot
Yes goy, ONLY buy new releases. Gotta keep that wheel churning. Don't even think about not giving publishers the money they're entitled to.
>posting some literal who website
>clickbait article by journo desperate to meet his quota
frick off moron
>posting some literal who website
The Metro is a newspaper not an exclusive gaming journalism site
>clickbait article by journo desperate to meet his quota
"Readers feature"
Black person are you stupid?
If anyone lets it out that this is what they do as a job, I'll break their nose on the spot.
Money yes but not time
You can still have fun playing but buying hardware is a moronic fetish thing
Just emulate
>t. moron
imagine calling someone else a moron while pretending that buying hardware so obsolete that a phone can emulate it is somehow a good decision
>touch controls
>PC emulators don't exist
How is it a waste of money when emulators and ROMs are free?
It's not like the publishers or developers get the money from old games being sold in stores either. It's fine to emulate those games, it's ridiculous how much some random person charges for the physical copy now.
No,
late 2000 were literally follow the leader with all games being the same. 2010's were just loads of bad "remakes", now we are getting probably the best variety of games we've had since the early 90's. Zoomers are getting turned onto niche pc games through lets plays.
To be fair there have been 'follow the leader' games since the very beginning. The problem is that over the course of decades, the number of games in each genre rapidly declined until you were basically starved of quality RTS and platformers.
mid 2000 was already "we need ww2 fps now!" phase
>now we are getting probably the best variety of games we've had since the early 90's.
lol
lmao even
indies are trash mostly
No, developers already hate risk so much all they produce is trash and garbage that's so bland and toothless it somehow rolls around to repulsive and disgusting. Playing retro games won't change shit.
Videogame market crash 2.0 when
Never. Only thing that could crash is the AAA branch.
One can only hope that vidya and anime go back to "ew, only nerds and weirdos do that", but it seems impossible at this point
>"ew, only nerds and weirdos do that"
What falls into this category currently?
comics
Mecha
In my book, that's one of the Chadlands.
Hopefully all of this has taught you to gatekeep the frick out of things you love.
People keep saying gatekeeping is bad, yet I've never seen an example of it being bad.
Time, no. Money, yes. Current games are objectively bad.
Not at all possible with the internet era.
entire gatekeeping argument is silly because it's not like we have any power of this shit. what, someone's not gonna play a game because someone else tells them not do?
I just think that companies tweeting "it's okay to play on Easy mode :)" "gaming is for everyone :)" "we want everyone to feel empowered and safe!" doesn't help.
Yes and no. As I see it, it's like the "toxic fanbase" thing. No normalgay would go anywhere near these places, and they actively avoid it for various reasons ("The people there are weird" "They are racist" "They don't bend the knee to homosexuals", etc.). e-girl has a similar effect nowadays, but it's not really effective
No point of gatekeeping these days if a streamer or youtuber plays it and the influx of new people drive out the old fans.
Basically all of the things I love have been invaded to death. The only thing one can do at this point is going to small, secluded communities online and then gatekeep that
I think that's just fear mongering because PS5 was so maddeningly unavailable. On the flip-side it has lead to console exclusives being ported to PC, though.
>Please buy or new shit!
Yeah, that was what anon meant.
Beyond based. Emulation nowadays is full zoomer and they can't even do it properly kek
when sony and nintendo die and even then it won't matter because we have computers. just like last time.
The point is to make AAA Black folk frick off, so that'd be good. Mostly passionate people making vidya
just don't buy AAA lol. we're at point where these worlds are completely disjointed and means of distribution would stay intact.
That is true. I'll just keep pirating and emulating, then
Yes, now stop looking for and playing these horrible retro games.
>waste of money
correct. you're much better off pirating them instead.
It's free to emulate them and I don't have to deal with being asked to pay for DLC and don't have to buy characters or things in the game. I can just play the game to unlock things.
Yes. Take the emulation pill. Only buy physical classic games if they're cheap. I own a bunch of $2 GBA games.
Oh yeah bro I can't wait for the new innovative entry in the Assassin's Creed series, maybe this time they will do it in Japan????
Playing them is a waste of current devs' money, because you're playing good games instead of their games.
Buying them is objectively a waste of your money. It's not like the authors are getting anything out of it. Just pirate.
>retro gaming is becoming more mainstream
yeah I wonder why
no cheevos, no play.
t. 40 year old chad
>t. 40 year old chad
You are no chad, you are just a sodomized and brain wired monkey, you are just a sheep with addiction.
t. OCD
https://retroachievements.org/
That's like saying it's a waste of time to watch old movies and read old books.
>nooo, stop buying games on the aftermarket and pre-order $70 disney games instead
I hate modern games, seen redditors excited over Bioware after they went to shit or crap like Borderlands 3 makes me sick.
It’s just PS2, OG Xbox and Atari that are a waste of time and money.
Nintendo games aged like wine.
kys tendie
Dumb brazilian homosexual
OLD BAD
NEW GOOD
The real hardware is for people who can afford it. Emulation is for poorgays. There's nothing wrong with either, when I was young I emulated most of my games, nowadays I look for original copies to play on the real hardware because I like it to feel perfect as it was intended.
Of course, because hacks that remove the slowdown and flickering sprites of 8-bit and 16-bit consoles somehow make the experience worse.
Being able to play old 3D games in high resolution, 16:9, support for any control, stable frame rate, faster loading times, etc., are also things that only deteriorate the experience. The right thing is to play at 20 fps on real hardware that has 1 hundredth of the processing power of any smartphone.
There's a sense of purity and community in playing these games as they were on release day. You can play the game with things patched out, but when people start talking about that game you're nothing but an outsider if patched out the things that made people's experiences relatable.
don't ask question
consume product
get excited for next product
Kinda. I mean think about it: what positives does the public refocusing on retro games actually give you? You have an extremely small chance that the developer will either release or endorse a new update or remaster that makes it work on modern system or to modern standards for a reasonable price or even free. It's not like it hasn't happened--Phantom Dust, Star Wars Battlefront 2, Guilty Gear XX +R, Worms Armageddon, Unreal, Kao the Kangaroo, etc. etc.--but it's extremely uncommon.
What does it usually get you? Fukken gouging and exploitation. Massively overpriced collections of games previously sold for $5 a pop. Collector's Editions filled with mediocre swag for hundreds of dollars. Shitty re-releases like Piko's """PC""" version of 40 Winks and Glover, with the former being the PS1 version poorly repackaged in an emulator and the latter not only has more glitches than the original, but the originally promised 60FPS has to be enabled in an obfuscated config and ends up speeding up the game's animations. Sometimes you get a new game that remakes the original and it's completely different, worse, and has supplanted the original in the eyes of the public/topics of discussion. You just want to stick with the old games? Great, now if you actually want the real physical copies, everyone and their grandma now wants to sell their crusty pre-owned $5 Gamestop game for $70 each. Better look forward to exclusively using flash carts and digitally-loaded ISOs.
The public going for retro games is a symptom of something being lost on the modern titles that they rather enjoy, like for example the ability of actually starting to play the game right away.
What games have you been playing lately anons?
>Dungeon Siege (2003)
>Age of Empires III (2005)
>Star Wars: Dark Forces (1995)
>Battlefield 1942 (2002)
I've came home to help dad renovate kitchen so it's been Worms World Party with him and mom for past week. I don't think he'll ever outgrow that game.
Where did you find a dad that likes gaming? I've been searching for years yet even the most autistic hipsters don't wabt to even try playing. God I hate old men
He studied IT in late 80s, doesn't work in the industry anymore but I've had a computer at home since I can remember. He even made Doom map of his uni campus lol
>He even made Doom map of his uni campus lol
Try doing that now then telling your school teacher about it.
I've been fricking around in Postal 2 recently. Setting people on fire, peeing in them when they're in the floor but still alive, bashing their head off with the shovel and then kicking their heads around never gets old
Im playing Abe's Exodus these days and Splinter cell pandora tomorrow on my freshly hacked ps3
I've been on a JRPG binge the past month.
>Lunar: Silver Star Story
>Lunar: Eternal Blue
>Lunar: The Silver Star
>Grandia
Next is Grandia II, then Wild Arms 5, then Wild Arms 1. After that, probably replay Spyro 1 and Klonoa: Door to Phantomile.
I'm playing Haunting Ground.
hey me too
First time I've seen dungeon siege mentioned on Ganker granted I don't lurk that often. Very based taste my sir
>Video game journalism
Truly the most useless profession in the World
I read the article, and the shit taste moron does have a point here. The remake pandemic should end as soon as possible
He doesn't have a point, the sequel era has lasted far longer than the lazy remake era.
>A reader worries that-
So this entire article is quite literally based on a single random nobody having an opinion? Holy frick this is how low media has gotten. They're so desperate for content to make you click.
If you don't consume art from every time period rather than just your own, you are mindless. If you are "into" movies and don't watch silent films you are FAKE. If you like music yet don't listen to Bach you are FAKE. If you like looking at art yet you haven't been to a museum of antique art you are FAKE. If you like reading yet haven't read the Greeks you are FAKE. If you play video games yet don't play NES and old arcade games you are SOULLESS.
yes, since
>people who made those games have 90%+ chance of not working in those companies anymore
>money goes to brand hoarding publishers
>incentivizes higher pricing for all titles
>incentivizes rehashing old ideas endlessly
>punishes new and small publishers titles as the market is flooded constantly with some titles
My biggest problem is the pricing of rereleases which often seems fricking insane, 30-50$ for half a decade or older game is a norm.
Ideally abandonware and old titles would enter public ownership and you should be able to play anything when you like, but israelites will never agree to this.
>buy re-releases on steam
>publishers make more of them
great
Also, Way of the Samurai/Ninja PS2 Collection when?
He is both right and wrong. Everything is a waste of money and time. Not only games.
And by the retro games. People go to them because gaming today is dead. All new games are incomplete shit.
They want you to play the latest corporate shovelware brain washing, the point of Ubisoft open world style games are to train your mind to be goal oriented, not expect anything particularly interesting or spark any philosophical thought or induce free thinking and just follow directions for your next dopamine hit. Stuff like Watch Dogs 2 has the aesthetic of rebellion to trick you, the protagonists even take LSD drenched psilocybin mushrooms in one scene, but the game itself is corporate mind molding, teaching you the range of acceptable thought through the politics in the games.
well publishers definitely aren't taking less risk because of old video game if that was the case nobody would really have to worry about the sequels of certain titles
Aside from multiplayer games since older ones are usually dead, I play more 360 games on my Series X than anything else. I just find a lot of games from that era to be fun, more often feel complete, and they're also way cheaper than newer games.
By emulating I can play Sonic with widescreen and unused content, play Circle of the Moon with automatic running, play the original better Japanese versions of games like CV3, Dynamite Headdy or Contra and play Yoshi's Island without the earrape sound effects of the mouses, icicles and the fricking baby. Emulation wins every day
>By emulating I can play Sonic with widescreen
Get out.
>This looks worse... because it JUST DOES, OKAY??
Also another thing I forgot to mention is that with emulation you can play games without any slowdown, a major improvement for games like Mega Man 3 or various snes shmups
>play Circle of the Moon with automatic running
You should start automatic running in real life, you fricking b***h. I'm going to kill you for being such a tasteless homosexual
Have you actually played the game on a shitty GBA? With emulation you can actually see what happens and with the mod you don't have to double click the d pad every time you want to move at a decent normal pace.
the experience you get from games are so streamlined nowadays, it doesn't even matter if you play a retro 'ps3' game or a new title for 70 bucks. publishers noticed this and are releasing trash remasters full price without any meaningful additions
>Retro PS3 game
ps3 is 16 years old
There should be a new category to define old games post Gamecube/PS2/Xbox. I refuse to put all of those in the same category as NES/Atari/Master system/Classic arcades
I just feel like every single AAA game now is aimed at the people who watch Marvel movies.
it is
I have the complete opposite opinion
Older games took risks and corporations nowadays will never innovate because everything is watered down, market researched, focus tested and player proof. There's no room for creativity in a normified mainstream gaming industry
This is why I play indie games and the AA space rather than the AAA games. There's almost no creativity in such games. The last AAA games I genuinely enjoyed were Doom 2016 and Eternal.
>PLEASE BUY GAMES THAT MAKE MY INVESTORS MONEY
Jesus fricking christ I hate game journalists so god damn much it's unreal. Leave me alone and let me play my older games in peace, how the frick am I bothering this person when I've never interacted with them in my life?
Yeah. I like retro games.
>They work on launch most of the time.
>They don't have shitty DRM like Denuvo.
>They have solid design decisions that are made with the idea that there will be no updates and a game has to be good as is instead of patched later for content and bugfixing.
>Have to use visual trickery to make a game look good instead of haphazardly slapping RTX onto it and going "Here's your reflection/lighting system, go frick yourself if you have a problem with it deleting 20-60 FPS from your game and not looking great either"
>Literally works on every fricking platform thanks to emulators, I can play a gamecube game on my phone if it's powerful enough which is great
>Designed to be good experiences, not long grinds to appease shareholders with player retention rates
>Come into a thread based on something you don't like
>Get angry at it
Why are you even here? Why did you read this? Why, after reading it, did you feel compelled to post rather than just closing the tab?
Because if you say nothing these moronic opinions become normalized.
risks in game development = another 3rd person cinematic movie game that promotes homosexualry and race mixing
Maybe it's their fault people would rather play older games than new ones?
They should maybe play an older game themselves and try to figure out why people still like those games.
The PS1 is not retro.
The SNES is not retro.
The NES is NOT retro.
When something is retro, it is only imitative of a past style or technology, but is not the style or technology itself within its own time period. So truthfully, only games like Undertale are retro because they imitate the looks of old NES RPGs.
What people are actually referring to when they say "retro" are vintage games. The PS1, SNES and NES are VINTAGE consoles.
so every remake is retro?
Are the new Atari games retro?
Trying to hide how modern gaming cucks players in ways the old games didn't.
I hate how the world treats gamers. We're pretty much on the same level as blacks in the southern US.
Retro vidya should all be preserved digitally. Collector sois are indeed a waste of oxygen though
i grew up playing 5th-6th gen games and they're absolutely worth investing time into.
but given how expensive the games themselves are nowadays and how shitty they look on a non-CRT TV without a third-party direct hdmi cable hooked into the console, i'd support emulation outta practicality alone
They still look like shit; you're still using a lcd screen for them. Filters are for numales falling for memes.
filters are whatever, i don't use em but they may or may not look good depending on the game
but using the RCA composite cables through an adapter into an hdtv makes it look like you need 3 pairs of glasses just to make out the options in the system bios, let alone your character in an actual game
Understandable. But a crt fixes the non-issue fast while being easy to get and cheap, unless crtman gives you a gift.
i also grew up on a CRT but i rarely see them anywhere nowadays
but in terms of hdtvs - or at least smaller, monitor-sized ones - they're a fricking breeze to get ahold of; i nabbed one at a thrift store for frickin 14 bucks
I think /vr/bros could give you a hand there. For me; fb marketplace worked wonders.
no need, all i'm looking for now is 2 of these guys so i can hook up my gamecube and n64 to the tv i've got
i got 2 hdmi switchers goin for both my modern and retro systems but they're on power strips that can be turned off to save on the utility bill
>hyperkin
Is that brand legit?
i don't get their controllers or their retron shit but their cord i got for my PS2 is doin wonders at least
i wanna say they're significantly better than mad catz but that's a low bar
Do the background check about for confirmation. GC hd wires were specifically amazing.
i'll take your word for it
i'm getting em new from a local arcade that sells secondhand games as soon as they get em back in stock
that way i don't have to worry about the shipping
Godspeed, anon.
Better than other chinkshit
The way I see it, you can thank retro gaming youtubers for making retro gaming a thing in the first place.
And frick them so hard for price gauging every older console and game for no reason at all other than encouraging idiots to buy up all stock everywhere.
>And frick them so hard for price gauging every older console and game for no reason at all other than encouraging idiots to buy up all stock everywhere.
This. If you find any info on the internet, it's a bad thing; just like the news.
Ya we need to start burning retro games, they are just too problematic, bigitod, and transphobic for our current erra, and cause too much climate change.
is now a good time to sell my old videogames and consoles? (ps1 and gba)
Honestly? If we're really going into a recession then definitely. Fleece all the cash you can get.
>sell your assets now for soon-to-be-worthless cash
Terrible advice.
shouls let them appreciate in value, good condition consoles from the 90s and 00s will only become more valuable as time marches on.
Plus keeping them means you get to play old games the proper way as God intended.
>Plus keeping them means you get to play old games the proper way as God intended
Did God intent for me to seek the light in order to play games on my gba console?
Well I wouldn't keep the cash but I'm as clueless to what put that in. Definitely not video games.
This but without the homosexualry.
>speculating prices of electronic toys
A bullet awaits thems.
Black folk
what was the point of making six mainline street-fighter games if retro gaming is cancer?
>bro just steal old games: the thread
Its not stealing if the original devs dont make money from them anymore
you're still stealing from IP holders
Holders stole the IP from its creators.
I always delete the iso after I'm done playing the game so it's okay
Why, yes? I do delete the iso after burning it into the disc. How could you tell?
Oh no, not the heckin ceoerinos, not the goody corporate shillerinos, not the people presently laying off most of their staff after getting a big bonus while doing nothing with an IP, someone think of the corporations!
wont somebody PLEASE think of the multibillion dollar companies?
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mhm I feel real guilty not giving a billionare more money
GOOD
>game has been out of production for literal decades
>absolutely no stock of game exists in distribution centres or warehouses
>still thinks its theft when stealing something that doesn't exist
mugging people coming out of the grocery isn't stealing either
Typing shitty replies that makes no sense and are irrelevant in terms of analogy, doesnt make you look smart either
Any rational investor prices piracy in.
>Dumb frogposter has entered the thread
>thinks piracy is theft
I played Gothic 1 and Withcer 3 for the first time last year and while W3 is a good game I enjoyed Gothic 1 way more.
Gothic 1 is just amazing man, I go back to it every once in a while, it's comfy as frick. Try 2, it's even better.
Good games will stay good for an eternity. Just like good movies, good books, or good theatre plays.
Cool but hes got it backwards- This retro wave already IS RESULT of the publishers "zero risk" policy. Which makes most new games shit and remakes of old games are often pozzed into shit too.
>encouraging publishers to take less risks
Unironically the only time a publisher has taken an actual risk in the last decade was Squenix betting on NFTs. Everyone else is a pussy who needs algorithms and focus groups to make the absolute most safe product possible to raise their Blackrock D&I score.
I bought SEX for backward compatibility
I'm tempted to do this.
Is it possible to pirate 360 games onto a SeX yet?
The problem is their limited on what has BC. Every OG and 360 required MS Black personigging. So that's why they stopped the program (for now).
>play retro games
>wow, so many original ideas
>play new games
>wow, those boring open worlds are so big
i mean indies get made without the poison of focus groups
Well, if you ignore indies you aren't a real gamer in my book.
no argument here
but i wish triple A games had as much passion behind them as indies, cause a lot of games in the 00s had just as small a crew as the latter
>coccksucking indieshit
>le gamer
You make AAA look not as bad...
It's like whiskey collectors. Nobody is ever going to drink them they just store them in a vault.
Hell a lot of these collectors don't even like videogames.
The article is not talking about collecting, it's saying that people asking for backwards compatibility and ways to keep older games accessible are killing the industry
We've had emulation and ISO's for 20 years we don't need the industry fans took care of it.
The only ones who want official backwards compatibility are morons.
Elden Ring > every boomer game
It's fun to build older PCs
I hate to say this but the Boomer shooters that are directly influenced by retro games have been more consistent and high quality than modern releases. Just because Triple A is stuck looking backwards and literally just remaking what they put out before does not mean the rest of the industry is doing the same.
Entire genres of games aren't made anymore, and when one gets revisited on the rare occasion it's a pale imitation. New games only come in a few flavors anymore, and I'm not too fond of any of them.
Yeah, they're sure pushing the envelope with Call of Duty and Battlefield. I'd rather play games like Dusk or Amid Evil any day of the week.
he just wants us to buy new shitty modern games that's it
Booker and televisioners should get out of the gamer hobby.
Comictionists and trading cardiggers should be hanged as they ruin whatever they touch.
The last game I was excited for was Alien Isolation and that was almost a decade ago.
Funny that they ended up making a game that looks like it was created from board meeting or algorithm.
If there are any sincere devs on that team, they're probably contemplating suicide.
AAA games have been no risk for over a decade by this point, 360 and ps3 was maybe the last generation for it.
I do feel like more and more these days, a big part of the market is focused on upscaling and re-releasing popular old games rather than making new ones. I think it's an interesting idea that games can hold onto their charm while becoming technologically surpassed. It means that some games will continue to be worth playing well onto the future, which suggests that at some point, there will be more games available for any particular experience you're looking for than you have time to play. So at that point, do developers just stop making new video games? Or will they keep trying to capture some unique experience that no other game has done before?
A 500 or 600 laptop could emulate everything up to gamecube and ps2 so its not like it costs that much to play retro games. Now if you want to emulate ps3 and xbox360 I suppose you might need to get something more expensive but in that case you could just buy a cheap old ps3 and put cfw on it instead.
>retro
>OG XBox games
i hate you western Black folk so fricking much. who even thinks about OG XBox when he says retro
oof you gotta be pretty old huh
the problem is it's extremely western centric and not representative at all when you talk about actual retro. XBox was garbage back then and nobody really gave a frick about them
who gives af if something is western-centric haha, are you some type of chinese or something
I'd say it's just the beginnings of modern game designs. And things haven't evolved since. They just look slightly better. The advent of console shooters, 3d platformers (Mario 64), 3d beat em up (DmC), Morrowind and GTA3, MMOs, etc..
People who realize 21 years have passed since it's release, thats who. If the NES was retro in 2001, the original xbox sure as frick is now.
again, that's not my problem. only cum eating americans would mention the OG XBox as the frontline picture when it comes to retro. But thing is: the OG XBox sucked ass, it's games sucked ass and they are pretty much the fricking reason why we are in this modern-era predicament the begin with.
frick you weeb Black person
Do zoomers try old games from the snes and megadrive and ps1 and n64 and ps2 and gamecube?
No. People play retro games because the concept of genre is dying, where 90% of new games are open world first person shooters or open world Assassin's Creed clones. If you want to play a hack and slash or simple, linear single player adventure game, you have to play something at least 10 years old. It's why niche developers like atlus and the Yakuza team make more money and sales each year, as they refuse to make soulless trash that confirms to modern standards.
>CONSUME
>NEW
>PRODUCTS
Go write an actual noteworthy article already, frick.
I use https://www.backloggd.com/ to keep track of old games I want to play
no
There were plenty of shit games it's just everyone has forgotten them. What's left is a huge collection of actually good games that span 15+ years.
There good games still coming out? I few, here are there. There are personally a few decent games that cater to my tastes.
Publishers will never take any risks, period. If they're making record profits without taking any risks, then why would they? And if they're doing bad, taking risks is, well, too risky, since it could make things much worse. It's a "dying" industry, in the sense that it's not evolving. The only part that evolves is how to minimize costs (shit like gay tracing just requires devs to put less work, so less devs to hire and offloading the costs to customers - new hardware) and maximize profits (mtx, battle pass, season pass, lgbt pass, etc.).
>If they're making record profits without taking any risks, then why would they?
Simple, everyone knows that there will be the next "Fortnite", so every big company sets aside some money for risky ventures that have no guarantee of a return, contrary to what you are saying.
Yeah, they set aside basement budgets that aren't enough to make something that creates enough hype to become something big, or on the rare chance it does, the pipeline and budget is not big enough to sustain the hype and it fades into irrelevancy as "missed opportunity".
They are a waste of money if retro games are above $30, waste of time is a completely different argument. Yes if all you want is just to display them, no if you actually play them. Collections are always a waste of time, no matter how happy it makes you feel in the moment.
>waste of money
Yes
>waste of time
No
90% of the games I play are pre-360/PS3/Wii era and I love them so no. Most modern games are cancer.
There are 5 star wars games in that image alone, sad that SW used to have a ton of great games. If new games weren't so shit we wouldn't have to keep going back to classics
>"voting with your wallet doesn't work!"
lmao
>Retro games are a waste of time! Don't play them!
>Instead you should buy [new game]. Sure, when you buy it you don't actually own it since it's actually a digital only live service system that we'll be shutting down in 5 years so you can never touch it again, but that's fine. You don't need old thing, just keep buying new thing!
Just pirate and play them for free
Why do emulation gays act like they can perfectly emulate games up to even the ps3? Sure there are easy games to emulate like SM64 but i cannot tell you how many problems ive faced emulating or ps2 games that just dont have a smooth emulation. To act like every game ever is easy to emulate is a larping PC troony
Its again another bunch of PC zoomers derailing the thread to feel superior instead of actually talking about old games
I don't see that many people claiming that.
The claim is generally "PS1 and under".
unfortunately we are far away from emulating PS3 games perfectly. Game runs smooth tho
>encourage publishers to take less risk
I wonder what line of thought that moron who wrote that had. If anything, retro games let us have some standard to hold publisher to instead of void. Without old games and with current optimization of profit we would get even worse garbage
how you can be this fricking stupid or ~~*paid*~~
"
retro" gaming is definitely becoming more popular because most new games are trash and nobody wants to pay 60$ or more to take a chance on a game that probably fricking sucks. i mean they release half finished games and make you pay for the rest of the game as DLC ffs. or you could just replay your old favorite game that you know you will have fun with at least for a bit, and probably the game has some HD remaster at this point
No he's not because sixth gen is not fricking retro.
modern games are simply not good. that's really it. they are not what people fell in love with back then.
i also wouldn't depict the first XBox when bringing up retro games. Microsoft is the fricking reason why everything is so mutt, shoota and shit these days. Games used to be good when japs were the dominant force in the market. The west just ruins everything.
>and is encouraging publishers to take less risks in terms of making new games
But they're doing that already?
Every video game publisher hasn't done anything risky at all and has just done safe shit for ages
I can kind've get his point. I'd love to see some big new IPs pop up instead of sequels and remasters of everything. Its not like there hasn't been any good ones contrary to Ganker's taste, but things hardly feel fresh anymore and companies seem to borrow too much off each other today for IPs to feel as fresh.
I do support remakes of older games to try and counteract this balance, such as what capcom did with RE2, 3, and now 4 just to reformat the games to a newer audience.
>Retro video games are a waste of time and money
>normalgays believe this because it's "news"
>they leave us alone to our niche again
130 IQ move by the journalist, can't believe you tards think this is a bad thing. This is LITERALLY the "gatekeeping" you so desire.
>jedi academy is a "retro" game now
Indeed, feels weird to label Xbox games retro. Calling it a waste of time and money is subjective. I assume it's the 'opinion' of a zoomer which automatically invalidates it for me anyway.
Right? I remember when it was brand new, my rich friend got it first (of course) and we were both wow'd by the Corellia train mission.
Lower gpu prices and their msrp as well, dipshits.
Also, there are lots of great games you can play on IntelHD, like I do.
not to mention insane install sizes, my classical library of games easily fits into 100gb
I agree
They should all be free without the need to emulate
Just money i mean you can pirate them and play them wherever you want
retro vidya is the only thing keeping me interested anymore. Modern indie and AAA is almsot entirely garbage
pricewise, he's absolutely correct. Flash carts or emulation are the way to go
Are zoomers really too dumb to use emulators?
>Old bad. New good
ok