Is Nintendo the most pro-consumer company in the game industry?
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Is Nintendo the most pro-consumer company in the game industry?
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dlc for dlc
yeah it's this thread again
blah blah blah
>inb4 hurr durr, it is already a DLC
It is though
correct erect
it's already a dlc
>inb4 someone stated a factual claim
>inb4 it wins goty again and the sales come out and it break records again and you're still crying about it
Game is already forgotten because we already played it 6 years ago
It can't be forgotten when subhumans like you can't stop saying it's forgotten.
hurr durr, it is already a DLC
Yo dawg i heard you like DLC so we gave yo DLC a DLC for yo DLC
Yes, it is already DLC.
They literally said that they made this game because they had too many ideas for DLC for the original game. So yes, it's DLC.
>No DLC
Yes. They are the most pro-consumer just like back in Wii era.
delusional
they're equally bad as EA, Ubisoft and Sony USA
When has Nintendo put microtransactions and lootboxes in their games? They make stupid decisions but haven't reached that point yet.
Frick no. They've got tons of shitty anti-consumerish practices under their belt. From Snuffing down fan-projects and localizations, to creating artificial scarcity for their games and hardware, resulting skyrocketing prices on used market. And don't get me started with their shitty rental-emulation service on Shitch.
If you want to see actually Bro-tier pro-consumer groups, you need to look at smaller indie / AA publisher companies, like the Devolver Digital or the Coffee Stain.
Amiibos.
>Amiibos.
Not even remotely comparable. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING in any game that features them has something locked behind amiibos that you can’t get through regular gameplay (or at least in the case of BOTW, you’ll get an equivalent version stats wise). And you can always resell your Amiibos when you’re done with them, unlike any digital-only DLC.
>Not even remotely comparable.
Correct. They are EVEN WORSE:
Physical, limited DLC.
>Nothing in any game
Oh look, this kiddo has not played Smash Bros. And even in BotW, you literally can't access the DEVS' favorite features, such as the Wolf Link companion, without Amibos.
>resell
Good luck getting any of them under 100 bucks nowadays. Like said, Nin creates problems.
>limited DLC
bruh just use an nfc tag if you care about that shit fr fr
>Nothing, absolutely NOTHING in any game that features them has something locked behind amiibos that you can’t get through regular gameplay
A ton of games have this. Codename Steam had four unique playable characters locked behind amiibos. Captain Toad had a "find the hidden 8-bit toad" mode for every level locked behind an amiibo. Smash has amiibo cpus that are different and harder than regular ones. Shovel Knight (not a Nintendo exclusive game, but still) has challenge levels locked behind amiibos. These are just the ones I know off the top of my head. I'm sure amiibo autists know more.
what are you talking about, you can't play Hard mode in Metroid Samus Returns unless you own that FOMO made Metroid Amiibo.
>Amiibos.
>Physical object that can be freely transferred or resold
seems pretty fricking consumer friendly to me.
>From Snuffing down fan-projects and localizations
I don´t remember Nintendo ever shutting down a fan localization.
>destroying fan projects
>sue the fans afterwards into a slavery
>rinse and repeat
>also patents mechanics that aren't theirs to begin with
ok i am changing my stance
they are WORSE than Sony, Ubisoft or EA
>sue the fans afterwards into a slavery
When has Nintendo ever done that?
some guy named bowser sold hacked switches or sold parts to hack switches or something. either way he was doing this for quite a while and eventually got sued by nintendo. instead of prison time they settled on him having to give a significant cut of all of his income to nintendo because he wouldnt be able to pay all of the damages back in full in his lifetime anyways.
>instead of prison time they settled on him having to give a significant cut of all of his income to nintendo
and by "they" he means "The United States government" because last i checked Nintendo doesn't have the authority to garnish anyone's wages. Dude was a legit criminal and people are trying to feel sorry for him because he got punished for it.
obviously "they" is not nintendo. how moronic do you have to be to imply anything else? nintendo wouldve settled for death penalty+revive for every single rom you downloaded of the internetz if they could get away with it.
So then you agree "Nintendo" didn't "sue the guy into slavery" like anon originally claimed?
who did sue bowser if not nintendo? and ever heard of figurative speech? are you perhaps autistic?
iirc it wasn't a case of getting sued at all. they were straight up arrested for crimes.
He committed a crime you moron. He deserved to get punished for it. Calling him a fan outs you as the dumbass Black person homosexual.
to prove a point they had the option of suing a guy for hundreds of thousands of dollars because he leaked NSMBW a few days early
fan projects
Every company does this you moron. Everything else is just worthless babble.
>Every company does this you moron.
Nope. And if you truly believe this, you were born in the 2000s and only consoom modern AAA trash.
The based devs of 1990s literally encouraged fan content. Private servers and modding tools used to be common practice, whereas nowadays they're shunned upon because it can make games "live too long" and result the publishers having to "compete against their own products". As in try to match the previous games' quality with their new rehash crap.
>Nope
There's really no point in taking to stupid people.
i never heard of those companies doing that or at the very least not some big projects and shit, Nintendo however does it, even to the smaller scale ones.
Like Capcom, Square, and Sega?
never heard of them taking down projects
moron.
'>no argument
ah so you're either underage or discord troony okay
There really is no point in talking to stupid people.
true which is why this is your last (you)
>true
I have no idea why you would admit to being stupid.
ok my bad i do remember about Capcom only where they shut down a fan remake of RE game but then it resulted in making the remake themselves instead.
Capcom killed the resident evil and code Veronica projects. Square killed projects like chrono resurrection, chrono break, crimson echos. Sega killed Bomber Games SoR remake and killed some fan music projects
a bunch of old games that ended up being massively successful started out as mods.
fan projects
valid point
>>sue the fans afterwards into a slavery
"fan" that was selling hacked switches for years. the punishment was way too severe imo but its not like he was some innocent fan. also, the "afterwards" implies the second line is related to the first. calling his hustle a "fan project" is stupid
and repeat
whats that even supposed to mean?
>>also patents mechanics that aren't theirs to begin with
cant get something patented if it was already patented. if it wasnt patented before, well sucks to be you. patent feuds have been a thing since patents were a thing and its always the sore losers that complain instead of simply filing a patent right away instead of waiting for someone else to do it. you have no one but yourself to blame.
also remember that time when sony tried to patent a system for ads on TV to only stop when the viewer says the product name or some slogan or whatever out loud into the TVs built in mic.
fan projects
>>sue the fans afterwards into a slavery
Wasn't the guy literally selling hacked Switches? No one is suing fan projects.
>>also patents mechanics that aren't theirs to begin with
All the mechanics they filled pantents for (patents have to be approved) were their own original solutions.
Why are Snoys this stupid?
>sue the fans afterwards into a slavery
>An idiot who works for a chink flash card company that bricks hardware is a fan
The fricker that got sued into slavery was not making "fan projects", he was selling hacked Switches that had a code THAT WOULD BRICK YOUR SWITCH IF YOU DID NOT GET IT DIRECTLY FROM HIM HIM.
Yes, the motherfricker put DRM on his DRM breaking code.
There's a switch f2p kirby with tons of micro transactions and timers, same as all the mobile games.
Also the last 3 smash.
I will say with the Kirby game, they have a cap on transactions; if you spend 30 bucks it stops allowing any money buys and you just get near infinite anything you might want.
Stupid Nintendo, being nice scammers
There was a Mobile Mario Kart p2w.
>they're equally bad as EA, Ubisoft and Sony USA
I just mentally write off anyone who says this shit, takes a real level of delusion to think Nintendo is as bad as EA and yet I see it said all the time.
>they're equally bad as EA, Ubisoft and Sony USA
I'm not trying to defend Nintendo but that's fricking delusional. They're one of the last great video game companies left and they always put video game innovation above profits.
>They're one of the last great video game companies left and they always put video game innovation above profits.
>and they always put video game innovation above profits.
Want to actually make a rebuttal or just post garbage anime?
If you can say previous's post things with a straight face then there is no helping you anymore
Okay, so no actual argument?
what do you want me to say? Nintendo only ever cared ( i am sorry if i hurt tendies's feelings about their favorite corporation but it is the truth) about profit and haven't innovated anything past the 2010+
And that makes them as bad as EA in your eyes? Because I don't see how.
so like every single fricking company in the gaming industry. wow how fricking insightful anon do you want a medal with that.
homie Nintendo have consistently pushed the envelope. Their hardware and software has shaped the gaming landscape for 40 years. If you want to be ignorant you're only deluding yourself.
i am strictly speaking about innovation in the games not hardware.
>i am strictly speaking about innovation in the games not hardware.
So you're just in denial then?
nuZelda and Death Stranding are the only games to innovate open world games in like a decade.
what did nu-zeldas innovate? i haven't seen a single new thing
Nice to see OoTgays continuing to be cancer.
Shouldn't the game that lives in youe guys' head rent free be A Link to the Past? Because that's where the Zelda formula began, not OoT
>Zelda formula
Stupid OoTgay.
Unifying the environment and gameplay into a system that makes traversal from A to B into an interactive, fun, and engaging challenge loaded with unique but connected mechanics.
damn sounds like Death Stranding
Yes that's what I said before.
grass!
>and Sony USA
lmao, found the snoy
meds?
I don't get it. How does no DLC change whether or not it's pro-consumer?
People have been saying that because BG3 shipped as a complete product that larinan is pro consumer. Therefore, games that don’t warrant a dlc and are put out to pasture are also pro consumer, supposedly.
>Complete
But it wasn't, its unfinished goyslop too and after all the lies they said I guess they're too busy making patches to actually fixed and finish that turd.
>goyslop
I does want to talk to israeli golems parroting their buzzwords.
>Can't defend his troony game
>ESL
Sad
More childish buzzwords.
I don’t*, excuse me
>Lariantroony
lmao
Amazing how they scream when you call them out, holy shit
Yeah I agree changs should get a better script already, BG3 is a pozzed unfinished game.
>BG3 is a pozzed unfinished game.
Bet you can't explain how.
Complete games can't ever have additional expansions?
an expansion is different from like 5 different DLCs that shouldve been in the base game
example: cuphead
>People have been saying that because BG3 shipped as a complete product that larinan is pro consumer. Therefore, games that don’t warrant a dlc and are put out to pasture are also pro consumer, supposedly.
I thought BG3 was early access?
Bros is second wind for botw worth playing?
If you like botw you can interact with the world in some new ways but the magic of discovery is basically gone.
The magic of discovery is just as present.
I love Kass!
That not shotabird!
Too bad he will never officially be in the game now, enjoy BotW as long as you can weirdo
lazy fricks, they really should've increased monster variety
seethe
>Nintendo
>pro consumer
o i’m laffin
I don't know, I don't consoom, I pirate
No. if they were they would've included master mode, now totk won't even have a hard mode unlike botw even when there's clear design choices that infer they planned on releasing one.
Definitely not
>2019
It hasn't changed since then
so? they coulve stuck to the monthly schedule and simply stretch out their releases so thin that they release like one or two games each month instead of 4 to 6 over a bigger time span like its the case now. they wouldnt have churned out the games any faster, we would still have the same amount at the end of the switches lifetime
>defending laziness
its not laziness when they produce the same amount of output but simply release it in larger batches with more wait time in between. its simply better for marketing to push a tweet every couple months with half a dozen games in them instead of a tweet every month with one, maybe two games.
and even then. what does it matter? they could be not releasing any of those for all i care. just emulate those games.
>muh online
plenty of retro games have online modded into them by now, not a selling point.
Having paid online is anti-consumer
never argued against that.
>$70 asset flip
>turned a guy into a literal slave for selling hacked switches
>the most litigious gaming company out there, will sue you out of existence if they even suspect you had a dream about one of their ips
tendies are really something else
Dlc in a bubble isn't a bad thing. But here this is likely a good thing since BotW's dlc was overpriced dog poo. And TotK feels somewhere in the middle of dlc and sequel already.
Elden Ring's dlc could be the best all time give From's track record and how long it is taking.
The whole game was dlc lmfao
>less content is actually good
actual morons, they ain't gonna put the extra money or time into new amazing projects, just the new Ring Fit Adventures.
Wow, that's surprising. So all of the cut content in the game that was obviously for the DLC just won't be added in. Shame. Well, I'm done with the game then, no replay.
They charge for ROMs.
every company in the world has a #1 commitment to shareholders first, then the consumer
nintendo is probably as bad as the others, but just not in a way that you care about
>makes lots of games
>games are good
>cheap console
They're by far the most pro consumer company.
>b-but muh tournaments I don't participate in
>muh romhacks I don't make
>b-b-but why did they sue the guy selling hacked switches??
Lmao
So much shitposting against nintendo because snoys and pcgays have no games to play so they spend all their time whining on Ganker.
>no DLC
so what the frick is the point of that cavern in lake hylia
The one you drop the shrine rock into?
I like botw but hated totk hope they don't keep this gmod bullshit in the next game.
I'm supposed to believe this after the cliffhanger that is that new bird's character arc?
Nintendo became an Apple product company when the Wii and the 3DS started printed money.
>blaming the 3DS
>and not the play station
>also a furgay
I wasn't aware Nintendo made the playstation
>furgay
yes
This. But the DS instead of 3DS. it was literally designed as an iShit product.
>B-B-BUT $ONY!!!!! WAHHHHHH
brainrotten subhuman Nintendicksucker.
>news about anything Nintendo comes out
>discordtrannies rush to make threads about it
They let two other die but spammed this one lmao.
>no master mode
mother frickers, I stop playing totk for that reason
No gold tier enemies either. What the frick??
>Nintendo
>pro-consumer
HAHAHAHAHA
come on man, they made like half of the greatest games of all time but their respect for consumers is near zero, it takes only the smallest peek at their long and storied legal history of going after fans, rentals, tournaments, mods, etc.
they're japanese disney
TotK is the best video game I have ever played in my 40 years as a gamer.
I love that it exists as a complete package, with no DLC, mircotransactions or store front to muddy it. A rare thing these days. Savour this gem.
very low standards then friend
And the physical version has the dup glitch
Based. My GoTY.
the nintendo discord wienersuckers are here
You been babbling ESL nonsense since OP made the thread.
mind pointing out any ESL nonsense in his post?
I just saw another one.
so you're just a schizoid got it
Can you please learn English before you reply.
you have to be 18 to post here zoomie
You're very, very stupid.
YWNBAW
Amazing response.
meant for
Maybe learn how to quotepost before calling people underage, buddy
I am well aware of how to do that i simply refuse to feed attention trolls any more (you)s
Nice save discordsis, our thread almost died
have a nice day troony
Meant for
meant for
No need to infight sis, the cavalry is almost here
I can feel nintendo's grip on this board slipping everytime we make one of these threads
What was it like for you when Iwata died?
Well the next Zelda might not take as long if the next system comes out next year. I doubt they would want to wait till the 4th year to have a new 3-D Zelda on it. Totk was delayed by Covid and the last year of development was polishing
Nintendo is extremely anti-consumer and has always been that. They're the only company actively trying to shut down all youtube videos of their games, emulators capable of playing their games, et cetera. They also happily shut down e-stores on their old devices making people unable to access downloadable games they bought and so on. Nintendo is evil as frick.
>selling hacked switches is le bad and people doing it deserve to be treated as criminals
Deranged and brainwashed
>They also happily shut down e-stores on their old devices making people unable to access downloadable games they bought
They have no such DRM in any of their consoles IIRC
Nintendo's business practices are generally completely separate from their creative processes.
On the one hand their development teams make the best games in the world. But on the other hand, their business side can be israeli as frick.
Having said that TotK is great value for money. I've sunk 200 hours into it, every moment has been a joy, the level of craft and soul poured into is apparent and I'm still only 59% complete.
>On the one hand their development teams make the best games in the world
Do some actually, unironically believe this? Is this just said by people with unironic emotional-attachment to Nintendo? What the frick does modern Nintendo do that's so amazing, innovative, and unique compared to everyone else? What makes stuff like Metroid Dread and FE so otherworldly in game-design and unique compared to all the other metroidvanias and SRPGs out? What makes their games "the best in the world" compared to others like Capcom, Fromsoft, indies, etcetera? They literally just make the same shit everyone else does, but easier.
Where are the actual examples of anti-consumer that actually hurt their paid consumers? Taking down projects of people trying to steal their IP or taking down OSTs of people trying to pirate their music are targeting thieves not their consumers. The best examples I can think of are charging for NSO, raising the price of NSO, raising the RRP of first party switch games killing their old digital stores to resell the same game on a newer console at a higher price (Pikmin)
Also removing accessories that were previously in included in bundles to sell them separately like the 3DS chargers
You can blame the EU for that one
Where the frick is my Master Mode with gold enemies and regen?
Could still be an update for it
There's still a possibility, it's more like "no dlc unless we think of a new idea". Not like it couldn't be added as an update unless they added all the other additions in MM (Sky Platforms, Guardian delay, only one save slot)
>the discordtrannies are back to seething over a criminal being punished
It's their main anti-Nintendo talking points, it's literally all they have. A criminal being unreasonably punished for breaking the law and hiding his money.
That's some pretty dissapointing news. The depths has potential but they need to actually put shit down there. I was holding off finishing the game for the inevitable dlc hint but now I guess not.
They did. The Depths are fine and fun to explore. It just need more, new environment hazards.
>The depths are fine
>But they need more shit in them
So you're agreeing with him.
Restructuring level design is related to content, dumb frick.
not*
Because they're working on the zelda for switch 2
nintroons are obnoxious
The only reason there won't be DLC is because they probably had to immediately move on to making the next game because Nintendo wants a new Zelda for the Switch 2 as soon as possible.
>As soon as possible
Four years after the console releases?
As opposed to 5/6 years because they had to work on DLC? Yes, as quick as possible. It's probably already been in pre-production anyway and Aonuma is switching to it fully.
I wish the devices didn't just time out after a bit. Let me fly from one end of the map to the other.
Not really no.
In terms of games they just have better standards of what a game is and should be.
In most everything else though, they're not better. They're just playing the long game, letting everyone else push the boundaries and see how far is safe for them to go even though "safe" is still over stepping the boundary by several miles.
Almost none of what they're getting away with should even be legal since companies demonstrably refuse to control themselves.
>Nintendo
>pro-consumer
rumao
Stand-alone expansion at best
The ultimate mod would be something stitching Breath of the Wild into Tears of the Kingdom as an expanded single game, letting you use both sets of powers interchangeably and play through both plots in sequence.
totk is the dlc, so it wont get any dlc
that should have been obvious the moment they revealed the trailer for the dlc
>Is Nintendo the most pro-consumer company in the game industry?
Yes, which is pretty grim when you think about it.
>Game already got its money
>Was initially meant to be DLC for the first game
Oh well. Five years until BotW3 with two more empty layers and four new enemies.
Weapon durability is here to stay.
Mentally ill snoy.
nta but you do realize its grim when a fricking snoy movie game outdone Nintendo in terms of enemy variety
>enemy variety
kek 1 good enemy is better than 10 bad ones.
>when a fricking snoy movie game
Which one?
nu-GoW cucknarog has unironically more enemy variety than TotK and BotW.
>nu-GoW cucknarog
What? I've beaten that game you literally have
>zombie
>armored zombie
>bug elf
>einherjar
>annoying fricking tigermole thing
>witch
That's it.
>Simon Says enemies
have a nice day.
>Not blindly liking the game makes you a snoy
This is precisely why the game is being kept the way it is, because of blind praise and the need to deflect all and any criticism.
But it is, if we're going by today's standards. You fanboys use that word content to praise the game so what's the difference between editing the map to have some different hazards and adding new devices? Exactly, nothing different at all.
>But it is
I really wish casuals would stop pretending they understand how games work. A collectable isn't level design.
But level design and collectables are both part of the 'content' that fanboys said TotK is jam packed with. If that's not the case, don't use content as a catch-all word.
>Casuals
Don't even try it, buddy.
>But level design and collectables are both part of the 'content'
What the frick are you talking about, dumb fricking casual.
Your post here
And yes I read your other post fixing your typo.
>here
Where did it mentioned it needed more collectables?
When you made this post
And then said the depths needed more. You essentially agreed with the other anon. Play stupid if you want, though I think you may actually BE stupid.
>said the depths needed more.
More what? Point out where it stated it need collectables. Don't deflect, point it out exactly.
>Playing stupid
Okay, idiot. Let's do this slowly.
This post here
>The depths has potential but they need to actually put shit down there.
And then you said
>They did. The Depths are fine and fun to explore.
But then you said
>It just need more, new environment hazards.
Which would equate to the 'more shit' that the anon you replied to mentioned, essentially meaning that you agreed with him that it needed 'more shit'.
More shit could mean anything. Enemies, collectables, environmental hazards or in today's terms, 'content'. Now if you want to be pedantic and bring up collectables only, that only shows you won't concede and have nothing else to contribute to the discussion. It's your call. Admit defeat or we can end this discussion right now.
Your call.
Why are you wasting your time with a shitposter?
You never enjoyed catching someone with their pants down and watching them fidget around like a worm making excuses?
ESLgays are very, very stupid.
Yeah, they usually put more of a fight though.
It's laughable you're pretending to understand game design.
I get the weird feeling you're not the anon I'm replying to, don't know why.
I get the feeling morons like to double down when they get called idiots for putting words in another's mouth.
>another new IP
Did I trigger a discord server by agreeing with that anon?
Oh, right. morons tend to run when they get called stupid.
Damn that's clever, I'm stealing that one.
>ask for a button to skip the tutorial
>NOOO THAT'LL RUIN THE WHOLE GAME?! HOW DARE YOU?!
>Okay, idiot.
Getting mad because you're wrong is not an argument. Point out exactly where it says it needs collectables. Either stop deflecting or admit you don't know what you're talking about.
>I concede
Thank you, that's all you had to said.
Now run along.
moron.
>because of blind praise and the need to deflect all and any criticism.
What criticism?
They extended development 1 year to get Mineru's "dungeon" in the game, include all planned micro-DLCs in the base product, instead of the BotW Expansion slopfest, and raised it to a 70 dollar game.
Yeah fricking nah, I remember the narrative on Ganker like a decade ago where Nintendo was going to be the golden boy who would never dip their hands in DLC or paid online yet lo and behold it happened + moronic shit like Mercedes Benz DLC
>no DLC
thank fricking god we can move on from this incarnation of characters holy frick
botw was great, totk is dlc slop
they are working on a new zelda game that will actually be as impressionable as botw and release it alongside switch 2 launch
Excited to play it in 2030
>no master mode
nice, so I can skip it entirely. maybe it'll get a mod
Thanks for the laugh
>show a distaste for TOTK's intro segment where you just walk down a hallway and then watch a cutscene where Ganon insta-beats you
>can't skip this segment
>ask why there isn't a button to just go right into the tutorial
>entire fandom explodes into sheer rage and screams at me
this is the masterpiece you guys spoke so highly of?
And just when the thread dies you show up.
What happened to your earlier claim that I only post in Eric threads? I doubt he'd call Nintendo pro-consumer.
>dlc is inherently anti-consumer
Okay poor
I guess I’ll just jailbreak my switch now.
>no master mode
>no gold enemies with new horns
>no trial of the sword
>no new lore to explain who Ancient heros aspect is or the dragons
>no new dungeon with all nu sages present
>no new enemies down in the depths or just more to do down there in general
it feels less complete than BoTW
>>no trial of the sword
You would need a new power up. Fuse makes ToTK's MS better by default.
yeah but it's just given to you. it doesn't have the same sense of progression.
What's given to you? Fuse, MS, and an item that can reach above 60 isn't handed towards you.
Fuse is presented to you in one of the first four shrines atop the sky island. the trial to acquire it is very rudimentary compared to the trial of the sword. my reasoning here is that having stupid damage because you happened to get some items is fine, but saying that invalidates the chance to boost the base stats of your weapon i think is a stretch, as there's always room for adding effects too to make it more worthwhile.
>very rudimentary
It's still not handed to you. Stacking Fuse on a powered-up MS would just make it broken and outclass almost all other melee weapons since the damage would skyrocket while being near unbreakable.
Far from it
See
I'm emulating Breath of the Wild on my PC right now.
I'm kinda looking forwards to emulating the sequel.
They're both excellent. But I'd advise having a break between the two to avoid burnout.
I mean, I have plenty of other games to go through too. It doesn't seem like the WiiU had a ton of games though? But I've got lots of other shit in queue.
Downloaded emulator collections was the best decision I ever made.
I played them back-to-back and didn't experience any burnout. Made it easier to examine all the changes.
why make a dlc for a "game" that is already in itself a dlc. if anything they're just admiting that what they made is just that, a fricking dlc and nintendies fell for it like the morons they are.
See
How many years did this DLC take to make? The team was probably thrilled to finally get it out the door.
so that’s the reason why Nintendo deleted it from their website.
Kys nintendogay
>No DLC for TOTK
Because it was the DLC
Sooo, no more content? this games getting permashelved.
>Paid online for P2P
>Pro consumer
Yeah either shill or moron