is it really that bad? I remember when bethesda used to make games everybody loves, like morrowind, oblivion, fallout 3. Nowadays it seems like everything they makes is severely hated. what went wrong?
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No, but I can't explain Steam reviews dropping due to review bombing. You have to own the game to review on Steam. Even though Sonygays are the most asshurt association of human beings in existence and have 100% review bombed Starfield for having the gaul to have exclusives and not by Sony, I doubt they are willing to actually buy the game on Steam just to review bomb it.
>having the gaul
Ils sont fous ces Romains
i like that in the italian translation it's "Sono Pazzi Questi Romani" and if you make use the first letters of every words it's S.P.Q.R.
Starfield was shit, anon. Had nothing to do with any rivalry with PissStation
Why is it shit? Explain without using examples of things Bethesda never said would be in the game.
Read the thread kiddo. It been explained thoroughly already. At this point you just have to admit that jeets make shitty game devs.
>jeets
There it is. You never actually played the game, you just mindless spew memes.
>Why is it shit? Explain without using examples of things Bethesda never said would be in the game.
The intro is boring.
The RPG elements are all but stripped out, only existing in the form of a skill tree that does not give you builds, merely gives you features that allow you to play the game as intended.
There is no "world building" because there are no cohesive worlds. The best you have are loosely connected outposts and factions that only talk about each other but never interact in any significant way EVEN IN SCRIPTED SEQUENCES.
Some of the worst quest design in modern RPG history, easily the worst of any Bethesda game ever. I did upwards of 5 hours of fetch quests with Ryujin that all had me sneaking into places that literally weren't even hostile zones or were completely unguarded and effortless. Quests are designed in such a way that routes are obvious and gameplay permutations and variables are nonexistent.
Ship travel is embarrassing and a glorified sequence of loading screens. Even if they are not literally loading screens, the amount of time they take you out of the driver seat of playing an interactive piece of media are insulting. I've NEVER seen a AAA game so flagrantly held back by its engine in my LIFE.
Fricking dogshit companions with uninteresting backgrounds, useless things to say, and sexual preferences that are so "MC-sexual" it's hilarious.
I have never played such a mediocre open world RPG in my life. There are more reasons it fricking sucks but I can't remember because it's so god damn boring
>There are more reasons it fricking sucks but I can't remember because it's so god damn boring
That's how I feel about every bethesda game. I could close the game after a 5 hour skyrim/fallout session and barely even recall what I did in that time.
Skyrim sucked dick too and I've been saying it since the game came out. The only reason I tolerated Oblivion was because I used to read a lot of fantasy books and really liked the lore of TES. I still do, but Bethesda games have always fricking sucked. I judge people who say Fallout 3 onwards are good RPGs like /misc/tards judge Black folk.
Yeah but Ganker was praising cyberpunk 2077 recently and it has the worst intro in videogame history when it comes to replaying. How is this a real criticism?
cp77 at least has 3 options and there's more to look at than a brown cave
CP77 doesn't have built-in NG+.
I disagree completely. As an appreciator of narrative experiences, Cyberpunk 2077's intro is great. Although to clarify, the issue with Starfield's intro has nothing to do with "replayability" so I don't think this comparison means much. Starfield's intro fricking sucks because it (and thus the whole story because of how bad the intro is) has the writing of a shitty marvel movie.
I picked nomad in Cyberpunk 2077 and thought the intro blew donkey dick.
I thought you meant the entire intro up to The Heist since you mentioned replayability, but if you mean those intros then I think they're.. whatever? I don't think they're particularly interesting and could have more cohesion with the overall story but they're fine. They're like if Starfield's intro just tried a little bit.
I'm not the same guy you were talking to earlier, I just felt the need to chime in about my experience with the game's intro. I was pretty disappointed that my choice of background didn't seem to actually affect much.
That is a fair complaint and why I think Cyberpunk is still ultimately worse as an RPG than games like BG3. But compared to Starfield? Completely different level.
in the dlc they put a lot more unique dialogue options based on your path, they're pretty good for flavor. If the background were just flavor text i think it would've been better for what they amount to
Kinda sucks that this is something I'm expected to pay extra for when I definitely remember marketing for the original release of the game conveying that your choice of background would drastically affect your story.
>it's not an rpg because it isn't turn based and doesn't have STR CHA DEF INT PER DEX PISS stats in the most generic manner possible
>there's no world building because there isn't a bunch of shit that no game has
>the quests are bad because stealth quests wanted me to be sneaky and engage in subterfuge instead of barging in like a moron
>space travel is bad because I can't just sit there jerking off for 12 hours waiting to get somewhere (you can)
>companions are boring because being a stranded survivor of a failed military operation with decades of regret eating at you isn't epic and funny to me
>I have ADHD and can't handle being introduced to mechanics in a disguised tutorial
I haven't seen such a shit argument against a game in a long time. Bravo, dipshit.
Seethe more Fabio
You're so incapable of comprehending and fabricating an actual argument you fall back on hallucinating some boogeyman? Unreal.
Lmao shitskin mad
Seethe more 'jeet
>another anon so absolutely mindbroken by BG3 he has to allude to or mention it in every single thread even when unprovoked
I hope you get well soon man.
post didn't even mention BG3 moronic troony
>immediately mentions turn based
>NONONONONNO I WASN'T MENTIONING BG3!!!!!!!!!
>BALDING GAY IS THE ONLY TURN BASED GAME
god damn you chink shills must be getting paid based keywords
Fabio absolutely seething lol
Why did your game die?
you are mad and i am laughing at you
Every RPG gets called "not an rpg" because it doesn't follow generic tropes from the old days of turn based CRPGs or soulsborneslop. Seething manchildren can't argue a point or make any intelligent statement so they cling onto boogeymen to cope with the fact they're wrong.
No
Fallout new vegas is an rpg because it is centered around supporting role playing with its rich mechanics
BG3 is an rpg because it is centered around supporting role playing with its rich mechanics
Starsloppa is not an rpg because it had no freedom, no choice and no player agency. No mechanics too.
>inb4 just imagine game is good and roleplay in your head
>projecting this much
keep seething you fricking asshurt thirdworld shithead moron kek
lmao. seething.
SEETHING
why did this post rile up the balding gay troons
>his
shitskin does it again!
>my Indian game is better than your Indian game sers
Clown moron
Why indians love starslop so much?
Why you can no spell
Why are you mad?
Why are you samegayging?
How is that samegayging fricking KEK
I swear Ganker is just brown morons making fun of each other for being brown
You samegayged half of the thread, Your cope post at the start 3 or 5 samegayging post replying to it if not more.
You are so fricking easy to spot, subhuman Itallian.
Why are you blatantly samgayging again?
You can literally refund the game after 2hrs and keep the review.
No? Are you moronic?
I'm on ps but I also have a pc I didn't get it because I hated fallout 4 and this is basically fallout 4 in space, I honestly lost all faith in bethesda I'm just waiting to see how es6 will turn out. if it ends up being skyrim 2 I'm done with this company.
If you didn't absolutely love Skyrim you would have been done with this company a decade ago you fake hater
Gamepass gave this a lot of legs, so there's not really a commitment for people (including me). If I had paid full price for this shit I would've refunded it, instead I got to laugh at it a bunch after giving it a fair shake. It sucks worse than any Bethesda game but I'm sure mods will bail it out per usual.
>Take fallout 4
>Remove gore, even for robots
>Remove power armor
>Remove enemy variety
>Remove VR
>Remove world full of things to discover
>Lock every gameplay feature behind skill three
>Add shitty space combat that barely used
>Add boring empty planets with repetitive facilities everywhere
Why would even anyone like it? Every second playing it I just wish I was playing modded skyrim VR or fallout 4.
>>Take fallout 4
Wow, already shit
Ok?
Yeah, walk away.
homosexual
yes, now imagine fo4 but even worse.
At a certain point, if something is shit enough, there's no reason to imagine something more shit because it's already in the "do not touch" category.
Bethesda reached that point long ago.
captcha: kkkgg
starfield has better polish, a better setting and better access to combat quests than fo4 does. people who say it's worse than that game are just delusional or are really into the fallout setting and exploring ruined houses.
>a better setting
out of all things you couldve praised about starfield this isnt really one of them. fallouts setting is what sells the franchise, while starfields setting is simply boring. bethesdas strength lies in making beautiful worlds and yet they starfields setting is one where every planet is dead and empty and there is no alien life because its "hard" scifi, but they dont mine that setting for gameplay purposes, not even something as basic as having to deal with heat, cold, radiation or shit like that. those examples are technically in the game, but its so underutilized it might as well not be.
on the other hand, they threw the hard scifi out of the window for magic space powers like its fricking skyrim all over again and a dumb ending where you reset the universe and become fricking spaceborn. its so dumb it almost feels like a parody of bethesda writing, and completely undermines what the setting is trying to do. its the worst of both worlds.
This is the point. Game is so shit it makes fallout 4 which is shit look good.
Starfield is a lot better than Fallout 4.
It it really was you would actually address the things I mentioned in my post. Why is it downgraded in every way compared to f4?
"a lot better than Fallout 4" is still trash though
don't forget to add:
>less gun variety
>less interesting gun variety like the mini-nuke
Probably even worse if you start comparing it with fallout 76 and that was made by the B-team. amazing how bethesda manages to make each newer game more dumbed down than the previous one.
i don't understand why they still pretend to be making rpgs. Every rpg system is vestigial at best or a malignant tumor at worst.
Nobody thinks they are making RPGs. They make open world ARPGs.
>take Fallout 4
>remove shitty setting
>remove SHIT writing
>add decent writing
>add actual roleplay
>add space setting (note that we have NO other space game with flights, on foot sections and some actual story combined)
There are flaws, sure, but Starfield have reason to exist. Fallout 4 didn't have any reason to exist.
Starfield writing is even worse than fallout4
Oh noes.
Any actual complaints?
Yes, actually.
Why do pajeets like you exist? You are so ugly, stinky and polluting the world. You make reality uglier by existing. Your DNA makes the world worse when it can be prettier.
Can you answer me that question good sir?
>(note that we have NO other space game with flights, on foot sections and some actual story combined)
Even the original Ratchet and Clank had all that. You need to stop acting like a Zelda fanboy and step out of the Bethesda bubble you've built around yourself
Maybe the Indian translation is really good? That's the only reason I can imagine someone would write this post
>(note that we have NO other space game with flights, on foot sections and some actual story combined)
i hate how this is the common defense of bethesda games
>look at all the features it does very badly!!!!!
id rather a game have a couple of features it does very well than a game with more features but they all suck, like we have with every bethesda game
It should be obvious that Mass Effect (1) does space rpg much, much better than Shitflop even without direct control of a space ship.
>(note that we have NO other space game with flights, on foot sections and some actual story combined)
What is Outer Wilds?
Mass effect isn't an RPG
even the ghouls were hotter npcs
fallout 4 did not even have a cool environment. you go to a place, there is nothing there. no loot, no lore, nothing. it was just constantly full of those sort of disappointments. that is to be said just for the little places. there were those lunchboxes you could find at least.
i did not play enough fo76 to observe any of this but i have to assume with the number of updates it has to have a better environment than fo4.
starfield has none of these qualities either. exploration is just never exciting. nobody wants to read the stupid 2 page books. they don't lead to anything at all. there is useless junk everywhere. all you ever want to pick up is ammo. the computers on average have 1 icon on the desktop, and are typically only used to unlock doors and robots. i just feel lots of potential was wasted with starfield. the effort was spread razor thin.
thanks for reading my blog
>t. didn't play the game
>putting 30 hours into a shit game isn't playing it
this is how moronic you are
you enjoy your rock collection simulator
>pretending to play it while saying things that are demonstrably untrue to anyone who has played it
>fallout 4 did not even have a cool environment
fallout 4's depiction of boston is 1000 times better than all the 1000 planets of abofield combined
abofield does have better looking characters compared to fallout 4 but it doesn't matter since 90% of the npcs are face scanned Black folk and abos whose eyeballs clip through their lids because they were never calibrated to fit in the creation engine facial animations(5 years in development lmao)
Starfield is so dogshit it retroactively made 76, 4 and 3 look good. And it is saying something because all those games are bottom of the barrel slop.
>it retroactively made 76, 4 and 3 look good
nah
4 was fine
76 and 3 are awful for different reasons
Lol no 4 is fricking garbage.
it actually has serviceable combat which is more than what I can say about the other 3d fallout turds
not reading your reddit spacing screenshot
Starfield has "serviceable combat too". That's not a redeeming feature, that's literally the bare minimum for a looter shooter with RPG elements so barebones it makes borderlands look like deus ex.
>Starfield has "serviceable combat too".
No it doesn't
If starfield's isn't then neither is F4's with its godawful bullet sponge enemies, nonsensical gun balance and horrible enemy AI with dogshit pathfinding that gets stuck vibrating on every pebble.
The enemy AI of fallout 4 is a marked improvement over its predecessors
The fact that you're calling it "dogshit" just makes me disregard whatever moronic shit you have to say
It was. And it was still bad. Disregard whatever the frick you want, it won't make the game any less shit when the best part of it is barely functional.
>4 was fine
Holy shit this is even worse than I remembered it
Let me remind you lmao
Butcher Pete killed game for good
my favourite pete hines quote
>fantasy means consistency is out the window
I also like how he is perfectly willing to engage until he's proven 100% wrong and then it's "NOPE NOT INTERESTED"
means consistency is out the window
thats literally every westoid RPG for the past decade
enjoy your gay sex, trannies, dykes, nogs no matter what setting because its fantasy
>replying to random anons while still uncontrollably seething about bg3
Why are you mad?
Who hurt you?
Seething trannies replying to you. You are 100% right.
some of the posts in this compilation are so obscenely moronic it makes fallout 4 seem smart by comparison
Eh it does the job. Dropping this relic and that'll do for the night.
next post the fallout 3 one that talks about "the people in the fallout are scared of all things nuclear!" I love these moronic post compilations that BTFO themselves
Half of the thread is Indian living in Italy samegayging his copes about starfield.
meds
kys fabio
Sometimes its hard to keep up with all the shit that keeps piling up over the years. Bethesda made its money and is still doing the same damn thing it did before with people being none the wiser for it.
Benefit of having such long dev cycles nowadays.
4 is an absolute shit
it is a game with straight up unusable minigun
they cannot even get weapon they used in trailers right
lmao
>Why would even anyone like it?
You can still loot and shoot and thats what the Bethesda fans want, everything you listed is just a side thing they never would notice missing unless pointed out and will keep looking forward to games like this.
meds
REVIEW BOMBING IS A PSYOP. IT'S NOT REAL. IT'S CORPORATE COPE
Pajeetfield is unironically a worse game than fallout 76
>game is shit
>devs get to hide behind review bombing
This shit is so annoying.
Right? Why is review bombing a new issue, relatively? Can't be the games are more shit, now, that'd be ridiculous.
Worst part about this NPC model specifically is that I had a teacher that looked exactly like that in HS.
Honestly, I think everybody did.
>skeletal thin
>ginger-ish
>big eyes
>really b***hy
>obviously hated children
>frizzy short hair
She was like the nega-miss frizzle.
>devs get to hide behind review bombing
if review bombing didn't happen, they wouldn't have an excuse, review bombers are losers
>Make bad game or take bad decision
>Hurr durr you're review bombing so you're opinion doesn't matter and my product is the best in the entire galaxy
Why are devBlack folk like this?
Is the entire tech sector overrun with literal narcissists with god like ego?
"artists" have always hated reviewers/critics, the only difference is now they can yell at each other in a public space the whole world can see
https://mightandmagic.fandom.com/wiki/Scorpia
>Is the entire tech sector overrun with literal narcissists with god like ego?
Always was.
Review bombing isn't real. It's consumers and potential consumers voicing their opinion which review sites specifically request.
It's real, it's just called a review protest BUT it's not infallible at all as it is not totally indicative of PLAYER experience.
A person's opinion on a site that aggregrates opinions is not fallible or infallible. It's simply an opinion amongst a sea of opinions. Review bombing is just a label industry suits invented to attempt to dismiss consumer criticism. Notice how positive reviews are never pruned nor complained about journalists.
Hence I said REVIEW PROTEST or something along the lines, also I believe a journo coined the term.
Same thing with "death threats". Unverifiable claims that invalidate all criticism.
Yeah, it was Putin bots. Putin hates democracy so he review bombed Bethesda. Quck, buy a bowl of slop to support based honest dev Todd Howard!
Yes, it really is that bad.
Bought a code for 30 bucks through some totally legit reseller, installed and played for 3-4 hours.
It's baffling, considering that it is supposed to be a major release for current gen hardware (costing 70 bucks at full price!), yet it looks and plays like an Armenian total conversion of Fallout 3 made by 3 dudes in a shed.
I knew it would probably be empty and buggy, but unlike other Bethesda games I can't see this being "fixed" by mods / patches.
the core game itself is the issue here.
Modders will "fix it".
And by fixing it I mean completely throwing out the lukewarm diarrhea that is the Starfield setting and making an OG trilogy Star Wars total conversion with the entire known galaxy and every planet from Tatooine to Kashyyyk hand-made and with big settlements and cities to explore, choosing to join the Empire or the emerging Rebels to fight for the destiny of the galaxy or seek out Jedi in hiding to learn the secrets of the force (space shouts). It could be the KotOR 3 we'll never get.
It's like this is what the engine was meant for, but Bethesda had to make some semblance of a game to sell the modding tools so they have plausible deniability.
>Modders will "fix it".
Here's a secret: no, they won't, you need to have some foundation to interest people in modding the game, be it characters, plot, lore, gameplay, whatever. Starfield has frickin' none of it.
>didn't read posy
>replied to the first line like a moron
Here's your (You) you fricking homosexual, don't spend it all at once.
I can explain it. You're a psychopath and think Sony fans are out to get you. This is just a bad video game that people paid for, tried, and didn't enjoy.
Check negative reviews below 3h and you will find out that you're overestimating snoys intelligence.
>1173 products in account
>Level 84 on steam
>Snoy
Anon, you might be moronic
Show your steam power level before you judge
>uhhh snoy review bombers ok??
Actually obsessed. It's fricking painful at this point. Get a grip.
>I doubt they are willing to actually buy the game on Steam just to review bomb it.
Look at reviews under 1h
They buy then refund it
>gaul
Are you fricking moronic?
you are 🙂
This anon has a point. There is some iffy shit going on with the low-play time reviews that measure barely an hour when two hours playtime is the refund limit.
you really did not read the post you replied to.
I don't read
You are replying to the samegay
Steam fakes the numbers of reviews and also deletes it. You can not use Steam reviews as a defense for god awful game.
Thats a long horse shit just to say "its boring and garbage"
They buy it and then refund it.
The review stays.
Sonygays were mindbroken by this game.
>Buy game.
>Play 1hr.
>Review it.
>Refund it.
The phrase "review bombing" is so strange, as if its a conspiracy between cooperating individuals. What's the point of reviews other than consumers expressing their opinions? Who gets to decide which opinions are valid and which should be auto filtered? Good games don't get review bombed.
NOOOOO YOU CANNOT GIVE NEGATIVE REVIEW OR ITS A CONSPIRACY THEORY! GET FACT CHECKED CHUD!
Can you really not imagine someone buying a game, leaving an negative review then refunding it with 0.1 hours played because the devs said something bad on twitter?
those reviews get marked as refunded
Not on a game sold on its standalone quality and word of mouth. The only time games get treated this way is if their publisher spends millions elevating it into the public consciousness and then either fumbling their time in the spotlight spectacularly or taking deciding to take a side on a controversial political topic, or both.
I don't fault individual consumers for their reaction to that kind of bullshit. I'm glad trying to sell bad products via controversy doesn't usually work.
Oh boy
Armored Core won
Or maybe… the game is just bad?
I’ll stick with Skyrim.
>You have to own the game to review on Steam
That's not true though
Moreover, if you limit the reviews to people who have over 10 hours of playtime, the score goes up dramatically
Who would do something they didn't like for 10 hours?
>if you introduce bias, results change
boy you sure are fricking moronic LOL
>If you remove all the negatives reviews the average score goes up.
>SIRS please understand, just put in TEN hours and if you don't like it, I swears you can redeem refund. Probably. PLEASE do not do sirs!
All these salty people that review bombed then refunded
>NOOO! YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES OR I CAN'T REVIEW GAMES I GO INTO HATING!!
The idea of having to play ten hours to "get" the game is moronic. That's not how long one needs to take to realize if they like the gameplay loop or not.
Here.
Since you're a homosexual who tries to move the goal posts even when filtered for over 10 hours of gameplay it's STILL a dogshit rating.
So what's your excuse now?
Going to admit you're wrong or you going to do what everyone knows what you're going to do and shift the goalposts again while screeching like the homosexual hoping that nobody will notice?
Let's hear that apology anon.
Even funnier, with Fallout 76 at 10 hours or more, it still moggs flopfield.
FO76 had a different situation where it wasn't released on Steam until a year and a half after the Bethesda launcher release, well after the launch debacle.
10 hours isn't that much though, i mispoke on that a bit. I was still on Krete by my 10th hour, didn't even get to Jemison until hour 20 or so even.
Over 100 hours it drops to 77%.
FLOP
L
O
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t. snoy
I wish, I own this hunk of shit game.
Yeah i'm just fricking around, Starfield blows wiener.
t. got refunded
>45 hours
So you're a contrarian who secretly likes this game but wants to act like he's super cool by claiming its bad.
>attempting to explain away your failures
This is why nothing ever gets better.
You can buy the game, leave a negative review, and get a refund. The review will stay up indefinitely.
The game is horrid though, and i even liked FO4 (once they added survival mode).
See
>Even though Sonygays
So when Fallout 76 came out for the PS4 in 2018 and it got panned by people, what moronic ass excuse did you resort to back then?
ESG
Isn’t even ESG, just sheer laziness. I’ve seen the unpaid and uneducated casual modding community make far more impressive content out of their dinosaur engine than they have.
That's because the "unpaid and uneducated casual modding community" is mainly comprised of White men. Look at the credits of Starfield to see why it's a dumpster fire.
It doesn’t even matter, people were expecting this to be a buggy mess purely because it’s a Bethesda game. The problem is absolutely with the Western studios being completely incapable of writing an interesting and coherent narrative and world and the onus is on them.
Because the Western studios are full of "diversity" now. Quit dodging the obvious answer
I’m not dodging shit, Bethesda were lazy and didn’t hire adequate talent and Todd never did his due diligence and instead sold you a steaming pile of shit while calling it a golden steak.
>didn’t hire adequate talent
You can just say "White men". No need to hide here, brother.
Bethesda has zero black devs. The vast majority are White or Asian. The blacks look the way they do in Starfield as a form of protest against the Microsoft mandated inclusivity.
Except that's wrong, the only blacks with issues are the bugged eyed non-essential NPCs, and a few mods have already corrected it
https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/2737
https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/2718
> You are wrong and here is the mod that fixes the goofy looking pavement apes.
You sure proved me wrong.
I sure did 😀
pagliarulo's moronation is well documented and bethesda has been shit at writing since fallout 3. I haven't played oblivion tho
As always it is management's fault for falling for diversity memes and cheaping out, pushing away all of their veteran talent in the process. I haven't looked at the credits but I'm assuming it's full of pajeets and women. They could outsource all-white men from any euroshit country and you'd get the same result because you're hiring people that have 0 emotional investment in what they're making, while hamstringing anyone in the company who actually cares. The rot starts at the top.
Gollum's game credits 95% white men. Why dont you go play that? It should GOTY by default. You chuds are clowns.
german men. important distinction. germans are incapable of passion for anything except ruining europe
Not true. The credits were crawling with shitalian, poolish and a couple of french surnames too.
None of those are white. Thank you for demolishing your initial claim.
More white than anglos.
>anglos are pale swamp Black folk
holy shit is that why florida is like that?
Florida was occupied by conquistadors, runaway slaves, Seminoles, and expat Cubans and Hatians.
Anglo Saxons came after the Romans historylet
What you posted is anti-Welsh propaganda if anything
Anglos are descendands of Germanic tribes that settled in Great Britain in 500 years after Ceasar. These quotes refer to Celtic tribes.
>Why don't you play diarrhea instead of shit
Starfield's credits are 95% white men too
no Black person or pajeet has made a good game ever
TESG VI is looking grim
So why is Baldur's Gate3 selling gangbusters? Ithas ESG and money from literal communists behind it.
one of the most successful modern games was made by literal card carrying communists
I'd rather go red than turn rainbow.
Imagine liberty prime antidyke communist
because BG had a huge following, meanwhile Bethesda used Poofield to reel in their Skyrim/Fallout customers, just like ESO did. Gaymers are the easiest subhumans to dupe.
HAHAHAHA REMEMBER NO REFUNDS AFTER 2 HOURS Black folk
because the modern man is so inenfranchised they want to pound a used up cumrag halfelf into the ground
Yeah Starfield is exactly like those 20 year old games except worse.
is literally a total assault to bethesda
fricking LOL
>is it really that bad?
yes, bethesda games are that bad, all of them
So people like to pretend, still better than 90% of other games, and there games are only disappointing in the sense people have high expectations/hopes because of their older games, this was 100% the case for FO4
>larian bought frick ton of bots to play & review their game
>after reaping frick ton of money they use the same bots to review bomb starfield
it's not that hard to put two and two together
It's not unless you're you who apparently thinks it equals five. Get your brain checked for worms.
>it's not that hard to put two and two together
Yeah, the easiest explanation is that you're just desperately coping with your slop game turned out to be garbage, Toddjeet.
youre a lunatic anon
Where'd you get the 2's in the first place? It's hard to believe you when every success or failure is blamed on a conspiracy these days
the same chinkbots giving positive reviews to BG3 are also giving positive reviews to shartfield
TOTAL
BETHESDA
DEATH
95% of the game is terrible, if you play it like a far cry game, put all your perks into combat and weapon crafting and enjoy customising how your character looks it's a fun time. the campaign is basically firefly but with none of the things that made firefly or serenity good-well written and acted characters, great setpieces, relatable stakes and snappy pacing.
I disagree, even played as a far cry clone its inferior to all the other games that do that better. I got bored of it really quickly.
i mean i just did the freestar ranger board and i have perks in tons of different weapon types so i can switch to any weapon i want and still have fun. if you only have 4-6 viable weapons you can use then yeah it's not very good-i found that out when i made my second character who only used shotguns and didn't have weapon crafting. i'd definitely say it's better than cyberpunk, it's worse than far cry 5, new dawn or 6 in terms of movement and encounter pacing but better in terms of presentation and progression.
Firefly and Serenity are garbage and the sole reason of why new vegas is shit
Also Whedon is a Groomer homosexual
>Firefly and Serenity are garbage
contrarian moron take
>Also Whedon is a Groomer homosexual
whedon is a heterosexual male writer, in the vein of hemmingway
And this is how you spot someone who semen slurps disney capeshit movies as Gospel
pretending that all capeshit is bad or poorly made is the mark of the true moron
>AAHHH YES LET ME SLURP MORE SEMEN
i wouldn't expect any better from someone who hates serenity of all things
i mean i just do the freestar mission board with tons of combat perks, as i said. i think that part is fun, i think the presentation of some of the areas is good, the guns look great, the ships look very cool. music is kinda ass and way too loud, so i put that at 50% and it's a lot more atmospheric.
>calls others homosexuals
>immediately rants about sucking dick
typical russian
Why is it always firefly. Why don't we get a Lexx inspired game
Because firefly is the sovboi's favorite show
it never is Andromeda, Roughnecks, Deep Space 9, Voyager, Wing Commander Academy or Lexx.
IIs more of Joss Whedon shit because he made Buffy.
>Lexx
I genuinely doubt any studio these days has the meme power required to make a fricking Lexx game.
It's completely irredeemable. Even using cheat engine it's still boring. I think space games are just shallow and need a huge amount of lore and world building to be good. Which bethesda sucks at. Still finished it cause some of the guns are pretty fun to use.
Starfield is one of the worst games ive ever played.
Everything about it is bad
>bethesda used to make games everybody loves, like morrowind, oblivion, fallout 3
LOL
Even their best (Morrowind) had its fair amount of detractors.
Everything after it is pure shit. Just AAA consumer trash and children praise it out of brand recognition or pure nostalgia.
You can see the massive impact the game has in the industry with all the fuss about characters, quest, lore... oh wait, it was just a crater.
>is it really that bad?
Yeah.
It's not that bad overall but the things that usually are the best part of bethesda games just suck in starfield.
It's basically fallout 4/skyrim without any good parts.
I'm not bethesda fan but even I admit that both f4 and skyrim were interesting to play for the first time because world content was interesting, in starfield it's 90% randomly generated and the very few things that were done by hand just suck.
Fallout 4 wasn't as bad as everyone pretended and still does. it's a step down in a lot of areas but has better combat so the moment to moment gameplay is better, just because you don't like it doesn't make it a bad game, it's not the game you wanted
Diversity hires and outsourcing happened along with the whole woke culture bs
>for having the gaul
your right sonygays should just surrender to the PC empire
>is it really that bad?
its worse than that, its aggressively mediocre
Good. We expected jank, we expected ugliness and for the community to have to fix most of the problems Bethesda couldn’t and that was fine. Ultimately they couldn’t even bother to make a half way decent universe and franchise with all the money they had to hire genuine talent. I’m glad this is a shitstorm and I hope it really fricks up Tod. Bethesda are a lazy, greedy has been of a studio and it’s about time they really get taken over the coals for this disaster of a game with the hope that they get their shit together or burn. Nobody will be buying this game seven or eight times every year Tod.
How is this possible?
Surely they mean F76 after countless of fixes and deleted reviews and general forgetfulness of the players?
Within the first 20 minutes, a dude flies down to your planet knowingly trailing pirates to a mining colony. Said pirates kill a few miners in a fight that acts as a shooting tutorial for the player. After the fight, the dude that lead the pirates to the colony starts cracking jokes and acting like nothing happened despite getting innocent people killed.
>innocent people
They let an Asian girlboss with One Simple Rule lead them. Their lives were already over.
That's the other problem. Every NPC leader is a kick ass girlboss who doesn't need no man. It's almost a parody how consistent it is, it's like they took all the strong male parts and just gender swapped them to women. I don't think there's a single woman who acts feminine in the whole game.
The saddest thing about the game is how absurdly sanitized it is. No one swears or curses, not even the pirates or spacers. Raiders in the Fallout games would tag obscenities everywhere, the Crimson Fleet writes "Nice view" on a floor. I think ONE character said "shit" during conversation and I had to do a double take because I wasn't expecting it.
No gore, no dismemberment. No blood from enemies (that I've seen), only your own blood on the ground.
The whole thing feels like it was meant for an audience I can't even imagine. Someone who's afraid of seeing blood, can't handle hearing curse words, wants pointless go-nowhere AI-tier "romance" and is entertained by a series of fetch quests with no deeper meaning or content.
Yeah, it was a huge contrast playing it right after bg3 dark urge playthrough that was full of nudity, gore, jokes, racist dwarfs and soul.
>enter apartment in the Well
>blood literally everywhere, on the floor and the walls
>dead NPC doesn't have a single cut or scrape, nothing
Or, in my case, the body fricking failed to spawn.
people really think the Starfield modding community will be big and modding will save Starfield just like Skyrim when a lot of the good modders have moved on to greener pastures and shittier autistic ones like Arthmoor are the only ones left that bother with this shit. even FFXIV has a bigger modding community at this point.
>a lot of the good modders have moved on to greener pastures
Like what?
No fricking seriously, like WHAT?
Karryn's Prison
Never heard of it.
actual game dev, blender, or games with a more active modding community. Trainwiz is probably an obvious one though it's your opinion on if his mods were good or not.
Can’t fix this shit. Skyrim was jank just like Oblivion and Morrowind, but all those games were actually fun because of the setting and writing. They can’t fix this, best we can hope for is Todd learns his lesson and focuses solely on the new TES. I mean, what kind of DLC are we going to get for this that will be remotely captivating? It’s completely sanitised and devoid of any soul
There's a difference because TES has Kirkbride behind it and FO isn't even Bethesda's original IP. TES6 will probably be better for this reason alone but honestly I couldn't be bothered any less because Bethesda will just retcon and make up convenient shit like they usually do.
Good point.
> Kirkbride behind it.
Well he did get left behind so you are technically correct.
I think with avalibility of easy to use engines like unity and unreal there is not as many modders that want to spend their time fixing broken bethesda games. Why would you spend your time on it when you could make your own game instead and sell it on steam?
Fallout 3 is a better game than Shartfield in every single regard. Jesus Christ, Todd, how did you manage to frick up thos badly.
I played it for six hours and I got tired of space in two. I think I found four pieces of the artifact but the game is so tedious to play I just uninstalled it
If you've played atleast 3 Bethesda's title, you know that this is just the same shit but in space even if you don't play the game.
So no, it's not bad but its not good either, just painfully mediocre to the point you would've hoped that it was shit.
>So no, it's not bad
It is
but starfield failed to sell me what i like about even the sloppiest bethesda game: stumbling upon things.
starfield is all small hubs, there's no feeling of getting a quest and, on your way to it, finding dozens of places and landmarks to explore. All of that is missing from starfield
Every single other aspect of the game is better than most beth games though. The only other one I enjoy more is oblivion.
Not really, it's just takes a long fricking while to get into it. That being said, I've sunk over 360 hours into this game, and I can say for sure that while it's a great game, it does feel starved for content and really needs it's skill system rebalanced. Bethesda said they wanted to support this game for a number of years, so that might be indicative that they intentionally left a shitload of content out of the game in order to artificially stretch it out, the problem is it just doesn't wow you from the beginning, so a lot of people are dropping it early on.
Just so everyone is clear, there won't be a modding community for this game until late 2024 when the modding tools are set to release. December at the earliest.
Until then it will literally only be texture swaps and superficial changes. Nothing of any substance.
A million mods where some moron opened the texture file in photoshop, went to the hue/saturation slider and turned it all greyscale then made it all black. There's your mods for the next full year.
all you need to know is no vehicles
It's 2023 and this overfunded amateur boomer company can't do a car.
>spent hundreds of hours in fo76 over years, building houses and hanging out with other settlers
>Had zero interest in this game from the start
>mfw somehow 76, one of the worst game launches ever, ends the more likeable game
gotta hand it to fo76, it did have some charm despite being a hilarious mess
At least you can go into 76 with extremely low expectations after it's horrific launch and find it enjoyable
It's worse than bad. It's boring. Fallout 4 was bad and people will remember it for that. Starfield is just fricking mindnumbingly boring. It won't even be remembered 5 years from now.
>It's worse than bad. It's boring.
This, after the first weekend full of clips about how bad the game is, I haven't seen a single fun webm come out of this game. Its like theres literally nothing to talk about, only how shit it is
i have never seen anyone talking about any character or any plot point and in the few hours i played i couldn't name you a single character either
You can dress up as a monster and chase people around.
A bonus you can kill a clone of FDR.
Yeah, it's that bad, I pirated it to see what's what, played for 3 hours, really struggling with it, and then just deleted the game. I installed Fallout 4 again and did some modding with it instead.
theres literally nothign charming about starfield.
no interesting areas
no interesting plots
no interesting stories
everything is straight forward, sterile and safe
shits more boring than an episode of star trek
Snoy will be seething over Starfield for the next decade, and then TES 6 after that.
>Nowadays it seems like everything they makes is severely hated. what went wrong?
They lost the mandate of heaven, the narrative shifted against them. They're the Nickelback of AAA game developers now.
It's a decent game but the main story is snooze tier, the companions are all clones of each other and the amount of loading screens you have to go through is bizarre. 7.8/10 from me.
This
>t. 33 hours and no interest to play again
You could literally copy paste this about any bethesda game
Ehh, anon is right. I played it all the way thru but there is literally no avoiding loading screens. In Skyrim atleast you can walk from city to city before you hit a loadscreen. This shit is just 5x loadscreens with zero actual travel.
Fallout 76 is actually good though.
It actually a joke scam asset flip of f76
i just wish there was a way to play it offline
Agreed. Maybe one day when it shuts down we will get lucky and they will release an offline version... or eventually a modder might do it themselves.
If fo76 let us play offline with mods or run mods on small servers with friends it would genuinely be a fantastic game. The map is huge with cool environments, and the enemy variety is great. The cash shop and daily quest aspects are complete shit though.
It's still got fallout combat as the core of a looter shooter/crafting sim will all the writing and character interaction stripped out. Even Borderlands combat kicks the shit out of Fallout.
I'm a Beth fanboy and I like it but even I have to admit that, while the vision is there, the execution is not. They fricked up a lot on the core gameplay loop and the game just feels like a AAA game from 6 years ago. Improvements to the engine are few and far between and the bugs are still there, just more spread out.
I'll still get a few more hundred hours out of it, especially with some mods but I think I'll be returning to Skyrim before I return to Starfield in a few years. And I'm still buying TES6 on release, I fricking love TES, the setting salvages Beth's frickups.
It's pretty damn bad. Has this..stink of incompetence all over it. I cannot quite explain why.
It's definitely not as terrible as F76 at launch, just not that impressive. The gameplay loop kinda sucks right now.
They dumpstered the open world single instance and the quests and dungeons are at Bethslop's lowest levels of effort. In Fallout 4 you find handcrafted locations that could be filled with like a dozen enemy pools in terms of variety, in Starfield you have 3 flavors of shitty space raiders always occupying the same copy pasted locations
>game gets bad reviews (changed character outfits to be more puritan, other stupid changes)
>oh nooooo we're being review bombed, help us journalists
>game actually gets review-bombed
>journalists just Gankerpost about it
Ganker is almost certainly engaging in reviewbombing as well.
the last Bethesda game I played was Skyrim and this is such a big step backwards from that.
it should be at least as good as the game from 12 years ago.
>I remember when bethesda used to make games everybody loves
You're either a kid or just dumb. When Fallout 3 came out all these morbidly obese hipster gaymurs were crying that the franchise is dead and the series has become casual, especially on shit like Ganker. Nothing has changed. Hipsters are always going to cry about any new game that comes out as being worse than whatever was before because they have nothing else going on in their lives.
Problem is they're still making 2023 games in the mold of 2006 games. You can play Cyberpunk all day without seeing a single loading screen but Starfield has 500 in one day.
And you can't rob anyone in cyberpunk, you can't get to jail with gameplay repercussions. "2023" doesn't mean shit.
Mechanically betchesda games are more rich.
True, they look better, but mechanically they are gta-fodder tier.
they aren't in starfield? you can't even rob them of what they're equipping like you could in fallout 4 which is what made bethesda games cool
fallout 3 and oblivion were shit too. only morrowind and fallout new vegas are good
Randomly generated NPCs are tuned to spawn 90% chink/shitskin and it's breaking immersion.
No it doesn't.
its not immersion breaking at all.
its the only thing that bethesda got right.
when we colonize space who do you think they ship out to do menial labor?
they ship out the chinks and indians. when colonizing a new world you need farmers and builders. only a small part of the people that go to space will be white or israeli and those will most likely be in administration positions or in planning/engineering. starfield got even that one right.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the only good thing to come out of AI sloppa shit. thank you
>is it really that bad?
no. its a bethesda game. it was a 6/10 from the get go and everyone who likes bethesda games knew that getting into.
the issue is it was marketed like the next coming of jesus christ in video game form and it was likened to have all the features star citizen and no mans sky have.
this was literally a case of marketing lying to the normies.
i told everyone before the game came out it was gonna be a just another bethesda game and i was laughed at on Ganker. before this game came out you gays told me there is no way it was gonna be just another bethesda game.
>its a bethesda game
Without the interesting setting of TES/Fallout that made their games tolerable
Fallout 4 wasn't interesting setting. And their take on fantasy in Skyrim is barely tolerable at best.
TES and Fallout are interesting universes, Skyrim and Fo4 having lame main quests doesn't change that. Starfield is the most wildly uncreative and bland scifi setting I've ever seen in any medium
no the last interesting TES game was morrowind. and only because the head writer was literally on drugs when writing it.
Oblivion was interesting
Ewww, no. It was generic fantasy, and not in a good sense.
Dragon Age is generic fantasy, Oblivion had plenty of creativity
Like? You know, you can have pretty bad applications of creativity.
I dunno maybe the entirely of the shivering isles?
>It will get creative! I swear! In DLC!
>Skyrim and Fo4 having lame main quests doesn't change that
It's not about main quest, it's about whole depiction. I love Morrowind world, but Skyrim is not Morrowind.
F4 factions are absolutely abysmal and nonsensical.
Nasapunk is geniunely good aesthetic especially compared to default sci-fi metal neon greeble, and having space, but firefly-type of space, without alien races and outlandish tech is kinda bold.
The story is literally about finding the prothean beacons so you can get dragon shouts
So what? It's better, much better fit for a game than SAVE THE WORLD. And you can have all your unrelated adventures in another quest lines.
>it gets patched and rises above Fallout 76
>obviously it must be bots
It's incredibly bland and mediocre.
The bad parts are bad enough to bring down the good parts.
starbros…. we’re not even top 10….
>multiplayer games and flavor of the month rpgs
I wouldn't worry about it, just enjoy the game.
just means starfield wasn’t even the FOTM 🙁
just enjoy the game anon, don't worry about others
There's nothing to enjoy.
new anti americans games campaign, paid by Tencent/Brussels
The most unforgivable thing about it are those main story "quests" (how can you even call them that) where you have to gather more artifacts. They should have made a unique dungeon for each one. But instead they're LITERALLY in the copy pasted POIs except with a little hole in the wall at the end where the artifact cave is. I couldn't believe it. If each artifact has a mission like the multiverse one at the end it might have been okay.
I genuinely thought the POIs being repeated was a bug. Like they had created 5-10 variations of each one and they forgot to randomise them or something.
they got too smug and confident about making safe and boring rpg worlds. it's catching up to them. starfield - while it may not be that bad in reality - has a world that. in typical bethesda fashion, is quite safe and uninteresting, aside from some outlier examples. they're so eager to please everyone that the quality suffers. i like to call bethesda games the steven spielberg movies of video games. they're not bad, but they're not really interesting.
I love it anons. The message Bethesda is tellin the kids is that gay Black folk are their future. Would you like to hear about my 'wife', Ervin, again?
>t.Barrett
yes its that frickin bad
>You are Starborn
Not from the start. You can only become Starborn on NG+
STARSHIT, STARSLOP, didn't even survive to be FOTM and died in just a week.
I say this as a Bethesda fan who sunk too much into their games.
Starfield is genuinely very bad.
Strip away the company name and expectations and journos might have shit on it harder (the ones not giving it 8s 9s and 10s).
This industry is a scam.
Please believe sirs. Do not redeem.
please dont preface your post like that next time. i see it way too much with normies that always say something like "i love the game/enjoy the game BUUUUUUT...."
say it with conviction.
starfield is doooogshit. i put 50 hours into it to give it a chance. i fell for the bullshit "after x hours it clicked for me" shpeel. it doesn't get better. its trash.
>please dont preface your post like that next time. i see it way too much with normies
Same. But the problems are bible posts length. Even after 50 hours I knew I was forcing myself to get through it. Any suggestions made on how to play it just further cemented the fact that it's worse than dog shit (at least dog shit has a unique smell like boiled hotdogs).
>Sidequests are fun and random!
Horrible
>no no, just focus on the main story and it gets good!
Literally the same level of garbage, just required
yeah the whole shill vortex of people tryin to say its anything but dogshit just reminded me later on retail wow.
example being
>why do people not like the new expansion? im taking my time doing pet battles and fishing and exploring. i play 1 houra day and have a family to feed!
they don't really get it. they act like they haven't played a frickin videogame in their life and that this game(starfield/wow/whatever other shit they decided to engross their time into) is the best shit ever and cant understand the core issues with it because they aren't really into them.
Nta but I feel that way too. It helps put into perspective that even for Bethesda slop this is below average
I knew that it would be shit when I learned it didn't have sentient alien races. Imagine if Mass Effect only had humans
They take no advantage of the setting whatsoever. The only reason it's in space is so they could procgen 99% of the content, and even despite that fact they didn't bother to make enough content to prevent players from seeing the same identical environments repeatedly.
I'd be very interested to see the shitfit that XBOX execs are having now that the Zenimax buyout has been a total disaster. Arkane flopped, Bethesda flopped. They still have Id and Tango but those are never going to pay themselves back.
Are they really going through with the ABK buyout? Fricking kek. Oh well it's their money not mine.
I played 76 for many hours and had fun
I played Starfield for 2 hours and did not have any fun
By the sample size of me; yes it is that bad
that tutorial and new atlantic/atlantis whatever, soured me so frickin hard on the rest of the game. and it turns out yeah, the rest of the game is just like what you experience from the mining planet/pirate lab base/new atlantis.
fetch quest, boring dialogue, no exploration, uncanny bullshit and loading screens.
i didn't hate any game until i played starfield. i could stomach a lot of bethesda games and not hate them, but this game takes the frickin cake dude. its not even about the PRONOUNS shit or pozzed bullshit, its the core game, writing, dialogue and gameplay that is just fricking terrible.
No, but it's really a 7/10 game. The one thing bethesda could do well was carefully created worlds with lots of detail. Skyrim map is relatively small but you could find a 100 things to do just going from point A to point B. Starfield procgen maps are too big, too empty and too generic.
The Elder Scrolls 6 is ruined. Todd and Bethesda had to kill their only good IP, frick those guys.
>Elder Scrolls
>Good
I liked it. Morrowind was the peak but Oblivion and Skyrim had their moments.
and this is how you spot a fromsoft gay, blizzdrone and a BG3Black person
I'm older than you are.
being 18 isn't that old gaylord.
I’m sorry you can’t enjoy video games anymore anon
>Angharad Redden
Why are swarthy demographics so intent on seeing Todd fail?
The honeymoon period has winded down.
I love fallout 4, especially the upgrade/durability gameplay loop where you were getting lower tier weapons and junk to upgrade your favorite weapons. In addition, the quests were actually fun and creative.
This loop is destroyed by starfield. When you go out and explore planets you will run into the same exact facilities with the same exact load outs; to the point where you can expect to find safes in the exact same locations.
You can't scrap or teardown weapons or junk. Weapon encumbrance is a giant problem in this situation, which ultimately just slows down gameplay.
The quests are so insanely sterile. They ryujin quests were like I was playing a Deus ex or Roblox clone. One of the bounty hunters quests literally just has you put a beacon down on a tower; you don't even catch anyone or see a cool fight. The quests are literally 'go here and talk to this person'.
They didn't even give a shit about QC either. There is an apartment you can break into in the well and there is a robot dog that tries killing you. It's like 1 of 3 apartments in the entire place. People looked into the code and this was supposed to be a whole quest and companion that is completely broken and has no intention of being fixed via patch.
Bethesda doesn't give a shit anymore
Do they at least have limited randomization, like there's a 20% chance of a safe in each location?
Or can you rely on finding a safe in the same spot for that layout every time?
All I know is I've gone to like 4 of the same underground military/research facility (that at the end has a bunch of glass office cubicle) and all of the safe locations were in the same place. When I got to the 3rd one I basically muscle memoried where the stuff was like the tiny safe behind some boxes near a vent entrance.
No, locations, if repeated, will have identical loadouts
The downgrade to the crafting system was ridiculous. I know it's not realistic to break everything down into components and then slap it back together into something else that's functional, but it was fun and Starfield could have easily had some kind of science-magic to havewave it (more so than Fallout).
>There is an apartment you can break into in the well and there is a robot dog that tries killing you. It's like 1 of 3 apartments in the entire place. People looked into the code and this was supposed to be a whole quest and companion that is completely broken and has no intention of being fixed via patch.
i remember that and going through the "logs" and there was a meeting place at a certain time. never followed through with that but yeah, was only like apartment in that whole frickin area. that was about the only interesting frickin thing going on in that area.
they really fricked up the cities. they were all just giant quest hubs that told you to go somewhere frickin else to fetch something from another system. i liked the idea of actual combat happening in areas in the actual cities like that rando dog
>can enter a random location and find an event that has transpired
>can learn what happened through logs
>too stupid to understand what emergent gameplay is and assume it's a bugged quest
These are the people reviewbombing starfield.
you cant follow through with it at all. you cant set up a thing with the person who made the deal with the guy for the robodog who got gutted by said robodog because the guy duped the other for a free robodog
its unfinished.
Sucks to suck. I explored that apartment and everything was there. The logs clearly state that the guy who the dead apartment owner tried to scam and screw over had remote access to the bot. If you're not moronic, you can understand the implication. Given the circumstances, I'll spoonfeed you.
>guy making the sale gets pissed
>remotely accesses the bot, makes it kill the scammer
>scammer is killed
>bot is left in hostile combat mode, will attack anyone else
"Unfinished" my ass.
do you ever find the guy selling the dog?
thats what i thought. frickin moron
'However, some players have reported that they don’t see the body, only the blood pool. Unfortunately, it’s due to a bug where his body, alongside the items on him, vanished for some unknown reason.'
https://www.gameclubz.com/starfield-topher-ugowat-safe-key-location-guide/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/16cgjmq/spolier_brownout_in_the_well_a_discovery/
https://thenaturehero.com/topher-ugowat-starfield/
The logs implied he was making new deals, nothing about why his dog killed him. He was supposed to be an optional companion and his death was supposed to be for failing the quest.
Your own links betray you. Did you even read them?
And look at that: your source for him being a potential companion? A SEOspam blog owned by a scamazon affiliate that gets money for selling you products.
>it's unfinished because random guy from email isn't somewhere in the game in a physical location the player can access
meds
>gameplay loop
Zoom zoom!
>mfw apartment on one planet has the same layout on another planet
>picrel doesn't exist much like Starfield's creativity
>the quests were actually fun and creative
Get the frick outta here
>is it really that bad?
No. It's just the atmosphere that's changed. When F76 came out, it was a completely different situation. Both with the Microsoft ownership, and whiny gamers' tendency to review bomb shit.
It's like comparing sales charts for albums from the 1970s to MP3 sales from today. It's a moronic metric that doesn't work no matter what formula you use to try and account for differences. There's simply too many variables. It's why anyone claiming an artist today is the 'best selling of all time' is braindead.
People just aren't having it with Bethesda gameplay right now, and nothing about Starfield is cool. All the characters are so dumpy, space stuff so bland and ugly and the settings so lame. They call it NASA but NASA has style of its own with the hyper-technical stuff, this is just bland SyFy original art design.
Bethesda Fallout at least has the power armour fetish going for it (remember the 50 different varieties of Enclave power armour in F3?).
game coulda used some shit akin to ghouls and super mutants
everyone is just a pompous butthole for no reason too with the frickin dialogue, including your character
Yeah, your character speaks like a tightwad that's constantly looking for a "gotcha" comeback to everything. And I thought Fallout 4 boyscout protag dialogue was offputting, they managed to make it worse.
yeah the choices are so frickin terrible too
>yes continue quest info on where i must go fetch some shit
>erm yes but ill have you know blah blah im a homosexual
>give me more information im a moron
it just feels.... so empty and soulless and bland. it's hard ti explain, as a game it's fine, but something about rhe whole feel and atmosphere of it makes me depressed.
I guess you can make the argument it's a space game and space is in reality boring and empty for thousands of light years at a time, but even then Starfield didn't really end up this being this engaging space exploration Sim in was promised to be, the second you enter space and fly around you immediately realize that it's all smoke and mirrors and you're really playing in a tiny fishbowl with 2d cutouts for planets you really only fast travel to
I'm playing Cyberpunk right now, and what a difference. night city feels so alive, like it's a place I want to be in and explore each nook and cranny
Imagine how good Starfield would have been if the New Vegas developers made it instead of Bethesda
Yeah because Outer Worlds was really good. And Avowed is looking great. Sure can't wait for more Obsidian quality games.
>Yeah because Outer Worlds was really good
Even that small indie game had more planetary exploration than Starfield with more interesting biomes and storyline. It goes to show "less is more" makes sense.
>New Vegas
Frick off.
They didn't grow.
Poor reviews are the only way you can hope they'll learn from their mistakes.
But even then, they're too fricking arrogant.
I'd actually wager Bethesda learned from their mistakes from FO4 by not sacrificing RPG elements for gunplay as said by Todd. He had to take a break after FO4 to rethink his career path on where it's headed. That's where Starfield came in.
>steamies still melting down
>snoys won't let it go
>another third-worlder with an article to publish on a site nobody's heard of
Just another day that ends with Y.
I haven't played it yet and for now my interest is pretty low. It just looks so boring and generic.
>lowest rated game
>but is the most stable game Bethesda has ever released in their entire fricking life
>that combines nearly all of the features present in their previous games
>with a plan to support for at least a decade
Something's not fricking adding up
the game just doesn't isn't appealing. there's no charm, no fantasy, no cool gameplay shit to pull you in. fallout 4 was aggressively mediocre but at least the fallout universe is pretty interesting. starfield is just a generic space game with nothing especially inspired about it, and most people just aren't into that
I'll come back to you in a year's time to report on Starfield's progress
I finally realized the point of NG+
I am on NG+ 2. At this point, I'm rushing to grab the artificats and hitting up the temples. Ignoring side quests, usally resorting to violence cause its the fastest route. I've finally got to the point where I run into the hunter again and hes doing his spiel about how the artificats belong to those who can take it when it finally hit me. I find myself in agreement with the hunter much more then I am with the emissary this time around. its because I essentially became the hunter. its just become all about the hunt for the artifacts for me.
And that's a good thing. And it's beautiful. I love Starfield.
Skyrim unmodded has you turn your brain off if you want to unironically enjoy it
Starfield is even worse
If you thought that Skyrim was wide as an ocean but deep as a puddle then Starfield is 10 times that, same POIs and enemies regardless of planet
they also thought it was a good idea to copy Oblivion's main story quest by having you do like ten fricking dungeons that look the same and watch the same cutscene
Starfield is bland, safe and obnoxiously non provocative. It has nothing to say. The perfect soulless corporate product.
But don't worry, they remembered to pack gays and trannies into it.
They didnt though. I cant think of a single troony in the game. A few gay couples sure but nothing really crazy.
I've yet to see any trannies in the game, a few gay men though.
Bethesda really threw everything they could into making the game as pozzed as possible.
They can go frick themselves
Starfield is the most interest, thoughtful, provoking game Bethesda has ever made. I love how much philosophy and the concept and celebration of the human spirit of exploration is put into the game as a central theme especially with space as a backdrop. It's the perfect soulful personal project of one man which is why it's reasonable why it doesnt appeal to everyone and that's okay. Art is not supposed to be consumed by the masses after all.
Reply to this post if you actually enjoyed Starfield, I know I did
It's fun, it's not perfect but I enjoyed it and see what they were trying to do. I dont see why there's so much vitriol against it.
BGS has made the same game for twenty years with different window dressings. That coupled with their release schedule and expectations from Todd's lies has caused people to become sick of Bethesda's "release a half-baked sandbox in a neat setting and wait for modders to make an interesting game 5 years from now" model.
>it's not perfect
nobody would have made that assumption seeing as it is a bethesda game, but good that you reminded us of that.
Because it is worse than their previous games while they are taking the piss out of the customers at the same time.
I've barely touched the story.
Yeah, it's certainly enjoyable, better than F4 and maaaaaaybe better than Skyrim
Better than Fallout 4, worse than Skyrim.
The game need more content and polish and a good rewrite
They’re still making the same game. How is this surprising to anyone? We basically are still getting a slightly updated oblivion, which was already mechanically and technically outdated by like fallout 3, but the games were fun still. Now fast forward to 2023 and it’s basically still the same game fundamentally but with a less interesting premise and location and no fallout or elder scrolls backdrop to prop it up.
Bruthers what is the source of the israeli campaign against the starfield and the todd Howard?
Ganker and Reddit
It actually is that bad, yes. It's inexcusably bland and uninspired for having been made by a developer of Bethesda's renown and tenure, and Microsoft likely paid them a bajillion dollars to make it.
It's a crime against the medium in a way that few games are capable of.
>renown
Since when? BGS has been going down the shitter in the 2010s as a reputable developer. Then 76 nailed the coffin.
I don't disagree with you, anon, but the majority of people still see them as a respected video game developer.
Oblivion was already massively popular thanks to the Xbox 360, and Skyrim is even more popular than that game was. They "brought Fallout back from the dead." They know the weight their reputation as the developer of those particular games carries and use it to their advantage to keep pumping out these dogshit games. That's all I'm saying.
>Space game marketed on being able to explore
>No space exploration
>Constant loading screens
Aside from the typical janky NPCs, having a space game without seamless travel is just disappointing. The constant loading screens into buildings is ridiculous for a AAA game in 2023. When even the ardent supporters of this game have to say shit like "accept what it isn't and play it like a Bethesda game" might as well just say "accept the bad quality and what we've come to expect of Bethesda". It's not a bad game, but it's not the hot shit many were hoping and hyping it up to be and I feel like too many tied their entire personality to this game and so therefore refuse to admit the game itself is just not that great. The game feels sterile.
Even my consoomer zoomer brother who had game pass dropped it after like a day or 2 and went right back to Fifa.
>the game's bad because adhd sportstards weren't converted to being fans of actual games
The depths shazammies will dive to.
Annually released sports games are unironically much more like "real video games" than Starfield is.
yeah honestly starfield feels less like a game and more of a program to specifically waste your frickin time
My thoughts exactly.
Yes it is bad if people like my brother can't even stomach it, a typical NPC normalgay (who the game is targeted at with it's millions spent in advertising) then it says a lot.
millions spent on advertising is the norm
>games are bad if fihomosexuals and cawadooty players don't abandon their trash interests
Only the dumbest takes from this place.
That sure isn't what I said, anon. I said that annually released sports games are closer to what I would consider a "real video game" than Starfield. I'm being a little hyperbolic because I think Starfield is a shitty game. You can suck the turds straight from my butthole.
>REAL videogames are licensed sports memorabilia
Go back.
To where? I was here before you were. Surely in your illustrious posting career you’ve figured out better material than “go back” by now. At least there’s a fricking game being played in feefer.
Go back.
>brain damaged moron who didn't actually play the game makes two doublespaced posts detailing how he didn't play the game
If Starfield were a porno, it'd cut to black when the sex scene starts and cut back in when they do the talking.
>he doesn't know about the anti Bethesda army
Lurk more newbie
The whole game feels like filler and doesn't respect your time
every frickin quest that has any sort of substance has you go through about 5 frickin loading screens, and its to just talk to someone or interact with something.
when you do talk to someone, they have a frickin verbose novel of trash to spew like an AI wrote it all. So much talking, with nothing of importance.
Its not that its bad, its that it's empty and uninteresting. Just think, instead of enriching TES' world they created this pile of nothing.
Seeing all the irrational hate from brainlets just makes me wanna play it more.
All of their games are bad, people are just less naive now
This. The average 12 year old who loved Fallout 3 became the average 15 year old who loved Skyrim. Then, they were 19 when Fallout 4 came out. Now, at the release of Starfield, they are 27. As time has gone on, they've only grown more able to discern the quality of a game instead of just having fun with it, warts and all, blind to the inconsistencies and illogical writing Bethesda has always possessed.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with just having fun -- absolutely not. But Bethesda, despite success after success, literally doing nothing but grow and expand for the past 20 years, has not changed or grown as a creative outlet for that entire duration. All the while, their playerbase has aged, is now old enough to have witnessed this stagnation in real time, and can compare Bethesda to other developers to see how far behind they really are.
Todd will make TES:VI, likely achieve some success with it despite the game's inevitable mediocrity, he'll retire, and then Bethesda will disappear, either merged with another company or just faded into obscurity since the gap between each game only grows wider.
Starfield is a product for noone
I play beth games for exploration
Starfield has no exploration
Its worse than 76
Wtf they were thinking?
>is it really that bad?
yes
It's bad but probably not fallout 76 level bad. It's an issue of 76 being rated too high, not starfield being too low, mind you. Bethesdrones are simply the most tasteless, easily entertained morons in the market.
Lots of fabio cope itt
Game doesnt need to be good. Stop complaining. Just Imagine it is good.
Bad? No. Completely underwhelming, mediocre and forgettable? Yes.
At least the Fallout games for all their flaws aren't this fricking bland. Todd completely failed to make a compelling narrative or an interesting universe, it's just boring, poorly thought out and forgettable.
People won't be replaying this game years from now like Skyrim. Hopefully they have some reflection and realize the flaws of the style of game they continue to make and make some changes to the formula that will serve it for the better.
You know whats the worst part? People will buy ES6 and Fallout 5 and suck Bethesdas dick because their only somewhat better than Starfield, not that people would care if these games werent just as bad, only dreading the thought that this is going to make everyone even more leniant than they already are when then next shallow piece of shit open world action game drops and gets called the RPG of the century.
go back to your gay bear sex tabletroony
D&D has LESS rpg elements than skyrim now
Shut the frick up, Fabio.
Like clockwork
Shartfield even has pronouns, gay sex and mutts for your ilk for all the "roleplaying" you desire tabletrannies
It doesnt have roleplaying
I am not going to imagine what is not there
Sorry Fabio you lost again
Lmao absolutely seething Indan shitskin from Itally
Why wont you have a nice day to join your fav game in death?
It's a total trash. Even worse then Russian games.
I own it on pc. Gave it a shit review. Its basically a fake ass mockery of classic Bethesda. They ironed out all the soulful jank and instead filled the game with a bunch of instanced content, shitty theme park faction quest lines and nothing interesting happening while exploring either on foot or in space. It's by far the least reactive and dynamic world they've ever made. The scope for emergent gameplay is probably the lowest of all their games since daggerfall. Just absolute shit that mods will take a long time to fix if ever.
Review bombed where? F76 is still vastly lower rated on Metacritic, which is where the bombs tend to happen, and on Steam the game is "Mostly Positive".
worst game ever made. They deserve to be sued
When it comes to fallout and ES Bethesda has basically had zero competition. For all thier flaws no one was making games the same way they were with the same kind of interesting settings. Starfeild threw all that out the window. It's a brand new IP that brings fricking nothing to the table. Everything about it from the story to the mechanics are so bland it almost feels intentional. It's not "bad" but it's so painfully mediocre there's no reason to play it over anything else. The only silver lining to it existing is that it finally shows just how shit Bethesdas design process is without the cover of a popular ip.
This is another baffling thing about the game. It had absolutely nothing truly novel about it other than being hilariously bad even by Bethesda standards. It has no interesting story to tell, literally a worse main story than your average fps or platformer. It's like they spent years just making a fricking shitpost.
As far as I can tell Bethesdas main goal from skyrim onwards, was to basically make time waster games disguised as RPGs. Something for the average person coming home from work, getting drunk/high then spending a few hours fricking around while never actually engaging with the game beyond that. As for star field itself my theory is that it was an idea they had back in the ps3/360 days and just never had enough imagination or drive to try and do anything more with it then the bare minimum of "FPS space rpg"
an entire AAA company raised on the idea that "mods will fix it who cares"
All I know is that I played it for an hour or two and haven't touched it since. I don't know why exactly, it just didn't hook me like skyrim, fallout 3, or oblivion did back in the day. Then again neither did new Vegas, so I'm weird
I've always bounced completely off of New Vegas too, and I enjoyed those other three games when they were brand new. My tastes just changed after Fallout 3, I guess.
It's not bad but it's nothing new from the games they've released since Skyrim except for the setting.
My guess is that people we're expecting something different or at least an updated formula and ended up disappointing themselves.
These comparations with Baldur's Gate 3 are so unnecessary.
Both games are shit.
But BG3 is simply very front loaded to appeal to reviewers and zoomers that never complete games, a common tactic.
Itally sucks. India sucks. You suck, Fabio.
BG3 is better than starslop, cope moron
I cannot look at those oblivion face npcs, they are so ugly.
why did the Indians at lakshaya digital phone it in so hard for starfield after making BG3?
>phone it in
anon, pajeets are the personification of phoning it in.
Eurasian descended people born and raised in western culture can be alright, natives are *worthless*
then why did they do so well on BG3?
BG3 wasn't made by a publicly traded company, meaning no shareholders, meaning no pajeet contractors hired for 1/20th the price of a real developer/artist.
literally the exact same pajeet contractors that were hired to work on starfield were hired to work on BG3, quite literally the exact same jeets
in fact, BG3 was outsourced to more 3rd world studios than starfield
https://www.mobygames.com/company/14013/lakshya-digital-pvt-ltd/games/
wrong
Crazy. Wonder what they actually do.
Ok, moron
they just make 3D assets, you can see in the starfield credits that the only thing pajeets are credited for is 3D assets
they really are just getting paid for merely mentioning the name of their gay sex simulator completely unprompted lmao
has to be a GPT bot, most of the posts are completely nonsensical
>he's now samegayging and mindbroken about bg3
fricking kek see you next thread i guess
only thought about playing it after i saw the video of a guy playing it like a scifi dishonored clone.
I’m going to leave a bad review without playing the game
>:3
Daily reminder that a game where you can frick a bear won. That's how bad Starfail is, the bearfrickers won.
People had a choice between playing Todd Howard's Magnum Opus or getting sodomized by a bear and they were like "i'll take my chances with the aroused bear"
Bethesda fanboys will NEVER live that down.
At the end bear was unleashed against the Todd
Never underestimate homosexuals and degenerates. Half of Skyrim fans play for the porn mods
I put a 100+ hours into this game. Completed most of the questline and then suddenly I just dropped it like a sack of shit. There is nothing to do, quests are trash most of the time.
They should have made UC Vanguard the main story.
Of every quest I've done so far the UC Vanguard has been the best because it's the only one that felt like it had any stakes. But even still things like trying to convince the UC chairmen to give access to the vault felt so fricking hamfisted with how much it was shoved in your face beforehand to say 'the project failed', like even the persuasion dialogue in this game feels on rails with how much most interactions push you into solving certain situations. There's absolutely no freedom, not unlike their previous games of course, but none of the stories are interesting enough for the payoff for the lack of freedom.
76 is really good nowadays, the game took off in 2020 and has been more than decent ever since.
Not perfect by any means, but so wasn't 4.
Very hyped for the Atlantic City expansion, can't wait to lose all of my caps at poker.
Games where villain sperges out and defeats himself?
I only play singleplayer Fallout games. I enjoyed 4.
No interest in TESVI nor Starfield.
I'll play BG3 once I'm certain all of its content is released and is at least 50% off.
In fall 2023 its a bit of an issue that BG3, one of the best games ever made, was released a month prior to sf launch.
Then cp 2.0 launched and despite being 3 years old game now its clearly ahead of anything Bethesda can produce.
It doesnt help that when SF launched the intro is not great. You dont get like "wow this is a 2023 game release with all new stuff". Instead you find that they reuse animations that look really bad. The facial animation tech is worse than decade old games, let alone w3. You are confronted with no dlss, no fov slider, weird elevated black levels that looks HORRIBLE. When you turn on the scanner the rooms are littered with literal fricking junk for some reason.
The intro just keeps going, heres that fricking space tank control garbage. How I interact with boring loot in space again? Oh its that key,
If you go into a spaceship, loading screen. Do anything, loading screen.
Theres 1mil dlss mod downloads on nexusmods that bethesda forced on people because the company is mentally ill
Man frick Starfield goddamn.
No, it's not that bad and the review score will climb overtime. Its not even close to the review score 76 had a month after it's release. A lot of people are so angry over the loss of muh persistent open world, but that's not even the worst part about the game, the worst part is how uncreative and bland the writing is, a game world so devoid of edge and trying to be overly safe that it's boring.
Bethesda is like the Gothic devs, just with a higher initial popularity plateau. They don't evolve and while many players like playing the same game over and over again, other companies overtook em.
All Bethesda games have always been bad but they instead got worse instead of better and people finally stopped putting up with their shit
No frick your revisionist bullshit, every release had older fans drop off but 'Bethesda was always bad' is just bullshit revisionist history from Fallouts original fanbase salty their franchise isn't a top down CRPG anymore
what's funny is Tim Cain always wanted to make fallout a first person RPG but couldn't because of the technology at the time
If time has told us anything, it's that Tim Cain is a hack and a huge homosexual with the latter being now established canon
This is the truth. Very often the hacks can just luck into a good project because the limitations of the time or the people they worked with prevented them from following their most moronic ideas.
>with the latter being now established canon
Yeah everybody loves "Kid in fridge lived for 200+ years" and mixing in eldritch lore or every B movie cliche from the 50s into fricking Fallout. It's almost like Todd has no clue what Fallout was about and took the intro opening of FO1 for face value. Starfield just exposes how talentless this man is without scooping up prexisiting IP's to build on top of.
Not him, but yes, they really have been bad since Oblivion. It was tolerable because much like Maxis with anything Sim related (since mid 2000s), they were the only ones making something on that scale, thus people would give them a pass. Oblivion was lampooned for its potato faces and awful scaling even in early 2000s. Same goes for the disappointment people felt with Fallout 3.
Pic related which is almost as old as FO3 itself.
I love this image so much, it's so incredibly moronic
little pea brain that made it couldn't even comprehend that the fat man was prewar
No shit it was prewar, why are the inhabitants worshipping it. Do you lack reading comprehension? Oh wait, don't answer that, you're a Todd-ler aka the wee little baby who grew up with Fallout 3.
Which one of the posters is you in this image?
the fat man weapon fricktard, did you even read the image you posted?
They worship the bomb because megaton was an area raiders wouldn't go bears the residents seeking refuge found that loving near the bomb was a gamble but safer than the immediate death of raider gunfire. They built up a town around it using scrap frokns nearby airfield fortifying into a settlement. They no longer "need" the bomb but by this point some had begun to worship it.
Its really not that complicated, and cults aren't exactly reasonable people.
This.
Frick Starfield, Frick Todd and Frick Bethesda but the discussion about Megaton is dumb.
So raiders are deathly afraid of a bomb yet refugees aren't because it was safer. You do know the entire life of a raider is one of death since they're always killing each other and looking out for their own group of people right?
Starfield sucks and is mid. I'll probably play like 1 to 2k hours of it over the next 10 years though.
Where's my option to genocide or force everyone in Paradiso out at gunpoint to let the Constant move in?
One question for anyone "liking" starfield
why do you think its acceptable to have that kinda dialogue, where you look straight at the npc with locked camera? Its ridiculously garbage.
Can't handle extended eye contact, huh chud?
Jokes aside I think they were just trying to go for an oblivion souljank feeling for it again. Didn't really work but I don't mind it. I hope someone makes a mod that adds a dialogue camera angle similar to fallout 4's, I miss being able to see my character every now and then in game without just switching to third person and staring at them for a second awkwardly.
Yes, I genuinely believe so. 76 is DOGSHIT, however, base raids, looting, sneaking around etc. can be quite fun for an afternoon or two. Nothing about Starfield is fun. It's an on-rails sterilized walking simulator with half-baked exploration, uninspired lore and weaponry, low quality mechanics, terrible characters, THE WORST romance options I have EVER seen, shallow writing, and it ISN'T an RPG. Endless invincible NPCs, limited choices, it is all so disappointing. And I cannot emphasize "sterile" enough. You can see where the devs went to lengths to remove references to basic human biology, or tweak a human phrase or comment into something computer-generated and "safe" for a public corporate audience. It makes me sick how boring and uninspired the game is, this is made all the more offensive when you consider the setting, an entirely new universe set in the age of the SPACE FRONTIER. And it manages to be forgettable. Starfield is a travesty.
Those men in bubble costumes gyrating around in place of cyberpunk strippers sums up the whole experience
The moment I did this was when I knew this game was irredeemable garbage. All this hype for a garbage area with easy bullet sponges. No traps, nothing. Frick this game
people are finally tired of accepting mediocre effort as a charming trait of a AAA developer. it's about fricking time.
Everyone gets mad about essential NPCs in Starfield but Cyberpunk doesn't even let you fire your weapon at quest NPCs, you can't even unholster your weapon in some areas, aiming your weapon at an important NPCs results in you not even being able to fire it.
Why is it okay when CDPR does it? Why is Cyberpunk 2.0 being praised when it's subjected to even worse hackery that makes it "not an RPG"? Seriously if cyberpunk taught me anything it's that time heals the perception of all mid games.
>Why is Cyberpunk 2.0 being praised
Marketing and sunken cost morons.
Can't believe Outer Wilds does it much better than this game
I can. Outer Wilds is an amazing little passion project. Starfield is a soulless corporate behemoth.
If you meant Worlds and not Wilds seeing how incomparable they are, I'd say Worlds and Starfield are both absolutely terrible in their own ways, but at least Outer Worlds let me kill everyone I didn't like.
i had fun, idc