Is it wrong to love formerly evil women?

>it doesn't matter that I acknowledged she's still a sex demon with her demonic sex abilities intact

She's not an Azata because Azatas are a race. Her race becomes Redeemed Succubus, meaning she's still a demon but isn't evil.

Azatas are a single race with there being variations so even if one is a Lamia it would still be classed as an Azata just like the more human looking ones. Same with Demons, Succubi are a type of Demon therefore because Arue is a Redeemed Succ she is still a demon, if she became an Azata her race would've changed to reflect this.

Are you? Succubi are demons, not Azata. Arue is a redeemed Succ meaning she is literally still a demon.

Targona? She's still an Angel with demon taint spliced into her by Areelu.

She is a Redeemed Succubus, and thus still a demon.

THAT SHE CAN CHANGE THE SIZE OF HER PUSS WITH HER SUCCUBUS(DEMON) POWERS

Isn't every romance option used goods? Like I'm pretty sure all the options have taken dick or laid pipes. they're all prostitutes

I wasn't arguing at all, I was memeing with the pajeet because she said she was redeemed

Only time I tried to sacrifice someone was Daeran. That was a mistake.

lol

Funny, but it's actually easy asf to do legit . You just need to choose the right dialogue while talking to wendaug and pass a few perception checks and she becomes as close to a trad wife as a Mongrel can. Literally made for angel dick

You retain your alignment

You have to forgive her for violently murdering Dyra for one thing. A lawful character would never do that. Cope all you like about romancing her on a technicality, it's still moronic.

They very well could. Let me introduce you to a concept called roleplaying

At least they can make actual choices instead of mindlessly selecting whatever aligns to the morality they chose at character creation. It takes a lot to drift alignment in these games without relying on a mythic path to instantly switch you

Paladins falling was always the sign og a shit dm or crappies player. So it is a surprise owlcat makes it so difficult to fall

Unless it's against a gnome. Besides regil. Every gnome player I've encountered in dnd or pathfinder has been fricking insufferable

By actually playing a character instead of mindlessly clicking on whatever text has X alignment beside it like a bot?

Why? You'd need to make like over a dozen consecutive choices opposite of your stated alignment without making a single choice in favor of it to even shift it to neutral if you start on either side of the chart.

Alignment has always been moronic in the ttrpg, to be entirely fair.

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>w-well, alignment was always shit anyway!
Cope

it's not that the system is shit
its implementation in the game is lacking to say the least
I don't mind it in pnp

You have to forgive her for violently murdering Dyra for one thing. A lawful character would never do that. Cope all you like about romancing her on a technicality, it's still moronic.

You just need to choose the right dialogue while talking to wendaug and pass a few perception checks and she becomes as close to a trad wife as a Mongrel can. Literally made for angel dick

You retain your alignment

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They very well could. Let me introduce you to a concept called roleplaying

>You retain your alignment

What level of cognitive dissonance is this? No. An Angel will NEVER romance Wenduang.
She's a cannibal, who slaughters and sacrifices her OWN PEOPLE to demons. She LIES and SLANDERS Lann's name so she can avoid taking accountability for her crimes. You take her to the surface, and she guts YOUR men under you for talking shit. You reach act 3 and she MURDERS an innocent women.
I literally do not understand you wendu subhumans who romance her with good aligned characters.

By actually playing a character instead of mindlessly clicking on whatever text has X alignment beside it like a bot?

You're not roleplaying. A good character isn't going to forgive or romance a demon worshipping, kinslaying, treacherous, lying, cannibal

My good aligned character did. Redemption is something good and lawful characters often seek to deliver to the wicked. It's almost like there is an entire mythic path and party member who embody the forgiving aspect of good, ya narrow minded autist

Maybe try to actually play a character next time instead of only choosing options that align to your morality

That's just your interpretation, bro. That's the joy of roleplaying. You should try it
sometime

>My good aligned character did.
You're not roleplaying
>Good characters protect innocent life
>Good implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of other sentient beings
If you protect and romance a demon worshipping kinslayer and cannibal, you are not good.
>Maybe try to actually play a character next time instead of only choosing options that align to your morality
I do that. The one who has trouble roleplaying here is you. Because no good character would do what your character is doing

Thanks for continuing to prove my point. Someday you'll learn how to actually roleplay, instead of just clicking whatever has good plastered next to it, champ

>These are traits that should HORRIFY your good character

But see here's the thing. He's my character. So what he feels and how he acts is up to me. Is the basic concept of playing a role beyond static alignment so difficult for you to grasp?

My character is simply too righteous to not forgive her. Sorry he has depths beyond [lawful good] dialogue boxes.

you're not roleplaying, see

see
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>good paladin
>her
>evil cleric
>him
lol, lmao even

My character is simply too righteous to not forgive her. Sorry he has depths beyond [lawful good] dialogue boxes.

>Maybe try to actually play a character next time instead of only choosing options that align to your morality
That is quite literally how you roleplay in this circumstance. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You have more options than just alignment ones to flesh out your character's personality or beliefs. And there's nothing wrong with picking the occasional options that isn't of your alignment. But what you're suggesting is going against EVERYTHING you're alignment stands for to romance someone. That isn't roleplaying it's just moronation.

No they're not, see

>Redemption is something good and lawful characters often seek to deliver to the wicked. It's almost like there is an entire mythic path and party member who embody the forgiving aspect of good
Too bad that this doesn't apply to a cartoon villain that gleefully tells you how she betrayed her own people, how she was planning on killing you, and how she plans on turning her people into a bunch of crazy demon-like cannibals, nevermind what she does later in her romance
Even a fricking Shelyn worshipper Sosiel has to force himself not to kill a completely unrepentant necromancer and has no problem with you killing him, moron. And even if you played a low IQ Shelyn worshipper, you STILL have to screw over Lann.
You're a special kind of moron, even by waifugay standards

Each alignment has actions that they'll never take.
A good aligned man is never going to rape a woman, ever. If he does, he's immediately evil.
A chaotic aligned man is never going a brutal dictator who upholds a harsh set of laws. If he does, he's lawful now.
An evil man isn't going to put on tights and a cape and dedicate his life to saving people. If he does, he's good now.

See where I'm going with this, moron?
If your character stands with Wendu, then he is sanctioning a cannibal, kinslayer, demon worshipper who brutally butchers innocent people. Your character is also lying on a righteous man to recruit her. Combine these factors and your character is no longer good. His actions aren't altruistic, noble, or righteous. They're evil, self-centered, and cruel. And that makes you EVIL

>Maybe try to actually play a character next time instead of only choosing options that align to your morality
Stop trying to sound reasonable by repeating this, moron. A good character promising to kill Minagho and insulting her during the prologue is exactly the kind of dialogue choice you can pick just fine, even if it's technically evil.
There is a pretty big difference between that and your character giving Wenduag a free pass because you're fricking her, or worse still outright going around killing innocent people.

see

Each alignment has actions that they'll never take.
A good aligned man is never going to rape a woman, ever. If he does, he's immediately evil.
A chaotic aligned man is never going a brutal dictator who upholds a harsh set of laws. If he does, he's lawful now.
An evil man isn't going to put on tights and a cape and dedicate his life to saving people. If he does, he's good now.

See where I'm going with this, moron?
If your character stands with Wendu, then he is sanctioning a cannibal, kinslayer, demon worshipper who brutally butchers innocent people. Your character is also lying on a righteous man to recruit her. Combine these factors and your character is no longer good. His actions aren't altruistic, noble, or righteous. They're evil, self-centered, and cruel. And that makes you EVIL

You have more options than just alignment ones to flesh out your character's personality or beliefs. And there's nothing wrong with picking the occasional options that isn't of your alignment. But what you're suggesting is going against EVERYTHING you're alignment stands for to romance someone. That isn't roleplaying it's just moronation.

A lawful good character would not take Wenduag with them over Lann. That's basically all that really needs to be said. Everything else you try to use as argument is predicated upon the outlandish and frankly moronic idea a lawful good character would take a cannibal, kinslayer, murderer and demon worshiper who intended to feed you to her master into their party. OVER, I might add, a person that until that point was nothing but kind, helpful and principled and even came to help you out against Wenduags master if you foolishly bought into her lies and had her guide you through her 2nd home.

You are the one who needs to actually play a character properly, because you're literally arguing from the point of "I want to frick the spider and the rest be damned". You're applying meta knowledge to post-hoc justify yourself.

At the end of the day, outside of Chaotic Neutral and the Evil alignments (with a big questionmark over LE, frankly), nobody would take Wenduag along. Doubly so if they do not have meta knowledge.

>Wenduag didn't kill innocent people
Oh you're right, she didn't kill them, she just tricked them so they would be forced to do a ritual that would either turn them into crazy cannibals or (most likely) would fricking KILL them! Totally nothing wrong with that at all
moron

If they refuse they're literally fricking killed, you see this in the prologue.

Because Wenduag tricked them, yes.

>If you're stupid you deserve to die
Wenduag is first on the chopping block

>Wenduag didn't kill innocent people,
Wendu led people from her tribe -- some of which were literal children -- to the shield maze, where they were forced to feast on flesh. Those who resisted were cut down. And those who feasted on the flesh had a high chance of going insane. Wendu knew this, and she did it anyway.
Wendu goes to the surface, and the first thing she does is butcher CRUSADERS, in a time where your numbers are already thin and morale is at an all time low.
Then in Act 3, Wendu MURDERS Dyra, simply because Dyra knows how much of a despicable

>and it's perfectly reasonable for my Lawful Good Angel of Salvation to pick her
piece of shit Wendu is.
No, it isn't. See

A Lawful Good character:
>tells the TRUTH
>" combines a COMMITMENT to oppose evil"
>"HATES to see the GUILTY go UNPUNISHED"
>"fights evil WITHOUT mercy"

Literally incompatible with Wenduag's personality. Bringing Wendu into your party would instantly drop you to an evil alignment if this were the tabletop.

A Lawful Good character does not lie, especially not for something as trivial. Your "Lawful Good" character is LYING on an innocent man, so that he can simp for a demon worshipping kinslayer and cannibal.
A Lawful Good character opposes evil. Your character is upholding evil by protecting Wendu and sheltering her from punishment for her actions.
A Lawful Good character hates to see the guilty go unpunished. Your character is actively taking actions to help the guilty get away with their crime...MULTILE TIMES
A Lawful Good character shows no mercy to evil. Your character literally let evil into his bed so that it can ride his wiener.
You are neither Good, nor Lawful.

He clearly he isn't, because your moronation is affecting him, and I don't blame him

She's a woman, so of course she's evil

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one of your two choices of companion is a ranged Monk who multiattack rips apart the early game. Zen archer archetype. But base or one of the other archetypes should be able to coexist without overlap if you choose them and not the other character

bros, can you at least read the question...

It really depends on your build. Monk is basically your only choice for unarmed fighting and the way the class works means the feats are pretty clear. Unless you take trap options like catch arrow

is there a benefit for taking multiple styles?

You can switch between them, they do not stack

Then you don't get to run an unarmed build

Because he knows how to roleplay beyond his alignment.

Regil is a great example of lawful evil though, you wendusimp

Sorry, bro, I don't make the rules. If you wanna play an unarmed martial, then you have to roll monk

Reddit
Go back

Just roleplay and build towards it. Multi class if you Need to. They did make a hybrid brawler class, but it isn't in the game

people forget that both lann and wendu are young and stupid
both of their questlines are basically tardwrangling a moody teenager

CNchad here, I don't pick her, she outright tells you that she was planning on getting you killed while boasting about how she betrayed Hosilla, who's to say you won't be next? She's a walking redflag.

>A good character isn't going to forgive or romance a demon worshipping, kinslaying, treacherous, lying, cannibal
Best boy would.

you either didn't get his character at all or pretending to on purpose

No. She has mythic levels. He'd get sweeped. Unfortunately

lol

I romanced Wenduag as LG, and you don't have to pick an [Evil] option once. Off the top of my head, there's one "required" evil dialogue choice to get a respect point that prevents her from betraying you. But that doesn't matter, because if you're romancing her, she automatically won't betray you and you bypass the need for respect points anyway. On top of that, any character of any alignment can pick opposing choices; it takes a handful to actually shift your alignment.

Shhh don't tell the autists that

>On top of that, any character of any alignment can pick opposing choices; it takes a handful to actually shift your alignment
Exactly the kind of moronation only a waifugay, a Wenduaggay at that, would say

see

A lawful good character would not take Wenduag with them over Lann. That's basically all that really needs to be said. Everything else you try to use as argument is predicated upon the outlandish and frankly moronic idea a lawful good character would take a cannibal, kinslayer, murderer and demon worshiper who intended to feed you to her master into their party. OVER, I might add, a person that until that point was nothing but kind, helpful and principled and even came to help you out against Wenduags master if you foolishly bought into her lies and had her guide you through her 2nd home.

You are the one who needs to actually play a character properly, because you're literally arguing from the point of "I want to frick the spider and the rest be damned". You're applying meta knowledge to post-hoc justify yourself.

At the end of the day, outside of Chaotic Neutral and the Evil alignments (with a big questionmark over LE, frankly), nobody would take Wenduag along. Doubly so if they do not have meta knowledge.

>Maybe try to actually play a character next time instead of only choosing options that align to your morality
Stop trying to sound reasonable by repeating this, moron. A good character promising to kill Minagho and insulting her during the prologue is exactly the kind of dialogue choice you can pick just fine, even if it's technically evil.
There is a pretty big difference between that and your character giving Wenduag a free pass because you're fricking her, or worse still outright going around killing innocent people.

The reasoning for why Wendu does what she does, doesn't matter.
Are you going to stop, and grab every cultist and bandit's sob story, before you decide whether you should execute or spare them?
No. Your character butchers them. The only reason people don't butcher Wendu is because she has a pussy, and they know that if they recruit her, she'll suck their dick.
That's all this comes down to.
Because no Good character is gonna put up with Wendu. It simply doesn't make any sense from a roleplaying standpoint.
Recruiting Wendu means that you are going to lie and slander an innocent man's name.
Recruiting Wendu means letting her get away with the grooming and ritual sacrifice of her own people to demons.
And letting her stay means looking the other way as she butchers THREE innocent people.
Tell me, anon. What righteous man with a GOOD alignment would do this? None.

and most importantly

A Lawful Good character:
>tells the TRUTH
>" combines a COMMITMENT to oppose evil"
>"HATES to see the GUILTY go UNPUNISHED"
>"fights evil WITHOUT mercy"

Literally incompatible with Wenduag's personality. Bringing Wendu into your party would instantly drop you to an evil alignment if this were the tabletop.

You are not roleplaying a good character if you romance or recruit Wendu. End of story. No ifs, ands, or buts.

good is first and foremost about forgiveness and mercy, if you use retribution and punishment first you are lawful neutral aka the king of autism

The hand if inheritors is a simp, so of course he isn't good.

what is the age of consent in mendev?

Rapidly lowering the longer the trickster KC is present

read the comment again illiterate gay. Is about trying forgiveness and mercy at first, if you see there is no repentance than you use retribution and punishment.
You could have killed Arue right on the spot because she's a demon , but you can choose to test her repentance and see if she really changed first (which does happen)

yes because she proved she is good iperson n Greengate, when does Wenduag do that? being a good guy

>And Wenduag regularly shows that she cares about her people
Her very fricking introduction is her gleefully telling you how she tricked her people and turned them into cannibals (and those who didn't suceed fricking died, with her dismissing them as weak)
Holy fricking shit, you people are actually genuinely moronic

>Arue proves she's NOT that great of a person in Greengates,
She quite literally is. She's been feeding intel to the crusades for months before the crusades started. She was so heroic that the demons literally imprisoned her. When you come across her, Desna herself (one of the most good deities in the setting) intervenes, and tells you that you can trust her
>considering she lied and tricked you into helping her kill personal threat.
An objectively evil threat, that she was too weak to kill herself. She only lied because she wasn't sure that you would trust a Succubi. Her actions were pragmatic, yes, but not evil

Wendu is in no way comparable to Arue.

>Arue proves she's NOT that great of a person in Greengates,
She quite literally is. She's been feeding intel to the crusades for months before the crusades started. She was so heroic that the demons literally imprisoned her. When you come across her, Desna herself (one of the most good deities in the setting) intervenes, and tells you that you can trust her
>considering she lied and tricked you into helping her kill personal threat.
An objectively evil threat, that she was too weak to kill herself. She only lied because she wasn't sure that you would trust a Succubi. Her actions were pragmatic, yes, but not evil

Wendu is in no way comparable to Arue.

>And Wenduag regularly shows that she cares about her people
Her very fricking introduction is her gleefully telling you how she tricked her people and turned them into cannibals (and those who didn't suceed fricking died, with her dismissing them as weak)
Holy fricking shit, you people are actually genuinely moronic

Wenduag cries over her dad being turned into a mindless slave and about learning the ignominious origins of the Neathers. She tells both Lann and you she wants to lead her people into becoming a strong, surface-dwelling tribe who can survive even the scorn and hatred of others.

>She tells both Lann and you she wants to lead her people into becoming a strong, surface-dwelling tribe who can survive even the scorn and hatred of others
And she does that by doing

>And Wenduag regularly shows that she cares about her people
Her very fricking introduction is her gleefully telling you how she tricked her people and turned them into cannibals (and those who didn't suceed fricking died, with her dismissing them as weak)
Holy fricking shit, you people are actually genuinely moronic

again if you put lawful first and good later than you can just pick Aeon and be autistic
>comically evil
what's more comically evil than a succubus anon? she could have lied to you from the start like Regill warned you, why did you give her a second chance after hundreds of years of being chaotic evil but not wenduag who just left the underground? because she look better?

>Once again moves on to Arueshalae to cope
The worst thing she does is to lie about her knowledge about the ivory sanctum to kill a hag that was planning on killing her, all due to her trust issues, nevermind that at that point you already know she has been helping the crusade as a mole. Meanwhile Wenduag

But you were forced to let her lie and slander a righteous man's name.
You overlooked her admitting to cannibalism in the prologue.
You overlooked her sacrificing her own people, her family, to demons -- where a vast majority of them died gruesome deaths, but not before being forced into cannibalism
You overlooked her expressing zero remorse for her actions.
You overlooked the fact that she wanted to turn her own people into demonic abominations.
You overlooked her murdering two innocent men in Act 1.
You overlooked her murdering an innocent woman in Act 3.

No good character is going to do this.

Make no mistake, if Arue did half the shit Wenduag does, while feeling absolutely zero remorse just like her, then I would kill her too. Tristian is another good example, he did something terrible, but he actually admits it and is willing to make amends. Miss me with your whataboutism

but she did that and even worse before anon, did you forgot the part where she was a succubus for hundreds of years and did more shit in a decade than wenduag did in her entire life? the shit Arue did as a succubus ruined the life of probably hundreds.
Why can't you be Wenduag's Desna?

Because people play different characters even I'd they have the same alignment. I'm not sure why the concept of actual roleplaying is so difficult to grasp. It might not make sense to you. But for another person it might make sense for the personality they imagine for their KC

You keep showing you don't understand roleplaying beyond the most basic idea of it, especially when you say things "actions they'd never take".

The character you play wouldn't. Another's might. I know autism makes it hard to see from other perspectives but good God.

He wouldn't? Alignment really doesn't come up, ever. I've played in plenty of groups, people play their characters or don't care to roleplay much and I have with dozens of players never had a player or dm chime up to tell anyone in the group they've done something to cause an alignment switch, because alignments are general, a guidelines at best.

The only time it has come up is in VtM games and that's because humanity is an actual mechanic instead of basically just flavor like it is in dnd and pathfinder. And has very clear guidelines for what is a transgression against your morality.

If you aren't actively murder fricking orphans, I guarantee most dms won't make your paladin fall, and the ones that do will be the ones to force them to through some weird trolley problem.

Games are much more casual than you imagine

>merely pretending

>No, he actually plays the game
Not if he's a "Good" character siding with cartoon villains.

>Your strawman are getting worse.
I have yet to use a strawman. I'm simply stating facts. Alignments matter if you're roleplaying. That's why you can't be a Paladin and a villain. That's why you can't be a good guy and a blackguard.

You're not roleplaying.

The answer to all of this shitflinging is simple. "It's what my character would do". That shit might be used as an excuse by shitbirds in actual tabletop groups more often than not, but its the answer to the autist who doesn't get what roleplaying is

>"It's what my character would do".
True. I have no issue what his character is doing. He simply needs to understand that his character is chaotic neutral, chaotic evil, or neutral evil, if he's romancing Wendu.

>army of crusader progeny to do so
No, she offers him a army of people whom she wants to damn and corrupt with demonic magic.
And she's also a cannibal, a liar, a slanderer, a mass murderer, and a psychopath who worships demons

Irrelevant and off topic to the discussion at hand. Stop the whataboutism.

No it didn't, I'm convinced that you're just pretending to believe this because no one is moronic enough to actually think that a good character, let alone a lawful one, would actually want to turn the mongrels into cannibals that are forced to take a fricking demon's poison, frick outta here

Then he's lawful evil, not lawful good

They're more likely to do it than an angel. But I suppose Neutral or Chaotic Evil would be more accurate.

So what, you're going to pretend the other half of my post doesn't exist? A devil wouldn't want that either, they fricking hate demons more than angels

homie no Angel will accept a evil demonic mutant cannibal army. jesus christ are you even sure you are RPing as a LG and not LE

>She's ALREADY a changed person BEFORE you meet her
sound logic, imagine if all the good Gods or Goddesses used this. There would be literally no redemption or forgiveness in existence
>because wendu shows no desire for redemption?
So you think Arue showed up before Desna desiring to be forgiven? lol
She didn't even understood the concept. Yet Desna didn't obliterate her on the spot, she slowly changed her during a long time

>You're not going to LAY with an unrepentant demon worshipping cannibal responsible for the deaths of literal children
Would it be OK if she were a repentant demon worshiping cannibal? Because, you know, Arue . . .

Arue isn't a cannibal again, and she isn't the same person she was, when she did those horrible things. By the time you meet her, she is an entirely different person.
So stop the whataboutism. Because Wendu and Arue are not comparable.

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>Yeah bro, just do what a literal god did!
>he doesn't know
if you did it right you literally become a God in the end of the game anon

and she tried to redeem herself through her actions, now when does Wenduag does that?

>Yeah bro, just do what a literal god did!
>he doesn't know
if you did it right you literally become a God in the end of the game anon

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you're not roleplaying

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Bioware has ruined these souls, let us hold vigil for those who shall never know roleplaying

"Roleplaying" does not mean mindlessly picking the color-coded choices the homosexual devs pick for you. If telling Anevia that _he's unnatural were marked as an evil dialogue choice, would you refrain from picking it as an Angel character?

yes because it's evil and i shall not do any evil

Lann js not a Goodman. He is a mongrelman. Learn the lore. The Goodman aren't a race

Jesus isn't in pathfinder, and Christianity

Cause lann looks like he smells like fish

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Your character maybe. But not mine. That's the joy of roleplaying, but you'll never experience it, all you see are numbers

>That's the joy of roleplaying,
You're not FRICKING ROLEPLAYING. You can't role a fricking Paladin and go around raping and murdering babies. You can't role a chaotic good character who goes around upholding fascist regimens. And you can't role a good character who defends and protects a unrepentant, demon worshipping killer, who slaughters innocents people.
Defending Wendu is a direct contradiction to everything good stands for. This is not debatable.

Based, WenduCHAD!
What are you going to roleplay next?
A Lawful Good Paladin who helps Camellia murder innocent people?
Or maybe you're gonna roleplay a Neutral Good Demon who goes into the abyss and rapes everyone?
Or maybe you're gonna roll a Chaotic Good Azata who rules with an iron fist, as they travel around Golarion suppressing everyone's freedom.
Which will it be, wenduchad?

It wouldnt be markee. Ss evil it'd be chaotic evil so it's clear it's extra naughty.
And no

>If telling Anevia that _he's unnatural were marked as an evil dialogue choice, would you refrain from picking it as an Angel character?
Yes
You're an unnatural abomination, your'e a guy that got experimented on by Areelu and turned into an angel thanks to abyssal energy, trying to call anyone else unnatural as an insult is the absolute peak of irony

Redemption is absolutely a privilege. Even Shelyn worshippers have no problem killing in the heat of combat, can you imagine Sosiel trying to stop every fight against a cultist so he can give them a pep talk? Miss me with that shit

Yeah and also very moronic
Hell Ember already does it, last thing I need is Sosiel doing it too, at least she has the excuse of being elven jesus, not to mention that you can (and should) change her mindset

Frick meant to

>Fricked her son

What did they mean by this

Reply to you

Yes.

I was talking about the random cultists? Also if you choose lann, you can still get a loyal wendaug if you don't immediately recruit her but then she joins so late it really doesn't matter