There’s a lot of people that keep parroting this but after actually playing the game, I’m starting to think this is another case of "community wide headcanon" much like all hisuian mons being extinct or Pokémon being unable to naturally shrink. Of corse the game is set in the past of sinnoh, but there’s nothing implying that the main characters came from the future.From the way the game story is built like a typical isekai and how space time distortions functions (basically ultra wormhole with a different name), it would make much more sense for the MC to have come from another universe (most likely the real world) rather than a different time period.
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Literally Ingo, literally The Subway Boss, literally from Unova, literally the Black/White character.
Also Porygon.
Obviously there is no time travel, but rather it's an imaginary region created by the power of imagination. It's so obvious only a moron could fall for the false narrative presented in the game itself.
>pokemon LEGENDS arceus
you might be onto something there. Might explain paradoxical stuff about the game like hisuian zoroark existing despite zoroark being canonically unable to live in sinnoh
>despite zoroark being canonically unable to live in sinnoh
moron.
show me a single game set in sinnoh that has zoroark in it
PLA
anon tha game is set in hisui, not sinnoh
>character from the pre-mega timeline ending up in the mega timeline
yet another proof that it’s not time travel.
also porygon exist as a natural Pokémon in ultra spaces (aka other dimensions/universe). it being 100% manmade was only true in the pre-mega timeline.
Where's your confirmation that PLA is in the Mega Timeline?
>pla take place in the same timeline as sv, this is made obvious by the teal mask being filled with reference to the game.
>sv is confirmed to take place in the mega timeline due to referencing mega evolutions in roaring moon dex entry
It’s that simple
Before you revised it, this headcanon required that only games with megas as mechanic are in your "mega timeline".
>yet another proof that it’s not time travel.
PLA is post-SwSh axing Megas from mainline, so even by that copout you're wrong.
>also porygon exist as a natural Pokémon in ultra spaces (aka other dimensions/universe).
You mean rather exactly what Porygon Z was meant to do?
Have you considered that PLA could be the time-travel event creating the SV timeline? And there is no confirmation of a "Mega Timeline" outside the context of RSE/ORAS, which was phrased as discovery rather than existence.
The entire franchise is a wibbly-wobbly blob, with Sun and Moon explicitly being different timelines from eachother (by slight implication where humans are nocturnal for whatever reason)
>Have you considered that PLA could be the time-travel event creating the SV timeline
NTA but that's not how it works, a predestined event won't change time because it was meant to happen that way
The entire fricking point of Hisui 'mons in the prerelease material is that they were extinct come the original Sinnoh games, and (You), the PLA protagonist, get to save them.
The point being made in what you quoted is that Sun and Moon are "you literally visit the 12-hour-offset other" parallel universes to eachother. The "Mega Timeline" is from a poor reading of Delta Episode dialogue, interpreting the ORAS changes as signaling gens 6+ are a different reality from gens 1-5.
Every game pair is a pair of timelines. Rainbow Rocket Giovanni got the Magma and Aqua leaders from two different universes. There is a through-line of common "canon" events, but the official explanation for all the fiddly details that are off is "every title is its own universe".
And yet there's a prime timeline which regularly references past events frickwad - stretching back to Legends-era.
Again:
>There is a through-line of common "canon" events, but the official explanation for all the fiddly details that are off is "every title is its own universe".
For another franchise to compare to, think of it like Into The Spiderverse's "Canon Events". There's a common through-line, but plentiful wobbly nonsense going on around it.
The main reason for leaning toward "timeline" instead of "parallel universe" is Rainbow Rocket in USUM, as that setup is utterly ridiculous for a "pure" non-temporally-related multiverse when you have the HGSS Celebi event confirming time travel.
...No, there's at least three through to B2W2, due to Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum. And in that case, the third versions are "definitive editions" by nature and thus the obvious "primary source".
No anon, I mean they write one story for the new gen, then add the alt differences to it. The events of Scarlet do not happen as coherently as the events of violet. Similarly the events of white do not happen coherently compared to the events of Black, where N takes the embodiment of ideals for his goal of freeing pokémon from human "slavery".
And the spiderverse is fricking with your ability to parse this shit. Rehashes are naught but a slightly different telling of the initial events (almost like an alternative dimension version) with BW2 being a three years later take and USM being an outright different universe to the SM one (given the expansion of Ultra Space and the addition of the URS). And are never considered when they talk their timeline (they like jumping to and fro within it - no modern new gen pair start before Gen 1/RG's events though and not all start after the other).
>The events of Scarlet do not happen as coherently as the events of violet.
You have this one completely backwards, only Scarlet makes sense at all
If you have brain damage, yes.
>a woman just up and leaving her child because dinosaurs
>when kids adore dinosaurs and women are genetically predisposed to giving their lives for their children if needs be
Your ma being a c**t doesn't equate to all mothers being so. I miss mine dearly every day.
Pretty sure anon was talking about how past paradoxes make more sense because they can survive into the present to be seen by Heath while future paradoxes can't.
Also the professor is explicitly crazy.
The point of a paradox is they shouldn't exist. It doesn't matter a frick if they can "live in the present", the fact they live at all it contrary to reality of the pokémon world. And when they state in-game cyclizar lived with humans since ancient times (implying from first emergence of humans/cyclizars) then Koraidon could not have existed, ruling out all past paradoxes. But there is a chance that cyclizar could get cybernetic enhancements/improvements to turn it into Miraidon and all the future paradoxes undergoing this kind of treatment too. They're not robots - they don't act or adhere to the tropes GF established, even if they skirt them. But this is again a discussion morons refuse to engage honestly with, because they might have played an alt story and can't accept not being the canon pick.
And the answer to your ignorant question lies in the fact there's "two timelines" - they have a canon story and a alt version story of each game aside from Gen 1 which didn't have a story as such it was just "yo, collect all da pokeymans". The question is are you willing to accept this or rail at it, given you potentially picked an alt version or two during your progression through the series?
There are three.
Platinium is different timeline than DP, Emerald is different than RS.
>The entire fricking point of Hisui 'mons in the prerelease material is that they were extinct come the original Sinnoh games, and (You), the PLA protagonist, get to save them.
Not really.
>"every title is its own universe".
This is also headcanon, you were correct on the rest.
>Why do people insist there are “timelines?”
Pokemon fans in general have poor reading comprehension skills so the idea of "timeline" is used interchangeably with "universe", which there are confirmed multiple of.
>ORAS confirms every game is its own multiverse with the Link Cable and the Teams’ comments in the Battle Frontier.
This is an example of what I mean, you are repeating a 10 year old headcanon.
>The entire franchise is a wibbly-wobbly blob, with Sun and Moon explicitly being different timelines from eachother (by slight implication where humans are nocturnal for whatever reason)
The lead Gen pairs are all considered part of the prime timeline - the one that started with the events of Kanto/Hoenn then followed by Johto/Sinnoh before the Unovan incident, the Kalos kerfuffle, the Galarian crisis and then finally to date the Paldean paradox. SM is set ten years after RGB with Red and Green/Blue/the boy as young adults in the battle tree, the timeframe between it, SS and SV are unknown as of yet. Because the lead gen pairs are the only ones the bulk of the original and first-hire staff, who made everything from RG through to Platinum, before they hired a bunch of college grads to make HGSS, while the oldgays expanded and started work on BW. Meanwhile, events of the rehashes routinely get ignored when the new gen games call back to past tiles, because they're not actually canon to the timeline. And due to the hot, intelligent history teacher having old photos and designs for early pokéballs on her board, we know Legends is similarly part of the prime timeline canon (as if it being both a sequel and prequel to a canon lead gen pair wasn't enough to legitimise it to people).
> events of the rehashes routinely get ignored when the new gen games call back to past tiles
Blue, Yellow and Crystal, barely change thingsm but Juan appears in PWT, Looker appears in a frickton of later games.
>rehash character appears in a rehash
Which changes absolutely nothing about the prime timeline.
That was a description of the "upper versions", not a lore discussion.
Same fricking thing, you drippy c**t. If they're all upper versions and they only consider the paired new gen releases when referencing history in new paired new gen games, then they functionally don't exist regarding the lore.
>Same fricking thing
It isn't. At all.
Try a simplier franchise anon.
what a moronic headcanon.
>character from the pre-mega timeline ending up in the mega timeline
That's an actual "community wide headcanon"
>it being 100% manmade was only true in the pre-mega timeline.
Even your favorite poketuber considers LGPE and its multiple appearances after to be "mega timeline".
>also porygon exist as a natural Pokémon in ultra spaces (aka other dimensions/universe). it being 100% manmade was only true in the pre-mega timeline.
Literally every Gen 7 Pokedex entry says it's an artificial Pokemon, what the frick are you on about.
Your interpretation is incredibly incorrect. Notably for BW, there's implications that Black and White take place in different universes and Cynthia explicitly mentions a trainer who faced Giratina which strongly implies they both take place after a version of Platinum's events. There's also a dubious interpretation from BW's Entralink that every person's save is it's own universe but that's borderline speculation even though I'm convinced. The point is the broad strokes of every game are true, but the explicit events aren't as possible. Hell, GSC technically implies Yellow might be the canon prequel but that's definitely bullshit given how much Anime shit is in it that's simply not brought up ever again.
>there's implications that Black and White take place in different universes
Its where the multiverse was actually introduced.
Explicitly yes, but given the version system existing sort of implied it already you could be forgiven for assuming it already, especially with Emerald and Platinum changing the story of the games they're based on. Reading between the lines is needed sometimes, if you're waiting on confirmation of some things it might never come.
>Explicitly yes
Then there's no "implications".
>It is a manmade Pokémon. Since it doesn't breathe, people are eager to try it in any environment.
Gold entry. The Porygon in Ultra Space were released there by people wanting to try it in an extradimensional environment. This culminated in unaffiliated devs wanting to make a Porygon that could specifically traverse alternate dimensions, leading to Z.
>Its programming was modified to enable work in alien dimensions. It did not work as planned.
From Platinum.
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You're right. Clearly Arceus actually has the power to create from imagination and Hisui is just a land created by somebody's wish.
your character has a cell phone and cell phones presumably haven't been invented yet in hisui
>cell phone rather than rotom phone
So the MC does come from the real world where Pokemon don’t exist. Good to know
Before Rotom Phones became a thing in the franchise, normal, real tools like phones and shit were used.
It's an Arceus phone
I think the devs just do what they want with the games and don't care that much about continuity or larger narratives.
And you're all autismos that can't realize that and keep trying to make sense out of all of this.
>keep trying to make sense out of all of this.
99% of the "issues" people shit about are made up.
Pla has amazing lore but its all hidden.
It tells the story that repeats itself.
>it's not time travel!
>It just HAPPENS to be in a world that looks exactly like Sinnoh from the past!! It's just dimension hopping!!
Oh boy here we go.
>look exactly like sinnoh
Clearly not since there’s an entire missing archipelago
>all hisuian mons being extinct
Only literal mouth breathing morons ever thought this. There's no such thing as something that's "extinct" in Pokemon, a world literally full of time travel and magic science revival machines, the very concept alone is headcanon. Why the frick would they make a pokemon that you can't ever catch and buy toys of?
>A prehistoric and long-extinct Pokémon that was resurrected from a fossil. Swims by twisting its 10 tentacles about.
>Why the frick would they make a pokemon that you can't ever catch and buy toys of?
Please stop anon. That's my favorite pokemon, and it hurts to be reminded
Don’t worry anon, it will still be dexcut in the shitty bw remake.
Never meet anyone that had furfrou as a favourite
I think it's neat cool even, just never favorite tier
Sometimes i believe hisui is just the alternate dimension cyrus created at the end of DP and every character instead of being just ancestors are rebooted characters think of jojo SBR or the stone ocean's ending as an example
BDSP is the soulless world cyrus wanted
>people saying PLA sinnoh is the past or an imaginary world
>NO ONE realizing its just a virtual world like SAO and protag is stuck in a video game where arceus is the admin
Hey Rotom!Alexa, play crossing field
The reason Arceus can't send the protagonist back to the "present" is because not only is Hisui a virtual world, the protagonists are just brain scans of real people Arceus transported there after they put on a strange headset. Since they're just virtual and don't actually exist, they can't escape the digital Sinnoh
Gamefreak isn't good enough to pull that kind of twist.
Or the MC was caught in an event similar to the end of "The Last Battle" in the Narnia series (where everyone dies and Aslan/God saves them). The MC can't return to the present, as their body is supposedly lost in some tragic event where their family died too but Arceus had a plan and saved them, allowing them to live out the life they would have lost otherwise afterwards.
>(basically ultra wormhole with a different name)
Sinnohbros are not going to like this one
ITT: People who didn't pay attention to the pokemon lore
It's very clearly time travel.
It's not even complicated at all. Very straight forward in it's presentation
Why do people insist there are “timelines?”
ORAS confirms every game is its own multiverse with the Link Cable and the Teams’ comments in the Battle Frontier.
You are also assuming that the characters are brought from the original DP. We know the main character from BDSP is the one brought to LA. BDSP didn’t have Megas. LA didn’t have Megas,
Assuming the game website can be trusted, jubilife village and city are the same, and characters that we meet in the game are ancestors of other characters.
That ignores the elephant in the room of Jubilife city being directly north of Sandgem town, but Sandgem flats and the areas north of it being far away from Jubilife village. Jubilife village becomes Canalave city, Jubilife city gets founded in the obsidian fieldlands, south of the ridge that splits off to the flower grove that becomes Floaroma town. My brother in christ I beseech you: play the fricking games.
None of these are insurmountable issues
>sandgem flats is far away
It's slightly west, where twinleaf is in the modern day. The current sandgem town appears to be flooded, so perhaps when the location dried up they decided that was the best place to put the town.
>Jubilife and Canalave
Theyre literally right next to each other in sinnoh. What most likely happened is that it expanded into the area that is currently jubilife city, and then the body of water that makes up route 218 got so wide that the city split up into two.
It really isn't and the fact you ignore TWO fricking games of evidence just speaks to how up their own arse /vp/ are about the kiddy series. They CAN'T have read it incorrectly, despite being fricking introduced to it while children. I wasn't a child when it started up, thus when I saw a town in Hisui with a river running through it and a beach named Sandgem flats, my brain was bale to fugure out where the modern locations were supposed to be sat.
There's an unused map of a modern day room, plus the MCs clothes when they first appear. Also, the MC themselves name the arc "phone" implying they are from an era where they're common.
The MC definitely comes from a modern-day setting, even if its from another universe which is ultimately irrelevant.
>most likely the real world
MC has previous experience with pokemon.
Look at what the MC wears and tel me it's from the fricking Meiji era. Also, the MC canonically tells other characters that in his world there were either gyms or contest halls at the end of the Daybreak Update.
I'm like halfway though the game and I'm replaying it for the first time in like two months because I was very in FF16. I started playing it more than a year ago. I think I'm not very into this game after all but I'm giving it another try right.