Is it possible to make a lawyer game that is both realistic and fun?
Phoenix Wright is barely a lawyer game it's more like a detective game.
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Is it possible to make a lawyer game that is both realistic and fun?
Ass
>female lawyer
KEK
40% of the lawyers in the USA are women as of 2022, its closer to 43-45 now
Funny, I got a news update today that more females are in law school than males in like 7 out of the 10 top us law schools
Single - Female - Lawyer
Having - Lotsa - Sex
There is a substantial amount of lawyers and judges who are women.
Shut your mouth, don't disrespect Judge Judy
Yeah. Aren't females not capable of rational thoughts.
being a lawyer really only requires memorization and walking uneducated people through basic steps
if you've seen BCS, then Kim is actually a very accurate portrayal of most female lawyers; they tend to be workaholics for the most part (trust me, i know)
What's wrong with female lawyers?
> Females are the most into crime and mystery genres which is basically what real law cases are but fictionalized.
> Surprises to see them in career of law.
>female
lmao
you're a little chuddy
chuddy, chuddy, chud
never getting oussy
shooting wal-mart up
Take it back to X you wretched homosexual.
I loved her reaction to Mia, wonder what she'd think of Von Karma
How do you respond without sounding mad?
simply tell him to go back to law school and learn about burden of proof
Reverse Onus Black person, frick you.
not a thing in Japanifornia, try harder Wrighto
i plead the fifth
these videos suck because they're made to eschew accuracy to "entertain" the masses, ruining any educational value they might have.
but then you won't be able to testify anymore because there's some bullshit law that says so!
PW is just a whodunit adventure game with quirky characters who range from the zany and comically serious to downright power-tripping psychopaths. that's what's actually makes it fun.
expert react videos are very hit and miss. some people may be professionals in their field, but still act like moronic spergs otherwise and want to shit on a movie for inaccuracy. there are some likably and charismatic people who separate the art from reality, realizing its not about being realistic, but still giving insight and having fun with it.
i was just watching invader zim
Objection, badgering the witness, assumes facts not in evidence, calls for a legal conclusion.
I'm not the one who managed Mighty No. 9's Kickstarter campaign, Trite. I have definitive proof of that claim, can you say the same for yours?
https://web.archive.org/web/20180612140537/http://bitsummit.org/2015/?page_id=3388
>it's more like a detective game
They're point&click adventure games, just without an on-screen avatar (until Miles Edgeypoo). It's as simple as that.
>both realistic and fun?
No. Lawyering is not fun, there are no wild card surprises in real court. It's literally about memorizing the law, and then cherry picking facts about the case that are in your favor.
>client is accused of sexually abusing his kids.
>says he's innocent but there's frick all that suggests so.
>don't believe him personally but defend him because everyone deserves a defense, even scum.
>with zero alibis all I can do is examine the teenagers and lead with the "you're lying and your mom out you up to this right?" shtick.
>they all deny when asked, think it's over and he's going to jail for fricking his kids, oh well I did my job.
>get to last kid, do the same routine.
>she breaks down crying and agrees, says she can't lie anymore.
>WUT
>re-examine the others again and tell them their sister broke the silence.
>they all crack one by one and we even get text chains of the mother setting it all up.
>turns out it was all a scheme by her to take everything in a divorce and cut the kids in after. Truth gets out and client avoids getting raped forever in jail because his wife wanted a payout.
Sometimes it's a ride.
Holy shit some prostitutes are truly evil.
thing is people think women do this because they're ice cold killers, but it's the opposite
they're completely emotionally-driven morons who do things they later regret or which at least make their lives significantly worse
i love my wife, but i'd never trust this b***h with my life
>client is accused of sexually abusing his daughter 20 years ago
>says he's innocent but the case is heavily stacked against him
>the case was started when the daughter's husband found out a diary from when she was 13 detailing the sexual abuse
>client is in literal tears, says he didn't do it, has no idea why his daughter would write these things or claim them
>the court hearing is as pathetic as you'd expect, the client has no defense, looks like a slam dunk for the daughter
>Judge at one point asks the lawyer to stfu and don't waste his time, if he doesn't have anything relevant to say to the daughter
>lawyer is out of ideas, asks a passing question about the daughter's (adoptive) mom
>"THAT FRICKING prostitute IS NOT MY MOM!!!!"
>....huh.
>turns out the crazy b***h literally made it all up, the whole diary, because she was mad at his dad for divorcing her mom
>then 20 years later her husband found the diary and she couldn't admit the truth to him (because he'd leave her for being a crazy b***h), so she brought her own dad to court
>and she almost won had the lawyer just stfu when the judge told him to
Never, ever trust w*men.
secual abuse never require evidence or witness or anything. it's some of the easiest cases to win in this day and age.
Goddamn
Knowing my bad luck with women, I know this will happen to me some day.
>Never, ever trust w*men.
yeah what about the fricking judge who almost put an innocent man in jail.
shit like this makes you wish judges could be held liable for wrongful confivctions. not even $100 million could make a man whole after having his life dragged through the gutters like that
why would a court accept a 15-year old diary as decisive evidence? it's basically hearsay.
jesus christ
>men never lie, manipulate or attempt to ruin lives even of their own family members
Both genders are capable of evil and especially in historic past if you were a man in nobility or royalty and WEREN'T scheming at all on how you can burder or blackmail even your own family, you were fricking yourself over
Nobility played by the books of the Prince by Machiavelli/Countries still act like their "elite" party is the Prince and rest follows as such. Do any evil deed as long as it makes you look good and do it fast don't hesitate, blackmail, assassinations, theft, anything's legal as long as you look good (did it for a heroic cause) in the end.
>Both genders are capable of evil
Sure, the problem is the judges and public opinion don't seem to believe that. A woman will be taken at her word if she says she didn't consent. Even if you can somehow prove she was lying, they usually get off with a slap on the wrist. If both sides are capable of evil, and you heavily restrain one but let the other do whatever the frick it wants, that one side is going to do more evil.
>wishy washy fencesitter post
Yet women are 99% of these false rape accusations cases. You never hear of boyd concocting an elaborate scheme to claim their mom/fiancee raped them, yet you hear all the time of the opposite sex. Very curious!
They face basically no repercussion for deliberately ruining another man's life for money btw, even if they admit it. This is completely fair and not at all biased towards women.
truth and loyalty are masculine traits. lies and deception are feminine traits. doesnt matter if women are sometimes heroic or if men are sometimes schemers.
this kind of sneaky bullshit is more what women do. men may do it in a b2b type of case, but if they want rid of their family or wife theyd just divorce or go chris watts on them
Being a lawyer is really, really boring 99% of the time
t. Lawer
Lawyers are boring IRL. Detective work has a lot more potential. Maybe it could be done if you played as a D.A.
The fictional version where you learn by just following some old based dude around as you two poke your heads into fricked up situations as he slowly becomes more approving of you sounds fun
No, of course not. You would have to go through the paragraphs, check loopholes and apply the written law to your client's situation.
Sounds kino and fun.
Then just go do it for real. You'll make lots of money while having fun.
Maybe I will!
> Papers Please
> Legal documents edition
> easy-mode the shit out of the game by a "detect discrepancy" feature so the normies would buy it
no thanks
Asking an American lawyer about a Japanese game and their laws.
PL vs AA had a cool idea with the spell grimoire and having to point out what had been used, it might be possible to build a lawyer game around something like that.
Just use Disco Elysium's system but have it set in a courtroom, ez.
>Lawyer REACTS to Ace Attorney
>Well that's not how a courtroom works
>hundreds of these videos all with high views
It's even worse because they don't actually get invested in the story they just autistically nitpick the trial mechanics and then never play it again once the content is done.
I saw one where he even acknowledged how different the Japanese law system is but decides to nitpick it from an american view anyway
I don't see the problem.
They make videos from their poverty as profession lawyer.
It gives different insight for exchange compared to the million story analysis that already exist
I just had a Vietnam flashback to Matpat's moronic 'Phoenix Write is a criminal' theory video where 95% of it was just 'this is illegal in the US'.
what do you mean
the game clearly take place in the US
now eat your hamburgers apollo
blame localizer for changing the setting to San Francisco
>irl lawyers are soulless golems
color me surprised
That's not true, because you stand in a courtroom and say "objection". Case closed
>Is it possible to make a lawyer game that is both realistic and fun?
Yes but instead of court it's half strategy game where you ruin people's lives through manipulating the press, local pressure groups, cops, witnesses, judges, and half waifu simulator like Persona.
This would be tremendous. Like a lawfare evolution on This Is The Police
Gods, she's prime nakadashi material.
No, I don't want to play a game that's just gathering, organizing, and memorizing paperwork.
It's not a drink, it's more like a drink
It never said it was a Lawyer game, Phoenix just happens to be a lawyer
It's literally called "ace attorney"
Attorney's aren't lawyers though
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opinion discarded
It's worth noting that this series classifies its genre as "Courtroom Battle"
AA MOBA when?
Technically that existed with that one AA thing where everybody was in court playing different characters, I forgot the name of it thought.
Ace Attorney Online, it has a pretty active roleplay community last I've heard
ive never understood how ace attorney online roleplay is a thing
i cant comprehend it
i think they have GMs or something that serve as the predetermined structure of the case, that the roleplayers figure out over time
Sometimes we aren't homosexuals and can actually roleplay into a decent story even if it's a shitpost
Objection.lol has a courtroom you can invite people on to frick around in
lawyers could NEVER understand.
Realistically speaking, what would a real life court do if it was known that a parrot had important information that it's owner had teached it to repeat?
There was that one case where a wife shot his husband and the parrot was repeating something like "Don't fricking shoot" after the fact.
The parrot was not used as evidence. or a witness.
Did she win?
She was found guilty, I was thinking of this
case
this is the kind of shit why people say the universe is a simulation or a dream.
nah, reality is just fricking awesome
>A prosecutor in Michigan initially considered using the parrot's squawkings as evidence in the murder trial, but this was later dismissed. The prosecutor added that it was unlikely that the bird would be called to the stand to testify as a witness during the trial.
Real life is so boring
They'd do that
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40665520
>The parrot, an African Grey named Bud, was not used in the court proceedings.
If the speech of a parrot was to be used in a courtroom scenario, the parrot would be evidence, not a witness. Most likely the investigator would simply record the parrot saying the phrase of interest and then submit the video.
This was based on a real life case.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40665520
my gf is a lawyer and what she does is the most boring shit imaginable
i genuinely think being an accountant might be more fun
Phoenix Wright is fun BECAUSE it's not a realistic depiction of a courtroom.
Real court cases are snorefests, PW purposefully takes place in a kangaroo court where you're fighting against what is basically a turbo-corrupt system where the odds are stacked 100-1 against you.
Realistic lawyer game would be trying to contact the department representing your client's opponent and they spend 3 months refusing your calls and leaving the case to drag on indefinitely.
Answer her question bros
https://objection.lol/objection/5994999
You could but only if the case itself had a moronic premise. The overwhelming majority of court cases are very boring and too common to generate any excitement.
However even with one of those insane premises it'd still only appeal to legal tismos.
t. Legal professional
The game isn't even consistent with its rules in its own universe.
>lawyer game that is both realistic and fun?
Lawyering is inherently an un-fun profession.
How you get to investigate the stuff just like a detective
A detailed lawyer/law firm simulator would be fun, but would only appeal to people who actually study law or have an interest in it.
"Casual" law games couldn't be realistic because it wouldn't appeal to most people.
I think a game like Judgment, but with a bigger focus on the actual courts, could be a decent enough compromise though. Have the gameplay be non-law related for the most part, but have it affect what happens in the courtroom.
Oh boy those "professional reacts" videos are starting grasp at straws now aren't they
>convicted pedophile reacts to onirism
Does Ace Attorney ever deal with the fact that the Japanese justice system is completely rigged and has a 99% conviction rate?
IIRC the reason they have such a high conviction rate is because the prosecution just refuses to pursue any case that they aren't 100% sure they'll get a conviction in.
they dont bother going to trial unless its all decided before hand. its not the mythical "all defendants are guilty" bs and its not quite "they just pursue things that are 100%." japan is a collectivist group society and always try to settle out of court, and for criminal cases it doesnt get to court until theyre basically certain in terms of evidence and all that, and a lot of the details of the trials are settle beforehand.
same thing going on with meetings at companies; decisions are really made after a meeting of clashing ideas and debate like in the west, the meeting is basically just a formality after people talk with others and their bosses one on one, slowly gaining the consent/agreement/etc of everyone.
pretty sure the whole "shu takumi made ace attorney as a criticism of japanese law!" is bullshit too. as far as i know, he did good working on some other project and capcom had the money so they let him make the detective/lawyer type visual novel he'd been wanting to make.
I haven’t felt that empty feeling of finishing something good and realizing it’s all over in a long time, but I feel it now with GAA.
>realistic
>muh realism
Frick you.
have a nice day.
>Is it possible to make a lawyer game that is both realistic and fun?
nope because most of the parts of being a lawyer are impossible to simulate and will get sacrificed to make things more "entertaining"
>CYA disclaimers everywhere (this is not legal advice, I'm not your lawyer, etc.)
>lots of time wasted making phonecalls and writing emails
>lots of times doing pointless busywork like filing documents and reading tens of pages of court documents
>looking up previous precedents and rulings and reading through them
>lawyers don't just race to the crime scene and shove bullet shells into their pockets. they talk to police and relatives
>finding relevant laws and working out a strategy
>talking to the judge and the other party's lawyer
>registering and filing all evidence and witnesses
>the vast majority of cases end up in either settlements or plea bargains, or they get thrown out
I'd play a game where you do research for appeals cases, but I feel like most people wouldn't.
>read 90 hours of legal documents
>memorize boring facts
>stay up all night doing paperwork and reading reports
that doesn't sound fun to me
>provide enough evidence to leave doubt in many folks minds, hell, at this point some would think it impossible for the defandant could commit the murder
>Well SOMEONE has to go to jail Wright!.
how did this country even stay afloat?
I guess Papers Please is kind of a lawyer game that would work. You get a limited number of rules, you're analyzing whether everything fits, you figure out how people are trying to hoop around them. In that regard, I can imagine a pure courtroom arcade game, where you get a rulebook with a limited set of laws and then you're trying to counter attacks/misinterpretations from the other side
>Papers Please is kind of a lawyer game
80% of a lawyer's work is doing his homework so it's not a lawyer game.
Do you not understand English? The guy said "KIND OF."
Sort of, like something but not exactly. You dumb c**t.
20% of a profession is hardly, not "kind of" you massive sperg
Ace Attorney is more like playing a detective anyway. I'd like to see something similar as some Sherlock Holmes inspired thing. Somnium almost felt like this
My sister told me that a defendant once came to court in a full diving suit, with a snorkel and stuff. So sometimes it is like Ace Attorney
>fun
>orthodox rabbi simulator
Should I make a game like Hypnospace where you browse bootleg Westlaw with fictional cases?
As someone who works with high income clients lawyers are complete fricking morons, below the pajeets
You mainly need to be good at two things as a lawyer: Bullshitting and memory of the law.
>real lawyer reacts!
>is actually a washed up loser who couldn't into law
Being a real laywier is horrendous most of the time, because innocent or not, people are usually complete morons that will not do what you ask them.
>Analyzes a game set in Japan by American legal standards
Every fricking time
im not watching this video but looks like she at least watched the game instead of episode 1 of the anime like that moronic legaleagle cuck
>set in Japan
Um, it's clearly stated to take place in America? dumdum
>realistic and fun lawyer game
>judge my argument is-
>no you cant do that, im disallowing you from talking about this aspect of your defendants life (was key to your whole argument)
doesn't exist and courts are part of the freemason apparatus only benefiting the elite and should be abolished worldwide.
Everyone always comments on female lawyers but I can say I've never had shittier bosses than male lawyers who hate their wives and take it out on their subordinates. Never experienced anything else like it
Why do female lawyers all seem to be insane workaholics? I know three examples and all of them are basically just robots who work and go to bed every day at 11.
The male counterparts I know are all raging alcoholics to be fair, but at least they are fun to be around and MAY get their shit together to form a family.
All of the shit you see in other industries about how women don't get ahead without twice the work of a man came from the legal industry, where it absolutely is true in most cases.
The lawyer setting is just a way to set up who's defending or attacking the suspect without having to invent 15 unique scenarios for the entire trilogy
things you would never want to entrust to a woman:
airline pilot
lawyer
military
Pilot error is statistically the same regardless of sex, been studied for decades
Do women pilots have catheters? They literlaly can't go an hour in a car trip without pissing. How the frick do they fly a plane? Pretty sure Amelia Earhart died because she had to take a piss stop somewhere crazy.
A flight crew? You're not even allowed fo have just one person in a wienerpit anymore because of all of the murder suicides.
the seat opens up and they just piss directly out of the plane
ever walk outside and feel like some water fell on you but its not raining and it wasnt bird shit? it was the gentle tinkle of a 747 pilot
>lawyer
wrong if it's family law/divorce. Always get a female lawyer as a man during divorce
No, because being a lawyer is almost entirely googling case law and writing documents.
>Your honor, my client is israeli.
>win
Wow so fun.
Lawyeranon here. Ace Attorney is a super realistic lawyer game.
Obviously they got procedure all wrong, but the feeling is perfect. It's just you and your client against an army of police officers, prosecutors, witnesses that hate you and a dumbass judge that has no idea what is going on. You really need to believe if you want to succeed. Think out of the box, nitpick the slightest details and hope something big comes out of it.
I say it again, there is nothing that depicts the feeling of hopelessness and despair in court than Ace Attorney, and the way you need to think if you want to get out of dire situations.
I'm not going to feel bad for a lawyer, much less for a frogposting lawyer, sorry.
frick off troon. You'll hope you have a defense attorney willing to stand up for you when your hard drive is in evidence.
>implying i dont own a microwave
Good luck finding it post-flashbang.
Why would you feel bad? It's super fun. Love my job so much.
>Is it possible to make a lawyer game that is both realistic and fun?
Nope. 90% of actually being a lawyer isn't making dramatic deductions of logic and cracking witnesses on the stand, it's writing, reviewing, and going over paperwork. It's some of the most monotonous and annoying busywork on the planet. But it has to be done because the penalty for not adhering to the law or having a contract that the other party can exploit is severe. Also, most lawyers aren't even criminal prosecutors, they work for big businesses trying to copyright everything under the sun so their affiliates can make more money or avoid paying out money. Games, movies, books, etc skip past all this boring cynical stuff because no one would watch it. They focus on courtroom drama and murder mysteries because that's what's exciting. Phoenix Wright himself is closer to a detective or criminal interrogator than an actual lawyer anyway.
A realistic game involving a lawyer would be about 14 hours of reviewing documents for typographic or logic errors, sending them to a notary to have them signed, padding your invoices with comma reviews, and taking adderall to keep up with your 100 hour work weeks.
>realism
>fun
THERE'S A REASON WHY FANTASY IS BETTER THAN REALITY
>it's better to watch someone frick a woman and fantasize that its you, instead of actually fricking a woman
literally has nothing to do with the fantasy of video games in the context of this thread, you absolute fricking moronic mongoloid baboon.
ok cuck, get back to your shed
>enter a law attorney video game thread
>start talking about sex with real women and cucking
how about YOU go the frick back you absolute dumbfrick