Is it cringe to become an evil nihilist when your wife and daughter dies or based?

Is it cringe to become an evil nihilist when your wife and daughter dies or based?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    He wasn't a nihilist though. A nihilist finds no reason to be. Everything he did in the end was in the vain hope of having her daughter back. He had a reason to be.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That isn't a nihilist. A nihilist is someone who believes life has no inherent meaning.
      Choosing to then kill everyone can still be a nihilistic response, as you don't believe the consequences really matter.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did so many god want to work with him? Do gods just suck powerful Paladin wiener in this world

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Be very powerful paladin for good(ish) god Selune
      >Be corrupted by god of traitors Shaar, archnemesis of selune
      >Turn to upstart god of grief and undeath Myrkuul to save your daughter
      It's pretty coherent all things considered, every god had a reason to work with him, and him with them.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everything about him was terribly written.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nihilists think there's no point. He explicitly had an objective, which was to save his daughter at any cost. As to if it was reasonable?
    Not really. Understandable and human? Very. It's a classic tragedy.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >anon that has never opened a D&D adventure book in his life
    How does it feel to be this moronic ?

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They are chosen invoking their respective gods, obviously it's stereotypical fantasy, it's a dungeon and dragon game. Did you want them to use naruto handsigns ? Do you not know DnD ?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      they actually posed, ketheric flexes his chest

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Tfw you give everything to bring your beloved daughter back from the head and she hates you for it

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is what happens when daughters don't get enough rape correction

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >wow you're mad I brought you back? all it cost was me enslaving and killing millions!

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sensible take, but the ruthlessness of his methods was driven by his obsession over his dead kid. I agree he's a deeply flawed and ultimately evil character, but his motivation is clear and logical. Very well-written villain imo

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh yeah I thoroughly enjoyed Kethric, the other two were real steps down.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Typical woman. My mother and sister are like this with my father.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

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    Anons that have never played DnD or older cRPG will never get old.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I feel like bg3 is an caricature of what people complained about ds3 having too much fanservice; there's just too much shit going on; any one or two of those things would have been a sufficient 'focal point' or main theme for the story but they tried to do it all at once and it just got really fricking silly

    case in point; the "party members", I get the whole you can play as each party member, but every single goddamn person has some serious main-character-syndrome going on; especially when you consider the fact that this is a starting at lv1 module or whatever. Like if anyone came to a physical table and gave their DM their charactersheet for their lv1 whatever and was like oh yeah, legendary folk hero and son of the mayor, fought in the blood war for ten thousand years and has some kind of mechanical heart, vampire whatever, mystra's lover has some sort of nuclear bomb inside of them, gith warrior etc.... they'd be told to frick right off

    this would all be acceptable if it was some motb style epic campaign where everyone's seen some shit and has a cuhrazy backstory, but in bg3 it just was incredibly awkward

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      They do address it by saying the tadpole respec'd them to level 1. Wyll and Gale outright say they used to be really high level casters that were put back to 0.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    He became "evil" because his daughter become a lesbian.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >is a Paladin
    >daughter dies
    >doesn't just buy a resurrection/wish spell
    >instead, prostitutes himself out to any god that'll help
    It's pretty cringe.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wish/True Resurrection aren't handled with much respect to canon here.

      I see no reason why we can't just get somebody to cast true resurrection on Karlach after she burned up. She'd come back normal.
      >MUH SHE REFUSES TO COME
      She would come if that was the plan.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Even with BG3's setting in mind, the world's drowning in Revivify scrolls. Merkal's butt boy there could have stumbled over a merchant carrying one, threw gold at him, and got his daughter back.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nope. Revivify only works within like 1 minute of death. It's a necromantic chest paddle.

          True Resurrection takes super high level priests, huge diamonds and catalysts and involved convincing the soul to return to the material plane.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    This dude is the worst rpg clusterfrick writing in a long while.
    >serves one god
    >switches to another god for uhhh reasons
    >daughter dykes out and dies
    >turns everyone into nihilists
    >gets an army
    >loses the army
    >switches god again
    >turns everyone into zombies
    >then turns everyone into squids
    >gets army again
    >loses it again
    >jobs to party once
    >jobs twice
    >jobs in his final form
    There's like 4 different jrpg villains here mashed together.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry the D&D fantasy game made your big brain hurt

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >serves one god
      >switches to another god for uhhh reasons
      >daughter dykes out and dies
      You've got that turned around, his wife and daughter died, so he converted to Shar, becasue she's an edgy c**t. The Shadow Curse comes from this time, after he and his Sharran army are defeated. He then promises his soul to Murkyl, rezzes his daughter and does the absolute stuff.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    honestly I didn't get to act 3, I dropped around act 2 when my party was around lv8 or so, felt like I had 'seen what there was to see' mechanically speaking (8 to 12 doesn't add that much), any difficulty had long since disappeared (i'll admit that fricking around in underdark lv3-5 was tactically interesting), yet combat and exploration all just still felt incredibly tedious (I *get* what they were going for with giving you infinite resting and making each encounter require plenty of casting and positioning and all, but at some point when you stop really getting new 'tiers' of spells and tactics, everything gets stale but also remains incredibly time consuming) and I did not give a shit about where the plot was going

    >porn games
    lmao on that topic, BG3 really reminds me of those pateron milking furry games where everything's incredibly disjointed because the main focus is clearly stringing the backers along as long as possible and the best way to do that is a content focus on their self insert OCs

    Dark Souls 3 is fanservice, Baldur's Gate 3 is fanfiction

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >IT'S BAD BECAUSE.... IT JUST IS OKAY
    >I'M A CONTRARIAN, I'M VERY SMART

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's nothing wrong about saying this game was terribly written. The ending made this extremely obvious.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nta, but curious. Which rpg that came out in the last, say, 5 years had better writing? Not defending bg3's writing as being superb, but I am genuinely curious as to what's been made recently that's better.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          anything by owlcat, space colony, jagged alliance 3, triangle strategy, starfield

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, please. That's just embarrassing.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              not the main quest, but some of starfield faction quests are good, they could be the plot of entire games on their own

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                such as?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                The ones from the vanguard and the crimson fleet one you even need NG+ to see all the outcomes of the second one

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's like saying Cyberpunk has good writing because the Peralez quest was good.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >anything by owlcat
            Owlgay, opinion discared

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >owlcat
            >jrpg
            >poofield

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Space Colony
            I'm inclined to believe you because AoD has good writing but it I don't want to play SC because AoD annoyed the frick out of me because of how hard of a linear CYOA it ended up being due to lacking simple things like the ability to escape from combat.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >X is shit
            >OK what's good to you
            >Posts shit
            The actual state of V

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Not defending bg3's writing as being superb
          It's not even half way decent, it's legitimately moronic.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Same question as other anon, what rpg has better writing in the last 5 years? Heck, push that to 8 years if you want.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's what I thought.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >with in the last 8 years
              Tyranny, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Banner Saga, Darkest Dungeon, Wasteland 2, and Age of Decadence to list some. Despite being overrated game, Witcher 3 and even fricking Cyberpunk 2077 (especially Cyberpunk because it was a shit game) had better stories.
              Even fricking Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring have a better stories and they barely even count as RPG's and barely even have a narrative to begin with. BG3's story is terrible. I've seen Pokémon games with better written narratives, and I don't even like all the games that I listed. Some of the are pretty bad.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it that Orin or whats his name never feel as threatening as Ketheric?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The point was that all three of them have strengths and weaknesses and working together they were a threat, but once the alliance was broken they were doomed to fall, just as the Brain calculated.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kethric was the strongest link of the three imo. The others had useful talents and resources that helped but it felt like cutting off the head of the best with Kehtric's death. I feel like they wanted that to be Gortash but there just isn't enough interaction with him in the city. Like he gets crowned and then.......waits in the fortress for you to attack.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It felt like Ketheric should’ve been the main villian, celeb VO, badass design, best backstory, imposing, clsssic “dark lord” vibe

        The gay politician and the actual autism bawd from RE don’t hold up

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ketheric was the muscle, even Orin comments that their chances of completely taking over the surrounding area are thin with the loss of him and the Absolute cultist army at Moonrise, without him all they had was Orin and her sewer murder simps and Gortash had control of the Flaming Fist and the robots, without Ketheric keeping them in check they were fricked

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Orin is a moron and comes off as one.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Orin is insane. Don't seek reason with her way of thinking.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Orin is a second-best moron with no connection to The Plan other than being a decently-powerful warm body aligned with Bhaal to handle one of the stones. If Durge didn't get his brain blended, the party would have had absolutely no chance to succeed.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Be Durge
        >Make plan to rule the world and murder it
        >Get the other dead three on board
        >Rob the hells to get the Crown
        >The eve of your victory approaches
        >Your moronic incest-baby half-sister stabs you in the brain
        >Get to watch all the other chosen frick up your plan as you regain your memories
        Durge's story is amazing because if Orin hadn't been up her own ass, she would see that Durge was about to win the whole chessboard for DemonDaddy Bhaal

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ketheric gets name-dropped properly earlier. Orin gets no mention whatsoever until the very end of the second act. Gortash only as some prick who screwed over Karlach and some arms dealer. Ketheric gets dropped as the evil c**t who ruined the lands ahead in act 1. As the guy who betrayed not one, but two deities. And then when you get to Act 2, before meeting him you'll encounter his oppressing influence: the shadow lands are awful, brutal and bleak. Reithwin is haunted. When you do finally meet him, the guy is unkillable and brutal.
      Gortash and Orin don't have the same build up, and honestly, don't sell themselves that well either. Gortash at least has a great VA like Ketheric

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The fight against Ketheric was the best imo. When I finally beat him and cleared out his tower it really felt like I saved the world. Compared to the Elder Brain that is.

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's cringe because death that isn't from old age is a minor inconvenience for a powerful spellcaster. In DnD you have 200 days to resurrect somebody.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Powerful Spellcaster
      Anon, you think it's EASY to find one that can cast True Ressurection and not piss off a god or two doing that?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah it's easy if you can cast the spell. The spell description doesn't mention a god being able to intervene in it. It's your god given right!

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          There are options besides 3th level Revivify and 9th level True Resurrection.
          Raise Dead is 5th level, costs a diamond worth 500 gold and requires a corpse you want to resurrect with all body parts attached AND you have to do it in 10 days after death. Any level 9 cleric could reasonably do that, damn, Baldur's Gate is pretty close by, I'm sure that there are some medium level clerics around.
          Resurrection is 7th level, costs a diamond worth 1000 gold, requires any remains of a creature that not died from an old age and it can be dead for a 100 years maximum. It also regrows missing body parts for free.
          I just can't believe he couldn't scrounge a 500 gold diamond in 10 days.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    He is evil but he is not a nihilist.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    He should have been the main antagonist of BG3, like Irenicus and Sarevohk before.

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can we agree that JK Simmons kinda phoned it in with him?
    He was by far the most bored character I encountered during my playthrough, everyone else ranged from okay to sounding way too enthusiastic, but ketheric just sounded like he was about done to wrap up his time in the story and just wanted you to worry the frick up
    Which sucks, because JK Simmons could totally pull the character off

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some lines sounded great but others sound like he recorded them on a home mic and sent them in

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >others sound like he recorded them on a home mic

        Lae'zel's lines in the epilogue. It soundes like she was on Skype. Was it just me? An audio bug or did anyone else get that?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          She was an astral projection. It was intentional

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah we can't agree homosexual
        he fit the roll well, and his "tired of this" delivery was spot on for the character

        I completely disagree. His introduction scene was perfect. The way he says "try again", his entire delivery in general. He sounds like the character has to sound like. Ketheric is old and weary and immortal, full of sorrow and emptiness. He wasn't supposed to sound enthusiastic or evil. Just an old man who sold his soul. He was the most toned down of the three because it's the character's nature.

        Okay, well, frick me I guess, I thought I had uncovered this hot take that everyone felt and nobody spoke about but turns out I just didn't vibe with it
        Dunno, I just never felt threatened by him, Orin was unironically more threatening despite being a jokey character for most of the time

        based, but a weak tired delivery from such a prolific actor... or was that the point? idk he sounded bored

        Based opinion

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I can understand the intent of the direction, but still felt disappointed by the performance. Seems like they could have hired anyone with a decent voice to do one tone of delivery, wasteful to use Simmons like that.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      nah we can't agree homosexual
      he fit the roll well, and his "tired of this" delivery was spot on for the character

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I completely disagree. His introduction scene was perfect. The way he says "try again", his entire delivery in general. He sounds like the character has to sound like. Ketheric is old and weary and immortal, full of sorrow and emptiness. He wasn't supposed to sound enthusiastic or evil. Just an old man who sold his soul. He was the most toned down of the three because it's the character's nature.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      based, but a weak tired delivery from such a prolific actor... or was that the point? idk he sounded bored

      >actor plays soulless, immortal tired character
      >sounds empty and mournful
      >idiots on the internet say actor "phoned it in"

      No wonder most Oscars go to overacting perfomances. People only notice good acting when it's in your face. Playing an apathetic character is a thankless job for an actor because of that.

      My only problem with Ketheric is how little he was in the game. It felt like Simmons was available only for a day. The entire second act couldn't shut up about him then when I met him it was already over (I went to moonrise towers last).

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        My issue is that, for an immortal prone to violence, he never felt threatening at any point
        I don't buy the idea that in order to convey that he was bored of existing he also had to come off as non threatening as possible, even during the final battle when things were clearly not going in his favor

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >My only problem with Ketheric is how little he was in the game. It felt like Simmons was available only for a day. The entire second act couldn't shut up about him then when I met him it was already over (I went to moonrise towers last).
        Maybe that, but it's also the point where all the story pacing gets a little out of hand. Act 3 suffers more from it, but all the Moonrise stuff feels rushed

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Act 3 suffers more from it

          I agree but at least in Act 3 Gortash and Orin felt more present. Orin especially. Ketheric was just sitting there and you had to find him, meanwhile everyone in the game suddenly wouldn't shut up about this guy.

          I think the big problem is that they made a bunch of goblins the villains of Act 1, instead of properly setting up the main villains. They only appear as silhouettes in the end and by the time I got to act 2 I had no idea who the frick Ketheric was. When I beat the game I tried to remember who was the villain of Act 1 and couldn't. Then I realized "oh, it was the goblin camp".

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I feel like it would've been better handled if Minthara/Kethric took on a more center role in act 1. Instead you got a few goblin bosses.
            Act 2 was probably the weakest in terms of content, with act 3 having much more shit to do.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >it would've been better handled if Minthara/Kethric took on a more center role in act 1

              True. By the time I was finishing the game I kept seeing people on the internet talking about Minthara and having her as a companion and I had no idea who the hell she was. I completely forgot her. I just talked to her once, killed her and the goblin camp then went away. She felt like some random NPC.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fair point, there's a ton of dialogue referring to Ketheric relative to his actual screentime. I wonder if the early access model hurt the overall story by keeping Act 1 relatively low-stakes and noncommittal.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly? Yeah. Act 1 is probably the weakest in terms of story connectivity. There's very little binding it to the other parts of the game. I *did* enjoy the game, but it feels like a bit of a waste that you spend all that time in the goblin camp. When you have JK Simmons RIGHT THERE. Hell, have Minthara lead a warparty or two to come after your ass. Set her up as a Rival you can defeat or recruit.

              >it would've been better handled if Minthara/Kethric took on a more center role in act 1

              True. By the time I was finishing the game I kept seeing people on the internet talking about Minthara and having her as a companion and I had no idea who the hell she was. I completely forgot her. I just talked to her once, killed her and the goblin camp then went away. She felt like some random NPC.

              This too. You can easily miss her despite the choice between her and Halsin not even being a contest. Halsin's a fine character, but he's up against one of the more interesting companions.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It has nothing to do with the character, it has everything to do with the quality of the audio and the use of his voice. There is video of the guy doing the voice lines. He's reading straight off a page with zero fluctuation in his expression or posture. No energy. In game his voice fails to capture that distinctive gravel in his voice when he's actual annuncuating something, because they just had him whispering into the mic and then turned up what was clearly him originally speaking in his quiet voice

        If you watch simmons play a more cool headed character like in "Burn After Reading" or a more well received VA performance like Omni man, even when he's speaking calmly. You can still see him moving his head, making expressions as he speaks, adjusting his posture, communicating with his hands. There is energy and direction there that just wasn't there for Ketheric.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You don't know what acting is if you don't think the character matters.
          Are you expecting him to do his Jonah Jameson voice?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You misunderstand. There is a propper way to do a character like Ketheric in a game like this and it isn't what they did. BG3 thrived off very energetic, almost theatrical performances. Many of the best VA moments in this game like Durge's intro or Astarions rections, have an almost Shakespearian quality to them. When acting there is a huge distinction between film acting and theatre acting.

            Ketheric feels muted and bland because they had Simmons performing a tired and cynical man as seen on film. When they should have done the character as seen on stage. Think of something like an actor performing one of Hamlet's or King Leer's soliloquys.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Eh, I think I disagree with you. Just because some character performances are successful in one vein doesn’t mean every character on screen, even major performances, need to follow suit. That can come with its own baggage, with players getting tired of the same energy being replicated universally. On the most extreme end, this can result in Marvel movie-itus, where characters are colorful, but decidedly one note. I’m not accusing you of advocating for that style of writing or anything, I just think at times striated tone can be a good thing.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm saying how the game presented Ketheric in game and how Simmons performed are fundamentally at odds with each other. Ketheric is often across rooms from the player when speaking to them, giving orders to minions, however most of JK's acting is done in a very quiet tone as if speaking to someone very close. Additionally the direction between the in game model and the actor isn't there in the same way it is for Party members. When Ketheric does have little blurbs of emotion in his voice, his model doesn't show it. Then there are times his model looks like he's finally angered or saddened by something, but his voice doesn't follow cue.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt he had much to work with. Ketheric is barely in the game, and most of his characterization is dumped by other characters.
      For what he was given Simmons did fine. Not his fault he was given a brief underwritten character.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wife and daughter
    the double wammie of cucking

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want to "romance" Jaheira.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Me too. I guess they didn't let us because of lore reasons since she's a character from previous games but man, I wanted that experienced meat.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think you know what a nihilist is.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thorn battle was a total disappointment
    After finally managing to free that bullshit immortal ability you have to go through TWO fricking scripted battle scenes.
    Worse than marvel boss fights

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Thorn battle was a total disappointment

      It was the only good one out of the three, lol. Shit, out of the 4. Elder brain sucked too.

      I was expecting Gortash and Orin to summon Bane and Bhaal too because of Ketheric but instead they just had a stupid second phase. I was shocked by how ridiculously easy Gortash was.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gortash has a second phase? I broke all his toys and stomped a puddle into his head.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          He enlarges, which is hilarious 'cause he looks like a giant midget.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you don't drop him right after bringing him to a certain HP threshold, he gets a power-up from Bane that makes him bigger, refills most of his HP, makes him immune to fire/force/thunder, and lets him punch people around the room. He didn't do any of that in my playthrough since his AI glitched and we ended up fighting him alone after all his goons.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol. I threw a smoke bomb at Gortash and ran up to the roof. they all chase you up a ladder cartoon style, and my team just slaughtered them as they came up

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    J.K. phoned it in.

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >god is a shit so you ditch them
    base-
    >by crawling directly to another god
    cring-
    >and then ditch them in turn to crawl to another god
    uh

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Picrel is the definition of pleb filter
    Those who read a lot of fantasy and got used to the certain rules of spectacle and coolness, epic fantasy vibe, would love it.
    Those who only read capeshit in their life will call it Power Rangers and cringy shit.
    Those are typical uneducated mongoloids.
    This scene elevated the game for me to 10/10.
    It should have ended after Myrkul fight though.
    The drop of stakes and suspense after the rollercoaster of Act 2 epicness felt like the kick in the balls.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I called it Power Rangers and I loved it.

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >meet gortash for the first time in person
    >he's already lower level than me

    why the hell did they make him level 9?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      he's a politician

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think they expect most people to fight him right away. But yeah I was also level 10 coming into Act 3.

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is both. It is cringe, but it is based to be cringe and to accept it.

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Goolash was the best vilian.
    I like how he actually keeps his word, is a total bro and won't betray you.

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