Is it worth to build a PC by yourself?
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depends on how much you get paid for it
>OMG.........Henry Cavil........... he's just like me!!!.......................................
Get cancer israelite slave.
I am literally him but 19 years younger
>we want the reddit audience
YOU'RE BREATHTAKING!
I built my first PC a couple years ago and it was an interesting afternoon.
Sure just stay at 1080p
Everything takes way to much memory even at 1440p
>16gb becoming the new recommended specs for games
RAM is cheap. GPUs are what break the bank. At 1080p you can still get away with spending <$300 each console gen
1440p is the sweet spot, 1080p looks like garbage after 1440p. 1440p looks even better if you downscale from 4k the games that you can handle at that res with cheap 1440p GPU
How do I pick out a good 1440p monitor? What should I consider (beyond like USB slots on the back)?
just get any 27 inch ips screen with freesync/gsync and a 144hz+ refresh rate.
Budget? Just get some dell 1440p one
Low latency? Look for 1ms response time ones and VRR support
High refresh rate? Go for 144hz ones
Want absolute best? Oled
If you want to also care about the I/O slightly, then get one with Displayport or USB-C output instead of HDMI
bought my 27 inch, 144hz for 260 burgers
feels good, man, probably one of my best purchases
>buy a 1440p monitor
>144hz+
>has freesync
>it has this weird ass blur effect on really dark objects
i have no idea what the issue is. it isnt the hz because ive done several tests and its fine but for some reason when theres a really dark object on the screen and any movement it leaves a fricking ghost.
be careful on what you buy
is it va
i tried messing with all of the monitor settings and nothing worked
pic related is what i bought
if you want motion clarity you still have to buy TN, not IPS
benq's 360hz is good, there will be a 540hz within a few months too
just to make sure, you don't mean the effects of local dimming?
I had something similar on my g-sync monitor, I think it was the "motion blue reduction" setting which fricked everything up.
Turning it off fixed it for me.
Ok moron
>4K is the sweet spot, 1440p looks like garbage after 4K.
>8K is the sweet spot, 4K looks like garbage after 8K.
This is what you sound like.
With 4K you need to start scaling shit up as otherwise things will become too small, or your monitor will be humongous. 1440p is pretty much perfect.
>Sure just stay at 1080p
Poorgay cope, 1440p looks much better. 4k is not really worth it for a desktop setup, its only good for big screens
If you want to save the money on the long run.
I bought a pre-built on sale and upgraded the parts as I needed to.
I've done it twice and am probably just going to get it built for me for the next one. Don't want to deal with the stress
>stress
lmao
It's unbelievable, I just built a pc for the first time in my life a few weeks ago. Was easy as shit, stress?
>Build your PC, doing every step correctly
>PC won't POST.
>Look at mobo, and see the VGA light is on
>Try again, the PC boots into BIOS
>BIOS freezes within a few seconds
>Try again, it won't POST; CPU light is on
What would you do?
Cry and shid
ram is fricked or wrong for the cpu, use one stick of ram/switch ram sticks, try again.
Correct, it was a faulty RAM stick. Somehow, when I posted this problem on multiple tech forums, not a single person could identify the problem.
But because the DRAM light never came on, you can understand why no one would suspect a RAM issue.
For someone who couldn't have known this was a RAM issue, you could see why it would be very stressful, thinking that the problem is in the GPU or CPU (based on the mobo lights), trying multiple things to fix the GPU and CPU, only for it to continue to not work.
If PC doesn't post RAM is the first thing you check. That's a rule of thumb, maybe they assumed you already did that?
Why would anyone assume I already tried that?
That's not something that would be self-evident or intuitive.
If the VGA light comes on, and your monitor shows "signal not found", you'll intuitively assume it's a GPU issue.
So you try plugging your monitor into motherboard (integrated GPU), then you get into BIOS but it hangs after 10-30 seconds.
You restart PC and it the motherboard shows CPU light.
So now you assume there's a problem with CPU so you intuitively remove it, check the pins, then reseat it in the socket and try again.
Still not working. Well, the motherboard keeps giving me inconsistent feedback, so perhaps a motherboard issue?
Unplug and reconnect all sockets, making sure everything is nice and snug. Still not working.
Maybe it's a BIOS issue? Reset BIOS with CMOS pins and try again.
Still same issues.
Flash newest BIOS version. Still not working.
Only THEN would someone with no experience try the RAM solution. If the DRAM light on the mobo lit up, then of course most people would try that first, but it never came on.
Because 80% of "why doesn't it post" is a memory issue.
But it did POST sometimes.
But again, how is someone who doesn't have experience supposed to know that? The intuitive thing to do is check the motherboard indicator lights with the assumption that it will tell you what's wrong. In fact, I imagine even an expert would do the same thing because they'd assume the motherboard knows where the issue is.
The difference is that the expert would probably try the RAM solution first purely based on experience, but a layman would simply follow what the indicator lights are saying.
So you can imagine how stressful this could be; you keep following the intuitive troubleshooting path with no solution in sight, until you finally try something that on the surface seems unrelated.
everyone that uses tech forums are moronic indians and people with no actual education in IT but think they're computer savvy.
Cute amphibian.
Same.
Parts ain't cheap and next time I'd rather someone who has done it hundreds of times do a better, more cleaner and presentable job than me who has only done it twice.
What did you do wrong? I build my first PC earlier this year and can’t imagine someone doing a better job or being more careful than I was.
>Stress
Can you change a tire or car battery?
A lot of people will shit on you but you are right.
Last PC I wanted the built cost vs individual parts was $30.
There was easily 30 bucks worth of cable management let alone not having the hassle and getting it delivered with the os ready to go, zero bullshit. So, yeah you are right.
I’ve built most of mine since I was a kid, and while there’s no stress, I can’t be arsed to keep up nor do basic googling or shopping, so I just pay a friend because he’s always informed and actually enjoys the stuff.
Slightly unrelated, but I’ve built 6 computers for myself and never upgraded a single one. By the time I ever tought about upgrading, all the parts were in need of an upgrade, so I just built a new one. So if my friend didn’t choose one for me, I’d probably buy pre-built.
What stress is there besides cable management? You would have to be like a mentally disabled moron to not be able to at least follow a youtube tutorial on how to build your pc.
Not everyone is a genius without mistakes like you. One wrongly socketed component and you can frick up your nice lego session. People make mistakes. Even researching the correct parts to make a build is beyond the average person.
If a little niglet can "invent" a pc a grown ass man browsing hobbyist forums should have no problem with it
The only component that can be socketed badly is cpu with it's pins if you don't do it gently. Otherwise everything you just insert it like lego and secure it by screwdriver with pure cavemen inteligence. But stress is understandable because of hardware value but it's really hard to break something nowadays.
Or RAM. It goes only one way but it's easy to break. And you better use the correct slots. Or the cable on the PS is not fully connected and it wiggles a little while it's powered on.
Tbf, if you line up your RAM with the slot and the notch clearly doesn't line up but you push it in anyway, that's entirely your fault.
You can also break it even if it's in correct alignment. I've seen videos of people not knowing how hard it needs to be pushed in only for their hand to slip and break it to the side. Still better than fricking pins on the mobo but you wouldn't believe how creative some people are.
What stress?
Water tubing related?
Did his computer actually boot? Most actors are completely moronic and usually pay someone else to do everything for them.
built mine in 2019 and its still going strong
only replaced the 2070 with a 3070 Ti which was definitely NOT worth it. Could have waited a few months and paid like half what i actually paid
To ease yourself into building a PC, go to a store where you can pick individual parts and have someone assemble the PC for you, then you can experiment with upgrades and replace the parts yourself later.
They still need the knowledge of which parts work with which first, and there's still choosing the most optimal parts.
the stores that lets you pick parts and assembles it for you will give you suggestions for optimal power draw/parts compatibility based on your needs/CPU/mobo as bases
Or just scam you with suboptimal but overpriced shit you won't need.
why are you living in a low trust society?
Being clueless about computer at a computer shop is just asking to be scammed.
do some research before picking parts then? plenty of resources out there to get you started. Which CPU or GPU is the most bang for your buck, power draw calculator, etc. and let the store fill in the rest
That I did, still hit plenty with "good morning sir, actually this part isn't available right now, would you like to pick this instead". And even after confirming my purchase, I still got hit "good morning sir, the RAM you ordered turns out to be out of stocks. You can wait for several more days until we restock OR you can pick the pricier RAM we conveniently have as replacement instead?".
grim
but ultimately, not my problem. sorry to hear that, anon.
Sounds like bullshit to me pal.
A genuine not big box computer store will get more business not being scumlords and building community trust. If you are Australian east coast use DComp. Good dudes in there.
it's practically legos these days
It was always same degree of lego, maybe except for pentium 1 times when you still had to set clocks on mobo with jumpers. At the same time, it still requires research and care.
You can supposedly pick parts and pay someone to assemble them for pretty cheap nowadays, but IDK if that’s true.
If you want to be a budget PC gamer then you should target 1080p and build it yourself. Buy a good case / PSU / air cooler and you’ll keep them forever. Everything else you’re likely to replace every 4 to 7 years.
my pc is about 11 years old at this point. if i was gonna replace things today according to what you said, what should i get? i5 2500k, 1060 6gb
So assuming we’re talking budget 1080p still, the current (perhaps waning?) stars are the RTX 3060 and the Ryzen 5 3600. The Ryzen 5 is only so much faster than your CPU but you can get it for <$100. The RYX 3060 12 GB hits a nice sweet spot for price/performance and VRAM. Should be <$300. If you want to buy new I would suggest finding out more about the RTX 4060, but be warned that the 40 series has caught a lot of flak for being bad on the “price vs actual value” assessment
that would mean i need a new motherboard too, right
Yeah, probably. That’s the thing with the Ryzen line. I’m not up to date on Intel stuff, sorry.
no thats ok. i asked. my motherboard is practically dead anyway. wont hold a cmos battery for more than 2 weeks without completely draining.
What did you do to it? Or do they not make them like they used to? Pushed it too much?
i dont know. it's asrock and i bought it in 2012. maybe turned it off too abruptly many times. it is ancient now.
You gotta be gentle with your computer. Treat it like a woman, whisper her nice things, read her books, share a drink symbolically. Put clothes onto her, properly cooling ones. Pat her, hug her, kiss her.
I treat my computer like my women, working it like a b***h with zero rest.
she's been nice to me over the years. she's still going but really an i5 2500k with a 12 year old motherboard is getting too old. i'm not in a hurry to replace things because i'm pinching pennies at the moment but it has to happen sometime
RTX4060 is worse and more expensive than RTX3060.
DLSS3
Not widely supported. 4060 also has small VRAM and narrow bus. 3060 is better in every way, maybe it consumes a bit more power and that's it. I personally don't use DLSS in games and I also use my PC for work so 3060 is not only a lot better, it's astronomically better. And it's been tested in the field to last, who knows how Nvidia israeliteed out on the components of 40 series on the lower end. They israeliteed out on their high end cards.
It's not widely supported but it will be, and relatively soon when you consider how quickly DLSS has been adopted in general.
Also if you're buying a low end card like the 3060/4060 you probably aren't upgrading often so you'll come to regret the purchase once more new games drop with framegen and DLSS3.
>dont use DLSS and use PC for work
fair enough. For your average budget gamer the 4060 will age better though.
It won't age better because it has 8GB VRAM and 128bit bus compared to 12GB VRAM and 192bit bus on 3060. Even if you increase the memory it will still age worse because the bus is too narrow. DLSS3 won't save the card in new games where it matters and it won't matter in older games anyway. It's a badly designed card.
>8GB VRAM and 128bit bus
Did you forget we're held back by consoles? PS5 has 16GB of shared system and video memory lol.
But this is about 3060 vs 4060, not consoles. Even then I think the conversation about consoles holding back anything is moronic. The majority of PC gamers have worse specs than a PS5 and the developers aren't going to make games for someone like me when I am in maybe 10% of PC users with my overall specs. We would not have graphical progress without consoles, look at the trash on PCs. Free to play garbage that runs on wooden PCs.
>but this is about 3060 vs 4060
About which card would age better, in particular.
You pointed out the memory bus and Vram would hold it back and I explained why it wouldn't, unless you're using a low end card for 4K its fine, more than fine because of superior AI upscaling.
even dlss on the 2000 series is fine, u sound like a nvidia marketer
>and I explained why it wouldn't
No, you said it won't but didn't say why. Your argument is "my upscale tech will save this card somehow because it can ignore the laws of physics".
>3060
RX 6600 is considerably cheaper and has practically identical performance aside for raytracing.
Not in games and settings that require more than 8GB of vram.
No it doesn't. You get what you pay for.
Search for a guy who have connections, they usually also have cheaper parts
Do you incels own this shit called "xbox"??????
Americans really don't know how to build consoles.
henry has come to see us!
It was pretty fun, kinda like legos. I still use the machine, got a 3060 in it and an i7.
Currently playing:
>Warhammer 40k BattleSector
>Battlebit
>Catherine Full Body (Ryjunix)
yes
It's worth knowing how you've personally put one together if you need to open it up for any reason.
Everyone who plays on PC as their main platform should build their own PC at least once, just so they gain more insight. Even if you decide to never build a PC again, you will at least know what to do if you have to replace / upgrade parts in your prebuilts.
And yeah I would say its economically worth it as well unless you earn more than 100 dollars per hour and consider PC building a chore.
Yes its worth it just so you have a general understanding of whats actually going on with your computer. I had to fix some random 2000's dell pc handmedowns but when I built my own I've never had an issue I didnt sit down and brute force fix or find the part I needed myself.
It's worth $800 to $2,000 last I checked.
>Save you money on games
>Save you money on paying to use your own internet
>Let you do other shit.
You can't rely on capitalists to put in quiet but powerful fans and power supplies that respect a champion's need for silence during moments of intense concentration.
I cannot imagine doing it any other way. I'm not holding any dumb teenager pride in putting a PC together from parts instead of buying one as a whole, but I've seen more than enough prebuilds with cost cuts to ever attempt getting into it. At best, prebuilds have GPU and CPU you want, but then at least one of components around is trash. Sometimes it's a minor issue, like meh ram, sometimes it's an important component like cheapo PSU that will eventually die and take away something important from you. And they're always trying to avoid the topic, listings online always ignore names and models for anything that is not gpu, cpu, and maybe motherboard.
Mobo is also a nice thing to choose on your own, prebuilds tend to put cheapest shit in there, but on long term, owning a good one is a good deal money-wise. I bought x470 mobo alongside first gen Ryzen, upgraded to second gen later, now I have 5600x on the exactly same mobo, all working flawlessly. Sure was nice to upgrade a single component and get all of the perks of the modern CPU. So yeah, other than control, another good reason to put together your own box is awareness - you know what you can do, you know where you can take it, you know what you can upgrade and what would be the gains.
>reading the instructions
Oof, Why doesn’t he just follow a step by step guide on YouTube.
The step I hate the most is applying the thermal paste to the CPU, but it always ends OK.
As someone who didn't get PCs for a long time, how expensive are current top-end builds in comparison to top-ends of 2000-2005?
Way more expensive thanks to inflation and damage from cryptocucks. RAMs and SSDs are getting cheaper but GPU price is still moronic.
I don't know, but the performance/price sweet spot for GPUs used to be just $250-300.
current top-end builds are around $2k-4k
Building a PC was fairly cheap until 2016 when cyptocurrency raised the price of GPU's to scalping level. Luckily every other part is affordable and you do not need the latest graphic card to run games.
what monitor/s you'll be using is what determines the price of your PC now
max settings=
1080p 60Hz = 1.5k $
1080p 144Hz = 2k-2.5k $
1440p 60-144Hz = 2.5k-3k $
4k = 3k-5k $
if you live in the US these prices might be cheaper by as much as 30-40% less btw
Yea those prices are a bit steep in US, you're right about the performance tiers though.
I'm planning a 1440p 60-144Hz upgrade soon and it's gonna be around $1400 after taxes. Granted I'm keeping my existing PSU, case, and storage so from scratch it would be more like $1700-1800.
Of course if you're REALLY starting from scratch you have to tack on the cost of a monitor and kb+m as well.
>max settings=
>1080p 60Hz = 1.5k $
?
Are you crazy?
it's ~~*AAA*~~ gaming on third world prices.
US prices would be 1k max
R5 5600,32GB of ddr4, B550 mobo and a 6700XT is nowhere close to 1500 and depending on your connections it can be under 1000 by a substantial amount.
I paid 1600€ for my PC I built myself. The cost of components in the EU is pretty high. My 3060 cost me 399€ and that was considered a good price at the time.
Is 4k still a meme?
For max settings + 60 FPS + new titles yeah. For less demanding games you can realistically hit that with mid tier cards.
i'm gonna say yeah because i've never seen 4k 144hz gameplay personally and I can barely tolerate 60fps as it is at this point.
I sure love 4k on frick huge oled C2 TV, but most of the time I have to play with DLSS to make it run fine. It's obviously prettier, 4x as much pixels is an objective improvement, but I don't think I'd put highest priority on having that, especially since you need a really, really strong GPU to run this resolution natively. I'd go for a responsive panel, decent HDR (this stuff looks really impressive and eats zero extra processing power), good colors, brightness, and then 4k.
why do you gays act as if it was rocket science? just put the parts where they go, literally fricking legos
Zoomers don't even know about computer folders. PC building look like rocket science to them.
Would you rather listen to others talk about politics and b***h about gays? Let people talk like normal humans when they may.
for most people the expense is significant enough to warrant being anal about it
it’s also possible to cuck yourself by picking the wrong parts and that’s a bummer
>it’s also possible to cuck yourself by picking the wrong parts and that’s a bummer
A website exists called PC Part Picker which will do this for you.
Can someone explain why anuses are used in conjunction to reasoning or perseverance like this, and who was that insipid, mentally impure person that conceived such an ugly notion?
Sigmund Freud. Look up “anal retentiveness”.
Good fricking God.
what you just said is oven more offensive than saying anal retentiveness, you said the lords name in vain
Apologies, it didn't occur to me, I'll keep it in mind. However, it's not actually less offensive, because impure perception of reality may corrupt its situation, such as what one does in it and to whom, what art one makes and so on.
Impure reason steeped in evil creates more evil depending on select agent's state. It's a terrible thing, and when reason is most impure, destruction or evil unto evil are the only ways to combat it.
It's not noticeable to most, much like insults, because they either normalize them, or don't even think about it, so in a way their ignorance and mundanity protects them, but people with mental issues and some neurosis types, and especially so, innocent pure people can notice, and it can leave its mark. I've seen this before, unpleasant.
I fricked up my case sizing on my first go and had to really stretch some wires to make it all work and I think I oriented my fan the wrong way. All came out ok but man I was freaked out for a while there as a newb, plus the standard heart palpitations waiting for that first bios boot
>implying zoomers ever had lego sets
You might be overestimating how intelligent the average person is.
[Intelligence 1] Uhh... uuuuuuhhhh.
>pc is built on a 2012 cpu/mobo
>can't upgrade because old cpu socket
>have to change motherboard
>changing motherboard means changing half of the components
It's easier to build a new one from scratch at this point...
Just put a 4090 in it and play games at 4k.
>4090
not sure if my 650W psu can handle it, also
>cpu bottlenecks
I know, it's just a huge expense to change half of the components at once. Also I haven't been following tech news lately, don't know what's good these days
Well if you go AM4, you only have to change CPU as well. If you go AM5 or new intel platform, then you need new ram sticks as well.
>2012
at that point the socket has served you well enough, just update the mobo anon
If this moron woman from Linus Tech Tips managed to built a PC, so can you
I hate women so much it's unreal
Yes
It's never been so user-friendly and easy to build one. Parts seem to be more reliable, they just werk, plenty of troubleshooting and advice, built-in cable management, modular PSUs, standardized modular cases. It's genuinely very consumer-friendly. Just wait for specials to buy parts.
7800x3d
any b650
any non-china 7900 xt/xtx
>sweet n sour sauce instead of honey mustard
you sicken me
Sweet and sour is the goat
It's really not that complicated, buy the parts and watch a video like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dsZgjeCr4E&ab_channel=OptimumTech
i'm trying to fix an old office pc too. it sometimes wont POST. i bought the gigabyte p450b to try to replace the psu, which is currently no brand trash. is my train of thought good here
if it has proprietary parts then it's just e-waste I'm afraid
it doesnt. it isnt a prebuilt. i do still wanna fix it.
Reseat the RAM and the graphics card.
good luck my boy, this shit can go in most ridiculous directions
>had an issue where mobo would get stuck on initializing GPU
>took everything apart, put it back, at some point was pretty sure it's faulty gpu even though it worked when it worked
>eventually figured it out
>for some reason, connecting USB card reader was causing the issue, pc won't boot if usb card reader is connected
>but reader works fine otherwise, as long as it was not plugged in during boot, it'll operate as intended
it is extremely old too so yeah could be anything.
I have a sound card that refuses to boot in the cold. I have to start the PC, run a GPU stress test to warm the case up, then reboot.
exactly the type of bullshit that makes me opt for prebuilts for gaming computers, i dont want to deal with this kind of shyte when its goooming time. for servers and desktops i sometimes build it myself but when its gooming time i just want it to just werk
I mean, it's not like prebuild would save you from that. if you have same mobo and I'll plant my card reader at your place, you're just as affected, prebuilt or not.
yeah i wouldnt modify a prebuilt. if i needed a card reader id get a prebuilt with a card reader
USB card reader, an external plug in device
Deconstruct it and gradually reconstruct it until you find the faulty part
used to be a lot cheaper than prebuilts but now its not really anymore. if youre just going to use the computer as a gaming console i would recommend buying a prebuilt from a big brand like acer or hp, less risk of having to troubleshoot shit while in the middle of trying to play games
if you want to tinker and like troubleshooting shit then build it urself
Sure, if you love it being filled with malware grade spyware + Norton shyte & are too moronic to format the drive before even booting the OS (which, if you buy HP, you almost certainly are).
>Sure, if you love it being filled with malware grade spyware
you mean windows? hp might have a lot of shit but acer is typically pretty thin on the shitware
Physically building it is rather easy. Shit like flashing the bios is where it gets scary.
Even if you don't, don't ever buy prebuilts. Paying some local nerd to build it for you is better than the horrible shit prebuilts get up to.
Flashing the bios is right in the instruction manual for the motherboard or a YouTube video if you’re scared of a paper manual. You just download the file, drag and drop onto usb drive, rename the file, plug it into the correct usb port on the back of your PC and push the button.
Does prebuilts have the same issues as phones?
Where they installed useless bloatwares from their company, and sometimes you're not even allowed to delete them too.
>Does prebuilts have the same issues as phones?
Yeah. They also always skimp out on components, one way or another. So even if the specs look great on paper, it will never be as good as one you build yourself.
>bloat
Depending on the MB it can be shockingly simple. However listening to it click and power up and down while crossing your fingers the power doesn't fail is scary.
i forgot to ask. since no brand psus are really cheap and really bad, what psus are the next step above that? the kind you can use for office pcs but dont need too much out of? the pc doesnt even have a gpu.
I personally have had my past 4 builds made for me purely because it results in gainful employment and puts food on the table for the PC builder
Absolutely.
Wanting to upgrade to a 2tb hard drive. Don't even really care if it is SSD or optical honestly. I'm not doing much heavy lifting. Aside from the GPU anything else need refreshed here for a generic mid range gaming pc/porn harvester?
Upgrading to 500GB ssd and to 16GB of dual channel ram would do wonders for you and its cheap.
Later on you can replace that 1060 3GB with any middle tier new gpu and have almost no bottleneck. Like you are wasting that i7 so much in this configuration.
Building my PC was very stressful. Turning it on for the first time and seeing orange led on the motherboard for 30 seconds with a black screen before it went to BIOS because I missed the small print in its manual about first time boot taking time to set itself was "OH NO FRICK" moment. Going to BIOS to set correct voltages etc., not fun. But I love my PC.
My first PC didn't have any issues but it was still very stressful to build since computers are pretty expensive. I spent an hour or two putting the damn thing together and I was so worried the whole time that something would go wrong. When I had to get a new PC I just decided to just buy a pre-built for 100$ more than it would've cost me to just build it myself
>gtx760
>i5 grandpa
Frick, i want to upgrade but i alreqdy know i will only browse youtube and play ancient games. It aint worth it
>built my own PC
>didn't get FREE Ciri dicky
what's the point then
I feel like building a PC in 2023 is a waste of money. Modern games are awful and certainly not worth a thousand dollars or whatever budget you have.
My laptop is a business Dell from 2013, and with 16 gigs of RAM + a SSD it's more than sufficient to play games up to 2010 and it barely cost me $150.
I just think you're wasting your money. You don't need 4k. You don't even need 1080p. 1280x720 is more than enough.
Same with framerates. 144 is excessive. 60fps is a luxury that adds unnecessary wear and tear. 30fps is perfectly playable
And if you truly must play modern slop, I'm sure a used PS4 can't be more than $200
i wanna make my computer generate AI stuff too, and my old pc is kinda slow to do that. like im sure if i upgraded maybe it can expedite the process a bit
I disagree. Even emulating PS2 games can be taxing if you want them to look good. It's nice you can play something on PS3 standards but I cannot play it if it's not 1080p/60fps.
>I feel like building a PC in 2023 is a waste of money. Modern games are awful and certainly not worth a thousand dollars or whatever budget you have.
Real. I have a 3080ti and only use it for old games
>You don't need 4k. You don't even need 1080p. 1280x720 is more than enough.
Same with framerates. 144 is excessive. 60fps is a luxury that adds unnecessary wear and tear. 30fps is perfectly playable
poorgay cope. Old games at 4K 120FPS is wonderful and absolutely worth it
There's a lot of modern vidya to enjoy. VR is insanely fun, but it requires beefy components, some of modern flat stuff is fun (KCD, recent BG3), and 60fps feels like what 30fps feels for you once you get used to 120+ and it absolutely improves overall experience. I used to feel like I wasted my money when I bought 3080ti because all I was playing was bannerlord that ran fine on gtx770, but looking at everything I played through in recent years, I can't lie: it sure was a great choice to buy it.
I won't switch to 120fps because some of my favorite games don't even support it. I don't want to be spoiled and then hate some games because they run at 60 max before they break down.
It's like thirty eurobucks extra in my computer store and they'll build and test it for you. I think it's worth the price.
I bought a 3060 and I can't get this new build to successfully boot up, it flashes for a second when it powers on but that's it, how fricked am I? This is my third build so I'm not sure what's happening, can't post pics now, maybe tomorrow after work
is cpu cooler power connected to motherboard
yes, the power is connected to it I'm not that moronic, it's a 600 bronze I bought a few years ago never used, at this point I might hit up a local tech shop and see if anyone else can help me, not even the guy I usually go to can't figure it out
Try to boot without the card, then with only one RAM stick or the other, check if the cooler is jacked into the CPU socket. Consult your motherboard manual for error codes.
Will try this again next time I'm off, I have a 2 day break this Thursday and Friday, wish me luck, will probably make a thread if I'm desperate enough if anyone cares
What the other anons said, plus it never hurts to try reseating the GPU.
I don't think it's much of a thing these days but in the past I've some mobos default to onboard graphics, which required booting first with the monitor plugged into the mobo rather than the GPU so I could switch the BIOS to PCIE graphics.
That was the exact issue my first PC build had, I'll try that again, I swear if it's something more basic I fricked up or forgot I'm gonna be pissed
what if im troubleshooting an office pc that doesnt have a gpu
Well on a PC without a GPU you won't need to switch it to PCIE graphics. If it's stuck on PCIE graphics after removing a GPU just clear the CMOS.
If that doesn't do it and you're sure everything is connected properly you have to start testing RAM with one stick at a time and then swap the PSU and CPU to figure out which component is bad.
i already bought a new PSU and looking to replace it if its that. i repasted the cpu already so maybe it isnt that. when it works it works. im only really fixing this computer as a favor but i would really hope i dont have to replace the cpu.
Depends on your personality and how moronic you are. I built my first one at 14 back before youtube existed and have built 7 or 8 since then. I enjoy the process and would build them more often if I could afford it.
Even if money was no issue I would rather know every piece of my own machine.
>5600x
>3070 8GB
What do I need to upgrade to if I want to get at least 2x overall performance of my current build?
Depends on what you want to do with it. If it's strictly for gaming you'd be better off buying a console.
Gonna build a Mini ITX one this time. Gonna build it as small cool and quiet as I can without giving up too much performance.
>new build but with old case
>mix up old and new screws while mounting mobo
>it is now permanently stuck to the case
>later realize i forgot to add backpanel
>have to twist it to place with pliers from behind the case since the mobo is stuck
Because it was my 3 build I thought I could just wing it without care and this is the end result. Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer, truly.
>it is now permanently stuck to the case
But how? Can't you unscrew it?
The standoff screws which sit between the case and mobo got their threads fricked meaning that you try to unscrew they spin in place but won't come loose.
The difference was very slight, I only realized that I used the wrong screws when I carefully examined the leftover screws to the threads in the case.
The male threads of the standoff are spinning freely? You should be able to just apply pressure to the screw from the backto get the threads to bite, and remove the standoffs from the case with mobo attached. Just gotta turn each standoff a little at a time so you don't flex the board.
Granted the correct standoffs might not go in after you fricked the female threads of the case, but the mobo can be removed if needed at least.
Why can't you remove the screws? Every standoff screw I've ever used has been the same. Even if the two you had were threaded differently, how did you manage to screw them in with mismatched threads?
i built a pc a few months ago and wow it is still moronic in some ways
>USB 3.0 motherboard connector is still a disaster
>there's no ethernet or wifi drivers built into windows11 official microsoft .iso and didn't come with my motherboard, yet win11 officially requires internet access to even boot into the OS for the first time (had to bypass it with an obscure command line command found via google)
>power supply shrouds, a feature that exists purely to make installing components more difficult
>windows 11
I hope that your pc get bricked
building a pc: the glue eater's perspective
the smartest man in history could not make any of that different unless he has psychic powers that re-mold the USB3.0 mobo header
>there's no ethernet or wifi drivers built into windows11 official microsoft .iso and didn't come with my motherboard
I don't get this. HEY DUDE LET ME INSTALL ASUS MEGAGIGAEXPERIENCEAURA DO YOU WANT NORTON HEY I HAVE REALTEK DRIVER FOR YOU but no fricking driver for your own fricking motherboard. They literally take their time to put their bloatware on the mobo but no actual helpful software.
its because they do it as a feature for their top-end mobos (include a USB stick with drivers)
which means it had to be removed from mid-end and low-end
like error codes
>buy 240€ mobo
>here is your bloatware do you rike it? but we cheap out on 4€ USB
Neat.
brehs i bought a big square of phase change material for my PC and it's so good
same shit nvidia uses on its reference GPUs this gen
after you bake it in for an hour it's almost as good as liquid metal and never dries out like paste
Yes. It'll become the best system you can ever have.
whats your opinion on using the Steam Deck as a desktop
Its inferior to new mini pcs with that new amd apu that is releasing in a couple months.
When its released you can have like a 12 core cpu and 6700 tier gpu in a computer the size of a standard PSU maybe even smaller.
Fat
If you know what you are doing and have the money: yes.
Can do a couple nice things like getting quality silent fans with fitting case, not mixing good stuff with cheap ones like some builds have and get everything to your preference.
I will never get this high horse "YOU HAVE TO BE A FRICKING moron TO NOT BUILD YOUR PC YOURSELF IT'S LITERALY LEGOKEKS FOR ADULTS" bullshit. I'm not good with building hardware, so I get it done and tested at the store I buy my parts for like 30 bucks.
I am good at many other things, building computers is not one of them. If you're not good at things I'm good I'm not going to call you a moron.
This is why no one likes you.
It's not like buying a prebuilt instead of doing your own research and choosing the parts yourself, there's even less of an excuse for that.
buying a big brand prebuilt comes with some benefits, like a smaller likelyhood of undocumented hardware incompatibilities, the fact that there are tens of thousands with the exact same hardware configuration is a good thing. and also sometimes its cheaper since the big boys get cheaper gpus
~~*Hollywood*~~ manufactured geekism.
It’s cheaper, or it was before covid. I made my pc right before the coof was anything but speculation and the news started fear mongering and all the parts were half the price they were about a month after the lockdowns. I’m guessing they’ve all dropped back down in price now though
Yes. You'll always get scammed one way or another if you buy a prebuilt, but less so if you get everything separately and assemble a PC by yourself.
Why the hell would I build it myself? I choose the parts and pay the people that do this routinely to put said parts in and make it all work. If I can pay for the components, I can afford an extra 100 dollars to make it work the way it's supposes to work.
it's a fun and rewarding experience and you'll save those 100 bucks.
But if you really don't want to build, your solution is a good middle ground. Just avoid the prebuilts like the plague
I say yes but i am very comfy doing it since i was always troubleshooting something as i was poor when i was kid. But the experience worth it i am pretty sure i could open bussines doing just that and have great time.
I didn't expect to, but I really enjoyed the experience.
>put together pc, its easy like lego
>woman reaction: WOW YOU BUILT A COMPUTER YOU MUST BE REALLY SMART HUH
>gets blowjob
simple as
Real. When I mention I have 13600k and I pasted it myself before mounting on AIO they get wet and can barely even moan "great taste" before they surrender to me.
labor is really cheap in this third world shithole that they will assemble your pc for free if you buy the parts from them
I bought a cheaper gayming laptop with a 4060 recently and seeing the state of gaming, I think it's more than enough
>4060
*4050
Well Yeah I am aware it's not as good as a desktop gpu, but it's an upgrade compared to my old laptop with a 1660ti that was just a slightly better GTX 1060 in reality.
The best way especially on a legit £2k rig is to:
>buy the parts
>take them to a shop to build it for like, £100
I've already dumped 3k on it.
>allowing some wagecuck to touch your components and handle the assembly as some routine prebuilt office computer for clueless normalgays
Definitely not the best.
Mid perhpas.
Yes, especially when dedicated PC shops over warranties meaning if they frick up, liability is on them.
>order parts seperately from various stores
>give local hardware shop 15 burgers to assembly it for me
wow so hard
only if you have these muscles
Anyone got a link where I can buy a full tower case like this? I love my current one, but its starting to break in some areas. I'd love to have a new one.
That's a fricking George Floyd box. I can't breaf, said his GPU.
laptops are better choice imho
why would you even splurge thousands on le mouse, le keyboard, le monitor and le box with chink garbage when you can have all of it in a small 90 degree 3000 thousand times folded LAP_TOP?
>prebuilt gypsy or dyi disaster
sounds like gender bio on xwitter lmao
Man I still have a 3080ti fe dead stock because I'm too lazy to build a PC. I'd upgrade my 1080 but my CPU is basically shit (i5 6600k) and my mobo only supports up to i7 770k
It took me a whole day to build my PC
Mine's been great, need a new part I just buy one. I chose a moronic case though.
Yes, it's also cheaper and it's not hard unless you're a literal moron.
The second man to invent the computer.