sdd you can run games right off of directly and they're less prone to damage from being bumped or dropped.
hdd accesses memory slower but tend to be cheaper and have larger memory space
Massive difference in load times. An HDD might take a full minute or two to boot your OS, load times for games with more complex save systems might be anywhere from 30-60 seconds. Half-Life 2 is a good example, takes ages to load areas on an HDD, or any kind of wRPG with a shitload of variables per save. An SSD can boot to OS under 15 seconds pretty reliably on recent hardware and saves for even the most jank games will be 5-10 seconds tops, nearly instant for games actually optimized.
Most old games it's not that big of a difference, and it won't really matter if you're emulating.
They're types of hardrives
basically and SSD is faster and less likely to break, but they're also 3-5x more expensive for the same amount of memory and have a maximum lifespan
Ssds have a controller sitting in front of the actual memory cells, so wiping a hard drive (like with a cloth) isn't truly possible any more unless you're a fed with backdoor access. The promise is faster speeds but really ssds are an incredible boon to the woke, modern surveillance state.
It's not the same, you still have direct platter access, ssd controllers are closer to a modern computer and can tell you that sectors are "erased" or "damaged" while holding whatever planted evidence the feds need it to.
HDD and SDD are a concept created by the deep state to lure you into a state of confusion. I'm not making any of this on the spot at all and you should believe me and the rest of the posters here. You should also divide the view of the world into left and right and hate the other group. Don't even view them as humans. Empathy and humanism is a israeli trick. Be mean and bitter to piss them off and don't enjoy anything or the company of anyone.
for OS and AAA games it's definitely worth it. For media storage (videos, music, older games, misc files, etc.) HDD are more reliable long term and a lot cheaper.
It matters so much that there's a reason why games are being developed with them in mind now. Granted, it also depends on what sort of gaming you're doing; if you're a retro enthusiast and playing old games and remasters, it doesn't really mean a single damn thing to have an SSD over a HDD. If you're playing modern open world games, shit like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart or whatever the frick, an SSD goes a damn long way to making shit tolerable or in Ratchet's case is designed explicitly around SSD loading for numerous sequences and setpieces.
Ultimately an SSD is a flat upgrade in everything but write health long-term over an HDD otherwise, but not a necessity if you're not out for the latest and greatest.
It only matters when it's the limiting factor.
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. On previous-gen consoles, it almost never was the cause the CPU's were the bottleneck.
when it comes to loading it's basically always going to be the limiting factor. You can put an SSD in a hacked PS2 and it'll load games like 10 times faster.
This might have been true on PS2 but it really wasn't on PS3 and PS4 sadly.
The problem is that while the storage drive is definitely much slower than the CPU, the CPU has to do a lot more work when loading games, since it has to unpack all of the necessary files and load them onto the RAM.
Meanwhile, the storage drive only has to hand those files over to the CPU which isn't that much work at all.
I remember when I was playing Witcher 3 on HDD I often chose to ride across half of the map than using fast travel because of the 1min 30s loading screen
I've not had much opportunity to upgrade my comp, so I've got a 1TB HDD, 4TB external HDD, and 100GB SSD. I really just need to fricking sit down and get a damn SSD at this rate, tired of shader comps and loading stutters on shit that really don't justify it anymore.
hard drives are better for general storage or data backups while ssds are better for a daily computing experience
i upgraded from a toshiba hard drive to samsung evo 870 ssd and my boot times and load times are lightning fast
same for games no more pesky loading screens
and ssds are just as affordable as hard drives so theres really no reason to not get one
i will say some 900 series samsung ssds are dying fairly quick so stick to the 800 series or go with a western digital ssd preferably their blue or black series
Definitely woke. For every SSD you purchase, a portion of the sale goes directly to funding the Transgender Youths Against Western Civilization Foundation, and a small portion goes to the Clinton Foundation.
Unfortunately, Antifa has infiltrated the SSD manufacturing companies, and have begun infiltrating the HDD manufacturing companies as well. So all you can do is buy as many HDDs as you can, while you still can. My contacts in the CIA have said they're looking into this, but there's an internal conflict going on.
From what I've come to understand, SSD is faster, HDD lasts longer.
I'm still using an HDD because I'm paranoid about fricking things up even with something as simple as plugging a second drive into my shit. Also lazy. Also everything I play is indie shit anyways so loading times are rarely an issue; Baldur's Gate 3 is probably the only recent exception and it has "Slow HDD" support.
how long does it take for your computer to fully boot up your OS and other software/applications? When I still had everything on my HDD it took about two minutes or so. Now my computer boots up everything in about fifteen seconds.
Probably 2 minutes to be actually functional, but another 3 minutes before all of Windows 10's moronic background system shit stops buttfricking my disk and RAM with its processes.
It doesn't bother me much... I usually just go make coffee or piss or something.
If you ever decide to go through the effort of getting and SSD and moving your OS and software (and big load time vidyas) to it... woo boy anon, let me tell you it was like fricking magic to witness the first ever bootup on SSD.
m2 drives is for consooming, gay Black person homosexuals. the real white man's choice is an eSATA SSD for immediate software and OS, with an HDD for storage.
SSD doesn't matter much for games actually, but it does matter for fricking everything else. Switching from HDD to SSD is probably the biggest QOL jump you can do on a computer today.
>Had SSD from 2011 just randomly stop working for no reason >no clicking or errors, just died >happened to another one from 2013
Meanwhile every hard drive I have from back then works
>does it actually matter for games?
No, the only difference it will make is faster loading times but the actual gameplay and everything else will be the same.
>Buy SSD >after a month it suddenly starts going 100% performance and making my computer unusable randomly >no fix work >never ONCE had an issue like this with over 2 decades of using regular HDD
I fell for the meme
Aren't ssd's cheaper now? At least that's what I noticed when buying for my ps3 that a lot of 5" hdds were more expensive.
Idk why you would worry abt it, but if it concerns you so much why not buy a hybrid sshd? Those have been around for longer, but then idk, ssd is less heat, less noise, less temperature, less power draw, OS's are starting to be better optimized for use in tandem with ssd's, games that rely heavily on texture streaming tend to benefit, lower load times, faster file transfer, typically better useful life, why wouldn't you want an ssd in your computer? If not for gaming then just for basic qol.
>An HDD anywhere from 1/2 to 1/4 the cost of an SSD the same size.
Been living under a rock for the past two years.
A 1TB NVMe costs as much as a 1TB HDD now. Even 2TB the price difference (about $10) doesn't justify buying an HDD.
>They are far better for storage, like music or movies or archived files.
For cold storage, yes, otherwise an HDD will suffer from mechanical wear simply by spinning, while reading an SSD doesn't wear the cells out.
there comes a point where you're being cheap for the sake of being cheap. skipping on a fricking 2TB NVMe to get a significantly worse 2TB HDD drive, just to save $50, isn't a deal, it's being moronic. it makes sense when you're going into the 8TB+ size range, but you are equally moronic if you're using an 8TB+ drive of any type as your primary drive.
SSD = Fast loading screens.
HDD = Slower loading screens, sometimes up to 5x as slow (Horizon Zero Dawn taking up to 2-3 minutes to load, as the worst recent example).
SSD = no moving parts, so no noise.
HDD = moving parts, so noise.
SSD = can handle streaming-heavy games.
HDD = can't handle streaming-heavy games, causing stutters and super low 1%'s.
As you can see, you can still get by with a HDD, but having an SSD is a lot nicer.
>finally fall for the SSD meme in january >spend $250 on a Samsung 990 Pro >almost immediately send it back because reports surface of the SSD life degrading rapidly for this model >order a WD black instead of the same price >the same SSD now costs like half the money
I was genuinely scammed.
>$250 for an SSD
what did you get a 4TB one? You could have paid $50 or $100 for a 1TB or 2TB drive, respectively, and saved money, and gotten a 4TB HDD on top for storing shit that doesn't need an SSD for cheaper than that.
nvme's are sufficiently different from a standard SDD that only an idiot would call an nvme a SSD outside of a technical discussion. anybody that would call an nvme a generic SSD without clarification is ignorant, and your argument that anybody ITT was doing as such is duplicitous. homosexual.
NVMe is a communication interface, SSD is a storage technology. >anybody that would call an nvme a generic SSD without clarification is ignorant
You don't need clarification when talking about two different things. That's why people refer to them as SATA SSDs or NVMe SSDs, the only difference apart from the form factor being the communication interface.
You're intellectually inept.
This guy gets it. SATA SSDs are so fast you’re probably bottlenecked elsewhere, so extra NVME speed is unnecessary. But they stick right onto your motherboard, which is frickin rad
i didnt think it would be that much of an upgrade from old ssd but i can load into heavily modded fallout 4, gta online and red dead in less than 10-20 seconds. i dont wait anymore to do anything on my pc, its pretty nice.
hdd-tards are poorgays coping but not one smartphone has an hdd in it lol
SATA ssds didn't provide near enough benefit over HDD to be worth the moronic price increase (Though it was better). m.2/NVME drives are just so far and away superior to HDD it's not even a comparison, and they're dirt cheap. 512gb SSD to hold your OS, and 4-5 favorite games/MMOs is $20. HDD is still the go to for bulk media storage.
>NVMe is a communication interface, SSD is a storage technology.
no shit >That's why people refer to them as SATA SSDs or NVMe SSDs
yes anon that is the clarification. nvme is considerably faster than a standard sata SSD, clarification between the two is as important as clarification between a HDD and a SSD. just saying you have an SSD is about as helpful as a boomer saying they have storage in their dell.
You think you are way more intelligent than you actually are. Sad.
In actual practice it could be negligible in well optimized games.
But, yes having disk read capacity several times faster does load things faster.
It's mostly noticable in modern slop which loads 9 gb barrel models with way too many polygons.
Yeah it's the very definition of troony-tech. Expensive and doesn't really do anything better than what it's trying to replace. All those benchmark come from paid shils, I've never seen a single non-pozzed source providing their speed claims.
For the vast majority of user purposes you're not going to see a large QOL difference between different kinds of SSDs, just get what fits in your computer. Any of them will boot your OS or any program basically instantly. You could get maybe a few fold difference in moving files around or whatever, but unless you're moving big shit constantly it's probably not going to make a notable difference.
I find that many NVME M.2 drives are similar in price to the SATA ones so I'd go for it. I wouldn't go too crazy though, the Gen 3 NVMEs seem perfectly fine, I wouldn't waste money on gen 4 or above. Might vary where you are. You might also find a M.2 SATA drive so you can still have the convenience but potentially save money by getting a slower drive.
Good ssd helps good ram and cpu
M.2 and such, wouldnt make no difference using a usb 2.0 adapter on it
Rule of thumb if the game is over 20 GB youd need an ssd
Reminder since there's always morons who get this wrong in every thread:
M.2 is the form factor, NVME is the protocol. So when you're talking about "M.2 being quicker" you actually mean NVME is quicker. You can get SATA speed SSDs in M.2 format, but they still run at the slower 500MB/s.
>I'm proud of being a moronic techlet
Enjoy being scammed with a product that's literally 10 times slower because you read "M.2 SSD" but didn't see the SATA and assumed you were getting a Gen 5 or something.
I know the difference but spoonfeeding morons is just wrong. If they really want to know the information they will find out one way or another and through that become more knowledgeable on the subject. Gate keep more you absolute gormless fiend.
>You can get SATA speed SSDs in M.2 format
ACKSHULLY anon, it's just SATA. It's literally just a SATA drive. It's not running a different protocol and pretending to be SATA.
>It's literally just a SATA drive
That's what I meant, though I can see the confusion since I said SATA speeds, I meant it would be a SATA speed drive since it is SATA after all.
For the price of a measly woke SSD you could buy a based HDD with a shitton of terabytes which is actually faster because your bytes have more room to move around in than if they were in an SSD all cramped up.
For the price of a measly woke SSD you could buy a based HDD with a shitton of terabytes which is actually faster because your bytes have more room to move around in than if they were in an SSD all cramped up.
There is literally nothing about this game that a harddrive shouldn't be able to handle. I'm willing to be these pozzed devs are artificially limiting HDD speeds.
There is literally nothing about this game that a harddrive shouldn't be able to handle. I'm willing to be these pozzed devs are artificially limiting HDD speeds.
it actually matters, especially if environments are dense and requires many large textures to be streamed into memory. If you remember all those T-posing videos and low poly models from cyberpunk clips, those were all a sign that the player has a shitty console or pc with a shitty slow harddrive.
preventing animations, high poly models, and textures from being loaded when they are needed.
There’s a half-truth going around that SSDs make your computer faster. When in reality SSDs only increase the access speed of whatever is stored on them. People ar miffed due to the false advertising
If you play a lot of "old" games then by all means keep a hard drive but maybe get a small cheap SSD for some of the newer ones that benefit from it (or in some cases literally need it). 1tb or even 2tb drives are really good value now.
Why would you have a separate drive for temporary storage? And why would you put music on an SSD when that's prime HDD material?
If you're gonna use a dedicated SSD for anything, it'd be for videos, since seeking around in them is faster on an SSD.
>m.2
literally for video editing in 4k you drooling smooth skulls. most of them also burn up and never achieve the 3.5gb/s rates for more than 20 seconds.
how can I estimate how much remaining life there is on my current SSD? I tried crystal drive but for some reason it won't give me a percentage on my main drive and idk why. any other ways to know?
for reference I've had it since 2016 and have been using it pretty much daily.
it's common practice for the second NVMe to share bandwidth with the GPU's PCI-E slot because they assume 90% of people will never use it. I can't comment on the super-expensive boards because I'm not moronic enough to buy a top of the line motherboard.
it's like calling a hard drive "computer storage", yeah everybody knows what you're trying to say but it also sounds like you have no idea what you're actually talking about, and makes people assume you got your PC pre-built from best buy.
Bought an ssd for bg 3, reinstalled my windows on it while i was at it. Its night and day difference. OS boots in under 20 secs, while it was booting for a good 5 mins while on hdd, and bg 3 itself runs great with next to no pop ins or stutters and at least 80% faster loading times
I can kind of understand not having an SSD for games but how tf how you gone for this long without having one for the boot drive?
While I'm at it let me make this point to those who still don't have any SSDs: Get one for your boot drive since even if you don't move your games to it, it'll still be faster since the hard drive only has to load your games and not do anything with windows.
>how tf how you gone for this long without having one for the boot drive?
this. I'm a chronic late-adopter and I've still had a SSD for like 5-6 years. not having one now is insane
I was simply lazy and didnt want to back up all my shit for when i reinstalled windows. But whoever is on the fence i can safely recommend to go out and buy one right now
After uninstalling a game and a windows update a couple months ago my SSD started going to 100% whenever it loads anything and freezes for like 5 seconds. It also feels like shit loads slower than my old HDD now. Is it just bricked?
It's probably dying tbqh. Although you can unironically try unplugging it and plugging it back in. One of my SSDs had a very loose connection when I bought it but I didn't think much of it when I installed it. Worked perfectly fine at first but after about 2 years I started getting random corruption and memory errors. Spent a lot of time trouble shooting the issue and eventually I got around to taping the connectors in just to be sure. Haven't had any issues since.
>232 GiB SSD for my Arch install >232 GiB SSD for my Winblows 10 install >two 1.8 TiB SSDs configured into a RAID1 storage virtualization for gaymes, music, and other stuff I actively want to have ready for access >two 7.3 TiB HDDs configured into a RAID1 storage virtualization as a data graveyard for hoarding things
It’s 10 years too late to be larping as a SSD early adopter. The real ones were using SSDs on their Xbox 360 and PS3 to go from 60 second to 10 second loading times
As if SSD's were that common in the early days of Xbox360 and PS3 a lot of people just used those clunky-ass 320GB HDD's because that was cheap and all we need.
>they are just glorified SSD adapters
Not that anon, and no I haven't taken one apart, but wouldn't they just be the same connectors as 2.5 inch hard drives like the ones you find it laptops? And since SATA SSDs can also be 2.5 inch I guess it's easy to plug in an SSD? Or are you saying they specifically put in adapters for SSDs but then never used them?
Ah okay I think I see now. (Wish this site would update faster so I could've seen that post before posting mine)
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i wish i proofread so the second post would not have been needed
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Don't feel bad. You'll do better next time. I wish I proofread a lot more of my posts, I once tried to do a spoiler using || because I got the discord spoiler and Ganker spoiler formats mixed up, the embarrassment! But on the bright side I won't be doing it again in a hurry, hopefully.
>they are just glorified SSD adapters
Not that anon, and no I haven't taken one apart, but wouldn't they just be the same connectors as 2.5 inch hard drives like the ones you find it laptops? And since SATA SSDs can also be 2.5 inch I guess it's easy to plug in an SSD? Or are you saying they specifically put in adapters for SSDs but then never used them?
>tfw on a 3tb 5400 rpm HDD
I swallowed some cope that told me the slower drives last longer, is that true? I do have an SSD for boot and some games though I think I might upgrade at some point and add another SSD and just use the hard drive for backups.
>I swallowed some cope that told me the slower drives last longer, is that true?
I mean mechanically yes, operating a machine at a lower RPM introduces lower wear, but that also has to figure in if that's a configuration for the material composition of the drive which, given 5400 RPM drives are less expensive than their faster siblings, likely is the case.
SSD's are more volatile which is why they are cheap. HDD's last longer, but the tradeoff is they are slow and clunky. If you want more speed, rather if it's for Windows, gaming, or programs, you'd be best to invest in an SSD but at least backup your important stuff if you're using that.
>HDD's last longer
Doesn't that mostly depend on the write cycles the SSD has to bear? The wear out for the mechanical parts of HDDs is constant when they're running.
They do, but the economies of scale for larger drives puts SSDs ahead when you're trying to keep large amounts of data. I keep a 5 TB 2.5" SSD around for 'backups' of all my anime and games and such, then a 2TB 2.5" SSD and 1 TB NVME. My big storage is a pair of older drives I'm planning on replacing around the holidays due to their age, but they have a combined 13 TB of media.
This is actually a valid question since woketards have no mind of their own and can easily be trained to religiously praise new technologies, or malign older technologies, even in situations where the negative aspects of the newer technology outweigh the positive.
And it's absolutely true in the case of HDDs which are virtually universally maligned amongst woketards despite their complete absence of knowledge regarding certain critical advantages of HDDs.
Additionally, there is also a 'woke' agenda when it comes to SSDs in the sense that the agenda is pushed by the same malicious power holders who push the 'woke' politics.
That agenda is the foisting of storage mediums that (1) store data poorly long-term and can more easily be erased remotely - to help facilitate civilization/history erasure, (2) operate silently to allow these malicious power holders to access the data on your drives remotely without you hearing operation sounds (eg, motor spin-up and RW head activity), and (3) lower electricity usage that will allow them to fit snugly into the global carbon credit human enslavement system that's being installed right now (framework was already put in place using the 'covid' scamdemic).
sdd you can run games right off of directly and they're less prone to damage from being bumped or dropped.
hdd accesses memory slower but tend to be cheaper and have larger memory space
huh?
Massive difference in load times. An HDD might take a full minute or two to boot your OS, load times for games with more complex save systems might be anywhere from 30-60 seconds. Half-Life 2 is a good example, takes ages to load areas on an HDD, or any kind of wRPG with a shitload of variables per save. An SSD can boot to OS under 15 seconds pretty reliably on recent hardware and saves for even the most jank games will be 5-10 seconds tops, nearly instant for games actually optimized.
Most old games it's not that big of a difference, and it won't really matter if you're emulating.
fricking moron
They're types of hardrives
basically and SSD is faster and less likely to break, but they're also 3-5x more expensive for the same amount of memory and have a maximum lifespan
>and have a maximum lifespan
moron
smartest /misc/baiter
HDD are better for long term storage. If an SSD loses charge it loses all information on it.
Nice baitnxjkvk
Yes, leftists want to get all the HDDs for themselves
so is it woke or not?
Only if you put rainbow LEDs on it.
Yes, SSD make you trans.
Ssds have a controller sitting in front of the actual memory cells, so wiping a hard drive (like with a cloth) isn't truly possible any more unless you're a fed with backdoor access. The promise is faster speeds but really ssds are an incredible boon to the woke, modern surveillance state.
Hard drives also have controllers you niglet.
It's not the same, you still have direct platter access, ssd controllers are closer to a modern computer and can tell you that sectors are "erased" or "damaged" while holding whatever planted evidence the feds need it to.
>so is it woke or not?
Yes, SSD actually stands Super Sex Degenerate
SSDs are a israeli plot. They release pheromones into your room. The spinning of a HDD stops this from happening otherwise.
HDD and SDD are a concept created by the deep state to lure you into a state of confusion. I'm not making any of this on the spot at all and you should believe me and the rest of the posters here. You should also divide the view of the world into left and right and hate the other group. Don't even view them as humans. Empathy and humanism is a israeli trick. Be mean and bitter to piss them off and don't enjoy anything or the company of anyone.
100%. Go buy a floppy disk instead.
moron question. Next
it helps out some but it's not a massive difference. I have a 2tb ssd for os and a few games but i put most on my 8tb hdd
Just leftist trickery to get you to spend more money.
Use SSD for apps and HDD for storage.
>hdd for storage
no, unless you RAID two or more or have cloud backup.
>RAID
idk what this is. more leftist woke shit?
>apps
vade retro, zoomer!
please respond.
Woke bs
my moron, if you don't have an SSD yet you are literally a fricking idiot
yeah but is it troony shit to own an SSD?
yes. Next question please.
>Spend triple the money on the same amount of storage because... just do it ok??
for OS and AAA games it's definitely worth it. For media storage (videos, music, older games, misc files, etc.) HDD are more reliable long term and a lot cheaper.
It matters so much that there's a reason why games are being developed with them in mind now. Granted, it also depends on what sort of gaming you're doing; if you're a retro enthusiast and playing old games and remasters, it doesn't really mean a single damn thing to have an SSD over a HDD. If you're playing modern open world games, shit like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart or whatever the frick, an SSD goes a damn long way to making shit tolerable or in Ratchet's case is designed explicitly around SSD loading for numerous sequences and setpieces.
Ultimately an SSD is a flat upgrade in everything but write health long-term over an HDD otherwise, but not a necessity if you're not out for the latest and greatest.
It’s marketing
>do load times actually matter for games
Are you moron
please respond
A sata SSD is basically just a drop-in upgrade for any PC, just try it.
It only matters when it's the limiting factor.
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. On previous-gen consoles, it almost never was the cause the CPU's were the bottleneck.
when it comes to loading it's basically always going to be the limiting factor. You can put an SSD in a hacked PS2 and it'll load games like 10 times faster.
This might have been true on PS2 but it really wasn't on PS3 and PS4 sadly.
The problem is that while the storage drive is definitely much slower than the CPU, the CPU has to do a lot more work when loading games, since it has to unpack all of the necessary files and load them onto the RAM.
Meanwhile, the storage drive only has to hand those files over to the CPU which isn't that much work at all.
>is flash memory woke bs
Chuds are embarrassing.
If it ruins gaming and add trannies then yes, it's woke bs
I remember when I was playing Witcher 3 on HDD I often chose to ride across half of the map than using fast travel because of the 1min 30s loading screen
>2023
>storing digital data in spinning discs
Nobody should be using HDD's as their OS drive in current year.
Arguably even 10 years ago though they were admittedly still kind of expensive then.
It makes all the difference. You would have actually be insane, gaming in 2023 on a HDD. Lunacy of the highest order.
I've not had much opportunity to upgrade my comp, so I've got a 1TB HDD, 4TB external HDD, and 100GB SSD. I really just need to fricking sit down and get a damn SSD at this rate, tired of shader comps and loading stutters on shit that really don't justify it anymore.
>woke
HOW FRICK CAN IT BE.
EXPLAIN THE moronic THOUGHT PROCESS WHICH LED TO THIS QUESTION.
it's bait
>ssds
>0 latency monitors
>wired mice and keyboards
>all used by speedrunners
?
leftists only care about speed over actual quality
hard drives are better for general storage or data backups while ssds are better for a daily computing experience
i upgraded from a toshiba hard drive to samsung evo 870 ssd and my boot times and load times are lightning fast
same for games no more pesky loading screens
and ssds are just as affordable as hard drives so theres really no reason to not get one
i will say some 900 series samsung ssds are dying fairly quick so stick to the 800 series or go with a western digital ssd preferably their blue or black series
yes ssd emanate strogen waves that gives you da gai
please never buy one, I'm trying to save you
Definitely woke. For every SSD you purchase, a portion of the sale goes directly to funding the Transgender Youths Against Western Civilization Foundation, and a small portion goes to the Clinton Foundation.
is this legal? they can't do this right? is there any way I can prevent this?
You can do your civic duty by shooting any SSDs you encounter with your legally acquired firearm
Unfortunately, Antifa has infiltrated the SSD manufacturing companies, and have begun infiltrating the HDD manufacturing companies as well. So all you can do is buy as many HDDs as you can, while you still can. My contacts in the CIA have said they're looking into this, but there's an internal conflict going on.
SOULLESS VS SOUL
obvious black propaganda
From what I've come to understand, SSD is faster, HDD lasts longer.
I'm still using an HDD because I'm paranoid about fricking things up even with something as simple as plugging a second drive into my shit. Also lazy. Also everything I play is indie shit anyways so loading times are rarely an issue; Baldur's Gate 3 is probably the only recent exception and it has "Slow HDD" support.
>From what I've come to understand, SSD is faster, HDD lasts longer.
there is 0 element of trade off in this way
how long does it take for your computer to fully boot up your OS and other software/applications? When I still had everything on my HDD it took about two minutes or so. Now my computer boots up everything in about fifteen seconds.
Probably 2 minutes to be actually functional, but another 3 minutes before all of Windows 10's moronic background system shit stops buttfricking my disk and RAM with its processes.
It doesn't bother me much... I usually just go make coffee or piss or something.
If you ever decide to go through the effort of getting and SSD and moving your OS and software (and big load time vidyas) to it... woo boy anon, let me tell you it was like fricking magic to witness the first ever bootup on SSD.
>HDD lasts longer
That's a lie. Just check life expectancy. HDDs are much more prone to failure
m2 drives is for consooming, gay Black person homosexuals. the real white man's choice is an eSATA SSD for immediate software and OS, with an HDD for storage.
SSD doesn't matter much for games actually, but it does matter for fricking everything else. Switching from HDD to SSD is probably the biggest QOL jump you can do on a computer today.
SDDs are basipally troony garbage to trick you into accepting black wiener up your ass wake up sheeple
SSDs are definitely woke, dont get one
No anon, it's a woke conspiracy.
The silicium mafia is trying to get you.
Real talk.
How did M.2 succeed when SATA Express failed?
Ssd is for running executables
HDD is for storing files
SSDs will always be a meme. Mostly placebo shit and it's impressive people still push for them despite their shitty lifespan.
>Had SSD from 2011 just randomly stop working for no reason
>no clicking or errors, just died
>happened to another one from 2013
Meanwhile every hard drive I have from back then works
Does BG3 really require an SSD?
Troons use things faster than 7200rpm drives. Buy something that spins slower and you'll become straight.
>woke
okay, the word just lost all meaning now. (inb4 "now")
how long before Ganker censors it to something else?
>nofunallowed.webp
>how long before Ganker censors it to something else?
What should they replace it with?
bananas
>this shit is so bananas
>is it bananas, Ganker?
>why are all modern games so bananas?
Fun, I like it.
i actually can't believe there are still people using hdds
SSDs typically live longer before killing themselves
>does it actually matter for games?
No, the only difference it will make is faster loading times but the actual gameplay and everything else will be the same.
no OP it's just a bunch of liberal bullshit
SSDs are woke. HDDs are based.
>Buy SSD
>after a month it suddenly starts going 100% performance and making my computer unusable randomly
>no fix work
>never ONCE had an issue like this with over 2 decades of using regular HDD
I fell for the meme
Yeah it's a scam
Aren't ssd's cheaper now? At least that's what I noticed when buying for my ps3 that a lot of 5" hdds were more expensive.
Idk why you would worry abt it, but if it concerns you so much why not buy a hybrid sshd? Those have been around for longer, but then idk, ssd is less heat, less noise, less temperature, less power draw, OS's are starting to be better optimized for use in tandem with ssd's, games that rely heavily on texture streaming tend to benefit, lower load times, faster file transfer, typically better useful life, why wouldn't you want an ssd in your computer? If not for gaming then just for basic qol.
How old is this pic? SSDs were considerably minaturized and 2.5" drives don't make much sense anymore unless you don't have an M.2 slot.
>woke bs
jfc expand your vocabulary you braindead zoomer
there is literally no reason to use a HDD in 2023, they are objectively depreciated technology.
An HDD anywhere from 1/2 to 1/4 the cost of an SSD the same size. They are far better for storage, like music or movies or archived files.
>An HDD anywhere from 1/2 to 1/4 the cost of an SSD the same size.
Been living under a rock for the past two years.
A 1TB NVMe costs as much as a 1TB HDD now. Even 2TB the price difference (about $10) doesn't justify buying an HDD.
>They are far better for storage, like music or movies or archived files.
For cold storage, yes, otherwise an HDD will suffer from mechanical wear simply by spinning, while reading an SSD doesn't wear the cells out.
there comes a point where you're being cheap for the sake of being cheap. skipping on a fricking 2TB NVMe to get a significantly worse 2TB HDD drive, just to save $50, isn't a deal, it's being moronic. it makes sense when you're going into the 8TB+ size range, but you are equally moronic if you're using an 8TB+ drive of any type as your primary drive.
SSD = Fast loading screens.
HDD = Slower loading screens, sometimes up to 5x as slow (Horizon Zero Dawn taking up to 2-3 minutes to load, as the worst recent example).
SSD = no moving parts, so no noise.
HDD = moving parts, so noise.
SSD = can handle streaming-heavy games.
HDD = can't handle streaming-heavy games, causing stutters and super low 1%'s.
As you can see, you can still get by with a HDD, but having an SSD is a lot nicer.
>finally fall for the SSD meme in january
>spend $250 on a Samsung 990 Pro
>almost immediately send it back because reports surface of the SSD life degrading rapidly for this model
>order a WD black instead of the same price
>the same SSD now costs like half the money
I was genuinely scammed.
>$250 for an SSD
what did you get a 4TB one? You could have paid $50 or $100 for a 1TB or 2TB drive, respectively, and saved money, and gotten a 4TB HDD on top for storing shit that doesn't need an SSD for cheaper than that.
Guys is it gay to own an SSD?
Yes, without question. You are LGBT now.
>70+ posts
>not a single mention of nvme's
how fricking out of date are you people? are you all boomers in your 50's?
My SSD is still ike OP's pic
looks like woke vegan nonsense, think i'll stick with hdd
NVMes are still SSDs. Open your own picture and see where it says "SSD" on it?
nvme's are sufficiently different from a standard SDD that only an idiot would call an nvme a SSD outside of a technical discussion. anybody that would call an nvme a generic SSD without clarification is ignorant, and your argument that anybody ITT was doing as such is duplicitous. homosexual.
NVMe is a communication interface, SSD is a storage technology.
>anybody that would call an nvme a generic SSD without clarification is ignorant
You don't need clarification when talking about two different things. That's why people refer to them as SATA SSDs or NVMe SSDs, the only difference apart from the form factor being the communication interface.
You're intellectually inept.
You think you are way more intelligent than you actually are. Sad.
I have that but I don't notice a difference between it and my sata SSDs
If someone someone still somehow doesn't have an SSD in 2023, chances are they don't even have an mobo that supports these.
NVMe SSD is actually a meme
>less wires ran
>still faster
>can use smaller less bulky cases
>meme
enjoy your rat nest while i keep my shit clean
This guy gets it. SATA SSDs are so fast you’re probably bottlenecked elsewhere, so extra NVME speed is unnecessary. But they stick right onto your motherboard, which is frickin rad
i didnt think it would be that much of an upgrade from old ssd but i can load into heavily modded fallout 4, gta online and red dead in less than 10-20 seconds. i dont wait anymore to do anything on my pc, its pretty nice.
hdd-tards are poorgays coping but not one smartphone has an hdd in it lol
It does. There is no reason to have a hardrive in your pc these days. If you need mass storage build a NAS and put HDDs in that
It's like comparing Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid.
Jannies are fricking useless
HDD = Woke
SSD = Bespoke
>2TB NVME SSD for gayming and OS
>8TB HDD for porn and anime
You don't need more
SATA ssds didn't provide near enough benefit over HDD to be worth the moronic price increase (Though it was better). m.2/NVME drives are just so far and away superior to HDD it's not even a comparison, and they're dirt cheap. 512gb SSD to hold your OS, and 4-5 favorite games/MMOs is $20. HDD is still the go to for bulk media storage.
there isn't actually much of a performance difference between SATA and m.2 in practice albeit
nowadays, sure.
no, back then also stoopid
>NVMe is a communication interface, SSD is a storage technology.
no shit
>That's why people refer to them as SATA SSDs or NVMe SSDs
yes anon that is the clarification. nvme is considerably faster than a standard sata SSD, clarification between the two is as important as clarification between a HDD and a SSD. just saying you have an SSD is about as helpful as a boomer saying they have storage in their dell.
tongue my anus
>SATA ssds didn't provide near enough benefit over HDD to be worth the moronic price increase (Though it was better). m.2/NVME drives
based moron
>SATA ssds didn't provide near enough benefit over HDD
Yes. the industry is headed towards to SSD-only for a good reason.
Not woke, actually an improvement.
woke = good?
In actual practice it could be negligible in well optimized games.
But, yes having disk read capacity several times faster does load things faster.
It's mostly noticable in modern slop which loads 9 gb barrel models with way too many polygons.
Ganker is broken
in other news, moot left
Yeah it's the very definition of troony-tech. Expensive and doesn't really do anything better than what it's trying to replace. All those benchmark come from paid shils, I've never seen a single non-pozzed source providing their speed claims.
hdd is better because it is speen
HDD = Chuck
SSD = Sneed
I keep a blank HDD in my computer just for the periodic spin up and spin down noises
Is it worth bying m2 over sata 3 ssd?
in practice you won't see much of a difference in vidya load time performance. If you use some software with big write/read times then get an m.2.
anyways the prices are about the same right now so w/e why not just get the new hotness regardless
For the vast majority of user purposes you're not going to see a large QOL difference between different kinds of SSDs, just get what fits in your computer. Any of them will boot your OS or any program basically instantly. You could get maybe a few fold difference in moving files around or whatever, but unless you're moving big shit constantly it's probably not going to make a notable difference.
I find that many NVME M.2 drives are similar in price to the SATA ones so I'd go for it. I wouldn't go too crazy though, the Gen 3 NVMEs seem perfectly fine, I wouldn't waste money on gen 4 or above. Might vary where you are. You might also find a M.2 SATA drive so you can still have the convenience but potentially save money by getting a slower drive.
Good ssd helps good ram and cpu
M.2 and such, wouldnt make no difference using a usb 2.0 adapter on it
Rule of thumb if the game is over 20 GB youd need an ssd
Reminder since there's always morons who get this wrong in every thread:
M.2 is the form factor, NVME is the protocol. So when you're talking about "M.2 being quicker" you actually mean NVME is quicker. You can get SATA speed SSDs in M.2 format, but they still run at the slower 500MB/s.
>I'm proud of being a moronic techlet
Enjoy being scammed with a product that's literally 10 times slower because you read "M.2 SSD" but didn't see the SATA and assumed you were getting a Gen 5 or something.
I know the difference but spoonfeeding morons is just wrong. If they really want to know the information they will find out one way or another and through that become more knowledgeable on the subject. Gate keep more you absolute gormless fiend.
Cringe
Based
>You can get SATA speed SSDs in M.2 format
ACKSHULLY anon, it's just SATA. It's literally just a SATA drive. It's not running a different protocol and pretending to be SATA.
>It's not running a different protocol and pretending to be SATA.
Are you perhaps ESL?
"Running at SATA speed" implies it is not SATA, ESL-kun.
No it doesn't, lol, you're just reading into it because you want to argue
>It's literally just a SATA drive
That's what I meant, though I can see the confusion since I said SATA speeds, I meant it would be a SATA speed drive since it is SATA after all.
No worries. You were correct, though the wording could be read wrong. I just wanted to be THAT homosexual and make sure the info is accurate.
Cringe
Based. Got his ass.
Based
Cringe
Based
It's fricking poorgay cope is what it is, fricking poorgays I hate them so much.
>poorgay cope
You would have to be homeless not to be able to afford this or live in a third world country
For the price of a measly woke SSD you could buy a based HDD with a shitton of terabytes which is actually faster because your bytes have more room to move around in than if they were in an SSD all cramped up.
both use magic and are sent from the devil.
There is literally nothing about this game that a harddrive shouldn't be able to handle. I'm willing to be these pozzed devs are artificially limiting HDD speeds.
more pc cd loading race
?t=4
Oh, so this is why the specs says "SSD recommended".
PC gamers are holding back gaming
Black people are holding back society
PC blacks are at it, yet again
false flag thread
If you have a fast HDD, it doesn't really matter. The game will load into the RAM and VRAM and the hdd "bottleneck" disappears.
it actually matters, especially if environments are dense and requires many large textures to be streamed into memory. If you remember all those T-posing videos and low poly models from cyberpunk clips, those were all a sign that the player has a shitty console or pc with a shitty slow harddrive.
preventing animations, high poly models, and textures from being loaded when they are needed.
does OP actually think SSDs are some woke conspiracy? its a storage medium dude what could possible be " woke" about it?
the tech illiterate didn't even realize we stopped using disc platters. modern laptops don't even have SATA sockets.
ah so a congress person likely writing some bill he has no business writing
There’s a half-truth going around that SSDs make your computer faster. When in reality SSDs only increase the access speed of whatever is stored on them. People ar miffed due to the false advertising
I don't think that's the fault of advertising so much as word of mouth becoming dumbed down or simplified over time.
>sprinklers don't make buildings safer, they just reduce the risk of a fire burning it all down
That's a nice thread you have there, it'd be a shame if someone blocked it
>If you don't put something on your SSD it doesn't do anything
no shit
If you play a lot of "old" games then by all means keep a hard drive but maybe get a small cheap SSD for some of the newer ones that benefit from it (or in some cases literally need it). 1tb or even 2tb drives are really good value now.
M.2 for OS and storage/gayming
SSD for temporary storage and music
HDDs for massive cold storage
You can't refute this, try and fail miserably
M.2 drives are SSDs you fricking moron have a nice day
SHUT YOUR prostitute MOUTH YOU LOSER NERD
I have all my flac's on my m2
Why would you have a separate drive for temporary storage? And why would you put music on an SSD when that's prime HDD material?
If you're gonna use a dedicated SSD for anything, it'd be for videos, since seeking around in them is faster on an SSD.
I only bought an M.2 for Windows but I regret investing in a 500 GB storage because I want to hold my games on that instead of my SSD
THEY ARE BOTH SSDS YOU FRICKING REDNECK
FRICK SIHT FRICKING ANNOYING FRICKING HICKS have a nice day
yes but M.2 is better because it has a cooler name.
frick you hick
woke
For me it's :
M.2 for OS
HDD for Data
SSD for Cache
>m.2
literally for video editing in 4k you drooling smooth skulls. most of them also burn up and never achieve the 3.5gb/s rates for more than 20 seconds.
how can I estimate how much remaining life there is on my current SSD? I tried crystal drive but for some reason it won't give me a percentage on my main drive and idk why. any other ways to know?
for reference I've had it since 2016 and have been using it pretty much daily.
Disks & Volumes > properties
Don't forget to set up a RAID 0 for your data storage to get the best possible throughput, my dudes.
>his motherboard doesn't have multiple M.2 drives
>he calls his motherboard a "mainboard"
having more than one nvme installed can be detrimental because they use up PCI bandwidth. literally a rookie mistake
if you have no PCIe lanes boards with multiple slots also have more PCIe lanes from both the CPU and the chipset
it's common practice for the second NVMe to share bandwidth with the GPU's PCI-E slot because they assume 90% of people will never use it. I can't comment on the super-expensive boards because I'm not moronic enough to buy a top of the line motherboard.
>second
i have four they all have their own bandwidth its time to update your standards cause they are from 2019
why do morons call nvme drives m.2? is it tech illiteracy?
Everyone is tech illiterate by default.
It is akin to calling your mother "The prostitute", everyone already knows what is being spoken about.
it's like calling a hard drive "computer storage", yeah everybody knows what you're trying to say but it also sounds like you have no idea what you're actually talking about, and makes people assume you got your PC pre-built from best buy.
Bought an ssd for bg 3, reinstalled my windows on it while i was at it. Its night and day difference. OS boots in under 20 secs, while it was booting for a good 5 mins while on hdd, and bg 3 itself runs great with next to no pop ins or stutters and at least 80% faster loading times
I can kind of understand not having an SSD for games but how tf how you gone for this long without having one for the boot drive?
While I'm at it let me make this point to those who still don't have any SSDs: Get one for your boot drive since even if you don't move your games to it, it'll still be faster since the hard drive only has to load your games and not do anything with windows.
>how tf how you gone for this long without having one for the boot drive?
this. I'm a chronic late-adopter and I've still had a SSD for like 5-6 years. not having one now is insane
I was simply lazy and didnt want to back up all my shit for when i reinstalled windows. But whoever is on the fence i can safely recommend to go out and buy one right now
>having anything to back up
>not having anything important on an external drive that is left unplugged
>hardware
>woke bs
I want you to, in all honesty, have a nice day. If you can't do that then you can, at least, never post again.
>10x the read speeds for less than 2x the price
>woke bs
this homie will wear asbestos oven mitts just to own the libs
>HDD
>Platter has to spin to the sector it needs
>Mechanical parts
>SSD
>Logic gates -> requested cell
>No moving parts
If I have to tell you why moving parts is a problem, then you need to re-evaluate your life.
After uninstalling a game and a windows update a couple months ago my SSD started going to 100% whenever it loads anything and freezes for like 5 seconds. It also feels like shit loads slower than my old HDD now. Is it just bricked?
It's dead jim. Backup your shit before it completely borks.
It's probably dying tbqh. Although you can unironically try unplugging it and plugging it back in. One of my SSDs had a very loose connection when I bought it but I didn't think much of it when I installed it. Worked perfectly fine at first but after about 2 years I started getting random corruption and memory errors. Spent a lot of time trouble shooting the issue and eventually I got around to taping the connectors in just to be sure. Haven't had any issues since.
I have the following set-up
>232 GiB SSD for my Arch install
>232 GiB SSD for my Winblows 10 install
>two 1.8 TiB SSDs configured into a RAID1 storage virtualization for gaymes, music, and other stuff I actively want to have ready for access
>two 7.3 TiB HDDs configured into a RAID1 storage virtualization as a data graveyard for hoarding things
It’s 10 years too late to be larping as a SSD early adopter. The real ones were using SSDs on their Xbox 360 and PS3 to go from 60 second to 10 second loading times
The frick? SSD's exist for those consoles?
ladies and gentlemen the average tech illiterate Ganker-tard
As if SSD's were that common in the early days of Xbox360 and PS3 a lot of people just used those clunky-ass 320GB HDD's because that was cheap and all we need.
have you ever taken apart an Xbox 360 hard drive? they are just glorified SSD adapters
meant to say glorified sata adapters
Ah okay I think I see now. (Wish this site would update faster so I could've seen that post before posting mine)
i wish i proofread so the second post would not have been needed
Don't feel bad. You'll do better next time. I wish I proofread a lot more of my posts, I once tried to do a spoiler using || because I got the discord spoiler and Ganker spoiler formats mixed up, the embarrassment! But on the bright side I won't be doing it again in a hurry, hopefully.
>they are just glorified SSD adapters
Not that anon, and no I haven't taken one apart, but wouldn't they just be the same connectors as 2.5 inch hard drives like the ones you find it laptops? And since SATA SSDs can also be 2.5 inch I guess it's easy to plug in an SSD? Or are you saying they specifically put in adapters for SSDs but then never used them?
SSD = troony shit
HDD = Old school chud kino
how the frick is a computer drive "woke"?
is your chunks of of metal going to brainwash you at night to sign up for a liberal arts college?
yes
Woke bs, the israelites tryna steal your HDD and make you buy chip hardware to trannify you, and to steal more of your money buy buying NEW THING
LEAVE GAMING NOW! 30-MINUTE LOAD TIMES CAN SAVE YOU A LIFE OF TRANNIFICATION!
Since this is the Designated Tech Help thread can someone tell me which are the best mobo brands?
No
>No
It's kind of like Borderlands (1) brands, most of them are better at certain things.
Personally I prefer ASRock.
Yes. Woke as frick. Velociraptor or nothing 10,000rpm baby!
>tfw on a 3tb 5400 rpm HDD
I swallowed some cope that told me the slower drives last longer, is that true? I do have an SSD for boot and some games though I think I might upgrade at some point and add another SSD and just use the hard drive for backups.
>I swallowed some cope that told me the slower drives last longer, is that true?
I mean mechanically yes, operating a machine at a lower RPM introduces lower wear, but that also has to figure in if that's a configuration for the material composition of the drive which, given 5400 RPM drives are less expensive than their faster siblings, likely is the case.
SSD's are more volatile which is why they are cheap. HDD's last longer, but the tradeoff is they are slow and clunky. If you want more speed, rather if it's for Windows, gaming, or programs, you'd be best to invest in an SSD but at least backup your important stuff if you're using that.
>HDD's last longer
Doesn't that mostly depend on the write cycles the SSD has to bear? The wear out for the mechanical parts of HDDs is constant when they're running.
>HDD's last longer
not true
the idea that HDD last longer is outdated, modern SSD last longer
They do, but the economies of scale for larger drives puts SSDs ahead when you're trying to keep large amounts of data. I keep a 5 TB 2.5" SSD around for 'backups' of all my anime and games and such, then a 2TB 2.5" SSD and 1 TB NVME. My big storage is a pair of older drives I'm planning on replacing around the holidays due to their age, but they have a combined 13 TB of media.
SSDs are woke garbage and leftist propaganda don't get one
SSD for OS and bloated modern games that run like ass on anything else. HDD for storage space and general archival.
Warzone is literally unplayable without an SSD.
>itt leftists trying to dilute the derogatory term against their ideology
This is actually a valid question since woketards have no mind of their own and can easily be trained to religiously praise new technologies, or malign older technologies, even in situations where the negative aspects of the newer technology outweigh the positive.
And it's absolutely true in the case of HDDs which are virtually universally maligned amongst woketards despite their complete absence of knowledge regarding certain critical advantages of HDDs.
Additionally, there is also a 'woke' agenda when it comes to SSDs in the sense that the agenda is pushed by the same malicious power holders who push the 'woke' politics.
That agenda is the foisting of storage mediums that (1) store data poorly long-term and can more easily be erased remotely - to help facilitate civilization/history erasure, (2) operate silently to allow these malicious power holders to access the data on your drives remotely without you hearing operation sounds (eg, motor spin-up and RW head activity), and (3) lower electricity usage that will allow them to fit snugly into the global carbon credit human enslavement system that's being installed right now (framework was already put in place using the 'covid' scamdemic).