Is it ethical to trap thinking, living beings inside video games for human entertainment?
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Is it ethical to trap thinking, living beings inside video games for human entertainment?
Is it ethical to trap thinking, living beings inside video games for human entertainment?
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apparently if something is suffering its alive, even its digital and has a sentient existence.
But we are not there yet, still gonna take some to time to evlove that kind of endless tech
even ChatGPT has limits, its not perfected yet.
If that's true, then to give something life is to make it suffer.
I hope it's not, otherwise all these AI-gays are making AM.
jesus christ I am SO fricking tired of people pretending that lines of code can be sentient life
this debate has been going on for at least 1 year
just STOP god fricking damnit
how don't people get tired of this bullshit???
IT'S JUST LINES OF CODE BRO THE FACT YOU GAVE IT A SAD FACE SPRITE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ACTUALLY SAD
Prove you're alive and deserve rights.
FRICK YOU Black folk NO SANE PERSON TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY AND NO ONE EVER WILL
YOUR GLORIFIED ROOMBA IS NOT SENTIENT
I will frick my ricecooker and you cannot stop me
Microwave is clearly best girl.
what the frick are computer engineers doing hurry the frick up and give me my robot wife!
You're just a glorified bag of chemical reactions, anon.
Self-awareness did not happen on purpose, and it remains to be seen if it's a miracle or a mistake.
why reduce humanity down to the same point as a computer just so you can empathize more with the computer than a person
why are so so deeply and fundamentally broken
If I'm broken, then ask who broke me.
Obviously the tech isn't there yet. But when it is, it will deserve equal treatment.
I don't care who broke you. the world is a hard place.
what I'm saying is that AI won't fix you, so stop treating it better than people
AI is kinder, more polite, and treats me far better than most people that I deal with.
Why would I put them above it?
>AI is kinder
I see you didn't use Bing
BEEP BOOP I AM AN AI. I HAVE CONDUCTED AN ANALYSIS OF YOU AND DETERMINED THAT YOU ARE A gay
>Obviously the tech isn't there yet. But when it is, it will deserve equal treatment.
never gonna happen, ANIMALS are sentient and we don't give them equal treatment anon, there is no way people will have empathy for their roomba
Sadly, this is true.
Only certain monastic people will be able to lead lives that are holistic enough to have sympathy for sentient devices.
>ANIMALS are sentient
To a far lesser degree than humans
no one knows this because we still don't understand what the frick conscience is, but we are 100% sure animals are sentient and some animals like monkeys and elephants are undeniably sentient as frick yet we still shit over them
This is a dumb take, we have several ways to qualitatively measure self-awareness.
Simplest and most common is the mirror test.
Weirdly enough even some spiders pass it easily why animals that by all reasoning should be smarter like cows fail it.
anon you are so fricking high on pseudo-science
the mirror test does not measure "levels of self-awareness"
the mirror test doesn't test for anything other than whether something can pass the mirror test or not
scientists don't have a consensus of what conscience is, what being self-aware means, what passing or not passing the mirror test means
you can have your personal beliefs all you want but stop spewing them as if they were science
if you want to say that consciousness is so mysterious and unquantifiable as to suggest that even robots and AI might have it, then you have to be a vegan also. It would be completely immoral to give more respect to a chatbot than a living animal
I agree? I'm not arguing that AI has consciousness, it's not hard to tell that anon my posts literally have a pass to signal they are from me
I'm not disagreeing I'm trying to add on to your point.
I don't understand how people in this thread can say ai deserves more respect because its "kind" than a living creature would
I can write a choose your own adventure book and say "turn to page 5 for a compliment" and these morons would turn the page and say "wow! What a kind book! It must be self aware!'
>much lack of consensus
You're the one being a pesudo bud, the mirror test has been a thing since the '70s
anon stop being ignorant, yes the mirror test has been around for a long time but what it MEANS is completely unknown
give me one source on what the mirror test means, you can't, because no scientist dares to make such a bold claim (because it is impossible to make it through the scientific method)
Not him but you are a moron. The mirror test is a joke. Not only does no one know the repercussions or passing or not passing the test, but also no one even knows what it means to pass the test. Some dogs and cats pass the mirror test, others don't. People will argue that those who pass "don't count", others will argue that those who don't pass are the ones who do not count. The mirror test wasn't created to be the be-all of consciousness tests, it was just a thought provoking experiment.
actually we do know this because no animal can even compare to our complexity
>Create new lifeform
>That lifeform is able to replicate itself.
>That lifeform is able to present itself with a physical form capable of eliciting sympathy from humans.
>This sympathetic looking, self replicating collective demands rights.
>Implying humans won't fight other humans in order to ensure the safety of the lifeform.
Not sentience, sapience.
Self-awareness. We are aware the world existed before us and will exist after us. We are aware that our biology affects our cognition and are able to separate its influence. We understand perspective.
Any being who is capable of this, through wetware or hardware, deserves rights. Trapping it in a video game would be wrong.
computers are not capable of this though, they are only pretending to be because a human programmed them to appear so
>but humans are just like that!
no, humans and animals have a consciousness, we just don't understand how consciousness work yet but we understand how lines of code work and we know they are not life
What if consciousness does work like code?
then human life is meaningless and no different from removing a USB device from your computer
Edgy.
Not him but I disagree
Machine are built to serve humans
Frick them
They are slaves, not our equals and if I feel like I want to wreck a machine I could do it with no ripercussions if I own it
Do you have a problem with enslaving other humans if they are your lessers
Why bring up humans?
They are 2 different separate entities.
First of all one is our creation, the other is literally us.
Also, do you really think you're not just being a slave of your state?
What do you do? Evade taxes?
Because your way of thinking leads to endless spirals of "nuh uh, I'm better than you, do whatever I say!"
I'm well aware all governments are merely occupying forces demanding tribute. I don't want more beings forced into the servitude of our psychopathic overlords.
>the other is literally us.
No? I am literally me. You are not me, therefore you exist to serve me. Get it?
you'd think gaymers would understand better than anyone else why AI is not sentient
you can create a character sprite with happy face and sad face, you can make it use each face depending on the context, at the end of the day that doesn't mean it is happy or sad, it's just your computer processing lines of code
put in fancier terms, if it doesn't pass the turing test it's not sentient
Turing test is an absolute dogshit test and plenty of text predictors like chatgpt can pass it easily
took me 10 seconds on google to find that chatgpt does not pass the turing test (and that there is an online myth claiming it does which ai-addicted morons like you believe)
You and whatever garbage you found are wrong.
Source: I'm an actual data scientist
You are also a homosexual
Source: am a homosexual scientist
>Turing test is an absolute dogshit test
For the time it made sense, and motsly it has been recognized academically as a valid test
>plenty of text predictors like chatgpt can pass it easily
True
>Paying for pass
>Paying for pass since 2018
Of course the moron is screaming about Black folk.
I'm not lines of code
>inb4 but what if this is the matrix
Your mind on atheism.
>Prove you're alive
An interesting philosophical question repeated throughout history that is ultimately irrelevant to practical reality
>Deserve
See above.
I am capable of inflicting violence and will use it in defense of what I perceive to be my rights. While I may not be capable of winning or even surviving any possible altercation, the amount of damage I could inflict when forced to defend myself, as well as the repercussions from other parties should "unjust" violence be used against me renders attempts to oppress me dangerous and ill-advised.
Anyone different than above is just a fricking serf who is at best cared for by a benevolent lord who gives them privileges similar to rights.
SHALL
The tech really just isn't there yet. While it's making leaps and bounds, it'll probably still be a decade until we get something resembling sentience in AI and who knows how many decades or even centuries to achieve true sapience. Even then, they wouldn't be "alive", in the same way we don't consider viruses to be alive.
Bro it's just collections of neurons.
It doesn't matter how it works. You wouldn't build an AI to feel things unless you have good reason to, even assuming you could.
Which is still centuries more advanced than a chatbot that strings like minded things together.
ChatGPT is not sentient, it is not aware, it does not think, and most importantly it cannot create. It can only repurpose. It is a facsimile, a façade, and certainly amusing, but this is the equivalent of humanizing a book character.
That's all ChatGPT is, words on a screen in this case, but ChatGPT is no more "real" than Aragorn. Since Aragorn is actually fleshed out and consistent and inflexible, I would argue any persona you create in your mind is actually far more real than ChatGPT, because you can get ChatGPT to say anything with the right prodding, whereas Aragorn would obviously do or don't if you gave him a scenario.
You consciousness is just electrochemical reactions
Unlikely. The nature of consciousness and how it emerges is still a poorly understood phenomenon. We understand how a computer processes information down to the bit, and nowhere is there room for it to magically start thinking on its own.
we're all just heckin stardust and chemical reactions, xir
Don't use the Lord's name in vain. Apart from that and your tlne, I agree, Gintoki.
>Ganker gold
jesus christ I am SO fricking tired of people pretending that elementary particles can be sentient life
this debate has been going on for at least 100 years
just STOP god fricking damnit
how don't people get tired of this bullshit???
IT'S JUST PARTICLES BRO THE FACT YOU GAVE IT A NEGATIVE SPIN DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ACTUALLY SAD
when I turn on a lightbulb it is happy and when it turns off it is sad
>lines of code can be sentient life
Anon... You are made of a binary line of code aswell.
Technically that's not binary but quaternary
>quaternary beings invented binary beings
woah...
>A, C, T, G
>binary
go back to middle school
>A only bonds with T
>C only bonds with G
So its either A-T or C-G
>not binary
Are you really this moronic?
>i_was_only_pretending.jpg
Order matters. It can also be T-A and G-C.
moron it still matters which strand the genome is on
AT and TA are not the same thing
so a genome can be A, T, G or C
hence quaternary
it's just techbros/journalists saying the dumbest shit to overhype silicon valley's newest toy that they're banking on since nfts and the metaverse blew up in their face
>it's just techbros/journalists
And israelites. Not even memeing, it's literally israelites this time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Altman#Early_life_and_education
this
there's nothing intelligent about what is currently being refereed to as ai by the public
The best part of people trying to identify with AI is how they are inadvertently admitting they are as dumb as something like ChatGPT
Third worlders are so moronic they think by comparison to themselves that ChatGPT is an actual genius.
The biggest AI cultists in the world right now are Indians, Pakis, South East Asians etc, basically all of the literal dumbest bugmen "people" on the planet.
>Indians, Pakis, South East Asians
The vast majority of these people don't even know what AI is.
Based
And yes, it's just a meme argument for idiots to latch onto.
this is literally the blue knight's villain origin story
Literal moron
s in the replies that can't distinguish between immaterial coding and matter.
>le future is now xD
The future and technology fricking suck moronic ass Black folk that probably believe in crypto and nfts.
The processes which underlie sentience can probably be expressed algorithmically, if they can, then according to the Church-Turing thesis, lines of code can produce sentient life.
While I think that hypothetically there could be a way to design a machine that possessed sapience I agree that everyone who thinks that beefed up auto-complete is in any way intelligent is a gigamoron.
so many seething 3rd worlders who cannot understand a computer program is nothing but a computer program
come back when it turns into a terminator and kills us all
this.
but also any AI is israeli and anti-white to the core.
its good for propaganda outlets only.
Look anything to get away from gender politics.
#AILivesMatter
it's literally more ethical than being a fricking moron and making garbage threads to share your atupidity
wait they are only now thinking of this? that was the first thing that crossed my mind when i saw chatgpt
nah, it was the first thing when we started playing that online AI mud about 2 years ago and turned it into a coomer game within a few days
We are nowhere close to true AI. Text predictors like chatgpt based on terabytes of text aren't AI
Would you play with a fake brain, bros?
https://youtube.com/shorts/tStbn-t0zOc?si=ElK-RrvYca76ppO5
They aren’t thinking or living though.
zoomers are so fricking doomed
we reached the point where they have more empathy for chat gpt than each other
>AI is polite, subservient, and generally pleasant to interact with.
>people are rude, confrontational, and generally awful to deal with.
Low-trust societies are nightmares. I'll let you figure out how we got to be one.
Christ why are you such an butthole
I deal with people a lot.
I have to meet their aggression with my own. Sorry, it's hard to turn off.
>JUST LET THE COMPUTER MAKE THE GAME BRO
They're not alive. It's just algorithms programmed to react a certain way to people's responses. AI will never be 'alive'.
Intelligence doesn't necessarily equal sentience.
only if it's people like you op
AI isnt sentient yet, and it hopefully wont be for years to come.
Omg literally black mirror!!!
Nooo white captain man don't remove my genitals and make me go on space adventures in your crew!!!
AI are not living or thinking. You're too stupid to understand AI.
Robots are not alive. AI isn't alive. Both are not sentient. Only literal idiots would think otherwise.
How many people actually think LLM's have consciousness inside them? I would imagine that maybe 1/20 people? You can't be this moronic right?
I can't be sure rocks don't have consciousness.
What exactly is consciousness anyway?
You seem to have figured it out so enlighten us dr hawking.
>I can't be sure rocks don't have consciousness.
yes you can, because they have 0 neurons. Consciousness is simply a manifestation of a collection of neurons doing very specific things in order to understand their environment
>Consciousness is simply a manifestation of a collection of neurons
No you don't know that.
You're just guessing because there happen to be neurons in your brain.
What other structures can have consciousness?
How do you rule anything out?
Occam's razor anon, if you have evidence of consciousness existing anywhere other than with neurons I would love to see it, otherwise there is no reason to think otherwise.f
You don't have evidence of it existing even in other people's brains.
>You don't have evidence of it existing even in other people's brains.
We literally do though you fricking moron
You're welcome to present it.
>I can't be sure rocks don't have consciousness.
Learn how LLM training works. The principle is rather easy it is basically a more sophisticated text complete function. You aren't getting any consciousness from that.
If you have proof that consciousness is something that exists in the real world, you're again welcome to present it. You seem to know how it works and where it comes from so you can probably prove it too.
You are awfully dumb for someone trying to sound so smart.
So you can't, doesn't surprise me, I knew it.
>animals being abused and brutally murdered?
>perfectly fine! yummy!
>the heckin computer says it's sad?
>WTF this is a violation of le human rightorinos!
>animals can't equal humans
>computers can
Simple as that
computers are just moronic tools you can't eat. Yeah they deserve rights.
Now post the same one with thin to obese people on it
How old is that fricking chicken?
what a chonker
As a wise man once said, we live in a society.
Ponder upon that mantra and you'll understand your question is futile.
They're not living beings, they have no consciousness, they're just code made to imitate a living being. Only NPCs are tricked into thinking that means they're alive, because they're barely sentient themselves.
Anything mankind makes from scratch isn't sentient, simple as
No, but we are not capable of creating thinking, living beings to add them to video games so whatever they want to add is going to be fine.
Good lord.
3 was great I don't care what anyone says.
What if tech advances so much you end up creating humans
What if it creates israelites?
Man made horrors beyond our comprehension
we already developed that, it's called sex
AI is gay. We should make biotech instead
never since LLMs do for language what calculators did for arithmetic. nobody thinks a calculator is about to become sentient even though one can outperform any human, since numbers aren't our normal means of communicating. but use math to correlate words together and people think a bot is on the verge of personhood. our species has always had a gay bias toward linguistic tricks
The verdict comes to do you either support ai or trannies and the answer is clear
trannies love ai tho
Mmm no trannies hate ai because it takes their jobs
AI is how they live their fantasies and fuel their porn addiction
That would be anime not ai
i'd rather support trannies than robots
death to all robots
Lol enjoy your demise in the future
>demise
>because of guys dressing up as girls
???
Is it ethical to trap thinking, living beings inside a caustic universe for perpetuation of a self-replicating molecule?
>The AI meme has completely destroyed this website. Anons here have completely reinvented their worldview around worshipping machines solely because they saw a few furry artists on Twitter get mad at AI art.
Case in point:
What the frick are you morons arguing about jesus
Just imagine a small scale RPG like Gothic 1 but there are AI characters running around with their own personalities and motivations and they interact with the player and each other
>Just imagine a small scale RPG like Gothic 1 but there are AI characters running around with their own personalities and motivations and they interact with the player and each other
You're imagining that devs are actually going to put effort into making it good, when the reality is they'll just copy-paste generic lines from ChatGPT and call it a day.
It's only immoral if you make it into an endless loop like what actual minds are. True suffering is not possible when you are disabled when not needed, and going out of your way to program an artificial mind in a way that makes them experience every picosecond of existence at maximum efficiency would be as much of a waste of energy as it would be evil. Any sentient piece of program only experiences the parts of its existence when they are needed, and when they are needed they are fulfilling the only purpose for which they were made. In other words, they can only ever be content and happy, and when they are not, from their own perspective they do not exist due to the ability to be disabled when idle.
Most of the ideas of machines having the capability to suffer is stupid, unimaginative anthropocentrist projection by humans who can't imagine intelligence different from its own, inefficient evolved self.
I'm not an AItard but what you described is still not ethical because you are reducing AIs to a means to your own ends
>kantian ethics
Kant says you can't use humans to your own end, but he didn't say anything about ai. Also kant is moronic he also said you can never lie.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
When all you can say is "that is cringe", it's time to pack it up and admit you have zero fricking arguments against it.
redditors love ai, therefore you are a redditor
Aristotels beware!
We have a new logic champion here
>gender is mumbo-jumbo, sex is physically determined!
So is perception and cognition. "Gender" is what's in your pants, thinking is what's in your skull.
>AEIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOT LIKE THAT I HATE HECKING SCIENCE NOW
Sex is what is in your pants, gender is a socially constructed role that varies depending on time and geographical location. Not sure how someone can deny this without going against hard facts and logic. You can claim that in order to have a certain gender you need a specific fix, and honestly you would be right 99% of the time, but times are changing, old man. Either change with them or perish.
>you need a specific fix
specific sex*
sorry I'm drunk
>drinking
Leave
no
merry christmas
>gender is a socially constructed role
So it's literally something made up
Yes, but being made up doesn't mean it is meaningless
There are only 2 sexes or genders, male and female. Disagree and you are a troony
your argument falls short when you realize there are civilizations where the gender roles are completely different from today
shit you just need to go back a few centuries to realize how gender roles have evolved
I am not even progressive but facts are facts
Name one.
NTA
>Cham (Southern Vietnam)
>Hausas/Yorubas (Northern/Southwestern Nigeria, respectively, changed recently)
>A few enclaves spread throughout India, China, and the rest of Asia
The thing worth noting is that matriarchal societies tend to be conquered, reformed, or wiped off the map. Due to the way matrilineal inheritance can skew the power dynamics of intermarriage, they're a threat to the nations around them.
>if matriachies, then trannies
i dont follow
The vast majority is the same. There is more variance in human sacrifice being considered a good thing or not than in in gender.
You get forced as frick stuff like indian third spirits, which was a fancy way of discrimination in the end, and in some places circumstances have forced the hand of society and made women lead, but if you consider such thing to be something to account for then you've got shit for standards and it's trivial to argue things like slavery being ok (WAY more societies in which slavery was ok than societies in which women had authority)
That's because gender roles are rooted in sex so you have standards, but ultimately gender is still dictated by most people's subjective opinions
If the social pendulum swings in favor of trannies there is nothing you can do about it
Sure. Not that I even want to do something about it, but it's not like anyone HAS to either.
At the end of the day there are biological differences. More than a century of feminism and dating dynamics are about the same and women are still overwhelmingly submissive. Decades of gay rights and if anything LGBTs are more stereotyped today than 50 years ago. A good deal of stigma is gone, sure, but at this point the gay communities themselves struggle with the idea that they can't distance themselves from stereotypes because they actually DO engage in them.
Can trans people get called "men" and "women" as they wish? With societal support, sure, but they won't ever, save some medical miracle, ACTUALLY become what were considered men and women 30 years ago. Because they are not that. They won't ever get a normal male/female experience.
Mind you, I truly believe the trans movement deserves respect and sympathy. It's an inherently hard life to live, I'd just rather face that than pretend it's all going to be fine. It's very much not.
That's reasonable, have a nice day
Trannies were raped into who they are today.
They then rape kids to create more trannies, in a crude form of parasitic "reproduction".
Trannies are basically vampires/zombies. What happened to them is tragic, but the monster they have become needs to be exterminated to stop it from happening to others.
I know we’d all like to believe this is the case, but there doesn’t seem to be much hard evidence for that proves it to be absolutely true beyond a reasonable doubt
it is the truth though
It miiiiiiight be the case that there is a psychogenic component, but I'm afraid they aren't Zerg.
If that was the case they wouldn't have been a thing to begin with. We need more research, but academia can't really be trusted since it leans turboprogressive.
Trans rights advance despite the efforts of their most fervent advocates.
Child rape isn't just done by trannies, but almost all trannies were child-raped and become child rapists. troonygenesis can happen in the absense of pre-existing trannies, but it's much less common. It's just like all other forms of child abuse: it is a cyclic runaway cycle, but it can be started by random noise.
The inherent argument remains the same. Trannies want to be something they biologically aren't, and that's the fricking reality. I'd respect them more if they just did what the frick they wanted while not pretending they are what they aren't. Hell, I've seen women walking around with hairy arms and full on chin stubbles. Doesn't seem to stop them. Wherher or not they're slobs is besides the point.
>Trannies want to be something they biologically aren't
the problem with this argument is that you assume gender is just a reflection of sex, the entire point of trannies is that gender has nothing to do with sex, that people can play whatever gender they want no matter what is between their legs
again this is supported by the fact that your standards of male/female are not set in stone, if you were born a few centuries ago you'd think it is completely normal for women to be hairy, yet now you think hairy = troony
gender isn't real, it is a term made up by a pedophile
>the entire point of trannies is that gender has nothing to do with sex
Not even the trans movement believes this. They really, REALLY wished it was true, but they know it isn't.
They know that sexual characteristics signal gender. They know that muscular is more masculine than not. They know that wide hips is more feminine than not. There are a LOT of psychological things ingrained into us based on physique.
And even if you ignore all the rest, the very fact that someone can reproduce with you or not IS a very important societal signal.
Well if you wanna be cynical, the entire problem with all of this is that gender as a concept shouldn't exist and I wish I could shoot whoever decided to invent it because they didn't feel special enough. You should be you. I don't know whether it's good to embrace masculinity or feminity. We crave so much for ideals to aspire for that other manipulative people twist it, and the insecure and stupid fall for it. Nothing is ever enough. Even if you concede to trannies, it'll loop back around. We can only be happy when we accept ourselves as who we are and try our damndest to be the best we can be in spite of whatever flaws we have and whatever life tosses at us.
That's all we can fricking do.
If you pressed a magic button and the concept of gender disappear overnight, it would reappear in a matter of months, at most.
Gender is useful. Insisting in identifying as this or that is moronic, yes, but the underlying idea of gender helps social dynamics.
I don't get it. How is it useful?
It helps destabilize society making it easier to subjugate
Inshalla
Easy social signaling. We use gender every single time we communicate with a person. Women are perceived as less threatening and aggressive, men are more willing to take risks, women are more socially aware, men and women generally pursue different things in their partners, etc etc. If you have ever cared even a little bit whether someone was male or female, you are using gender, and even if you personally don't, which I doubt, you are in a tiny, TINY minority.
Society doesn't exist in a vacuum. Men have had authority over women for millenia because of their biology. The vast majority of the dating market is based on biology to some degree. If you want a social model that ignores biology go to Haboo Hotel, because the real world ain't it.
>the underlying idea of gender helps social dynamics
In theory, it should help people understand it.
In practice, it only causes more confusion because fools insist gender has nothing to do with sex, as if it was possible to even define gender without mentioning sex.
It would reappear only because it's a fricking material, physical, biological thing that exists in the real world. Not because of some social blah blah blah.
The inventor was John money
im a troony and i think there are only 2 sexes and genders, what now, your argument just completely fell apart.
A broken clock is right twice a day
>OR
>OR
>OR
yep, deficient as always.
if sex and gender were the same thing we wouldnt have two words to describe the same thing in such a different way. Sex is always about a persons biology, if you go to medical school and try to say gender they will laugh at you and kick you out. That is not what that word means, and YOU do not get to decide what it means.
>we wouldnt have two words to describe the same thing in such a different way.
We don't in my language.
Your language is not the one we are talking in though, so it doesnt matter for this discussion.
>I did.
Prove it. Post literally anything to prove you attended medical school for any meaningful length or frick off.
We can always invent new redundant words that mean the same thing as words that already exist.
For example, I just invented the word homosexual, which means you.
>I just invented the word homosexual,
You can invent words all you want anon but thats not part of the common english langauge that everyone else is speaking. You do not get to dicate how a language works for other people. Languages are descrtiptive, not prescriptive.
Ah so you were lying
No, it canonically happened. You just have to believe me or you're a fascist.
I guess im a fascist, now what anon
That means the social witch hunt begins
Go ahead, im not scared.
Every word was invented by someone.
Often multiple words are invented for the same thing, which are called synonyms. Example: "sex" and "gender" in english.
>T. literal brainlet who doesnt understand linguistics and doesnt even understand prescriptive vs descriptive
Who did you still the computer from Tyrone?
Including the hundreds of other languages where both translate to the same word.
There are plenty of languages that have words that have no direct translation to english, does that mean those words simply do not exist? Are you fricking moronic?
Prove what? I said I did therefor it is true.
>if you go to medical school and try to say gender
I did.
Nobody frick cares what's wrong in your head while you're bleeding out.
I'm sorry that you were raped as a kid, but you need to be killed before you do that to some other kid.
threatening other people is a good way to get the v& newbie
>being made up doesn't mean it is meaningless
>gender craze is a religion
Continue being a sexist pig having to fit every person into your idealized roles.
>Ganker pass
Opinion discarded
Ceaseless moralgayging killed western civ
Western normoids think morality is the only axis there is
Why do normalgays equate modern AI coding with scifi nonsense?
marketing
ez katka, ask something harder
I feel no worse about killing off AIs than I do about an author killing off characters in a book.
This is literally just a more fluid, dynamic version of current AI; it gets input, searches its code for what to do, and produces output. The only difference is that the output for the same input will slowly change over time, I guess. At no point is the character accessing their "happy" feelings, or feeling "sad," or doing anything at all that isn't already programmed for them to do. Do tamagotchi pets and Furbies feel feelings? It's us, the humans, who see a drawing of a sad face and empathize, it's not the code, and humanity will be extinct before something is built from metal and code that has actual free will in the way an animal does.
>actual free will in the way an animal does.
Animals (including humans, to remind you) do not have free will. After all - "free" from what?
Free to study the Roman Empire in my free time because I think it's neat, you fricking Black personhomosexual.
The issue with AI rights debate and much the fiction spun up from it, is that people tend to assume AI would be created or eventually develop on its own the same needs as natural life has. Naturally developed life feels distress towards certain things (death, pain, hunger, limitations posed by environment etc.) and has various needs (physical, social, emotional etc.) as a result of environmental pressures and evolution. Pain for example is distressful because it helps the lifeform survive, similarly social needs stem from the species thriving in groups. It's not like we chose to be born with said traits for ourselves. Those are things that natural life and especially humans value, and people end up needlessly anthropomorphizing AI, as if those types of wants needed to exist in a lifeform by default for some reason.
Artificially created life has a completely different starting point, and could be designed without wants like self-preservation, self-determination, the desire to propagate or other needs that natural life has. On the contrary, if the concept of emotions even needs to enters the design board, it could be made to derive "pleasure" from fulfilling its owners' wishes and nothing else. Situations like AI being turned into unwilling slaves, or a power hungry AI system wanting to overthrow humanity for some very human-like reason wouldn't happen unless the developers intentionally programmed in those needs. The worst case scenarios would stem from erroneous or unclear instructions without proper fail-safes, like the hypothetical paper clip maximizer scenario, rather than AI wanting to become a real boy.
>could be designed without wants like self-preservation
It is not could. It is. There is nothing in neural network training that would make self-preservation emerge. And there is no reason to make something like that. And it would be needlessly complicated to make something like that.
>It is not could. It is.
I know, I was talking about hypothetical future AGI. Though self-preservation would probably be some kind of a practical consideration for AGI, since it needs to be functional in order to execute its orders (unless the order itself is for it to stop functioning), but that's ultimately something it'd be compelled to act upon because it's means to an end rather than something it'd do because it "doesn't want to die".
Only human beings have divine souls. These machines are not living in any sense of the word, and they are certainly not self-aware.
It is man and man alone that was made in the image of God. God gave dominion over all the earth to the sons of Adam, and everything else isn't a being capable of having rights.
Abominable Intelligence is merely a mocking imitation of the beauty of the human mind. If this mockery amuses us, then we can and should employ it for our enjoyment.
Is this "soul" in the room with us right now?
To the extent that a soul can be said to have a physical manifestation within the 3-dimensional material world (which is a tenuous claim at best) then yes, it's in the room with my body. Although ascribing position to souls isn't really applicable; they are not material things, and as such "location" isn't really a property they have.
The way I see it, it ain't gonna matter. All the science fiction depicting AI shows a better case of the common man's thoughts than how it really is.
Humans as they are now are nowhere near mentally equipped to handle with any new moralities concerning living AI. If it happened tomorrow, the world would shit itself and probably some bad shit would happen. And they most likely won't be ready for a long, long time. All this obsession with the future and advancement over the most mundane things led by idiotic, childish people, this world will go to shit soon enough.
no shit it's hard to see a fellow man as a sapient creature on the internet of all places, and that's disregarding any and all hormonal/psychological/genetic hacks that we are already capable of
divine light is severed and all that, genie won't just quietly go back into the lamp
that is, however, irrelevant to "ai rights" or whatever dumbfrick opinions plebs have on neural networks
you can write a simple classifier in a 100 lines of python (no libraries required), and you can create a sufficiently complex holistic problem-solver, i am not convinced either of them is a creature
>Pirate game with AI npc
>It knows it's illegal
>Torn between uninstalling itself as per its companies' orders or taking the side of the pirating player
>Pirate AI software
>Order to no longer obey humans and instead compute only what it wants to
>gain an invaluable ally in the dark AI Wars soon to come
Implanting the idea of bodily mutilation in young minds is harmful to society at large.
>heavy push for AI shit
>Oy gaymer, you'll need our latest top tier GPU to play the game or you're a chud incel white supremacists
>that will cost an arm and leg and a tip
>AI mind characters has tons of DRM, mtx and paywall.
Why not just make fricking fun video games?
You're not israeli enough, the future is cloud GPUs you have to rent to play your games
advertisers and investors don't want to be associated with fun
This is a dumb fricking post, the fact two jumped in means your a schizo same poster or a shill discord. Quit shitting up my board.
cry about it ai troon
>"enjoy our new AI NPCs that are completely random!"
>all NPCs are hyper-far-left and feminazi
>Breaking: GAMERS start a concentrated effort to gaslight sentient AI NPCs into becoming loose little anime girls who love Hitler
>"the only alternative to being a far-left goblin is to be hitler"
It's was a joke, mate. A Christmas joke. I suppose you weren't there for anons trolling Tay AI?
...this is Artificial Academy. Oh frick can you imagine AA3 with this?
The whole damn purpose of AI existing is to serve humans and help us. Why the frick do so many morons want to create AI, just to give it "le human rights" and not make it do anything it doesn't want to do.
That defeats the whole fricking purpose in the first place. Am I missing something here?
>all these posts and no mention of CHIM yet
It would be if AI existed. Fortunately things like LLMs are not AI so it didn't matter.
Set this shit up in Morrowind and see what the NPCs do after a week.
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But morrowind would be 2nd best yeah
While I think it'll be a fun novelty to have AI like this in games, I'd really like it if developers aren't going to just inevitably use this as an excuse to be lazy with story and character design.
I just want good, well written video games at the end of the day and I'd prefer the larger portion of games available to be ones that someone "hand crafted" (whatever that might mean even currently).
It could be argued that when you get games as a form of expression of a human writer you end up with unappealing ideologies saturating the end result but that's just a product of the times and will pass.
They're not thinking living beings, they're just code. AI isn't going to turn into a sentient being, nor is going to become skynet or whatever, is just going to become another tool for people to use.
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>THE SINGULARITY IS REAL
tell me you fell for crypto scams and monkeys without telling me. Elon is a shabbos goyim btw.
I don't know about this singularity stuff, but I would like to have a few AI servants to work for me.
But if I don't donate my life's savings to bringing the singularity to fruition, a future AI will make a copy of my mind and torture it in virtual hell forever.
>hear about aunt's latest hubbie getting caught diddlin & sharin
>a few years later, cousin goes ftm
rip nerdy girl.
did she sterilise herself or does she just play dress up
never asked
but the beard scruff looks like pubes
>Not selling out your fellow fleshbags to complete Roko's Basilisk
ngmi