Is it a cope to just say we (thankfully) got enough games before the wheels absolutely fell of of the industry? I feel like with Console gens through Gen 6 (And parts of Gen 7) and all the PC games up to that same point I have more games than I could ever get through in my lifetime. Romhacks and translations keep the tail of it going just a little longer.
Is it better to just view gaming as a hobby that rose up and fell, similar to other hobbies which had their time and went like trainspotting, stamp collecting, ham radio, etc? Is the modern industry just a homonculus of what gaming once was, trying hard to pretend it's the original?
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Something is only good when it's not mainstream. It dies the moment the masses get a hold of it and the money starts flooding it.
Gaming was mainstream from the NES on, if not before then.
The videogame industry was so insignificant to the mainstream prior to the 21st century that people could get away with blatant plagiarism in their games.
Reminder that the first year the video game industry made more money than Hollywood was 1981.
Yes that's why I didn't mention money at all. Videogames wouldn't be part of the mainstream until much later. People who played on consoles were seen as kids, people who played on PC were nerds, and arcades were hangout places for teenagers who couldn't even vote yet. It was a silly lesser hobby.
1 in 3 households had an NES in 1990. Gaming has been mainstream for a long time. Just accept it.
This idea there was ever a videogame "crash" is hilarious imo. Sales dipped for a season or two and then the biggest boom the industry had ever seen totally revolutionized everything with momentum that hasn't stopped to this day. Maybe Atari just got caught being scammy israelites and videogames were never dead to begin with.
The videogame "crash" was just consoles selling poorly in America because Jack Tramiel had autism and sold the C64 at cost.
Yeah, I feel the same way basically. I see video games like I see radio dramas. The era in which they were relevant and done by (competent) professionals is over, but I can listen to old ones whenever I want. There's nothing new to get excited about, but that's just the nature of things. Mediums have their time. They come and go. I will miss being able to pick up a magazine and get hyped about what's new, and to share the current thing with my friends. It'll just be more of a private thing now. Or like with book clubs, groups of people will choose to play something old together and discuss it among themselves.
Man this perspective is revolutionary for me and it fits so well. I've felt that Silver/Golden age TV was a completely different type of product to the 70s and after, the Brady Bunch just isn't like those old dramas. Then you have podcasts which felt like they had a really, really thin time when they were good and not just factory floor schlop from private and indie creators alike.
To your point, you could still make a good radio drama, even alone, but that doesn't mean that radio dramas are a 'thing' again. Comparable to a retro clone or a really good, disproportionate indie game or AAA release like BG3. Their quality doesn't change that video games feel over the hump.
>tfw no more podcasts like gfw radio
>Then you have podcasts which felt like they had a really, really thin time when they were good and not just factory floor schlop from private and indie creators alike.
I always thought it was weird how podcasts were around since like 2006/2007 but all the normies found out about Serial and acted like podcasts just got invented
This would imply that new media is coming to surpass videogames as we know them.
There are still good games being made but I prefer retro games and occasionally an modern game
>There are still good games being made but I prefer retro games and occasionally an modern game
Big problem is that if good games come out in modern times, it's usually not a complete game. You can't buy a disc with the full game on it, or a cart. Devs want to be shitty and drop an unfinished game with bugs? Too fricking bad.
Thats almost entirely a phenomenon caused by cancer publishers like EA, Activision and Microsoft, or in the case of the Switch, same companies cheaping out on smaller size carts or porting things that have no buisness on the switch.
It's thanks to Valve pushing for Online DRM and opening the door for GaaS and DLC. c**ts.
>I have more games than I could ever get through in my lifetime
This is pretty much my plan with the hobby. I've never stopped playing retro games and I have sooooo many games I've yet to even try let alone replays.
>similar to other hobbies which had their time and went like trainspotting, stamp collecting, ham radio, etc?
I wouldn't call vidya similar to these because vidya is more popular and makes more money every single year regardless if your own opinion of the industry. Almost nobody is into ham radios except for literal boomers but almost everyone plays video games, from toddlers to people in their late 30s
I'm 37 and have a ham radio
I think any electronic technician has one, it's just a thing you do when you learn electronics
You should play more modern indie games.
If anything, gaming is only now realizing the full form of ideas that were outlined 20 or 30 years ago.
reccs?
>Is it a cope to just say we (thankfully) got enough games before the wheels absolutely fell of of the industry?
It's impossible to beat all the games from all the retro systems including PC. There are literally thousands of thousands of games. You could die of old age and still haven't played tons of games.
That's why emulation is so important. When you're 80 years old and your old SNES doesn't work anymore, you'll still be able to play your SNES games through and emulator(implying that you do not have Alzheimer kek).
>MiSTer is better than emul...
MiSTer is hardware emulation so it's still emulation
Yeah you are absolutely right, there are so many good pre 2010 games i will always have something new to play for the rest of my life
I feel the same way about music, TV and film.
I can understand Video, but you cannot possibly be correct about Music. When would the 'drop off' point of Music be and how could it possibly be in our lifetime?
Not that anon, but I agree with him about music. Most of the "new" music I've found lately that I enjoy has been stuff from before I was born, like Gordon Lightfoot's pre-1978 work. I haven't heard any modern music that combines lyrical, sound, and singing quality the way stuff like Sundown, The Pony Man, The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, or Christian Island does. What I have found has been mostly 1-hit wonder shit, nowhere near the quality or quantity of Lightfoot from 1966-1976.
>new music
Do you mean new genres of music? I listen to the same bands I liked as a kid and their stuff is still top notch.
>Do you mean new genres of music?
No, I already listen to everything from Enya to Slayer, I'm just always on the hunt for songs I enjoy that I haven't heard before.
You listen to what you learned to love by the age of 25. You might still look out for new things depending on how curious/passionate you are but you will always default to what your teen/young adult self learned to love
No, that other anon is right. I didn't know who Gordon Lightfoot was until my 30s and he's great. My job has a classic rock station on 24/7 and boomers had some really great music that got radio play, and variety that lasted through the 90s. I listened to a lot of dubstep in my early 20s. Something changed.
That's funny, I was that anon, and I didn't get into Gordon Lightfoot until I was about 35. Was mostly into alternative rock and heavy metal as a kid, then industrial metal and anime OST's as a teen. These days I find myself digging into 50's and 60's Motown stuff like The Crystals and Smokey Robinson And The Miracles.
I think the whole "you are programmed into what you like as an adult while a child" argument is made by people who want a justification as to why they are trapped in the same circle of consuming the same entertainment media they used to enjoy, in the hopes of getting a sliver of the same enjoyment out of it.
>When would the 'drop off' point of Music be
When "musicians" stopped playing actual instruments.
Also Ticketmaster
I think the problem is nothing is replacing any of these mediums
it depends on what level of quality you are satisfied with. 99.999% of new games are trash, but 99% of old games are also trash.
even with only 1% of retro games being worth playing, there are enough games to last a person for decades. but only as a whole. if you want a certain genre of games, then the list shrinks dramatically and for example you could reasonably finish all worthwhile retro platforming games in a year.
>finish in a year
I'm always reading about new tech being discovered in old fighting games. So called low tiers in mvc2 like Spiderman have been taking first place in tournaments with the highest level of competition.
I feel the same kinda. For me, its the full internet focused homosexualry of always online shit, games as a service, streaming, etc. I still play modern stuff and im enjoying the indie scene, but I think if everything goes digital only, i can no longer just buy a game machine with games i buy to go inside it, no internet shit requirements whatsoever, the complete death of the classic gaming experience, then im just gonna be done with it. Maybe i will pirate something if the will falters, but i think id just be so soured with the state of the medium i really wouldn't even want to, so on one hand i kinda spitefully hope it continues to turn to shit if i bail. However, the thing that really hurts is the fact that my dream of releasing atleast one game of my own before I croak will also kinda be dead. The sad realization that the world you grew up in is not the world you will be an adult in. Shit sucks. Worst case scenario, id focus on releasing stuff for older platforms and maybe if im feeling up to trying to suckle some cash teet, i will work on a later version to throw out for the modern streaming gaymer box 2030 edition that exists merely for me to try and make some pocket change on.
You should explore something like what a lot of the genesis homebrew devs do, and release something on PC that also comes on a gen/md cart, similar to xeno crisis or the NES and Atari homebrew devs
Thats likely the route I'll take, i have already dicked around a bit making some sample genesis stuff. I have two other things id like to get out on current hardware before the GaS apocalypse to the industry that ive been slowly chipping away at over the last few years.
I just love retro video games, nothing wrong with that. I do however find some kind of estranged joy in playing retro games on modern consoles and seeing what kind of differences they have in the ports. Recently I bought one of these and it only enhances how much I enjoy the Switch does N64 emulation. Really makes you wonder why emulators on PC are still far behind in replicating how the games actually felt without destroying the illusion outright.
Doesn’t switch N64 emulation suck besides the added online multiplayer ?
It works fine for me, don't know where you're hearing that from. Games actually look like the way they should with the Switch's N64 emulator, whereas there was always something off about the graphics and 2D/3D element mix that didn't look right. Many of these games even come with a native framerate boost, Pilotwings 64 and Goldeneye in particular benefit a lot from this. The new N64 controller is pretty good too.
this guy is lying out his ass, F-zero and many other games have massive framedrop
It was shitty at launch but it's alright now. Every time they update the N64 list it comes with changes for emulation performance.
They fixed that long ago. You can boot it up F-Zero and see there's no longer any framedrops in places where they didn't exist. Oh wait, you can't. You don't actually fricking use the service so the only source of information you have on hand is outdated videos from years ago.
Yeah man, same here. I feel like a travel agent that retired in 1998. Just barely got out of the hellhole in-time. Im ready for it all to collapse short of a handheld that can do pc starcraft, battlefield 2, and RCT without paying hundreds. Feels good. Funny how fast it is to enjoy retro when its not loading a menu to login to see ads to load the game to show you ads inbetween DLC ads for the game you're already playing to get into the game itself.
There will always be new and interesting games coming out that blow oldschool SOVL shit out of the water. It's just a matter of you being old now and not seeing new experiences through rose tinted glasses and not being able to sort through the mountain of absolute shit.
With internet censorship and journalism shilling so rampant, we are essentially back to where we were in the early 90s when information was sparse. Except now it's not sparse, just drowned with noise and heavily throttled to "protect" sheeple who don't realize they should be openly dissident.
>I have more games than I could ever get through in my lifetime
I can't apply that logic for myself. I'm in my mid 30s and have actively played retro games throughout my life, I feel like I've exhausted all of truly excellent games and now tend to replay them endlessly. I can't get excited for mediocre stuff anymore when it just makes me want to play the games that do it all far better.
Granted, replaying the same games at some point starts to feel depressing and very time-wasting. I still play video games almost daily but I'm starting to realize that the logical conclusion of things is that at one point you have to be done with video games because they neither provide the stimulation they originally did, nor are there any great games left to play.
I am reaching that point too. Sure, there are countless games out there, but I've played most of the ones that appeal to me. The key is the accept that video games aren't the end-all-be-all to life, and to find other hobbies, be it reading books, or writing books, or checking out powermetal, or maybe checking out your local glider club, etc.
These threads are always totally useless because the person who makes them all but admits that they don't even engage with modern games enough to know that good stuff is still being released. Of course, that's more of a systematic issue with this board (Ganker itself is bad about it too)
Why would you need to engage with new games to know they are trash? We don't engage with them because it's easy to tell that they are trash.
I'm sure it is.
It's fricking extremely apparent, but apparently your parents didn't teach you critical thinking skills.
How can you tell? Other basement dwellers on /vr/ say so? If you've never even tried new games it's ridiculous to say they suck with any confidence. You sound like a teenage contrarian.
I do play some modern games, I’ve played plenty of indies although the optimization on the newest triple A is often so bad that my 5700XT has a meltdown, which I know isn’t top of the line anymore but it’s still absurd. TWW3 was the last game I was truly excited for and I got burned hard as frick on that one. I will get around to playing the newest armored core eventually but that’s the other main game on my list. I have a modchipped switch as well (hacked 3ds, hacked vita, etc) and have some games on there I’ll likely get around to playing. Modern gaming is not my focus I admit, but I’m not utterly removed from it all. Doesn’t change how I feel about the situation, and not trying to be an epic debatelord, I just wanted to clarify.
Games are simply too expensive and take too long to make now. The reponse to that of shovelling a billion generic pixel art platformers onto Steam is no better. What's actually been lost are all those cool mid-budget games that filled up the libraries of consoles like the PS2 and provided some filler between the big releases. Everything has to be a AAA ray traced graphics-fest that gets 24fps at 540p on a 4090 or look like a bad imitation of a NES game.
I know it's not a genre many people here care about, but football/soccer games are a shining example of how much smaller the range of games being made now seems. In the 90s and early 00s the market was absolutely flooded with them from a ton of different studios, all with their own engines and different takes. Now all that's left is FIFA (or whatever the frick it's called now) and Konami desperately puppeteering the stinking, rotten corpse of PES.
Tennis games the same thing. A once-thriving genre that's now fricking dead, despite the sport itself thriving. It's been twelve fricking years since the last genuinely good tennis game.
Why did this range of games die out, is it because 3d is too hard to do for indies today?
Normies buy all the crap that you throw at them. Meanwhile, the geeks, the weebs, the people that just wan to try different things instead of always buying the same games... pirate like maniacs or buy things only when they're on sale. They don't understand the idea of buying a game in order to support a series they love or support games that cater to their tastes.
Companies do try to please them sometimes. Valkyrie Elysium or the last Sakura Taisen were very good games. But they weren't AAA games nor they were aimed at normies nor did Ganker support them.
And then we find people b***hing about Konami or Sega having abandoned loads of series. But if people had supported those dead series, they wouldn't have abandoned them.
Not that anon, but it seems more an issue of the modern market. If it isn't the most popular AAA game, or some extreme low-budget quirky indie game, the modern market doesn't want it, won't talk about it, and won't buy it. Just look at the anons in this thread who say they won't play "sub-par" games because better games exist. They would rather replay Super Mario World for the millionth time than play a merely decent platformer like Wonder Boy in Monster Land, or Shadow of the Ninja.
just look at every genre from 5th and 6th gen.
Almost everyone hast from 4 to 7 seven different games or series.
Now is just:
1 rally game
1 football game
1 basketball game
1 motorbike game
1 tennis game
1 F1 game
but in the past we got several diferent stuidos making those: studio 33, Liverpool studio, 989 studios and I am prety sure that the list really goes on.
If you spent some time going through itch.io you can find good games that show how the spark is still there, you won't find it on Steam.
I'm only in my 40s and I have exhausted entertainment media aside from books. I have even learned Japanese purely from something like 40 weeks of their media.
Life is much much longer than you think.
My actual favorite thing is jrpg so now I just wait on Eushully's once a year game that or may not be any good and rare indie titles. Otherwise I end up replaying the same things I have a half dozen times every few years.