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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on your tolerance for trial and error in your rail shooters. Worst game in the series for sure.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Worst game in the series for sure.
      FPWP

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Die

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >not Orta

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    i bought this because i thought it was a final fantasy spinoff and it wasn't so i traded my sega saturn for a 32x

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Saga is the important one I think. That one is an RPG, not a rail shooter. I did play a little bit of both I and II Zwei, but I never got a chance to try Saga. It's on three discs but you only need the one to start.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This was expensive 20 years ago. I wonder how much it is now.

      Let’s find out…

      Holy frick what the hell are buygays thinking? You needed to collect for saturn like as soon as it died, this is ridiculous.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        another reason emulation is not the same, it's better.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          You don't need to buy the games to play them on real hardware jackass.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Saturn was collectorgay territory even before it was even discontinued in the US. Most of the saturn guys I knew back in the day were importing stuff via mail-order catalogs.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tried to get this to play on mednafen
      >too moronic to alter the save data so I can switch from disc 1 to 2

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Did you make an m3u file for all the discs?

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, Zwei is a very good game. Is there even a better rail shooter?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like S&P 1 a lot but you need a CRT and N64/wii to even play it

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I got all but have on means of playing roms on the N64. Is it a good idea to skip directly to the Wii one?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Kind of, the story is incoherent nonsense, but the wii one just feels worse compared to how tight the original is. Still worth playing I'd say, but if you're able to play the wii one surely you'd be able to play the 64 one

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but I want to play it on the N64 hardware... Don't ask why, just assume I'm moronic.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              I mean if you have a wii just softmod it to play 64 games

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I will not. Original hardware only.
                The reason? Profound mental moronation.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                wut
                Like I get original hardware autism to an extent, after all I bought an N64 controller, adapater to wii and a CRT, but playing S&P 1 using the 64 rom on the wii is literally the same game.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                You make great points, I agree with everything you said. However I refuse to see reason, I have become unhinged.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >emulation is literally the same as real hardware!
                ok

                For this game, yes. Getting the rom on a wii is 100% perfectly compatible and works perfect, I understand original hardware autism, but this is like getting a PS1 to play Abes Oddysee when the PS2 is backwards compatible

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                fat ps2s have actual ps1 hardware in them

                the wii does not have a very tiny Nintendo 64 inside of it

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                PS2 backwards compatibility is not the same as emulating using a wii.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                What if someone told you it's not 100% and has small inconsistencies?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >emulation is literally the same as real hardware!
                ok

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think it runs at 240p on Wii.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                You make great points, I agree with everything you said. However I refuse to see reason, I have become unhinged.

                >

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Orta.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      rez

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the time you homies spent arguing with me you could've played the game
    Also this thread is about fricking PD

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      > Also this thread is about fricking PD
      No, I will talk about its composer instead.
      Yoshitaka Azuma only composed for 2 video games in his life, the first PD game and Virus (also on the Saturn). Just by PD alone he's one of my favorite game composers, and when I found out he has a bunch of studio albums I gave them a listen. They're pretty cool:

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I dunno anon, I think only the first stage OST is amazing but the rest is ambient shit

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nah my man it's good. Obviously the first stage is the crown israeliteel, but it has a lot of good stuff. You should give it a listen outside the game, it's easy to get immersed and not pay too close attention to the music when you're in thick of it:

          There's also some extended tracks that didn't get used in the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cks33u1Ffs0

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    i don't care for these games. if you want a shmup, there are much better options. i also feel like these games beg to be played with a mouse or lightgun. playing them with a controller feels wrong.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      But I don't want a shmup
      I've tried tons of them and they didn't do anything for me

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah its a fantastic game with interesting scoring options and environmental design. you can play for a good rank or just enjoy the ride.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    pd1 is better

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk, i suck at it hard. apparently its the easiest game in the franchise (of like only 5 games) too. i played it first cause they said it was a prequel to the first game. kind of embarassing

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like Orta better

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a masterpiece. The one sequel that is actually better than the original

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's one of the best 3D shooting games available, presented for your pleasure.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s good but has too many boring sequences with nothing happening.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like you fail to grasp the concept of pacing

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        elevator dot webm (route B)

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >those long pauses in the prologue between attacks and enemies that can’t damage you anyway so there’s no point even bothering
          >that sequence in the desert where you fly off the cliff and slowly land that goes on for like a minute
          >the entire b route of that level where you fly over bare, featureless desert with 30 seconds between easy attacks
          >the entire forest level where you’re never fighting more than 5 enemies at a time with like 30 seconds of nothing between attacks
          >elevator.webm
          >the full minute pause in the christmas episode between the last attack and the boss
          >the multiple sequences in the final level where you’re just slowly being pulled through tunnels with no enemies to fight
          Maybe I should make a compilation of these parts like I did this webm

          It's a masterpiece. The one sequel that is actually better than the original

          .

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the full minute pause in the christmas episode between the last attack and the boss
            The bosses attacks are bugged, btw, and can’t even hurt you.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Panzer Zwei having a dedicated nintendo troll is really all the proof you need it's a great game. When the spammers need to retroactively defend and prepare evidence against any game that threatens their precious console it's just proof that it is as great as it's claimed to be.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >muh Nintendo boogeyman
              Stopped reading, have a nice day

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >don't call me out!
                We all know, own it and stop being pretentious 1ccgay.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              Most likely, anti-Saturn posts here are made by playstation fans, or australia-kun.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                auster doesn't exist and playstation fans have no problems with sega. Time to face reality, the shitposts only come from one way and if you aren't realizing it, you're doing it.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >playstation fans have no problems with sega.
                I remember all the Playstation fans doing all these comparision pics of how Saturn can't do transparencies and how PS is superior etc etc.
                >auster doesn't exist
                Hi, auster. I remember your bernieposting.
                Nice try though!

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              Again with this?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >playstation fans have no problems with sega.
                I remember all the Playstation fans doing all these comparision pics of how Saturn can't do transparencies and how PS is superior etc etc.
                >auster doesn't exist
                Hi, auster. I remember your bernieposting.
                Nice try though!

                That's not auster in the pic, nor is it /vr/.
                but one of the people being replied to in this post is auster.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah auster wouldn't praise the Saturn, though he MAY do it ironically if it means shitting on Nintendo and causing falseflag, though.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                The same guy who made all those floigan zelda posts? Nah lol

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >that sequence in the desert where you fly off the cliff and slowly land that goes on for like a minute

            That's the first time your dragon manages to fly on his own. It's supposed to be drawn out because it is a monumental moment, and it showcases the feeling of flying over the vast empty landscape with only the horizon giving you any sense of direction.
            Prior to that moment you are just riding a chocobo lizard. From that moment forward you are riding a flying dragon.

            The entire sequence is justified in this.

            also, learn what the frick pacing means. A few pauses here and there will build anticipation for the next incoming rush. On top of that it also allows you to gather your wits, and if you like you can just look around at the wonderful scenery.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >also, learn what the frick pacing means. A few pauses here and there will build anticipation for the next incoming rush
              PDZ is way too tame to justify the constant pauses.

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Panzer Dragoon games are style over substance. Very shallow games.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >very shallow games
      Mainly Zwei. Just keep waggling the aiming reticle around and never stop firing.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Confirmed for never having played the game.
        Zwei si top rail shooter of 5th gen along with S&P and SF64

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I literally made this webm

          It's a masterpiece. The one sequel that is actually better than the original

          and you can see me doing it in every clip.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Looks cherrypicked plus it's not the optimal strategy every time plus you're not constantly firing as you also need to stop for the lock on laser

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              It IS cherrypicked to make the game look varied and dense.

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is completely random but it's nice to see threads about actual Saturn games and not just arcade ports or JP exclusives for once

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is not a single good iteration of panshit shartgoon. Stick to Afterburner and Space Harrier

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I prefer After Burner as well honestly, though I haven't played Panzer Dragoon Orta

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Best entries in those series?

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is gay anal sex actually good?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes

  18. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's alright, I like the presentation more than anything, but if you want to get red pilled, play Panzer Dragoon Orta, the true kino of the Panzer series.
    The original is classic but a tad bare bones and Zwei is a lot easier in comparison, but otherwise one of the most beautiful Saturn games bar none.

  19. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all the orta shills itt
    probably just a samegay but still... gross

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, Orta is good but Zwei is the absolute best.

  20. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ya fly around on some dang ducks

  21. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Orta is incredible one one of the best games I've played. I was also like 24 at the time I played it, but I still kept my copy.

  22. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like the first game over it honestly. While Zwei adds a lot to the formula, there's something about the first one that makes it a lot more interesting for me. I played them all back in 2021 and probably put the most time into the first game just cause of how hard it was. Hell, I didn't know you could hold down the button to shoot until my third attempt yet I still got to Stage four mashing the frick outta my controller.

    The game looks stunning even today honestly, it must've been so cool to pop that in your Saturn back in 1995 and just be blasted with the first scene. It's a difficult game and I actually came to appreciate that as I went through it and retrying the game again and again seeing my accuracy go up and being rewarded with extra lives felt very satisfying.

    While it's not told to you, I really do enjoy the story of that game when I looked it up halfway through. Having the empire send their entire fleet to stop your advance and you break through honestly feels incredible, and then rushing through their capital while being fired upon by the opposing dragoon you're trying to stop, the remnants of the army AND civilians/soldiers down below it just becomes so fricking hectic especially when you're on your last life and so close to beating the game. Those two stages are my favourite in the game and I just love the music that's played during those parts.

    (I especially love the part at 2:59)

    I finished Zwei in one sitting and thought it was good but a bit too easy. I consider Saga a different game entirely so I don't like comparing it to the other games (like comparing Pokémon and the TGC game) but that's also quite impressive, and Orta is good too (also very cool that's it's backwards compatable with the Xbox One and can be played in 4k pretty much)

    I kinda wish Sega would give it another shot but knowing them they'd frick it up somehow.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I found PD1 to be too basic, the first level has great atmosphere and music, but the rest of the game is kinda meh.
      Zwei starts great and keeps getting better with easy stage, with more crazy level design, enemy formation, bosses, and also the branching paths.
      If you think it's easy, try unlocking the true ending.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I finished Zwei in one sitting and thought it was good but a bit too easy.

      Didn't get too much into Zwei yet, but aren't you supposed to get better at the game so you get the best path and ending?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The game looks stunning even today honestly
      I can see this from an aesthetic perspective, which I feel Zwei still looks stunning, but PD1 is lacking in the department and I feel like it ages poorly. Also the framerate is a little bit jarring, but for some reason when I play it on original hardware, it doesn't feel as bad compared to an emulator.

  23. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Zwei rhymes with gay

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It rhymes with "why" akchyually

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Pander gaytroon smegma: why?
        Yeah exactly, why did they even make it .. jk, I had the wording in my head I had to post it, I like pd.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are pronouncing it wrong then.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      you pronounce it like fly with a zed and a soft tee you dumb burger

  24. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >there's a Zweirager on /vr/
    Never thought this board could get any shittier, but here we are

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      just tendies being tendies, they've never played the game

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Except the Zweirager is praising PD1.
        PD1 is fine but nowhere near as good as Zwei.
        >tendies
        console wars are mental illness.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >elevator.webm
          really convincing you're not a console warrior auster

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >defending a Saturn game
            >mocking anti-nintendo console warrying
            >auster
            anon, lurk more.

  25. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    the fact that they went from this action packed goodness to fricking turn based shit is a crime

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I tried so hard to like Saga but jrpgs are really not for me

  26. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    such a glorious climax. this game is pure art

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Immense focus on story and worldbuilding in its gameplay
      >Dumbass points scoring plastered all over the screen to remind you that all you're seeing is trivial and secondary to watching the numbers go up, no more immersive than a sunday morning cartoon
      Sad.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        relax anon you can turn it all off. I never play with that crap on

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >anon doesn't understand the game mechanics are part of the immersion
        Non-player homosexual

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          they're not, you deluded quadroon

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Typical non-player
            The HUD in games add to the experience, in good games with good HUDs at least
            le minimalist or le no hud is modern twitter bullshit praised by homosexuals that will unironically use the phrase "too videogamey"

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >anon doesn't understand the game mechanics are part of the immersion
        Non-player homosexual

        they're not, you deluded quadroon

        Typical non-player
        The HUD in games add to the experience, in good games with good HUDs at least
        le minimalist or le no hud is modern twitter bullshit praised by homosexuals that will unironically use the phrase "too videogamey"

        why is this even a discussion. you literally can turn off score popups if you want a cleaner aesthetic

        here's the final battle in all it's glory without all the numbers getting in the way

        ?feature=shared&t=5800

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          oops, wrong timestamp

          ?feature=shared&t=2642

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >This homosexual popping back up in Azel only to get shit on

          I soi'd on my first playthrough until I realized what an easy battle it was then became sad.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's does look pretty sick.

  27. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    One thing I gotta point out is that from a presentation standpoint the default/easy paths are the most interesting/impressive so I always feel a bit robbed when I wanna go for the challenge and unlock the final dragon that I'm gonna be missing out on some really cool set piece sections.

    Probably an unpopular opinion but I would have preferred if there were no alternate paths and they simply extended each stage so that they integrate the multiple paths into a single run

    Example
    in episode 2 you have
    - path a: you take flight on the cliff then chill for a bit before landing and go through that fortress on foot and even fight that armored gate miniboss(pic related) before reaching the end boss
    - path b: you take flight on the cliff and keep flying while the game just throws tons of aircraft at you and as soon as you land it's time for the end boss
    I would have much rather have a single path where you take flight on the cliff, have the air raid section, chill for a bit, land and go through the fortress

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I respect that

  28. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    best episode? best episode.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Beware you will summon elevatoranon

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I love that part. Taking in all the atmosphere and build up hype for when the music kicks in and it gets frantic again

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      certainly my favorite theme

  29. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone know what's the deal with the boss of the 2nd level of Thunder Force V being basically the actual same boss from Zwei's episode 3?
    It seems like a ripoff but maybe the devs were friends with each other and it was a homage?
    TF V was on PS too but it came out for Saturn first

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not just the boss it also has those big orange worms from episode 3 and with that thunder force stage even being a forest it's without a doubt a direct reference not just a "let's copy this and hope nobody notices" situation
      Now whether it was an authorized reference or just a spontaneous homage I do not know.

  30. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    no its shit

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, these games play and look like shit. Way too brown, dragons loop the opposite of cool and it does that dumb looking right and left thing just like Gamera and some other trash rail shooters

      Absolute state of neo /vr/

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >open expecting a cool webm of my favorite boss
        >pic for ants barely bigger than the thumbnail

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's a man who doesn't compromise on native resolution.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            A man of culture I see

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I love the Hanuman.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            blessed post

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I never noticed as a kid but they shrunk the frick out of her between the prologue and that fight

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              where's that pic from?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I got it from Panzer Dragoon Legacy I assumed it's from like a japanese manual or something
                https://www.panzerdragoonlegacy.com/categories/panzer-dragoon-ii-zwei-official-art

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I got it from Panzer Dragoon Legacy I assumed it's from like a japanese manual or something
                https://www.panzerdragoonlegacy.com/categories/panzer-dragoon-ii-zwei-official-art

                It's from Die Welt von Panzer Dragoon Zwei.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                What's with the german fetish?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Research Japan and WWII

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                no thank you

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is there a pdf?

  31. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, these games play and look like shit. Way too brown, dragons loop the opposite of cool and it does that dumb looking right and left thing just like Gamera and some other trash rail shooters

  32. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.
    >entire thread is autisticly reeeeeing at the most inane shit in the game
    asiaticmoot, I'm begging you, fricking nuke this shitty board or at least halve the amount of pages in the catalog.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      oh yeah let's decrease the chance for threads about less popular games to stay up so the catalog can be entirely zelda and resident evil

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