Is it true that this isn't an actual MMO?
I've heard it's basically a single-player JRPG but you see people in towns and can team up with them for dungeons. But other than it's heavily focused on the story as a single-player experience.
I want to play an MMO but I guess all that's left is to go back to MapleStory or something.
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Yep, go back to Maple Story, this game is obviously not for you.
All I needed to know, thanks.
No. It's a wow clone. You have played WOW, right?
More like a WoW clone with less grinds.
Yup, only time you will interact with people in this game is endgame raiding or erp
What was the point of making it an MMO? From what I've heard, it could have just been a numbered FF.
Because it has hard group content and we don't want single player shitters ruining PF even more than it's already ruined
>"hard" group content
post your clear achievements
11 is a real FF mmo, as for why they didnt do it again? No idea
Not a profitable business model anymore, unless you make it on the cheap. In which case it has to be a VERY good game and garner a loyal as frick base of autists who do nothing but play it year-round, to make up for the fact that the game isn't as shiny/pointlessly overstuffed with random activities as other modern titles.
Shit like Blue Protocol being advertised as AAA mabinogi, it's nothing like mabinogi really
So what youre saying is modern gamers are normalhomosexual casuals? Woah
They did. It was called 1.0. It failed.
Literally this. 1.0 was it's own thing and not a WOW clone. It flopped hard.
I mean, it was also completely unfinished and forced out the door, so, yeah.
this was the actual worst part of the game. i wish we could have seen the true vision of a finished 1.0
Wasn't it forced out because they used up the budget and had to decide between canning the project or just pushing it out as is to bring in revenue for development?
Basically. MMOs are expensive, and FFXIV was no exception. SE's finances have always been a bit of a clusterfrick from developing as many random shitty JRPGs as they do, and 2010 was no exception. They did slightly below expectations with the release of XIII and Nier flopped pretty hard, so, they got worried.
1.0 came out, and turns out that was a horrible idea. So much so it was literally too big of a disaster for them to just up and cancel it. So, instead they hired Yoshi P to salvage the project as cheap as possible, which essentially was just repackaging the game as a generic WoW-clone because people eat those up for some reason.
They rushed it out to beat the WoW Cataclysm release because for some reason the suits thought that would work. There’s a reason Wada isn’t ceo anymore
The absolute irony that if they had just waited a few months later, people would have happily left Cata. When it comes to MMO competition, it's better to be the one that releases later.
it flopped because in nearly every aspect except visuals (debatable) it was worse than XI, had no content to speak of for nearly an entire year, barely even functioned for a year, had constant downtime, a botched japanese script, 5 story quests with no final boss (XI had a final boss on launch), all gear was solely stat sticks even at the highest level, half the game world was empty, and it was designed to run at 4:3 30fps in 2010. It did not fail because it was original, it failed because it literally did not function as an MMO or as a video game for the first 3 weeks
I can't think of a single negative thing to say about 1.0's visuals
I can:
It used fake prebaked shadows tied to the in game clock, the same as XI, which in higher fidelity looks incredibly jarring
Character models were gorgeous but nearly half the maps in the game were as barren and lifeless as XIs first maps
Graphics options were lacking and framepacing was abysmal, leading to constant graphical instability once things picked up (remedied later under yoshida, but only marginally)
It didn't handle distant terrain well at all
Fatigue was the single best feature ever made to keep content relevant (if it had any on launch), and is a perfect example of why deviating from allowing autists to 24/7 grind to the end in a week can't happen
I didn't mind the maps, but I was also coming from RuneScape. So, just having nice looking trees and rocks was enough for me to not care that they were repeating models. I think I also just happened to be one of the lucky people that had the right hardware for the game. It seemed like anyone with too new of hardware was just as screwed as people with old hardware.
>It seemed like anyone with too new of hardware was just as screwed as people with old hardware.
Nailed it, they optimized it for the minimum and recommended exclusively, even today running a local client if you spawn in the npcs you immediately hit the engine limitations and the FPS taaaanks. I have a modern cpu and a 3080ti and on the branch with all npcs spawned, im lucky to get 42-50fps in 1080p. The engine does not handle anything in the game at all, and the code is so inefficient the overhead on your hardware still will make your PC toasty.
>What was the point of making it an MMO?
so they could justify a monthly sub.
1.0 was a largely different kind of game that felt like a proper MMO. 2.0 got the modern day carnival ride treatment, but you can still treat it like a normal MMO, too.
Because it was forced to be an MMO. Remember the context for the game's development. It was developed in a short time span on a small budget to save a failing MMO. Regardless of whether it's single player or not, it was forced to be an MMO from the very beginning.
You can't ask people like $15 a month for singleplayer game can you
>15
+Retainer tax please
Oh and don't forget to ever stop subbing or we'll destroy your house you wasted millions on.
>pay for extra stuff
>it costs extra
What the FRICK??????/?
Cope.
Stop being a hoarder and you won't need 15 retainers.
Add a glamor catalog and I wouldn't have to be such a hoarder.
Sis your 800 slot glamour dresser? I think they're updating the armoire too.
when did it get expanded? haven't played in forever
6.2
So it's like every single MMO ever made.
Found the zoomer
What's an MMO that forces you to be partied up with the max number of people to accomplish even the most basic tasks and quests.
FFXI, lol
What? I got through the game while only grouping up for instances and raids.
Maybe modern retail XI, yeah. CoP era you couldnt do fricking anything solo
Literally FF11. You are describing FF11.
Not anymore he isn't
Try the Horizon private server for FFXI.
I'd rather not. The Trust system is honestly an improvement, and people on Horizon are uptight asshats.
Even when I first played it back in its early days you could still solo everything until the 30s. I'm talking about an MMO where you can;t even beat a lvl 1 enemy without needing a max party.
Doesn't exist and never will. Imagine selling a game that requires the player to have 3-7 other people ready to play with them from the moment they step out of the fricking character creator
So there will never, ever be an actual MMO.
what does an MMO need to be an MMO apart from being massively multiplayer?
Fricking player trading is mandatory, and half of "MMO"s these days dont even have that
FFXIV requires player interaction to advance in the main story, and to get the best gear. It's technically possible to do alone now with NPCs, but it's much slower and less reliable than doing it with players.
Duty finder is not player interaction. Shits all so easy until the very tippy top endgame. You can all be morons that never played a game in your life, and share 0 words with eachother and youll still clear the content with ease
This gets harder as you progress, and impossible when you do savages.
Naw bro, i quit on the moon after zodiark, you know, the fight theyve been hyping for a decade? Shit was braindead easy.
>savages
Yeah, endgame
Savages start as early as level 50, moron.
>zodiark was hyped for a decade
stop skipping all the dialog and you'd have been well aware that zodiark is literally just a pawn.
>ffxiv requires player interaction to complete the main story because you could do optional hard content at level 50
moron
>complaining that old content is easy now that players are geared and experienced
I suppose the only other option unless you play blind with a premade party of fellow new players is NPCs that automatically handle all the mechanics properly, though.
You start running dungeons with other players at 14, you're just mad that you were late to the game and people breeze through everything now. Sorry you missed the chance to wipe on Titan, I guess?
No one has ever fricking wiped on titan normal mode bro. Lmao
Anon people used to b***h on Ganker that they finally finished the feast bullshit just to get stuck. Sure, it was no Hard Mode, but plenty of players were getting filtered.
>you're just mad that you were late to the game
nope. the multiplayer aspect of this game has been lackluster since ARR. you could always realistically get from the beginning to the end of the story without interacting with players beyond the amount you would "interact" with an NPC
>launches glamourer
>turns on the legacy tat option
i accept your concession
shit you're right, i was 3 weeks late. i'm such a newbie
i can go on any player from the lodestone and just take a random screenshot of their achievements too
you do it for free
i already accepted your concession, you don't have to keep groveling.
a decade of anger all for free
thank you
you do it
for free
here is to another 10 years
I can tell from your complete lack of punctuation that you are aloof and unphased.
Yep. I call you a moron for free when you use running savage coils at 50 as an example to prove “player interaction is required to advance in the main story.” I’ll do it again too: moron.
Have a cat butt to calm down.
He's not me, but you just keep shifting your goal posts by changing the definition of player interaction to begin with. At no point did I say savage is required to advance the main story, but you said that savage is end-game exclusive content, and it's quite clearly not restricted to end-game levels or even regions.
>shifting your goal posts
It's not shifting the goal posts. If you can't tell the difference between actually interacting with other players and having them fill a role in an occasional dungeon that can be(and was) replaced by literal NPCs then I guess we just have an intractable difference in our understanding of human interaction. Have a good one.
What kind of interaction do you want with players that FFXIV doesn't give you? You have the option of forming your own parties from the start of the game. Maybe you're just too insufferable to make friends in the game, Anon.
>You have the option
Exactly. It's not required. Glad we've reached an understanding.
So your problem with the game is that people aren't forced to interact with you. Meanwhile plenty of players can jump in and start socializing immediately. You just lack people skills.
Everything was fine until they tried to claim they were going to replace WoW. I would have loved for 1.0 to push through. I doubt modern day hardware would have the same trouble that hardware had back then.
>So your problem with the game is that people aren't forced to interact with you. Meanwhile plenty of players can jump in and start socializing immediately. You just lack people skills.
All I said is that you can complete the main story without actually interacting with another person.
And you consider this a bad option for people to have. If people want to jump in with the story NPCs and take 30-40 minutes to clear the dungeon instead of waiting on other people, let them. Otherwise you end up with a FFXI situation where new players trickled in slower and slower because they'd try the game, get stuck, and quit.
>And you consider this a bad option for people to have.
I never said that.
Keep dabbing on these fat trannies, og.
Legacy tattoo doesn't mean much. There's plenty that have that tattoo that didn't start until 3.0 or later because they were still bitter about 1.0
>claims they dropped the game during Endwalker
>now logs in to post a legacy tattoo to try to claim they've been around since day 1
Things aren't adding up
there are clearly multiple people replying
Based og player dabbing on these fat ugly trannies
>implying it's even rare
Wish I could wear my Onion Helm as a Viera tbh
Maybe in 2030. Keep sucking yoships shriveled yellow wiener
It'll be part of the 7.0 visual upgrade or never
>Based og player dabbing on these fat ugly trannies
Nice selfie
blame bots for that. Blame all these online games's annoying as shit trading/player shop systems on botting.
To be fair 1-10 even is faster with 2 people, dont have to rest at all
>Even when I first played it back in its early days you could still solo everything until the 30s
Bullshit. Unless you setup certain job combos specifically for soloing, it got to be a struggle at like level 15. Especially your first job before unlocking subs
>im asking for this imaginary thing that never happened and never will
You got him champ, there’s no way that nerd will come back from that. Xiv is the best game ever made.
Wow classic.
what are you talking about moron?
vanilla WoW was literally advertised as being solo friendly.
you CAN party in WoW but you dont have to.
Go on and solo elite orcs fortress quests in Redridge. Make us laugh.
or hogger
Or that necromancer boss in Darkshire
you dont have to, because WoW was not designed like that.
whats the ratio of elite quests to regular quests in the game? 1:100? lower than that probably?
Go on and solo non elite worgen quests in darkshire at level 25, especially the one in the tiny ass mine with only two enemy spawns with the timer of five minutes and thirty other people trying to do it. Make us laugh.
again: you dont have to. you can skip it or return later.
I accept your defeat.
WoW Vanillia as well.
I'm playing Kronos Vanillia WoW, and frick man, at level 25 out of 60, I am already reaching walls of "standard missions" that should have been completed at level 20 or 21, but the enemies to kill are Golden Dragon type and have turbo-stats, so I have to team up with others, yes or yes
As far as I aware by googling all videos about old mmos, this "forces you to be partied up with the max number of people to accomplish even the most basic tasks and quests" was invented by EQ and XI. All other MMOs were not like this and you still was able to play solo.
Not ever made, ever made after 2010 yes. But before 2010? MMOs were an entire different experience. You wouldn't get it because you were born after September 11, 2001 so I understand you have brain damage from all the goyslop shoved down your throat since birth
Honestly, a lot of the change isn't from game design, but just how players act. There were players that would rush to end-game in MMOs when we were younger, too, but you also had a bunch of other kids that didn't want to mindlessly grind to loop the same dungeon over and over. We were more interested in exploring. We're all older and have less time now. If you run into someone that levels slowly and is working on crafting and gathering before the MSQ is complete, you're probably dealing with a child.
Childs, as in 16 and lower, do not play mmos. The whole genre is a genx/millenial thing, the genre will live and die with them.
I was thinking about this the other day. The new "mmo" type experience is in stuff like Roblox. RPGs in general don't appeal to the modern youth.
Also, they have discord/telegram to discuss and talk. Which answers
as well, people don't talk much in mmos in general anymore because they talk with each other in discord while playing.
But then, I've been a wow player between tbc and bfa in the eu, and outside of guilds people were never super talkative.
There was some spam in the chat, but the only discussion in game were shitflinging about politics and football.
WoW may have been silent, but games like RuneScape used to be talkative. It was the same with Xbox Live games, too. People used to just talk a lot, but eventually it all moved towards things like Xbox's party chat, or teamspeak/mumble/skype. The days when we were all playing a game fullscreen on a computer with only one monitor that would die if we tried to run another program in the background is over.
I am just glad I got to live that era. It was lightning in a bottle. I know deep down it won't ever come back
>e]
Its this. People were different. Now people act like pardon my french here actual NPCs. People are almost no different from AI these days. You could make an MMO with fake people programmed by Chat GPT with a que system and everything and scary enough youd get a similar experience. FF14 with ChatGPT players everything would be near identical to the current experience. Thats how fricking brainless people have gotten. The censorship, discord, everything it all adds up to a rotten playerbase. Battlebit was fun at first but now that mods have clamped down on people noone talks anymore. It is becoming a "silent" tryhard experience like the rest of the games. People just suck nowadays. But people are a product of the times, and the times are soulless so to speak.
play turtle wow. I'm playing with my friends right now and having a blast
Lali-ho!
you certainly are
Final Fantasy XI is boring
Yet it has actual working blue mage and real summons
Why the frick havent they added real summons to xiv yet? Lmao i remember them talking about that shit in ARR
What do you even want summons to be? I never played summoner in FFXI, but they mostly just seemed like WoW's hunter pets where they just did some basic functions for you. Current FFXIV summons seem more interesting.
Summons don't work in XIV since it wants to be strictly DPS/HEALER/TANK holy trio.
Arent xiv summons still little elementals? Im saying you should be summoning garuda herself and not a green blob
Summoner got a rework. You might want to check it out.
Oh nice, if i ever play 14 again i will be playing smn now
They are a 2 button mage now with no depth. Probably the easiest class in the game that lost any uniqueness it had
Sure, Anon.
Half of those are the same button... Are you moronic?
Nice shifted goal post.
I'm not even the same anon. I didn't shift shit. He said it was a two button job, you posted some bullshit rotation where they only press two buttons for almost the entire thing.
Anon it takes up 20-25 hotbar spaces
I have every class at level 90 and I grinded them with no boosting. I stand by my statement that they lost all their uniqueness and are a 2 button mage class. Your image does not refute my statement.
Original Summoner was just Ruin spam. Egis were just a dumb DPS booster that just sat there. Now Summoner actually gets a decent rotation and kit. If you want DPS dealing minions, hold out for Beastmaster, but it'll be a limited class if it ever arrives.
don't forget they took away our fricking shadowflare.
You must be baiting but if you're not, you're the person the job design team is trying to appeal to by making everything easier to play and making every single decision for you in-game instead of letting you think about how you're playing during a raid, you're ruining the jobs for everyone who isn't a sub 90 iq mongoloid all so you can play once a week for a couple hours and not do horribly because you don't have the brain power to learn a mildly difficult job rotation, good job
New summoner sucks ass and is the absolute most brain dead job in the game. You can bind the whole rotation to a macro and still do fine.
Dotmancer wasn't very good either.
I actually think it's fine for the game to have jobs that range in difficulty between braindead and complex. Summoner is essentially equal in difficulty to dragoon now.
Yeah, and dragoon went from requiring 25% brainpower last expansion to just pressing the buttons when they come off cooldown now. I just don't want every single job to be like that, the combat isn't fast enough paced to have no nuance or thinking involved, it gets stale really quickly
FF14 summons are literally way less interesting than basic WoW hunter pets and absolutely also less interesting than Warlock summons. Being generic rotation DPS filler is NOT interesting.
FF11 summons were way more unique than WoW pets too.
PUP and BST In FFXI is the GOAT though
never got to play PUP but BST is based because it lets you play solo sometimes when you dont have the time for long party grinds or when its for some content where you cant convince a party to help you with.
PUP is like customizable pet, but it needs lots of investment to get good, while BST does not need as much to be good. Both are fun to play though.
I think it embodies the worst traits of MMOs, or what not to do.
fr fr
Of course there's a fricking broccoli hair mod.
>most popular MMO in the world
>bad
Based fifa enjoyer
>spicball
>ever in my presence
no
Popular things are typically quite shit, yes.
You realize that vast majority of people will say that steak is better than McDonald's french fries, right? Also, asian fast food fries are pretty good.
>popular thing
>automatically good
Why are zoomies like this?
>>most popular MMO in the world
source?
Tells you a lot about how far this genre has fallen.
it’s as much a mmorpg as any game made after party finder was released in wow. Was it a mistake? Who knows, it’s a feature the player base will always demand now.
I expected a single-player JRPG/VN and I hated it. Too many fetch quests, atrocious MMO combat, horrible pacing, forced dungeon matchmaking. Make of that what you will.
It has bunnies, it is great.
No, the world is way too big and lifeless to pass as a singleplayer game. There are no permanent changes either of course.
>single-player JRPG but you see people in towns and can team up with them for dungeons. But other than it's heavily focused on the story as a single-player experience
isnt that what mmos are anymore?
Maybe so. I come from the early 2000's era of mmos and they were much different.
playable merfolk race when?
Since we're talking about FFXI, what's the best subjob for Summoner?
Don't even bother with this troony corpse
Go play bg3 or something
does anyone even do the low level savages?
have a nice day
I genuinely dont know i havent played 14 seriously since before they added old savages in. Apperantly not though kek
You missed the chance. Now the game is dead.
Pray asmong returns
Go and play Guild wars 2 and leave us alone to mourn the death of our game.
I honestly wish they'd just release a new FF mmo that doesn't have the MSQ locks that this game has. FFXI was much easier for players to just jump into and explore.
You can try to make a party finder for it, but most people just solo them with a level 90 for the completion and drops now.
This is how I know you didn't play when it was new.
I was in the ARR beta, Black person. No one has ever wiped on titan normal. He cant even knock you off in that version
homie, 2.0 Titan Story Mode had knock off, and it used to kill every healer that was running for the first time without fail.
Everything kills healers without fail, those homosexuals tunnel vision so hard it's unreal.
>2.0 Titan Story Mode had knock off
doesn't he still? i just jumped in to test it and landslide knocked me off the edge
Heres something we can all agree on. Cat butt
Mithra are better than miqo'te because you had no choice but to play one as a tanned tomboy.
This guy knows whats up
>Tumblr Nose
It's funny watching you guys get all catty towards anything XI related. You're tired of getting bullied aren't you?
gross, also they have poop noses
*kissable cat noses
I miss the character restrictions FFXI had. Now everyone looks like a hyur midlander but with cat ears or horns.
Yes, you were late enough to miss people struggling with content before it was being ran by people that were leveling up alts. Also, strange choice of achievements when all those would show is that you loaded up the game at launch. For all we know, you dropped it right aftter.
but I don't want some brown shitnosed catgirl
Ur gay
>Yes, you were late enough to miss people struggling with content before it was being ran by people that were leveling up alts.
lmao no. people were trickling in slowly up to like halfway through HW because no one trusted the game after 1.0. it wasn't a massive bumrush to max level at hour 1 like new expansions nowadays
The free trial lasted all the way to 35, and servers were full the first week. Post your Titan Story clear achievement, homosexual.
>The free trial lasted all the way to 35, and servers were full the first week.
that doesn't disprove what i said
Modern MMOs are not real MMOs. They are que simulators. The only actual MMO left is OSRS.
Na mortal online 2 reminds me of old school ultima online.
Ultima online is still around too, just not sure how many play it vs private shards
True glad that games still kicking such a unique one
https://www.guildwars2.com/en-gb/
Lol id rather play dragonflight
Trash like ffxiv. GW2 better than both
Click that link, you wont regret it
Just signed up. What am I in for?
Wokeness and shitty combat animations
why is FF11 PLD equally as boring as FF14 PLD?
Xi is better than this doodoo
Doggy doodoo lol. Big stinky! Yuck
Doodoo dud, dude. LoL
Hhh big stink!!!
As a RUN player, PLD seems pretty cool to me.
nah you will slog through the msq and after you're done you will be met with depression and unfulfilled social expectations
So is dawntrail finally doing something different, or is it more of the same vertical progression nu-mmo slop?
Nobody cares about dawnfail
lore time
Black person time
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>I've heard it's basically a single-player JRPG but you see people in towns and can team up with them for dungeons.
And that's a good thing
you still have to pay monthly for it
and it still has all the flaws that come with being an MMO
If it ain't worth it, it ain't worth it. People can figure that out.
It's technically free up until the end of Heavensward, and soon Stormblood.
it's as much of an MMO as you want it to be.
Doggy doodoo daddy dud, dude. Dood dude doodoo dood dood doodad
It’s not an mmo? Then why is it marketed as one?
>Hmmm, the way the MSQ is structured negatively impacts the ability to play with my friends.
>That's because you're supposed to play it like a singleplayer final fantasy game!
>The RPG elements in this game are really lacking compared to its predecessors. And why are all of the dungeons straight lines?
>It's an MMO, it's supposed to be like that!
That's why.
Why do people want dungeon and raids to be long convoluted mazes that take several hours to complete if you're lucky and rush as fast as possible? Who looked at the Blackrock Spire dungeons and said "These are the ultimate pinnacle of dungeon design and all dungeons in all MMOs ever made should be exactly like them"?
If a dungeon isnt maze like, it isnt a fricking dungeon
Not everyone has the time to spend hours and hours on one minuscule part of a game.
people with jobs and families played 11 just fine, sounds like a skill issue to me
Why would you come here just to lie?
>be me
>join a new FC after returning to the game
>decide it's best not to out myself as being in my 30s because it's almost certainly going to be teenagers and college students
>winds up being all people in their 30s and 40s
It's almost comforting that we have a genre to ourselves
I have a friend when he was a kid his dad played everquest with him.
well the idea is to combine that with game design where it's a significant endeavor that you do because you or someone you're playing with needs something in the dungeon for a quest or whatever. not indistinguishable slop that you burn through daily to get your Good Boy Points
So something you only do once and never again unless you're forced to so your friend who started playing later can be hand-held through it.
i'd rather have an hour or two of engaging gameplay i never touch again than five hours of text boxes i'll never read again
So why do you play MMOs at all? Every single one of them is like that.
FFXI wasn't
XIV being an MMO harms the overall design of the game. When judging the game as an entry in the Final Fantasy series, it is shit tier because of it.
No, the story having a few moments cool enough to overshadow everything leading up to them being a tedious slog does not absolve the bad gameplay.
The dungeon you're complaining about is peak soul. You are outing yourself as an NPC.
Black person I played WoW since it first started and I never liked the dungeons that force you to spend hours upon hours in them for very little accomplishment.
"you think you do, but you don't" is a very real thing. A lot of people, especially older mmo players, think they want hard content, long grind, forced multiplayer, lore over gameplay, but experience has taught us over and over that people will always find the easy way out. The latest example is wow hardcore, where people will cheat in what is a self inflicted challenge.
And yeah I am sure SOME people actually want that, but their numbers are miniscule and not worth from a financial point of view.
optimization is part of gameplay.
making something complex enough that people who run it multiple times find faster/better ways to do it is great.
if it becomes too easy then its up to the game designers to make it more challenging, rather than throwing their hands in the air and making every "dungeon" a pointless rehashed hallway you just zerg through.
its funny that you mention lore over gameplay when it comes to older mmos, when its literally FF14 that commits to that, to the detriment of gameplay. there is arguably no need for any dungeon made after heavens ward because they are all structured the same way and its usually the same few boss gimmicks reshuffled. but they are still there as a backdrop to the shitty linear MSQ.
the world maps are just as redundant. the environment doesnt matter at all and enemies use the same AI and moves they had since ARR.
blackrock depths is absolutely one of the best dungeon complexes ever put into a video game.
are you moronic?
>>Hmmm, the way the MSQ is structured negatively impacts the ability to play with my friends.
My thoughts exactly. You can't just tell your friends, "hey let's play this asiaticslop game where each one of us will be doing the same single player quests without actually playing together". That's what bothers me about this """multiplayer""" game. You can't even transfer your character to another server without paying $18 and even then it's a non-trivial process that you must meet a list of requirements.
FFtrannies are not bothered by any of this because they don't have any real life friends.
No, no. We're bothered very much, but at some point we realize the story is good enough to make up for this laundry list of moronation.
>the story is good enough
did I miss something? all I saw was cheesy shonen shit
Oh no, a Japanese game has Japanese things in it, this sends me into raging hysterics, Blizzard please save me.
FFXIV has an outstanding story, and FFXIV has a shitty story. It's always back and forth on quality. The ups tend to make up for the downs, though.
>"hey let's play this asiaticslop game where each one of us will be doing the same single player quests without actually playing together"
As opposed to "let's play this goyslop game where each one of us will be doing the same single player quests without actually playing together"?
what game are you talking about?
because I have never played an MMO where I couldnt quest together with friends or run dungeons with friends to level up or just grind shit to progress.
I swear to god you FF14 homosexuals never played other MMOs and think they are all as shit as that.
Ragnarok was just people mindlessly killing overworld mobs to sell drops. Any quests had to be picked up by each and every player if they were going to get credit for it. So, you either progressed together, or fricked off solo.
>Any quests had to be picked up by each and every player if they were going to get credit for it.
and? most of those quests were designed to actually be made in a party. often you'd even help out people if you did them already. grinding shit and leveling was better in a party too.
you arent even arguing the point.
because 100% of your progression is locked away behind the MSQ and the MSQ is designed to be as anti multiplayer as possible.
MMOs are what I like. Not FF14.
Eureka/Bozja are the right idea but they are too small scale. The dream would be for every world zone to be like them. Looks like SE dont even care about making that kind of stuff as side content anymore though as there wasnt anything like that in the latest expansion.
>because 100% of your progression is locked away behind the MSQ and the MSQ is designed to be as anti multiplayer as possible.
Not really, if you're all on the same step of it.
then why does the msq make the party disband every 10 quests
yes the cities remain relevant for the expansions side content and people levelling another job who are at the level range to get the 1 set of gear from the expansion
How are you unable to do those things in FFXIV? Last time I checked you could party up with friends and grind, do FATEs, dungeons, raids, etc otgether.
If Korean grind MMOs are what you like then more power to you then.
Take the Eureka/Bozja pill.
You can literally just go to an aetheryte and travel to their world. Data center travel is from world select menu. There's cross-world linkshells, too.
You really need to update your script if you're still complaining about server transfers lmao.
>smothering your face into Meteor's pec cleavage
TranS
Someone post more cat butts, mithra or miqo'te idc
XIV pushes things too much some times, for example making every dungeon doable with npcs is a mistake imho, but I unironically believe it's the blueprint of how modern mmos should be.
Will i like this if i loved ff12? I just want more of that. I dont care about the mmo elements.
12 is one the FF games XIV took a lot of inspiration from in its reboot. I think there's definitely something for you in it.
freetrial.finalfantasyxiv.com
It's essentially a single player game with forced MMO dungeons/bosses. Every player in the game either is horny or are pricks. Best to just avoid the game and let it die.
It's a weird hybrid that does none of it well
>I've heard it's basically a single-player JRPG but you see people in towns
And they will basically do fricking nothing besides run past you, stand at vendors or ERP with emotes right on the streets.
>and can team up with them for dungeons.
I've tried teaming up with people but the queues were frick off long. Maybe because most of the playerbase doesn't even play the game and just ERP or show off their uwu cute girl avatars.
>But other than it's heavily focused on the story as a single-player experience.
It's a single player game alright, because good luck trying to team up or communicate with other people, especially if it's for any other purpose than second life shit/ERP
ques are like 5 minutes long, even for DPS unless you're trying to do shit like Nier or Savage
If 14 copied WOW more core gameplay wise. We would've gotten moreminion based jobs.
they gave up on minions because they are too incompetent to code AI for them.
and for some reason they are on a war path against dots too.
>Summoner
>Beastmaster
>Puppeteer/Mammeteer
>Necromancer
All could've been kino
By any rational estimate, the game is roughly 95% mandatory single player, and about 97 or 98% optional single player.
playing xi rn what's your favorite gatherer? for me, it's mining. logging feels like a gamble.
I only liked fishing. its really well fleshed out.
FF14 story is 90% filler and 10% killer prove me wrong. Shits more bloated than naruto
Got to glorious nippon in Stormblood.
I'm surprised this city isn't full of people at all times considering the player base.
why would it be? the only city that let's you exchange relevant items is radz at han. new cities invalidate old ones you just go back when your job is at 50/60/70/80 for the tome gear
This is why I don't like nu-MMOs they use similar vertical design to gacha games.
I would say gacha is just evolution of the modern MMO genre, stripped down to the absolute basics.
no they entirely miss the point of MMOs.
Everyone has their own definition of MMOs.
they miss the point of MMOs but so do modern "MMOs" so hes not wrong
what would you do with the old areas to keep them relevant? Quests already go back to them from time to time, but Kugane especially is just sitting somewhere with no direct connections.
Just keep the old areas and items relevant. Don't design your game on verticality, drop ilevels, drop "this item is better than this" mentality. In FFXI every city and area was relevant until they brought the ilevel cancer from XIV which ultimately killed the game, even though they tried to backpedal.
why even make new content then? i'm not gonna buy an expansion if i can't get better shit in it than what i can already get now.
why? especially in FF14 where gear is literally just an arbitrary number that goes up with zero customization its a stupid demand.
they could remove gear from the game fully and it wouldnt even change much.
In FFXI gear is highly situational, the game is heavily based on preparation, and some encounters are impossible or very hard if you don't have the correct setup. Thus new expansions brough new situational gear or new jobs.
Bullshit, in XI you saw players in every city, and even outside cities. You also stumbled into them in dungeons. There's no point waiting for party in city if people are levelling up in VD for example.
That's because people were leveling their alts. It's just a byproduct of games having slower leveling in the past.
>just do it
Okay but how? Even in FFXI, people would primarily gather in the latest city looking for parties for the latest content.
this isn't even true in private servers now, let alone retail 15 years ago
Post pics of the private server towns and maybe I'll download it
im not at my pc though.. but every city in xi regardless (until the wotg conquest changes) was populated by people synthing and going to the crafting guilds, people fishing, people levelling, etc. this is true today on eden and horizon, and even to an extent retail because every city and hub has the entrance to some kind of endgame
I'll take my PF system over yelling in a city chat.
Of course you like the anti-social system more. Even though nobody yell'd in XI but used the search to find people with LFG sign up, and send tell.
The four main cities in FF11 were all decently populated for a very long time.
This was accomplished through various design decisions:
-certain NPCs were only in those cities
-those cities were closer to specific points of interest and travel wasnt trivial
-nationality mattered for massive questlines
-there were special vendor npcs that would get stock that changes depending on the fake-PVP nature of the worlds conquest mode
All of those aspects have been undermined with FF14.
Damn, I still remember my first journey to jeuno ...
DRK player here, you need to use defensives and your AoE heal cooldown as well as the blackest night to survive wall2walls. For GNB I have no idea I hate squall.
lol
lmao
Thank god I don't have to devote my afternoon after work just to traveling to an area in hopes that tomorrow I can find a group to actually play the game anymore.
god you are such a homosexual
Not everyone can live off of welfare and autismbux
I have plenty of time after work but I'd rather spend that time in the dungeon and not getting there.
weird how you'd say something like that despite being the exact person that wants everything handed to them like in modern mmos, homosexual
I don't want everything handed to me. FFXIV is the right mix between old and new.
there is no old in FF14.
Sorry that you're too jaded to enjoy things in life. I hope the meds start working for you soon.
oh its the shiteater programming
>he thinks a japanese game dev is going to hang out on a western version of 2ch
everything is handed to you now though in ff14, relic weapon? that thing you had to grind for? homosexuals like you turned that into 1500 tome dump. The only thing you have to "work" for is fricking ultimates and all that work is for the e-peen of "I got 7 other morons to stand in the right circles for 20 minutes straight" and a weapon thats just a glowing recolor of old shit, usually those relics that actually DID take a time investment.
Do you think that relic should still require the entire process it needed from 2.0? I don't like how overly simplified it's become, but keeping it complicated just turns it into completely abandoned content. I can't even imagine trying to fate farm now that no one does fates.
>abandoned content
It was literally used to make old content somewhat alive though, just like the moogle treasure hunt shit they do at the end of patches. That shit makes people run old content. Eureka and Bozja aren't dead if thats what you mean by abandoned content.
Because it was so much fun finally getting a party made just for the domino effect of players that had to log off almost as soon as the party was filled or about to fill. You could only do anything worthwhile on a weekend. The rest of the week was chatting and and crafting because you knew you didn't have time to do anything else.
yeah it was fun.
queer
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
or you could do what people actually did in reality and play the numerous solo activities there were such as harvesting, synthing, mining, logging, chocobo digging, farming crystals, gathering mob drops, levelling alt jobs while waiting but alas knowing these things would have required playing the game
my girlfriend in '06 once said "is final fantasy that one where you ride chickens through the desert?" and it really made me reconsider how much time i spent just traveling to the dunes still stayed subbed until 2011 or so
good city design gives places a reason to visit.
FF14 city design is mostly just the same copy pasted tome vendors for every expansion.
People aren't going to hang out in a city just because it looks nice. It needs something to do. Triple Triad helped, but outside of roleplaying, people aren't going to hang out in Gridania just because you think it's pretty and want them to.
yep. i only stomach XIVs when i play the new expansion since, like i said, you go back for the side content/levelling. In WoW its fricking sickening, the old world is literally locked off to new players and they're immediately thrust into like the 7th expansion. It is genuine sickeningly addiction focused design that makes me wish blizz would be hounded by feds over making effectively digital crack designed to siphon your wallet. FFXI and PSO ftw
they did that because the whole games progression is collapsing on itself as its too long running.
expecting people to run through 20 years worth of expansions to actually reach the point where you meet active players at the current expansion is not feasible.
they fricked it up but some sort of action had to be taken.
MMOs shouldnt run this long.
damn, so the major cities of each xpac will be like this till endwalker? Never progressed any MMO to expansion content before.
Ishgard had more people but I also play on Midgardsomr so maybe it's a server name thing.
they're in the housing ward
Its a visual novel with a chatroom in the corner
Can someone help me? I have maxed out GNB and DRK and I try to do wall to wall pulls and I more often than not die in the process. However my friend who tanks every so often is able to pull much harder than me despite what tank she plays and she survives every time. What am I doing wrong Ganker?
is your friend lower level?
your power actually goes down at level cap.
Yes, she just started an alt and her tanks are level 30.
the power scaling is all fricked up.
you're stronger at lower level, by scale, than you are at max level.
You’re a fricking stooge.”expert” dungeons are dramatically easier than most leveling ones
oh okay
properly spacing your mits, using invuln at the right time to save pulls
some arr dungeons were not made to be wall to wall'd
also sometimes its your healers fault
Those stands are just asking to collapse on your neck.
Once October hits, you'll be able to do all story dungeons in the game with AI party members. You'll still have to do all the plot boss fights besides like, the penultimate in Endwalker, with other players though, albeit the devs have apparently floated the idea of getting AI working on those too.
Yeah, the game is an MMO if you go outside the main story, but at this point the main story is the majority of the game's appeal.
I wish I was able to experience real old MMOs. The big ones. In my country we had only EQ2 (very niche), WoW and L2 with Ragnarok. The internet wasn't even a real thing up until 2009s.
They were ahead of time. We even had no-targeting spell combat in 1990s. It's just like playing CRPG online opposite to current MO/gacha style solo gameplay. Maybe someday they will comeback.
Reminder to anyone who even randomly entertains the thought that 1.0 would have been good if they "just put more work into it"
I think complaining about fatigue is shallowminded, but the rest of this video is pretty spot on. They made a beautiful world and I loved the systems in place, but it was like Square was too nervous to actually put serious effort into it. You'd think FFXI would have made them competent at designing an MMO's back end, at the very least.
if they could retool it into a garbage WoW clone then they couldve also polished it up to be a proper successor to their previous mmo.
nothing I said is wrong.
it works on Steam Deck and its very based for that. I fished a lot.
typing is a bit shit though.
There was no chance of polishing it up.
I didn't think about that. Maybe I'll get a Steam Deck after all.
warning: I only tried horizon on it. I havent tried retail. playonline hell might cause issues.
you can play it, I have. With windower it's easier, but it requires a small amount of tinkering. Nothing major, overall it's still pretty easy to get running if you've ever used a pc.
There was no appetite to take a risk on something like that.
WoW had made a proven formula. They literally studied WoW in detail in order to best emulate it because they knew that's what people want.
People will always fantasize over what could've been. But the fact of the matter was that despite the fancier visuals, weightier movement and more old-school design, the game fricking blew for most people and it was never gonna do well in a 2010 environment where WoW took the king role and XI fans didn't want to replace their game.
Plus if you actually look at anything past the surface, the number of fully motion-captured and voice acted cutscenes were paltry compared to everything else, the combat was ass butts out the wazoo as they somehow fricked up XI's system despite also trying to streamline it with a "better" controller-friendly UI, and the environments were awful past the initial splendor. Cities filled with empty hallways, the overworld areas being gigantic messes with absolutely no landmarks, the Gridanian forests being a literal maze of nonsense bullshit, and so forth.
Even pushing the budget aside, the game was just poorly made altogether.
I want my bigger 1.0 butts, man.
I want 1.0 ui and font.
get yourself bubble butts mod or something i dunno
Honestly we can mod and rearrange things like this to some degree, that's just on the community for not caring enough to give it a shot.
It's honestly baffling that there's no 1.0 interface remake mod for XIV yet.
damn its almost like the major issues with it were that it was unoptimized as frick and base game was unfinished as shit, you know because it was rushed out the fricking door
The engine was never capable of being used as an MMO engine.
>Most of the video is complaining about the servers being broken on day 1 release of an MMO
Like every single MMO ever?
>Be me
>Queue for Alliance Roulette
>WoD
>In one group (C) sprout DRK tank
>First boss
>Main tank has boss positioned perfectly but sprout-tank keeps provoking boss seconds before beam attack
>kills nearl a whole group
>Chat goes a bit wild but no attack
>Classic white knight defending sprout tank and cursing at everyone else especially those from Balmung
>Sprout tank did that the whole time, looked totally intentional
>"H-he's new ok? Frick off or I'll start reporting!"
>Skip to Cerberus
>Picks up a chain and doesn't use it and guess what? Failed mech lead to wipe because he was also standing behind boss to constantly trigger back attack.
>Party chat: I'm sure he's doing it intentionally>
>Second attempt he picks up chain again and wipe again
>White Knight on full-schizo mode: AIEEEEEE IS THAT THE GREAT COMMUNITY?!?!?! YOU ARE ALL TOXIC FRICKS!
>Both kicked immediately
>Clear WoD
>Get a /tell by sprout tank: This wouldn't happen if you were playing GW2 instead of this second life simulator
I wish Square would port FFXI to Switch
how did we sink so low
what tanaka was cooking would've been kino with an actual engine
You should try thinking for yourself sometime.
>1.0 could have been good if they just fixed it!
SOVL
if they could remake the map for ARR then they couldve remade the map for 1.0 design too.
This shit wasn't even a dungeon. That's just a region to traverse. And all of it looks like someone threw the map in a procedural generator.
>waa waa why is my world large and take time to traverse waa waa me want to idle in a city and queue into instance >:~~*
You don't even know what you want, the second time you'd have to go through that zone (with no minimap btw) you'd be b***hing about it.
Don't speak for me homosexual, I happen to enjoy mmos unlike tourist homosexuals like you
Let me guess you're some epic oldgay that's still playing Ultima Online right?
Actually felt like a confusing magical forest that was intended to be used for the defence of a small hamlet inhabited by small gnomes.
Can't say the same for ARR.
>inhabited by small gnomes
gridania is still predominantly a hyur/elezen city in 1.0
its like yuhtunga jungle, but not as convoluted.
>why does this forest have a bunch of trees I have to walk around?
People that complain about Shroud are moronic. It wasn't even hard to navigate.
anything is an improvement over 2.0+ having no overworld
you go through it one time for the story and then never again, it's completely worthless
they might as well just not make maps and just be Vindictus with a shittier combat system
You spend tons of time in the areas when you level gathering and do hunts.
>when you change zones
You don't fricking say. Sure the zones are big, but they were also incredibly barren and everything had N64 levels of polygons before they did the graphics upgrade. Even then, if you traveled far enough, and the game didn't have a chance to unload and load in the zones it was after, it would still stop you in your tracks and put you in a loading screen, although it was rare. Blizzard used to be really good at game development.
CONTINENTS, not zones, moron. Learn to read and accept i just schooled your cultist ass.
You really the type of homie to say "um yes actually you spend a lot of time in the open world when you do fates!!!" like anyone does that shit genuinely have a nice day my man
>no one does gathering
Are you legitimately moronic?
you're thinking of regions as zones as if continents can't also be zones.
wow all of 1 thing uses the open world epic!!!!! you sure showed me!!! moron
There's more than gathering, but you already made it clearly that you don't count anything other than combat, but also for some reason don't count fates and hunts.
This reminds me, I need to do my sightseeing log still.
I fricking called it. You stupid fricking drone.
>called it
Called what? You only like combat, and that's fine, but Fishing, Botany, and Mining use the overworld, as do fates, which are required for bicolor stones, and then there's the beastmen quests, etc.
There is plenty to do in the overworld if you're a crafter/gatherer, or even a completionist. What do YOU want in the overworld that XIV doesn't have? I have a feeling you don't have any actual quantifiable response, and can't offer anything more than "just do something".
completely optional garbage that no one does epic, good thing everything that matters is in an instance or idle trannies like yourself would stop playing right
Everything is optional, it’s a video game
So I'm right in that you can't actually describe any sort of content that should be added. I'm a man with a penis, and I'm sorry that it upsets you to know that people like a game that you seem to have gotten completely filtered by.
It's clear that no matter what is listed your responses will be:
-Doesn't count because I don't do that
-Doesn't count because it's not mandatory
-Doesn't count because I don't know what it is
I don't know why you're in a thread for an MMO at all, because I can't think of a single MMO that makes all of its content mandatory and based solely around a homosexual that only levels 1 combat class.
>if you think my perfect game is shit you must have got filtered
buddy I've played 14 longer than you, everything being instanced singleplayer bullshit is terrible but you eat that slop up have a nice day
>I've played 14 longer than you
That's quite the assumption>
What now big boy?
>attached to keys
Does yours actually still work? I'm jealous.
Yeah, still works. I should probably disconnect it because, it's gonna break one day.
It's connected to a pair of keys that open the side panel on a computer I no longer have. So, they don't see much use.
Mine started giving way a couple years ago. It won't just up and quit. Even now if I press the button enough times, it'll eventually pop a number up. It just takes 4-5 presses and I lost confidence in it. That being said it's incredibly easy to just use a phone authenticator. I just dislike phones because in the military it did nothing but bring me bad news or bring me stress. So, I'd rather use a fob.
>Wordswordswords wall of assmad
Okay, troony.
>I'm a man with a penis
>I'm a man with a penis
>I'm a man with a penis
>I'm a man with a penis
Anyway all this overworld content is bad in XIV. The only good part is GIGA Fates and BA with Eureka. Sadly they're designed for lowest common denominator (people who asked for easy mode for MSQ). And the combat system of XIV and the purge of any RPG elements are not designed for such encounters. I played XI a little and you just feel it was designed for group mob combat
>you are a dev working on XIV 1.0
>you have only a couple hours left before deadline to submit a map layout for Black Shroud and you cannot think of anything good
>decide to go to lunch, maybe you'll think of something in the meantime
>while eating you accidentally spill your ramen on the floor
>staring at the mess of broth and noodles, inspiration suddenly hits
people always share this map but I never saw the actual ingame graphics
what did it look like, a frickton of corridors, and a huge tree in the middle for every few meters?
holy SOV-
ok what the frick that is a lot of copypaste
how could they thought this was a good map design
The copy/paste was the big offender for this area. The map design is fine for a forest, but it was hard to figure out where you were or if you were even going in a circle without focusing so hard on the map that they may as well have not even modeled the forest.
I honestly always thought this area was comfy. It felt far more like I was in a forest than the current shroud, which is just a bunch of small trees despite being an ancient forest.
>This holding stance
My dick
Isn't that just the Dragoon stance?
Dragoon points downwards.
>”we have enough money and time to go back and add ears and tail holes for all the arr armor pieces, no more clipping!”
>stops after dozen or so and never brings it up again
Based Yoshi p!
You would never do that. You recharged MP faster with weapon put up, and you could cast without drawing weapon. So you just never held your weapon.
Basically.
It's a forest, so, you're flanked by rock passes that are topped with trees. Or by rivers and other obstances.
Wasn’t 1.0 outsourced to some chinese mobile game dev? That’s why chocobos were called horsebird in the game files?
a large amount of the code was outsourced.. yeah that explains everything, huh?
anyway, little fun fact about square enix MMOs: did you know they only expected FF11 to last 3-4 years? once the 3rd expansion released they immediately dropped 11 at the peak of its popularity assuming that it will just die and started making 1.0
>1.0
>Variety of skills that have different effects.
>Slower more focused combat.
>Have to use healing skills, losing health in battle.
>ARR
>All skills seem to be a generic attack
>Enemy is down to 40% HP within about 10 seconds, player health never drops below 95%.
Why even have open world monsters to fight at that point?
Xivgays don’t actually want to play their game. They want to go to their gay clubs and erp in their H&M glams.
FFXIV could very well just be a mission based game with the towns as lobbies and almost nothing would change.
When are we getting loading screens between zones and cities removed?
If wow could do it 20 years ago why can’t xiv?
Console hardware and the game being built with instanced spaces because this shit had to run on the PS3.
But it’s running on PS5 and X now. There is no excuse.
No, there is one extremely relevant excuse that explains a lot of things in FFXIV. Such as why the races they added years ago can't wear hats: The developers are just lazy.
You want to try to rework entire maps, regions, server design, and 2013 networking/engine spaghetti code that flips a b***h at simply standing in the Limsa Lominsa plaza?
They already made a full seamless La Noscea map, you can see it in that one gold saucer jumping map
PS4 limitations please understand
My final cope is that the graphics update shit they're doing is the start of them trying to updating the backend systems so we can move away from limitations based on a console with 256mb of RAM.
You say that like people didn't compare the different WoW loading screens and vote on which ones people liked best. WoW was full of loading screens at the start.
When you enter an instanced dungeon or change the continent, yes. Stupid b***h.
Would take too much work, especially since cutscenes and events are tied to specific maps
At this point too much game logic revolves around it. It's also just not an issue for most people, though I would hate to live out in the country with slower internet or have a slow PC. Even the PS4 loads pretty quickly.
The issue with the overworld is that fates aren't worth doing.
A long time ago, like before HW they were the meta for getting jobs to 50 and I remember parties would be riding all over the place doing all the fates in order and it was probably the most fun I've had with this game.
Grindy yeah, but it made the world feel alive. The over-focus on flight and lack of rewards behind fates is what killed the open worlds.
Shared Fates was an attempt to make them worth doing, but it missed the mark because its just more shitty furniture/glamshit, fates themselves are still dogshit for leveling/gil/ or anything else.
yoshi p specifically apologized during ARR for people doing fates and nerfed fate and leve xp and buffed dungeons
That can’t be real?
Yeah, how dare he socialize with people in an mmo. Just afk in limsa and wait for your que to pop. Do the same thing again, pig.
>fates in order and it was probably the most fun I've had with this game.
>shitty spam fest with bunch of randoms
>fun
tells everything about XIV player base
XIV never had good or lively overworld, it's just a filler for following the quest marker
Name an MMO with a good open world.
everquest, ff11, maplestory pre big bang, runescape
RuneScape has completely ruined their open world by making it too content dense.
what there is too much in the world to do?
Sort of. It's just too dense. You can't walk more than a few paces without running into some minigame or skilling area now. I really wish they'd redo the overworld to be larger, but I also get that it's not an easy task to do.
from what I hear they are making the world larger but its by expanding in the oceans with sailing, or at least thats whats happening in osrs I think
>maplestory pre big bang
I remember as a kid I used to just ride the ship back and forth to talk to people there. It was nice.
Any content can be social.
Hell Hunt Trains can be pretty fun.
Wow classic.
XI, UO
>fates
>socializing
RO, WoW, FFXI
The bicolor stones are nice, and they make fates worth doing again. You can usually find people in partyfinder that are doing them. Depending on the time of day, though, party finder just becomes this
that image gave me a cancer
You literally don't even see this shit unless you click on the little cuck tab they were shunted to after they got a bit too big for their britches.
I just grabbed it from "Data Center, All" which are the default party finder tabs.
Going for that gem mount. Which zones is good farming place?
I think fates should give more EXP than they do, but what else do you want them to give? Cosmetics is a good enough reason to grind the new zone fates.
I wouldn't mind if they gave more gil or more crafting materials, like an alternative way to get crystals or some shit.
I'd also like yellow quests to give way more in terms of gil/exp.
They can buy last year's outfit from the mogstation lol
>People (normies) mad the summer event outfit isn't a prostitute outfit but a sentai outfit
I HATE THESE REFUGEEESS
>refugees
homie people hated the original 1.0 armor rangers too
Does XIV have anything equivalent to this?
downloading the game via steam before 2018
no, ff14 doesn't have dungeons like 11 so something like this quest would literally just be talking to a bunch of npcs and then doing a dungeon (read: hallway) that takes less than 10 minutes and then a cutscene at the end
90% of FFXI's dungeon content involved walking part of the way into it, or just straight darting straight to the end to the highly obvious location. It may have seemed more complex because we were moronic children, but it really wasn't that special, and you usually didn't even have to worry about enemies because other players were already fighting them.
I agree but FFXIV's dungeons are:
>2 packs of mobs
>wall
>2 packs of mobs
>mini boss
>repeat x3
>final boss
The only time dungeons are fun in FFXIV is if its a deep dungeon.
EO is dogshit though.
I don't think so, it added some neat ideas.
Dread Beasts are neat, and Demiclones are a cooler concept than Magicite floor wipes.
The bosses are a step up compared to HoH as well.
thats cope and not how it works at all.
so you got through delkfutt first try without getting lost at all? or did you get help from another player? wild concept I know
Please do not tell me you actually struggled with Delkfutt Tower
i did because i didn't know japanese and had to use auto translate to ask for help when i imported the game
It's been years, but wasn't that place more or less just a giant staircase with some gigas?
theres multiple pathways and teleporters that go different branching paths iirc I forget if delkfutt has one way paths but other dungeons in ffxi do
I may have just got really lucky when I went the first time if it was supposed to be hard, but looking at the maps and looking at
makes the path seem just as easy as I remember. Then again, people were probably talking about where to go. It's hard to get lost in a game when it's new and everyone keeps pointing the way.
It’s a little complicated
I al not going to resub for the summer event
>”BUT BRO YOUR POWER RANGERS ARMOR AND CHEEVO YOU’LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET”
Not worth 10€.
Well don't.
Why should we care
Say it without crying now.
literal who
Why did you make your character a girl?
Because i am a girl (female).
How do you make friends in this game? People are either idling AFK or they poof out of dungeons immediately.
you dont, its a single player game
There are 100+ new posts since I last checked this thread and the IP count didn't even go up by 10
You do it for free
>how dare you talk about video games in the designated video game discussion area
One thing I hate about the single player experience of this game is you can't play the game in patch day because it totally breaks the inmersion seeing dozens of players waiting in front of the quest givers NPCs
I hate that the single player locks all the multi player activities.
So when a new patch comes out I cant just do the multiplayer stuff first, I have to do the single player, even if I cant be fricked at the moment.
I do all the single player, but I'm not always in the mood for it.
yes, im pretty sure there are many players that want to skip to endgame BUT that doesn't mean they want to skip the story.
They really need to think a way for that, it was okay the MSQ being mandatory with a few expansions but now is
>ARR-HW-SB-ShB-EW-DT
You can't attract new players telling them they need to beat all of that under a sub (even if they give you a free trial with two expansions)
Once Stormblood came out, it should have been time to rethink things. At least Dawntrail is supposed to be the start of a new story. So, in theory it should be easy to just skip everything else and not be lost. They should really push from now on to make each expansion have a self contained story.
Also this affects the whole system, a new player watches the new job trailer and says "oh i want to be that", then you tell them the job unlocks at level 80 When it doesn't make sense because the job is not more complicated than others.
They should really just make it so the jobs unlock at whatever level you accept the initial quest at. I think having them start at 30 is fine if they want to avoid the job crystal nonsense, and I think having them start at high levels to cut down on grinding is great, too, but it's dumb that you can buy the latest expansion and have something as core as a playable job be locked behind 2-4 expansions
I cleared my first EX and it was EX Golbez at that
I kind of dont want to do savage raids now.. they look so, so much more troublesome. Especially with pf.
They definately can be, but they can also be pretty rewarding to master.
You missed the boat for pf though, all the competent players cleared a while ago.
I played ARR and thought it was okay, but quickly got a tad bored of the story quests after it and stopped playing. Keep telling myself I'll go back but haven't had the motivation despite people telling me the expacs are great.
The actual gameplay is kind of boring, I only really was enjoying the story and playing dressup with my character. Itemization all felt like flat "this is better" stat sticks where you'd only grind for them if you like the way they look.
Shut the frick up Barry. Xiv is the best mmo in the world.
The gameplay gets better as you level up. Even some of the story primals towards the later end of the story still give groups some trouble with how fast paced they can get.
But with each expansion comes more story you fall behind in, and a higher skill speed number you need to escape the 2.5 GCD. Monk used to be really fun fairly early in the game, but instead of letting skill speed cap in Heavensward, they've insisted on just stretching out the curve, making Monk slow up until level 90. They're making the game worse and worse on new players.
I was lucky I don't remember how tedious and mind-numbing ARR to HW MSQ was. Friends I used to play WoW, Lineage 2, Rising Force, Neverwinter and SWtor wanted to start but both gave up around 40something level. I even started a new job to be on their levels to do stuff together but most of the time I was just waiting for them to finish msq and unlock a dungeon or something... I don't think I could replay the whole thing even if you paid me (unless it's an astronomical amount of money)...
>Itemization all felt like flat "this is better" stat sticks where you'd only grind for them if you like the way they look.
It basically doesn't exist anymore.
We're getting more Eureka kino in 7.0 so that will satisfy my grind autism in XIV when I'm done with other things for the week.
I just hope its finds a balance between Eureka and Bozja and acutally fully fleshes out.
Can't wait. Before EW I thought island could be fun and boy how wrong I was
I honestly don't mind the linear itemization that much but I do wish there was at least some variance with substat decisions. The only reason I play BLM is because I can at least choose between Crit and SpS which is more than you can say for the other jobs.
At this point the only mmo with some sort of itemization is TESO
With Dancer you can sacrifice some crit for Skill Speed. I keep meaning to check if piety makes a difference for healing, but no one bothers because we only get one group heal ability, and it's not really worth the DPS loss to buff.
I don't think Piety even works if you aren't a healer.
Piety only affects MP regeneration
What makes me mad is I cant even do skill speed as a meme on some jobs because some are hybrids between magic and physical.
Never forget
Tanks don't want SkS anymore either because skills like Delirium are on charges now. Hell, even the newest relic doesn't let you pick stats how you want, it's just "max these 2 and put the rest on a 3rd stat". You could max multiple stats on previous relics for the purposes of old content, but you can't do that with EW relics
*cries on live stream over mild criticism*
>Try to play with friends
>Every 5 minutes red text comes up telling me I can't progress with friends and have to break up the party in order to watch a cutscene.
What the frick is this shit?
single player game.
Best mmo on the market right now.
moronic design philosophy where the story quest is to fill your solo time, but also the story has dungeons and trials that you need to do with other players.
>play with friends
stopped believing you right here
>come play with me fren
>you just have to watch hundreds of hours of story first oh and we can't do any of that content together
This is the situation for me and my second wife. We mainly craft and gather together since it'll take her forever to clear the MSQ and she gets overwhelmed by combat anyway.
Yeah it's one of the reasons I dropped it.
>do MSG quests at same time
>just sitting there reading/watching cutscenes on our own
>only get to play together when a dungeon pops up finally
Pure moronation, is what it is.
Does XI or any other mmo have a decent story at least? Itching to try a new mmo after I finish getting my bis in XIV
XI has one of the best story alongside with GW1, secret world and as I heard from some anons Tortanic in mmo
FFXI's final storyline gets very meta and pretty amusing. It's honestly worth it for that aspect alone.
When are one handed wands going to get completely removed from the game?
Never because they want to maintain continuity if someone played 1.0 and logged off with one equipped but hasn’t started 2.0 yet
It would also enrage players that still have them, even though they're useless.
I know one of my retainers has a bunch of literally useless 1.0 shit. Never played a caster back then so no wands though
I probably desynthesized any 1.0 items I had, which is a shame because they would be novel glamours, assuming they even work.
>muh grindy map where you fight the same mobs in a small area on repeat was the best content ever i'm sad that it still exists but is fully optional
I want WoW homosexuals gone.
Eureka was based. Stay fricking mad.
Unlike you i've actually played that piece of shit before it was heavily nerfed to cater to WoWfugees who'd whine about it if they played the real deal.
I was talking about FATES anyway.
>i want to afk in limsa with other basic b***h catgirls
Good for you?
>You will never again farm single monsters 5 or 10 elemental level about you for exp ever again and talk about anything with your group while doing it
I miss it
Light dragon farming was a close second too
>people haven't had a good thing to say about Eureka ever
>wow players come in and suddenly every post on here is "reee why isn't the entire game like eureka/1.0 I would totally pay a sub for a bad wow clone no I don't play XI why would I"
This is some supreme cope.
Expecting wow players to stay after being catered to is the only cope here.