in gen 5 and 8 it’s mandatory
I actually softlocked myself on bw1. the starters are ugly, patrat’s ugly, lillipup’s ugly, monkeys are ugly. there nothing to use. thank god for bw2 or gen 5 would be unplayable
Thats the camera angle making her look fatter than she actually is you dumbfrick
4 months ago
Anonymous
Dadbod lizard though
4 months ago
Anonymous
such a horrible design
4 months ago
Anonymous
You’re a moron.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus christ the anatomy is so fricking bad even for quadrupedal standards
4 months ago
Anonymous
Looks fine underwater + still has more fans than Megainium
4 months ago
Anonymous
Meganium is a pure quadrupedal animal, Samurott is a hybrid with both quadrupedal and bipedal traits.
4 months ago
Anonymous
So if it can switch between them at will, what’s the problem with the design?
4 months ago
Anonymous
The big difference in going from a bipedal otter to a bipedal/quadrupedal otter hybrid monster.
4 months ago
Anonymous
So it being unexpected but keeping everything threw you off?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, that's how I see it and it is funny how most fanmade Samurott redesigns does worse at keeping everything from the first two forms in the line. But I also like the blue and white scheme Oshawott had which Dewott then ditched.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Pokehomosexuals have shit taste
Woah what a surprise
>I lied, but because I'm salty it's fine. I can say anything I want when I'm mad and it's correct
You have mental health issues, and it makes it not surprising that you threw a fit and quit the game.
4 months ago
Anonymous
nta but dude frick off you autistic frick, go sperg out about squirrels or some other shit. This anon
in gen 5 and 8 it’s mandatory
I actually softlocked myself on bw1. the starters are ugly, patrat’s ugly, lillipup’s ugly, monkeys are ugly. there nothing to use. thank god for bw2 or gen 5 would be unplayable
was very clearly using a clever metaphor (BW1 = shit).
Honestly sometimes I do find the starter kinda limiting in Pokemon.
I've always wanted to use Vileplume or Tentacruel in a Kanto playthrough but I've never gotten around to it because of type overlaps with Venusaur or Blastoise, but I'm also too autistic about sentimentality to just box them.
Maybe one day I will just say frick it and go ham with a Tentacruel - Vileplume - Arcanine team.
Ditching >Gen 1
Weird decision, probably bad on a personal level >Gen 2
moronic decision, bad on a personal level >Gen 3
Either or, starters are good but so is most of the dex, neutral (there is some bias here) >Gen 4
moronic decision, other Pokemon don't come close, bad on a personal level (biased against Sinnoh's encounters) >Gen 5
Either or, starters are reliable but not busted while the dex has plenty of strong or more enjoyable options, neutral option (I'm very biased in favor of Unova however) >Gen 6
Good decision, game hands many strong Pokemon to you throughout the game with minimal effort to obtain, game also gives you a Kanto starter for free, kinda dumb not to box your starter at least once (biased against Kalos for multiple reasons) >Gen 7
Odd decision, starters are decently good here and the dex doesn't offer many good replacements you haven't already seen before, unsure where to put this >Gen 8
Literally rewarded for it, overwhelming amount of replacements in the game both new and old (imo this is the problem with regional dexes with 400+ Pokemon) >Gen 9
Not punished but you also don't gain much from boxing the starter, neutral option
Always thought it was lame npcs and anime characters get almost any first stage mon as a starter if it wasn't a hand-me-down while we're always stuck with the Grass-Fire-Water only available at the beginning.
it's not about that. its just getting through the game with minimal frustrations. Like why use Serperior when your vine whip has to slap something for 20 turns versus another pokemon that sweeps
early to mid game boyjoy. You're going to be slapping things with vine whip or leaf cutter for a good 10 hours against things that are neutral or resistant to Snivvy's attacks
4 months ago
Anonymous
also there isn't contrary Snivvy in gen 5. So you can't even cheat your way through leafstorm spam
>Gen 1
Venusaur, a lot of pieces of official art have Red with Bulbasaur and so does LGPE.
It's also the first entry in the dex in the first ever game so it feels appropriate. >Gen 2
The Cyndaquil line almost seems tailor-made for Ethan, they have the same color scheme. >Gen 3
May gets Torchic, I think Blaziken and May share some superficial design traits that make them go well together (similar color scheme and similar hair style kinda)
But you can't just choose May and pick Torchic, because that would give Brendan Mudkip, and in the official ORAS animation May has both Mudkip and Torchic while Brendan has Treecko, so you actually need to play as Brendan and pick Treecko so May can get Torchic for herself >Gen 4
You pick Turtwig cause Chimchar is the most appropriate choice for Barry, they're once again color coded to match and he's a hotheaded guy who likes bruteforcing things.
I also like to pick Lucas cause that gives Dawn Piplup which is a pretty iconic pairing with the anime. >Gen 5
For B2W2 it's Nate with Tepig like in the trailer.
For BW I feel like Hilda is very commonly associated with Tepig and Hilbert is associated with Oshawott, so for the sake of not reusing starters I go with Hilbert. >Gen 6
Probably the most obvious choice, the protagonists are color coded red and blue, if you play Serena with Fennekin Calem gets Froakie. >Gen 7
This is the first games where I don't actually have a set gender in mind, however the starter obviously has to be Rowlet so that Kukui can get Incineroar.
Rowlet probably pairs better with Selene though. >Gen 8
Again no gender, starter's Cinderace cause like... it's the soccer region and it's the only starter that has a soccer themeing, I feel like Game Freak kinda dropped the ball here lol >Gen 9
This is the only gen that actually has me stumped cause I don't think any of the starters fit Nemona at all, but I think Meowscarada kind of has main character energy over the others? Maybe?
>This is the only gen that actually has me stumped cause I don't think any of the starters fit Nemona at all, but I think Meowscarada kind of has main character energy over the others? Maybe?
I made sure Nemona had Meowscarada as well, and I think her green bangs match as well. And so far she’s had Meowscarada in most supplementary material.
>>Gen 8 >Again no gender, starter's Cinderace cause like... it's the soccer region and it's the only starter that has a soccer themeing, I feel like Game Freak kinda dropped the ball here lol
I have never seen a starter and region fit as much as Galar and Cinderace, the whole region is based on it's tournament style battles, hell even in the official brochure they made for SwSh they point it out lol. I also forgot in the Gotcha MV they were so confused they just gave Cinderace to both Victor and Gloria kek.
IMO every starter could have been a different football position.
Rillaboom could have been a goalie and Inteleon some kind of midfielder while Cinderace can stay as the striker.
Maybe that'd make them too similar but I feel like it'd have been better than one of the three starters being so aggressively more appropriate for the setting than the other two.
Idk James Bond inspired starter also feels appropriate
Drummer gorilla a bit less so but rock music is a big part of English pop culture I guess
4 months ago
Anonymous
The problem with that is the idea that Galar is a representation of England as a whole, but the whole game revolves around football analogs.
Like there's nothing at all related to James Bond outside of Inteleon himself, no side quest where you make a movie or run into like the PI6 or whatever.
In theory Inteleon is an appropriate choice but when you actually look at the game it's just a totally random inclusion.
>This is the first games where I don't actually have a set gender in mind, however the starter obviously has to be Rowlet so that Kukui can get Incineroar. >Rowlet probably pairs better with Selene though.
So you're fine with Hau having Primarina?
Primarina doesn't really go with anyone (outside of the male MC I guess) but Kukui + Incineroar is way stronger of a pair than anything you could give Hau.
>nobody in their right mind would think Turtwig + Rival makes a lick of sense
It makes perfect sense, Barry needs a slow turtle pokemon to learn some patience and grow as a person, plus the starter colours all match their clothes in Platinum
Lucas = Blue coat = Piplup
Dawn = Red coat = Infernape
Barry = Green scarf = Turtwig
4 months ago
Anonymous
Except that throws the cool thing the game actually does with Barry's team out the window - when he realizes he needs to be better and learn to be more patient rather than rushing into things he gets a Munchlax - not only a b***h of an encounter to get on a metatextual sense but also a really slow Pokemon.
If he has Torterra on his team from the start it throws that out the window cause he's been enthusiastically using a slow Pokemon from the start.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Both Heracross and Munchlax are part of the joke for the reason stated but they are also both portrayed as relatively hyperactive Pokemon (though somewhat chill), which obviously fits Pearl/Barry's ethos.
Then it into evolves into Snorlax, which yes is a moral (as well as another joke).
>If he has Torterra on his team from the start it throws that out the window cause he's been enthusiastically using a slow Pokemon from the start.
This.
The key art's never consistent, unless there's a clear bias across multiple pieces or there's some kind of promotional animation that backs it up I don't like guiding myself by it too much.
Holy crap I'm kind of like this as well. I really love using canon teams, but it's hard for me at times. Like in RSE, Mudkip is my favorite starter, but I can't really use him if I wanna go the canon route, because May is associated with Torchic as seen in various promo art and in the anime, while Brendan is associated with Treecko as seen in that ORAS animation. Meanwhile, Mudkip is associated with... Max, an anime only character not even in the games. Also if I chose Mudkip, that would lead to May using Treecko and that just doesn't feel right to me at all, but if I went the canon route and chose Treecko instead, I wouldn't have a lot of other options for water types since they're either hard to obtain (yes I'm looking at YOU, Feebas), or I'm just simply not a fan of them. Like sure I could go with something like a Tentacruel or a Gyarados which are easily obtainable, but I like to use the mons native to the region they're in (I make an exception to Johto since most Johto mons are hard to obtain, and Kanto and Johto are closely related).
>Contrarian
Your underage is showing. Back then this was the majority opinion. It's why it cracks me up when I see current /vp/ shitting so hard on the new designs knowing that in 10 years they'll have to bit their lip watching younger fans say shit like Inteleon is "peak"
There is a bit of a thing in Violet where Skeledirge and the megaman edgelord have complete type overlap. Skeledirge is better obviously but Ceruledge is almost like an unofficial Violet mascot so you might feel a bit of an obligation to them a try
>needing to ditch your starter >needing
That's not a thing. The games aren't that difficult, you can clear every single pokemon gens games with your starter even if they aren't competitively viable.
I had to do it in gen 6.
Replaced froakie with a bidoof.
boxed the KANTOOOOO pander also
Never looked back.
You never really understand how a portion of the gen 6 roster is when you have to use them...
>Gen 1 starters
All kino >Gen 2 starters
All kino >Gen 3 starters
All kino >Gen 4 starters
All kino >Gen 5 starters
Complete shit with the exception of the Serperior line >Gen 6 starters
Complete shit with the exception of the Greninja line >Gen 7
ALL of them are shit this time >Gen 8
All of them are shit >Gen 9
All of them are shit.
Wow, Unova really did cause the irreparable ongoing dark age of this franchise.
>Gen 3 starters >All kino
Haha, no. All dogshit, especially the shitty grass one. >Gen 4 starters >All kino
Haha no. All of them shit except torterra. >Gen 5 starters >Complete shit with the exception of the Serperior line
Haha, no. All of them are steaming dogshit. >Gen 6 starters >Complete shit with the exception of the Greninja line
Haha no. the fox is the only okay one but even then you get a KANTOOOOOOOO Starter so no reason to use it. >Wow, Unova really did cause the irreparable ongoing dark age of this franchise.
This is the truth. It was a steep, sharp drop off a tall cliff from the PEAK of the franchise that was HGSS.
>Gen 1
Good except Charizard >Gen 2
Good except Typhlosion >Gen 3
All good >Gen 4
All good >Gen 5
All good >Gen 6
Good except Delphox >Gen 7
Carried by Incineroar >Gen 8
All bad >Gen 9
Good except Skeledirge
Conclusion: Gens 3-5 are the only ones worth playing
>Is needing to ditch your starter in a pokemon game a good or bad thing?
"NEEDING" because all options are not good in their own region is a bad thing, yes. You shouldn't feel obligated to box your starter because they're bad. All starters should be good and usable in an ideal world. And if one isn't, pick one that is.
For example: I like Meganium, but Meganium is pretty bad, so if you can't handle it, just run Typhlosion or Feraligatr instead.
But boxing your starter because of some self-implemented challenge is fine. Like I once ran a mono-Dark team in Black 2. Picked Tepig and boxed it once I caught a Purrloin, who served as my pseudo-starter.
You never "need" to box your starter because any half moronic child can beat this game with any Pokemon, given enough patience. That being said, there are quite a few starters that aren't optimal choices:
>RBY
Squirtle is good early but as soon as you have access to rods you get a myriad of choices for Water types that outclass Blastoise. Charizard is kinda shit, but at least it doesn't have any real competition from other Fire types. Venusaur is best in type, being the fastest Grass type with Razor Leaf. >GSC
Typhlosion and Feraligatr are beasts in game and don't really get much competition from other mons of their types. Meganium is not nearly as good, but your other choices for Grass types outside of Vileplume/Victreebel are atrocious so it's still worth keeping if you want a Grass type. >RSE
Swampert is straight up one of the best Pokemon in the game, despite being ugly as sin. Treecko line gets outclassed by Lotad and maybe Roselia, and Tropius is an excellent HM slave if you need to have type autism on your team. Hoenn has some good Fire types and excellent Fighting types, so Blaziken is pretty replaceable too. >DPPt
All of the starters are very good in game and if not best in type for a playthrough, then very close. Infernape in particular wrecks shit in these games. >BW/BW2
Snivy suffers from having one of the least satisfying starter movepools in history, and is easily replaced by Lilligant early on. Tepig has a better movepool but has the misfortune of being in the same gen as Darmanitan, which is a downright broken ingame mon. Oshawatt only really faces competition from Basculin, but is otherwise mediocre.
Not gonna bother doing gens 6 on because at that point you're not really limited by choice. Any Pokemon you use in the 3d gens are based on personal choice rather than efficiency because of the wealth of options you have at your disposal.
Serperior is objectively good looking, and I like Emboar no matter what people say, if it wasnt a starter and was just a normal mon people would be drooling at it
But Samurott... Im sorry bros... The moustache looks SO SO DUMB, its so stupid!!! That was a terrible design choice, Ill never get over it
Less round and fat looking, stronger pose. Compare to the OG Samurott artwork, where it looks more clumsy, like it has a hard time lifting itself off the ground.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I hear you. I happen to think it’s extremely minor and can be mitigated by just making them both animate in ways that make their legs seem strong get without actually redesigning anything.
To be honest I don't get the ungodly amounts of praise this form gets.
The colors just don't go together at all, there's no contrast.
It feels like an amateur job, like when you're first learning how to sprite and just use an existing Pokemon as a basis except you totally ruin its color scheme because you have no idea about color theory.
I hear you. I happen to think it’s extremely minor and can be mitigated by just making them both animate in ways that make their legs seem strong get without actually redesigning anything.
To be fair, that was more concerning the old art, it looks a bit better in other areas at least (even if I still think the regional looks better in movement)
4 months ago
Anonymous
not him but it's horrible and shows Samurott's color palette was unacceptable
4 months ago
Anonymous
No because stark whites also just don't work on Pokemon lol, it needs some texture.
Not even Reshiram is that white.
I just like normal Samurott's color scheme, it has contrast without going overboard.
I love all starters deeply, all of them, I think they all have different characteristics and tastes, I think they all have much value and are good designs
EXCEPT THESE IDIOTS
they are the blandest shit Ive ever seen, only time Ive ever boxed my starter ever, hope I never do it again
>Gen 1
All the designs are cool, and depending what you choose you can still pick plenty of other cool wild pokemon to round out your team. There are lots of options to build a good team that works around your starter.
>Gen II
Other than Shitorita they are still pretty good and you can build a decent team without your starter feeling redundant.
>Gen III
Blaziken and Mudkip are both useful and worth keeping around, but I don't even remember what the other one was called or looked like.
>Gen IV
This is where it starts to get shitty, but fire monkey still fits in a team nicely. The other two are just lame designs though. Can't remember how the team comp ends up because this generation was boring as frick.
>Gen V
Best overall pokemon generation (in the sequels at least) with tons of variety and the ability to build basically any team you can think of; which is fortunate because the starters are all total dogshit and I wouldn't ever keep any of them in my endgame team.
>Gen VI
Greninja is cool but I'd box the other two, again, so much variety here and the game hands you so many mons for free, there's no need to be sentimental.
>Any subsequent generation
Shit starters are basically the least of the series problems after this point.
>simple isnt necessarily a bad thing
in Pokemon it more often than not is, and is the defining feature of Johto Pokemon on the whole, which has led to the decline in esteem of its dex in online discourse over the years amongst the rest of the classic gens
That was intentional, Johto isn't a real region, its just KANTOOOOOs backyard. Johto Pokemon are all some combination of bland, babyish, or way too simple because they're just filler so that the KANTOOOO Pokemon would look cooler more interesting. Hence all the Weakto baby pokemons, the 🙂 faces, why everything is BROWN, why the starters are such boring pieces of shit that don;t evne look like startesr and are not deserving of cool gimmicks like Megas and why and the Very few cool Johto Pokemon are trapped in KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Any Johto Pokemon having any fans at all is due to Game Freak fricking up the simple act of making something be hated and Johtogays being quite possibly moronic.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Any Johto Pokemon having any fans at all is due to Game Freak fricking up the simple act of making something be hated and Johtogays being quite possibly moronic.
misdreavus makes my dick hard though
in gen 5 and 8 it’s mandatory
I actually softlocked myself on bw1. the starters are ugly, patrat’s ugly, lillipup’s ugly, monkeys are ugly. there nothing to use. thank god for bw2 or gen 5 would be unplayable
Samurott and Serperior look cool
disagree? you're moronic
>you’re moronic if you don’t think paraplegic fat swordsmen look cool
damn glad I’m moronic then
>Fat
What?
>not fat
What?
Theres nothing fat about them
>burgers think this isn’t fat
grim
Thats the camera angle making her look fatter than she actually is you dumbfrick
Dadbod lizard though
such a horrible design
You’re a moron.
Jesus christ the anatomy is so fricking bad even for quadrupedal standards
Looks fine underwater + still has more fans than Megainium
Meganium is a pure quadrupedal animal, Samurott is a hybrid with both quadrupedal and bipedal traits.
So if it can switch between them at will, what’s the problem with the design?
The big difference in going from a bipedal otter to a bipedal/quadrupedal otter hybrid monster.
So it being unexpected but keeping everything threw you off?
Yes, that's how I see it and it is funny how most fanmade Samurott redesigns does worse at keeping everything from the first two forms in the line. But I also like the blue and white scheme Oshawott had which Dewott then ditched.
>Pokehomosexuals have shit taste
Woah what a surprise
How is this fat? Are you projecting?
>Mastering Iaido makes it a paraplegic
samurott looks dumb as frick
I think /vp/ is only place that hates Samurott.
/vp/ just likes to be contrarian.
that's not a softlock
yeah it’s just shitty game design making me use these turner abominations
>yeah
then why did you say it is?
cause I couldn’t continue the game out of sheer disgust after seeing pansear
>I lied, but because I'm salty it's fine. I can say anything I want when I'm mad and it's correct
You have mental health issues, and it makes it not surprising that you threw a fit and quit the game.
nta but dude frick off you autistic frick, go sperg out about squirrels or some other shit. This anon
was very clearly using a clever metaphor (BW1 = shit).
> turner abominations
Yawn
>bw2
>gives you magnemite stupidly early
Why did give you the one electric pokemon that completely outclasses all the other electric types?
Ampharos was good enough
Because it got an evolution in gen 4 and gen 4 cross gen evos were what was cool at the time. B2W2 was the first game with fan service distribution
>gen 5 and 8
>not gen 6 and 7
Gen 6 gives you objectively better pokemon (the kanto starters) 5 seconds in, and gen 7's starters are also all dogshit.
genuinely, if we get a bw remake im waiting on home support before touching it, the early game of BW is abysmal
Ditching starters is cringe
Dont you DARE slander the aristocratic snek!
being able to steamroll the game with just your starter is bad game design
I ditched my starter in hgss where you could use the pokemeter thing to get a kangaskhan in the first town
>hmmm today I will reply to shitty bait
Honestly sometimes I do find the starter kinda limiting in Pokemon.
I've always wanted to use Vileplume or Tentacruel in a Kanto playthrough but I've never gotten around to it because of type overlaps with Venusaur or Blastoise, but I'm also too autistic about sentimentality to just box them.
Maybe one day I will just say frick it and go ham with a Tentacruel - Vileplume - Arcanine team.
Then do it you moron
I just did a Kanto playthrough I'm not going to go back now.
Try Johto
You're not going to believe this.
Your gold team seems like it could beat your rgby team
The dream is to get a Pokemon game with cross save where you actually get to fight your previous Hall of Fame team.
cool teams
>Rollout
I've been meaning to try Rollout on a Pokemon the next time I play GSC just haven't had the time, has it been useful?
its not quite the same, but GSC lets you fight the team of the last person you used the Mystery Gift with as the Trainer House in Viridian
Levels look a bit low for a usual GSC playthrough, should be low-50's at Red naturally.
>female ursaring with pink bow
cute
Play a romhack that changes your starter or just use pkhex to edit your save.
Ditching
>Gen 1
Weird decision, probably bad on a personal level
>Gen 2
moronic decision, bad on a personal level
>Gen 3
Either or, starters are good but so is most of the dex, neutral (there is some bias here)
>Gen 4
moronic decision, other Pokemon don't come close, bad on a personal level (biased against Sinnoh's encounters)
>Gen 5
Either or, starters are reliable but not busted while the dex has plenty of strong or more enjoyable options, neutral option (I'm very biased in favor of Unova however)
>Gen 6
Good decision, game hands many strong Pokemon to you throughout the game with minimal effort to obtain, game also gives you a Kanto starter for free, kinda dumb not to box your starter at least once (biased against Kalos for multiple reasons)
>Gen 7
Odd decision, starters are decently good here and the dex doesn't offer many good replacements you haven't already seen before, unsure where to put this
>Gen 8
Literally rewarded for it, overwhelming amount of replacements in the game both new and old (imo this is the problem with regional dexes with 400+ Pokemon)
>Gen 9
Not punished but you also don't gain much from boxing the starter, neutral option
They should give you a completely random pokemon outside of legendaries.
So you can get some complete shitter like feebas as a starter.
Always thought it was lame npcs and anime characters get almost any first stage mon as a starter if it wasn't a hand-me-down while we're always stuck with the Grass-Fire-Water only available at the beginning.
Emboar and Serperior are great designs, you have to be a homosexual to dislike them
emboar is the one of the worst designs in the series and somehow still not the ugliest thing to come out of unova
>epitome of wrestling with a pig combined with a sumo
All it needed was a ground type, it was only hated because of the repeated fire fighting type
Epitome? The execution is dogshit. A neat idea with a bad design.
emboar UGLY reasons?
I like the Tepig line though.
>slow piece of shit with no defenses
Useless
Doesn’t matter in the game campaign.
You don't need a competitive viable team for a story playthrough.
it's not about that. its just getting through the game with minimal frustrations. Like why use Serperior when your vine whip has to slap something for 20 turns versus another pokemon that sweeps
Because I like Serperior. Simple as. I would just give it moves that aren't sucky.
Why would you use Vine Whip like a moron instead of Giga Drain or Leaf Storm?
early to mid game boyjoy. You're going to be slapping things with vine whip or leaf cutter for a good 10 hours against things that are neutral or resistant to Snivvy's attacks
also there isn't contrary Snivvy in gen 5. So you can't even cheat your way through leafstorm spam
Holy SOULLESS
Same, pigs are cute
Пoкeмoгa
Tepig is ugly, i understand why that one trainer in the anime abandoned him
>tfw too autistic to not use my headcanon starters in every game paired with the correct player gender
What are you headcanons, anon?
>Gen 1
Venusaur, a lot of pieces of official art have Red with Bulbasaur and so does LGPE.
It's also the first entry in the dex in the first ever game so it feels appropriate.
>Gen 2
The Cyndaquil line almost seems tailor-made for Ethan, they have the same color scheme.
>Gen 3
May gets Torchic, I think Blaziken and May share some superficial design traits that make them go well together (similar color scheme and similar hair style kinda)
But you can't just choose May and pick Torchic, because that would give Brendan Mudkip, and in the official ORAS animation May has both Mudkip and Torchic while Brendan has Treecko, so you actually need to play as Brendan and pick Treecko so May can get Torchic for herself
>Gen 4
You pick Turtwig cause Chimchar is the most appropriate choice for Barry, they're once again color coded to match and he's a hotheaded guy who likes bruteforcing things.
I also like to pick Lucas cause that gives Dawn Piplup which is a pretty iconic pairing with the anime.
>Gen 5
For B2W2 it's Nate with Tepig like in the trailer.
For BW I feel like Hilda is very commonly associated with Tepig and Hilbert is associated with Oshawott, so for the sake of not reusing starters I go with Hilbert.
>Gen 6
Probably the most obvious choice, the protagonists are color coded red and blue, if you play Serena with Fennekin Calem gets Froakie.
>Gen 7
This is the first games where I don't actually have a set gender in mind, however the starter obviously has to be Rowlet so that Kukui can get Incineroar.
Rowlet probably pairs better with Selene though.
>Gen 8
Again no gender, starter's Cinderace cause like... it's the soccer region and it's the only starter that has a soccer themeing, I feel like Game Freak kinda dropped the ball here lol
>Gen 9
This is the only gen that actually has me stumped cause I don't think any of the starters fit Nemona at all, but I think Meowscarada kind of has main character energy over the others? Maybe?
>This is the only gen that actually has me stumped cause I don't think any of the starters fit Nemona at all, but I think Meowscarada kind of has main character energy over the others? Maybe?
I made sure Nemona had Meowscarada as well, and I think her green bangs match as well. And so far she’s had Meowscarada in most supplementary material.
>>Gen 8
>Again no gender, starter's Cinderace cause like... it's the soccer region and it's the only starter that has a soccer themeing, I feel like Game Freak kinda dropped the ball here lol
I have never seen a starter and region fit as much as Galar and Cinderace, the whole region is based on it's tournament style battles, hell even in the official brochure they made for SwSh they point it out lol. I also forgot in the Gotcha MV they were so confused they just gave Cinderace to both Victor and Gloria kek.
IMO every starter could have been a different football position.
Rillaboom could have been a goalie and Inteleon some kind of midfielder while Cinderace can stay as the striker.
Maybe that'd make them too similar but I feel like it'd have been better than one of the three starters being so aggressively more appropriate for the setting than the other two.
Idk James Bond inspired starter also feels appropriate
Drummer gorilla a bit less so but rock music is a big part of English pop culture I guess
The problem with that is the idea that Galar is a representation of England as a whole, but the whole game revolves around football analogs.
Like there's nothing at all related to James Bond outside of Inteleon himself, no side quest where you make a movie or run into like the PI6 or whatever.
In theory Inteleon is an appropriate choice but when you actually look at the game it's just a totally random inclusion.
Chairman Rose is a Bondvillain.
>Ethan
>This is the first games where I don't actually have a set gender in mind, however the starter obviously has to be Rowlet so that Kukui can get Incineroar.
>Rowlet probably pairs better with Selene though.
So you're fine with Hau having Primarina?
Primarina doesn't really go with anyone (outside of the male MC I guess) but Kukui + Incineroar is way stronger of a pair than anything you could give Hau.
When you play Platinum, Lucas as the MC with Piplup as his starter is canon
it's just art
nobody in their right mind would think Turtwig + Rival makes a lick of sense
even Snorlax is a joke based on Munchlax's nature evolving into something unexpected, exactly like Vigoroth
>nobody in their right mind would think Turtwig + Rival makes a lick of sense
It makes perfect sense, Barry needs a slow turtle pokemon to learn some patience and grow as a person, plus the starter colours all match their clothes in Platinum
Lucas = Blue coat = Piplup
Dawn = Red coat = Infernape
Barry = Green scarf = Turtwig
Except that throws the cool thing the game actually does with Barry's team out the window - when he realizes he needs to be better and learn to be more patient rather than rushing into things he gets a Munchlax - not only a b***h of an encounter to get on a metatextual sense but also a really slow Pokemon.
If he has Torterra on his team from the start it throws that out the window cause he's been enthusiastically using a slow Pokemon from the start.
Both Heracross and Munchlax are part of the joke for the reason stated but they are also both portrayed as relatively hyperactive Pokemon (though somewhat chill), which obviously fits Pearl/Barry's ethos.
Then it into evolves into Snorlax, which yes is a moral (as well as another joke).
>If he has Torterra on his team from the start it throws that out the window cause he's been enthusiastically using a slow Pokemon from the start.
This.
The key art's never consistent, unless there's a clear bias across multiple pieces or there's some kind of promotional animation that backs it up I don't like guiding myself by it too much.
Holy crap I'm kind of like this as well. I really love using canon teams, but it's hard for me at times. Like in RSE, Mudkip is my favorite starter, but I can't really use him if I wanna go the canon route, because May is associated with Torchic as seen in various promo art and in the anime, while Brendan is associated with Treecko as seen in that ORAS animation. Meanwhile, Mudkip is associated with... Max, an anime only character not even in the games. Also if I chose Mudkip, that would lead to May using Treecko and that just doesn't feel right to me at all, but if I went the canon route and chose Treecko instead, I wouldn't have a lot of other options for water types since they're either hard to obtain (yes I'm looking at YOU, Feebas), or I'm just simply not a fan of them. Like sure I could go with something like a Tentacruel or a Gyarados which are easily obtainable, but I like to use the mons native to the region they're in (I make an exception to Johto since most Johto mons are hard to obtain, and Kanto and Johto are closely related).
Not a thing until gen 5 introduced it's awful starters
>children who grew up with kalos are too young to have know what gen 4 is
Grim. I'm getting too old.
I like Torchic and Treeko. Mudkips is fricking moronic though.
I also like Infernape. Didn't need another Fire/Fighting starter, but whatever.
Now that pig really should have been something other than Fire/Fighting.
What a shit contrarian genwunner picture.
kids today have no idea how bad they were back then
>Contrarian
Your underage is showing. Back then this was the majority opinion. It's why it cracks me up when I see current /vp/ shitting so hard on the new designs knowing that in 10 years they'll have to bit their lip watching younger fans say shit like Inteleon is "peak"
I'm a Sinnohbaby ok?!
*Sinnohfetus
Please tell me this meme got continued up to nuGens (6-9) and provide evidence for it
Holy frick I haven’t seen this picture in ages
Back when moronic genwunners were in full force, glad those times are over and we can just all agree as a community that gens 8 and 9 suck dick
There is a bit of a thing in Violet where Skeledirge and the megaman edgelord have complete type overlap. Skeledirge is better obviously but Ceruledge is almost like an unofficial Violet mascot so you might feel a bit of an obligation to them a try
They each do something totally different.
>needing to ditch your starter
>needing
That's not a thing. The games aren't that difficult, you can clear every single pokemon gens games with your starter even if they aren't competitively viable.
I think Gen 5 has the worst starters ever.
I had to do it in gen 6.
Replaced froakie with a bidoof.
boxed the KANTOOOOO pander also
Never looked back.
You never really understand how a portion of the gen 6 roster is when you have to use them...
It's a bad thing unless for some reason you decided to play gen 5. At least one starter in every other generation is at least worth looking at.
>Gen 1 starters
All kino
>Gen 2 starters
All kino
>Gen 3 starters
All kino
>Gen 4 starters
All kino
>Gen 5 starters
Complete shit with the exception of the Serperior line
>Gen 6 starters
Complete shit with the exception of the Greninja line
>Gen 7
ALL of them are shit this time
>Gen 8
All of them are shit
>Gen 9
All of them are shit.
Wow, Unova really did cause the irreparable ongoing dark age of this franchise.
what did you expect? they started allowing foreigners into designing their mons
first 4 gens all set in Japan and have great starters
gen 5 onward all set in the West and have trash starters
what did they mean by this?
That does explain why Hisui was the first set of starters I liked since Sinnoh.
>failed shillmon owl with a hat
>gay typhlosion
>Shadow the paraplegic fat swordsmen
>good
placucks are pathetic
>failed shillmon owl with a hat
It’s a nice hat,
>gay typhlosion
Nice projection
>Shadow the paraplegic fat swordsmen
It can move just fine,
>good
Yes
Still glow ups and are fun designs to look at ingame.
It's actually a peak straight design, I see you just don't get the allure of the beautiful carnivore...
Typhlosion is fundamentally flawed and cannot be fixed but Hisuian Decidueye and Samurott were improvements
The art looks like Samurott took some pointers from Palkia's technique.
can also use judgement cut
>Gen 3 starters
>All kino
Haha, no. All dogshit, especially the shitty grass one.
>Gen 4 starters
>All kino
Haha no. All of them shit except torterra.
>Gen 5 starters
>Complete shit with the exception of the Serperior line
Haha, no. All of them are steaming dogshit.
>Gen 6 starters
>Complete shit with the exception of the Greninja line
Haha no. the fox is the only okay one but even then you get a KANTOOOOOOOO Starter so no reason to use it.
>Wow, Unova really did cause the irreparable ongoing dark age of this franchise.
This is the truth. It was a steep, sharp drop off a tall cliff from the PEAK of the franchise that was HGSS.
I used to love all the starters but then I grew up and became cynical and they looked like dogshit to me. So yeah, gen 5 was the start.
>Gen 1
Good except Charizard
>Gen 2
Good except Typhlosion
>Gen 3
All good
>Gen 4
All good
>Gen 5
All good
>Gen 6
Good except Delphox
>Gen 7
Carried by Incineroar
>Gen 8
All bad
>Gen 9
Good except Skeledirge
Conclusion: Gens 3-5 are the only ones worth playing
>Queerquaval
>Good
I ditched by Paldea starter for the ogre
If you ditched Unova starters you didn't played the game.
Bad. They're supposed to be your bro for life.
Meh, I haven't used a starter since my first run through Sun. They're just options.
>Is needing to ditch your starter in a pokemon game a good or bad thing?
"NEEDING" because all options are not good in their own region is a bad thing, yes. You shouldn't feel obligated to box your starter because they're bad. All starters should be good and usable in an ideal world. And if one isn't, pick one that is.
For example: I like Meganium, but Meganium is pretty bad, so if you can't handle it, just run Typhlosion or Feraligatr instead.
But boxing your starter because of some self-implemented challenge is fine. Like I once ran a mono-Dark team in Black 2. Picked Tepig and boxed it once I caught a Purrloin, who served as my pseudo-starter.
You never "need" to box your starter because any half moronic child can beat this game with any Pokemon, given enough patience. That being said, there are quite a few starters that aren't optimal choices:
>RBY
Squirtle is good early but as soon as you have access to rods you get a myriad of choices for Water types that outclass Blastoise. Charizard is kinda shit, but at least it doesn't have any real competition from other Fire types. Venusaur is best in type, being the fastest Grass type with Razor Leaf.
>GSC
Typhlosion and Feraligatr are beasts in game and don't really get much competition from other mons of their types. Meganium is not nearly as good, but your other choices for Grass types outside of Vileplume/Victreebel are atrocious so it's still worth keeping if you want a Grass type.
>RSE
Swampert is straight up one of the best Pokemon in the game, despite being ugly as sin. Treecko line gets outclassed by Lotad and maybe Roselia, and Tropius is an excellent HM slave if you need to have type autism on your team. Hoenn has some good Fire types and excellent Fighting types, so Blaziken is pretty replaceable too.
>DPPt
All of the starters are very good in game and if not best in type for a playthrough, then very close. Infernape in particular wrecks shit in these games.
>BW/BW2
Snivy suffers from having one of the least satisfying starter movepools in history, and is easily replaced by Lilligant early on. Tepig has a better movepool but has the misfortune of being in the same gen as Darmanitan, which is a downright broken ingame mon. Oshawatt only really faces competition from Basculin, but is otherwise mediocre.
Not gonna bother doing gens 6 on because at that point you're not really limited by choice. Any Pokemon you use in the 3d gens are based on personal choice rather than efficiency because of the wealth of options you have at your disposal.
Snivy was the only one I liked so it being terrible was a big reason I came away from BW with a burning hatred of the game.
So to answer your question it's a horrible thing.
Serperior is objectively good looking, and I like Emboar no matter what people say, if it wasnt a starter and was just a normal mon people would be drooling at it
But Samurott... Im sorry bros... The moustache looks SO SO DUMB, its so stupid!!! That was a terrible design choice, Ill never get over it
As a Samugay I'll admit that Hisui made its whiskers look nicer
altogether regular Samurott shouldn't have existed and Hisuian Samurott is what it needed to be from the jump
They can both exist as one is a samurai and the other is a ronin
Just from the artwork alone it looks less awkward than the original.
this would have made me think twice about picking serperior
How? No pecs?
Less round and fat looking, stronger pose. Compare to the OG Samurott artwork, where it looks more clumsy, like it has a hard time lifting itself off the ground.
I hear you. I happen to think it’s extremely minor and can be mitigated by just making them both animate in ways that make their legs seem strong get without actually redesigning anything.
To be honest I don't get the ungodly amounts of praise this form gets.
The colors just don't go together at all, there's no contrast.
It feels like an amateur job, like when you're first learning how to sprite and just use an existing Pokemon as a basis except you totally ruin its color scheme because you have no idea about color theory.
Does the shiny work for you or?
To be fair, that was more concerning the old art, it looks a bit better in other areas at least (even if I still think the regional looks better in movement)
not him but it's horrible and shows Samurott's color palette was unacceptable
No because stark whites also just don't work on Pokemon lol, it needs some texture.
Not even Reshiram is that white.
I just like normal Samurott's color scheme, it has contrast without going overboard.
I love all starters deeply, all of them, I think they all have different characteristics and tastes, I think they all have much value and are good designs
EXCEPT THESE IDIOTS
they are the blandest shit Ive ever seen, only time Ive ever boxed my starter ever, hope I never do it again
>Gen 1
All the designs are cool, and depending what you choose you can still pick plenty of other cool wild pokemon to round out your team. There are lots of options to build a good team that works around your starter.
>Gen II
Other than Shitorita they are still pretty good and you can build a decent team without your starter feeling redundant.
>Gen III
Blaziken and Mudkip are both useful and worth keeping around, but I don't even remember what the other one was called or looked like.
>Gen IV
This is where it starts to get shitty, but fire monkey still fits in a team nicely. The other two are just lame designs though. Can't remember how the team comp ends up because this generation was boring as frick.
>Gen V
Best overall pokemon generation (in the sequels at least) with tons of variety and the ability to build basically any team you can think of; which is fortunate because the starters are all total dogshit and I wouldn't ever keep any of them in my endgame team.
>Gen VI
Greninja is cool but I'd box the other two, again, so much variety here and the game hands you so many mons for free, there's no need to be sentimental.
>Any subsequent generation
Shit starters are basically the least of the series problems after this point.
Typhlosion and Blastoise are lame and Torterra is way better than both of them design-wise.
accept her into your heart or you will never find true happiness
johto starter designs are bland all-around and it's easy to conflate Chikorita line's unviability with its design, even though it's decent
youre confusing bland with simple, simple isnt necessarily a bad thing, I think it works well for the johto trio
>simple isnt necessarily a bad thing
in Pokemon it more often than not is, and is the defining feature of Johto Pokemon on the whole, which has led to the decline in esteem of its dex in online discourse over the years amongst the rest of the classic gens
That was intentional, Johto isn't a real region, its just KANTOOOOOs backyard. Johto Pokemon are all some combination of bland, babyish, or way too simple because they're just filler so that the KANTOOOO Pokemon would look cooler more interesting. Hence all the Weakto baby pokemons, the 🙂 faces, why everything is BROWN, why the starters are such boring pieces of shit that don;t evne look like startesr and are not deserving of cool gimmicks like Megas and why and the Very few cool Johto Pokemon are trapped in KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Any Johto Pokemon having any fans at all is due to Game Freak fricking up the simple act of making something be hated and Johtogays being quite possibly moronic.
>Any Johto Pokemon having any fans at all is due to Game Freak fricking up the simple act of making something be hated and Johtogays being quite possibly moronic.
misdreavus makes my dick hard though
Compelling argument.
only pokefrickers hate them
>snivy line
>not for pokefrickers
C'mon now.