Is Pokémon shrinking the dumbest piece of official lore? There are a lot of holes in this and to cover for them you have to make even more moronic assumptions.
Is Pokmon shrinking the dumbest piece of official lore?
Is Pokémon shrinking the dumbest piece of official lore? There are a lot of holes in this and to cover for them you have to make even more moronic assumptions.
>Is Pokémon shrinking the dumbest piece of official lore? There are a lot of holes in this and to cover for them you have to make even more moronic assumptions.
This is Hisui-exclusive because laser technology wasn't available at the time.
So Pokemon stopped being able to naturally shrink after they invented the modern Poke Ball?
Maybe? Or maybe was less efficient?
It would be like the theory of use and disuse. If a Pokemon were no longer to do something then future generations of said Pokemon would lose that ability.
But this is giving Gamefreak the benefit of the doubt that they intentionally planned this and didnt just make shit up as they went along.
>GF bad because dont follow headcanon
Weismann proved that theory is bogus. Besides, the shrinking is just lazy writing because they liked the idea of carrying a creature around in your pocket and needed a quick explanation for how you would do so. As people have said energy conversion solves a lot of these problems and we don't need to know exactly how the technology works.
The original (Japanese) Pokemon lore from the 90s states that the discovery that Pokemon do this as a defense mechanism resulted in the modern Pokeball, so...
It's because people will always be trying to piece together the lore, no matter how convoluted it ends up as.
Also, in fairness to them, Super Smash Brothers Melee was (until that one BW anime episode which shows that Dragonite was shrunken down) the only English source we had on the matter, and it suggested Pokemon digitization.
It was always canon, stupid zoomer. It's even on the fricking games.
Always been true, the laser thing is early anime, they shrunk in every game (there is littarly none with laser except maybe Battle revolution on which case they shrunk before being beamed up.
There's a move from gen1 or gen2 that some pokemon can use to shrink themselves during battles to increase their evasion or whatever that stat is called in English. Play the games.
I have no idea why people care so much about this
It implies GF wrote lore for the games which is in direct opposition with the narrative that the lore is made by poketubers.
>the only English source we had on the matter
Lucian and the MCs mother in SM directly discuss shrinking.
>Lucian and the MCs mother in SM directly discuss shrinking
what
>Lucian
>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lucian/Quotes
The english says "curl" but it was badly translated
And the SM mother has a quote where she says she wishes she could shrink like her meowth, there's a pic floating around with screencaps of both things.
>every species laying eggs
Not a thing.
>completely ruin any chance of worldbuildin
Anon, "worldbuilding" isn't "following your favorite poketuber's headcanon". Sorry it took this to realize.
i wish eggs weren't a thing, but they are
i've tried to justify it as a purely gameplay thing that you're not meant to take seriously but practically everyone takes it as literal lore that every species, even the mammals, lay the same green spotted egg
and i don't even watch "poketubers", i'm way above the mental age to actually fall for that type of content, i just like immersive worlds and the thought of pokemon's world and the creatures that inhabit it is basically the only reason i still keep up with the franchise
>i've tried to justify it as a purely gameplay thing that you're not meant to take seriously
That's what it is.
>veryone takes it as literal lore that every species, even the mammals, lay the same green spotted egg
Only morons that don't play the games and follow poketubers claim that(sadly a majority here) but at that point it isn't an issue with eggs, its an issue with the fanbase. Blame them, not GF.
That's the actual lore, there's no connection between them.
How does mew create all the pokemon in the world?
It doesn't.
But if mew was the ancestor then what came in between it and the gen one pokedex?
We were never told.
And even gen 1 has pokemon that are man-made.
Probably through evolution
Maybe mew is the only ancient pokemon still around, and the rest are all "modern" pokemon
i imagine mew was initially just a cell that mitosed and started all life
it just kind of grew into an embryo much later but since it had godlike status it kind of just didnt really change other than that
Eggs are marsupial births taken to the extreme. Instead of a pouch on the mother's body, the mother places it in a protective cradle to get bathed in the energy of active pokémon to nourish it. The lore could be doing it this way allows wild 'mons to communally birth and rear offspring, reducing resource drain on the individual, while also allowing for a greater % of pokémon getting to full-term adult specimens.
But sure, "whaaa, dis am breaks muh headcanon of magical virgin birfs". You're just as moronic as the "pogeymans lay eggs" brigade, but the opposite spectrum.
i mean honestly, i'm just going to accept there's some stupid convoluted stuff in this kids game, and i'll also choose to willingly ignore it in favor of aspects i find more immersive. sure, it's possible for everything to lay the same egg, but come on. why can't the ones that're animals be similar to said animal? do insects really lay eggs that large? do frog mons not just make frogspawn?
NTA, but the actual lore already takes care of what you said.
>Eggs are marsupial births taken to the extreme. Instead of a pouch on the mother's body, the mother places it in a protective cradle to get bathed in the energy of active pokémon to nourish it.
>source: my ass and that pic of Elm's headcanon he made up after staring at broken shells
Pokémon definitely lay eggs
>Elm's writings on the topic came from the Japanese GS guide, similarly to Nidoran's in the previous Gen's book above
>eggs are once again stated to be cradles not eggs in Gen 6, some 14 years after the initial printing of the guide book
Sorry simple english in a kid's game eludes you
>no npc in a game has ever been wrong
>it's somehow better evidence than the official guide from the developers themselves, as opposed to a random noname NPC
Pokémon lay eggs. The entire planet agrees on it, yet you stubbornly refuse to accept it, in favor of the most ridiculous idea conceived, for which there exists no proof anyway.
You're the dumb one here anon. Sorry that your headcanon is bullshit.
>The entire planet agrees on it
Not one you pajeet c**ts write pokéon, thus your opinion's irrelevant. Tajiri said they make cradles, Masuda repeated it for you simpleton fricks, as he realised burgerville didn't get the memo, as Nintendo America didn't spend money on localising it properly and knew TPC would for all the good little gaijin in the dark and still you've proven you have neither the intellect or language capabilities to understand what the developers intend, because you grew up with the telly babysitter, who never lied to you. Die in a fire, raise the IQ of your townland a couple points.
>no proof
I accept your concession.
Elm's research is about what happens at the daycare. It also states he doesn't get why nidorina and nidoqueen don't have eggs.
Nidoran's comment is what happens in the wild.
Gen 1 zukan says they can't breed.
They're separate processes. One is the egg and the other is the cradle.
If you can accept pokeballs being a mistery you should be able to accept shrinking being too.
A bunch of dirty old men at game freak won't bother about children wondering about the birds and the bees, it's a mechanic that's just there and done.
I don't recall this, but even if that WAS the case, we went 12 years(2001 to 2013) before that episode I mentioned, or if you want to focus on your own claim, 15 years(to 2016.) 15 years of an established canon.
And?
How does that change the game making a statement?
It doesn't. My original claim had nothing to do with the game making a statement, but rather that the only English source for what the Pokeballs did was a game released in 2001 and stood for over a decade.
Are you really going to bring fricking smash as a source?
Because it's the one that almost everyone I saw making theories in the 2000s and early 2010s used, yes.
If I had access to the original guidebook, I'd show you, but unfortunately I am not rich, old and Japanese enough, nor able to even read Japanese fluently. You'll have to take my word that the first Japanese guidebooks for Gen 1 and 2 talked about this. This is also why eggs were a big deal, and why Pokemon weren't very well documented.
>https://archive.org/details/pokemon-illustrated-book-of-pocket-monsters-character-art-book-encyclopedia-poke/page/n15/mode/2up
Here you go.
I can read japanese, give me the page.
>theories are a source
This is why lore threads suck.
You twisted my words. Theories are simply attempts to fill in lore gaps from the source. They are not a source, nor are they lore unless confirmed.
I'm going to have to pass that to my friend who CAN read Japanese because I sure as frick can't, and I'm pretty sure he's busy making a visual novel or whatever so that's going to take a while.
I don't know what page it was on, this was just something he told me a while ago.
>They are not a source
>Super Smash Brothers Melee was (until that one BW anime episode which shows that Dragonite was shrunken down) the only English source
And what part of Super Smash Brothers Melee being the source implies that the theories are ALSO the source?
Imo, none, but when asked about bringing smash as a source you replied
.
And yet, "theories are a source" was a real argument used against me to try to discredit the validity of using Smash Brother Melee as a source.
Side games and spinoffs which talk about main game lore tend to be considered sources of lore for those main games, even if they're not directly related. Otherwise, guidebooks, manga and the anime would also not count, meaning that Professor Nishinomori(Guidebook-related, not the anime one) never existed and therefore shrinking is indeed a brand new explanation to the entire franchise, instead of being an established fact in Japan since 1998.
>And yet, "theories are a source" was a real argument used against me to try to discredit the validity of using Smash Brother Melee as a source.
Yes, because you said it is, as explained.
>How does the Pokemon get to enjoy that environment?
>How it the environment made in there?
Not explained. Doesn't suggest digitalization.
>The common consensus was that it was digitization
Again, you're bringing fandom consensus which is moronic even if the fanbase who could read.
>supported by the red beams of the anime.
You mean the beams that make the pokemon smaller to fit in a pocket sized ball? those beams?
I'm getting really frustrated trying to talk to you because I haven't moved out of the early 2010s when this kind of shit was acceptable, commonly agreed upon, and you have a hardline stance that it's most certainly not.
>Not explained
Yeah, so theories are made to fill the gaps.
>Again, you're bringing fandom consensus
Quantum mechanics was disagreed upon HEAVILY by those who were apart of the status quo. It was a headcanon effectively considered canon by the western fanbase until the first and second party Pokemon caught up.
>which is moronic even if the fanbase who could read.
?????
>those beams?
Professor Nishinomori (almost fatally) drugged a Pokemon(I think a Mankey?) and discovered Pokemon shrink as a defense mechanism.
I'm not exactly sure what the frick the beam's doing to incur the emergency "OH FRICK I'M GOING TO DIE" defense mechanism, but it sure as hell isn't drugging them.
>Yeah, so theories are made to fill the gaps.
You can't claim that smash suggest digitalization because you made a theory to fill a gap you made in your head.
You CAN claim smash suggest the pokemon live in a confortable environment inside the poke balls(AKA what your screenshot ACTUALLY said).
>It was a headcanon effectively considered canon
The fact that you have no issue pointing this out is the problem.
>?????
Sorry, I forgot you can't read. Ask anyone you know about ad populum.
>I'm not exactly sure what the frick the beam's doing to incur the emergency "OH FRICK I'M GOING TO DIE" defense mechanism, but it sure as hell isn't drugging them.
No one ever said poke balls activate the defense mechanism. This is the same shit others tried to claim in this thread that shrikining is healing. You're adding shit on to the official statement to pretend there are issues.
>You CAN claim smash suggest the pokemon live in a confortable environment inside the poke balls
So how do they fit a comfortable environment inside of the Pokeballs?
And again, do you honestly think that a Pokemon that lives in a volcano will be happy with a grassland, or a Pokemon which lives in the ocean will like the alpines?
>The fact that you have no issue pointing this out is the problem.
Because my argument has always been this, and yours is unrelated.
>Sorry, I forgot you can't read.
Sorry, I didn't realize deciphering irrelevant gibberish was a skill I was supposed to have. "even if the fanbase who could read" is not fricking English. Learn to fricking write in English before you start using the fallacy of relevance against me.
Speaking of which, the definition of a fallacy of relevance is "when the premise logically irrelevant to the conclusion." My premise doesn't appear to be irrelevant to the conclusion in the slightest.
>You're adding shit on to the official statement to pretend there are issues.
>According to the official story, the Monster Ball as we know it today was developed in 1925 based on the experience of Professor Nishinomori of Tamamushi University.
Professor Nishinomori, who was already nearing retirement due to old age, gave the wrong dosage of medicine to a macaque monkey, causing it to become debilitated. Perhaps out of survival instinct, the monkey shrunk its body and slipped into the professor's reading glasses case. This led to the discovery of the instinct of Pokémon to shrink and hide in a small space when they are weak, which is common to all Pokémon, and the development of a capturing ball that takes advantage of this instinct. The storage function of the ball and the transfer of the ball containing the Pokémon are not functions of the ball itself, but are based on the Pokémon's instinct.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB
>So how do they fit a comfortable environment inside of the Pokeballs?
Again, that's an entirely different question. Digitalization is not the only answer, if an answer at all.
>My premise doesn't appear to be irrelevant to the conclusion in the slightest.
Again, ask anyone what the actual fallacy I pointed out is and they'll explain it to you. Text won't do the trick.
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Anon, pokemon CAN shrink. The REASON they can is for survival, but what matters is that they CAN.
The Poke Ball utilizes the shrink ability they can use for survival to store them.
It doesn't active their spider-sense each time you return your mon back to its ball.
>Digitization is not the only answer, if an answer at all.
Then explain! Explain how the Pokeball can change!
>Text won't do the trick.
This implies you don't understand the fallacy in the first place.
>Pokemon can shrink
Yes, they can. The problem is that the shrink ability is tied to their defensive instincts. That implies it's involuntary, and therefore you need to somehow trigger this involuntary response. How the frick does that work? Last I checked, you can only get someone to involuntarily put their hand up to block their face if something is about to harass it, like a bright light or a ball coming at them.
Also, how does the beam return the Pokemon into the Pokeball anyways? As far as I'm aware, the manga which followed this lineage of lore had a very simple solution: DON'T.
>Then explain! Explain how the Pokeball can change!
I don't have to champion your source anon, you have.
>This implies you don't understand the fallacy in the first place.
If we didn't have multiple back an forth where you either contradict yourself or outright defend the validity of theories as proof then I might agree with this.
Not to mention you do seem to know how to use google so you could've looked it yourself.
>How the frick does that work?
We weren't told.
>you can only get someone to involuntarily put their hand up to block their face if something is about to harass it
You can't block your face with your hand voluntarily anon?
>Also, how does the beam return the Pokemon into the Pokeball anyways?
That's a separate aspect of the process. Probably not something worth explaining.
>As far as I'm aware, the manga which followed this lineage of lore had a very simple solution: DON'T.
Which manga? The one that explicitly shows the mon being small sized inside the pocket sized-balls?
>I don't have the champion your source
No no no, that's not how these debates work at all. I've presented my evidence and possibility, and you've suggested it's not the only one, and on top of that gave the claim that my possibility is potentially not even valid. Now you have to present counter-possibilities, or your claims of a counter-possibility fall flat.
>If we didn't have multiple back an forth where you either contradict yourself or outright defend the validity of theories as proof then I might agree with this
Let's look at my very first post, shall we?
>It's because people will always be trying to piece together the lore, no matter how convoluted it ends up as.
>Also, in fairness to them, Super Smash Brothers Melee was (until that one BW anime episode which shows that Dragonite was shrunken down) the only English source we had on the matter
Turns out BW wasn't the first one, there was a Kanto arc episode featuring Psyduck in one too, but Hypno's Naptime gets mentioned like once every two years at most, and I think the last Kanto episode I ever watched was Tower of Terror.
>suggested Pokemon digitization.
At no point have I ever said that it was concrete, only that it was a mere suggestion, and then I relied on the many theories crafted in the 2000s which came to this conclusion with this as its evidence to defend its validity as a source. The ad populum argument would've worked, however I then went on to state that
>Side games and spinoffs which talk about main game lore tend to be considered sources of lore for those main games, even if they're not directly related.
This argument right here provides a pretty much perfect defense against ad populum, because spinoffs and side games both have to deal with corporate to keep things in line. You don't have Charizard being an ice type, or Pokemon having 8 moves or anything in any of the spin off and side games(except Conquest but Conquest was weird.)
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I lost most of my original writings but I think I've remembered most of it.
>You can't block your face with your hand voluntarily anon?
Oh no, I can, and I technically CAN trigger an involuntary reaction voluntarily, but that requires me to believe there is some reason to defend my face, like a fast ball coming down to hit me.
Would you rather I had used animal heat as my example of an involuntary reaction? As far as I know, you can't trigger THAT manually without directly messing with the hormones.
>We weren't told.
>Probably not something worth explaining.
And this is why theories exist.
>The one that explicitly shows the mon being small sized inside the pocket sized-balls?
Yeah, the one that follows the lineage of lore that Pokemon shrink down. It doesn't use a red beam, it uses a smoke screen, so yeah. A simple solution to the magical red beam stuff:DON'T USE IT.
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Also, that pic doesn't suggest "digitalization" in any way. Its pretty much the generic answer masuda gave a few years later that they showed a few times.
"since Poke Balls contain an environment specially designed for Pokemon comfort."
How does the Pokemon get to enjoy that environment? How it the environment made in there? Clearly, some Pokemon have VERY different environmental needs, how does it accommodate these increasingly varied needs?
The common consensus was that it was digitization, supported by the red beams of the anime.
Headcanon autism
People are really stubborn when it comes to accepting the knowledge they took for granted was wrong all along
What's more moronic is proving your attention span was insignificant seemingly given you missed it had been part of the games since the start.
same thing happens when pokemon faint, they just become very very tiny that's why you can't catch them
Yep, something else displayed in Gen 1 games - they shrink down off the opposite side of the field.
No they don't. The sprite just falls down with a flush sound. That said the sprite clearly enlarges from a "shrunken" form when its sent out on the opposite side of the field, but that doesn't reverse when it dies in gen 1.
That's because it's supposed to represent the pokemon falling down.
The anime and manga both are in agreement that the balls turn Pokemon into a beam of light upon capture. This animation doesnt necessarily imply shrink is real and could just be a graphical limitation.
The manga isn't canon
>The anime and manga both are in agreement that the balls turn Pokemon into a beam of light upon capture
Headcanon, the manga unilaterally uses a puff of smoke, usually with an action word like "BOMP", before displaying the pokémon shrunken down in the ball.
Just say next time you watched the show created by a drunken mental, who disregarded the canon lore to write her own shit up.
Best girl detected
Maybe but every game after show them shrinking
Wow, I clicked on that gif expecting it to be something using Minimize and your idiot logic being "durrr technically any pokemon could learn this move guise" but your actual reasoning is far more moronic. Well done I guess.
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Then why doesnt every pokemon know minimize? If its always been canon that all pokemon have the ability to shrink... then why dont they have the abiluty to shrink?
Shrinking is dumb because it's unnecessary. Pokemon (and items) still have to turn into energy when they go to the pc.
What holes?
>REEEEE WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE THINGS CALLED POCKET MONSTERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO BECOME POCKET SIZED?
You don't need to make any assumptions though. You know they shrink. That's the only fact you need. Everything else can follow after that.
How the frick do you think the trading works dumbass? They literally shrink down to the size of an electron and then ride the electric cable to the other device. Explain how this works without them all being able to shrink like Antman.
Pokemon are stored as data in the PC. When you trade them, it's a data transfer. Even in shrinking lore no pokemon has ever been stated to shrink down to an atomic level, just small enough to fit into something the size of a baseball.
>data
Citation needed.
>Technology is incredible! You can now store and recall items and Pokemon as data via PC!
Literally talk to the first NPC in the first pokemon game. What did you figure happens when you store and withdraw pokemon from a computer?
Technology in this context was not the advancement into some magical mass manipulator from pure, unadulterated math and theories, but from the study of how pokemon already purely worked.
Anon asked me to prove that it's stated that pokemon are stored as data, and that's all I did. I wasn't discussing anything about magic.
Yeah, you did. How did they store them as data? How do you physically do that to a being if they cannot naturally shrink to the size of data and move along gold wire roads? You are implying it's thoughtless technomagick when it all makes logical sense if you simply think about it for a bit.
>Yeah, you did.
What the frick are you talking about anon? Let me retread the conversation for you.
>Q: How do you think trading works without shrinking?
>A: The game says pokemon are stored as data, so it can trade them in the form of data.
>Q: (Anon wants citation for claim that pokemon are stored as data)
>A: (Provide ingame quote)
Then you show up and keep insisting I'm bringing my own points about magic into this discussion? I don't care "how" they're stored as data, I'm literally just discussing a fact that the game itself states. You're talking as if I'm the one who created the lore and asking me to explain how it happens? Outside of the scope of the fricking point that pokemon canonically turn into data.
>How do you physically do that to a being if they cannot naturally shrink to the size of data and move along gold wire roads?
Shrinking down to the size of an electron doesn't give you the properties of an electron. Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds that just because you're that small means you ride a copper wire like an amusement park slide? lmao. Pokemon shrink but its never been stated they go that small, anyways -- if they did, youd never be able to catch them, they would literally vanish
even if groudon is a giant godzilla it needs to be shrunk down to be classified as a “pocket monster”
Verily. I prefer my scifi lite.
So what you have then?
The old "They turn to energy."
That never happened.
No but that's what I'd rather headcanon.
Yeah, who cares about the actual content in the actual official material.
Yeah, its clear by Gen 1 they were running out of ideas. GEn -3 was better.
how do they go into the pc
That's a different thing to going into pokeballs.
That's the PC transaction, not the pokeball one.
Stop bringing this unrelated shit up.
they can literally go to pc btch
I prefer this one, it better fits with Kanto's theme of technology
>Kanto's theme of technology
Your picrel was the first anime I ever disliked upon watching, brings back memories of getting into anime and checking anime off a list written on old schoolbook paper by a friend. Thanks for the unintentional nostalgia, anon.
Same, the anime even shows red shift and blue shift.
The whole pokeball lore is silly
I have absolutely no doubt that game freak just made this up as they went along
>POCKET monsters
yes, that is the dumbest piece of lore in a world where there are countless creatures and organizations capable of upending all of time and space that are routinely kept in check by children
Do they only shrink as a defense mechanism? Why do they shrink when they get a ball thrown at them? Why don't they shrink in battles to avoid every attack? Why don't they all have minimize?
Answer: because game freak are hacks
>why don't they [FANFIC]
>WTF GAYFREAK WHY DOES MY HEADCANON NOT MATCH WITH THE GAMES WTFFFFFFF
>why don't they fanfic
Nobody said that
You petulant fricking child, that's the beamtard "gotcha", ignoring Minimize is a move (thus pokémon using it in battle) but is established that not every pokémon learned to manipulate the ability to weaponise it on command.
This all boils down to were you raised buy the games or buy the telly, because those that got brainwashed by the tellybox are the only ones insisting the devs are wrong about the series their founder fricking created and is still working at the studio to influence esoterical shit like lore and intent of presentation.
>can't refute any of the points
Meds, now
I just ignore PLA and consider it not canon
i think pokemon shrinking and every species laying eggs are two really stupid things that completely ruin any chance of worldbuilding
They’ve played around with the egg thing a bit by saying the eggs are more like cradles for newly born Pokémon to stay in until they’re strong enough to venture out.
That *is* the world building
Just because it doesn't fall in line with real world animals doesn't make it not worldbuilding
No one in-universe knows how pokemon are born, even though guys like Professor Elm devote their lives to studying it.
>"We have no idea where it came from..."
I used to think this was just adults not wanting to talk about the birds and the bees with a 10yo, but apparently they are being 100% literal and no one in history has every witnessed pokemon birth. In other words, Gamefreaks are hacks and shit at lore building.
and that's why you've gotta just stick with your own headcanons sometimes
a kid's game can get REALLY stupid on account of the creators just not giving enough of a shit or just trying to sanitize it, so you've got to just ignore some dumb stuff and come up with headcanons
>and that's why you've gotta just stick with your own headcanons sometimes
If you gays actually did that you wouldn't try to impose it on everyone else.
>I used to think this was just adults not wanting to talk about the birds and the bees with a 10yo
Which was always absolutely moronic because what happens IRL is that the kids are told a made up story. Parents don't tell their sons they just appeared out of nowhere.
> In other words, Gamefreaks are hacks and shit at lore building.
As discussed in this thread, just because they don't follow your favorite poketuber's headcanon doesn't make them bad.
>The problem isn't that the lore exists
At some point you'll have to accept that's your actual problem.
In HGSS we see a Pokémon egg being created. Arceus simply wills it into existence.
>"we see a literal god create an egg of a pokémon birthed at the beginning of creation"
Arcesus created a whole new universe (the implication was it created ours, given the real-world stills added to the event), just to give you a new Creation-tier pokémon. It had to "create an egg" as it couldn't be born from nothingness, the world had shape, form and a natural order that EVERYTHING (including Arceus) adhered to.
And that still doesn't explain how the rest of the eggs appear, unless you're claiming Arceus did them too.
That's exactly what I'm saying. We're told that eggs simply appear and then we see Arceus create one. A deity willing life into existence is not farfetched, it's a staple of religions.
That's a massive reach, considering it was locked behind an event many people wouldn't see (I needed a /vp/ distro Arceus, because I never got the ones in my region when they were going).
And again, kangaroos are a thing in our world, Kangaskhan's based off tree kangaroos, for frick's sake. It's not as if gestation outside the womb is an alien concept to the real world. Why is it so difficult to accept in the pokémon world, especially with what we've been told from its introduction from the devs?
Not working out for you, sales of games have risen drastically over the Switch generation. Non-lead games are getting closer to lead pair title totals, new pair games are starting to reach all-time total marks. Games are hitting their marks and more (because as always, they developed the games to launch alongside the handheld-only, kiddified Switch unit to drive uptake) so by definition, it is working out for them.
>That's a massive reach
In a world where there are magical creatures walking around, where there is a literal creator god around and we see it create an egg, is it really a reach that he creates other eggs too?
>considering it was locked behind an event many people wouldn't see
Irrelevant. The event was out in Japan and that's all that matters. Hell, nobody got to see the Darkrai event outside of Japan either but Darkrai's powers and his relationship with Cresselia is canon.
I don't fully agree with the anon you're replying to but they hid the entire motivation of the johto rival in a timed event too.
Ok HOLD on so what is an egg then? There has to be a creature in the pokemon world that hatches from eggs to be able to claim "maybe these aren't eggs but nests", otherwise the concept of an "egg" shouldn't exist in the first place.
What about Chansey eggs? Is it carrying a Happiny the moment it evolves into a Chansey? This is all just absurd and lazy writing, just like how a Kanghaskan hatches with a baby kangha.
I think it's been said since gen 1 that pokemon shrink when they need to heal, and the pokeball abuses this fact
Apparently some scientist guy came up with it when he drugged his primeape
>I think it's been said since gen 1
no
Well it's been said in here, which came out in 1996
that book also says animals are real in the pokemon world
They are
How come we never see any? What distinguishes a Pokémon from a creature that is not a Pokémon?
Because gamefreak are flanderising the games
In gen 1 and 2 there are many references to real animals
>How come we never see any?
Game isn't about animals.
>What distinguishes a Pokémon from a creature that is not a Pokémon?
Not being in the conventional evolutionary tree, shrinking, sudden evolution, ability to use moves, genetic access to the elememental powers of the universe, etc.
>could just shrink itself
>decides to become stone
why did kyogre did it?
KORAIDON KICK, SHRINK YOURSELF TO THE SIZE OF AN ATOM SO YOU CAN HEAL YOURSELF
It's funny how, right after PLA, koraidon just faints normaly, entirely disregarding shrink theorygays
Ooor, this is part of that pesky separation of gameplay and lore trope we often see, especially as wild pokémon pop out of the ground (inferring they unshrunk), shrink when KO'ed in battle and NPC pokémon unshrink and shrink when sent out/recalled in battle also.
Almost as if they wanted to tell a story about the moronic puppybike...
wow it's like making pokemon shrink when fainting makes impossible to portray multiple theoretical scenarios and GF was stupid to bring this up in PLA to begin with
>impossible to portray multiple theoretical scenarios
I can't think of any
you just saw one, Koraidon didn't shrink after fainting, therefore, shrinking isn't canon anymore
Not my fault nupokemon is bad
I was actually annoyed by this when I experienced it in the game, people get too hung up on lore garbage though. The setting is just a vague background so people can throw pocket monsters at each other.
> people get too hung up on lore garbage though.
If you expect it to do something different to the lore then you're not "hung up" on it.
When Koraidon faints?
the beginning of the game. Faints near the beach, after fighting the other koraidon
Why didn't the sick Ampharos or sick Miltank in Johto shrink to recover?
Probably because shrinking was never implied to recover your health?
Don't pokemon shrink when injured or fainted as a defense mechanism to avoid death?
Yes.
Because they didn't faint or something
So if you own a Pokemon and it faints isn't there a possibility that it might shrink on reflex and you might never find it?
You recall them to the ball
What if you can't do it in time?
In time for what
In time for them to not shrink to the point that you can't find them.
I assume that recalling a pokemon is some convenient magical process that returns them to the ball if you're near them
Please do not notice how those 2 Houndours levitate slightly above the sand that their shadows don't even connect to their model properly, also please ignore how in the Penny licking scene Koraidon's lower jaw randomly clips thru its neck-tire for a moment before that cinematic ends.
do you even play other games besides pokemon? clipping is the most common thing in the world
>implying these games are worth playing even pirated
I'm only waiting for the PKMN model-rips get converted into SFM format for ease of churning-out porn animations cause I'm too moronic to use Blender
>I'm too moronic to use Blender
>Says the anon using arcane 2000s tech that shouldn't even fricking work and only like 2 people can actually get it to even remotely resemble functional software
>Said software probably doesn't even actually exist at this point
So should I just switch to modding Sims4 with frickable Pokemon and then record it via Freemake?
What's the lore of mew and ditto?
actual lore or /vp/ lore?
Actual lore
I think the idea that ditto is a clone of mew was disregarded by the developers
If pokemon shrink, what happens to all of the mass? A shrunken down snorlax is still going to weigh the same as a non-shrunken one, it's not like a gecko that drops its tail. At least the energy-line of thinking involves some form of manipulating the creature's actual mass.
Yes, you're playing a game for kids and not hard scifi.
>The conservation of mass is considered 'hard scifi'
The utter state. Energy it is.
Yes. Bothering with unrelated shit solely for the sake of scientific consistency is hard scifi.
If you want that, go for the multiple franchises that attempt at doing that.
You guys must be really stupid when this was a thing since Pokemon Stadium
>pocket monsters
>they become tiny
unbelievable.
I like the mystery around the earlier gens. None of this arceus trash to explain some of the more bandaged parts of pokemon lore.
We're talking about something from the literal Gen 1 that has nothing to do with Arceus.
That's why I said earlier gens
Wow what if pokemon could shrink humans wouldn't that be fun
the only people who get mad at this are the morons who think pokemon are supposed to be animals
I'm confused now, the wiki seems to support the energy idea of the pokeball
If a pokeball is crushed with a pokemon inside, does it die?
if Pokéballs have the power to shrink things why aren't they used on anything other than Pokemon? could be used to store large amounts of items and people
Are you moronic? Pokemon have the involuntary ability to shrink, the pokeballs just forced that to happen. Pokeballs can't make anything shrink
There has never been a single canon source backing up the whole "pokemon turn into light and get into magitech ball" thing, in the original Pokemon Red and Green guide they say pokemon shrink, in Platinum they say pokemon shrink, in Legends they say pokemon shrink, in the Pokemon Daisuki website they say Bill created the PC system which turns pokemon into data (something unrelated to the pokeballs, which were already a thing back then) and the entire existence of Kurt's business disproves the magitech bullshit because the guy makes pokeball out of fruit with a chisel and hammer.
Only a moron unable to separate adaptations from the source material can see something wrong with the Pocket Monsters being able to turn pocket sized.
I think it's just because it's what happened in the anime
pokemon have always been shown to shrink but it was never a common piece of lore that they shrunk on their own without any inducement from a pokeball. That red and green guide was not well known here until just over a year ago. It was logical to think that the pokeball was needed because it was the very tool used to make them pocket sized/transportable
Pokeballs are magitech, as they all have some kind of built-in tractor beam. Kurt's business still makes no sense.
>but the non-canon adaptation...
Did you even read the post you replied to? Can you even read?
So what is the canon explanation of how fainted pokemon return to their balls? The trainer searches the field for their microscopic body and manually puts it back in?
No the trainer says "return" and inshallah
It's quite literally explained in the Red and Green encyclopedia. Like, they came up with the idea of Pokeballs PRECISELY because they saw how pokemon shrink and search for shelter when they are KO, moron
How can they search for anything if they're fainted?
Because they faint only after they find somewhere safe to hide
The whole shrinking thing is part of a natural reaction the pokemon has, that's probably part of it. Do you actively think about putting your hands in front of your face or do you simply do it when something is coming at your face? Maybe all pokeballs really are, the modern ones, are just an empty shell with a 5mW laser beam attached to it, and when a pokemon is shrunk it feels an affinity for that light it was formerly caught and shined with, so it literally rides the beam back into the ball. Shrinking can make so much of the tech work and make realistic physical sense for why they developed it so fast. I mean just look at the only thing holding us back technologically right now, it's literally just "we can't shrink transistors small enough."
>a hollow fruit traps pokemon
Now that just creates more questions.
It doesn't, any kind of capsular object can be used as shelter for them because they are POCKET MONSTERS and thus can become pocket sized
>Every pokemon shrinks
>Only a few of them learn Minimize
Explain this
It's a bit like how I could learn to run a marathon but I haven't
Same reason not all pokemon with jaws can learn Bite.
The overwhelming majority of Pokemon that have sharp beaks, fangs, or notably powerful jaws learn bite, crunch, or any of the special fang moves.
This is actually proving the point. You could in fact be trained to run a marathon, it's within your capabilities. But very few Pokemon can actually learn Minimize even though they all have the ability to shrink, allegedly, to the size of electrons to fit through a link cable.
>This is actually proving the point
Yes, that's why I said it
The ability to shrink is an involuntary action triggered by certain things. Some pokemon have the ability to control their size directly, hence minimize
The problem isn't that the lore exists, it's that it only exists when it's convenient. If every pokemon can shrink there's no reason nets or rope would ever work to capture them. If every pokemon can shrink to be small enough to avoid notice until they want to fight, why can't every pokemon learn minimize.
>Is Pokémon shrinking the dumbest piece of official lore?
I think the flip-flopping on whether real world animals exist in Pokémon is dumber. This is the same world where bananas, nanab berries, and whatever fruit Tropius produces all coexist.
There's no flip-flopping really. They just don't discuss animals because the game isn't about them.
Which is fine and all, but it doesn't help when there are manuals for marketing guidelines that have a firm stance on the side that causes confusion and retcons, which some fans may take as gospel.
This just completely ruins gen one and two
Not really. Its not a lore guide, its a branding guide.
Other page discusses about not showing death. It doesn't mean pokemon(or human characters) are inmortal, it means its not something they want the brand to deal with.
It ignores the original Gen 1 and 2 lore, which took place in a world that was recovering from the sudden arrival of Pokemon. That was his point.
it ignores /vp/'s fanfiction*
Pokémon existed alongside animals for hundreds of years by the time Gen 1 happened, per Gen 1 lore. They only started studying them as a classification of creatures 150 years prior to Gen 1 events.
If you're going to talk old lore, best get it correct, not headcanon the thing, because you don't actually know it.
>never refer to POCKET MONSTERS as MONSTERS
I think it's pretty obvious at this point that animals don't really exist anymore. They've been doing a lot more lately to show the pokemon food chain and creating multiple Pokemon that provide food and don't die like Veluza, Klawf, and Clawitzer
>No bees
What pollinates the flowers?
>what is combee?
>what is Ribombee, specifically said to collect pollent?
Dumbfrick.
>only in one region
And they're all too big to pollinate
Maybe you should have stopped napping in school anon
There's literally like three bee pokemon and tons of Bug pokemon who explicitly are mentioned to be pollinators you moron
No animals existing is a handwave, and a pretty lazy one too. What about humans? What about trees, grass, and flowers? Presumably bacteria and microbes exist too since characters get sick all the time. Are all of these things Pokemon?
What's the difference between a cherry, a Cheri Berry, and a Cherubi?
One shits, breeds, has eyes and a mouth, can be captured in a pokeball and has superpowers. It's not that complicated
We know microorganisms exist and are not considered pokemon. Many pokemon are stated to eat microorganisms and are filter feeders. And what about plants and humans?? There are humans, Pokemon, plants, and microorganisms. It's pretty cut and dry, the Pokemon world just has Pokemon instead of what we call animals. If it's not human and can be caught in a Pokeball, it's a Pokemon. Simple as. And no the anime is not a valid source on lore for the games, the rice balls are not Pokemon.
>nobody interjected with mentions of the Ultraman capsule monsters yet
I want summer to end…
That doesn't explain the lore of shrinking pokemans
Yes it does, because that's where GF stole that idea from when making their Capsule Monsters sales pitch to Nintendo - also reminder that they originally envisioned their game to have "≈100 versions" with a preset Pokemon being your starter randomly assigned to your cartridge ala' gachapon machine drops
They only stole the concept of it, not the workings of it
Pokemon/Capsule Monsters was also heavily inspired by Dragon Ball (and possibly other Toriyama works). You can see this very clearly in early concept art and some Pokemon designs like Rhydon. Lance also used to look like Vegeta.
Anyway, let's not digress. The point I was trying to make is that the concept of Capsule Monsters might very well be based on Capsules in DB, which can store huge, non-organic objects in tiny pods. It's based on the same principle of storing something big in a small container by shrinking it in some way. The small containers can be carried around until you press a button to "release" the content.
Pokeballs do pretty much the same, except it's not as clear if it's magic disguised as technology or an ability that all Pokemon have, while in DB it's stated to be technology that the Capsule Corp. developed.
Aren't there literally capsule monsters in Ultraman? Seems a lot more direct to me.
Yes. Ultraseven carries around a case of them by capsules he throws to release tamed monsters.
Also Chichi's helmet is a reference to him.
The original jobmons.
Also true. They are essentially decoys until Ultraseven can come in and kill the enemy monster.
It's possibly a factor too, but the point was that Pokémon drew quite a lot of inspiration and stylistic choices from Toriyama's work.
Professor Oak's lab
>Is Pokémon shrinking the dumbest piece of official lore?
Yes. Even in the modern world, the question of how Pokéballs work was never touched upon, nor did it need to be, because sometimes a bit of mystery adds to the magic of the world of Pokémon. They didn't need to do this. GF are honestly so strange.
God i wish i could shrink myself down
>Is Pokémon shrinking the dumbest piece of official lore?
Its perfect lore for a series centered around selling merchandise. Pokemon just LOVE being collected into little balls! Why not collect rthem all anon? Buy 50 Pikachu plushies!
You shouldn't waste too much time or energy trying to find consistency in lore which was written to be downstream from gameplay.
Pokemon turn into data, transmitted via light. That's what the laser in the Pokeball is. That's why you can store them in PCs. That's why you can trade them across continents.
Poke Balls being able to shrink other things has way more moronic implications than Pokemon being able to shrink.
All I get from this is that I can make my Gardevoir shrink and stick her in an orifice of my choosing.
>being an unironic lorecuck in the gen where LOL POKECENTERS EXIST IN OPEN AREAS OF WILDERNESS WITH NO PROTECTION OF ELEMENTS OR WILD MONS
This guy's never seen a rural hospital before. Yeah, having hospitals in frick off nowhere forests and mountains are actually pretty common. Pokecenters have also always gotten this treatment, from Gen 1 onward. Gen 5 I believe is the only one where they don't do that, and that's just because it's so paved over.
Show me a picture of a real life hospital that's just a desk sitting in the middle of the wilderness
(I haven't played Pokemon since US/UM, I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about.)
NTA but I think the reason PokeCenters in Paldea look like that is because they're meant to be like Gas Stations where you can "fill up" and buy snacks and shit.
Gas stations are actual buildings with room for storage, bathrooms, and basic utilities like air conditioning and heating. This is just a desk. The nurse and mart dude just stand there presumably all day in the middle of nowhere like the soulless npcs they are. Even in an abstract way, this kind of design is absurd and can't possibly function in-universe.
GF is making a video game they don’t care about people’s headcanon “real Pokemon”
It's not that far removed from old school pre-WW2 gas stations which were literally an 8x8' shack with a single pump outside. Sometimes they had windows, sometimes it was an open garage with a desk.
I seriously don't get why anyone would choose to be a lorecuck for pokemon, a series that very, very blatantly has straight up different eras of lore with gen 1 being its own weird alternate earth creation, gen2 retcons/melding of the previous, gen3 removing every(?) real world influence to have pokearth be its own world, gen6-7 introducing a pretty sloppily done multiverse concept that they've quietly dropped because actually figuring out how gens1-3 work timeline wise is way too hard for the scenario writers in their crunch-time whipped dungeon
Ironically gen5 being a soft reboot didn't actually change the lore too much lol
That isn't even close to be as complicated as most other big media franchises though.
Not to mention you have facts wrong which illustrates the real issue which lies in the fandom, not on the franchise.
The game confusing distance with time when you travel in USUM's post game, and the Galar fossil dex entries being verifiably fake really took me out of the games lore permanently. Like what's the point of even keeping track of any of this shit if it's just flavor that can be swapped out at any minute.
>The game confusing distance with time
When? When they say how far you travelled to an ultra wormhole? Because time doesn't go there.
Also, if those are enough to take you out then really don't go to any other franchise.
I can't think of any other series doing something as lore shattering as implying the entire Pokedex could be a flat out lie. Yes previous games had hyperbole, exaggeration and references to information from questionable in-universe lore. But now with the Galar fossils it's now safe to assume a lot of the information is straight up fabricated and not based in truth or legend. Just some butthole making stuff up.
You really need to experience a reboot(and actual one, not what you gays call BW).
Those are literally drama free though since they are clean slates.
Unless you do stupid shit like a DC reboot or the FF7 remake. But those are more convoluted than straight up broken like the current state of the Pokedex.
>Unless you do stupid shit like a DC reboot
Which is what most are.
>But those are more convoluted than straight up broken like the current state of the Pokedex.
You just want to b***h, gotcha.
It very directly does. Try learning to read.
>zoomies too young to remember the established lore insisting their nu-lore isn't a retcon
The absolute state.
Maybe I'm showing my age, but most zoomers would've been very active and into Pokemon and online when this was considered canon.
On a side note, did you know that promotional material for Gen 1 and 2 stated that double battles were illegal and too dangerous to do? Gen 3 was quick to retcon that. (Or maybe trainers caught up to their Pokemon at that point and got better at coordination.)
I don’t get why are people so mad about this line. Pla is a non canon spinoff . The story the player go trough in those game in an in universe legend that never actually happend. It’s only a matter of time before the sv dlc confirm this by treating the hisuian mons the same way ase the paradox mons: unnatural being born from the imagination magic of terapagos
moron
Hisui is directly mentioned in the history class already
>25+ years-old franchise acknowledges its previous installment in the latest one
Wait till you learn that having savegame data from PLA & SwSh stored on your console unlocks event Pokémon in BDSP…
>moron: PLA is noncanon and the story never actually happened
>SV directly references PLA and its events
>moron: WHA??? Your surprised it's canon?!
Not him BTW, are you a GF bootlicker or not?
Nothing Game Freak do to the Pokémon series is considered spin-off, moron-chan. Not even the game that at the very least repurposes a mobile game's gameplay AND breaks the lore of the original games is considered anything but a conon mainline game.
Thus Legends very much is part of this world they present, as if them re-using the Gen 4 protag aged up, the plot of Gen 4 re-tweaked, the countless call-forwards and references to events in past games/future timelines and basing the entire premise of the games on the upon the driving motive of the Gen 1 games, which was "Fill the Pokédex" wasn't enough to clue you in.
>A game literally from the get-go about space-time distortions
>HOW DO POKEYMANS SMALL??
Gee I fricking wonder. Maybe stick to Let's Go.
It's just game lore, because in the show that's never the case, a pokemon gets KO'd when they get those dumb swirly eyes and don't shrink.
Yeah, who cares about the original material of the franchise.
>Ok HOLD on so what is an egg then?
The one you get at the daycare? It's a cradle.
>here has to be a creature in the pokemon world that hatches from eggs to be able to claim "maybe these aren't eggs but nests", otherwise the concept of an "egg" shouldn't exist in the first place.
Not really if animals are there.
Chansey is directly addressed by Elm and he claims its protecting its offspring, yeah. This was before happiny of course.
OP is a gay.
>pokeballs are transparent now and mons just wait there trapped inside plastic
this is even worse and go against everything masuda said about pokeball lore
Masuda has no idea what he's talking about, what else is new. Don't trust the music guy to give you lore.
Right, we should listen to poketubers instead of people who actually work on the thing.
So you agree we should listen to Satoshi Tajiri who clearly has more authority on the subject than Masuda
Imagine all the tiny fainted pokémon you accidentally killed while walking on tall grass
PLA is official in the same way that Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is official. However, PLA, like PMD, is a spin-off, so I don't know how canon 'pokemon shrinking' really is to the mainline games.
>PLA is official in the same way that Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is official. However, PLA, like PMD, is a spin-off
If that were true, it wouldn't be listed on the official Japanese site along side all the other core games, but filtered out when "Display only Pocket Monsters series games" icon is selected.
You know, like all the actual spin-offs like Café and PMD were, because they're not actually part of the core Game Freak world.
They really should take a year and make a decent game. This whole 'a game a year' thing hasn't been working out for them.
>Is Pokémon shrinking the dumbest piece of official lore?
folk tales
Reminder that immaculate conceptiongays still can't explain why you are required to have one male and one female pokemon for an egg to magically appear.
Yes, its supposed to be a mistery.
Meanwhile you have to explain how skitty and wailord have sex and product a perfect species of the female.
Because God hates gays
My yeadcanon:
>Ancient pokebals use the properties of tumblestone and apricirns to forcefully make pokemon minimize (use the move even if they don't learn it).
This inspired pokeball craftsmen to experiment after they figured it out and someone tried a different capture move.
>The modern pokeball uses some fotm of energy stasis and teleportation tech to maintain a pokemon in mid-teleportation between capture and release
it's impressive how hard the anime carried the game at the beginning
Eggs come from veganas after being coomed in by a penis.
Source?
It may be dumb but that's the entire reason the series even exists. They're called Pocket Monsters because they can shrink and you can carry several of them at once.
I'd like an official lore-based reason too.
But I can only think about some edgy things that don't really feel like it could be part of the Pokemon lore like the Conjunction of the Spheres from the Witcher series. Some kind of cataclysm tens of thousands of years ago that trapped creatures from another universe into ours and they became dominant, replacing normal animals while being hostile to humans as seen in PLA. And they all happen to share that particular shrinking ability.
this is up there with flat earth gays in how convoluted these theories are.
i enjoyed the game way more than SV/SwSh but still havent played LgPE due to the controls being shit
pro controller support when?
I dont believe a single person arguing in favor of shrinking being good world building is arguing in good faith. Not one. You all know it is moronic but like using it to bait.
Right, because following poketuber headcanon is, as we all know, good faith.
They don't contradict each other so its the same.
If the fanbase could read we'd all accept the actual text presented and move on.
The 300 posts is on you.
Many of the things /vp/ questions more ARE from "Tajiriverse" though.
Yes because most of /vp/ are zoomers
I don't think it really effects the world building at all ether way. But that's why there's no problem with it. Except maybe everyone should be able to use minimize I guess.
ok we need to see the original japanese text
im betting 20 burgers this was a frick up in translation
The original japanese text says shrinks down too anon. It was a translation frick-up, but the opposite to what you're assuming because the frick-up was they didn't bother translating it in Gen 1 and told Nob Ogasawara in Gen 4 to change "shrink down" to curl up, because sliders hadn't been introduced to the concept of shrinking, due to only getting the telly view and not the game/universal explanation.
Isn't it funny since TPC took hold of translations, they actually translate the game scripts properly, instead of how burgers feel it should be presented?
Give me the 20 burgers
Ummm actually it was totally obvious that Pokemon shrink. No it doesn't matter if it was only written in one book nobody ever read and never mentioned anywhere else ever for thirty years
If you'd read the thread, it was mentioned in DP. The English translation just mistranslated it.
Ummm actually im agreeing with you sweatie. Its obvious to real fans that the grorious nipponese version proved this was true, which is why everyone knew it years ago and didn't just start talking about it when it dropped out of nowhere in PLA
Reistablidhing lore that has exist since the start of the franchise isn’t "dropping it out of nowhere in PLA", stupid borty
That's how we know you're a newbie. It was a huge deal on /vp/ the year before, when the fact that the guidebook existed found its way around the English community. Someone here on /vp/ even bought a copy to scan it in for us.
I've been on /vp/ since the early 2010's. We were fricking talking about shrinking lore back then, due to Lucian's quotes introducing the concept and dual-linguistic anons confirming it had been a thing for years in Japan. To see kids melt down today over the actual lore of the games proves they care more for the interpretation of some zoomie layabout on youtube than the actual lore of the games.
>Shrinking animations make lorefgs seethe
fricking jej
Why didn't he just shrink bros?
>nearly 300 posts for something Game Freak couldn't put five seconds of thought into
Pokemon lore and worldbuilding is shit. Has been and will always be shit. The moment you put more than a second's thought into this garbage, you've already lost.
That's why you don't think too hard about it, especially if you're an adult and understand they deliberately keep it wishy-washy to keep selling it to kids.
But that extends to not getting pissy when Game Freak DO go out their way to state lore, because they want kids to assimilate the knowledge presented.
Pokemon worldbuilding died as soon as Masuda helmed the production team. That's why I consistently regard TajiriVerse as the only canon universe in pokemon lore.
During the Great Pokewar I was captured as a POW and my Raichu shrunk down and hid in my butthole until we were rescued!
yes
they do shrink in the original manga
It essentially doesn't matter because they get digitized anyways.
A game with dated tech was like the only opportunity for this to even come up.
>"it doesn't matter becuse muh headcanon is all i care about"
And yet you b***h actual canon disagrees with your take...
Uh... Pokemon getting digitized is not headcanon.
Yes it is. Name one game where this happens? Pokemon are not digimon.
Not nearly as dumb as Galar's entire lore and infrastructure revolving around Eternatus (even the box legendaries are only famous in the first place for beating it) only for Eternatus to barely have any story or lore itself. It just exists.
Hey, if they can Dynamax, they can shrink.
That's specifically the result of Eternatus' farts changing them though. The shrinking is supposed to be inherent.
Dynamax is a projection and not the pokémon actually changing mass and growing taller though.
It's weird how that info is essentially isolated to a random sign in the middle of the tundra that a lot of people miss.
This has always been on the lore. When Pokémon vanish after fainting they’re actually shrinking to be microscopic. Apricorn balls and all the pre-modern balls shrunk Pokémon down to hold them. Even the modern Pokémon’s have been shown to store Pokémon in a shrunken state in the manga. The idea that pokemon get digitized is mostly a misinterpretation of the anime lasers and how the PC works.
In fact the shrinking is a explanation for a common gripe on the series. You know how big Pokémon like Groudon or Whailord are so much smaller than they should be when following you in the overworld or in battle? Well that makes a lot more sense when you consider that Pokémon can shrink. They literally just size down for convenience, either as a function of the Pokéball or the Pokémon itself just choosing to be smaller.
Screenshot from SV
>The idea that pokemon get digitized is mostly a misinterpretation of the anime lasers and how the PC works.
Wut? They would need to be digitized to be stored in digital form regardless. This is separate from the shrinking and does not contradict it, but it's still a distinct aspect of the world. The one Plasma guy in Black and White even talks about it when they plan to release people's pokemon forcefully.
I just didn't think about it because your pokemon are stored with held items in their balls so I just assumed the balls could shrink things in general. Same with item balls holding things like boots and helmets.
The Pokemon being able to shrink too is not contradictory, it just didn't seem necessary, at least not until Legends where we had to see how things were done a long time ago.
personally i consider the dumbest pieces of lore are the weird multiverse things they started hammering in around ORAS because they couldn't be bothered to pull their heads out their asses and accept the retcons that come with remaking a (then) ten-year-old game
>hurrrrr durrrr there's one hoenn with mega evolution and one without!
no one would have fricking cared if they just said "mega evolution doesn't exist in RSE because it wasn't a feature yet"
>are the weird multiverse things they started hammering in around ORAS because they couldn't be bothered to pull their heads out their asses and accept the retcons that come with remaking a (then) ten-year-old game
They didn't introduce the multiverse in ORAS and the reason wasn't to explain the differences, it was to nod to the game they were remaking and to add drama to the plotline. They didn't give a shit about the changing features. Zinnia just mentioned megas because that's the obvious big change(and what you had to use to beat deoxys). Tha fanbase made it a bigger thing than it actually was.
>no one would have fricking cared if they just said "mega evolution doesn't exist in RSE because it wasn't a feature yet"
That's what they literally do for pretty much every other thing and would've done so for megas too if they weren't remaking a game and didn't want a conflict in it. Hence the made up "mega sinnoh" or "mega unova" poketubers tried to push is moronic.
Also, you haven't been on /vp/ if you think people would have accepted that explanation because, as you can see in this very thread, people do have moronic nitpicks that go against common sense.
>They didn't introduce the multiverse in ORAS and the reason wasn't to explain the differences, it was to nod to the game they were remaking and to add drama to the plotline.
It literally has no meaning of it isn't literal and means Zinnia ruining Steven's plan had no purpose. The added drama is only there if you assume what Zinnia is saying is true.
>It literally has no meaning of it isn't literal
It is literal anon. There IS a multiverse.
>The added drama is only there if you assume what Zinnia is saying is true.
I never said it isn't. Learn to read.
???
You aren't making sense. Zinnia alluding to an alternate Hoenn IS the introduction to other parallel universes in Pokemon, which was elaborated on in Sun/Moon.
> Zinnia alluding to an alternate Hoenn IS the introduction to other parallel universes in Pokemon
It isn't. The multiverse was introduced in BW.
ORAS is when poketubers told you it happened.
Also, you completely changed the topic, learn to read please.
Explain yourself then.
I already did.
There's three topics here that you're mixing together.
>When the multiverse was introduced
>What the lore implications of Zinnia's quote are
>The metatextual reasoning behind it
>When the multiverse was introduced
In BW's battery cell quest. Of course this refering to the multiverse as a way to explain version differences. Otherwise, it was introduced in gen 4 with the distortion world.
>What the lore implications of Zinnia's quote are
Exactly what she says. There's another world with a Hoenn region that has no mega evolutions.
>The metatextual reasoning behind it
To nod to the games ORAS were a remake of RS(which feature the Hoenn region and don't feature mega evolution) and create a conflict between Zinnia and Cozmo team to add drama to the story.
Whether it explained the lack of mega evolutions in RS is more of a byproduct of that rather than the main point.
>In BW's battery cell quest. Of course this refering to the multiverse as a way to explain version differences. Otherwise, it was introduced in gen 4 with the distortion world.
Every universe has it's own Giratina and distortion world. It itself does not necessitate the multiverse to work.
>There being more than one universe doesn't necesitate the multiverse to work
There's a lot of self-examination the fanbase has to do before even thinking of blaming GF.
It doesn't. Giratina IS the distortion world and vice versa. Cynthia says this. It would propagate even in a setting with one universe.
>"That was... Giratina...! We have to hurry! If something's not done the distortion will swallow not only our world, it will overwhelm the Distortion World..."
Explicitly treats the DW as a different world to the main one.
That doesn't challenge what I said.
This was always a thing, yes it is moronic, since then you can easily murder pokemon if you wanted to
ok smarty pants
then what the frick is a polygon?
It's when you leave your bird cage open and your parrot flies away.