is not liking turn based strategy games an indication of a low IQ in a person?
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quick save quick load ad inifinum
honour mode
cheat engine
my only problem with turn based shit is that i cant speed up shit
Literally give me the option to put the game at x2/x10 speed
fricking losers
if anything turn based is for unskilled people and grandpas since you have an infinite time to make decisions
nobody plays that shit
you have time to make a decision, but once that decision is made there is no going back, you are committed and dont get to roll spam away to fix your mistake, your chance is gone.
>honour mode d-doesnt count
cope, chads play it
Stop pretending anyone cares about this game besides the Reddit romances.
Also PalWorld is better.
>play honor mode
>game glitches and I fall through the floor
>camera pans left for no reason because of delay
>hitbox is 10x larger than it should be and click on my own companions
>die due to shit that's just outright broken
The Save/Load feature in this game has been used more because the game is poorly made than because you're bad.
is 10x larger than it should be and click on my own companions
This so much, especially for the summoned elementals.
Only clinically insane morons would play Honour Mode with how buggy and generally fricked up the Act 3 is
I playing it right now, and I'm incredibly glad that I'm a paranoid bastard and that I'm still doing backups of my savefile, because that shit bugged out several times. Mizora at the Iron Throne bugged out, the blind Gondian c**t bugged out, the fresh Hotfix patch turned my Honour Mode into Custom Mode, etc.
>turn based gaems
>save files
>adjustable difficulty slider
roleplaying games are slopcore and destroys the fundamental challange of gaymes
No shit. It's an RPG, not a soulslike. The point is to roleplay. Play honor mode if you want a challenge.
>challange
ESL detected
If you wanted to cheat you could just install a cheat mod.
RNG is bad game design
Opponents don't always react the way you'd expect them to in multiplayer, that is inherently RNG.
Player behavior is not random, getting hit by an attack with 5% chance of hitting with maximum damage, with random critical hit bonus, is not the same as someone doing a hadouken instead of a light punch are two completely different situations.
RNG is just plain bad video game design.
Some people enjoy taking steps to mitigate or exploit randomness in a system
>Player behavior is not random, getting hit by an attack with 5% chance of hitting with maximum damage, with random critical hit bonus, is not the same as someone doing a hadouken instead of a light punch are two completely different situations.
>RNG is just plain bad video game design.
>if anything turn based is for unskilled people and grandpas since you have an infinite time to make decisions
So then because players are predictable then that means that the easier and more casual game is one that is multiplayer or action based. What a surprise.
If you can't deal with RNG you aren't good at games period.
based
I fail to see how that makes it good game design.
cringe
RNG works in XCOM because the entire game is built around expendable soldiers facing insurmountable odds.
luck is a skill
rng is perfectly good game design and only narrow minded brainlets would make such a wide generalization about a mechanic they personally don't like in specific circumstances, especially in games like BG3 were smart play and good character building mitigates bad rng by stacking rolls to your advantage
BG3 literally has a mechanic built in to make you miss if your RNG is too good, elden ring tier anti-game design
>he didn't turn off karmic dice
skill issue
>built in mechanic doesn't exist because it doesn't fit my narrative of BG3 not being a pile of shit
cope
>this mechanic that you can turn off isn't actually optional so I can continue to spend my time obsessively crying over a videogame I don't like because I crave negative attention
lol
>it doesn't exist b-because it just doesn't
cope you fricking loser, then have a nice day
>saying something is on a toggle is now saying it doesn't exist at all
no wonder you don't like RPGs if your reading comprehension is this bad
Cope then kys
the only one coping here is you friend, and I gotta say you aren't handling it very well.
cope
and then
have a nice day
someone contact this guy's handler, I think his bot broke
cope spammer
thanks for the laugh moron, I don't think I've ever seen someone so butthurt over a very simple refutation. go seek your negative attention elsewhere, I am done
Cope
Just turn it off you videogame-consuming mouthbreather moron. Typical videogame fan, honestly.
cope samegay loser
Skyrim?
DOOM?
you dont ironman?
why would you ever play ironman in one of the glitchiest games to come out in years?
This is a CRPG problem in general. It's used primarily to help players deal with game breaking bugs so that they can skip doing QA. You cannot press F5 in a JRPG because those games are actually well made.
>You cannot press F5 in a JRPG
because those games are made by people who have no clue how to implement saving outside predetermined checkpoints. There, I fixed it for you.
pokemon has allowed you save from anywhere since the first game bozo, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, quicksaves and quickloads are intentionally not included so you can't savescum every turn of every encounter
Oh wait you're literally a moron talking about something that's a console limitation then since gamepads just don't have enough buttons for QoL binds roflmao.
>loading mid combat is a controller issue
you're right they couldn't just have a menu to load mid fight in this menu based game, in which you navigate menus. it'd be impossible, there has to a set button for it, or it simply would not ever work! only so many menus allowed, I'm afraid.
>he's so mad he sees no difference between binds and menus
lole
anon your (bad) argument is that quicksaves and quickloads can ONLY work as binds, if the games were designed to be save and loaded mid game and didn't have access to those binds, they would instead use menus. but they don't, because they aren't designed to function that way.
Only for dodgy pickpocketing.
This is not exclusive to RPGs, a lot of PC games allow you to do this and the players screech if you remove it.
there are like 8 good turn based games.
>SMT
>SMT II
>SMT III
>SMT IV
>SMT V
>SMT DDS
>SMT DDS 2
which one am I missing?
wrong.
they are
>pokemon fire red
>pokemon platinum
>slay the spire
>darkest dungeon
>xcom 2
>pokemon gold
>hearthstone
>magic the gathering arena
>pokemon fire red
Yeah
>pokemon platinum
Everything past gen 3 is trash, change this to mystery dungeon blue rescue team
>slay the spire
'sal right
>darkest dungeon
Pretty good but gets old fast
>xcom 2
Enemy within was better
>pokemon gold
Lugia is cooler than ho-oh
>hearthstone
Only until goblins and gnomes came out and everything became dice rolls and coin flips
>magic the gathering arena
kek at the square cards
>Lugia is cooler than ho-oh
based and silverpilled
STS and Xcom are the only good ones on there and magic doesn't count
>smt4
>strange journey
>ffx
>fallout
>disgaea
>fe6
>dq3
>valkyria chronicles
Yes, not liking turn based, RTS, or CMS games is an indication of low IQ.
Or just someone who didn't grow up with a pc
I was playing Golden Sun on the GBA when I was 8, it's just an IQ thing.
I played red alert on psx with my grandpa (he loved killing russians) at 6 years old
Meant for
i like RTS but despise turn-based, they are fricking boring
Hell yeah twitter thread WOOO TWITTER THREAD!!
I always just maxx out the stats. Like It's impossible to play otherwise, you make your MC and just when you are about to go on immersive journey you suddenly have to fricking roleplay 8 different party memembers... like wtf, either add actual party AI so you could focus on yourself and have fluent experience, or give an option to somehow skip it. The whole fricking thing is so shit tbh, like a sad DM playing his campaign alone, except you don't have to foresight of knowing what's coming. Funny thing is even damn Dragon Age Origins, had auto-attack and basic spell instructions built in the fricking game.
Low IQ
Literally. Cant even figure out how to show spell tooltips.
>muh immersion
>muh "roleplaying" (as in quasi-troony play pretend)
>controlling multiple characters bad (because I am a troony trying to self-insert as one)
RPGs aren't for you.
I agree with the "you have to control the whole party" thing: it is bullshit that too many crpgs go for and leans in too much to micromanaging.
I dont want my characters to control themselves in persona 3, I certainly don't want them to do so when they also have to navigate around a battlefield.
AI control for enemies and non-party members is fine, because they do not need to think past the end of the battle. Allowing your party to do so would lead to the bots sucking all your resources up doing something moronic.
baldur’s gate 3 with a gambit system ripped from ffxii would be fantastic.
could probably be modded in too if they ever actually release mod tools, its just a bunch of if/or/and statements
The gambit system in FF12 is one of the best and most innovative systems in an rpg and it saddens me to my core that it died with FF12.
Based and correct
Autists stay malding
RPGs should be about playing as MY character, not playing a shitty chinese RTS knock-off with literallywhos OCs
>add party AI
This reminds of Persona 3 with its AI party members and how morons pissed themselves over that. It seems like no matter what devs do there will be a subset of mongoloids who struggle to play with children’s toys.
>Twitter screenshot threads
I have been genuinely wondering why these aren't a bannable offense. Anons can't form their own opinions, ask their own questions, discuss their own arguments, or express their own views. Everything comes from e-celebs, twitter, or Reddit.
Its strange. Unless its like news or habbenings thread, I don't understand posting off-site comments.
yeah.
>I don't understand posting off-site comments
who do you think posts this shit?, think for a minute, the answer will surprise you
Probably. There can be a lot of thought put into each action when youre playing on a difficulty that really matters, theres so many variables to consider, and its fun coming up with ways to complete a difficult encounter.
A lot of people dont dont want to (because its too much effort) or may not be able to think that hard, and just use the same actions and spells over and over on an easy difficulty where thats okay. At which point, yeah the combat would get boring.
Yeah its why Pokemon is better than Palworld because it requires more nuance and IQ
One of the people in my friend group is a hoodrat Black person and even he likes BG3, so you have to be genuinely moronic to dislike turn based combat
It's an indication that doing something to be "faithful" isn't what's in the best interest of making a decent game
BG3 is literally xcom when it comes to gameplay.
You mean NU-xcom, which is shit.
lazy homie greeks
Why don't they just represent the tabletop elements visually? Video game versions of other board games show you dice rolls and shit.
But you can see the dice rolls though??
I think they mean in the combat, which the numerical results can be seen in the combat log.
Because imagine having to visually roll for something every time you attack. That's extra shit the player goes through for no fricking reason. It's fine in tabletop because tabletop doesn't have animations or shitty code that can bog the game down. It'll get tiring.
Plus, saving throws are already represented in game.
Is been a while since I played but isnt there a "combat log" that literally says what everyone rolled?
yes you can hover over the attack and damage to see what was rolled to get that result
it's funny because he's a moron and you actually can see your dice results in the combat log that is unfortunately hidden by default with a little button you can press to see everything that has happened
but you literally see the dice rolls if you hover over the combat log
why are normalgays so moronic?
literal babby tier dice based games are too complicated for them
no wonder most games are just "PRESS X TO WIN" or cinematic bullshit
My problem even as someone who has played tabletop D&D is that a lot of the time the descriptions lie and you have to look at the dice roll itself to see what bonuses you're getting. And still there may be some inexplicable +1 in there somewhere
i dont trust the dice in bg3, when I have max inspiration points I often roll several 1’s in a row and once i burn the inspiration I start getting more believably random rolls.
theres definitely some weighted system in the background
Turn off Karmic Dice
It's weighted by default, you have to turn it off in the settings
i just have bad luck
>haha, i just have to roll higher than 1
>get 4 natural 1's in a row
the combat log has an exact breakdown of dicerolls
Same fricking guy btw
Grifters love their double standards. Blue haired holes aren't allowed to complain, but foppish greek "artists" are exempt.
i hope someone shoved this comic in his face when he complained about bg3
I don't like the guy or that comic, but him thinking the game is boring isn't him demanding the game bend to his tastes. the only part where he's incorrect is the game very much can show you the dice rolls in the combat log, but otherwise he isn't demanding the game be changed into an action title.
>Black person in the first panel giving the white a stink eye for no reason (yet)
just like in real life
If he was white you would've said
>le based aryan smelling the foid's evil intent before she opens her heckin' mouth....le so based....
i wouldnt say anything. malding troon..
Damn you should do that some more then, not saying anything
>I swing my sword
>I hit but no Crit
>why no Crit
>the dice said no
>what dice
>the ones you can’t see
I hate the morons that infest modern games. There is a lot of hidden number shit in all games. For some reason, homosexuals beeline to rpgs to cry and nothing else.
to be fair pillars of eternity are probably the best games ever made for satisfying that numbers autism of wanting to know exactly what your roll is or what a spell scales on or how it interacts with enemies and their defenses. I suspect that's Sawyer's doing because it really is genius how you can hover on some text and follow it all the way through the BUILT IN RESOURCES until you completely understand what happened if you so desire.
you can see the dice rolls in BG3, just hover the roll in the combat log and it'll show you the numbers.
Crits are pretty gay tho
BG3's turn based system is an actual negative. Enemies make their moves so slowly you'd think it was bugged.
I like old school "smart" computing games from the Infinity Engine/Diablo 1 era. Those programmers were obviously thrilled to create a system that automatically simulated a set of dice rolls. People were hyped for PoE Kickstarter because that is an old style of computer RPG. The turn based is just like a board game in comparison.
That sounds cool but I am too lazy to come up with 6 party members for Icewind Dale. Larian does the roleplaying for me so I can accomplish my goals like leveling up and real conversations with my party
turn based strategy games are great it's just that BG3 is trash.
i didn't like bg3's combat, but i liked the old fallout's combat. i think it's just that kind of dnd fricking sucking in terms of gameplay
You didn't like old fallouts combat, you liked the sprite work, really,really good sprite work
>Blowing a muties torso apart with a pistol, FIRE, plasma caster melting
>you didnt like shooting people in the eyes or dick
Found the gamelet who never played anything that wasnt fotm
Anon vats isn't special, its just a clever way to insure that the player doesn't just repetitively shoot things, while adding special contextual effects based on body part, f1 and 2 desperately need a "remaster"(I mean it in the most idealistic and faithful way possible), oh and don't pretend getting "Ian'nd" wasn't annoying as frick.
Forgot crotch shots were a thing, what did they even do?(except for feeling like RoboCop)
old Fallout combat is as shallow as a puddle, it's infinitely worse than BG3
Yes, the minimum IQ requeriment to play BG3 is 150 IQ, anything below that can play on story mode and enjoy the movie while steamrolling every encounter with cantrips.
More like jessica brappler
no IQ covers a broad range of problem solving
this filter would be better for checking attention spans
No but making Twitter threads on Ganker is
I like turn based but you can mod rtwp to be turn based but you can't do it the other way around.
They should of done what owlcat did with wotr.
Lol at captcha.
turn based encounters need to be designed specifically for turn based. wotr has absolutely terrible encounters and the game is a slog to play on turn based for that reason
>rtwp is so bad they didn't include it with their RT release
lol, lmao
You can't turn rtwp encounters into good turn based encounters, which is why owlcat games have AWFUL combat
>should of
>bg3
>turn based strategy
are you moronic?
anyway turn based is kino.
in kingmaker I use rtwp for trash mobs, why make it slower? for tricker fights I go TB
imagine feeling proud of being a nerd
Low Iq or adhd or both. ONLY liking turnbased game is indicative of autism however. Twitter homosexual is using Twitter, using meme speech, and appealing to group think to reinforce his views: Hes low iq.
>nooo, it actually is very de-
Shut up Black person, ELDRITCH BLAST
Is this all Warlocks do? I feel like the class drops off a cliff after level 5.
5e is tuned for low level adventures so yes. By the time they get anything good the adventure is over. Effective warlocks tend to either be SAD melee fighters since hexblades only care about cha or machinegun EB spammers.
It's D&D, no class matters besides wizard, if you are not a wizard you are locking yourself out of 90% of the system.
>Jumps, throws you off a cliff or something on top of you
Casters feel like shit in bg3 because that "tactical nuke" feel is pretty lame, also I just feel like the magic is boring damage stuff, it feels lacking in utility and support at times.
Because they removed and modified a lot of the shit from 5e which itself is a massive nerf compared to 3x
Warlok is just eldritch blast simulator
You get Hunger of Hadar at level 5 which is fun.
And that's when you should stop leveling and start multiclass.
5e warlocks are dogshit
and the only companion warlock in bg3 is EXXXTREMELY dogshit
Wyll is a bro though.
blacks can't be bros
doesn't mean shit when the other male companions that aren't Black Bro are Gay Bro, Bear Bro and Evil Bro
Ammon was also complete dogshit in NWN2, and terribly written as well.
Warlock is just a terrible class in general, which is fitting since it's just a Sorcerer for edgelord morons
Ammon was great and warlocks in 3.5 were much better than in 5e
>Ammon was great
Nobody who makes a path with demons can be great, especially not some moron with an epstein mansion of demons, even more relevant when said moron locks his mansion by using his bloodline as key and can't figure out that the girl he entered his mansion and killed in a fit of moron rage is (obviously) his granddaughter.
Ammon is dogshit at a mechanical level and even worse when it comes to writing, which is not a surprise since Obsidian made that pile of shit, or rather tried to since it was awfully unfinished as well.
>Is this all Warlocks do?
No, but you need a few more levels untill you get your other free spells/bound weapon. The other thing with Warlocks is that you get multiple casts of a high level spell per day since you replenish spell slots per short rest so at lvl 12 a Warlock can cast Hold Monster 9 times per day. If you have a bard in your part you can cast that spell 12 times. A Wizard for example can cast Hold Monster 4 times at lvl 12 per day while using Arcane Recovery. So the way Warlocks ''profit'' is their ability to cast multiple high level spells per day on top of all the free spells they can get. They don't have the utility and flexibility of Wizards or the modified spell effects of Sorcerers but can still be usefull if you know how to build them.
Have you tried a warlock with a bound weapon?
You mean pact of the blade? That's my main character that I multiclassed with a paladin.
Somebody ought to give me a real good reason why binding your pact weapon isn't automated
they're both fun in different ways
RTWP is like rolling a pair of dice down a staircase and you really don't know what the result is while in the heat of combat until it's over while TB is like rolling dice in the same spot over and over allowing you to meticulously decide every route
people who can't take turns are probably selfish
>JRPG turn based games
Pure slop that wastes your time as much as possible, very little strategy or engagement, even "tactical JRPGs" have very little going on.
>WRPG turn based
Actual depth and strategy, the gameplay is deeply interwoven with the ROLE PLAYING mechanics of your character and party.
Seriously though, it's hard to articulate but I originally thought turn based strategy was dogshit because my only experience was JRPGs and I was very surprised how much more fun it was when I played something that's actually competently made like DoS2. BG3 in particular is really really good, probably even the current peak without going into games that are ONLY combat.
All I do is make everyone a fighter and massacre groups of enemies with the attack button.
And that's find cuz you're playing a ROLE PLAYING GAME and the system is good enough to allow that. A party like that is gonna have unique strengths and weaknesses.
Compare that to a JRPG where there's little variety or room for unique parties. JRPGs typically try to force you to play specific strategies and this is generally seen in a lot of japanese games. "Playing smart" in their eyes is picking the exact optimized party structure for this specific boss, making sure to equip gems and spells or w/e that specifically target that bosses weaknesses and making sure to grind up time wasting fights so you can have enough revive potions to win. As opposed to design a combat system that allow you to approach encounters in several different ways and not feel like you're playing the game wrong.
I don't like jrpgs but "4 homies in a row" can work and be tactical, but I find most of it just looks like numbers bloat and drawn out animations.
the ones that put a spin on combat are more fun to me. I really liked radiant historia's grid that let you move and stack enemies for combos
That's a fair point, guess jap stuff just requires some innovation to be more palatable to a wider audience without compromising core appeal. I hope the japs go through a similar kind of "tech" craze the west had with shit like immsims and doom.
>D:OS2
>BG3
>Competently made
They're the definition of poorly made slop that wastes your time as much as possible, not like some TEShomosexual would know though, the only thing that gets worse than that is Bioware/Owlcat shit.
D:OS2 in particular is horribly designed and a huge step back from the first game somehow, despite the first game being also a glorified phone game.
turn based without some extra layers, such as positioning and the mechanics derived from it, are always going to be boring.
BG3 is alright but EO and PS2 era SMT absolutely mog it beyond compare.
Having a lot of options doesn't matter when you're using a core system as shit as 5e and most of those options are worthless gimmicks.
>play jarping
>not an rpg
A tale as old as time
>morrowindgay makes a stupid post
checks out.
i never particularly understood why people say JRPGs never had mechanics 'interwoven with roleplaying' when SM, Saga, Tactics Ogre, and FE had 'arr pee gee' mechanics with narrative choices that would subtly or majorly impact combat and story outcome flowing into different dungeons, maps, and combat scenarios.
meanwhile crap like FO is unengaging as it possibly can be in combat and most of the character building is complete shit. or stuff like morrowind has no narrative mechanics whatsoever.
BG3 has bad turned based combat relative to other games with turn based combat.
The tb genre is cursed, somehow xcom UFO still feels better than most, I think it's the way projectiles move in a 3d environment, makes things feel somehow more satisfying.
nice examples, you really provided a solid and sound argument.
it has nothing to do with IQ, and those that insist it does most likely have low IQ themselves, videogames are a hobby, not a lifestyle indicative of general intelligence
Sounds like something someone with liw IQ would say
I'm not discussing that, because this is a twitter thread.
nice reflexes, coordination and decision making, anon
lmao sexpest coomers filtered by 5E baby combat
and are too embarassed to admit they put it on journalist mode
No, but thinking that turn based = complicated or hard, is
>is not liking turn based strategy games an indication of a low IQ in a person?
Mate don't pretend you didn't quicksave and reload for every fight in this game.
You got it backwards. Morons need turn-based games cause their slow moron brains need more time to calculate simple mechanics like "move three spaces closer to the enemy".
And no, moron, don't compare your shitty video game combat to Chess like I know you were about to do. Chess takes actual strategy and intelligence, completely unlike your dumbed-down digital horse shit.
chess is moronic and boring
Chess takes autism to study and memorize all the winning and losing games/moves that have already been played by people smarter than you
Bg3 combat is awful
We had a video about this, well explained
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>say that "you can't be good at bg3" despite the fact that having even a little bit of knowledge about the gameand DND allow you to trivialize basically everything in the game.
this guy just got hard filtered .
>buy type of game you do not like
>you do not like it
>BUT IT WAS POPULAR ITS SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT I LIKE WTF
Why is it so hard for some people to understand that not all games will appeal to them? What is this nonsense of wanting everything to be tailor made for your specific preferences as if you were alone in the world?
I like TB games because they're casual, if I'm tired I can go by my own pace.
everything cool a spellcaster can do is concentrationshit, what a gay mechanic
BG3 is just a bad example for a variety of reasons, mostly the combination of huge encounters with individual enemy turns playing out in real time while you can only watch.
Pathfinder had more bullshit encounters than BG3 did. And by bullshit, I mean encounters where you WILL get wiped without dedicated buff bots, which I find really boring. The only combat encounters in BG3 I can say are bullshit is probably the Gith patrol at the bridge, and the second Hag fight if you don't know what to do. Everything else is doable if you're not an absolute midwit.
not liking turn based combat is fine.
insisting turn based combat in turn based combat games is fricking cringy af no cap.
Yes, people that hate turn based strategy games most likely have no internal monologue either.
Very much so. Incredibly low IQ if it's a tw*tter post saying it should be optional, as if the devs can just flip a switch and completely change everything about the game.
Is BG3 combat fun? Is it like Fire Emblem? I can't stand story games so I've never played a crpg
i liked the combat in DOS2 significantly more
Haven't played 2 yet, but I've played one. Co-op. The combat mechanics were great.
Ive been doing a co op run in BG3 with the same group i did in DOS2.
Despite the garbage fricking armor system I had a lot more fun with DOS2 compared to BG. My friends also agree.
for bg3 you really want to either be playing the origin characters or single player for the full experience. i feel like multiplayer actively hurts the game as opposed to dos2 making it much better.
Hello fellow barrelmancer
The combat is the strong point of most of their games but I can't help but feel like I should dislike the armor/magic resist system in that game because it encourages you to just build one damage type for the entire party which doesn't feel right in RPGs like this. Even if the alternative was OS1 where you could get stunlocked very fricking easily.
yes
It starts out fricking awful and gets better. Ultra low level combat is generally just unpleasant in DnD. It's basically competitive coin flipping because no one has any modifiers and your options are just very limited in general. Most actual 5e campaigns I've been in have only had a few very modest encounters at levels 1 and 2 or they just skipped it entirely and started at level 3, since that's when everyone has unlocked their subclass and the game generally starts feeling right. Meanwhile BG3 just throws fairly substantial encounters at you right off the bat. The numbers of enemies it's willing to throw at you at level 2 or 3 made me appreciate how much my real DMs tune their encounters.
Ultimately the game gets more pleasant as you gain more resources and abilities and get a better grasp of the system (or rather their implementation of the system). It also helps as you realize that, despite the story acting like the world's going to end if you waste even a moment, you can generally take rests without much or any consequence.
>Most actual 5e campaigns I've been in have only had a few very modest encounters at levels 1 and 2 or they just skipped it entirely and started at level 3, since that's when everyone has unlocked their subclass and the game generally starts feeling right.
More or less what BG3 does, really, you will likely get to lv3 before you even reach the grove.
bg3 is a bad game with mediocre combat
No but they should just go find another game to play that they like rather then b***hing online about how other games should change.
generally yes, but only because it is a genre that hasn't been marketed to normalgays successfully, yet
D&D sucks major dick, but it's the only one with any name recognition for normies, so we are stuck with that shit.
What would you suggest instead? Pathfinder?
Something built from the ground up for computers, something less gamey and more simulationist, what fails for tabletop because humans can't deal with lots of variables would work with computers, adapt Phoenix Command, go crazy.
No.
Saying they are outdated trash and should be replaced by action shooters, however, is.
bro took some randos opinion so personally that he came to Ganker for validation
>It doesn't need turn based combat
>It doesn't need fixed camera angles
>It doesn't need an easy mode
Y'all homies are the reason every western game is just generic slop. All you ever do is just b***h and moan and whine about everything and then wonder why you have no friends.
Yeah, probably, and I say that as someone who can't get on with turn based stuff. I'll happily admit it's not a problem with the genre, I'm just stupid and impatient and I want to control units directly. Real time with pause seems better since you can have the action going but pause to make decisions.
This is what happens when CRPGs and turn-based games hit the mainstream after years of being underground. I'm surprised it took this long.
I hate normie morons, I hate "picky" gamers who can't enjoy certain types of games. Back to your COD
How is Baldur's Gate less "underground" than Final Fantasy? Don't use sales numbers, everyone that bought it is still a social undesirable.
>Don't use sales numbers
That's literally the measure that defines "underground" or not lol
>everyone that bought it is still a social undesirable
Some of them are, and that's my point, they buy it because it's popular and they don't actually like these kinds of games
Yeah, I personally couldn't give two shits if the gaming industry collapsed by 50% tomorrow. The strong will survive. GTA is(was?) godlike though, don't play around with that.
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That's literally the measure that defines "underground" or not lol
It absolutely is not, an indie garage project with zero formal marketing can outsell a failed corporate campaign, that doesn't make the corporate campaign "underground"
>they buy it because it's popular and they don't actually like these kinds of games
I don't see any evidence of that. Sure it's bound to happen with any game that gets extra attention from Gamestop or whatever, but it seems like most people who bought the D&D game wanted a D&D game.
I misread your first reply I think, but I don't get your point. Yes, Baldurs Gate 3 was for sure a bigger hit than any modern Final Fantasy release. Hence why it reached even people who don't typically play these kinds of games, some came to love it, some (like OPs pic), shit on it.
I'm not gonna make assumptions about the noname in OP's pic, but why assume that he's a Call of Duty normie that hates everything that deviates from the American AAA formula? It's a huge assumption you're assigning to a lot of people. Most people who shit on BG3 here don't fit that description at all.
>why assume that he's a Call of Duty normie that hates everything that deviates from the American AAA formula?
Because he looks like he fits that description and this is Ganker not a formal debate. A quick look at his X proves me right in this case, some Xbox normie who probably never used a keyboard to play a game or a real RPG.
>It's a huge assumption you're assigning to a lot of people
>Most people who shit on BG3 here don't fit that description at all.
And I am not talking to them?
There's a difference between criticizing a game and criticizing a whole genre that you bought into fully knowing what it was.
You're trying to say a lot with really flimsy evidence, but you're also saying that criticizing a genre is going too far. It doesn't sound like you've thought about any of this.
You're going on full blown autism. Evidence of what? I'm just fricking talking about some twitter moron. I owe you no evidence, go look for it yourself idc.
> but you're also saying that criticizing a genre is going too far
In this context, yes. How is this even debatable? If you don't like a genre, then talk about it in that context. No need to be a moron and bring a game that you know is turn-based and shit on it for being that exact thing.
If this was any other genre, you'd immediately see it. What does this criticism achieve? This game is not for you, play another.
Let them do that so we can identify such individuals and rightfully shit on their shitty takes
I think the best way for gaming to recover would be to go back to only catering to autists, all normalgay pandering should end and they could be relegated to madden/fifa/nba live/ gta/ and cod forever. Everything else should be Kenshi levels of autism.
>I don't like turn-based combat!
Ok.
Enough people do that making it is economically viable.
Cry about it I guess?
You're not going to argue people out of finding something fun.
Let's be 100% straight real here senpai
What combat system would YOU pick for BG3??
Everyone complains about turn-based but bad action combat can be more boring than the most basic turn-based game
It's an RPG so it can only be turn based.
It's a D&D game so the system can only be D&D.
There's not much you can do about it other than playing games with better systems, even with a lot of house rules D&D is bound to be shit no matter the edition, don't listen to 3.5 cucks, it's still a godawful edition and for most things it's actually worse than 5E.
Champions of Norrath style
I'd do turn-based but allow the player to speed up combat animations for the love of god. Having to sit there while 10 goblin Black folk in a row have to run around and do their ponderous attack animations is grating as frick. Large encounters are downright insufferable. It doesn't help that ally NPCs are dumb as fricking bricks and will go run over to ledges just so the enemy can just shove them over for an instant kill.
It should be a survival crafting game like Palworld.
Boring, slow.
You are playing fricking commandos (1998) in turns
Lmao
pretty mid take tbh senpai frfr no cap
You're just an adhd zoomer that needs explosions or a guy running ontop of trains to keep attention
Turn based combat is fine. Crpgs are for homosexuals though.
Bg3 is the normiest of normies
Pathfinder: Kingmaker does it best with its toggle
Kingmaker is literally the worst of both worlds
>Encounter design is fundamentally made for RTwP which means attempting to play through the turn based mod makes every single encouter last half an hour because you have to kill dozens of mooks
>Spell design is also made for RTwP meaning you have even less useful spells as things like pit spells become unusable in turn based mode, especially because there's no selective recall like in WoTR
>Toggle completely breaks the system because you can abuse rapid switch to make the game recalculate turns, this leads to absurd shit in both games with the most egregious being Winter Witch being able to completely break the game by resetting time and enemy AI and becoming untouchable with Shrouded Step
How is WotR? Still a better RTwP experience or usable in TB?
It's mostly KM+
>Official turn based toggle, works marginally better than the KM mod but still has the same issues
>Marginally less hordes you mindlessly autoattack through so turn based isn't excruciatingly slow if you want to play with it
>Some QoL like a free, infinite spell recall cantrip so you can clean up your grease bukkake and your pits once you're done fighting so you don't need to wait hours irl for them to expire
>mythic level nonsense for even more stupid bullshit
>You still have to waste 10 minutes buffing before every fight
>Still buggy as shit
As for the combat itself, it's PF, you buff and watch your martial blob eat up everything, and/or you just stack AC into the hundreds and become invincible, not exactly riveting but decent if you like to see numbers going big (provided you know what is bugged and what isn't)
It requires a lot of patience.
It's a lot better than Kingmaker, but it still has entirely unnecessary trash fights all over the map, and with how completely braindead moronic the AI is, you rarely win a lot of time by switching to RTwP, unless you already built your squad that way.
More importantly, encounter design and pacing is still really shit, you will regularly run into enemies that seem to be put there specifically to waste your time.
The game is great in other aspects though, so it really depends in how much you are willing to tolerate for those cool moments and fun fights.
Might be, yeah.
>RNG shitcom shitfest
no thanks i play RTS instead
They should have been just copy NvN. It's turn based(basically) and with rolls too, but it's interactive and enjoyable.
The long combat sequences do make the game boring. Then the story and dialogue is mediocre, so I'd rather play something else.
sure, but still not buying your woke pro-zoophilic game
>turn-based = difficult/complex
What causes this? Low IQ? Mental illness?
>I think X is not fun
>Therefore X is objectively bad and no one in the world could possibly find it fun
When did this moronation hit critical mass
Why does Tactician difficulty give bonuses to your allies' dice rolls? They really couldn't check if an NPC is an enemy or not before giving the buff?
yes
Yes, and everyone knows that already.
>game is literally an adaptation of a turn based tabletop game
>complains it is turn based
I know BG1 and 2 had real time combat (although you still had to pause it here and there), but come the frick on.
I don't like dice games, I want to simulate things that are actually happening in reality and experience those things first hand. I'll use my wits and cleverness to overcome challenges in real-time as you do in real life instead of relying on time stopping at my convenience.
>my wits and cleverness
you’re missing the point if rpgs, the dice are to simulate the characters ability, not yours.
Precisely, that's why I don't like them very much.
aside from dark messiah what rpg has gameplay like this
I don't know, the thread is about turn-based strategy vs other forms of strategy.
you don't know a game that lets you do what you have a preference for?
Yes I do, I just don't know any RPGs that do. Try Immersive sims.
Like what
zoomers seething at turn based combat because short form content rotted their brains will never not be funny to me.
It's D&D.
It's.
Meant.
To be.
Bad.
Chud.
Real-time with pause was always based because you can in fact play it both ways, slowly and methodically or fast and chaotic. The problem with turn-based is always the time-consuming turn taking, the longer with more enemies. Not easy to create as much enemy variation when it's always about quality (not quantity).
Turn based games have their place, but for a game like Baldur;s gate, it should be a entirely possible for it to be RTS.
5e is balanced around the action economy
I need you to understand that what you're asking for is to only be able to swing or cast every six real-time seconds.
There are half a dozen or so other DnD games on PCs that are also RTS. Baldur's Gate attempting to lock you down to turn based is a developer's choice, or rather forced limitations probably due to dumb programming
If they're RTS' then they're not DnD.
They're hybrid and allow user freedom to play how they want.
>They're hybrid
They're a different thing entirely.
You can just not like dnd, anon. It's allowed.
>Its not dnd if you dont play it how I want to play enforced by this one game developer for this one time, and everyone else isnt playing dnd because I said so for this one thread about this one game that one dev decided upon doing it some other way
LMAO
>It's not dnd if it's an entirely different real-time system with different basic rules and systems and balancing
Correct.
DnD is a specific tabletop ruleset, not a setting.
chess isn't chess if it's suddenly realtime and hockey isn't hockey if it's turn-based.
>never played real time chess
LMAO
sure, you can play with the pieces however you want, but the actual game has defined rules
Frick off dumb Black person
I am right.
why does this guy look moronic all the time? like every of the time?
>rather forced limitations probably due to dumb programming
Reminds me of cyberpunk's forced first person gameplay decision over allowing users the option to play 3rd person.
It wasn't due to "immersion" as they claimed. But purely because they could not do the programming necessary to do proper movements lmao. The mod allowed users to see what the garbage programming was like
>turn based mode
>lets you slow down and plan your next move
>no that's bad reeeeeeeee i want my bing bing wahoo
>is not liking turn based strategy games an indication of a low IQ in a person?
I don't know
I don't care
I'm having fun playing both turn based games and real time games
have a nice day
Turn-based combat is great.
Larian's combat is dogshit.
I love commandos, silent storm and jagged alience.
I think video game RPGs are hilariously antiquated and are absolutely terrified of moving away from their PnP roots.
>I think video game RPGs are hilariously antiquated and are absolutely terrified of moving away from their PnP roots.
Why should they?
The genre has no reason to exist in a digital, interactive, real-time medium. The reason PnP games are turn-based and have stats and dice rolls is because it's literally all in your fricking head, and that's the best way of showing what's going on.
>real-time medium
Good, that's why it should exist in turn-based medium as it's the only good way of making a division between the player and player character.
>that's why *schizo bullshit*
trying too hard sweaty
RPGs aren't about you being strong, smart and fast, they're about your character being all of that.
Deal, schweatie,
cope Black person, you're moronic. a perfect BG3 consumer that didn't even beat act 1
I didn't consume bg3, tardlet. You're an idiot if you don't even comprehend that rpgs aren't about you.
You consumed and you enjoyed, and now you're here to tell us why since your belly feel good the game is the best ever
you're a drone
I accept your confetti.
I accept that BG3 is indefensible just like the last completely uninspired purposefully time wasting AAA release with a "gorillion sales" that you're not allowed to see
>I accept that BG3 is indefensible
Did I claim otherwise anywhere?
Yes you defended turn based because you're mentally moronic
Turn based is great
bg3 turn based is shit
As schrimple as that.
nope, liking turn based is like advocating everybody ride unicycles because you think it's superior to cars or bikes
you're mentally moronic
>is like advocating everybody ride unicycles
But I don't want turn-based for all video game genres.
Just most.
right you're mentally moronic, turn based is as indefensible as bg3.
Why do you hate video games?
Because you like them
Try again but with a food analogy because this one is horrible
no ones forcing you to play turn-based games. go back to your fighting games.
>is turn based good?
>objectively no, it's actually bad
>D-DIDN'T ASK
have a nice day
The joke is the only reason BG3 is turn based is because larian is a hack developer that couldn't make a good game if they were given 100 million dollars. They're the equivalent of a western fromsoft
depends. turn based gets a lot of hate because it's braindead in JRPGs. it's more indicative of ADHD than anything else.
Turn-based strategy is one thing.
Turn-slow dice rolls simply suck.
As always, Japanese turn based strategy > Western turn based strategy
>Turn based hater exists.
>Names games he hates.
>It's all goyslop trying to pander to people that hate turn based games/normalgays in general like troony's gate 3, FF, fatlus shit, etc, instead of something actually good or at least fine like falcom games.
Why is this always the case?
> Is not liking slow paced combat indicative of anything?
Yes it indicates you don't like slow paced combat.
Turn-cringe combat is NTR of games.
Undead Rome bros, to me.
How bullshit will this game be compared to Knight's Tale? I love KT but holy shit some levels are infuriating.
Is this KA: the RPG? It's pretty cool
Yep. Supposed to be a new standalone expansion where you play undead Romans.
Honestly part of me really wants them to take another shot at the total war clones.
Yet I am enjoying both front mission 1st remake and front mission 4. Also taste is always objective.
I've recently started to notice people on youtube can make really moronic "takes" on things.
Like they're reveling in being low iq, being something something adhd, shit on a game in a way thats not even pretending to be constructive hoping the audience finds mentally ill person ranting entertaining.
Youd think people are embarrassed that they dropped the mask and let everyone know what a low life vermin they are, but seems not.
turn based is for being comfy while you take in the story and emphasize with the characters, it's the recliner of game genres and that's a good thing
that's the problem, BG3's story and characters are shit
The story is a bit lame but I like the characters in general
my post wasnt about bg3 I find it distasteful for other reasons than being turnbased
It's indicative of someone not understanding more than immediate consequences towards an action. Complete lack of forethought.
exactly, which is why they're so popular with black people
REMINDER that blue checkmark twitter accounts get paid real money for engagement. They are making money off of your attention. Stop.
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palworld?
There's a little zoom zoom who's finding the peak of comedy spamming palworld in every thread unrelated to it and has been at it in earnest for like two days. Just check any new thread with less than 30 replies and in the first 10 you'll see the moron.
You guys are acting like trannies trying to subvert every video game to being the playstyle you like instead of just making or finding your own that fits your playstyle. It's like demanding chess be banned everywhere because you personally dislike how it's played.
turn based is objectively bad, it's antiquated nonsense only kept alive by asian subhumans because they couldn't get their reverse engineered slop to run on consoles, then somewhere along the line they fooled inbreds into thinking it was a proper genre
>turn-based is bad because (/misc/ schizo ranting)
>turn based is bad because it's based on the technological limitations of the japanese reverse engineered gambling simulators
yes
>turn based is bad because (irrelevant statement)
try again sweatie
Yes turn based is bad because it's based fundamentally on bad game design. Claiming 40 year old bad game design is actually competitive in the modern sense is laughable.
There is not a SINGLE defense of japanese style turn based gameplay and its equivalents like BG3
Try to explain why it's bad without just calling it bad or outdated, moron-kun
PS: FPS are based on Maze War which came out 50 years ago
first person shooters aren't based on technological limitations now are they? I guess you stamp your feet in rage when tetris clones don't get the attention they deserve
what the hell are you talking about
>objectively
A trait common in autistic people is not being able to understand that other people have differing opinions from yours. I don't think you understand what that word means.
Holy underage, GTFO
It's literally the opposite
turn-based gameplay is popular among slow witted genetic dead-ends who can't think fast to save their lives.
yes because fighting games are famously played by the most intelligent beings of society
ayup
Karmic dice, yay or nay?
nay
No its the other way aruond turn base games are literally made for morons that cannot make fast decisions and need to be explained everything slolwy.
>make BG1/BG2 have turn-based combat
>virtually nothing changes aside from it being slow and boring
>make BG3 have RTWP combat
>virtually nothing changes aside from you don't have to wait a million years for the AI to decide what to do
So what is the advantage?
The advantage is that women play your game as RTWP is pussy repellent that plays like Starcraft to them.
>rtwp is pussy repellent
dao exists
How come they don't let you speed up the enemies turn in these games? Not outright skip since you usually want to know what the enemies doing, but speed up their turns and attack animations to get back to making your own moves.
because the engine would do this
A lot have speedup, especially remasters, personally I like going normal speed (whatever that might be, ff9 turns are quite slow while fights in dragon quest take 5 seconds)
OMG IS THAT A LITERALLY WHO FROM FRICKING TWITTER? QUICK BETTER MAKE A FRICKING THREAD.
Turn-based is fine. BG3 is not.
You have to be a mouthbreathing moron to approve BG3 in any way.
sub-80 IQ people can't even roleplay
Turn based only exists to pad out the length of the game.
Bg3 is so empty and devoid of quests (literally only 1 quest in the entirety of Act 2) that they needed to make you feel like the game has depth and so they have turned based combat.
Otherwise you'd realize the game is fricking shallow and you got scammed.
Correct, turn based is the sloppiest of slop ever made by the japanese. There were multiple games that tried to iterate on the formula but the simplest most moronic formula was the one that stuck around and became slop like pokemon
I always thought turn-based was the low IQ choice because you can essentially pause and think about your 78 IQ gamer moves, whereas real-time combat doesn't give you that room to breathe.
However you also get diminishing returns depending on the complexity of systems involved. Skyrim can easily get away with real time combat because you can basically choose between fire, ice and lightning spells. But then again you're stopping time by going into your inventory and rummaging around for potion X and special arrow Y.
So setting up cool combos is kind of hard to do in real-time.
So the "ideal" high IQ format would be a game mechanic that lets you slow time or pause while combat normally progresses in real time. like an expensive potion that you'd need to brew or a special spell you'd need to cast to slow down time.
Speed is one of the things that affects the results of IQ tests so there's a very serious implication to your statement here.
Yeah, low IQ zoomers struggle at making decisions so when it comes to turn based games they either take several minutes for every turn or keep dying. Or uninstall and cope on twitter, of course.
No, some Tactical RPGS are actually good like FF tactics and Ogre Battle. BG3 is just degenerate trash
>literal who twitterhomosexual
KYS
A good turn based game will require you to think at least 2-3 steps ahead to what your next moves will be, and how that will change depending on the enemies movements. Proactive versus reactive play. A lot like chess in that way. Granted modern turn based are usually the Persona, press button to exploit weakness and win type game, so it depends.
any of you homies playing solasta?
recently finished the campaign on normal, now doing the lost valley dlc
some guy invited me to maybe join a dnd campaign so i wanted to try something faithful to it so i'm not wasting his time
but generally i dislike (j)rpgs, like turnbased tactical stuff, LOVE xcom
the story and world and characters are lame and boring and cookiecutter but somehow seemed less offensive than a story heavy experience where i think all characters feel obnoxious (bg3)
in the end, it's more like xcom than i expected wich is good
but i'm still 100 hours in sort of unsure how much i like it or not
it really made me apreciate xcom even more though, and i think i enjoy it more than the grindyness/jrpgishness of tactics ogre knights of lodis
any other games like this that for lack of better words "feel like xcom"
xcom has a lot of rng that can really frick you, but somehow it never feels like it, the higher level you get in solasta the more i feel like i can make tactical decisions, and can only grind in travel mode (i hate even being able to grind for no cost, no buying rations/casting goodberry doesnt count)
t. enjoyed my time with hard west 1 and 2 and showgunners recently
also hot take:
turn based games are infinitely better on controller,
if i want to frick up my arm after work, i'll play quake or unreal
tediously clicking on EVERYTHING over and over again is arguably the most RSI inducing bullshit i've ever experienced
solastsa is terrible for this as you need to switch between controller and mouse constantly for it to kind of work and it's frustrating as frick
pic related, my unfinished business mod fairy ranger
Every Twitter c**t who has to force their milquetoast engagement bait down your through by paying for the bluetick should be culled.
>need to spend 100 hours learning specific technical information and meta strategies in order to have fun
I'd rather not. Especially not for a cRPG (shit) in DnD's rule system (megashit).
Right? I just want to tell cloud to use flamethrower and watch a cutscene
>oh noes I must defend Trannies of the Coast products from the mean people online because California-based entertainment corporations are my only friends!
>cloud use flamethrower!
Absolutely mindbroken
if it takes you 100s of hours to learn how to play BG3 you're likely required to wear a helmet at all times
>be high iq
>cheese every encounter because turn based is a flawed and easily abused system (especially if you're high iq enough)
>my high iq brain isn't stimulated by this boring repetitive nonsense
Dynamic combat is le bad
DO AY SMEEL BEEEEEEEEF?!
I like the way modern SaGa does turn-based. Short and sweet fights that are still tactical and challenging. Positionals that matter through different formations, combo techs that may seem random but you can influence in some ways, severely limited methods to mass heal or heal at all in battle. LP system that sometimes threatens to put your character out of commission for awhile (or permanently in some games). The series always try to change things up a lot per entry, yet still never misses. Kamige
SaGa's always been pretty compelling with its gameplay despite always having some issues and wasted potential here and there.
The current generation of games is pretty interesting but SSG was crippled by lack of budget and the combat clearly suffered a lot from it despite being still very solid on some fronts, luckily EB showed that they're fixing everything that was wrong with it while expanding the system further and adding a lot of the things they had no money to implement in SSG.
>is not liking turn based strategy games an indication of a low IQ in a person?
No, but it does say something about how conditioned people are to crave instant and nonstop action fuled dopamine hits.
So tweets like that are just people going on twitter and shouting LOOK AT ME IM A COKE ADDICT!
I dunno I never understood the dopamine argument because I find that in turn based games the highs and lows are more extreme, as you have less direct control over the outcome. Taking that risky turn not healing, banking on getting a big hit or crit and landing it feels great, it's like low stakes gambling.
Normal people don't want the video game they paid for to start edging them and then start ruining their orgasms randomly, you fricking bawd.
But for real, inconsistency is aggravating to most players and turn based cRPGs almost all have to be heavily RNG dependent because they're trying to strictly copy tabletop dice-based systems. That's not even a good idea with a totally combat-oriented tabletop system but its infinitely more stupid when you're adapting a kitchen sink system and you have dozens of redundant mechanics that all intersect with RNG.
rng isn't the problem, it's designing combat the rewards you for your time by being fun. BG3 combat isn't fun, part of that is because it's turn based, part of it is because larian games suck
Everything becomes a compounding problem when your basic system sucks though
Not really, it's pretty easy to design combat with rng to be fun, the basic way would be to make encounters easier with lots of lower level opponents
the problem is larian's dogshit game doesn't have a way to speed up combat or turns and actually fricks up with the amount of enemies it has on the screen already. It's an unfun tedious game
You can't design a DnD 5e game that doesn't adhere to DnD 5e, though. That's the problem at the core of the system, not that the game has any kind of RNG at all.
You're mentally moronic, the problem with the game isn't 5e, the problem with the game is larian and the limitations of the engine. You could maybe make the argument that WOTC wouldn't allow a speed up feature, but I'm better that was more larian trying to prevent their engine from exploding
The problem with the game is absolutely 5e, its not a good combat system to begin with and all the conceptual benefits of a kitchen sink system allowing you to abstract the setting, characters, physics, magic etc. cease being benefits when you have an actual engine that can do all of that. What you're left with is a poorly balanced combat and magic system that's also saddled with all the baggage of being designed around abstracted elements that they no longer interact with.
>The problem with the game is absolutely 5e
no it's because it's a DOS 2 reskin which was trash also
you really need to learn what subjectivity and objectivity means, terribly sorry that your shitty third world schooling system failed your moronic ass, but why should we be subjected to your ineptitude? please just seal yourself away in a mental asylum so nobody else is subjected to your nonsense thoughts from a feeble mind
>screeching about school shootings
dilate troon
you're mistaking yourself as "every normal person". people ate up BG3, and they eat up pokemon on every release and both heavily feature RNG elements.
People ate up BG3 for the fantasy race sex scenes. That's literally the target audience for 5e well before BG3 started development - horny mentally ill teenagers who want something to project onto.
>eat up Pokemon on release
Pokemon is braindead and the battle RNG barely matters outside of top level competitive play where moves and strategies that aren't 100% consistent are considered largely unviable.
>that aren't 100% consistent are considered largely unviable.
you're right no one ever uses rock slide, or used scald, or any status ailment. not only are you wrong, but you're also BAD at pokemon. embarrassing really
Which is more popular in comp use, Earthquake or Rock Miss
are you seriously trying to argue that because earthquake is a popular damage dealing move that other moves that have rng based effects like flinching and burn are NON VIABLE? you're a clown
There's a small handful of mons and teams that commonly use inaccurate or inconsistent moves and strategies, and then there's 90% of other mons/teams that perform 100% consistently. This is normal for every videogame played at a high competitive tier, if they even have RNG factors at all. Inconsistent strategies are inherently less viable than consistent ones.
I'm sorry you're so mentally deficient that you think the handful of meta-viable inaccurate moves in comp pokemon make up more of the competitive movepool than shit like Earthquake or U-Turn that just does exactly what it says on the tin.
this is bugmen mentality by the way, and why esports is dead because the bugmen infest the scene with meta only gameplay
"meta only gameplay" is people trying to win. It's a competition. When they play in a non-competitive environment, maybe they use silly shit they wouldn't use for competing with, but the point isn't to throw away the opportunity to win because you're banking on something that's only 35% likely to happen or hoping that you don't hit a 10% miss that just loses you the entire match.
Every game has things that are better than other things in the context of performing efficiently. To claim otherwise is to claim ignorance of how reality works.
A bugman sees an opening for a play and doesn't take it because it's not something he's practiced 10,000 times over, that's why esports is dead
Your obsession with "bugmen" is more like a hivemind, unthinking response than anything esports players do. If you're only watching esports instead of playing them, I really don't think you have room to criticize. Go play games or watch players you actually like instead of complaining about them on a Tibetan calligraphy-sharing board.
Nah, bugmen turtle and farm and only use meta attacks which is boring and it's why esports is dead outside of western FPS which allows more improvisation which is what thinking men want to see
>inherently less viable
oh I thought they were completely non viable? what happened anon, you recovered a modicum of sense?
You need to work on your reading comprehension then
says the man who is literally making up my opinions because he can't read
>I'm sorry you're so mentally deficient that you think the handful of meta-viable inaccurate moves in comp pokemon make up more of the competitive movepool
I also never said this lmao
It just means they like good games
I see it more of an indication of a person not willing to try gameplay that they're not familiar or comfortable with. IQ has nothing to do with this.
Real time combat
>SWING SWOOSH CLANK POW BANG BANG BANG WOOSH CRACK SWING SWING BLAM CLANK FWOOOOM CRASH BOOM
Turn-based combat
>Click...
>...
>Pow
>...
>...
>...
>Click
>...
>Bang
>...
>...
>...
>Click...
>...
>Pow
>...
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>[You win]
And now the truth
>turn based combat
>10 encounters, all unique
>rtwp
trash encounters, all the exact same
I'll take 10000000 fun encounters over 10 boring "unique" encounters, thank you.
this is the cream
the game sucks because it's not fun, DOS 2 wasn't fun either. Larian tried to milk their unfun combat by creating "unique encounters"
it depends on the game but I found the regular trash mob fights in BG1 and 2 to be more boring, mostly because it was just me watching my dudes smack weaklings to death. It was faster than if they were turn based for sure but once you get to a certain power threshold all micro management goes out the window to instead watch the deathball sweep across the field. the challenge was always from the larger more important fights, or for prolonged dungeon crawls where every fight WAS a larger more important fight. I played on core rules in both BG1 and 2, and I haven't tried the pathfinder games yet so I can't speak for them.
Turn based combat existed solely because of hardware limitations. It existed for DnD because it was the only practical playstyle for a tabletop game. For a video game, especially now with technological advancements, it's simply dated and ridiculous. It doesn't make the game more challenging, more fun, more strategic, or more interactive. It just artificially inflates playtime by making encounters that should last 3 minutes take 15 minutes.
Also on a side note, there's some things that simply shouldn't be a skill roll and should just be a skill check. If you ask a strong man to lift 50lbs, it's not a roll of whether or not he can do it. He can do it 100% of the time guaranteed. If you're trying to pull a rusty lever, why would you only try one time, have to roll for it, and never try again? Conversely, if you're weak and roll to lift 400lbs, you shouldn't be able to "roll" for it. You're either able to do it or not, period. This is fine maybe for persuasion, perception, things of that nature, but sometimes they take rolling too far for shit you should just be able to see/do in any situation.
In regards to BG3, yeah the critical success and critical failure on skill checks are dumb, either you can do it or you can't and if your skills are high enough you should be able to pass without a roll.
On a side note of that, why the hell did they remove take 20 or take 10 on thievery checks?
If this is BG3
>kill about half of an encounters enemies without taking any damage
>the remaining ones are now too few to effectively oppose my party
>no real consequence to "death" so even a lucky last minute crit that downs an ally is not important
>yet I still have to grind through the last 10-30 minutes of combat
Actually just wastes your time
>cast the "I win" wizard spell, then use your martials to finish off the enemies that are still alive
>rest because to get "I win" spell back
D&D is fricking garbage
>username is visual fidelity
>cares a lot about graphics
>doesn't like turn based games
yeah real shocker morons who only care about shiny popular thing struggle with anything that requires you to stop and think.
>optional turn based or action
>designing literally two games within a game to revolve around those separate mechanics.
How to tards like this not understand what they're asking? Don't like turn based combat, then don't fricking play it, period.
Depends on what they like instead.
Turn-based games can lose a lot of their charm once you figure them out and the only thing that carries them past that point would be story, artwork, things that aren't related to the gameplay itself. You can keep it fresh with procedural generation, Darkest Dungeon 1 is a great example, but the format that turnbased and rtwp favor isn't really rpgs at all. It's stuff that plays like a board game. Board game videogames are a thing and they can be fantastically addictive.
That said, if you're going to hold something that a literal fricking monkey could play up as the holy grail above that, Ass Creed, God of War, Witcher, you're a moron. I had to listen to so many fricking morons last year try to act like Ragnarok was anything other than a fricking movie that convinced you that you were playing an actual beatemup like DmC.
I think if you've played a lot video games and you don't like any turn based games then yes, you're probably an idiot
I find both DOS1, DOS2, and BG3 fun
What now?
shoo, shoo, Swen!
BG1 and BG2 are RTWP, BG3 is just DOS3 and isn't a real Baldur's Gate, frick this woke shit
I liked RTwP as you can play it turn-based (free pause) but it doesn't waste your time having to wait for enemies.
rtwpgays always say this as a positive for some reason
every rtwp game I play, I’m like
>how do I get this to be actually turn based
instead of the jank shit that is pausing every millisecond
You don’t play video games
It is a positive. When it's cleanup or mindless combat yo don't waste as much time.
>I'm a subhuman moron
Weird how reality is the exact opposite of your OP post
I play them more than you zoomer
Zoomers and game journalists deserve the rope.
Why are turn-basedgays so elitist? It's like I'm in opposite land.
OP is a terminally online samegayging sociopath that has a notepad of hot topics he can be contrarian about and get attention for with minimal effort. And minimal effort to him is samegayging for 16 hours a day. Pretty much ever "RTwP is actually bad" thread ever made is by him
So then why are we sitting at 410 replies? Am I to assume that every turn-based advocate is just larping?
>why are we sitting at 410 replies
because he's tired from spamming palworld threads the past couple days
turn based has always been popular, always. the people parroting the "turn based is dead/dying" meme just pretend that Pokemon doesn't sell one shitzillion copies every time because it being turn based suddenly doesn't matter. same thing with persona, or dragon quest.
Preferring different styles of combat or gameplay? Not necessarily
Not liking any turn based style or being completely unable to engage with any turn based game? Absolutely
Probably, but I don't like turn-based RPGs either. I think it works in a game like BG3 because, honestly, I don't look at it like an RPG, I look at it as a tactics game. The fun of BG3 is lining enemies up for attacks, shoving them off cliffs and stuff like that. For that, I want it to be turn-based.
people who shit on turn-based are almost exclusively talking about rpgs where the combat is braindead 99% with a few upticks at the filter boss, final boss, and some super bosses. They are mostly correct in that assessment. They aren't really thinking about or considering shit like real strategy games, or chess, or card games, or the handful of rpgs that are actually worth a damn in terms of combat
Nah, it only really means that you lack patience. You can like turn base strategy and still be a moron.
You can like RTS or tactical strategy games and STILL be a moron.
Fricking hell, you can be somebody who ONLY plays non porn VNs that have like 2 options from time to time and somehow you can still be a moron that picks the wrong option every time and forgets to save, so you go back all the way to the start.
There are morons like this.
A games system doesn't filter people from wheter they play the game or not, they just filter themselves for who they are.
it's the opposite
turn-based is for people with low IQ who cant think fast enough for real time combat
turn-based is a lazy cop-out for devs who cant make good real time combat
Can I make friends with these characters in this BG3 game but not frick them? Can I have a Garrus type of bromance with these people or is it either fully neutral or sex?
If you get a companion's approval high enough they will try to frick you before even romancing you. their advances die down at act 3 save for halsin who tries to frick you right away.
>RNG is bad
It's literally a tabletop what are you talking about? Dice games have been around since the dawn of time.
And tabletop gameplay sucks ass, what's your point?
Time spent with friends can carry any game, the actual gameplay of dnd sucks ass
turnbase is fine but baldurs gate is slop
Turn-based should have died 20 years ago. It was there due to technical limitations. Nobody fricking plays pokemon because it's turn-based.
Based. Chess should be real time too, this isn't the middle age anymore.
Your absurdist scripted talking point replies betray your lack of an argument OP. I wonder how much better Ganker would be if you weren't responsible for most of the flame war threads
There are approximately zero games with fun real time party based combat.
Did the tencent schizo troony finally get banned?
Whoooooo
>real time is dark souls
shut up
Compare standard chess to blitz chess.
yes do you see any dumb people who are good at chess?
Yes
I like aper and pen D&D, especially 3.5e. I like BG1 and 2 alongside other CRPGs from the time. But generally, I don’t like the chessboard RPGs. Fire Emblem sucks and I never enjoyed the two games I played. Divinity 2 was pretty fun but only when I played with a friend. Xcom I didn’t get into much, I even played that Mario Rabbids game and quit after the 2nd world. I like RTS games more.
it's a lot of fun if you don't savescum. Turn based requires imagination though. You have to be envisioning the flow of the battle and the dramatic little moments make it all the sweeter. The saves, the critical successes, getting fricking savaged unexpectedly. It's a lot of fun if you take it in stride. Too many habitual gamers are too obsessive to even let a spell miss though, so they miss out on all of this. Without savescum, it's the closest you can come to playing with action figures as an adult. Everyone stuck in the savescrum timeloop because of their neurocies are playing the game like it's a chore, trying to mop the floor perfectly clean or some such shit
>requires imagination
>In a videogame
Why wouldn't I just play DnD(or some other tabletop)?
Good turn based combat is like a puzzle, it's no wonder the dull minded masses would be filtered.
>turn based combat is like a puzzle
?t=21
>Start combat
>sixteen enemies appear on screen
>They get the initiative to attack before me
>Eight enemies in a row attack Gale and KO him.
>My turn
>swing sword twice, action surge, swing sword twice
>now I have to wait sixteen turns to play as my guy again
Never was a problem in KOTOR or PoE.
>waiting 20+ seconds for 8 AIs to decide they want to dash
It has its flaws
Conceptually you wouldn't be wrong. But in practice most turn-based games target the "find menu weakness, repeat until XP is grinded" brainlet approach. So in most examples that aren't complex or involve real-time gimmicks it's the opposite.
in an ideal scenario turn based is chiller but more thinky but it often amounts to turnbased just being slower and less engaging.
for replayability and excitements sake turn based should have rng elements, this is a huge brainlet filter